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Doggcow
06-21-2011, 05:59 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6687485

Details of a proposed collective bargaining agreement being pitched to NFL owners Tuesday, according to sources:

• Players get 48 percent of "all revenue."

• Players' share will never dip below 46.5 percent, under new formula being negotiated.

• Teams required to spend close to 100 percent of the salary cap.

• Rookie wage scale part of deal but still being "tweaked."

• Four years needed for unrestricted free-agent status. Certain tags will be retained, but still being discussed.

• 18-game regular season designated only as negotiable item and at no point is mandated in deal.

• New 16-game Thursday night TV package beginning in 2012.

• Owners still will get some expense credits that will allow funding for new stadiums.

• Retirees to benefit from improved health care, pension benefits as revenue projected to double to $18 million by 2016.

-- ESPN's Chris Mortensen, John Clayton and Adam Schefter

Archer81
06-21-2011, 06:01 PM
This magic moment...


:Broncos:

Doggcow
06-21-2011, 06:03 PM
How perfect is it that we get a rookie scale, when we get what would have been our most expensive pick ever?

Archer81
06-21-2011, 06:07 PM
How perfect is it that we get a rookie scale, when we get what would have been our most expensive pick ever?


Its extremely lucky, at the very least.

May the new CBA come to pass, and this offseason of goofitude ends.

Ramen.


:Broncos:

FireFly
06-21-2011, 06:20 PM
Looks like this is going to happen.

I'm glad that they haven't completely scrapped the 18 game season and I actually like the idea of Thursday night games!

cutthemdown
06-21-2011, 06:20 PM
Von Miller will still be rich though he need not worry. I can't wait to see what DT the Broncos add to the team. They will have to move fast IMO because there are only a few who can probably help them a lot. Orton the wildcard because if Broncos move him they could have a few extra picks to use in the upcoming yrs. They may not want a big investment FA who knows. They may be patient now! Still I just can't help but to feel optimistic. Elway has always managed to do well in his life. Why doubt him now?

KipCorrington25
06-21-2011, 06:22 PM
And in related news Bills and Bengals cock up deal for all...

OBF1
06-21-2011, 06:23 PM
Yahtzee

THE719!
06-21-2011, 06:28 PM
People are sheep, and if they agree on this everybody will be back on the wagon, I will be guilty of it too. I still think they are greedy little b****es, and I won’t be spending much on the NFL anymore with tickets, bronco stuff and etc. also can we all agree that the NFL does not care for the fans? I mean when was the last time you heard a story about a player helping out a community or donating money to a charity. NFL you lost a lot of me but I will still watch.

eddie mac
06-21-2011, 06:29 PM
The 4 year UFA deal opens up a few more avenues at DT including Mebane and Cofield. It also means Marcus Thomas' tender is not worth the paper it was printed on.

I think we need to land one of the top guys on the market.

Archer81
06-21-2011, 06:34 PM
People are sheep, and if they agree on this everybody will be back on the wagon, I will be guilty of it too. I still think they are greedy little b****es, and I won’t be spending much on the NFL anymore with tickets, bronco stuff and etc. also can we all agree that the NFL does not care for the fans? I mean when was the last time you heard a story about a player helping out a community or donating money to a charity. NFL you lost a lot of me but I will still watch.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>


Not sure if serious...


:Broncos:

THE719!
06-21-2011, 06:39 PM
Not sure if serious...


:Broncos:

I am serious when was the last time.... I cant think of one

gunns
06-21-2011, 06:39 PM
This magic moment...


:Broncos:

And then it happened
It took me by surprise
I knew that you felt it too
By the look in your eyes

Everybody sing!

RhymesayersDU
06-21-2011, 06:42 PM
I am serious when was the last time.... I cant think of one

Selective memory is fun!

THE719!
06-21-2011, 06:44 PM
Selective memory is fun!

post me a story when an NFL player did something for the community recently

StugotsIII
06-21-2011, 06:45 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6687485

Details of a proposed collective bargaining agreement being pitched to NFL owners Tuesday, according to sources:

• Players get 48 percent of "all revenue."

