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Taco John
06-20-2011, 11:06 PM
Scientists Create First Memory Expansion for Brain

Jesus Diaz — Imagine you can insert a memory card in your brain and go all Keanu Wow, I know Jiu-Jitsu! Reeves. It's actually not that far away: Scientists have created a chip that allows rats to instantly know things. It's amazing.

After studying the chemical interactions that allow short-term learning and memorization in rats, a group of scientists lead by Dr. Theodore Berger—from the University of South California's Viterbi School of Engineering—have built a prosthetic chip that uses electrodes to enhance and expand their memory abilities. The chip is capable of storing neural signals, basically functioning as an electronic memory, allowing rats to learn more and keep it in the devices.

Dr. Berger's description is almost frightening:

"Flip the switch on, and the rats remember. Flip it off, and the rats forget [...] These integrated experimental modeling studies show for the first time that with sufficient information about the neural coding of memories, a neural prosthesis capable of real-time identification and manipulation of the encoding process can restore and even enhance cognitive mnemonic processes.

The team's experiments—which have been in a paper called "A Cortical Neural Prosthesis for Restoring and Enhancing Memory"—could lead to the development of devices that may help people affected by Alzheimer's disease, stroke or other brain injuries. In fact, they are already working on the next step: Reproduce the same result in monkeys.

As someone who has had family affected by Alzheimer and other diseases, I really hope they succeed. As someone who would like to have the entire IMDB in his brain, I really hope they succeed too.

http://gizmodo.com/5813821/scientists-create-first-memory-expansion-for-brain

Bob's your Information Minister
06-20-2011, 11:10 PM
That's very cool, but when can I erase the memory of 1997?

Taco John
06-20-2011, 11:10 PM
This is part of the setting in Perter F. Hamilton's "Pandora's Star," and "Judas Unchained." If you're looking for some quality Sci Fi, that's an excellent pair of books.

epicSocialism4tw
06-20-2011, 11:16 PM
There's alot to be done there, and I'd rather see it done with neurons, but we're going there regardless. The tech is already in place, so the next step is to create isobiologic substances, dose the nuclei with some sort of neurtrophic-type material, and watch the magic happen.

Its entirely possible for, at some distant date, for there to be fixtures readied on the surface of the scalp that allow for matrices information to be directly implemented. So if a commoner in Russia is needed to work a complex machine, you just stick a chip in the fixture while he's asleep (wow, what dreams would happen that night as your brain sorts through and condenses the new information), and he wakes up a fully-trained professional...plus whatever behavioral "updates" that you want to install that pertain to those regions of the brain that you intervene on.

broncocalijohn
06-20-2011, 11:16 PM
Can we get MB or is it KB? I want to upgrade like a computer.

Taco, maybe if you got one of these "upgrades", you could remember that we wanted OMane Shirts for tailgate parties.

Chris
06-21-2011, 06:44 AM
This was developed to help people with dementia regain mental faculty. It is not a keanu "I know Kung Fu" chip. Gizmodo went all nerd on it.

alkemical
06-21-2011, 06:45 AM
I was reading this yesterday and was interested in learning more. Cool stuff.

Kaylore
06-21-2011, 09:37 AM
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epicSocialism4tw
06-21-2011, 09:56 AM
This was developed to help people with dementia regain mental faculty. It is not a keanu "I know Kung Fu" chip. Gizmodo went all nerd on it.

If you are able to develop this for human use, its not too far removed from the Neo download. If you create memory storage, you can create stored memories.

Rigs11
06-21-2011, 10:14 AM
Blasphemy! science is the devil's work!

TheReverend
06-21-2011, 10:19 AM
Brb cloning myself so I can download myself into it in 20 years and stay young(ish)

epicSocialism4tw
06-21-2011, 10:22 AM
Blasphemy! science is the devil's work!

I would think that this was sarcasm, but then again you posted it.

Taco John
06-21-2011, 10:25 AM
Brb cloning myself so I can download myself into it in 20 years and stay young(ish)

You (as in the "I am" part of you that connects with self, individual identity) would die, and a different individual essence would receive your memories. That different individual would think and feel as though it were you, but it wouldn't actually be "you."

