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Killericon
04-29-2011, 05:22 PM
It's a pick, in the trenches, at a position of need. Not sure why everyone is so upset.

Wrong side of the Ball. Franklin is a luxury pick when we have Harris at RT, Beadles at LG, and Kuper at RG. We have no(As is zero) decent defensive tackles.

listopencil
04-29-2011, 05:23 PM
Sigh, ok. Our interior OL was crap, I'll give you that. My biggest bitch about the team was not being able to run the ball. Still...no ****ing DT?

MVP-06
04-29-2011, 05:23 PM
why does everyone hate on Harris? Our yards per rush went up a yard when he returned to the lineup last year/

Lycan
04-29-2011, 05:23 PM
Wrong side of the Ball. Franklin is a luxury pick when we have Harris at RT, Beadles at LG, and Kuper at RG. We have no(As is zero) decent defensive tackles.

Harris is injury prone and not currently under contract. OL was a big need.

Carmelo15
04-29-2011, 05:23 PM
Watch us trade back up at the lower end of the 2nd round.

67 + 108 would get us to 57
67 + 141 would get us to 61
67 + 186 would get us to 64

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:24 PM
apparently NFL GM's aren't as high on Austin and Paea as NFL fans.

There arent alot of teams taking risks on players who have been hurt.

Inkana7
04-29-2011, 05:24 PM
Harris is gone, guys. I'm also upset about no DT, but just sayin'. There's some logic behind it, and our O-Line sucked even when Harris did play.

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 05:24 PM
I guess the Broncos took bpa on their board...

srphoenix
04-29-2011, 05:24 PM
i'm sure I'll warm up to it, we needed more bulk and run blocking on the line, still hoping there's a DT available for us in the 3rd

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:24 PM
I think that Al is just a meat puppet over there.

OBF1
04-29-2011, 05:25 PM
Love the pick and Nailed it in the Mock draft!^5

Shhhhhh do not tell them about our insider status ^5

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:25 PM
BOOOO!

broncosteven
04-29-2011, 05:25 PM
why does everyone hate on Harris? Our yards per rush went up a yard when he returned to the lineup last year/

Need depth behind him. I never want to see Hockstein on our sideline ever again.

BroncoLifer
04-29-2011, 05:25 PM
apparently NFL GM's aren't as high on Austin and Paea as NFL fans.

Fans are better at cheering than making draft picks? How dare you, sir!

MVP-06
04-29-2011, 05:26 PM
Harris is gone, guys. I'm also upset about no DT, but just sayin'. There's some logic behind it, and our O-Line sucked even when Harris did play.

I would disagree. Moreno had way more holes when Harris was back and Beadles went back inside. What is the story on Kuper? Didn't he have a bad ankle or something last year?

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:26 PM
Broncos must have a DT or two earmarked in free agency.

OBF1
04-29-2011, 05:26 PM
Most guys get a call from a coach or owner. Our guys get a call from John F'ing Elway!!!

Personally, I would rather get a call from the Duke than the president of the United States :thumbs:

RaiderH8r
04-29-2011, 05:27 PM
We may still be able to snag Paea later in the second with a trade up. Hell, we might be able to get Bowers as an UDFA at the rate he's dropping.

broncosteven
04-29-2011, 05:27 PM
Harris is injury prone and not currently under contract. OL was a big need.

I didn't think Harris was under contract, he is likely gone now.

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 05:27 PM
http://www.giftsandfreeadvice.com/free_advice/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/cartman_pissed_off.jpg

enjolras
04-29-2011, 05:27 PM
Wrong side of the Ball. Franklin is a luxury pick when we have Harris at RT, Beadles at LG, and Kuper at RG. We have no(As is zero) decent defensive tackles.

It's going to take more than one year to fix this mess.

broncosteven
04-29-2011, 05:27 PM
I would disagree. Moreno had way more holes when Harris was back and Beadles went back inside. What is the story on Kuper? Didn't he have a bad ankle or something last year?

Early but he was still the best OL

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 05:27 PM
Raiders so predictable. Greasy takes another Wisz.

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:27 PM
Orlando Franklin could be a major score folks. That guy could bring that nasty attitude and power to the group that we have and really add something to the team.

