What would it take?

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Worst case scenario: The person who is elected President not only isn't from your party, but is also the worst-case scenario for you, your family, your business, and your community.

Who is the ONE person in the GOP field who would make you leave the country. You're so certain that things will go immediately down hill, that you'd leave your homeland. Who is that terrible candidate?

For me, it's Bachmann. Palin is almost as bad, but Bachmann is actually calculating with her fervor. Palin is just fervor with no intellect to back it up.

Rick Perry is a distant third.

[Boomhauer]

You mean like if Bush.Jr. or little-O, their machines and the Terrorism Industrial Complex got elected?
I wouldn't abandon my counrty, just burn their party and everthing that affiliated with it to the ground.

[alkemical]

I like a good party.

[Tombstone RJ]

Worst case scenario: The person who is elected President not only isn't from your party, but is also the worst-case scenario for you, your family, your business, and your community.

Who is the ONE person in the GOP field who would make you leave the country. You're so certain that things will go immediately down hill, that you'd leave your homeland. Who is that terrible candidate?

For me, it's Bachmann. Palin is almost as bad, but Bachmann is actually calculating with her fervor. Palin is just fervor with no intellect to back it up.

Rick Perry is a distant third.

So if Bachmann gets elected you're outta here? Or, are you gonna pull an Alec Baldwin and just pretend to wanna leave?

[Smiling Assassin27]

Worst case scenario: The person who is elected President not only isn't from your party, but is also the worst-case scenario for you, your family, your business, and your community.

Who is the ONE person in the GOP field who would make you leave the country. You're so certain that things will go immediately down hill, that you'd leave your homeland. Who is that terrible candidate?

For me, it's Bachmann. Palin is almost as bad, but Bachmann is actually calculating with her fervor. Palin is just fervor with no intellect to back it up.

Rick Perry is a distant third.

Please.

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/9/16/128660902449275821.jpg

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Please.

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/9/16/128660902449275821.jpg

I wasn't aware of someone named "Please" in the race.

Can you not answer the question? It's pretty simple, really.

I guess, since you can't answer the question, you'd be just fine with any of these hucksters taking the Oval Office.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

So if Bachmann gets elected you're outta here? Or, are you gonna pull an Alec Baldwin and just pretend to wanna leave?

I have dual citizenship. If Bachmann gets elected, I will seriously look at the possibilities of going elsewhere on the planet. She is THAT BAD for this country.

Odd that you chose Alec Baldwin over, say, Rush Limbaugh, who said he'd leave the country if Obamacare passed. Another lie from Rush???????!?!?!??!?!??!??!?! Unpossible!

[ant1999e]

I wasn't aware of someone named "Please" in the race.

Can you not answer the question? It's pretty simple, really.

I guess, since you can't answer the question, you'd be just fine with any of these hucksters taking the Oval Office.

Can't be much worse than we are now.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Can't be much worse than we are now.

Oh, my.

Yes, actually it can be much worse. Much, much worse.

[ant1999e]

Oh, my.

Yes, actually it can be much worse. Much, much worse.

You're right. He's not done yet.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

You're just not very good at answering a simple question.

So surprising.

[wolverine]

Can't be much worse than we are now.

Really? We could be in recession. The Dow could be below 8000. We could be shipping hundreds of dead American soldiers home in body bags every week.
You know ... like, the last time we had a rightwing Republican in the Oval Office.

[Boomhauer]

Q: Who is the ONE person in the GOP field who would make you leave the country. You're so certain that things will go immediately down hill, that you'd leave your homeland.
A:
http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/9/16/128660902449275821.jpg

Re: Can you not answer the question? It's pretty simple, really.
I guess, since you can't answer the question, you'd be just
fine with any of these hucksters taking the Oval Office.

He did answer the question. You just didn't understand it.

[ant1999e]

Really? We could be in recession. The Dow could be below 8000. We could be shipping hundreds of dead American soldiers home in body bags every week.
You know ... like, the last time we had a rightwing Republican in the Oval Office.

