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Taco John
06-13-2011, 04:59 PM
Ran across this today. I don't think I quite understand this "Anonymous" thing, but I'm curious what they will actually think they are going to pull off tomorrow.


To catch up, in March, "Anonymous" put out this email demanding Ben Bernanke step down or face an organized campaign against them:

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He, of course, didn't. So they released this video to announce Operation "Empire State Rebellion."

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As far as I know, this is the first "show of force" event for Anonymous in America. I'll be curious to see if there's even a single headline about this tomorrow, let alone some massive resistance.

Tombstone RJ
06-13-2011, 05:03 PM
I'm curious to see what happens...

Tombstone RJ
06-13-2011, 05:16 PM
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Gonna have to agree with this. Where is the justice? Oh yah, the District of Corruption is part of the scam. Wow fed reserve, you managed to use the American People while screwing the American People.

A new low, congrats!

TheReverend
06-13-2011, 05:37 PM
Nothing, inc.

epicSocialism4tw
06-13-2011, 05:57 PM
Huh?

RaiderH8r
06-13-2011, 06:18 PM
As long as these douchebags don't screw up my PSN access again. They can all die a painful herpes death for that little stunt. They're lucky I'm not El Presidente. I would have SEAL Team 6ed them months ago.

tsiguy96
06-13-2011, 06:22 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group)

they have done some crazy **** before

Archer81
06-13-2011, 06:26 PM
Gonna have to agree with this. Where is the justice? Oh yah, the District of Corruption is part of the scam. Wow fed reserve, you managed to use the American People while screwing the American People.

A new low, congrats!


I dont think hacking is a viable form of protest for government malfeasance.


:Broncos:

TheReverend
06-13-2011, 06:29 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group)

they have done some crazy **** before

Yeah not really. They've "threatened" (supposedly) to do "some crazy **** before" but really only followed through against that security firm.

epicSocialism4tw
06-13-2011, 06:43 PM
As long as these douchebags don't screw up my PSN access again. They can all die a painful herpes death for that little stunt. They're lucky I'm not El Presidente. I would have SEAL Team 6ed them months ago.

:spit:

Chris
06-13-2011, 06:45 PM
What's weird is I now associate Pirate Michael Bolton as the face of Anonymous

That One Guy
06-13-2011, 06:51 PM
I dont think hacking is a viable form of protest for government malfeasance.


:Broncos:

How do you really protest against the government in today's day and age?

Those who matter are so sheltered from the masses that nothing you (we) do can really bring change against them. You'd literally have to mobilize 150 million people to even begin to make a difference but you'd always have that percentage of the population who defends those in office because they defend the party.

As long as the masses are fighting each other, things continue to progress. Strike at the government in a way that will cause nothing but embarrassment. Have no impact but to show the people that the emperor has no clothes. I think it's quite clever in fighting the government in a way that doesn't turn the people against you. In doing this, they'll have to do things in a way that doesn't just cause obstacles in people's daily lives.

The problem comes if they are successful but get caught up in their own success.

Boobs McGee
06-13-2011, 06:55 PM
What's weird is I now associate Pirate Michael Bolton as the face of Anonymous

ROFL!

Boobs McGee
06-13-2011, 07:00 PM
Any group that launches an attack called "Operation (tee eye tee)storm" is A-ok in my book! Maybe we'll all wake up with an extra grand or two in our bank accounts tomorrow ;D

srphoenix
06-13-2011, 07:33 PM
part of me is rooting for them because I agree that the Fed is one of the greatest downfalls of America, but the other part of me views there lawlessness and support of pornography and other things as detestable and wrong.

One things for sure, they seem to know what they're doing and have the cojones to pull it off. Tomorrow should be an interesting alt news day (we all know the normal news outlets won't hardly carry it even if it is true).

Pseudofool
06-13-2011, 07:56 PM
Anonymous has 'attacked' the Westboro Church . And I'm pretty sure other individuals within the states. It will be interesting to see if there's any national coverage, whatever their attack might be.

Broncobiv
06-13-2011, 08:22 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MvgDz2rLGHQ/TehGPKieIyI/AAAAAAAAAbA/wRXcDs3w4vQ/s1600/FC+Finale.jpg

Cmac821
06-13-2011, 09:02 PM
Wow, this starts tomorrow. From what I have seen these guys hold up on there threats.

alkemical
06-13-2011, 09:19 PM
go anon!

alkemical
06-13-2011, 09:23 PM
These 'guys' are needed in today's world.

they stood up for wikileaks, went after scientologists, involved in hacking palin's email, and other acts of chaos.

