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worm
04-29-2011, 04:33 PM
Orlando MF Franklin! Welcome to Denver.

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Recruit/213/6_62311.jpg

Tell us how much you love him SoCal!

bpc
04-29-2011, 04:35 PM
I wish his eye was bowed in like D-Bo from Friday. That would be awesome.

Lycan
04-29-2011, 04:35 PM
That pic gives the impression that some reporter died soon after.

spdirty
04-29-2011, 04:37 PM
**** him for not being Paea or Austin.

Jesterhole
04-29-2011, 04:38 PM
WTF...guard in the 2nd round. WASTE.

Killericon
04-29-2011, 04:40 PM
A good pick. The wrong position. If we sign a good DT, we'll look back at this and smile.

worm
04-29-2011, 04:40 PM
More comfortable with Knowshon running behind him than I am about what we threw out there last year.

Man-Goblin
04-29-2011, 04:41 PM
Orlando is from Delray Beach and went to Miami. I believe he's the first Orlando to play in Denver since Orlando Woolridge.

listopencil
04-29-2011, 04:41 PM
Damn. Dude was born with a face mask.

bowtown
04-29-2011, 04:45 PM
WTF...guard in the 2nd round. WASTE.

Did you happen to catch our running game last season?

OBF1
04-29-2011, 04:45 PM
This guy scares Chuck Norris. Hide your babies people............NOW

KipCorrington25
04-29-2011, 04:55 PM
We need some attitude and swager this is good.

DenverBrit
04-29-2011, 05:00 PM
WTF...guard in the 2nd round. WASTE.

He was drafted to play RT.

tsiguy96
04-29-2011, 05:01 PM
told he will play RT on this team, per mike klis.

byebye harris. hello movement towards a "nasty" running game.

OrangeSe7en
04-29-2011, 05:02 PM
He was drafted to play RT.

Has this been confirmed? How do we know Beadles or Kuper arent moving to RT?

Shoemaker
04-29-2011, 05:03 PM
Has this been confirmed? How do we know Beadles or Kuper arent moving to RT?

According to Klis on Twitter, the Broncos coaches have told him he'll be a RT.

Boomhauer
04-29-2011, 05:03 PM
Him and Kuper and gonna beat some DLmen az
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/files/2010/06/kuper.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3213/2837799610_fa34524fe3.jpg

bpc
04-29-2011, 05:04 PM
Watched some film on him over youtube. Looks ok. Mauler means he'll wrestle with you. Size means he often wins battles in the phone booth. Not great feet. Just ok. Good run blocker, pass blocker.... I fear there could be some look out blocks.

Ratboy
04-29-2011, 05:05 PM
told he will play RT on this team, per mike klis.

byebye harris. hello movement towards a "nasty" running game.

This is an excellent choice.

We're not a passing team, we need an aggressive run blocker.

Garcia Bronco
04-29-2011, 05:07 PM
Nice pick. While I again do not understand the complete lack of selections for the d-line; I appauld this pick.

DenverBrit
04-29-2011, 05:10 PM
Has this been confirmed? How do we know Beadles or Kuper arent moving to RT?

"Orlando Franklin is a big, tough tackle who plays physical," Broncos vice president John Elway said on Twitter. "He's got the attitude we want on the offensive line."

Franklin played both guard and tackle for the Hurricanes. However, during a teleconference he was told by the Broncos that he will play right tackle.

Read more: NFL draft live: Broncos draft UCLA safety Rahim Moore and Miami OT Orlando Franklin - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_17959827#ixzz1Kxc5Pgrb

rbackfactory80
04-29-2011, 05:12 PM
Fox is not gonna settle for going 4 and out on the goal line all year long. Not to mention Harris only plays 1/4 of the season.

Chris
04-29-2011, 05:12 PM
This guy will protect Tebow's blindside.

Kaylore
04-29-2011, 05:15 PM
Goodbye, Ryan Harris!

footstepsfrom#27
04-29-2011, 05:16 PM
Nice pick. While I again do not understand the complete lack of selections for the d-line; I appauld this pick.
That is perplexing isn't it? It's almost as if the same mind was in control of our draft for the last 25 or so years huh?

rbackfactory80
04-29-2011, 05:20 PM
That is perplexing isn't it? It's almost as if the same mind was in control of our draft for the last 25 or so years huh?

