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The climate change denier extremists are scum...
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/climate-of-fear-scientists-face-death-threats/2185089.aspx?storypage=1
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
06-04-2011, 05:04 PM
It's a vicious cycle.....in other news PETA is a group of terrorists.
What's a fella to do these days?
It's a vicious cycle.....in other news PETA is a group of terrorists.
What's a fella to do these days?
Two different things. PETA deliberately tries to provoke people. These blokes are scientists.
'Course, reality is a provocation to some people, like teabaggers.
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
06-04-2011, 05:50 PM
Two different things. PETA deliberately tries to provoke people. These blokes are scientists.
'Course, reality is a provocation to some people, like teabaggers.
I'm sorry, I shouldn't be insensitive to someone receiving a death threat.
I guess the only point I was trying to make is there are idiots in both the conservative and liberal realm.
I am still very conservative politically, but I don't call myself Republican or a Tea Party member.
cutthemdown
06-14-2011, 10:35 PM
Turns out the sun may be going into some sort of down period of no sum spots. It could really offset any global warming. And if the warming not real we could actually get colder. The last time the sun did this it was called the mini ice age. I guess a few hundred yrs ago.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
06-14-2011, 10:50 PM
I can at least understand the motives of the Oil Company CEOs, et al, who stand to gain from climate change denial, but the common red state folk who carry those CEOs' water never cease to amaze me. They're nothing but useful tools.
cutthemdown
06-14-2011, 11:33 PM
Were actually cooling, that is what is ironic about the climate change denying. The sun is going to go into a period of inactivity not seen for hundreds of years. They actually don't know how many degrees it will knock off. They thing is the 3-4 degree raise that the global warming alarmist say will occur isnt really going at the rate the predicted so its hard to say for sure what will happen IMO. Its a fact though the sun is ceasing sun spot actvity. The only question is how much, for how long, and what will is actually change on Earth.
ant1999e
06-15-2011, 12:46 AM
Turns out the sun may be going into some sort of down period of no sum spots. It could really offset any global warming. And if the warming not real we could actually get colder. The last time the sun did this it was called the mini ice age. I guess a few hundred yrs ago.
Your wrong. We are causing this as well.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110614/ts_afp/usspacesun
Kerry Sheridan – Tue Jun 14, 5:38 pm ET
WASHINGTON (AFP) – For years, scientists have been predicting the Sun would by around 2012 move into solar maximum, a period of intense flares and sunspot activity, but lately a curious calm has suggested quite the opposite.
According to three studies released in the United States on Tuesday, experts believe the familiar sunspot cycle may be shutting down and heading toward a pattern of inactivity unseen since the 17th century.
The signs include a missing jet stream, fading spots, and slower activity near the poles, said experts from the National Solar Observatory and Air Force Research Laboratory.
"This is highly unusual and unexpected," said Frank Hill, associate director of the NSO's Solar Synoptic Network, as the findings of the three studies were presented at the annual meeting of the American Astronomical Society's Solar Physics Division in Las Cruces, New Mexico.
"But the fact that three completely different views of the Sun point in the same direction is a powerful indicator that the sunspot cycle may be going into hibernation."
Solar activity tends to rise and fall every 11 years or so. The solar maximum and solar minimum each mark about half the interval of the magnetic pole reversal on the Sun, which happens every 22 years.
Hill said the current cycle, number 24, "may be the last normal one for some time and the next one, cycle 25, may not happen for some time.
"This is important because the solar cycle causes space weather which affects modern technology and may contribute to climate change," he told reporters.
Experts are now probing whether this period of inactivity could be a second Maunder Minimum, which was a 70-year period when hardly any sunspots were observed between 1645-1715, a period known as the "Little Ice Age."
"If we are right, this could be the last solar maximum we'll see for a few decades. That would affect everything from space exploration to Earth's climate," said Hill.
Solar flares and eruptions can send highly charged particles hurtling toward Earth and interfere with satellite communications, GPS systems and even airline controls.
