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BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 05:30 PM
Bet all of these teams at one point or another felt the same way.....so they tried to address it.

Top defensive tackle taken by year (2000-2009)

2009- BJ Raji (Boston College) 9th by Packers

2008- Glenn Dorsey (LSU) 5th by Chiefs

2007- Amobi Okoye (Louisville) 10th by Texans

2006- Haloti Ngata (Oregon) 12th by Ravens

2005- Travis Johnson (Florida State) 16th by Texans

2004- Tommie Harris (Oklahoma) 14th by Bears

2003- Dewayne Robertson (Kentucky) 4th by Jets

2002- Ryan Sims (North Carolina) 6th by Chiefs

2001- Gerard Warren (Florida) 3rd by Browns

2000- Corey Simon (Florida State) 6th by Eagles

1999- Anthony McFarland (LSU) 15th by Buccaneers

1998- Jason Peter (Nebraska) 14th by Panthers

1997- Darrell Russell (USC) 2nd by Raiders

1996- Daryl Gardner (Baylor) 20th by Dolphins

1995- Derrick Alexander (Florida State) 11th by Vikings

1994- Dan Wilkinson (Ohio State) 1st by Bengals

1993- Leonard Renfro (Colorado) 24th by Eagles

1992- Steve Emtman (Washington) 1st by Colts

1991- Russell Maryland (Miami) 1st by Cowboys

1990- Cortez Kennedy (Miami) 3rd by Seahawks

Bold=Pro Bowler

6 of those twenty players have ever made a Pro Bowl. Only 2, Tommie Harris and Cortez Kennedy have made multiple. Take away 1990 and 1991 and those numbers shrink to 4, 1, and 18. Keep in mind both of those picks in 1990 and 1991 were top 3 picks.

Yes, but you can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket.....

LRtagger
04-29-2011, 05:30 PM
get on with the pick

*WARHORSE*
04-29-2011, 05:30 PM
I believe Elway is doing what he said he was going to do.......draft four STARTERS.


Remember, DTs that come in usually have a hard time adjusting in the NFL.

Thomas came in with lots of potential, but potential doesnt play itself out as readily at the DT position as others.


I believe Denver is drafting starters, and after round three, they will use the rest of the picks to work on 'potential' players.


If our first four picks start.........IM ALL FOR IT!!


Go BRONCOS.

broncosteven
04-29-2011, 05:30 PM
Enough about the lack of DT picks, this team has so many holes DT is just one position of many.

I am glad we addressed the pass rush with Miller, our Ends are set, we got a Saftey and a guy to protect Tebow. So far we have addressed 3 needs.

At this point I think getting a TE Is more important than DT, we don't have a TE and we need one to give our QB an underneath or seam option.

I would be happy if we got a TE next, I like to hope that the FO has a plan for DT this year. We do have a D oriented HC for once, he has to have FA targets or late round rotational guys still on his board.

Fact is that the cluster **** from the last idiot is going to take time to fix.

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 05:32 PM
Maybe the Broncos go RB at 67?

phibacka31
04-29-2011, 05:33 PM
Maybe the Broncos go RB at 67?

WHO?
I'd wait...

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 05:33 PM
Enough about the lack of DT picks, this team has so many holes DT is just one position of many.

I am glad we addressed the pass rush with Miller, our Ends are set, we got a Saftey and a guy to protect Tebow. So far we have addressed 3 needs.

At this point I think getting a TE Is more important than DT, we don't have a TE and we need one to give our QB an underneath or seam option.

I would be happy if we got a TE next, I like to hope that the FO has a plan for DT this year. We do have a D oriented HC for once, he has to have FA targets or late round rotational guys still on his board.

Fact is that the cluster **** from the last idiot is going to take time to fix.

shanny or McD's cluster on defense?

KO5K
04-29-2011, 05:33 PM
6 of those twenty players have ever made a Pro Bowl. Only 2, Tommie Harris and Cortez Kennedy have made multiple. Take away 1990 and 1991 and those numbers shrink to 4, 1, and 18. Keep in mind both of those picks in 1990 and 1991 were top 3 picks.

Who gives a ****?

Do we just keep ignoring it and then kid ourselves into thinking we're doing the right thing just because DTs don't always work out?

You better not complain when Jamal Charles destroys us for above 200 yards next year...

Requiem
04-29-2011, 05:34 PM
Thomas is probably a guy who was in our top five consideration there. Miami got a good back.

crush17
04-29-2011, 05:35 PM
We are 2-3 seasons away. Bottom line.

More drafts like this and we'll be competing for the playoffs.

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 05:35 PM
Yes, but you can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket.....

I'd rather buy experience and production than draft disappointment. Say we draft our great DT need and he's nothing more than a huge bust. No big deal as the pick was a low rounder and didn't cost us much money right? But drafting that 'guy' lowered our FA search to maybe the 3rd or 4th tier DT that may be available.

If we REALLY need to draft at DT then wait until you find the guy that absolutely love, can't go without him - and then draft him. Apparently there wasn't one guy so far that the guys felt were good enough to trump someone else at a position of need so they didn't reach for him. I'm completely fine with that, why draft someone you really don't like just because you 'need' that position.

listopencil
04-29-2011, 05:35 PM
Bet all of these teams at one point or another felt the same way.....so they tried to address it. Six of those twenty players have ever made a Pro Bowl. Only 2, Tommie Harris and Cortez Kennedy have made multiple. Take away 1990 and 1991 and those numbers shrink to 4, 1, and 18. Keep in mind both of those picks in 1990 and 1991 were top 3 picks.



Well, first of all, the Pro Bowl is absolutely NOT the be and end all measurement for success as a DT. Not by any means. I would be interested to see that same stat for QB's, and if it proves to be similar whether you think that makes a good argument for not drafting one when you don't have any.

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 05:36 PM
Kendall Hunter is a VERY good running back still on the board.... also possible with our next pick....

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 05:37 PM
Who gives a ****?

Do we just keep ignoring it and then kid ourselves into thinking we're doing the right thing just because DTs don't always work out?

You better not complain when Jamal Charles destroys us for above 200 yards next year...

No problem.

Actually i'm a Charles fan but whatever.

Just make sure you don't use any of the Chiefs D-line busts against Boob or any of the other Chiefs fans here - see, it works both ways.

Rookie
04-29-2011, 05:37 PM
Just to throw a name that might go to Denver, How about Virgil Green? We need a TE pretty badly also.

oubronco
04-29-2011, 05:37 PM
Vickerson, Fields, and McBean striking fear into running games ...........Ah hell who am I kidding

LRtagger
04-29-2011, 05:38 PM
McClain or Casey in the 3rd

Demarco Murray in the 4th to replace Buckhalter

Requiem
04-29-2011, 05:38 PM
Just to throw a name that might go to Denver, How about Virgil Green? We need a TE pretty badly also.

Would not be bad selection at all.

Is Luke Stocker still on board as well?

Broncoman13
04-29-2011, 05:38 PM
Thomas is probably a guy who was in our top five consideration there. Miami got a good back.
What is your take on Moore and Franklin?

NUB
04-29-2011, 05:38 PM
Quan Sturdivant still up there? Would be an excellent pick in the 3rd.

phibacka31
04-29-2011, 05:38 PM
I REALLY want Foster or Martez Wilson

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 05:39 PM
Well, first of all, the Pro Bowl is absolutely NOT the be and end all measurement for success as a DT. Not by any means. I would be interested to see that same stat for QB's, and if it proves to be similar whether you think that makes a good argument for not drafting one when you don't have any.

Actually I completely agree with this. Now go tell the Suh fans the same thing, maybe they'll start to understand.

The article was actually comparing the 2 positions you talk about - QB and DT to determine which of the 2 are the worst positions to pick 1st round in the draft. Weird huh?

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 05:39 PM
packers take randall cobb, another wr

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 05:40 PM
There goes the second round. Two picks away

Requiem
04-29-2011, 05:40 PM
Jesus Christ, the Packers are going to pass at will again. WOO.

Lycan
04-29-2011, 05:40 PM
What the hell does Green Bay need another WR for? Did one they have leave?

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 05:41 PM
I want Colin McCarthy.

And no, it's not because I come from a long line of McCarthys. ;D

Requiem
04-29-2011, 05:41 PM
What is your take on Moore and Franklin?

Great selections. Starters.

Moore's weaknesses are lessened in our schemes we will have in coverage with Allen, especially with all the 2 and 3 zones.

Absolutely thrilled with this draft.

LOVE IT.

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 05:41 PM
At the start of the 3rd, here's my top 10 left overall:


Justin Houston
Christian Ballard
Leonard Hankerson
Jurrell Casey
Martez Wilson
Jerrel Jernigan
Allen Bailey
Marcus Cannon
Ryan Mallett 
Clint Boling

phibacka31
04-29-2011, 05:42 PM
Great selections. Starters.

Moore's weaknesses are lessened in our schemes we will have in coverage with Allen, especially with all the 2 and 3 zones.

Absolutely thrilled with this draft.

LOVE IT.

ME TOO^5

crush17
04-29-2011, 05:42 PM
Great selections. Starters.

Moore's weaknesses are lessened in our schemes we will have in coverage with Allen, especially with all the 2 and 3 zones.

Absolutely thrilled with this draft.

LOVE IT.

Gotta say I agree with ya.

Carmelo15
04-29-2011, 05:42 PM
Jurrell Casey could be a nice pick for us. A very good run stopper

srphoenix
04-29-2011, 05:43 PM
What the hell does Green Bay need another WR for? Did one they have leave?