Your first two points are a reach. High unemployment, national debt highest in years, dead economy. Thank god the surge worked.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

He did answer the question. You just didn't understand it.

No, he didn't answer the question. I don't think the "Leave Britney Alone!" guy is running for President either.

Look at that. Stupid defending stupid.

[Rigs11]

Your first two points are a reach. High unemployment, national debt highest in years, dead economy. Thank god the surge worked.

you can have your own opinion not your own facts.We were losing 700,000 jobs a month when your daddy dubya left office. we are now adding jobs. comprende?

[ant1999e]

you can have your own opinion not your own facts.We were losing 700,000 jobs a month when your daddy dubya left office. we are now adding jobs. comprende?

Tú eres delirante. Si comprendo pero el desempleo was 6.8% when Obama took over, rose to 10.1% in Oct. 2009 and now it's over 9% not including those who's benefits ran out or stopped looking for work.

[cutthemdown]

You're just realizing that Obama is a loser and no other dems have the balls to run against him. I mean seriously has he done such a good job not one Democrat thinks he can do better? Pathetic. No way Palin or Bachman end up on the ballot this yr so you don't have to worry about leaving the country. It will probably be Romney who has done enough liberal things for you to love. Sure he wont want to fund abortion or bend to unions as much but he is talking anti war IMO. Also pretty hard for him to rail on health care a whole lot. He will probably just say I have no problem with local govt, states etc deciding the want to do a tax for healthcare, that is up to them, and backtrack on the feds doing it. Just an opinion though.

Seriously though Palin? she isn't running. She will do what is best for the party as long as she gets to make money, which she is. I think Bachman will be done fairly early. There is rumors that Palin quit the bus tour because the RNC talked her out of it.

[cutthemdown]

Really? We could be in recession. The Dow could be below 8000. We could be shipping hundreds of dead American soldiers home in body bags every week.
You know ... like, the last time we had a rightwing Republican in the Oval Office.

The double did could still happen unfortunately. Oh and troops still dying in Afghanistan don't think they aren't. I realize the liberal media stopped reporting on the war as soon as the election ended but its still going on actually.

[Fedaykin]

Tú eres delirante. Si comprendo pero el desempleo was 6.8% when Obama took over, rose to 10.1% in Oct. 2009 and now it's over 9% not including those who's benefits ran out or stopped looking for work.

700,000 jobs a month free fall doesn't stop overnight.

[Rohirrim]

My dream ticket is Bachmann/Palin. We need a catalyst to bring it all down. Another incrementalist just prolongs the disease.

[ant1999e]

700,000 jobs a month free fall doesn't stop overnight.

At some point he must responsible for something.

[Rigs11]

Tú eres delirante. Si comprendo pero el desempleo was 6.8% when Obama took over, rose to 10.1% in Oct. 2009 and now it's over 9% not including those who's benefits ran out or stopped looking for work.

What magic switch was he supposed to pull to magically stop 700000 jobs being lost each month?I'm curious if you have any freaking alternatives that would have instantly fixed the economy.what would McCabe have done?I'm waiting.

[That One Guy]

What magic switch was he supposed to pull to magically stop 700000 jobs being lost each month?I'm curious if you have any freaking alternatives that would have instantly fixed the economy.what would McCabe have done?I'm waiting.

Wasn't that pretty much what we were told the bailouts would do? Be used to stop the job losses and turn everything around?

[ant1999e]

What magic switch was he supposed to pull to magically stop 700000 jobs being lost each month?I'm curious if you have any freaking alternatives that would have instantly fixed the economy.what would McCabe have done?I'm waiting.

Da Nile river.

[tnedator]

Wasn't that pretty much what we were told the bailouts would do? Be used to stop the job losses and turn everything around?

Technically, the bailout or TARP, which started under Bush, was to prevent the complete economic collapse. Prop up the financial institutions. Most of that $700 billion (not all of it was used) has been paid back or is expected to be paid back. Right now, they estimate the most it will cost us is $50-100 billion, and it might be fully repaid or a profit made.