• Players' share will never dip below 46.5 percent, under new formula being negotiated.

• Teams required to spend close to 100 percent of the salary cap.

• Rookie wage scale part of deal but still being "tweaked."

• Four years needed for unrestricted free-agent status. Certain tags will be retained, but still being discussed.

• 18-game regular season designated only as negotiable item and at no point is mandated in deal.

• New 16-game Thursday night TV package beginning in 2012.

• Owners still will get some expense credits that will allow funding for new stadiums.

• Retirees to benefit from improved health care, pension benefits as revenue projected to double to $18 million by 2016.

-- ESPN's Chris Mortensen, John Clayton and Adam Schefter

I haven't had this big of a stiffy since this:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=91543

StugotsIII
06-21-2011, 06:47 PM
I am serious when was the last time.... I cant think of one

TIM ****ING TEBOW


And every single united way commercial ever.


And every single "make a wish" segment on ESPN ever.

StugotsIII
06-21-2011, 06:49 PM
post me a story when an NFL player did something for the community recently

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/magazine/sportsman/11/30/sportsman/index.html

http://jacksonville.com/sports/college/florida-gators/2011-05-06/story/tim-tebow-s-charity-golf-event-attracts-gators

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d820431a0/article/dolphins-players-coaches-avoid-football-talk-at-charity-event


Google....it makes retards like you look retarded.

razorwire77
06-21-2011, 06:57 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6687485

Details of a proposed collective bargaining agreement being pitched to NFL owners Tuesday, according to sources:

• Players get 48 percent of "all revenue."

• Players' share will never dip below 46.5 percent, under new formula being negotiated.

• Teams required to spend close to 100 percent of the salary cap.

• Rookie wage scale part of deal but still being "tweaked."

• Four years needed for unrestricted free-agent status. Certain tags will be retained, but still being discussed.

• 18-game regular season designated only as negotiable item and at no point is mandated in deal.

• New 16-game Thursday night TV package beginning in 2012.

• Owners still will get some expense credits that will allow funding for new stadiums.

• Retirees to benefit from improved health care, pension benefits as revenue projected to double to $18 million by 2016.

-- ESPN's Chris Mortensen, John Clayton and Adam Schefter

Whoo! Football! Crazy thing is it seems to be a reasonable compromise for both sides.

THE719!
06-21-2011, 07:07 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/magazine/sportsman/11/30/sportsman/index.html

http://jacksonville.com/sports/college/florida-gators/2011-05-06/story/tim-tebow-s-charity-golf-event-attracts-gators

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d820431a0/article/dolphins-players-coaches-avoid-football-talk-at-charity-event


Google....it makes retards like you look retarded.

I stand corrected on the last article, everyone knows that Drew Breese and Tim Tebow do their share, but that’s not my point. I should have typed it different; do any of you think half of the NFL players care for its fans? I sure don’t, and I could care less about them. Did you know the players that lose in the super bowl, the game they all say they play for. They get something like 15 thousand out of the deal. yeah I feel so sorry for them, and when people lose their job they don’t get jack.

oubronco
06-21-2011, 07:09 PM
I'ma so happy

brncs_fan
06-21-2011, 07:10 PM
I stand corrected on the last article, everyone knows that Drew Breese and Tim Tebow do their share, but that’s not my point. I should have typed it different; do any of you think half of the NFL players care for its fans? I sure don’t, and I could care less about them. Did you know the players that lose in the super bowl, the game they all say they play for. They get something like 15 thousand out of the deal. yeah I feel so sorry for them, and when people lose their job they don’t get jack.

Why do you even watch then?

StugotsIII
06-21-2011, 07:10 PM
I stand corrected on the last article, everyone knows that Drew Breese and Tim Tebow do their share, but that’s not my point. I should have typed it different; do any of you think half of the NFL players care for its fans? I sure don’t, and I could care less about them. Did you know the players that lose in the super bowl, the game they all say they play for. They get something like 15 thousand out of the deal. yeah I feel so sorry for them, and when people lose their job they don’t get jack.