Fox is obviously thinking he is going to be out-scheming other teams.

gunns
04-29-2011, 05:20 PM
He is one huge, nasty looking guy. Clady on one side, Franklin on the other. Nice. He'll scare the hell out of, oh, say Shaun Phillips.

Old Dude
04-29-2011, 05:23 PM
Big. Nasty. Dude.

crush17
04-29-2011, 05:25 PM
had to get the best available at a position of need considering this regime has made it clear we are moving forward without Harris.

alkemical
04-29-2011, 05:25 PM
he scares white folk...

footstepsfrom#27
04-29-2011, 05:29 PM
Fox is obviously thinking he is going to be out-scheming other teams.
R66v6s and Shanny I get...both were in love with smallish finesse type D-line guys and McD was just a moron, but John Fox had a devestating d-line in Carolina, and he knows the importance of those guys. Yet here he is, sitting alonside Elway and refuisng to draft d-linemen even when they are staring him straight in the face so that it's almost laughable not to take one or more of these guys if your'e Denver. But no...we need another coverage safety and an OT instead.

I'm convinced now that Bowlen is the sole voice in this war room that matters. There is no other plausible explanation.

Requiem
04-29-2011, 05:32 PM
Absolutely fantastic pick for the Broncos value wise and it addresses a need. With the run on tackles, Denver definitely got the best they could do there.

Now you have Clady, Beadles, Walton, Kuper and Franklin on the OL as starters long-term. Outside a few late selections or FA, we are fine there for a while.

tsiguy96
04-29-2011, 05:36 PM
R66v6s and Shanny I get...both were in love with smallish finesse type D-line guys and McD was just a moron, but John Fox had a devestating d-line in Carolina, and he knows the importance of those guys. Yet here he is, sitting alonside Elway and refuisng to draft d-linemen even when they are staring him straight in the face so that it's almost laughable not to take one or more of these guys if your'e Denver. But no...we need another coverage safety and an OT instead.

I'm convinced now that Bowlen is the sole voice in this war room that matters. There is no other plausible explanation.

he had a nasty dline because he drafted good dlineman, didnt reach for dlineman when there was better options on hte board. no good dlineman on the board that will contribute to being a nasty dline? then dont take one and pray.

Lestat
04-29-2011, 05:37 PM
this will help protect Tebow and should open up right side for Knowshon to run through. i still want another RB and for them to draft 2 DT's but i like this draft a lot so far.

Orange4Life
04-29-2011, 05:37 PM
If he plays half as mean as he looks we are in great shape

Arkie
04-29-2011, 05:41 PM
http://doodiepants.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/tommy-lister-debo.jpg

footstepsfrom#27
04-29-2011, 05:46 PM
he had a nasty dline because he drafted good dlineman, didnt reach for dlineman when there was better options on hte board. no good dlineman on the board that will contribute to being a nasty dline? then dont take one and pray.
That was McD's excuse. You're honestlly telling me they had nobody worth taking? Odd that the Giants and Chicago took Austin and Paea huh? Would you say those teams know d-linemen better than Denver? I would...in a heart beat.

The fact is...there is no explanation that satisfactorily explains why this team year in and year out skips over d-line guys high in the draft when they continue to have one of the NFL's worst defensive lines...none except one; the same person is guiding the process every time, and that guy is Bowlen. Bowlen is the reason this team doesn't value defensive linemen. As bizarre as that sounds, it's the only answer that makes any sense and fits the facts.

tsiguy96
04-29-2011, 05:53 PM
That was McD's excuse. You're honestlly telling me they had nobody worth taking? Odd that the Giants and Chicago took Austin and Paea huh? Would you say those teams know d-linemen better than Denver? I would...in a heart beat.

The fact is...there is no explanation that satisfactorily explains why this team year in and year out skips over d-line guys high in the draft when they continue to have one of the NFL's worst defensive lines...none except one; the same person is guiding the process every time, and that guy is Bowlen. Bowlen is the reason this team doesn't value defensive linemen. As bizarre as that sounds, it's the only answer that makes any sense and fits the facts.