James Jones is a free agent and Driver is one of the oldest WR in the league, I traded up in our OM mock draft to take Torrey Smith for them in the 2nd, Kobb should be a good pick for them.

oubronco
04-29-2011, 05:43 PM
At the start of the 3rd, here's my top 10 left overall:


Justin Houston
Christian Ballard
Leonard Hankerson
Jurrell Casey
Martez Wilson
Jerrel Jernigan
Allen Bailey
Marcus Cannon
Ryan Mallett 
Clint Boling

I'd throw Mason Foster in the mix

gunns
04-29-2011, 05:43 PM
How do ESPN and NFL coordinate their commercials at the same time and during the Broncos pick?

Lycan
04-29-2011, 05:43 PM
James Jones is a free agent and Driver is one of the oldest WR in the league, I traded up in our OM mock draft to take Torrey Smith for them in the 2nd, Kobb should be a good pick for them.

Your right, I forgot how old Driver is. He sure doesn't play his age.

oubronco
04-29-2011, 05:44 PM
caplannfl (http://twitter.com/#!/caplannfl) Adam Caplan



Bengals took Moch.

2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#!/caplannfl/status/64127471079014400)

srphoenix
04-29-2011, 05:44 PM
Broncos almost on the clock, hoping for either DT or MLB!

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 05:44 PM
I'd throw Mason Foster in the mix

The board isn't who I like, necessarily -- just the board I constructed for the OM Mock draft this year....

Mason Foster would be a day 1 starter for us, IMO.

Requiem
04-29-2011, 05:45 PM
Likely Picks IMHO:

Allen Bailey
Christian Ballard
Jurrell Casey
Martez Wilson
Mason Foster
Leonard Hankerson
Edmond Gates
Jerrel Jernigan

Cosmo
04-29-2011, 05:45 PM
Please no Mallet

Requiem
04-29-2011, 05:45 PM
There goes Moch, could have been a guy too. Mason Foster or Wilson I'd guess here. Maybe McClain or Casey on the DL.

listopencil
04-29-2011, 05:45 PM
Actually I completely agree with this. Now go tell the Suh fans the same thing, maybe they'll start to understand.

The article was actually comparing the 2 positions you talk about - QB and DT to determine which of the 2 are the worst positions to pick 1st round in the draft. Weird huh?

Lol, that's hilarious.

StugotsIII
04-29-2011, 05:46 PM
Please no Mallet

They are sold on Tebow....No Mallet.

LRtagger
04-29-2011, 05:46 PM
McClain or Casey in the 3rd


damnit

srphoenix
04-29-2011, 05:46 PM
Your right, I forgot how old Driver is. He sure doesn't play his age.

Living in GB Driver is the king of this town, hes on more local commercials than all the other packers combined. He's a very cool guy and has kept his body in superb condition, but I think this might be his last year. Broncos next on the clock!!!!

Requiem
04-29-2011, 05:46 PM
Dammit, they took McClain -- wow, it's pretty much Casey here or Kenrick Ellis.

listopencil
04-29-2011, 05:46 PM
So... how about Drake Nevis?

mhgaffney
04-29-2011, 05:47 PM
OUTSTANDING!

I see we now have a 4th and a 5th rounder -- from the 49er trade.

Two additional picks.

Requiem
04-29-2011, 05:48 PM
Nevis is there too, that's value if he's it.

srphoenix
04-29-2011, 05:48 PM
Bengals took Dontay Moch, he's definitely gonna be one of the most interesting prospects to see how he develops

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 05:48 PM
slim pickens for the Broncos now...

Carmelo15
04-29-2011, 05:48 PM
I want Colin McCarthy.

And no, it's not because I come from a long line of McCarthys. ;D

Me too but I'm Cane biased :~ohyah!:

oubronco
04-29-2011, 05:48 PM
Nate Irving?

Lestat
04-29-2011, 05:48 PM
MLB of the future? Nate Irving is a dang good player.

Lycan
04-29-2011, 05:49 PM
ILB Nate Irving is the pick.

crush17
04-29-2011, 05:49 PM
Nate Irving - ILB (NC State)

srphoenix
04-29-2011, 05:49 PM
Nate Irving? anyone got any info on this guy, is he going to be our MLB?

LRtagger
04-29-2011, 05:49 PM
ugh first pick i dont like

Broncoman13
04-29-2011, 05:49 PM
Who is Nate Irving? Not sure I have heard anyone talk about him???

broncosteven
04-29-2011, 05:49 PM
shanny or McD's cluster on defense?

I am going with mCd's Cluster **** he didn't leave us with any drafted DT's at all. We did get an injured WR in the 1st round to go with Tebow last year.

Shanny drafted DT's early and often, they weren't great but he was not afraid to use 1st and 2nd round picks on DL.

Carmelo15
04-29-2011, 05:49 PM
Nate Irving....there goes our first bust of the draft

3/4 EFX, not bad

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 05:49 PM
Broncos take Nate Irving, ILB

phibacka31
04-29-2011, 05:50 PM
When I watched Parcells draft special he had Irving top ranked ILB and ranked as a late 1st

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 05:50 PM
Nate Irving - LB

Another need position - would rather have seen one of the guys you folks were clamoring for I think. Mason or Martez?

But still fills a need.

Happy so far - aging defense, drafted defense!

gunns
04-29-2011, 05:50 PM
2-5 D?

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 05:50 PM
Nate Irving? That pick sucks. There are MUCH better ILBs on the board.

mhgaffney
04-29-2011, 05:51 PM
Here's one scouting report for Irving:

STRENGTHS

Hard hitting inside linebacker prospect
A three down 'backer - equally adept at stuffing the run, rushing the quarterback and dropping into coverage
Displays excellent instincts - diagnoses plays, times blitzes well
Fluid in coverage
Great effort in pursuit - makes plays down the line
Versatility - experience playing inside and outside
Very sudden - good burst and acceleration
Gets downhill quickly and fills running lanes
Production - 92 tackles, 21.5 TFL, 7 Scks and 6 PBUs in 2010
Hard worker - overcame adversity to return to the field in 2010 after missing 2009 due to multiple injuries from a car accident
2.5 year starter


WEAKNESSES

Durability - missed all of 2009 and part of 2008 due to injuries
Medical check - missed 2009 season as a result of a car accident including a compound fracture in his leg.
Undersized for an inside linebacker
Average speed and agility

schaaf
04-29-2011, 05:51 PM
instinctive....(im sold)

Lestat
04-29-2011, 05:51 PM
doubt it. he's a heck of a player. without the car crash in 09 he'd be a lot higher on the draft board.
Nate Irving....there goes our first bust of the draft

3/4 EFX, not bad

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 05:51 PM
I am going with mCd's Cluster **** he didn't leave us with any drafted DT's at all. We did get an injured WR in the 1st round to go with Tebow last year.

Shanny drafted DT's early and often, they weren't great but he was not afraid to use 1st and 2nd round picks on DL.

oh yah, I forgot about Toviessi and Crowder and Moss, but you go!

Requiem
04-29-2011, 05:51 PM
Irving is a solid player, but over Foster. Christ.

listopencil
04-29-2011, 05:51 PM
Top linebacker prospects: 6. Nate Irving, North Carolina State, 6-1, 231, 4-5 Irving missed the entire 2009 season after suffering a collapsed lung, cracked ribs, separated shoulder and a compound fracture in his left leg in a traffic accident. He slowly reclaimed his explosiveness throughout his senior season, and is flying a bit under the radar entering the draft. Irving produced 20.5 tackles for loss in 2010 and closed his career with 39.5. He lacks great bulk and strength, but is experienced inside and outside and has a great knack for making plays in the backfield. - Jeff Reynolds, The Sports Xchange

Lycan
04-29-2011, 05:51 PM
Bit of a reach here I think but considering all the other ILBs still on the board they must see something in him.

oubronco
04-29-2011, 05:52 PM
Nate Irving highlights

http://youtu.be/-gA-nz5OldA

broncosteven
04-29-2011, 05:52 PM
ILB is another position of need.

Looks like Fox is rebuilding the LB corps 1st, not a bad strategy.

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:52 PM
Nate Irving, eh?

Trying to replace the Predator?

StugotsIII
04-29-2011, 05:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gA-nz5OldA

schaaf
04-29-2011, 05:53 PM
I for one love this pick.... Welcome to Denver Nate Irving!!!

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 05:53 PM
Nate Irving highlights

http://youtu.be/-gA-nz5OldA

Excellent thanks!

I was just opening youtube to find out who the heck this guy is ^5

phibacka31
04-29-2011, 05:54 PM
sounds fine, just like Foster more... o well...

Inkana7
04-29-2011, 05:54 PM
ProFootballTalk ProFootballTalk
by VicLombardi
The Broncos select N.C. State LB Nate Irving with No. 67 pick. Bill Parcells thought he was a 1st rounder.

listopencil
04-29-2011, 05:54 PM
At least he does sound more like a real Mike than some of the guys I've seen rated higher. I was having problems getting scouts that separated 4-3 from 3-4 ILB's.

yerner
04-29-2011, 05:54 PM
Rahim Blows. How about a ****ing d tackle? ****.

oubronco
04-29-2011, 05:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gA-nz5OldA

Mindboggling they put in the first play :~ohyah!:

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 05:54 PM
Ranked ahead of Irving by almost everyone:

Quan Sturdivant
Kelvin Sheppard
Mason Foster
Colin McCarthy
Greg Jones

meangene
04-29-2011, 05:55 PM
I like all our picks individually. But, no DT makes no sense to me. Hope the FO has some DL sleepers they are going to pull out tomorrow or the overall grade goes to C IMO.

mhgaffney
04-29-2011, 05:55 PM
Foster is listed as an outside LB. That could explain why they took Irving. We need help on the inside.

UberBroncoMan
04-29-2011, 05:55 PM
Nate was a round 5 pick...he runs a 4.74. Martez would have been win. Must be some serious mental issues to pass him up - as he's 3 inches taller, 10lb's heavier, and runs a 4.49.

enjolras
04-29-2011, 05:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gA-nz5OldA

Ray Lewis he is not

lostknight
04-29-2011, 05:56 PM
Pretty solid draft so far. I trust John, John, Allen and the X here. If they think he is the best playmaker on the board, let's go with it.