What is your point?

FireFly
06-21-2011, 07:15 PM
I've heard a lot of people saying that they were going to switch to college ball, or stop spending money on the NFL and stuff like that, if they get the deal in place and we have a full preseason then I'll support the NFL just as passionately as before.

If they deal gets done, what have fans missed out on? Nothing of note imo. We had the draft, we'd have a full preseason and a full 16 game season after that. The players missed some workouts, but we'll possibly (depending on who you ask) see less injuries through the season. The teams will still have time to gel and play to a high standard.

If the deal gets done, I'm right back on the NFL bandwagon (...not that I ever got off it really)

THE719!
06-21-2011, 07:24 PM
What is your point?

My point is, these people are fighting over millions, and now they are finally done being bitches. They are now in mid June, when the players know their last check is coming; they are now going to get a deal done. An everybody, you and me will run back to them like sheep, put the stupid jersey on and retarded face paint, and act like were part of the team but we really aren’t. We will pay a nice fee for tickets, parking and etc, and after the game win or lose. Everybody will realize that they don’t have enough money to put food on the table, when these people are making millions catching a ball. However we will keep doing it again and again, because we are sheep.

THE719!
06-21-2011, 07:25 PM
Why do you even watch then?

why do you watch

RhymesayersDU
06-21-2011, 07:29 PM
I never understood how people could watch a sport where they hate the players and owners. Unless people are just venting.

Truthfully, I don't understand why people are so upset over the lockout. Everybody on this planet tries to get the most compensation for their skill set. People ask for raises all the time. Is this on a much grander scale? Yeah, of course it is. But if any one of us played at the NFL level, we'd want every last dollar too.

And if anybody tries to spout that "I'd play for free" garbage, please just save it.

DarkHorse
06-21-2011, 07:33 PM
I stand corrected on the last article, everyone knows that Drew Breese and Tim Tebow do their share, but that’s not my point. I should have typed it different; do any of you think half of the NFL players care for its fans? I sure don’t, and I could care less about them. Did you know the players that lose in the super bowl, the game they all say they play for. They get something like 15 thousand out of the deal. yeah I feel so sorry for them, and when people lose their job they don’t get jack.

Ummm - our ROOKIE safety already has his own charity, and has had it thru out most of his college career. I'm not even going to waste the time linking articles of players helping the community, a simple search on google will shut you up.


Wasn't there a player who DROVE his personal vehicle with a bunch of food and necessities to NO during the Katrina disaster? I believe he also bought truckloads of supplies to help out.

Jetmeck
06-21-2011, 07:34 PM
Bring it on and get us a stud DL. Not the usable, washed up or just servicable and half ass healthy guy either, ok......................John Elway

DarkHorse
06-21-2011, 07:36 PM
My point is, these people are fighting over millions, and now they are finally done being b****es. They are now in mid June, when the players know their last check is coming; they are now going to get a deal done. An everybody, you and me will run back to them like sheep, put the stupid jersey on and retarded face paint, and act like were part of the team but we really aren’t. We will pay a nice fee for tickets, parking and etc, and after the game win or lose. Everybody will realize that they don’t have enough money to put food on the table, when these people are making millions catching a ball. However we will keep doing it again and again, because we are sheep.

But......you have a choice. You choose to be a 'sheep' - so according to your view you're not only a sheep but you're a dumbass sheep.

StugotsIII
06-21-2011, 07:42 PM
My point is, these people are fighting over millions, and now they are finally done being b****es. They are now in mid June, when the players know their last check is coming; they are now going to get a deal done. An everybody, you and me will run back to them like sheep, put the stupid jersey on and retarded face paint, and act like were part of the team but we really aren’t. We will pay a nice fee for tickets, parking and etc, and after the game win or lose. Everybody will realize that they don’t have enough money to put food on the table, when these people are making millions catching a ball. However we will keep doing it again and again, because we are sheep.