Lev Vyvanse
06-13-2011, 09:25 PM
DOS attacks are forthcoming. This is going to be crazy. You might not be able to access the Federal banks website until tomorrow afternoon!!!! Hide your husbands.

RaiderH8r
06-13-2011, 09:34 PM
These 'guys' are needed in today's world.

they stood up for wikileaks, went after scientologists, involved in hacking palin's email, and other acts of chaos.

If they want to impress me they should have found Obama's birth certificate.

alkemical
06-13-2011, 09:40 PM
If they want to impress me they should have found Obama's birth certificate.

reptiles don't have birth certs.

epicSocialism4tw
06-13-2011, 09:43 PM
People that cause chaos are needed?

Yikes, guy.

That's pretty sick.

alkemical
06-13-2011, 09:48 PM
communist

Taco John
06-13-2011, 10:36 PM
People that cause chaos are needed?

Yikes, guy.

That's pretty sick.

Chaos begets chaos.

Houshyamama
06-13-2011, 10:48 PM
Should be interesting.

epicSocialism4tw
06-13-2011, 11:11 PM
Chaos begets chaos.

Chaos begets violence and injustice.

It would be devastating for any culture. Its literally the opposite of civilization.

If he wants chaos, he can move himself to Darfur and see how he likes it.

Archer81
06-14-2011, 12:59 AM
These 'guys' are needed in today's world.

they stood up for wikileaks, went after scientologists, involved in hacking palin's email, and other acts of chaos.


Exactly why I disapprove.


:Broncos:

myMind
06-14-2011, 01:57 AM
Chaos begets violence and injustice.

It would be devastating for any culture. Its literally the opposite of civilization.

Chaos and harmony(order) exist naturally in balance outside of humanity.
I believe that chaos cannot be the opposite of civilization because it would still exist even if humans did not.
Civilization is just the misguided attempt to impose our own interpretation of order onto the world around us, which has invariably failed us time and time again throughout history.
Not sure why I chose to debate this point, just thought it was important to distinguish the fact that a human creation is not the yin to an ancient and undefinable force's yang.

epicSocialism4tw
06-14-2011, 03:57 AM
Chaos and harmony(order) exist naturally in balance outside of humanity.
I believe that chaos cannot be the opposite of civilization because it would still exist even if humans did not.
Civilization is just the misguided attempt to impose our own interpretation of order onto the world around us, which has invariably failed us time and time again throughout history.
Not sure why I chose to debate this point, just thought it was important to distinguish the fact that a human creation is not the yin to an ancient and undefinable force's yang.

The physical concept of chaos (more aptly described as the result of entropy) has very little to do with the civic concepts of chaos found in the ideas of anarchists.

Chaos and civilization are not compatible, they are diametrically opposed.

The idea that we "impose" order on our world, and that it is some unnatural force is naive, ignorant, and ridiculous. Our genes build order out of elements left cooling (in increasing order) from an explosion. Our bodies are finely tuned, highly ordered, specialized machines. Our memes are ordered. As humans, we excel at building order, and it is natural that we create order.

All across the generations, organisms of all taxa have built their lives on the concept of maintaining order in the face of entropy.

Its the job of life to maintain order.

alkemical
06-14-2011, 05:27 AM
CONVENTIONAL CHAOS

GREYFACE

In the year 1166 B.C., a malcontented hunchbrain by the name of Greyface, got it into his head that the universe was as humorless as he, and he began to teach that play was sinful because it contradicted the ways of Serious Order. "Look at all the order around you," he said. And from that, he deluded honest men to believe that reality was a straightjacket affair and not the happy romance as men had known it.

It is not presently understood why men were so gullible at that particular time, for absolutely no one thought to observe all the disorder around them and conclude just the opposite. But anyway, Greyface and his followers took the game of playing at life more seriously than they took life itself and were known even to destroy other living beings whose ways of life differed from their own.

The unfortunate result of this is that mankind has since been suffering from a psychological and spiritual imbalance. Imbalance causes frustration, and frustration causes fear. And fear makes for a bad trip. Man has been on a bad trip for a long time now.