The stimulus, written and passed in a partisan fashion by Pelosi, Reed, President Obama and some outside groups was what he said would ensure that unemployment didn't top 8% and that by now it would be in the ~7% or lower range (I don't remember exactly what he claimed it would be).

That was supposed to be a $750 billion cost, but actually wound up being closer to $900 billion.

In addition, there was the cash for clunkers debacle, and a whole slew of other spending, such as increasing the food stamp roles, large budgetary increases for most federal departments.

It takes a pretty big effort to jump annual deficits up to $1.2 - $1.3 trillion (2-4 times what they were under Bush). In Obama's 2 1/2 years, the national debt increase nearly equals the increase for 8 years under Bush.

National debt increase for Bush's 8 years vs. Obama's just under 2 1/2 years

Bush $4.2 Trillion ($2.3 Trillion Inflation Adjusted)
Obama $4 Trillion (ROUGHLY $3.5 trillion inflation adjusted)

Someone can check my numbers, but I think those are very close to dead on.

[Rigs11]

Da Nile river.
Can you answer the question Nancy?

[ant1999e]

Can you answer the question Nancy?

You want me to answer you stupid ass rhetorical question? Am I ****in psychic? I have no idea what McCain would have done and the fix for the mess we're in is above my pay grade.

[barryr]

Worst case scenario: The person who is elected President not only isn't from your party, but is also the worst-case scenario for you, your family, your business, and your community.

Who is the ONE person in the GOP field who would make you leave the country. You're so certain that things will go immediately down hill, that you'd leave your homeland. Who is that terrible candidate?

For me, it's Bachmann. Palin is almost as bad, but Bachmann is actually calculating with her fervor. Palin is just fervor with no intellect to back it up.

Rick Perry is a distant third.

So you don´t want a woman as president? How shocking from the left.

[ant1999e]

What magic switch was he supposed to pull to magically stop 700000 jobs being lost each month?I'm curious if you have any freaking alternatives that would have instantly fixed the economy.what would McCabe have done?I'm waiting.

Wasn't the stimulus going to fix everything???

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[barryr]

There are no lefties around here who will not vote for Obama in 2012. Their best defense of Obama is always "republicans did it too."

[ant1999e]

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[barryr]

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LOL, look at Biden in the background. He has no clue what Obama is talking about. Um, duh, am I in Long Beach? :giggle:

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Da Nile river.

He asked you a question, dip****. Answer it.

What would McSenile have done?

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

So you don´t want a woman as president? How shocking from the left.

So those two women represent all women?

Good luck with that, shorty.

[Boomhauer]

Wasn't that pretty much what we were told the bailouts would do? Be used to stop the job losses and turn everything around?

Yep. That's the lie little-O's been spinning, even for Stim#2 and QE #1+#2. Here's prediction vs reality for Obamanomics, keeping in mind Stim/QE#2 wasn't planned and unemployement number is best-case(seasonally adjusted and excludes those out of the workforce now)
http://biggovernment.com/files/2011/06/employmentchart.jpg

[ant1999e]

He asked you a question, dip****. Answer it.

What would McSenile have done?

How do I know shythead? I do know throwing government money at the problem didn't work. Why do you guys always want to divert the issue? The real question is what has Obama really done? What difference does it make what mccain would have done. That does.nothing to fix the hole we are in.

[Requiem]

I'd never leave based on who is elected, but if Bachmann somehow, by the grace of Satan got elected, I'd smile because what we all know would come crumbling down. As all "empires" do.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

How do I know shythead? I do know throwing government money at the problem didn't work. Why do you guys always want to divert the issue? The real question is what has Obama really done? What difference does it make what mccain would have done. That does.nothing to fix the hole we are in.

You're just like every other Republican. "His plans aren't working! I have no plan. But his plans aren't working!"

Morons.

[barryr]

So those two women represent all women?

Good luck with that, shorty.

Shorty? Likely taller than you, but only to a true liberal does something dumb like that matter. They represent the only women running and I am willing to bet you dropped Hillary as soon as you could when your hero started making waves in the polls.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Shorty? Likely taller than you, but only to a true liberal does something dumb like that matter. They represent the only women running and I am willing to bet you dropped Hillary as soon as you could when your hero started making waves in the polls.