TheReverend
06-21-2011, 10:29 AM
You (as in the "I am" part of you that connects with self, individual identity) would die, and a different individual essence would receive your memories. That different individual would think and feel as though it were you, but it wouldn't actually be "you."

I'm confident science can eventually bridge that gap and murder the identity of my clone and preserve mine.

elsid13
06-21-2011, 10:39 AM
I'm confident science can eventually bridge that gap and murder the identity of my clone and preserve mine.

keeping it in a coma would be the simple answer. And Dramallama will be here in less then 60 seconds calling me evil.

TheReverend
06-21-2011, 10:46 AM
keeping it in a coma would be the simple answer. And Dramallama will be here in less then 60 seconds calling me evil.

Yeah, I'd prefer to keep it's brain inactive until I need him.

Unless I could make him do all my work for me...

Side note: I have a longstanding agreement with my gf that if it ever becomes legal to do so and I cloned her, sex with her clones wouldn't be considered cheating. Loop hole to monogamy ftw.

epicSocialism4tw
06-21-2011, 10:47 AM
keeping it in a coma would be the simple answer. And Dramallama will be here in less then 60 seconds calling me evil.

Not evil, just uninformed. Brain damage is inevitable in long-term suspension. Nervous tissue does not regenerate. Even if it did regenerate you wouldn't be able to create the chemical gradients that design your brain from the time you begin developing nervous tissue.

What that means is that his brain would be different, and thus his personality would be different.

The only way to keep himself the same would be to somehow develop an interface with immense computing power that could develop a new brain by recreating those chemical gradients and associations, which would require so much information that it just isnt likely to ever happen (because your brain condenses information every day).

Rigs11
06-21-2011, 10:50 AM
I would think that this was sarcasm, but then again you posted it.

hook, line and sinker

55CrushEm
06-21-2011, 10:53 AM
So just like in the movie Total Recall.....instead of having to pay for an expensive vacation, I can have a "memory" of one implanted in my head!

Excellent!! :thumbsup:

alkemical
06-21-2011, 10:55 AM
Would "fake memories" be a new drug -

ala -

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114558/

Vegas_Bronco
06-21-2011, 11:22 AM
Nah grandpa...that's my wife..we need a reboot again dammit.

That One Guy
06-21-2011, 11:36 AM
Side note: I have a longstanding agreement with my gf that if it ever becomes legal to do so and I cloned her, sex with her clones wouldn't be considered cheating. Loop hole to monogamy ftw.

I've been negotiating this as the only allowable threesome for quite some time. Might be creepy for her but I'd be good with it.

The new line could be "What would you do if you could clone anyone?... Two chicks at once..."

Shananahan
06-21-2011, 11:50 AM
As someone who would like to have the entire IMDB in his brain, I really hope they succeed too.
You're really aiming for the stars here.

underrated29
06-21-2011, 11:57 AM
And THUS we will have ourselves Real Manchurian Candidates.



If they can program some randam ass everyday person to be an expert assassin and take someone out. But having no memmory or recall ability to perfom such actions. Yeah- People are going to be offed all the time from this thing.


The gov. will develop it one step further and allow for the chip to be dissolved when hit with some raio waves or sometihng and oila no evidence and a perfectly good --Manchurian Candidate.

TheReverend
06-21-2011, 11:59 AM
And THUS we will have ourselves Real Manchurian Candidates.



If they can program some randam ass everyday person to be an expert assassin and take someone out. But having no memmory or recall ability to perfom such actions. Yeah- People are going to be offed all the time from this thing.


The gov. will develop it one step further and allow for the chip to be dissolved when hit with some raio waves or sometihng and oila no evidence and a perfectly good --Manchurian Candidate.

Here we go....

jhns
06-21-2011, 12:05 PM
100 GBs of porn uploaded to my brain would make me a happy individual.

elsid13
06-21-2011, 12:08 PM
100 GBs of porn uploaded to my brain would make me a happy individual.