I still want to see TE, and fill the DT void in free agency. Chances are, there are gonna be some talented tackles out there looking for work because some turk of a draftee took their job.

Ratboy
04-29-2011, 05:57 PM
I love these picks so far.

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 05:57 PM
probably a Xanders guy, eh?

Garcia Bronco
04-29-2011, 05:57 PM
Nate Irving highlights

http://youtu.be/-gA-nz5OldA

LOL...if those are his highlights...i'd hate to see his low-lights.

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 05:57 PM
Irving? Eh. LEaving Nevis and Ellis on the board? Definitely going BPA (in their minds). To be fair, Parcells loves him. Though he was 1st round caliber, and but for his 40 time might have been.

enjolras
04-29-2011, 05:57 PM
Man if that video against Virginia Tech is any indication, this is a TERRIBLE pick

oubronco
04-29-2011, 05:58 PM
After watching this i'm glad they passed on Foster

http://youtu.be/w3BOUAJnH6A

gunns
04-29-2011, 05:58 PM
Rahim Blows. How about a ****ing d tackle? ****.

Delayed reaction?

listopencil
04-29-2011, 05:58 PM
Well...I wanted three starters on D. DT, MLB and Safety. Got an O-lineman instead of a DT and an extra LB in there. Pretty close but I'm hoping we can trade for/sign a proven commodity at DT in FA.

lostknight
04-29-2011, 05:58 PM
Again, I like it. Go back and rewatch the Tebow games. We got absolutely raped by TE's being covered by linebackers.

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 05:58 PM
But you know what, if they liked those guys better than the available DTs, I can live with it. Not like they weren't need picks. Nevis and/or Ellis may slip to the 4th, who knows.

oubronco
04-29-2011, 05:58 PM
LOL...if those are his highlights...i'd hate to see his low-lights.

The first play is total FAIL

ScottXray
04-29-2011, 05:58 PM
Irving is a reach at 67...probably could have waited and got him later.

But this is a weak LB draft. guy has a huge motor and lets it go...but not good in coverage.

haven't liked the last two picks AT the position they were taken...and better players were probably available at both picks, but they do fill a need. I don't see Irving as a starter though for at least 2 years.

enjolras
04-29-2011, 05:59 PM
At about 3:00-5:00 he misses three tackles for about 50 yards, ultimately giving up a TD.

He looks weak and tackles badly.

schaaf
04-29-2011, 05:59 PM
damn you guys have to watch this film from this year....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKArcBAlXZY&feature=related

he's gonna be a stud...

Rabb
04-29-2011, 05:59 PM
I like how the consensus was "we need front 7!!!" so we go and get the best LB available and maybe the best player in the draft, then a guy to fill the MIKE spot potentially (which, we sorely needed unless you think Mays can do it)...both front 7 guys, and now it's "no no, I meant we needed front 4 guys!!!"

not to mention safety...does nobody remember how freaking bad our safety position has been the last several years....and we got the top rated one in this class?

and I am sorry, I don't mine offensive line help because our running game was absolute **** last year and our blocking was horrendous, not to mention Fox loves the running game so we needed not only depth but a damn starter in there

I honestly don't think people realize just how many gaping holes we had...unreal, we have done nothing but address needs so far and accumulate more picks but yeah, this draft is a total failure

why even bother with tomorrow right?

Garcia Bronco
04-29-2011, 05:59 PM
Man if that video against Virginia Tech is any indication, this is a TERRIBLE pick

Our offense started slow all year and in the 2nd we'd turn it up. NCST lost that game after being up 17-0

Old Dude
04-29-2011, 05:59 PM
When I watched Parcells draft special he had Irving top ranked ILB and ranked as a late 1st

Parcells knows LBs. If he had him that high, that's good enough for me.

oubronco
04-29-2011, 06:00 PM
This has to be a special teams pick

cousinal11
04-29-2011, 06:00 PM
Nate's got game.

Requiem
04-29-2011, 06:01 PM
I am not a huge fan of the Irving pick, I hope he can succeed though because it'd be a great success story. I trust Fox and his knowledge of linebackers. I had Irving as a late third or early fourth guy.

Ratboy
04-29-2011, 06:01 PM
http://asset-server.libsyn.com/assets/d/9/c/b/d9cbdb9b6f420545/NateIrvingCover450.jpg

Nasty Nate

schaaf
04-29-2011, 06:01 PM
besides a play right in the middle... he's pretty good

Broncos4tw
04-29-2011, 06:01 PM
His value mostly dropped due to his accident. I have a feeling he may end up being a steal. But like all drafts, it's wait and see.

Regardless, pretty happy. In the past, even with our needs on defense, we would have grabbed a QB, RB, and a WR.

enjolras
04-29-2011, 06:01 PM
Watching this video some more.... its getting worse. I don't get the love...he's slow to the point of attack, keeps taking god awful angles, and can't tackle.

enjolras
04-29-2011, 06:02 PM
Really nice play at about 8:00 tho.

oubronco
04-29-2011, 06:03 PM
Really nice play at about 8:00 tho.

I like the first play Hilarious!

Ratboy
04-29-2011, 06:03 PM
damn you guys have to watch this film from this year....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKArcBAlXZY&feature=related

he's gonna be a stud...

Solid video!

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 06:03 PM
Watching this video some more.... its getting worse. I don't get the love...he's slow to the point of attack, keeps taking god awful angles, and can't tackle.

If Parcells likes him, I'm gonna give him a chance. Parcells knows his LBs.

broncosteven
04-29-2011, 06:03 PM
Willie Roaf is huge!

enjolras
04-29-2011, 06:03 PM
Ok the last 7 minutes or so of the video are freaking rad. I'm on a rollercoaster of emotion:)

yerner
04-29-2011, 06:03 PM
worst highlight tape ever.

mhgaffney
04-29-2011, 06:03 PM
Nasty I like.

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 06:04 PM
Top linebacker prospects: 6. Nate Irving, North Carolina State, 6-1, 231, 4-5 Irving missed the entire 2009 season after suffering a collapsed lung, cracked ribs, separated shoulder and a compound fracture in his left leg in a traffic accident. He slowly reclaimed his explosiveness throughout his senior season, and is flying a bit under the radar entering the draft. Irving produced 20.5 tackles for loss in 2010 and closed his career with 39.5. He lacks great bulk and strength, but is experienced inside and outside and has a great knack for making plays in the backfield. - Jeff Reynolds, The Sports Xchange

The first gamble pick. Not a bad gamble considering he has shown that he's on the right track back from a devastating set of injuries.

Its impressive that he has come back. I really like that about him.

Reminds me of the US Soccer player Charlie Davies and his battle back from a near fatal car crash. Davies is doing well. Hopefully Irving is as well.

Natedog24
04-29-2011, 06:04 PM
Parcells knows LBs. If he had him that high, that's good enough for me.

Agreed

broncosteven
04-29-2011, 06:04 PM
Belly about to pull a mCd?

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 06:04 PM
Mallet to NE

SureShot
04-29-2011, 06:05 PM
Parcells and Fox love the guy, good enough for me.

broncosteven
04-29-2011, 06:05 PM
The first gamble pick. Not a bad gamble considering he has shown that he's on the right track back from a devastating set of injuries.

Its impressive that he has come back. I really like that about him.

Reminds me of the US Soccer player Charlie Davies and his battle back from a near fatal car crash. Davies is doing well. Hopefully Irving is as well.

At least it was a non football related injury(s) it is not like taking a flyer on Wille Middlebrooks or Paul Tovessi

enjolras
04-29-2011, 06:06 PM
NC State did not have a good defense.

crush17
04-29-2011, 06:06 PM
I like how the consensus was "we need front 7!!!" so we go and get the best LB available and maybe the best player in the draft, then a guy to fill the MIKE spot potentially (which, we sorely needed unless you think Mays can do it)...both front 7 guys, and now it's "no no, I meant we needed front 4 guys!!!"

not to mention safety...does nobody remember how freaking bad our safety position has been the last several years....and we got the top rated one in this class?

and I am sorry, I don't mine offensive line help because our running game was absolute **** last year and our blocking was horrendous, not to mention Fox loves the running game so we needed not only depth but a damn starter in there

I honestly don't think people realize just how many gaping holes we had...unreal, we have done nothing but address needs so far and accumulate more picks but yeah, this draft is a total failure

why even bother with tomorrow right?



Exactly. We were 4-12.

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 06:06 PM
Ok the last 7 minutes or so of the video are freaking rad. I'm on a rollercoaster of emotion:)

That's a bad highlight tape. He was a dmeon at Nc State. Killed Clemson (my alma matar) a couple times.

StugotsIII
04-29-2011, 06:07 PM
The Irving pick was a reach:

Scout grades for ILB's in 3rd round:

Irving: 61
Wilson: 81
Sheppard: 80

Yikes...hopefully they saw something that translates...

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 06:08 PM
I like this Irving. He plays with fire in his gut.

I'm impressed with the draft so far. The Broncos staff was well prepared and came away with some guys who will fill immediate roles on the team. Irving looks like a classic special teams maven.

srphoenix
04-29-2011, 06:08 PM
His got some things to work on thats for sure, but he looks like he's got a good nose for the ball on run d and hits hard when he gets there. I just hope he's a smart ferocious leader along the lines of Al Wilson, our defense misses that on the field commander more than anything (maybe Von Miller takes that spot over and calls out adjustments from the SAM)

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 06:08 PM
The Irving pick is the 2nd biggest reach of the draft so far on my board (behind the Jonas Mouton pick by the chuggers).

Yikes.

broncosteven
04-29-2011, 06:09 PM
Wow, apparently NE is not taking the QB after 5 minutes of hype!