It's business.


Get over yourself.

lostknight
06-21-2011, 07:47 PM
The 4 year UFA deal opens up a few more avenues at DT including Mebane and Cofield. It also means Marcus Thomas' tender is not worth the paper it was printed on.

I think we need to land one of the top guys on the market.

Agreed on the need to add some free agent d-line help. I also think we need to find a good RB canidate as well, perhaps as a UDFA.

THE719!
06-21-2011, 07:51 PM
But......you have a choice. You choose to be a 'sheep' - so according to your view you're not only a sheep but you're a dumbass sheep.

im only sheep because I have always been a broncos fan and of course i am going to watch the game on T.V but all the other garbage I wont be doing

OBF1
06-21-2011, 08:04 PM
I am not a sheep floosie... I only like the cute sheep

schaaf
06-21-2011, 08:09 PM
I like my sheep sheared

NFLBRONCO
06-21-2011, 08:26 PM
Happy about the nearing deal

2012 not thrilled about weekly monday and thursday night games waters down sunday ticket even more.

RhymesayersDU
06-21-2011, 08:40 PM
im only sheep because I have always been a broncos fan and of course i am going to watch the game on T.V but all the other garbage I wont be doing

So you're going to feed into the #1 beast (TV revenue) that started this whole thing? Sounds about right.

Doggcow
06-21-2011, 08:42 PM
Happy about the nearing deal

2012 not thrilled about weekly monday and thursday night games waters down sunday ticket even more.

That's good. I don't pay for Sunday ticket!

Mogulseeker
06-21-2011, 09:12 PM
People are sheep, and if they agree on this everybody will be back on the wagon, I will be guilty of it too. I still think they are greedy little b****es, and I won’t be spending much on the NFL anymore with tickets, bronco stuff and etc. also can we all agree that the NFL does not care for the fans? I mean when was the last time you heard a story about a player helping out a community or donating money to a charity. NFL you lost a lot of me but I will still watch.

It's capitalism, dude. The NFL will charge what they can get for tickets...

You go off about people being sheep and then say you will be "still watching the game" ... you realize the sole purpose of the NFL's (indeed all sports) existence is ad revenue?

Mogulseeker
06-21-2011, 09:14 PM
So you're going to feed into the #1 beast (TV revenue) that started this whole thing? Sounds about right.

Oh... beat me to it, haha.

Mogulseeker
06-21-2011, 09:14 PM
It's business.


Get over yourself.

This.

eddie mac
06-22-2011, 06:06 AM
Happy about the nearing deal

2012 not thrilled about weekly monday and thursday night games waters down sunday ticket even more.

Are you serious??? 3 days/nights of football, 4 later in the season.

TheReverend
06-22-2011, 06:18 AM
First I

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/279/a0gl1l.jpg

Then I

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j104/gregsteez/Boner.gif

And then

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/neelb24/Fapping.gif

And some of

http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx147/R4_Theory/wat.gif

And finally I

http://i31.tinypic.com/emv87.jpg

Beantown Bronco
06-22-2011, 06:30 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6687485

Details of a proposed collective bargaining agreement being pitched to NFL owners Tuesday, according to sources:

• Players get 48 percent of "all revenue."

• Players' share will never dip below 46.5 percent, under new formula being negotiated.

• Teams required to spend close to 100 percent of the salary cap.

• Rookie wage scale part of deal but still being "tweaked."

• Four years needed for unrestricted free-agent status. Certain tags will be retained, but still being discussed.

• 18-game regular season designated only as negotiable item and at no point is mandated in deal.

• New 16-game Thursday night TV package beginning in 2012.

• Owners still will get some expense credits that will allow funding for new stadiums.

• Retirees to benefit from improved health care, pension benefits as revenue projected to double to $18 million by 2016.