Quoydogs
04-29-2011, 05:28 PM
Personally, I would rather get a call from the Duke than the president of the United States :thumbs:

This

Gcver2ver3
04-29-2011, 05:28 PM
it'll take me a bit to warm up to this one...what the heck do we have against drafting DTs?...sheez...

only way i feel better about this is if one of the DTs we hoped for slips to our next pick...

MVP-06
04-29-2011, 05:28 PM
Franklin wins a stare off that's for sure. Wouldn't want to be in a dark ally with him

schaaf
04-29-2011, 05:29 PM
I'm perfectly fine with the Franklin pick, he looked like one mean ****er

Carmelo15
04-29-2011, 05:29 PM
Personally, I would rather get a call from the Duke than the president of the United States
You must be a Republican lol

schaaf
04-29-2011, 05:30 PM
You must be a Republican lol

not necessarily, the duke's a ****ing boss

Chris
04-29-2011, 05:30 PM
316 viewing this thread.... and 316 pissed off at that last pick....

Way to erode my confidence in you, EFX.... you better be goddamned right about Franklin....

Franklin is 316 lbs. Coincidence?

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:30 PM
It's going to take more than one year to fix this mess.

Yeah, and the line needs addressing on both sides of the ball. Denver cant rush the ball for crap inside.

With Tebow here, we can run inside draws and Franklin is a bulldozer with barbed wire on it in there.

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 05:30 PM
There will be good OGs still on the board at 67. DTs? Probably not so much.

OBF1
04-29-2011, 05:30 PM
apparently NFL GM's aren't as high on Austin and Paea as The genuis fans on the Orangemane.

Fixed it for you

Carmelo15
04-29-2011, 05:31 PM
not necessarily, the duke's a ****ing boss

I was just playin, Elway is dope

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 05:31 PM
Orlando Franklin's picture, from his college bio:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/mifl/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/5667304.jpeg

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:32 PM
it'll take me a bit to warm up to this one...what the heck do we have against drafting DTs?...sheez...

only way i feel better about this is if one of the DTs we hoped for slips to our next pick...

I think they have guys theyre looking at in free agency.

I wouldnt be surprised to see Kris Jenkins here. Would rather see Mebane.

Killericon
04-29-2011, 05:32 PM
Broncos must have a DT or two earmarked in free agency.

I ****ing hope so. I've never, in my time as a Bronco fan, seen the position taken seriously.

Doggcow
04-29-2011, 05:32 PM
**** shanny. He never drafted this well for us...

Carmelo15
04-29-2011, 05:32 PM
Xanders & Elway "BPA at a position of need". S and RT were both positions of need so I can't be mad. I actually like the Franklin pick better

Lycan
04-29-2011, 05:32 PM
Orlando Franklin's picture, from his college bio:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/mifl/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/5667304.jpeg

Those are the eyes of an axe-murderer. It's a good thing.

oubronco
04-29-2011, 05:32 PM
I ****ing hope so. I've never, in my time as a Bronco fan, seen the position taken seriously.

EVER!!!!

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:32 PM
Orlando Franklin's picture, from his college bio:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/mifl/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/5667304.jpeg

LOL

You dont want to look him in the eyes.

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:34 PM
I ****ing hope so. I've never, in my time as a Bronco fan, seen the position taken seriously.

I know, man. Sucks.

errand
04-29-2011, 05:34 PM
interesting thought, Williams seems a bit out of place on the Cards with both 1st rounder beanie wells and hightower there, still seems far-fetched though

Not when you take into consideration Wells lack of durability.....

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 05:34 PM
There will be good OGs still on the board at 67. DTs? Probably not so much.

That's my thought. I really like Franklin as a prospect. Mean, nasty SOB who we can plug in at either RT or G. But can we get a guy at DT who can start in the 3rd? Maybe they plan to target some FAs like Mebane.

OBF1
04-29-2011, 05:35 PM
You must be a Republican lol

No, been registered as an independant for 30+ years. I do not feel I need to be associated with either party, expecially with all the crap BOTH parties have been offering up lately.

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:35 PM
Broncos what...17 picks back?

Wheer's requiem with the top 17 on the board for Denver?

KO5K
04-29-2011, 05:35 PM
Ronald Fields and Kevin Vickerson starting DT.

LMFAO.

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 05:35 PM
EVER!!!!