Hilarious!

yes, pat bowlen insists this team does not draft DTs

Mogulseeker
04-29-2011, 06:03 PM
A. Did we retain Harris?
B. Can this guy play center?

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 06:14 PM
Love this guy.

I think he'll end up being a Bronco fan favorite.

Dagmar
04-29-2011, 06:19 PM
Don't cut your hair.

No off-season basketball.

footstepsfrom#27
04-29-2011, 06:19 PM
Hilarious!

yes, pat bowlen insists this team does not draft DTs
Do you have a better explanation as to why this team over his entire stewardship has consistently failed to draft d-line talent? If there was EVER a draft to take these guys, this was it...yet ONCE AGAIN, we come up empty.

If it's not Bowlen...what then? Show me an answer to that question that accounts for why this happens every single year.

yerner
04-29-2011, 06:23 PM
Do you have a better explanation as to why this team over his entire stewardship has consistently failed to draft d-line talent? If there was EVER a draft to take these guys, this was it...yet ONCE AGAIN, we come up empty.

If it's not Bowlen...what then? Show me an answer to that question that accounts for why this happens every single year.

I have to agree. I know nothing about any of them except Moore. I'm a Zona fan, so I watch. He's ok. But to not take a chance on a d line guy is a bad move for this team.

Dukes
04-29-2011, 06:38 PM
Bad time for SoCal to be gone. I'm anxiously awaiting to hear what he thinks about this guy.

mhgaffney
04-29-2011, 07:07 PM
That was McD's excuse. You're honestlly telling me they had nobody worth taking? Odd that the Giants and Chicago took Austin and Paea huh? Would you say those teams know d-linemen better than Denver? I would...in a heart beat.

The fact is...there is no explanation that satisfactorily explains why this team year in and year out skips over d-line guys high in the draft when they continue to have one of the NFL's worst defensive lines...none except one; the same person is guiding the process every time, and that guy is Bowlen. Bowlen is the reason this team doesn't value defensive linemen. As bizarre as that sounds, it's the only answer that makes any sense and fits the facts.

If you cared about the planet even 10% as much as you obsess about Denver's D line, the war machine would have been dismantled, climate change would have been resolved, along with the deficit and we'd have high wage jobs jobs jobs and full employment.

SoCalBronco
04-29-2011, 07:21 PM
Orlando MF Franklin! Welcome to Denver.

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Recruit/213/6_62311.jpg

Tell us how much you love him SoCal!

I don't love him that much. I hope he's a better pro than he was a collegian. He's got good size and looks the part, but he was probably our 3rd best OL this past season (behind Brandon Washington and true freshman Seantrel Henderson).

Orlando has issues with penalties. He takes alot of them...and can kill drives that way. He has some issues with good pass rushers, too. He's got a long way to go. I'd be surprised if he could start from Day 1 as a RT in the NFL. I hope he does well here, but people shouldn't be expecting the moon. He's got a long way to go to be an effective starting NFL tackle. I hope Fox's OL coach can coach him up.

Ordinarily, I love to pimp my Canes but we could have done better than this. I sincerely and truly hope I'm wrong.

:(

SoCalBronco
04-29-2011, 07:59 PM
To add to my post above...I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade or be a Debbie Downer, I'm just giving my thoughts based on watching him as a player for my college team.

I know ESPN among other outlets have suggested in various reports that he might eventually be a guard and that could be accurate. I'm just not really convinced Orlando can handle the pass pro duties of a tackle in the league. He'll probably clean up his penalty issues with NFL coaches working full time with him (as opposed to the NCAA 20 hour rule), but he does have a ways to go as a prospect and he may very well end up at guard, which might accentuate his skills in the run game.

We'll see what happens. Like I said I hope he does real well here, but I just dont want people to have these huge expectations. He's not an elite talent and he's got issues in his game that he'll need to work long and hard on. Hopefully he can do some good things for this team at guard or tackle in the long term. He's got some talent. We'll see. With regard to the short term, if the team's intent is to get rid of Harris (as this pick would suggest), I think it would be best to get a veteran RT to play this season, as I highly, highly doubt you can just plug Franklin in as an NFL RT. It's going to take some time and it may be he's a better guard in the end.