I was never for Hilary, but it wasn't because of her gender. I didn't want our country to become a monarchy, and with Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton, it seemed to me it was heading that direction.

Shorty can mean a lot of things. I meant it as in "short on intellect," which you clearly are.

Shorty seems like a perfect nickname for you.

[ant1999e]

Shorty? Likely taller than you, but only to a true liberal does something dumb like that matter. They represent the only women running and I am willing to bet you dropped Hillary as soon as you could when your hero started making waves in the polls.

TEKO's 6'3". He's a tall 14 year old.

[ant1999e]

You're just like every other Republican. "His plans aren't working! I have no plan. But his plans aren't working!"

Morons.

He tried his plan and he failed. He said his stimulus was the magic pill, it wasn't. Time for someone else to give it a shot.

Do you admit he failed with the stimulus or are you in denial? How would throwing tax dollars at a troubled economy fix anything? All it did was double the national debt, create some temporary jobs and waste alot of our money. Not to mention putting a moratorium on drilling, how many jobs did that kill? And then to make an already shakey economy worse, threaten to raise taxes. All he has done is created uncertainty and help stall our economy. Who's going to hire anyone in these conditions? Oh, let's create more government jobs. Yeah, that'll work.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

TEKO's 6'3". He's a tall 14 year old.

****, man. I wish I was still 14.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

He tried his plan and he failed. He said his stimulus was the magic pill, it wasn't. Time for someone else to give it a shot.

Do you admit he failed with the stimulus or are you in denial? How would throwing tax dollars at a troubled economy fix anything? All it did was double the national debt, create some temporary jobs and waste alot of our money. Not to mention putting a moratorium on drilling, how many jobs did that kill? And then to make an already shakey economy worse, threaten to raise taxes. All he has done is created uncertainty and help stall our economy. Who's going to hire anyone in these conditions? Oh, let's create more government jobs. Yeah, that'll work.

The stimulus should have been bigger. Period.

Parts of it STILL haven't been enacted.

Things would be worse had we not passed it. Economists roundly agree on that simple fact.

Tell me what part of cutting the deficit helps jobs. That's the Republicans' big plan. "Cut the deficit! Cut programs (which will cut MORE jobs)!" How does that help the economy again?

[ant1999e]

The stimulus should have been bigger. Period.

Parts of it STILL haven't been enacted.

Things would be worse had we not passed it. Economists roundly agree on that simple fact.

Tell me what part of cutting the deficit helps jobs. That's the Republicans' big plan. "Cut the deficit! Cut programs (which will cut MORE jobs)!" How does that help the economy again?

Big picture. We can only go so high before we need to make changes (debt ceiloing)that will affect our economy. We need to pay off the debt with tax dollars. So taxes get raised. And we also need to cut goverment programs and like you said, cuts more jobs. Then, the interst rate rises which makes it harder for businesses to thrive (jobs). And don't forget that it weakens the dollar causing inflation, making goods and services more costly on business (jobs).

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

But taxes WON'T get raised. And in the "negotiation" to raise the debt ceiling, Republicans are refusing ANY tax increases. That's not a negotiation. It's not negotiating in good faith.

Republicans are walking away from negotiations because they're not getting their way, as Democrats are insisting that cuts be met with tax hikes. Let's see... we could either cut necessary programs, thereby cutting the deficit from one direction, or we could take deficit cutting seriously and raise taxes a bit AND cut spending and actually get the deficit taken care of. Hmmmmmmmmm...

Nope. Cantor just walked out of negotiations. Good show, Republicans. You're now playing politics with the country's debt rating.

[ant1999e]

But taxes WON'T get raised. And in the "negotiation" to raise the debt ceiling, Republicans are refusing ANY tax increases. That's not a negotiation. It's not negotiating in good faith.

Republicans are walking away from negotiations because they're not getting their way, as Democrats are insisting that cuts be met with tax hikes. Let's see... we could either cut necessary programs, thereby cutting the deficit from one direction, or we could take deficit cutting seriously and raise taxes a bit AND cut spending and actually get the deficit taken care of. Hmmmmmmmmm...