Well, not EVER. I assume your old enough to remember Pryce. But, yeah, it's been a long time.

listopencil
04-29-2011, 05:36 PM
Orlando Franklin's picture, from his college bio:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/mifl/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/5667304.jpeg

http://uspresswire.com/image/thumb/250-250/5190704.jpg

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 05:36 PM
Broncos what...17 picks back?

Wheer's requiem with the top 17 on the board for Denver?

We pick next at 67.

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 05:36 PM
the oline better be good, the last two drafts have focused on the oline...

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 05:36 PM
That's my thought. I really like Franklin as a prospect. Mean, nasty SOB who we can plug in at either RT or G. But can we get a guy at DT who can start in the 3rd? Maybe they plan to target some FAs like Mebane.

I'll bet Knowshon likes the pick.

go_broncos
04-29-2011, 05:36 PM
When will Denver realize that DT is an important position?..

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:36 PM
What the heck has happened with DaQuan Bowers? He has fallen off the map.

Feel bad for the guy.

schaaf
04-29-2011, 05:37 PM
buccaneers get bowers

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 05:37 PM
Lynch, you dog!

gunns
04-29-2011, 05:37 PM
I think that Al is just a meat puppet over there.

Hated his Dad. A dirty ass player

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:38 PM
http://uspresswire.com/image/thumb/250-250/5190704.jpg

I love this pick. This dude has NFL written all over him.

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 05:38 PM
I'll bet Knowshon likes the pick.

Yeah. I don't out right hate the pick, because OL was definitely a need if Harris is gonna walk, and this guy is exactly the sort you love on the OL. But that is GAPING hole at DT. Who knows, maybe Paea or Austin slide into the 3rd. No one else has jumped on them yet.

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 05:38 PM
bowers finally goes

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 05:38 PM
There he goes

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:38 PM
There goes Bowers. :(

OBF1
04-29-2011, 05:38 PM
I wanted a DT as well, But I am sure the brass know alot more than we do. Moore is the best safety in the draft and Franklin is one mean muther fu ck er. He will make an excellent right tackle to protect Tebow. DT next pick or Denver already has some plan for free agents.

oubronco
04-29-2011, 05:39 PM
26 of the first 50 picks have been lineman

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 05:39 PM
Love this draft so far - no DT (yet?) but we needed OL as well.

If you're one of the people "banging the table" for Tebow to start then you have to like this pick.

The only thing on this planet that got pounded on more than Ryan Harris was Bob's gaping rectum.

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 05:39 PM
I wanted a DT as well, But I am sure the brass know alot more than we do. Moore is the best safety in the draft and Franklin is one mean muther fu ck er. He will make an excellent right tackle to protect Tebow. DT next pick or Denver already has some plan for free agents.

yep, RT and Tebow's blind side...

Gcver2ver3
04-29-2011, 05:39 PM
I think they have guys theyre looking at in free agency.

I wouldnt be surprised to see Kris Jenkins here. Would rather see Mebane.

i hope you're right...

i don't know what else to say...

Carmelo15
04-29-2011, 05:39 PM
Bucs got a new D-Line

oubronco
04-29-2011, 05:39 PM
from 1st to 50th in a month damn

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 05:40 PM
Yeah. I don't out right hate the pick, because OL was definitely a need if Harris is gonna walk, and this guy is exactly the sort you love on the OL. But that is GAPING hole at DT. Who knows, maybe Paea or Austin slide into the 3rd. No one else has jumped on them yet.

Yep. We got us a sinkhole at DT.

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:40 PM
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/71/718706.jpg

Gcver2ver3
04-29-2011, 05:41 PM
great value pick for the bucs....

the cats out here in tampa will be buzzing like crazy...

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:41 PM
http://www.duiattorneyz.info/images/2011/03/298ca66day_football.jpg

Doggcow
04-29-2011, 05:41 PM
At least bowers went to a team I don't care at all about

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 05:41 PM
bowers is a luxury pick at this point

gunns
04-29-2011, 05:41 PM
I wanted a DT as well, But I am sure the brass know alot more than we do. Moore is the best safety in the draft and Franklin is one mean muther fu ck er. He will make an excellent right tackle to protect Tebow. DT next pick or Denver already has some plan for free agents.

That's what I'm thinking. We did need a RT, it's the one offensive position I didn't mind taking. And John knows how important that OL is. Just still a little nervous about the DT's.