Who knew there was 100 GB of goat porn out there. :~ohyah!:

gtown
06-21-2011, 12:09 PM
Would "fake memories" be a new drug -

ala -

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114558/

Where do I sign up? I can't wait to recall the Broncos beating Jacksonville in the 1996 AFC Divisional playoffs on their way to the first of three consecutive Super Bowl victories.

bowtown
06-21-2011, 12:10 PM
100 GBs of porn uploaded to my brain would make me a happy individual.

What brain?

http://www.idatemodels.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/High-Five.jpg

jhns
06-21-2011, 12:23 PM
Jhns does not like these replies.

Taco John
06-21-2011, 12:29 PM
I'm confident science can eventually bridge that gap and murder the identity of my clone and preserve mine.

Science would have to have the ability to identify the soul in order for that to happen (or whatever you want to call the spark of conscious energy that gives us the ability to use the hardware). Or, I suppose, transfer the brain - though I'm not sure if that would work either, considering Eastern traditions believes that this attachment happens in the solar plexus.

This is why I would never use a transporter. There's no way anybody could prove to me that it's not a copy, delete, and paste operation.

Taco John
06-21-2011, 12:30 PM
Where do I sign up? I can't wait to recall the Broncos beating Jacksonville in the 1996 AFC Divisional playoffs on their way to the first of three consecutive Super Bowl victories.

Bobby Humphrey, 15 time Superbowl MVP and universal role model for excellence.

Archer81
06-21-2011, 12:31 PM
There is no way this could go wrong...


:Broncos:

bowtown
06-21-2011, 12:34 PM
Science would have to have the ability to identify the soul in order for that to happen (or whatever you want to call the spark of conscious energy that gives us the ability to use the hardware). Or, I suppose, transfer the brain - though I'm not sure if that would work either, considering Eastern traditions believes that this attachment happens in the solar plexus.

This is why I would never use a transporter. There's no way anybody could prove to me that it's not a copy, delete, and paste operation.

That's not the only reason you'll never use one.

Chris
06-21-2011, 01:22 PM
Who knew there was 100 GB of goat porn out there. :~ohyah!:

I bet he's thinking more armless pregnant women with webbed feet.

UberBroncoMan
06-21-2011, 02:41 PM
Fake memories could totally brainwash people if powerful/potent enough. Think of those applications.

We could turn Jihadist's into Mormons!

jhns
06-21-2011, 02:43 PM
I bet he's thinking more armless pregnant women with webbed feet.

This actually sounds interesting. Do you know where I can find that?

Pony Boy
06-21-2011, 03:34 PM
Will the QB's get a chip in the brain with all the the plays? I hate those cheat-sheet armbands.

Chris
06-21-2011, 04:00 PM
This actually sounds interesting. Do you know where I can find that?

PM.

Arkie
06-21-2011, 04:01 PM
That's very cool, but when can I erase the memory of 1997?

http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/8154152284105727.JPG?0.5762732621336027

That One Guy
06-21-2011, 08:06 PM
Think of the crap Gaff could come up with.. or... will... once his minions decide this is real.

FireFly
06-21-2011, 09:49 PM
Bah - Makes me sad. I'm going to be dead before all the epic sci-fi tech is developed! Why couldn't I have been born 300+ in the future

broncosteven
06-21-2011, 10:56 PM
Not evil, just uninformed. Brain damage is inevitable in long-term suspension. Nervous tissue does not regenerate. Even if it did regenerate you wouldn't be able to create the chemical gradients that design your brain from the time you begin developing nervous tissue.

What that means is that his brain would be different, and thus his personality would be different.

The only way to keep himself the same would be to somehow develop an interface with immense computing power that could develop a new brain by recreating those chemical gradients and associations, which would require so much information that it just isnt likely to ever happen (because your brain condenses information every day).

Read Ray Kurzweil, I thought he was out of his mind thinking the singularity would be available by 2015...

Requiem
06-22-2011, 07:52 AM
I just put the books I want to read under my pillow and I absorb all the information while I dream.

Gingerbread man, aye, aye.