BroncoMan4ever
04-29-2011, 08:20 PM
WTF...guard in the 2nd round. WASTE.

more than likely Harris replacement, and Tebow's blind side protector

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 08:20 PM
I don't love him that much. I hope he's a better pro than he was a collegian. He's got good size and looks the part, but he was probably our 3rd best OL this past season (behind Brandon Washington and true freshman Seantrel Henderson).

Orlando has issues with penalties. He takes alot of them...and can kill drives that way. He has some issues with good pass rushers, too. He's got a long way to go. I'd be surprised if he could start from Day 1 as a RT in the NFL. I hope he does well here, but people shouldn't be expecting the moon. He's got a long way to go to be an effective starting NFL tackle. I hope Fox's OL coach can coach him up.

Ordinarily, I love to pimp my Canes but we could have done better than this. I sincerely and truly hope I'm wrong.

:(

Really? I'll defer to you on Cane players, but I hated seeing him every year as a Clemson fan. Seemed to be a nasty, mean, big SOB who would maul over you if you got in his way. 6'5" 323 and mean and hard charging. What don't you like? Frankly, I was more impressed by him than Washington or Henderson.

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 08:23 PM
To add to my post above...I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade or be a Debbie Downer, I'm just giving my thoughts based on watching him as a player for my college team.

I know ESPN among other outlets have suggested in various reports that he might eventually be a guard and that could be accurate. I'm just not really convinced Orlando can handle the pass pro duties of a tackle in the league. He'll probably clean up his penalty issues with NFL coaches working full time with him (as opposed to the NCAA 20 hour rule), but he does have a ways to go as a prospect and he may very well end up at guard, which might accentuate his skills in the run game.

We'll see what happens. Like I said I hope he does real well here, but I just dont want people to have these huge expectations. He's not an elite talent and he's got issues in his game that he'll need to work long and hard on. Hopefully he can do some good things for this team at guard or tackle in the long term. He's got some talent. We'll see. With regard to the short term, if the team's intent is to get rid of Harris (as this pick would suggest), I think it would be best to get a veteran RT to play this season, as I highly, highly doubt you can just plug Franklin in as an NFL RT. It's going to take some time and it may be he's a better guard in the end.

My guess (and it may be an ignorant one) is that Beadles goes to RT (where I thought he showed promise) and Franklin plays LG. I think he will be a beast at that spot, but we'll see. I give our draft a B so far. Like all the prospects we got, but thought there was equal value at DT when we picked at 45 and 46.

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 08:25 PM
Do you have a better explanation as to why this team over his entire stewardship has consistently failed to draft d-line talent? If there was EVER a draft to take these guys, this was it...yet ONCE AGAIN, we come up empty.

If it's not Bowlen...what then? Show me an answer to that question that accounts for why this happens every single year.


So you're still saying that we've never drafted d-line in the entire time Bowlen has owned this team?

Or, AGAIN, are you saying that we have drafted d-line but they haven't panned out - BUSTED - and insisting that it's Bowlens fault that they ended up being....ummmmm.... NOT TALENTED?

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 08:29 PM
Do you have a better explanation as to why this team over his entire stewardship has consistently failed to draft d-line talent?

The burden is on you as the claimant to show the connection between Bowlen and our draft selections. By all accounts, he has given that athourity to the head coach (under Reeves, Shanny, and McD) exclusively. I'm not even arguing that the picks haven't been bad, but where is the evidence that Bowlen was involved with player personnel at any point during his ownership? There's no evidence at all. Quite the contrary in fact. Stupid idea.

SoCalBronco
04-29-2011, 08:32 PM
My guess (and it may be an ignorant one) is that Beadles goes to RT (where I thought he showed promise) and Franklin plays LG. I think he will be a beast at that spot, but we'll see. I give our draft a B so far. Like all the prospects we got, but thought there was equal value at DT when we picked at 45 and 46.