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 06:09 PM
I like the pick in the sense that he's a firey, emotional player. Plus, it sounds like he's gradually improving from the car wreck and may have his best FB ahead of him. We'll see. Not like MLB wasn't a big need.

srphoenix
04-29-2011, 06:09 PM
Ryan Mallet is the heir to Tom Brady now... hopefully this signals the beginning of the end for the Pats

crush17
04-29-2011, 06:10 PM
Irving was a captain on his team. Von Miller = Captain.

Two LB's who were captain's of their defense. mmm hmmmm.

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 06:10 PM
The Irving pick is the 2nd biggest reach of the draft so far on my board (behind the Jonas Mouton pick by the chuggers).

Yikes.

Why a reach? 3rd is about right. I would have preferred Nevis or Eliss, but who knows, maybe they slide to the 4th. Parcells thought he was the best ILB in the draft and a 1st round talent. That's a helluva endorsement.

broncosteven
04-29-2011, 06:11 PM
Woops

gunns
04-29-2011, 06:11 PM
So far I'm thrilled with this draft. I'm not sure about the Irving pick but 3 others that look like starters. That's more than we've gotten out of drafts in years.

RaiderH8r
04-29-2011, 06:11 PM
We're going front 7 and I like that but fer Chrissakes is it in the Broncos team charter that we can't draft a DT? We have good edge speed but that won't matter when teams are running up the 4 lane freeway between the guards. Our new Mike won't matter because he'll have our squeezably soft Charmin DTs in his lap as they drive the lot of them back to the sticks. Rahim had better beef up and work on his tackling skills because we're gonna need him down in the box next year.

srphoenix
04-29-2011, 06:11 PM
lol, Pats took RB's in consecutive picks. Didn't Green Ellis and Danny Woodhead both average like 4 yards per carry?

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 06:12 PM
So far I'm thrilled with this draft. I'm not sure about the Irving pick but 3 others that look like starters. That's more than we've gotten out of drafts in years.

If Parcells is right, Irving was a steal. We'll see. I love the first three picks from a prospect standpoint, not crazy about no DT.

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 06:12 PM
worst highlight tape ever.

Try this for a reality check - it will help.


Put these highlights up against the LB play from the 2010 Broncos. There's a reason why everyone here knows we need a MLB, even if this guy is a turd he's still better than what we are projected to field for the future.

listopencil
04-29-2011, 06:13 PM
The Irving pick was a reach:

Scout grades for ILB's in 3rd round:

Irving: 61
Wilson: 81
Sheppard: 80

Yikes...hopefully they saw something that translates...

You have to consider that there are three types of inside LB.

Broncos4tw
04-29-2011, 06:13 PM
Well, thank goodness we have you brilliant folks to correct idiots like Parcell and Fox and Elway - Irving is like, so a bust! Good thing you can, after never hearing of this guy, can fully evaluate his talent watching 8 minute youtube video. You folks really ought to get jobs in the front office, you could really improve this team.

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 06:14 PM
We're going front 7 and I like that but fer Chrissakes is it in the Broncos team charter that we can't draft a DT? We have good edge speed but that won't matter when teams are running up the 4 lane freeway between the guards. Our new Mike won't matter because he'll have our squeezably soft Charmin DTs in his lap as they drive the lot of them back to the sticks. Rahim had better beef up and work on his tackling skills because we're gonna need him down in the box next year.

Well, Rahim is the classic centerfield ballhawk type. 10 INTs in 2009. So, hopefully Dawkins can play SS for one more until the next draft.

Inkana7
04-29-2011, 06:16 PM
Am I disappointed we didn't draft DLine? Yes. But here's how I'm looking at it: The FO's stated objective was to find 4 starters with the 4 picks we had in the first 3 rounds. In my eyes, it looks like we've done that. We had needs at LB, S and OT, and we filled those, adequately I think.

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 06:18 PM
Well, thank goodness we have you brilliant folks to correct idiots like Parcell and Fox and Elway - Irving is like, so a bust! Good thing you can, after never hearing of this guy, can fully evaluate his talent watching 8 minute youtube video. You folks really ought to get jobs in the front office, you could really improve this team.

Shanahan is a pro's pro and a borderline HOF coach... still took Jarvis Moss in the first.

McDaniels was the hottest young coach in the league two years ago... still had an epically horrible 2nd round in 2009.

And you know what... we called it at that time... so enough with that line of reasoning.

Archer81
04-29-2011, 06:18 PM
Am I disappointed we didn't draft DLine? Yes. But here's how I'm looking at it: The FO's stated objective was to find 4 starters with the 4 picks we had in the first 3 rounds. In my eyes, it looks like we've done that. We had needs at LB, S and OT, and we filled those, adequately I think.


Draft is not over yet.


:Broncos:

BroncoInSkinland
04-29-2011, 06:20 PM
3 defense picks and one in the trenches on the other side. I haven't had the luxury of analyzing players so I can't say I love the picks, but I love the focus behind them. D-line would have been nice, but this is a good start. I like the direction I am seeing.

broncogary
04-29-2011, 06:21 PM
Well, thank goodness we have you brilliant folks to correct idiots like Parcell and Fox and Elway - Irving is like, so a bust! Good thing you can, after never hearing of this guy, can fully evaluate his talent watching 8 minute youtube video. You folks really ought to get jobs in the front office, you could really improve this team.

<iframe width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/J-_AfPw7C9M" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

srphoenix
04-29-2011, 06:22 PM
well Drake Nevis and Kenrick Ellis are still available. I hope we at least take a flyer on one of these guys, even if only for depth

Broncos4tw
04-29-2011, 06:23 PM
Shanahan is a pro's pro and a borderline HOF coach... still took Jarvis Moss in the first.

McDaniels was the hottest young coach in the league two years ago... still had an epically horrible 2nd round in 2009.

And you know what... we called it at that time... so enough with that line of reasoning.

Just saying: give our guys who make these decisions, and Irving a chance. Here, people are claiming it's a bust based solely on a short video, and draft board rankings. Versus our coach, Elway, and other front office folks who spend hundreds of hours preparing for this. He may end up being a bust, but I'm willing to give him a chance based on what our guys saw.

Again, I think he may end up being a steal. Players with excellent talent who would have otherwise been a round 1 pick, only to get set back with an injury, and drop as a result are intriguing to me. If fully recovered, he could be a force.

MABroncoFan
04-29-2011, 06:24 PM
Jurrell Casey off the board

broncosteven
04-29-2011, 06:25 PM
<iframe width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/J-_AfPw7C9M" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Why hasn't there been a Dobie Gillis movie?

RaiderH8r
04-29-2011, 06:25 PM
Well, thank goodness we have you brilliant folks to correct idiots like Parcell and Fox and Elway - Irving is like, so a bust! Good thing you can, after never hearing of this guy, can fully evaluate his talent watching 8 minute youtube video. You folks really ought to get jobs in the front office, you could really improve this team.

What the hell you think they have on those computers in that war room? They're scoping the Mane and ignoring solid takes which is infuriating because I've never been wrong in my life.

lostknight
04-29-2011, 06:26 PM
Congrads Mallet. Welcome to being a career backup.

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 06:26 PM
Just saying: give our guys who make these decisions, and Irving a chance. Here, people are claiming it's a bust based solely on a short video, and draft board rankings. Versus our coach, Elway, and other front office folks who spend hundreds of hours preparing for this. He may end up being a bust, but I'm willing to give him a chance based on what our guys saw.

Again, I think he may end up being a steal. Players with excellent talent who would have otherwise been a round 1 pick, only to get set back with an injury, and drop as a result are intriguing to me. If fully recovered, he could be a force.

I completely hope that they all end up being great players -- I'm a Denver Broncos fan, and they're Denver Broncos. Welcome to the family, and all that.

I'm just a little concerned right now about our front office's drafting strategy -- hope I'm wrong, but a little concerned.

Broncos4tw
04-29-2011, 06:29 PM
There is plenty of DL talent down the pike, it's deep this draft. I'm not too worried. I'm just thrilled they are actually picking defensive needs and line, O or D - we lose more games in the trenches, and to be honest, it's going to take more than this draft to fix the issue we have.

Holding out for a nice FA pickup.

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 06:29 PM
Recent Elway Tweets:

John Elway
Nate Irving is an instinctual MLB who is a good fit for the type of defense we are building - Tough and always around the ball.
34 minutes ago from Twitter for iPhone


John Elway
Orlando Franklin is a big, tough tackle who plays physical. He's got the attitude we want on the offensive line.
about 2 hours ago from Twitter for iPhone


John Elway
Looking forward to Rahim playing centerfield for us and improving our defense.
about 2 hours ago from Twitter for iPhone


John Elway
Rahim Moore showed great ball skills and had lots of production at UCLA...
about 2 hours ago from Twitter for iPhone

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 06:30 PM
I completely hope that they all end up being great players -- I'm a Denver Broncos fan, and they're Denver Broncos. Welcome to the family, and all that.

I'm just a little concerned right now about our front office's drafting strategy -- hope I'm wrong, but a little concerned.


You must have mistyped this right? Maybe concerned about their actual selections but how in the WORLD could you be concerned about their strategy so far????

Worst defense so we drafted heavy defense so far - and you think the strategy should have been what? Offense heavy????

broncosteven
04-29-2011, 06:31 PM
I completely hope that they all end up being great players -- I'm a Denver Broncos fan, and they're Denver Broncos. Welcome to the family, and all that.

I'm just a little concerned right now about our front office's drafting strategy -- hope I'm wrong, but a little concerned.

The last 2 years drafting strategy was hosed up, this year has been very solid and addressed 4 positions of need.

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 06:31 PM
I completely hope that they all end up being great players -- I'm a Denver Broncos fan, and they're Denver Broncos. Welcome to the family, and all that.

I'm just a little concerned right now about our front office's drafting strategy -- hope I'm wrong, but a little concerned.