Geomagnetic forces have been known to occasionally garble the world's modern gadgetry, and warnings were issued as recently as last week when a moderate solar flare sent a coronal mass ejection in the Earth's direction.
The temperature change associated with any reduction in sunspot activity would likely be minimal and may not be enough to offset the impact of greenhouse gases on global warming, according to scientists who have published recent papers on the topic.
"Recent solar 11-year cycles are associated empirically with changes in global surface temperature of 0.1 Celsius," said Judith Lean, a solar physicist with the US Naval Research Laboratory.
If the cycle were to stop or slow down, the small fluctuation in temperature would do the same, eliminating the slightly cooler effect of a solar minimum compared to the warmer solar maximum. The phenomenon was witnessed during the descending phase of the last solar cycle.
This "cancelled part of the greenhouse gas warming of the period 2000-2008, causing the net global surface temperature to remain approximately flat -- and leading to the big debate of why the Earth hadn't (been) warming in the past decade," Lean, who was not involved in the three studies presented, said in an email to AFP.
A study in the March 2010 issue of Geophysical Research Letters explored what effect an extended solar minimum might have, and found no more than a 0.3 Celsius dip by 2100 compared to normal solar fluctuations.
"A new Maunder-type solar activity minimum cannot offset the global warming caused by human greenhouse gas emissions," wrote authors Georg Feulner and Stefan Rahmstorf, noting that forecasts by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change have found a range of 3.7 Celsius to 4.5 Celsius rise by this century's end compared to the latter half of the 20th century.
"Moreover, any offset of global warming due to a grand minimum of solar activity would be merely a temporary effect, since the distinct solar minima during the last millennium typically lasted for only several decades or a century at most."
A quiet sun will not rescue us from manmade global warming.
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/06/end-of-the-sunspot-cycle.html
cutthemdown
06-15-2011, 10:35 AM
We can't make the sun have no sun spots that I know of lol. Not sure how we control the sun but whatever. Also W*GS they don't know for sure what it will do really. Also there temp warming models they predicted and the sea level rise haven't matched there predictions at all. There is a reason that is was called the mini ice age last time. Plenty of scientists who study the sun say its unpredictable because we don't know for how long the minimum will last.
Also there temp warming models they predicted and the sea level rise haven't matched there predictions at all.
True. SLR has been greater than what the models have shown.
cutthemdown
06-15-2011, 11:09 AM
Sea level rise is slowing to under what the models say at this point. It was rising faster in the 1970's. The sun is going to offset global warming. Its already doing it.
Garcia Bronco
06-15-2011, 11:28 AM
I don't know who I find to be more dip****ical; the people that think we are causing the golbe to warm or the people that think we can do something about it.
Sea level rise is slowing to under what the models say at this point. It was rising faster in the 1970's. The sun is going to offset global warming. Its already doing it.
It will lessen global warming - it will not offset it completely - not even close.
I don't know who I find to be more dip****ical; the people that think we are causing the golbe to warm or the people that think we can do something about it.
That view is more of a political and/or sociological issue than it is a science-based opinion.
Smiling Assassin27
06-15-2011, 01:33 PM
Turns out the sun may be going into some sort of down period of no sum spots. It could really offset any global warming. And if the warming not real we could actually get colder. The last time the sun did this it was called the mini ice age. I guess a few hundred yrs ago.
Burn carbon, stat! Hey, either way, you pretty much know what the answer to the problem--be it warming or ice age--is: centralize all energy policy at the Federal level. Bueller?
cutthemdown
06-15-2011, 01:36 PM
It's sort of a joke though in this country. We have these really good wind turbines if calif that now environmentalist want shut down because they are killing bats and eagles. They don't the wave technology because they dont want to ruin coast, and they don't like the solar projects because they are bad for the desert tortoise and horned toad. I am all for cheap, clean energy though. Its safe to assume the cheaper we can get that the better we can fight all the rampant inflation we have under Obama.
cutthemdown
06-15-2011, 01:40 PM
It will lessen global warming - it will not offset it completely - not even close.