That may very well be the case and is probably a very good suggestion as well (Beadles-RT, Franklin-LG). See what Beadles can do at RT in Year 2 and try Franklin out at LG. They'll try him first at RT ofcourse as they should. He did play LT last year for Miami, after all. I'm still not seeing tackle in the pro's for him, though, unless he makes some serious strides. He's not a very good pass protector. While the right side is generally reserved for better run blocking tackles, you still need to have some decent degree of competence and in our case, it is Tebow's blind side. He's got a good deal of work to do to get to a point where you can put him out there at RT in the pass game. It's partly why he's taking more than his fair share of holding penalties.

BTW, I do disagree with you as to Washington and Henderson vis a vis Franklin. Washington is a big time talent and Henderson is going to end up as a Top 3 pick and an elite NFL run blocker if he keeps his attitude in line and drops his sense of entitlement.

bpc
04-29-2011, 08:50 PM
To add to my post above...I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade or be a Debbie Downer, I'm just giving my thoughts based on watching him as a player for my college team.

I know ESPN among other outlets have suggested in various reports that he might eventually be a guard and that could be accurate. I'm just not really convinced Orlando can handle the pass pro duties of a tackle in the league. He'll probably clean up his penalty issues with NFL coaches working full time with him (as opposed to the NCAA 20 hour rule), but he does have a ways to go as a prospect and he may very well end up at guard, which might accentuate his skills in the run game.

We'll see what happens. Like I said I hope he does real well here, but I just dont want people to have these huge expectations. He's not an elite talent and he's got issues in his game that he'll need to work long and hard on. Hopefully he can do some good things for this team at guard or tackle in the long term. He's got some talent. We'll see. With regard to the short term, if the team's intent is to get rid of Harris (as this pick would suggest), I think it would be best to get a veteran RT to play this season, as I highly, highly doubt you can just plug Franklin in as an NFL RT. It's going to take some time and it may be he's a better guard in the end.

He looks like a mauler in the truest sense of the word and with guys like that, you put them in the phone booth position (guard), protect their perimeter and let them go at it.

I think he has a chance to be a solid guard in the Brian Habib mold, bigger guy. I'm not sold on him pass blocking professional sack masters on the edge either.

Perry1977
04-29-2011, 09:09 PM
This just in: Orlando Franklin doesn't like to smile because he thinks it makes him look like Barney. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTU51tPyVxA&NR=1

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 10:25 PM
This just in: Orlando Franklin doesn't like to smile because he thinks it makes him look like Barney. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTU51tPyVxA&NR=1

He does look a bit like Barney. The evil barney.

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 10:26 PM
Here are his highlights as a guard in '09. He looks like a solid run blocker on the interior...has no problems moving OU's Adrian Taylor around there (who had a nice year in '09).

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Hamrob
04-29-2011, 10:37 PM
If you watch the"Fox" presser....you will hear him say, that he was hoping for a DT. It sounds like the had these other guys rated higher and stuck to their script. Yet, he was still disapointed. Seems like he thought one of those DT's would be there at #67.

schaaf
04-29-2011, 10:49 PM
it was rumored that Fox wanted Jarvis Jenkins in the second.

enjolras
04-30-2011, 12:20 AM
I think the minute Liuget was off the board our chances of taking a DT dwindled to zero.

ZONA
04-30-2011, 01:43 AM
**** him for not being Paea or Austin.

I think Paea is not going to end up being that good. With those short arms he had some difficulty shedding blockers in college. The NFL guards and centers will lock him up and shut him down.

C130Herkload
04-30-2011, 01:44 AM
RT= watching Tebow's (the new starter BTW..) a$$. Gotta get an animal there and looks like we didi it.

Carmelo15
04-30-2011, 11:29 AM
Found this on the Denver Broncos forum:

Orlando Franklin Thoughts from a Miami Fan
Gentleman, you got a steal.

I have been watching Miami my whole life. Catch a ton of practices, every scrimmage, and obviously every game. Every year I see guys who go on to major NFL success. Whether it's first rounders like Jon Beason or undrafted future studs like Sam Shields and Antonio Dixon, I've seen them all and I know what they look like. Take this to the bank: Orlando Franklin is going to be a major stud in the NFL. I could've sworn the Steelers would take him, he is that type of player.