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:41 PM
http://dallascowboystimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/orlando-franklin-miami-495x307.jpg

errand
04-29-2011, 05:41 PM
What is wrong with alot of you clowns? we needed a pass rusher, we got him in von miller...we needed a safety too, and we got him in Rahim Moore, we needed a RT to replace Harris, and we got him....there's still some quality DT's left....

oubronco
04-29-2011, 05:41 PM
Whats the medical concern for Franklin

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:42 PM
http://eyeofthehurricane.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/orlando-franklin-canes.jpg

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 05:42 PM
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/71/718706.jpg

"I eat babies."

SoDak Bronco
04-29-2011, 05:42 PM
Who are the likely dts available at 67?

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 05:42 PM
Ronald Fields and Kevin Vickerson starting DT.

LMFAO.

Says who?

Did I miss something and we're fast forwarded to season opener tomorrow or something?


Damnit - always seems to happen when I smoke that good weed.

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:43 PM
Look at how massive that dude's head is!

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 05:43 PM
Giants might go DT

Carmelo15
04-29-2011, 05:43 PM
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/71/718706.jpg

http://blogs.e-rockford.com/movieman/files/2009/05/tinylister.jpg

That's MY QB Punk!

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 05:44 PM
Who are the likely dts available at 67?

In order:

Stephen Paea
Marvin Austin
Jurrell Casey
Drake Nevis
Jarvis Jenkins
Terrell McClain
Kenrick Ellis

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 05:44 PM
Believe Jarvis Jenkins was selected no?

Man-Goblin
04-29-2011, 05:45 PM
Whats the medical concern for Franklin

The medical concern is yours if you piss him off.

gunns
04-29-2011, 05:45 PM
That dude is huge! And mean looking

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:45 PM
He's like the black version of that motorcycle bounty hunter from Raising Arizona.
http://www.gabrielglewis.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/leonard_smalls_raising_arizona.jpg

oubronco
04-29-2011, 05:45 PM
well there goes austin

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 05:45 PM
That's what I figured.

vanbrugh
04-29-2011, 05:45 PM
With the pass rush coming next year QB's will be crappin themselves. Dont be suprised if bannon and williams return.

Lycan
04-29-2011, 05:45 PM
Down goes Marvin Austin.

Carmelo15
04-29-2011, 05:45 PM
Assuming Austin and Paea are gone, I think Kenrick Ellis will be the pick at 67. Xanders really liked him

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 05:46 PM
Sorry, Jenkins already selected:

Stephen Paea
Marvin Austin
Jurrell Casey
Drake Nevis
Terrell McClain
Kenrick Ellis

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 05:46 PM
NYG take marvin austin!

Drunk Monkey
04-29-2011, 05:46 PM
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:46 PM
There goes Marvin Austin

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 05:47 PM
Sigh....

Stephen Paea
Jurrell Casey
Drake Nevis
Terrell McClain
Kenrick Ellis

MVP-06
04-29-2011, 05:47 PM
I think it's obvious that EFX is going with picks who have little off the field or medical concerns. Paea was hurt, Austin has otf concerns. We got burned on the Marcus Thomas pick a few years back. Elway isn't going to let it happen again

spdirty
04-29-2011, 05:47 PM
And Marvin Austin goes to...guess who...The New York ****ing Giants, the team known for great DLine play.

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:47 PM
Sorry, Jenkins already selected:

Stephen Paea
Marvin Austin
Jurrell Casey
Drake Nevis
Terrell McClain
Kenrick Ellis

Nevis isnt too bad.

ICON
04-29-2011, 05:47 PM
Assuming Austin and Paea are gone, I think Kenrick Ellis will be the pick at 67. Xanders really liked himYep

oubronco
04-29-2011, 05:48 PM
Bears up and they will take Paea Damn it

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 05:48 PM
Broncos said they wanted 4 starters with their first 4 picks...

listopencil
04-29-2011, 05:48 PM
What is wrong with alot of you clowns? we needed a pass rusher, we got him in von miller...we needed a safety too, and we got him in Rahim Moore, we needed a RT to replace Harris, and we got him....there's still some quality DT's left....


I think the hope was that we would grab a DT in the 2nd because the position was so deep that we'd get an impact player at a position of dire need. I know that we have several holes to fill. Our run blocking was just worthless and drafting this guy looks like a step in the right direction for the Offense. But we needed a guy at every level of the D. Still hoping we get at least a solid DT next round. I was just excited at the prospect of getting "impact" vs. "solid".