It is called THE CURSE OF GREYFACE.

Bull**** makes
the flowers grow
& that's beautiful.

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-14-2011, 05:36 AM
Anon and lulzsec have been on a tear in recent weeks. Hell, lulzsec will GIVE YOU all the Sony passwords via their website. Anything they've wanted, they've taken. I'd be interested to see if they can really get into something like this.

alkemical
06-14-2011, 05:37 AM
Order and structure bring you wars with reason!

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!"

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSu14sT4Qdvm4M8k76u4Z9-FLPzhL6NANTqKVBzvlV7nXHQX3J7iA

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTK-8pEtka8tRZg2pBwEylmIprRfThPAcnmtvoEK8kb5oGR2Q-r

Chaos just infers a lack of predictability. I personally enjoy stretches of it. it is what allows opportunity and creativity to flow. Right now, we have a lot of problems - and the banking industry is one of them. We need some creative answers.

Look at the information they helped release on the mortgage scandal as well.

Anon isn't bombing people, they aren't shooting rockets into neighborhoods. Yet, they are violent?

LOL, the rebels in Star Wars would be evil to some people here. :D

Garcia Bronco
06-14-2011, 06:01 AM
You can't fight city hall. Especially if they have an IPS.

alkemical
06-14-2011, 06:03 AM
it's not about fighting City Hall, that's outdated 3GW models.

jhns
06-14-2011, 06:03 AM
These people are a bunch of jackasses...

No surprise some here like them.

alkemical
06-14-2011, 06:05 AM
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS7MNXDrDKBlhWStJmSQi6NuSkuKI26v SmbNX6E1PrPvsLav_ub

Broncos_OTM
06-14-2011, 07:26 AM
I am all for them. As a american i am sick of being lied to by my governement. If these guys can pull down there pants more often id be ok with that... specially if they can parody it on adult swim

alkemical
06-14-2011, 07:35 AM
I am all for them. As a american i am sick of being lied to by my governement. If these guys can pull down there pants more often id be ok with that... specially if they can parody it on adult swim

I sort of view this as an Art Project meets WWIII. Could WWIII be via the interwebs? Is this the new stage of warfare?

http://rethinkingsecurity.typepad.com/rethinkingsecurity/2009/01/the-crisis-of-4gw.html

4GW is a form of conflict that blurred the line between soldier, civilian, and gangster, waged by a blizzard non-state actors against a declining state that had lost its monopoly on force. In such an environment, actors revert to primary loyalties and legitimacy is the coin of the realm. The battlefield is essentially omnidirectional--the front line is not just "over there" but very much "over here." Terror attacks, psychological operations, propaganda, and even cyber attacks--any kind of asymmetric force--are deployed to depress the will of the opponent.

Before 9/11, 4GW was very much the concern of a small group of thinkers. It went against the guiding current of the Revolution in Military Affairs and Transformation. But after 9/11, it became popular because it categorized the amorphous mass of non-state threats (terrorists, gangs, insurgents, religious fanatics, etc) in a manner that more careful theories could not. Exacting critiques of 4GW's assumptions and historical heritage by military historians such Antulio Echevarria and Sir Laurence Freedman could not replace this explanatory function.

Like the stateless adversaries 4GW described, it has always been amorphous. It intersects with my frequent collaborator Lt. John P. Sullivan's theories on gangs and criminal insurgency, John Arquilla and David Ronfeldt's theories of social netwar, and John Robb's Global Guerrillas. Martin Van Creveld, despite the fact that he has never used the term "4GW" provided much of the theoretical heft for 4GW's emphasis on the decline of the state in his book The Transformation of War.

Speculations about a "Fifth Generation" of war also emerged in 2005. 5GW--at least in the consensus conception described in Dreaming 5GW--focused on a mode of future conflict that involved widescale societal and strategic manipulation. Other conceptions of 5GW focused on large-scale WMD terrorism and global insurgency against the West. 5GW also was tied into the emerging field of writings about "super-empowered individuals" using technology, mass psychology, and systems disruption to target brittle human social systems.