That's fair enough. On my board, Franklin and Paea were both excellent value at their respective positions, but I thought DT was a greater need so you go with Paea. Maybe Elway and co. were more concerned about OL than DT with Harris leaving, or maybe they simply thought Franklin was a superior prospect. In any case, I don't think you can argue that any of the picks were not NEEDS, so why don't we give them a chance? I don't think any were reaches (maybe Irving based on consensus, but Parcells liked him as a 1st rounder and most reports say if not for the car accident would have been higher).

srphoenix
04-29-2011, 06:33 PM
lol Oakland takes their combine guy: Van Dyke ran a 4.28 40 yrd dash

broncosteven
04-29-2011, 06:34 PM
Raiders draft Asamougha's(sp?) replacement

Atwater His Ass
04-29-2011, 06:34 PM
I would have to agree that the strategy is sound (including the trade down), even if I don't personally agree with some of the players picked.

After the pain of having to watch Mcd bumble through this, it's nice to see a solid strategy being played out.

OBF1
04-29-2011, 06:35 PM
Over all I am pretty damn happy with our draft so far. 4 players, 4 positions of need.

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 06:35 PM
Raiders trade their 2012 2nd rounder to New England Patriots for Van Dyke.

Rich get richer, dumb get dumber.

lostknight
04-29-2011, 06:36 PM
I like Van Dyke, but he is going to take a few years to be decent.

Rabb
04-29-2011, 06:37 PM
Over all I am pretty damn happy with our draft so far. 4 players, 4 positions of need.

not to mention we got back 2 picks along the way for tomorrow

I just really don't know how anyone can be disappointed right now

Broncos4tw
04-29-2011, 06:37 PM
With any luck, Al Davis will be healthy and in charge for a long time to come.

lostknight
04-29-2011, 06:37 PM
Raiders trade their 2012 2nd rounder to New England Patriots for Van Dyke.

Rich get richer, dumb get dumber.

Seriously, how often do the raiders need to be bent over by Billy B to know it's a bad idea?

KO5K
04-29-2011, 06:37 PM
That's fair enough. On my board, Franklin and Paea were both excellent value at their respective positions, but I thought DT was a greater need so you go with Paea. Maybe Elway and co. were more concerned about OL than DT with Harris leaving, or maybe they simply thought Franklin was a superior prospect. In any case, I don't think you can argue that any of the picks were not NEEDS, so why don't we give them a chance? I don't think any were reaches (maybe Irving based on consensus, but Parcells liked him as a 1st rounder and most reports say if not for the car accident would have been higher).

I though we tendered Harris, so he'll be here for at least one more year.

broncosteven
04-29-2011, 06:38 PM
That's fair enough. On my board, Franklin and Paea were both excellent value at their respective positions, but I thought DT was a greater need so you go with Paea. Maybe Elway and co. were more concerned about OL than DT with Harris leaving, or maybe they simply thought Franklin was a superior prospect. In any case, I don't think you can argue that any of the picks were not NEEDS, so why don't we give them a chance? I don't think any were reaches (maybe Irving based on consensus, but Parcells liked him as a 1st rounder and most reports say if not for the car accident would have been higher).

It is clear that they are building the D from LB position out.

We are really set at DE so if we get production out of our new LB corp we can get by with Vickerson and McBean for a year.

I would have liked to hear our new Safety was a better hitter/tackler but apparently pass defense and hustle to the ball is being valued more than run stuffing and strength.

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 06:38 PM
Best players remaining:

Christian Ballard
Jerrel Jernigan
Allen Bailey
Marcus Cannon
Clint Boling
Kendall Hunter
Drake Nevis
Curtis Brown
Johnny Patrick
Quan Sturdivant

Some good players on that list who might fall to our 4th.....

broncosteven
04-29-2011, 06:39 PM
I though we tendered Harris, so he'll be here for at least one more year.

I thought there were no tenders due to lockout.

KO5K
04-29-2011, 06:43 PM
I thought there were no tenders due to lockout.

The Denver Broncos have extended tender offers to five of their potential restricted free agents, John Elway announced Wednesday.

Ryan Harris, Matt Prater, Marcus Thomas, Kevin Vickerson, and Wesley Woodyard will all be able to hit the free agent market, but with these one-year offers, the Broncos will be able to match any contract they are offered. Additionally, depending on each individual contract, the Broncos will receive draft pick compensation for losing the player.

So he's still probably gone.

srphoenix
04-29-2011, 06:47 PM
some interesting views into our war room:

VicLombardi (http://twitter.com/#%21/VicLombardi) Vic Lombardi



There's a RB on their board they like. A lot. If he's still there at 108, he's a Bronco. Again, they're sticking with their board.

2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/VicLombardi/status/64143037542039552) [/URL] (http://twitter.com/#)

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1272795332/vicworkpic_normal.jpg
VicLombardi (http://twitter.com/#) Vic Lombardi



RT @Kechterd (http://twitter.com/Kechterd): @VicLombardi (http://twitter.com/VicLombardi) Your joking right???---no. my jokes aren't that good. just telling you what i know.

3 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/VicLombardi/status/64142765096841216) (http://twitter.com/#)



http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1272795332/vicworkpic_normal.jpg
VicLombardi (http://twitter.com/#) Vic Lombardi



They are playing this draft close to the vest. They're being true to their board.

5 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/VicLombardi/status/64142210727280640) (http://twitter.com/#)



http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1272795332/vicworkpic_normal.jpg
VicLombardi (http://twitter.com/#) Vic Lombardi



I can tell you, on pretty good authority, the Broncos passed on several DT's in rounds 2 and 3 because they believed they'd be "reaching".

7 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/VicLombardi/status/64141893071667200) (http://twitter.com/#)



http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1272795332/vicworkpic_normal.jpg
[URL="http://twitter.com/#%21/VicLombardi"]VicLombardi (http://twitter.com/#) Vic Lombardi



The Broncos have 5 more picks tomorrow. Doesn't look like they'll find an impact DT in rounds 4-7. Free agency seems to be the route.

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 06:50 PM
Interesting... wonder who the RB is? Here's who's on the board....

Kendall Hunter
Jordan Todman
Jacquizz Rodgers 
Delone Carter
Taiwan Jones
Roy Helu

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 06:50 PM
some interesting views into our war room:

VicLombardi (http://twitter.com/#%21/VicLombardi) Vic Lombardi



There's a RB on their board they like. A lot. If he's still there at 108, he's a Bronco. Again, they're sticking with their board.

2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/VicLombardi/status/64143037542039552) [/URL] (http://twitter.com/#)

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1272795332/vicworkpic_normal.jpg
VicLombardi (http://twitter.com/#) Vic Lombardi



RT @Kechterd (http://twitter.com/Kechterd): @VicLombardi (http://twitter.com/VicLombardi) Your joking right???---no. my jokes aren't that good. just telling you what i know.

3 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/VicLombardi/status/64142765096841216) (http://twitter.com/#)



http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1272795332/vicworkpic_normal.jpg
VicLombardi (http://twitter.com/#) Vic Lombardi



They are playing this draft close to the vest. They're being true to their board.

5 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/VicLombardi/status/64142210727280640) (http://twitter.com/#)



http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1272795332/vicworkpic_normal.jpg
VicLombardi (http://twitter.com/#) Vic Lombardi



I can tell you, on pretty good authority, the Broncos passed on several DT's in rounds 2 and 3 because they believed they'd be "reaching".

7 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/VicLombardi/status/64141893071667200) (http://twitter.com/#)



http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1272795332/vicworkpic_normal.jpg
[URL="http://twitter.com/#%21/VicLombardi"]VicLombardi (http://twitter.com/#) Vic Lombardi



The Broncos have 5 more picks tomorrow. Doesn't look like they'll find an impact DT in rounds 4-7. Free agency seems to be the route.

Interesting. They probably didn't like Paea because he has serious technique issues that probably prevent him from hitting his stride for 2-3 year, and Austin has a questionable motor and production. They obviously are drafting to their board. Gotta respect that.

srphoenix
04-29-2011, 06:50 PM
Drake Nevis gone too now, maybe we get Kenrick Ellis late, not looking like were going to get any DT this draft, hopefully we can score Mebane or someone in FA

OrangeSe7en
04-29-2011, 06:51 PM
They brought in Kendall Hunter.

maher_tyler
04-29-2011, 06:51 PM
Can't believe I hung around to see us pick an OL in 2nd round........I'm outta here

:Whaaaa!::Whaaaa!::Whaaaa!::Whaaaa!::Whaaaa!::Whaa aa!::Whaaaa!:

mwill07
04-29-2011, 06:51 PM
some interesting views into our war room:
...
VicLombardi (http://twitter.com/#%21/VicLombardi) Vic Lombardi



I can tell you, on pretty good authority, the Broncos passed on several DT's in rounds 2 and 3 because they believed they'd be "reaching"....

sometimes it's ok to reach, especially for someone you need.

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 06:55 PM
Some here probably think the RB is going to be a bigger bruiser type to play Jonathon Stewart to our Knowshon Moreno but.......

I think we're going to look at a home run type threat so....

Taiwan Jones

Jacquizz Rodgers

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::t humbs:

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 06:56 PM
sometimes it's ok to reach, especially for someone you need.

We have holes everywhere so you think it's ok to reach for one need instead of taking someone ranked right about where they should go to fill another need?

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 06:56 PM
I bet they like Stevan Ridley in the 4th if the RB rumor is true.

srphoenix
04-29-2011, 06:56 PM
Some here probably think the RB is going to be a bigger bruiser type to play Jonathon Stewart to our Knowshon Moreno but.......

I think we're going to look at a home run type threat so....

Taiwan Jones

Jacquizz Rodgers

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::t humbs:

I'd agree, plus we still have Lendale White for whatever that's worth... (probably not much hehe)

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 06:57 PM
I'd agree, plus we still have Lendale White for whatever that's worth... (probably not much hehe)

That's my thinking too, White actually didn't play bad for us. We don't have anyone on the roster who is a threat to break a big run.