OBF1
04-29-2011, 05:48 PM
Anyone else notice that Peyton Manning is going to be even harder to get to with the draft they are putting together???

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:48 PM
I think it's obvious that EFX is going with picks who have little off the field or medical concerns. Paea was hurt, Austin has otf concerns. We got burned on the Marcus Thomas pick a few years back. Elway isn't going to let it happen again

I think there's some truth to this. Elway and Fox kept saying they had to make these picks count.

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 05:49 PM
As far as DT position goes now, you've got Paea, and a bunch of backups.

Bronco Yoda
04-29-2011, 05:49 PM
And Marvin Austin goes to...guess who...The New York ****ing Giants, the team known for great DLine play.

yep

oubronco
04-29-2011, 05:50 PM
http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1306227197/ewing0406-1_normal.jpg
PostBroncos (http://twitter.com/#!/PostBroncos) Lindsay Jones



Spags let Josh in the draft room? RT @miklasz (http://twitter.com/miklasz): FYI, Josh McDaniels really wanted this TE.

2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#!/PostBroncos/status/64113804245610496)


Uh Oh

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:50 PM
And Marvin Austin goes to...guess who...The New York ****ing Giants, the team known for great DLine play.

They add strength to strength like Pittsburgh and Green Bay.

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 05:50 PM
There ya go. No more DTs worth a damn

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 05:50 PM
UFB, Paea to bears

enjolras
04-29-2011, 05:50 PM
Bears took Paea.

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 05:50 PM
What does the FA DT list look like?


I'm not as disappointed at not getting a DT so far as some of you seem to be. I understand the 'need' but i'm high enough on adding Fox, healthy Dumervil, LDE Ayers, Miller, that having Vickerson and whoever else in the middle is fine by me.

Chill out and think of the possibilities: Vickerson and Mebane? Vickerson and Jenkins? Vickerson and Bannon?


To be honest those options sound much better to me than Vickerson and some unproven rookie - but that's just me.

What's the average contribution for a rookie DT not named Suh (the 'manes one year HOF candidate)?

Gcver2ver3
04-29-2011, 05:51 PM
i'm not interested in late round camp fodder DTs...

if we aren't getting any of the top rated DTs that have all been discussed amongst us the last few weeks then lets just grab some RBs or ILBs...

EDIT: Bears traded to get the last good DT...

ayjackson
04-29-2011, 05:51 PM
We passed on Dareus at #2. We passed on picking at #36. We passed on Paea/Austin at #45/46. I don't think they're thinking DT in this draft.

oubronco
04-29-2011, 05:51 PM
http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/657785492/alex__mcfadden_normal.jpg
mortreport (http://twitter.com/#!/mortreport) Chris Mortensen



Washington trades down; Chicago gives up 62 and 127 to move up to 53

2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#!/mortreport/status/64114058596589569)

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:52 PM
Crap. There he goes.

Broncoman13
04-29-2011, 05:52 PM
Shanny and Allen working the draft to perfection!

oubronco
04-29-2011, 05:52 PM
Well this fuggin sucks

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 05:52 PM
Damn it.

Jurrell Casey
Drake Nevis
Terrell McClain
Kenrick Ellis

Bronco Yoda
04-29-2011, 05:52 PM
FU Bears

MVP-06
04-29-2011, 05:52 PM
Casey Mathews at #67?

Gcver2ver3
04-29-2011, 05:52 PM
i guess we'll go UDFA for DT again...that worked so well last time...

Chris Baker 2.0 here we come...

OBF1
04-29-2011, 05:53 PM
There are still a number of Middle Linebackers available...maybe we can get one.

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 05:53 PM
We passed on Dareus at #2. We passed on picking at #36. We passed on Paea/Austin at #45/46. I don't think they're thinking DT in this draft.

No kidding?

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 05:53 PM
Broncos better keep Marcus Thomas...

phibacka31
04-29-2011, 05:53 PM
There are still a number of Middle Linebackers available...maybe we can get one.

Exactly my thoughts friend!

oubronco
04-29-2011, 05:53 PM
Chicago lets go of their d line and then they address it in the draft........ huh thats how you do it?