-- ESPN's Chris Mortensen, John Clayton and Adam Schefter

I'm not sure why this is some breakthough. The deal the players rejected right before the draft had more detail than this made public, was arguably better for the players, and was supposedly agreed to by all the owners.

This one hadn't even been pitched to all the owners at the point it was written, yet we're already declaring "mission accomplished."

bronco militia
06-22-2011, 06:48 AM
has anyone heard if the players like this deal?

Man-Goblin
06-22-2011, 07:19 AM
First I

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/279/a0gl1l.jpg

Then I

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j104/gregsteez/Boner.gif

And then

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/neelb24/Fapping.gif

And some of

http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx147/R4_Theory/wat.gif

And finally I

http://i31.tinypic.com/emv87.jpg

And I thought I was the only one that fapped to proposed labor agreements.

I also find PBS pledge drives incredibly sexy.

Crushaholic
06-22-2011, 07:30 AM
I'm not sure that I like the stipulation that the teams HAVE to spend close to 100% of the salary cap. A little flexibility is good. Am I looking at this wrong, salary cap gurus?

Garcia Bronco
06-22-2011, 08:20 AM
Gosh...I just don't care. Play...don't play....none of these bitches will ever be as good as the guys that played a long time ago.

eddie mac
06-22-2011, 08:35 AM
I'm not sure that I like the stipulation that the teams HAVE to spend close to 100% of the salary cap. A little flexibility is good. Am I looking at this wrong, salary cap gurus?


It doesn't matter, 2011 in the NFL's eyes will be treated as a cash and not cap year, so if it's $120m it has to be $120m in cash payments to players this year.

vancejohnson82
06-22-2011, 08:43 AM
My point is, these people are fighting over millions, and now they are finally done being b****es. They are now in mid June, when the players know their last check is coming; they are now going to get a deal done. An everybody, you and me will run back to them like sheep, put the stupid jersey on and retarded face paint, and act like were part of the team but we really aren’t. We will pay a nice fee for tickets, parking and etc, and after the game win or lose. Everybody will realize that they don’t have enough money to put food on the table, when these people are making millions catching a ball. However we will keep doing it again and again, because we are sheep.

wow....if you are going to football games and then can't put "food on the table" for you family then maybe its time for a reality check and a resetting of the priorities

NFLBRONCO
06-22-2011, 08:54 AM
Are you serious??? 3 days/nights of football, 4 later in the season.

I guess you missed my point I'll try to do better this time. I was talking about sunday ticket part. Having games on monday and thursday great. Here is why I think 2012 could water down sunday tickets value.

Example here

Say thursday night game is colts/pats and monday night game is pack/atlanta

So you'd gladly pay sunday ticket watching Carolina vs Buff or Raiders vs KC type games each week and you don't think it waters down value a bit? You know thurs night will try and grab the best game each week.

bronco militia
06-22-2011, 08:55 AM
I guess you missed my point I'll try to do better this time. I was talking about sunday ticket part. Having games on monday and thursday great. Here is why I think 2012 could water down sunday tickets value.

Example here

Say thursday night game is colts/pats and monday night game is pack/atlanta

So you'd gladly pay sunday ticket watching Carolina vs Buff or Raiders vs KC type games each week and you don't think it waters down value a bit? You know thurs night will try and grab the best game each week.

just get the redzone channel.....

Drunk Monkey
06-22-2011, 08:55 AM
Happy about the nearing deal

2012 not thrilled about weekly monday and thursday night games waters down sunday ticket even more.

Really??? I see Sunday Ticket as evil. If it wasn't there I may actually be given the chance to see an occasional game on something besides my computer. I would pay $20 on pay per view in a heartbeat to watch a game. Hopefully this leads to many people jumping off the Sunday Ticket band waggon and the eventual demise of DTV. **** them **** them in their goat ass.

ozomulsion
06-22-2011, 10:21 AM
People are sheep, and if they agree on this everybody will be back on the wagon, I will be guilty of it too. I still think they are greedy little b****es, and I won’t be spending much on the NFL anymore with tickets, bronco stuff and etc. also can we all agree that the NFL does not care for the fans? I mean when was the last time you heard a story about a player helping out a community or donating money to a charity. NFL you lost a lot of me but I will still watch.