Franklin has been playing from the moment he got to Miami and has consistently played well against top competition. As a freshman, he dominated Chris Long a couple times, to the point that Chris Long found him on Facebook and posted "See you in the league." Last year, he played left tackle against USF and completely shut down Jason Pierre-Paul and George Selvie. This year, he did a great job on Da'quan Bowers.

And that's as a pass protector. His real strength is the run game. Franklin has a rare combo-- freakish size and explosion with the nastiness of an undersized lineman. He is huge and very explosive-- when healthy he is 5 flat 40. He is not athletic in a basketball player, finesse way, but he can run and packs a punch. More important, UM OL coaches told me he graded out nearly perfect in effort every single game. He is a mean player whose motor never runs cold. Watch highlights from UM's win against Oklahoma-- he toyed with Gerald McCoy at times.

Personality wise, he is an energetic and interesting kid. Definitely a loud guy, but its passion. Keeps the energy high. Grew up with some money, Jamaican/Canadian background. But this is not a prima donna, this is a grinder who relishes the violence of the game.

And let's not ignore the obvious- Miami players end to very well in the pros. They don't just make teams, they make Pro Bowls and do it quickly. That's a direct result of the confident, competitive mentality that's ingrained. Great, great pick that you guys will be toasting by the end of the year.

mhgaffney
04-30-2011, 11:36 AM
That's an impressive endorsement.

If this is accurate, he will probably start, from day one.

We need to be able to make those third and one or two situations. A grinder would help.

Inkana7
04-30-2011, 11:44 AM
As long as he becomes a good, solid starter somewhere for us I don't see any need to complain about this pick.

Mogulseeker
04-30-2011, 12:16 PM
Just curious, was Paea still on the board when we drafted Franklin? If he was, I'll say this pick could have been better spent.

cutthemdown
04-30-2011, 12:28 PM
WTF...guard in the 2nd round. WASTE.

Why? we need interior oline bad.

tsiguy96
04-30-2011, 12:29 PM
Just curious, was Paea still on the board when we drafted Franklin? If he was, I'll say this pick could have been better spent.

he was on the board for like 12 picks after our pick too...

i have a feeling that while people really wanted him, it may be the OM overrating the guy because we need DT so bad. that doesnt really turn out well, ever.

cutthemdown
04-30-2011, 12:30 PM
Also I keep telling people every Bronco unit stunk! It wasn't just the dline. Our backers stunk, or safetys stunk, and yes the oline played soft. The rookies McDaniels drafted did not look physical or imposing. Uh this guy? Hmmm who would you rather meet in an alley, this guy or any current Broncos player? LOL

Good good he looks nasty.

cutthemdown
04-30-2011, 12:32 PM
he was on the board for like 12 picks after our pick too...

i have a feeling that while people really wanted him, it may be the OM overrating the guy because we need DT so bad. that doesnt really turn out well, ever.

Ya think? That's like Newton saying hmmmm something might be pulling things towards the ground! No Tsiguy you are 100% correct. The fast he didn't go the pick or 2 after tells you he wasn't a value pick at that spot for what the scouts though.

Obviously any of the players could be a stud, you never know. But Broncos doing well by what most of the so called experts think.

I really think you will see the Broncos grab a name at DT in FA and make people a tad more happy.

tsiguy96
04-30-2011, 12:32 PM
Also I keep telling people every Bronco unit stunk! It wasn't just the dline. Our backers stunk, or safetys stunk, and yes the oline played soft. The rookies McDaniels drafted did not look physical or imposing. Uh this guy? Hmmm who would you rather meet in an alley, this guy or any current Broncos player? LOL

Good good he looks nasty.

agreed for sure...not many guys last year played in a way that makes them irreplaceable

cutthemdown
04-30-2011, 12:39 PM
agreed for sure...not many guys last year played in a way that makes them irreplaceable

I agree. When you get blown out like Broncos did by Oakland that tells you the team has serious issues. In a way this pick tells me that Elway thought same thing I did. Broncos interior oline is soft and Kuper needs some ****ing help.