Needless to say, every successful theory eventually runs into significant problems. 4GW, correct on the formation of an Iraqi insurgency, failed to predict the emerging consensus engineered by the complex mixture of American strategy, Iraqi factional battles, and the interplay of regional actors such as Iran and Syria. A common definition of 5GW--as well as real world case studies--remains out of reach. And the price for moving towards a non-state paradigm of war has been the overestimation of the insurgent's power and an automatic assumption of the network's vitality against the hierarchy.
Perhaps one of the most pernicious problems involved in current theory has been the insistence on one future--a Mad Max world of neo-feudal anarchy--as the result of the decline of the state. I am now more agnostic about whether the state is in decline at all--it is more likely that we lack the conceptual tools to describe the evolutionary or devolutionary process currently going on as a result of state change. It is undeniable that nasty actors have been empowered, but these are side effects of a process that we still barely understand. Are states hollow and criminal-states emerging? Yes. But do we really know about what that means for the state system?


Here's an OM thread if you're curious on this topic further:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=68291&highlight=4gw

Think of Anonymous - but without anything more than the name being used for association.

Garcia Bronco
06-14-2011, 07:36 AM
it's not about fighting City Hall, that's outdated 3GW models.

Yeah it is and what do you mean 3gw. A proper IPS can stop just about any DoS attack. You won't even see it on the wire.

alkemical
06-14-2011, 07:39 AM
Yeah it is and what do you mean 3gw. A proper IPS can stop just about any DoS attack. You won't even see it on the wire.

See above post for 3gw/4gw.

Garcia, you know as well as I do - security in the online world is nothing more than just a series of hurdles. If you are dealing with a hive/swarm, they will find the cracks.

Bronco Yoda
06-14-2011, 08:08 AM
Chaos is a friend of mine.

BOB DYLAN

Requiem
06-14-2011, 08:15 AM
professor chaos.

TheReverend
06-14-2011, 08:52 AM
Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwn

Looks like they MIGHT get a few people together to go stand in Liberty Park in NYC in an hour. I bet that will solve the income disparity!

Cmac821
06-14-2011, 10:37 AM
Has anything happen yet?

uk bronco
06-14-2011, 10:44 AM
anything actually happened?

Broncos_OTM
06-14-2011, 10:49 AM
i think muy lawn just grew a micro fraction!!

TheReverend
06-14-2011, 10:51 AM
anything actually happened?

Has anything happen yet?

Nope.

As usual.

bowtown
06-14-2011, 10:54 AM
Nope.

As usual.

I was just at the Taste of Downtown event. Got a bowl of ceviche that tasted a little off. Wonder if they were behind that.

TheReverend
06-14-2011, 11:04 AM
I was just at the Taste of Downtown event. Got a bowl of ceviche that tasted a little off. Wonder if they were behind that.

Did you see a pimply faced nerd with a Guy Fawkes mask in his hand looking around to see if he anyone else is there so he can wear it?

bowtown
06-14-2011, 11:08 AM
Did you see a pimply faced nerd with a Guy Fawkes mask in his hand looking around to see if he anyone else is there so he can wear it?

A pimply-faced kid did charge me 7 bucks for half a steak sandwich. He didn't have a mask though. It would have helped.

TheReverend
06-14-2011, 11:11 AM
A pimply-faced kid did charge me 7 bucks for half a steak sandwich. He didn't have a mask though. It would have helped.

...How much did you eat?

bowtown
06-14-2011, 11:19 AM
...How much did you eat?

Enough to make me feel a little ill, even if it wasn't poisoned... wait maybe that's their plan: take control of my willpower and force me to overeat average food for way too much money! Diabolical!

Chris
06-14-2011, 11:26 AM
Enough to make me feel a little ill, even if it wasn't poisoned... wait maybe that's their plan: take control of my willpower and force me to overeat average food for way too much money! Diabolical!

Anonymous owns Cosi?

Garcia Bronco
06-14-2011, 11:28 AM
See above post for 3gw/4gw.

Garcia, you know as well as I do - security in the online world is nothing more than just a series of hurdles. If you are dealing with a hive/swarm, they will find the cracks.

Not with a device that learns link states and inspects traffic. You might get by it one week, but the next week it's going to shut you down.

alkemical
06-14-2011, 11:47 AM
Not with a device that learns link states and inspects traffic. You might get by it one week, but the next week it's going to shut you down.

For every hitek solution, there is a lotek hack.

myMind
06-14-2011, 02:01 PM
The physical concept of chaos (more aptly described as the result of entropy) has very little to do with the civic concepts of chaos found in the ideas of anarchists.