Yesterday.

When Braylon Edwards played in Cleveland, he promised 100
Jr High kids a full ride through college if they finished with
a 2.5 GPA, and did 15 hours of community service annually
throughout high school.

Those kids graduated this year. I saw an interview with
one of them who was accepted by Harvard. He said Braylon
(who was also part of the interview)is going through with his
side for every kid who held up their end of the bargain.

He is also sending a number of kids from his home town of
Detroit through college as well.

I don't disagree with you as a whole, but there are still many
players out there doing great things.

bronco militia
06-22-2011, 10:24 AM
i googled it for you

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=nfl+players+help+tornado+victims&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=5a678f6409ce1751&biw=1415&bih=685

Drunk Monkey
06-22-2011, 11:20 AM
People are sheep, and if they agree on this everybody will be back on the wagon, I will be guilty of it too. I still think they are greedy little b****es, and I won’t be spending much on the NFL anymore with tickets, bronco stuff and etc. also can we all agree that the NFL does not care for the fans? I mean when was the last time you heard a story about a player helping out a community or donating money to a charity. NFL you lost a lot of me but I will still watch.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43402296/ns/local_news-cincinnati_oh/t/former-nfl-player-tackles-lakota-busing-problem/

Former NFL Player Tackles Lakota Busing Problem

School District To Cut Service Next Year For Thousands

WEST CHESTER, Ohio — WLWT.com

In his day, Troy Evans made many plays on the Lakota High School football field, but now he's gotten the ball rolling on an even bigger challenge there.

The 33-year-old linebacker won a Super Bowl championship in 2009 with the New Orleans Saints, and he hopes to use his skills to tackle the school district's busing problem.

"My nieces and nephews who I love to death are affected," Evans said. "They will have no busing for any of them."

About 9,000 students will lose school bus service next year as part of budget cuts, and that got Evans to thinking.

BroncoMan4ever
06-22-2011, 01:39 PM
i am not a fan of the proposed 16 game Thursday night games. i would much rather that wait until Thanksgiving and then the weeks after for the remaining big games. it is watering down the product.

gunns
06-22-2011, 06:28 PM
Gosh...I just don't care. Play...don't play....none of these b****es will ever be as good as the guys that played a long time ago.

This^! Absolutely, rep!

StugotsIII
06-22-2011, 08:03 PM
My point is, these people are fighting over millions, and now they are finally done being b****es. They are now in mid June, when the players know their last check is coming; they are now going to get a deal done. An everybody, you and me will run back to them like sheep, put the stupid jersey on and retarded face paint, and act like were part of the team but we really aren’t. We will pay a nice fee for tickets, parking and etc, and after the game win or lose. Everybody will realize that they don’t have enough money to put food on the table, when these people are making millions catching a ball. However we will keep doing it again and again, because we are sheep.

PS….Why aren't you bitching about the owners?


They are the ones that locked out the players.

THE719!
06-22-2011, 09:19 PM
PS….Why aren't you b****ing about the owners?


They are the ones that locked out the players.

the oweners get their fair share of the blame to just the problem is I dont know what they do all day with our money that they have

ICON
06-22-2011, 09:29 PM
Does this mean football is back yes or no?

BroncoMan4ever
06-22-2011, 09:29 PM
Gosh...I just don't care. Play...don't play....none of these b****es will ever be as good as the guys that played a long time ago.

not even players from a long time ago. these players aren't even as good as the players who played a decade ago.

if you put average players from the 90s in today's pussified NFL they would be considered elite. the elite players of this era of the NFL have nothing on elite players from the past.

enjolras
06-22-2011, 09:49 PM
Does this mean football is back yes or no?