Don't even say Knowshon either, he scares nobody with his home run ability.

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 07:00 PM
I bet they like Stevan Ridley in the 4th if the RB rumor is true.

Hope not, because the Patriots have already picked him.

Gutless Drunk
04-29-2011, 07:00 PM
I bet they like Stevan Ridley in the 4th if the RB rumor is true.

9(73) New England (from Houston) Stevan Ridley RB LSU

Dukes
04-29-2011, 07:01 PM
I bet they like Stevan Ridley in the 4th if the RB rumor is true.

He's been off the board for a while now

schaaf
04-29-2011, 07:02 PM
Interesting. They probably didn't like Paea because he has serious technique issues that probably prevent him from hitting his stride for 2-3 year, and Austin has a questionable motor and production. They obviously are drafting to their board. Gotta respect that.

Concerning Austin....

Xanders stated last week I believe that there were three guys that they took completely off their board because of character concerns... Schefter said today that there were several teams that took Austin off their board because of character concerns.

lostknight
04-29-2011, 07:02 PM
We have what looks to be a very solid four starters from four picks. That was the critera that Elway had. That frees us up in free agency to focus on two positions: DT (need two) and TE (need one).

srphoenix
04-29-2011, 07:04 PM
Aren't Stocker and D.J. Williams still on the board? Wouldn't mind either of them at TE.

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 07:05 PM
Hope not, because the Patriots have already picked him.

Damn, missed that. Thanks. Who knows then?

mwill07
04-29-2011, 07:06 PM
We have holes everywhere so you think it's ok to reach for one need instead of taking someone ranked right about where they should go to fill another need?

if need A >> than need B, then yes.

DT = gaping hole. IMO, reaching there would have been justified.

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 07:06 PM
He's been off the board for a while now

OK, thanks. Stepped a way for a bit and missed that. Hell, I don't know then. Any thought s to what available RBs they my like?

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 07:08 PM
If the reports are true that we're looking at RB tomorrow - figure i'll post up some highlights from each of the 2 guys I think they would be looking at.

I think, that the FO thinks, that we need a dynamic, fleet of foot, highlight reel type home run threat.


Jacquizz Rodgers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsg75FXXMO0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEruSY8nkPc&feature=related

Taiwan Jones

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYVJ82hmT8g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCIN6EWoPBo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzCwMlMoeQo&feature=related

I personally think the FO wants our version of the small'ish quick back like Jamaal Charles, Sproles, McCluster type of guy.

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 07:08 PM
Aren't Stocker and D.J. Williams still on the board? Wouldn't mind either of them at TE.

Top tight ends remaining:


Luke Stocker
D.J. Williams
Virgil Green
Jordan Cameron
Julius Thomas -- I think this might be our guy....

oubronco
04-29-2011, 07:10 PM
Ryan knows Defense and takes Ellis

MABroncoFan
04-29-2011, 07:11 PM
Kenrick Ellis to the Jets

broncosteven
04-29-2011, 07:13 PM
If the reports are true that we're looking at RB tomorrow - figure i'll post up some highlights from each of the 2 guys I think they would be looking at.

I think, that the FO thinks, that we need a dynamic, fleet of foot, highlight reel type home run threat.


Jacquizz Rodgers
...
Taiwan Jones
...

Those sound like Porn names...

broncosteven
04-29-2011, 07:13 PM
OK, thanks. Stepped a way for a bit and missed that. Hell, I don't know then. Any thought s to what available RBs they my like?

Anyone other than KM?

/jk

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 07:20 PM
if need A >> than need B, then yes.

DT = gaping hole. IMO, reaching there would have been justified.

Gaping hole to you, me, 90% of the board and 100% of the analysts out there.......

But obviously not a person in this draft that our FO is willing to reach for when other needs can be addressed.

I have to believe they have a plan for FA DT's - i'm fine with that. Extremely happy to finally have a FO that is all in, do what it takes to address the actual gaping hole on this team - DEFENSE. As a WHOLE our defense was/is horrible, this is the first coaching regime that I can remember that has gone pretty much all in to fix this problem.

Completely behind our new DEFENSIVE HC and the FO's obvious commitment to fix the worst D in the league.

Are we playoff bound - no. Are we going to be dead last in Defense - no freaking way. Not a chance, this D will be significantly much more improved.

Just my opinion tho.

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 07:22 PM
Aaaaaand that's it for day two.

Here're the players left on my board that were ranked as day two talents:

41 Christian Ballard
59 Marcus Cannon
63 Clint Boling
64 Kendall Hunter
74 Quan Sturdivant
76 Tandon Doss 
78 Brandon Burton
81 Sam Acho
84 Ricky Stanzi
88 Greg Salas
89 Jordan Todman
90 Edmond Gates
91 Luke Stocker
92 Niles Paul
94 D.J. Williams
95 Virgil Green
96 Davon House
97 Chris Carter

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 07:23 PM
Gimme Taiwan Jones and DJ Williams tomorrow and you guys can have whoever else you want.

eddie mac
04-29-2011, 07:24 PM
I'd say it's a typical Denver draft and I dont for one buy this BPA available ****.

For starters the safeties and ILB in this draft were selected at least 1 round ahead of where they would normally be with a decent pool in any other year, yet we reach for 2 in this draft and we pass up on the deepest pool of early rd DT's in years.

It's just another Broncos draft, same ****, different smell.

GoBroncos84
04-29-2011, 07:28 PM
DL:
Christian Ballard
Lawrence Guy
Ian Williams
Greg Romeus
Pernell McPhee

RB:
Derrick Locke
Jacquizz Rodgers
Taiwan Jones
Kendall Hunter

TE:
Luke Stocker
Virgil Green
D.J. Williams
Jordan Cameron

CB:
Brandon Burton

FB:
Henry Hynoski
Owen Marecic


These are the guys I would like to see us target tomorrow. Best scenario: Ballard in the 4th, Locke in the 5th, Hynoski and Green in the 6th.

Requiem
04-29-2011, 07:30 PM
Christian Ballard

Clint Boling

Tandon Doss

Marcus Cannon

Edmond Gates

Quan Sturdivant

Taiwan Jones

Brandon Burton

Kendall Hunter

Dwayne Harris

Jacquizz Rodgers

Quinton Carter

Luke Stocker

Jordan Todman

Greg Salas

Lawrence Guy

Virgil Green

Dion Lewis

DeAndre McDaniel

Sam Acho

Davon House

Buster Skrine

Da'Norris Searcy

Deunta Williams

Ian Williams

Bilal Powell

Roy Helu

Lawrence Wilson

Bigdawg26
04-29-2011, 07:31 PM
I'd say it's a typical Denver draft and I dont for one buy this BPA available ****.

For starters the safeties and ILB in this draft were selected at least 1 round ahead of where they would normally be with a decent pool in any other year, yet we reach for 2 in this draft and we pass up on the deepest pool of early rd DT's in years.

It's just another Broncos draft, same ****, different smell.

This times a million!! The last statment sums it up to a T! For the past 10 years still no good DT through the draft but a bunch of stop gap DT that will wear down midseason!

sgbfan
04-29-2011, 07:33 PM
I'm a little upset at not taking a DT, but I like what they have done with their picks otherwise. Every pick filled a huge need. Hopefully one or two of the following happens. With all of the DT's and other DE taken early in the draft, that leaves more available FA's for us to pick up. Also, maybe teams pass on DT's in next years draft and we pick up some good value there.

They aren't going to get everything fixed in one draft, but I hoped that they would have gotten starting DT's while the position was so deep and looked to next year for S and MLB. At least they went with D with 3 of 4 picks. I'm sick of having no defense and drafting WR's, no matter how good they turn out.

I think that the best value left might be at RB, and TE and expect them to go that direction in the next 2 rounds, with the possibility of CB. I just don't see an impact player available at DT. Lets go Free Agency!

DrFate
04-29-2011, 07:37 PM
While i would have liked a dt as much as the next guy, i do like that these guys were productive football players and not 'potential' guys.

I prefer productive guys over athletic projections.

eddie mac
04-29-2011, 07:39 PM
Well Fox and Co are in for a shock if they think they can recuit an internal line through FA when all is done and dusted and it starts they're gonna be real disappointed with the menu and the prices. The term ass about face keeps ringing in my ears recruiting linebackers before sorting out who's in front of them.

Rabb
04-29-2011, 07:45 PM
Gaping hole to you, me, 90% of the board and 100% of the analysts out there.......

But obviously not a person in this draft that our FO is willing to reach for when other needs can be addressed.

I have to believe they have a plan for FA DT's - i'm fine with that. Extremely happy to finally have a FO that is all in, do what it takes to address the actual gaping hole on this team - DEFENSE. As a WHOLE our defense was/is horrible, this is the first coaching regime that I can remember that has gone pretty much all in to fix this problem.

Completely behind our new DEFENSIVE HC and the FO's obvious commitment to fix the worst D in the league.

Are we playoff bound - no. Are we going to be dead last in Defense - no freaking way. Not a chance, this D will be significantly much more improved.

Just my opinion tho.

agreed

I am also convinced they aren't just thinking about 2011, as many have said this is a 2 year project easily

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 07:50 PM
Well Fox and Co are in for a shock if they think they can recuit an internal line through FA when all is done and dusted and it starts they're gonna be real disappointed with the menu and the prices. The term ass about face keeps ringing in my ears recruiting linebackers before sorting out who's in front of them.

Why are they in for a shock? Who's coming out, what are they demanding in price and how much do we, possibly, have allotted in money to address the DT position in FA?

I take it that you do know these answers since you are obviously either an agent or one of the financial guys in the FO right?