Chaos and civilization are not compatible, they are diametrically opposed.

The idea that we "impose" order on our world, and that it is some unnatural force is naive, ignorant, and ridiculous. Our genes build order out of elements left cooling (in increasing order) from an explosion. Our bodies are finely tuned, highly ordered, specialized machines. Our memes are ordered. As humans, we excel at building order, and it is natural that we create order.

All across the generations, organisms of all taxa have built their lives on the concept of maintaining order in the face of entropy.

Its the job of life to maintain order.

I agree that human beings, as well as all living beings exist as operational proof against entropy and chaos.

However this doesn't necessitate that every action taken by a civilization has similar results. People create as much chaos as they do order. I feel that our societies exist more as a microcosm of the world around us, not as a constant counterbalance to entropy.

Civilization absolutely attempts to impose order on the world around it:
Farming, landscaping, damning, city planning, take your pick.
But we also contribute to entropy and degredation through our emissions, litter, and radioactive faux pauxs.

It is the job of life to maintain order, I agree.
Though once a specific life form(us) has the intelligence to interchange its own will with the concept of order, can it still be considered natural and harmonious for all other life?

Tombstone RJ
06-14-2011, 04:21 PM
so what's the story, Did Bernanke's head explode or anything?

elsid13
06-14-2011, 04:29 PM
so what's the story, Did Bernanke's head explode or anything?

Right now it looks like nothing.

RaiderH8r
06-14-2011, 05:49 PM
so what's the story, Did Bernanke's head explode or anything?

bunch of f'ing pansies. Sure, they'll f with a guy like me and my PSN when all I want to do is get through my f'ing day but when it comes to Bernanke they get sand in their vaginas. Clowns. F'ing clowns. I hope they get SEAL Team 6ed. Every one of them.

epicSocialism4tw
06-14-2011, 07:08 PM
I agree that human beings, as well as all living beings exist as operational proof against entropy and chaos.

However this doesn't necessitate that every action taken by a civilization has similar results. People create as much chaos as they do order. I feel that our societies exist more as a microcosm of the world around us, not as a constant counterbalance to entropy.

Civilization absolutely attempts to impose order on the world around it:
Farming, landscaping, damning, city planning, take your pick.
But we also contribute to entropy and degredation through our emissions, litter, and radioactive faux pauxs.

It is the job of life to maintain order, I agree.
Though once a specific life form(us) has the intelligence to interchange its own will with the concept of order, can it still be considered natural and harmonious for all other life?

Entropy is a scientific concept, not a civic concept. Its based on the amount of energy contained in systems.

Civilization does not "impose" anything. It is as natural as the dirt. People are part of nature as well, and their ability to further their lives has evolved right alongside the external environment, completely intertwined with it.

Taco John
06-14-2011, 08:03 PM
I didn't think they had much power in America. Just a bunch of message board fanbois who are great at posting porn, not so great at protesting.

TheReverend
06-14-2011, 08:19 PM
I didn't think they had much power.

Fixed.

epicSocialism4tw
06-14-2011, 08:27 PM
Anonymous: pwned by the Federal Reserve.

Cmac821
06-14-2011, 09:12 PM
Anonymous: pwned by the Federal Reserve.

helps when you have endless amounts of money

vancejohnson82
06-14-2011, 09:41 PM
helps when you have endless amounts of money

or an infrastructure....

order pwns chaos

briane
06-15-2011, 12:39 PM
Operation Empire Rebellion just rocked the world to the core!

They really made people think.

http://arjunaardagh.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/yawn2.jpg

Chris
06-15-2011, 12:45 PM
This just in - Fed Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke poisoned by breadsticks at Olive Garden.

Kaylore
06-15-2011, 01:34 PM
They are going to sabotage his electric razor to make his beard ratted and uneven!

Cmac821
06-15-2011, 01:59 PM
This is disappointing

UberBroncoMan
06-15-2011, 02:39 PM
This is disappointing

Come on. What did you expect. Even if they did something big, they'd be caught. They don't have the cash to hide, etc. Way too unorganized.

epicSocialism4tw
06-15-2011, 03:02 PM
helps when you have endless amounts of money

...and have people who are over the age of 22 and who have actually talked to women before.