Right now you'd put the season starting on something resembling on time at about 90%. However, with the egos involved you really never know.

TheReverend
06-22-2011, 09:52 PM
not even players from a long time ago. these players aren't even as good as the players who played a decade ago.

if you put average players from the 90s in today's pussified NFL they would be considered elite. the elite players of this era of the NFL have nothing on elite players from the past.

http://menversus.com/images/bertstare.jpg

SouthStndJunkie
06-22-2011, 09:56 PM
http://menversus.com/images/bertstare.jpg

Joe Flacco?

TheReverend
06-22-2011, 09:57 PM
Joe Flacco?

No one's considering him close to elite, and let's be real, he probably would've smashed the 1980s NFL

SouthStndJunkie
06-22-2011, 09:59 PM
No one's considering him close to elite, and let's be real, he probably would've smashed the 1980s NFL

I was trying to make a joke that Bert from Sesame Street looks a lot like Joe Flacco with the unibrow.

TheReverend
06-22-2011, 10:03 PM
I was trying to make a joke that Bert from Sesame Street looks a lot like Joe Flacco with the unibrow.

I'm skeptical that anyone is going to get that joke but I love you anyway.

DBroncos4life
06-22-2011, 10:13 PM
the oweners get their fair share of the blame to just the problem is I dont know what they do all day with our money that they have

It's not your money after you spend it on something that they are selling.

SouthStndJunkie
06-22-2011, 10:18 PM
I'm skeptical that anyone is going to get that joke but I love you anyway.

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RhymesayersDU
06-22-2011, 10:25 PM
not even players from a long time ago. these players aren't even as good as the players who played a decade ago.

if you put average players from the 90s in today's pussified NFL they would be considered elite. the elite players of this era of the NFL have nothing on elite players from the past.

I'm unsure why people keep making statements like this. Am I missing some kind of "foneco" inside joke?

It's not that I can't appreciate history; far from it. And there are transcendent players from the past who could play today. But the fact is, every year the league gets bigger/stronger/faster and more complex on top of it.

Today's NFL players > Last decade's NFL players > The decade before that > etc.

And save the rule change B.S.

RhymesayersDU
06-22-2011, 10:25 PM
the oweners get their fair share of the blame to just the problem is I dont know what they do all day with our money that they have

I wonder if your boss will ask you this next time you ask for a raise?

alkemical
06-23-2011, 05:55 AM
I wonder if your boss will ask you this next time you ask for a raise?

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StugotsIII
06-23-2011, 08:45 AM
the oweners get their fair share of the blame to just the problem is I dont know what they do all day with our money that they have

It's none of your business what they do with their money.


The minute you fork over your money to them it isn't your money anymore.

Garcia Bronco
06-23-2011, 09:25 AM
I'm unsure why people keep making statements like this. Am I missing some kind of "foneco" inside joke?

It's not that I can't appreciate history; far from it. And there are transcendent players from the past who could play today. But the fact is, every year the league gets bigger/stronger/faster and more complex on top of it.

Today's NFL players > Last decade's NFL players > The decade before that > etc.

And save the rule change B.S.

Sure...guys today are bigger than 30 years ago(They aren't particularly faster), but that doesn't make them better performers on game day. And yes...rule changes technically matter. What I was getting at though...is no receiver will be better to me than Jerry Rice or Rod Smith. No QB will be better than John Elway and so on.

TheReverend
06-23-2011, 09:34 AM
Sure...guys today are bigger than 30 years ago(They aren't particularly faster), but that doesn't make them better performers on game day. And yes...rule changes technically matter. What I was getting at though...is no receiver will be better to me than Jerry Rice or Rod Smith. No QB will be better than John Elway and so on.

Respectively for their eras, I fully agree with you.