Nope. Cantor just walked out of negotiations. Good show, Republicans. You're now playing politics with the country's debt rating.

You can't cut the deficit without raising taxes unless you cut alot of gov. programs which will hurt jobs, double edge sword. You just said it.

I think the Republicans need to agree to raise taxes a bit as long as the dems agree on cutting programs in good faith. Everyone's got to give a little. I believe once we get an agreement on tax rates and set a direction for the country to go in businesses will feel better about hiring people. It's the uncertainty that is stalling the recovery.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

You can't cut the deficit without raising taxes unless you cut alot of gov. programs which will hurt jobs, double edge sword. You just said it.

I think the Republicans need to agree to raise taxes a bit as long as the dems agree on cutting programs in good faith. Everyone's got to give a little. I believe once we get an agreement on tax rates and set a direction for the country to go in businesses will feel better about hiring people. It's the uncertainty that is stalling the recovery.

I agree with you. Holy ****, that's weird to say.

The problem is, in a negotiation, both sides need to give a little. The Republicans would rather walk away from negotiating than raise taxes a little. The cuts are agreed to in principle PROVIDED TAXES ARE RAISED. Republicans won't do it.

That. Is. Absurd. I honestly don't know how you defend this policy.

[ant1999e]

I agree with you. Holy ****, that's weird to say.

The problem is, in a negotiation, both sides need to give a little. The Republicans would rather walk away from negotiating than raise taxes a little. The cuts are agreed to in principle PROVIDED TAXES ARE RAISED. Republicans won't do it.

That. Is. Absurd. I honestly don't know how you defend this policy.

FWIW

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Obama-invites-top-senators-for-debt-talks-1438384.php

... The decision by House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., and Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., to quit deficit-reduction talks as a critical deadline approaches set the stage for Obama to step in.

It had long been assumed that the Biden group would clear the way for more decisive talks personally involving Obama and Boehner. As a result, Cantor's move was interpreted as trying to jump-start the talks rather than blow them up — a view shared by Cantor himself.

"The purpose here is to alter the dynamic," Cantor said.

In fact, Cantor's withdrawal came after Boehner had already made a trek to the White House — in a secret meeting Wednesday night that followed up on a golf outing with Obama over the weekend. For his part, Cantor didn't inform Boehner of his decision to leave the talks until Thursday, shortly before the news broke. ...

The White House sought to put a positive spin on developments.

"As all of us at the table said at the outset, the goal of these talks was to report our findings back to our respective leaders," Biden said in a statement. "The next phase is in the hands of those leaders, who need to determine the scope of an agreement that can tackle the problem and attract bipartisan support."



Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Obama-invites-top-senators-for-debt-talks-1438384.php#ixzz1QDQHUwlS

[BroncsRule]

re: the OP: It frankly doesn't matter who the President is.

Ronald Reagan taught me that.

[alkemical]

re: the OP: It frankly doesn't matter who the President is.

Ronald Reagan taught me that.

I've had the same president since i've been alive.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

FWIW

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Obama-invites-top-senators-for-debt-talks-1438384.php

... The decision by House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., and Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., to quit deficit-reduction talks as a critical deadline approaches set the stage for Obama to step in.

It had long been assumed that the Biden group would clear the way for more decisive talks personally involving Obama and Boehner. As a result, Cantor's move was interpreted as trying to jump-start the talks rather than blow them up — a view shared by Cantor himself.

"The purpose here is to alter the dynamic," Cantor said.

In fact, Cantor's withdrawal came after Boehner had already made a trek to the White House — in a secret meeting Wednesday night that followed up on a golf outing with Obama over the weekend. For his part, Cantor didn't inform Boehner of his decision to leave the talks until Thursday, shortly before the news broke. ...

The White House sought to put a positive spin on developments.

"As all of us at the table said at the outset, the goal of these talks was to report our findings back to our respective leaders," Biden said in a statement. "The next phase is in the hands of those leaders, who need to determine the scope of an agreement that can tackle the problem and attract bipartisan support."



Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Obama-invites-top-senators-for-debt-talks-1438384.php#ixzz1QDQHUwlS

It's worth a lot. Thanks for posting that.

Thing is, what Cantor is saying is completely counter to that "we're just getting it to a point where the big wigs can come in and hammer out the details." Cantor was interviewed yesterday, and he said he was walking away because tax hikes "needed to be completely off the table" for the Republicans to agree to a deal. That ****ing sucks, man.

If both sides have to give a little, and only one side gives... where are we left? When we hit the debt ceiling, where are we left? When we default to creditors, when our credit rating in the world slips, where are we left?

Pretty easy to walk away from negotiations, then blame Obama and the Dems for not getting a deal done. Pretty easy, and pretty childish.

[ant1999e]

It's worth a lot. Thanks for posting that.

Thing is, what Cantor is saying is completely counter to that "we're just getting it to a point where the big wigs can come in and hammer out the details." Cantor was interviewed yesterday, and he said he was walking away because tax hikes "needed to be completely off the table" for the Republicans to agree to a deal. That ****ing sucks, man.

If both sides have to give a little, and only one side gives... where are we left? When we hit the debt ceiling, where are we left? When we default to creditors, when our credit rating in the world slips, where are we left?

Pretty easy to walk away from negotiations, then blame Obama and the Dems for not getting a deal done. Pretty easy, and pretty childish.

They will reach an agreement. The debt ceiling will be raised, we have no choice. Just like the threat of the government shutdown, this is a political game. Politicians all suck.

[Tombstone RJ]

I have dual citizenship. If Bachmann gets elected, I will seriously look at the possibilities of going elsewhere on the planet. She is THAT BAD for this country.

Odd that you chose Alec Baldwin over, say, Rush Limbaugh, who said he'd leave the country if Obamacare passed. Another lie from Rush???????!?!?!??!?!??!??!?! Unpossible!

I didn't know about the Rush thing, I just remember the Baldwin statement, he wasn't the only celeb to claim they'd leave if Bush was elected.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Technically, the bailout or TARP, which started under Bush, was to prevent the complete economic collapse. Prop up the financial institutions. Most of that $700 billion (not all of it was used) has been paid back or is expected to be paid back. Right now, they estimate the most it will cost us is $50-100 billion, and it might be fully repaid or a profit made.

The stimulus, written and passed in a partisan fashion by Pelosi, Reed, President Obama and some outside groups was what he said would ensure that unemployment didn't top 8% and that by now it would be in the ~7% or lower range (I don't remember exactly what he claimed it would be).

That was supposed to be a $750 billion cost, but actually wound up being closer to $900 billion.

In addition, there was the cash for clunkers debacle, and a whole slew of other spending, such as increasing the food stamp roles, large budgetary increases for most federal departments.

It takes a pretty big effort to jump annual deficits up to $1.2 - $1.3 trillion (2-4 times what they were under Bush). In Obama's 2 1/2 years, the national debt increase nearly equals the increase for 8 years under Bush.

National debt increase for Bush's 8 years vs. Obama's just under 2 1/2 years

Bush $4.2 Trillion ($2.3 Trillion Inflation Adjusted)
Obama $4 Trillion (ROUGHLY $3.5 trillion inflation adjusted)

Someone can check my numbers, but I think those are very close to dead on.

I'm not defending Obama here. I am being critical of Bush. You paint a much rosier picture than what actually happened. You leave out a very important point which is before Obama was even inaugurated the deficit was on pace for 1.2 trillion.

See the link here: http://budget.senate.gov/republican/pressarchive/2009/2009-01-07CBOOutlook.pdf and note that this report came out on January 7, 2009, several weeks BEFORE Obama was inaugurated.

If you want to see the actual CBO report it's here: http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9957/01-07-Outlook.pdf

Bush was a disaster and Obama is a disaster.

For christ sake, Obama actually thinks we can turn the economy around by investing more in college education?? WTF? That would take years to have any impact if it ever does...