It would be an absolute shock to find out that you're just another one of us Googlers and Youtubers.

eddie mac
04-29-2011, 07:51 PM
Haloti Ngata, DT, Ravens. Age: 27.
Franchised by Ravens

Haloti Ngata is one of the top interior defensive linemen in the NFL. If the Ravens don't want to pay him top dollar, pretty much every other team in the NFL will be lining up for his services.






Paul Soliai, NT, Dolphins. Age: 27.
Franchised by Dolphins

At 6-4, 355 pounds, Paul Soliai is a monstrous, run-stuffing nose tackle. Unless the Dolphins franchise him, Soliai will get a huge contract this offseason.


Barry Cofield, DT, Giants. Age: 27.
Barry Cofield is a great interior lineman who excels against the run and provides a decent enough pass rush. He's due for a big contract this offseason.


Brandon Mebane, DT, Seahawks. Age: 26.
Brandon Mebane has always been great against the run; this year, he added some pass-rushing skills to his repertoire, allowing him to serve as an every-down player in Seattle's defense.


Cullen Jenkins, DE/DT, Packers. Age: 30.
Cullen Jenkins dominates the line of scrimmage when he's on the field. Unfortunately, Jenkins is often injured; he has missed 17 games in the past three years.


Aubrayo Franklin, NT, 49ers. Age: 31.
Aubrayo Franklin is coming off great back-to-back years - but he's never played this well when not in a contract season. As I wrote last year, caveat emptor.





Richard Seymour, DT, Raiders. Age: 31.
Re-signed with Raiders (2 years, $30 million)

And to think, the Raiders could have the No. 17 overall pick right now... Richard Seymour is obviously a very skilled defensive lineman, but age and post-contract lethargy have to be concerns.


Stephen Bowen, DE/DT, Cowboys. Age: 27.
Stephen Bowen took over for an injured Marcus Spears in the middle of the season and played very well down the stretch.


Mike Patterson, DT, Eagles. Age: 28.
Mike Patterson doesn't provide much of a pass rush, but he's an excellent run defender. He's a 4-3 player only. There's some dispute about whether Patterson is a free agent or not. A Washington Post salary cap expert believes Patterson will become a free agent if no CBA is met by March 4.


Shaun Smith, DE/DT, Chiefs. Age: 30.
Shaun Smith turns 30 in August, but he's still a strong two-down, run-stuffing defensive end in the 3-4.


Pat Williams, NT, Vikings. Age: 38.
A two-down run-stuffer, Pat Williams still got it done this season despite playing at 38 years old. He'll try to help a contender.


Marcus Spears, DE/DT, Cowboys. Age: 28.
When motivated, Marcus Spears is a force against the run. He offers no pass rush, however.


Justin Bannan, DE/DT, Broncos. Age: 32.
Justin Bannan had a solid year for the Broncos, which makes you wonder why they released him. Bannan can play in both the 4-3 and 3-4.


Anthony Adams, DT, Bears. Age: 31.
Anthony Adams had a slightly down year by his standards, but the Bears are still working to extend the run-stuffer.


John Henderson, DT, Raiders. Age: 32.
Re-signed with Raiders (2 years, $8 million)

John Henderson missed a ton of action this season with a foot injury, but was a very forceful run-stuffer when he was in the lineup.


Ron Edwards, NT, Chiefs. Age: 32.
Ron Edwards did a decent job of stuffing the run early in the season, but seemed to wear down as the season progressed.


Kenyon Coleman, DE/DT, Browns. Age: 32.
Kenyon Coleman doesn't offer much of a pass rush (3 sacks in 2010), but he's a very good run defender as a 3-4 defensive end.


Shaun Rogers, DT, Browns. Age: 32.
Signed with Saints (1 year, $4 million)

Shaun Rogers was dumped by the Browns because of his $6 million salary, but he should still be OK as a two-down run-stuffer.





Tommie Harris, DT, Bears. Age: 28.
Tommie Harris is a shell of what he used to be. He's battled through way too many injuries. There's a chance he'll be able to bounce back and become a solid player once again, but I wouldn't bet on it.


Kris Jenkins, NT, Jets. Age: 32.
Coming off a pair of torn ACLs, Kris Jenkins has played in just seven games the past two years.


Alan Branch, DT, Cardinals. Age: 26.
Alan Branch offers nothing in terms of a pass rush, but can stuff the run effectively when he's motivated.


Tony McDaniel, DE/DT, Dolphins. Age: 26.
Tony McDaniel was a solid rotational defensive lineman for the Dolphins in 2010, thriving against the run and recording 2.5 sacks.


Desmond Bryant (ERFA), DT, Raiders. Age: 25.
A pass-rushing specialist, Desmond Bryant terrorized Matt Cassel in the season finale in what was his only extensive action of the season. I'd like to see him play more next year. That will happen if Richard Seymour leaves.


Remi Ayodele, DT, Saints. Age: 28.
Remi Ayodele plays the run somewhat well, but offers absolutely no pass rush.


Antonio Johnson, DT, Colts. Age: 26.
Antonio Johnson has some upside as a 310-pound defensive tackle with pass-rushing ability. He played well at times this past season after a horrible 2009 campaign.


Marcus Stroud, DT, Bills. Age: 33.
Signed with Patriots (2 years)

Marcus Stroud struggled in Buffalo's 3-4. He'll be better in a 4-3, but at 33, his skills have eroded.


Jamal Williams, NT, Broncos. Age: 35.
Jamal Williams had a decent year as a two-down run-stuffer in 2010. He turns 35 in April, however.


Robaire Smith, DE/DT, Browns. Age: 33.
Robaire Smith played well last year until landing on IR with a back injury. Signing a 33-year-old with back problems will be a risky proposition for any team.


Gerard Warren, DT, Patriots. Age: 33.
Gerard Warren tried his best to fill in for Ty Warren, but he's nothing more than a rotational player at this point in his career.


Daniel Muir, DT, Colts. Age: 27.
Derek Landri, DT, Panthers. Age: 27.
Anthony Hargrove, DT, Saints. Age: 28.
Jacques Cesaire, DE/DT, Chargers. Age: 31.
Jason Hatcher, DE/DT, Cowboys. Age: 29.
Shaun Cody, NT, Texans. Age: 28. -- Re-signed with Texans
Gary Gibson, DT, Rams. Age: 29.
Ronald Fields, NT, Broncos. Age: 29.
Marcus Thomas, DE/DT, Broncos. Age: 25.
Nick Eason, DE/DT, Steelers. Age: 31.
Chris Hoke, NT, Steelers. Age: 35.
Junior Siavii, DT, Seahawks. Age: 32.
Eric Foster, DT, Colts. Age: 26. -- Tendered by Colts
Travis Johnson, DE/DT, Chargers. Age: 29.
Fred Evans, DT, Vikings. Age: 27.
Vance Walker, DT, Falcons. Age: 24.
Clifton Ryan, DT, Rams. Age: 27.
Trevor Pryce, DE/DT, Jets. Age: 36.
Nick Hayden (RFA), DT, Panthers. Age: 25.
Jarvis Green, DE/DT, Texans. Age: 32.
Andre Fluellen (RFA), DT, Lions. Age: 26. -- Tendered by Lions
Leger Douzable (RFA), DT, Jaguars. Age: 25.
Brian Schaefering, DE/DT, Browns. Age: 28.
Derreck Robinson, DE/DT, Browns. Age: 29.
Bryan Robinson, DT, Cardinals. Age: 37.
Gabe Watson, DT, Cardinals. Age: 27.
Marques Douglas, DE/DT, Titans. Age: 34.
Trey Lewis, DT, Falcons. Age: 26. -- Re-signed with Falcons
Lamar Divens, NT, Ravens. Age: 25. -- Re-signed with Ravens
John McCargo, DT, Bills. Age: 28.
Ed Johnson, DT, Panthers. Age: 27.
Kelly Talavou, NT, Ravens. Age: 26.
DeMario Pressley, DT, Texans. Age: 25. -- Signed with Colts

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 07:54 PM
Great list of potentials!

Now, how much do we have set aside that we're willing to pay to get a DT? Has that info been released?

eddie mac
04-29-2011, 07:54 PM
Why are they in for a shock? Who's coming out, what are they demanding in price and how much do we, possibly, have allotted in money to address the DT position in FA?

I take it that you do know these answers since you are obviously either an agent or one of the financial guys in the FO right?

It would be an absolute shock to find out that you're just another one of us Googlers and Youtubers.

Well for starters you only have to look at the money we wasted on Williams and Bannan last year as your starting point then look at the list I've posted above and take everyone off that who doesn't have 6 accredited seasons/has re-signed/signed elsewhere or was franchised and there's your FA DT pool. So go get Denver a DL for the 2011 season because they didn't help themselves with the first 4 picks.

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 07:58 PM
Well for starters you only have to look at the money we wasted on Williams and Bannan last year as your starting point then look at the list I've posted above and take everyone off that who doesn't have 6 accredited seasons/has re-signed/signed elsewhere or was franchised and there's your FA DT pool. So go get Denver a DL for the 2011 season because they didn't help themselves with the first 4 picks.

Did you hear that we hired a new defensive HC and changed from that failed abortion that McDaniels called a 3-4 defense?

So every single rookie that we passed on today is without a doubt better than what is available in FA this year? We can't find ANYTHING in FA that would be better than a 3rd round DT?

Damn that sucks.

oubronco
04-29-2011, 08:08 PM
Did you hear that we hired a new defensive HC and changed from that failed abortion that McDaniels called a 3-4 defense?

So every single rookie that we passed on today is without a doubt better than what is available in FA this year? We can't find ANYTHING in FA that would be better than a 3rd round DT?

Damn that sucks.

Your probably right

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 08:10 PM
Well Fox and Co are in for a shock if they think they can recuit an internal line through FA when all is done and dusted and it starts they're gonna be real disappointed with the menu and the prices. The term ass about face keeps ringing in my ears recruiting linebackers before sorting out who's in front of them.