Unfortunately, I have to admit that a great player of 30 years ago would probably get beaten like a drum when stacked against modern players. The bar has been raised by so much. Conditioning, strength, speed, preparation, intelligence (the football variety) are all at new levels and get pressed further every year.

bronco militia
06-23-2011, 09:37 AM
Sure...guys today are bigger than 30 years ago(They aren't particularly faster), but that doesn't make them better performers on game day. And yes...rule changes technically matter. What I was getting at though...is no receiver will be better to me than Jerry Rice or Rod Smith. No QB will be better than John Elway and so on.

yeah, I agree.....there seems to be a smaller group of players that were as driven as the players were from the 80's and 90's

Garcia Bronco
06-23-2011, 09:50 AM
Respectively for their eras, I fully agree with you.

Unfortunately, I have to admit that a great player of 30 years ago would probably get beaten like a drum when stacked against modern players. The bar has been raised by so much. Conditioning, strength, speed, preparation, intelligence (the football variety) are all at new levels and get pressed further every year.

Some percentage would...others wouldn't. I think Randy Cross, Grogan, Zimmerman, Jacob, Manley, LT, Art Monk, Kragen, Mecklenburg, Gradishar, Mark Bravro, John Elway, Joe Montana, Jim Pluckett, Mean Joe, Franco Harris, Bubba Smith and so on could hang today and beat the snot out of most of them.

TheReverend
06-23-2011, 09:57 AM
Some percentage would...others wouldn't. I think Randy Cross, Grogan, Zimmerman, Jacob, Manley, LT, Art Monk, Kragen, Mecklenburg, Gradishar, Mark Bravro, John Elway, Joe Montana, Jim Pluckett and so on could hang today and beat the snot out of most of them.

This I can agree with... but you'd have to assemble of a team of those HoF'ers in their prime to compete with a modern day team. I know this isn't popular because the past is always sentimental (especially when it was ripe with more competitive Bronco teams and players)

All those guys have outstanding credentials and ridiculous toughness, but can you say they stack up against modern counter parts?

Bavaro... well honestly I don't think he'd even be a starter.

LT changed the position... but it's since been perfected and could he hang with guys that are bigger, faster, and actually have work ethic like Demarcus Ware?

Hell even Zimm is one of the best LT's EVER... but would he even compare favorably to a Jake Long today?

etc etc etc

RhymesayersDU
06-23-2011, 10:04 AM
All those guys have outstanding credentials and ridiculous toughness, but can you say they stack up against modern counter parts?

This would be my question. The prior eras are romanticized, fans love Jack Youngblood playing with a broken leg (that was him... right?) and whatnot. And don't get me wrong, no matter what era, that is tough.

But fond memories aside, many of these players would get their asses handed to them today. Bigger/stronger/faster/smarter.

55CrushEm
06-23-2011, 10:18 AM
I like my sheep sheared

Yeah.....sheep and beaver are best sheared.

Man-Goblin
06-23-2011, 10:22 AM
Some percentage would...others wouldn't. I think Randy Cross, Grogan, Zimmerman, Jacob, Manley, LT, Art Monk, Kragen, Mecklenburg, Gradishar, Mark Bravro, John Elway, Joe Montana, Jim Pluckett, Mean Joe, Franco Harris, Bubba Smith and so on could hang today and beat the snot out of most of them.

You forgot Johnny Unitas. Now there's a haircut you could set a watch to.

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Garcia Bronco
06-23-2011, 10:34 AM
You forgot Johnny Unitas. Now there's a haircut you could set a watch to.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l0xsierg291qbye7fo1_500.png

Good ole Abe. It's a shame Joe sent his wife on a crime spree.

RhymesayersDU
06-23-2011, 02:04 PM
You forgot Johnny Unitas. Now there's a haircut you could set a watch to.

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Hahaha, what an obscure Abe Simpson quote.


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Garcia Bronco
06-23-2011, 02:16 PM
Seriously though...I'd put up the 1990 49ers against any team today and they'd win.

Who's better that Ronnie Lott, Jerry Rice, Tom Rathmen, Brent Jones, Joe Montana, Charles Haley, Bill Romanoski? Very few, if any. And that's just one team and not all are in the hall.