Not saying I know. I go to look for numbers and you get these really outlandish predictions. These scientists on both sides cover there asses by saying between this and this depending on other factors. When the numbers dont add up by the time they say they can just claim the low side of the prediction, if more they claim the high side of a prediction. This whole sea level rise could be between 3 and 30 feet over the next 200 yrs is BS lol. Im just making those numbers up, i cant rem exact numbers because i read so many different ones from different yrs. One thing was the same though they gave themselves lots of room to wiggle. I also notice that most global warming scientists want to claim the low side of the sun warming prediction of .3 degrees. I find that amusing they give so little weight to the sun, the biggest player in the solar system.
Pony Boy
06-15-2011, 02:23 PM
Climate scientists in Australia get death threats
So....what's your point?
Wisconsin Republicans Get Death Threats
Radical Muslims made death threats against Pope
Sarah Palin gets Twitter death threats
Barack Obama faces 30 death threats a day
Hillary's loyal backers receiving death threats from Obama supporters
Dr. Arnold Klein, Michael Jackson's doctor, receives death threats
Smiling Assassin27
06-15-2011, 02:44 PM
Climate scientists in Australia get death threats
So....what's your point?
Wisconsin Republicans Get Death Threats
Radical Muslims made death threats against Pope
Sarah Palin gets Twitter death threats
Barack Obama faces 30 death threats a day
Hillary's loyal backers receiving death threats from Obama supporters
Dr. Arnold Klein, Michael Jackson's doctor, receives death threats
Hell, Tim Tebow got death threats. Scott Freakin' Cousins gets death threats from a fanbase that had one of their own beaten into a coma. Oh, and AGW skeptics ALSO get death threats, just as Roy Spencer.
Smiling Assassin27
06-15-2011, 02:46 PM
Not saying I know.
Ding! WAGS doesn't either but at leat you're honest enough to say so. NOBODY knows what the effect on the climate will be from this change and that's the simple truth.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
06-15-2011, 03:06 PM
Hell, Tim Tebow got death threats. Scott Freakin' Cousins gets death threats from a fanbase that had one of their own beaten into a coma. Oh, and AGW skeptics ALSO get death threats, just as Roy Spencer.
So the conclusion you draw from this is "move along - nothing to see here?"
Nice ethics. :oyvey:
Climate scientists in Australia get death threats
So....what's your point?
Since when is doing science worthy of a death threat?
Do you think if an ecoterrorist killed an animal biologist, it would be no big deal?
Ding! WAGS doesn't either but at leat you're honest enough to say so. NOBODY knows what the effect on the climate will be from this change and that's the simple truth.
Just because we're not omniscient doesn't mean we know nothing.
I find that amusing they give so little weight to the sun, the biggest player in the solar system.
That's like saying that since gravity is important to us, being big and heavy, it's just as important to an ant. However, you can drop an ant 100x it's body length and it won't care. Drop one of us 600 feet, and we'll care.
The change in radiative forcing from the sun even if it drops to Maunder Minimum levels will not be enough to overcome but a small part of the expected increased radiative forcing from us.
In short, the sun's quietness ain't gonna rescue us, and we still have to deal with the problem. It's not a miracle that will get us off the hook for our actions.
DomCasual
06-15-2011, 04:05 PM
So the conclusion you draw from this is "move along - nothing to see here?"
Nice ethics. :oyvey:
No, I don't know that that is what anyone is saying.
The "death threat" thing is so overblown, though. Throwing it out there as if it is somehow relevant is a little lame. The point is that everyone in the public eye, at this point, has increased exposure to crazies. And as we've seen on this board, making threats to someone online isn't all that unusual. Coming out and saying, "I JUST GOT A DEATH THREAT" seems a little melodramatic.