I like you as a poster, but your post here is ignorant. Moore was the consensus best safety in the draft and projected to go anywhere from late 1st to mid-2nd (where we got him), so it's a sensible pick given that safety was a WORSE positon for us last season than DT (fact). I would have preferred Paea at 2b over Franklin, BUT Franklin is nasty mofo at RT or G and likely an immediate starter, whereas Paea has SERIOUS technique issues and probably doesn't hit his stride for 2 or 3 seasons. I want DTs too, but I want the BEST players first and foremost. Let's not be myopic.

zdoor
04-29-2011, 08:10 PM
Hoping for Virgil Green tomorrow...

eddie mac
04-29-2011, 08:11 PM
Did you hear that we hired a new defensive HC and changed from that failed abortion that McDaniels called a 3-4 defense?

So every single rookie that we passed on today is without a doubt better than what is available in FA this year? We can't find ANYTHING in FA that would be better than a 3rd round DT?

Damn that sucks.

Who knows maybe they can do something this franchise has failed to do in the last decade or so, all I'm saying is that the pool of FA DT's once it's whittled down with the 6 year thing, tenders, tags re-signings etc probably wont be much better than last year when we thought we'd landed 2 decent players in Jamal and Bannan.

Maybe Fox and Co do indeed know what they're doing by passing on the No1 DT in the draft to take a 3-4 OLB. Time will tell.

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 08:14 PM
Are Kenrick Elllis and/or Nevis still on the board? I missed the rest of the draft after our 3rd rounder. If they are still there, they would be excellent for our 4th rounder (although we may prefer RB....can't argue with that either...goddamn, we have a ton of needs don't we?)

eddie mac
04-29-2011, 08:17 PM
I like you as a poster, but your post here is ignorant. Moore was the consensus best safety in the draft and projected to go anywhere from late 1st to mid-2nd (where we got him), so it's a sensible pick given that safety was a WORSE positon for us last season than DT (fact). I would have preferred Paea at 2b over Franklin, BUT Franklin is nasty mofo at RT or G and likely an immediate starter, whereas Paea has SERIOUS technique issues and probably doesn't hit his stride for 2 or 3 seasons. I want DTs too, but I want the BEST players first and foremost. Let's not be myopic.

BI if S was a worse position for us last year than DT why did we cut/release every DT we have aside from Vickerson??? Well we tendered Thomas but he doesn't want to come back.

Maybe it's a scheme thing but I'd say it's as much about a talent thing than anything else, possibly money related too but you dont clear house at a position if you think it's bordering on decent.

Can we also agree that Moore may well have been the best safety on the board but also that this is/was the weakest S class in years and the best DT class yet we decided to pass on our first 4 picks, I truly find that unfathomable.

This isn't about Moore for me who may well turn out to be a great player, I just cant get around the fact we passed on our biggest need by far. The Miller pick shocked me albeit we knew it was coming for 24 hrs beforehand but even Mayock and all the top guys out there seemed pretty sure it was with the intention of grabbing a DT in the 2nd given the depth of the class.

eddie mac
04-29-2011, 08:18 PM
Are Kenrick Elllis and/or Nevis still on the board? I missed the rest of the draft after our 3rd rounder. If they are still there, they would be excellent for our 4th rounder (although we may prefer RB....can't argue with that either...goddamn, we have a ton of needs don't we?)

Ellis is a Jet, Nevis still there.

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 08:21 PM
Who knows maybe they can do something this franchise has failed to do in the last decade or so, all I'm saying is that the pool of FA DT's once it's whittled down with the 6 year thing, tenders, tags re-signings etc probably wont be much better than last year when we thought we'd landed 2 decent players in Jamal and Bannan.

Maybe Fox and Co do indeed know what they're doing by passing on the No1 DT in the draft to take a 3-4 OLB. Time will tell.


So your complaint is Miller over Dareus? I can understand that one.

Just wanted to make sure that you weren't one of the guys who thinks that drafting anyone this year just because his position says DT - thinks our defense is automatically fixed.

mwill07
04-29-2011, 08:27 PM
So your complaint is Miller over Dareus? I can understand that one.

Just wanted to make sure that you weren't one of the guys who thinks that drafting anyone this year just because his position says DT - thinks our defense is automatically fixed.

here's the thing - if it takes 2 or 3 years to develop a DT, we won't get a player for 2011 regardless. However, I'd rather not be in this same boat in 2013 for the 10th straight year.

And, as long as we don't pay for starting caliber DT FA's, we will never have a good line...Ever.

I suppose we can keep bringing in FA defensive linemen and continue the cycle, but IMO, the best we can hope for is medicore (which, frankly, would be a huge improvement). At some point though, we've got to make a commitment to the line if we want to have a good D. That did not happen in 2011, just like it hasn't happened since 2007 (which was epic fail all around).

outdoor_miner
04-29-2011, 08:29 PM
Can we also agree that Moore may well have been the best safety on the board but also that this is/was the weakest S class in years and the best DT class yet we decided to pass on our first 4 picks, I truly find that unfathomable.

Exactly - I'm not going to melt down, but just hard to believe that there was not a DT near the top of their board for any of the picks. Miller is understandable. But everything else - geez. Just so disappointing. We hear all through the winter about the great DL class, and we get nothing out of it.

Rascal
04-29-2011, 08:30 PM
Who were our DTs when Elway won our SBs? Where did they come from?

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 08:36 PM
BI if S was a worse position for us last year than DT why did we cut/release every DT we have aside from Vickerson??? Well we tendered Thomas but he doesn't want to come back.

Maybe it's a scheme thing but I'd say it's as much about a talent thing than anything else, possibly money related too but you dont clear house at a position if you think it's bordering on decent.

Can we also agree that Moore may well have been the best safety on the board but also that this is/was the weakest S class in years and the best DT class yet we decided to pass on our first 4 picks, I truly find that unfathomable.

This isn't about Moore for me who may well turn out to be a great player, I just cant get around the fact we passed on our biggest need by far. The Miller pick shocked me albeit we knew it was coming for 24 hrs beforehand but even Mayock and all the top guys out there seemed pretty sure it was with the intention of grabbing a DT in the 2nd given the depth of the class.

Miller is the best pass rusher in the draft and pass rush was a major need, so I disagree that the pick was a shock. I truly think our saftey performance was worse than DT last season. Second worst on the club at best. And, yes, safety class was weak, BUT Moore is a 2nd rounder in any draft, so not a reach on need. Dude had 10 picks in 2009, he's a ball hawk. Only had 1 last season, but they tried to make him an in the box guy for some reason and that played against INTs.

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 08:38 PM
I just don't get how guys can bash a defensive minded head coach that has been doing this for 20? 30? years because he didn't run out and grab 1 certain position that we all want.

Understand this - Fox is 1 of 32 men in the entire country that is qualified enough in his field to coach an NFL football team. I'm sure in his football career that he has at the very least heard of the Defensive Tackle position, might even know a little something about what that position does too. So if he/they pass on one in this draft don't you maybe, just maaaaybe, think that he's a little more qualified to make that decision that a bunch of:

Jiffy Lube techs
Wal Mart cashiers
Network Admins
Truck Drivers
Doctors

etc....that have access to Google and Youtube??? Am I delusional maybe? Just seems so...don't know......sensible?

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 08:38 PM
Ellis is a Jet, Nevis still there.

Thanks. I missed most of the draft after our 3rd, so appreciate the updates. Nevis is undersized, but top level quickness and production, but below average size. Kind of reminds me of Doom as a prospect. Measurables are a question mark, but major league effort and production.

GoBroncos84
04-29-2011, 08:39 PM
Ellis is a Jet, Nevis still there.

no he isn't. Drake Nevis went to the Colts at 87

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 08:42 PM
no he isn't. Drake Nevis went to the Colts at 87

****. OK. I like our picks in a vacuum, but no top DT prospects in a deep draft at the position is a BIG probelm. Not sure how to grade the draft since all picks went to need spots and great prospects but not to the BIGGEST need spot (DT) and with equal talent to the picked positions available there.

baja
04-29-2011, 08:42 PM
LOL

You dont want to look him in the eyes.

Correction; You can't. ;D








He has blue eyes......

One blew East and one blew West.

GoBroncos84
04-29-2011, 08:43 PM
****. OK. I like our picks in a vacuum, but no top DT prospects in a deep draft at the position is a BIG probelm. Not sure how to grade the draft since all picks went to need spots and great prospects but not to the BIGGEST need spot (DT) and with equal talent to the picked positions available there.

Christian Ballard is a 2nd round talent that is still on the board because he tested positive for pot at the combine. I would love taking him with our 4th round pick. He is the top DT talent left

mwill07
04-29-2011, 08:49 PM
Who were our DTs when Elway won our SBs? Where did they come from?

good point.

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 08:50 PM
Christian Ballard is a 2nd round talent that is still on the board because he tested positive for pot at the combine. I would love taking him with our 4th round pick. He is the top DT talent left

ood pick. Is Ellis still available?

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 08:52 PM
ood pick. Is Ellis still available?

Ellis taken by the Jets

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 08:56 PM
Ellis taken by the Jets

Damn. We probably go RB then if that's BPA.

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 09:04 PM
Damn. We probably go RB then if that's BPA.

Someone reported earlier that we had 2 Rb's on our board that we were very interested in.

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 09:04 PM
Someone reported earlier that we had 2 Rb's on our board that we were very interested in.

Yeah, I heard the same. That's why I made that prediction. Who the hell knows, though.

GoBroncos84
04-29-2011, 09:15 PM
I think we could also target Jerrell Powe in the 4th or 5th round

baja
04-29-2011, 09:16 PM
As long as we're waiting for our 3rd-rounder... any comments on Rahim Moore's neck?

http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/rahimmoore.jpg

What neck? Looks like he just has a really long head.