The other day, in an online forum, I made the comment, "Mitt Romney's religion should have no bearing on his ability to serve in politics." It's a pretty benign statement, I would think. Some imbecile responded (I'm paraphrasing a little here), "I think a Morman (sic) like yourself should be careful about what he says in a public forum. You never know who will decide to find you and make one less cultist in the world!" It was a little bizarre. But I didn't really lose sleep over it. Had I been a drama queen, I would have started telling everyone, "OMG!!!1!1!! I just got a death threat for supporting Romney!!!1!1!!!"
It just seems a little silly, is all I'm saying.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
06-15-2011, 05:07 PM
No, I don't know that that is what anyone is saying.
The "death threat" thing is so overblown, though. Throwing it out there as if it is somehow relevant is a little lame. The point is that everyone in the public eye, at this point, has increased exposure to crazies. And as we've seen on this board, making threats to someone online isn't all that unusual. Coming out and saying, "I JUST GOT A DEATH THREAT" seems a little melodramatic.
The other day, in an online forum, I made the comment, "Mitt Romney's religion should have no bearing on his ability to serve in politics." It's a pretty benign statement, I would think. Some imbecile responded (I'm paraphrasing a little here), "I think a Morman (sic) like yourself should be careful about what he says in a public forum. You never know who will decide to find you and make one less cultist in the world!" It was a little bizarre. But I didn't really lose sleep over it. Had I been a drama queen, I would have started telling everyone, "OMG!!!1!1!! I just got a death threat for supporting Romney!!!1!1!!!"
It just seems a little silly, is all I'm saying.
Sorry, but I don't buy the logic that says "because offender behavior has become commonplace, and because we have become jaded to it, we should all just shrug it off."
Calling that forum nutjob out doesn't make you a drama queen - it makes you socially responsible, IMO.
DomCasual
06-15-2011, 05:30 PM
Sorry, but I don't buy the logic that says "because offender behavior has become commonplace, and because we have become jaded to it, we should all just shrug it off."
Calling that forum nutjob out doesn't make you a drama queen - it makes you socially responsible, IMO.
Yeah, I agree. I guess I just don't see it as notable, unfortunately. The Interwebs has brought many great things to the world, IMO. Lowering the barrier of entry for crazies to have a public platform isn't one of them.
You see it on here. With certain people, if they aren't able to keep up with an argument, they resort to things like, "I'm going to kick your ass at the next tailgait!" I like to think of it as Small-Penis Syndrome. :)
cutthemdown
06-15-2011, 05:49 PM
That's like saying that since gravity is important to us, being big and heavy, it's just as important to an ant. However, you can drop an ant 100x it's body length and it won't care. Drop one of us 600 feet, and we'll care.
The change in radiative forcing from the sun even if it drops to Maunder Minimum levels will not be enough to overcome but a small part of the expected increased radiative forcing from us.
In short, the sun's quietness ain't gonna rescue us, and we still have to deal with the problem. It's not a miracle that will get us off the hook for our actions.
Don't see the connection sorry. I am talking about how when climate change people want to use numbers they pick the ones on the high side if they are alarmist, or the low side if they are deniers.
Don't see the connection sorry. I am talking about how when climate change people want to use numbers they pick the ones on the high side if they are alarmist, or the low side if they are deniers.
Actually, the way the IPCC operates, it tends to the conservative side. So, despite the deniers calling the IPCC "alarmist", it's not.
cutthemdown
06-15-2011, 06:25 PM
Not one scientist has ever been alive to see the sun go into one of these periods so really this is there first chance to study it. To dismiss it like they know exactly how much it cools the earth is not logical. Also the last time the sun did this they called it the mini ice age.
As expected - Big Carbon is paying off a "scientist" to be a "skeptic".
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jun/28/climate-change-sceptic-willie-soon">Climate sceptic Willie Soon received $1m from oil companies, papers show</a>
Would any of the deniers here like to rationalize this corruption?
Boomhauer
06-29-2011, 06:12 PM
I though "Climate Scientists" were threatening global mass suicide if we didn't accept their conclusions without question.
I though "Climate Scientists" were threatening global mass suicide if we didn't accept their conclusions without question.
One of the dumbest posts ever.