OBF1
04-29-2011, 05:54 PM
Casey Mathews at #67?

Let's hope not

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:54 PM
We passed on Dareus at #2. We passed on picking at #36. We passed on Paea/Austin at #45/46. I don't think they're thinking DT in this draft.

They talked about addressing it in FA, but FA is all messed up.

At some point this franchise is going to have to start picking talented line players high in the draft.

Bronco Yoda
04-29-2011, 05:54 PM
**** this I'm going to Tivo. We're not going to get a DT.

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 05:54 PM
DTs are all played out, as far as I'm concerned.... here's the best defensive players left on my board (in order):

Brandon Harris 
Justin Houston
Christian Ballard
Jurrell Casey
Martez Wilson
Allen Bailey
Dontay Moch
Allen Bailey


Pick one... any one....

rmsanger
04-29-2011, 05:54 PM
WTF.. why don't we ever take the DT position seriously? Pisses me off...

lostknight
04-29-2011, 05:55 PM
Looks like FA Dts

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 05:55 PM
Broncos are banking on Doom coming back strong and Ayers developing into the other bookend DE.

Lycan
04-29-2011, 05:55 PM
DTs are all played out, as far as I'm concerned.... here's the best defensive players left on my board (in order):

Brandon Harris 
Justin Houston
Christian Ballard
Jurrell Casey
Martez Wilson
Allen Bailey
Dontay Moch
Allen Bailey


Pick one... any one....



You really like Allen Bailey huh?

oubronco
04-29-2011, 05:55 PM
WTF.. why don't we ever take the DT position seriously? Pisses me off...

Me too

Carmelo15
04-29-2011, 05:55 PM
Casey Mathews at #67?

Nah. Kenrick Ellis. Casey Matthews at 108 maybe

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 05:55 PM
I guess I'll hope for Colin McCarthy, MLB, for 67 now.

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:56 PM
Broncos 12 picks back.

ICON
04-29-2011, 05:56 PM
Casey Mathews at #67?I'd love that but that's just me.

Gcver2ver3
04-29-2011, 05:56 PM
i really want to defend them but this just makes no sense to me...

DT is literally our biggest weakness and quite frankly it has been for what, 5 years?...

how is it every year we seemingly disregard this position with our draft picks?...

phibacka31
04-29-2011, 05:56 PM
I'm not going to Jinx who I really want

enjolras
04-29-2011, 05:56 PM
What's the point of forcing a DT pick if you don't like the players? Again, this isn't getting fixed this year. A 6-10 year is a GOOD year for the Broncos.

listopencil
04-29-2011, 05:57 PM
There are still a number of Middle Linebackers available...maybe we can get one.

I'd be happy with a decent MLB next.

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:57 PM
DTs are all played out, as far as I'm concerned.... here's the best defensive players left on my board (in order):

Brandon Harris 
Justin Houston
Christian Ballard
Jurrell Casey
Martez Wilson
Allen Bailey
Dontay Moch
Allen Bailey


Pick one... any one....

I like Ballard. He seems like a guy that could be in the range of 67.

Broncoman13
04-29-2011, 05:58 PM
Wilson at 67.

oubronco
04-29-2011, 05:58 PM
I'm going to be pissed watching Paea kickin ass on the Bears D this year

MVP-06
04-29-2011, 05:58 PM
What about that Wilson kid from Illinois. Saw something on here that DJ was really high on him. Any chance he falls to us?

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 05:58 PM
the chefs take...

gunns
04-29-2011, 05:58 PM
I thought Bannon was gone. And there is no guarantee we will get those DT's in FA. Now I'm really nervous.

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 05:59 PM
What's the point of forcing a DT pick if you don't like the players? Again, this isn't getting fixed this year. A 6-10 year is a GOOD year for the Broncos.

Thats true.

DT is a position that doesnt usually pay off right away, so you hope that Denver takes one to where it allows them to rotate them in slowly.

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 05:59 PM
rodney hudson, center

cabronco
04-29-2011, 05:59 PM
We'll pick rb or TE with the next pick. Not sure who, just a better bet than saying DT.

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 05:59 PM
Me too

Yeah it sucks but we have gaping holes nearly everywhere and we're addressing them. IMO we're having a hell of a draft so far, I really like it. Yeah nothing at the great savior position of DT but we still have FA and the rest of the draft.


Suh has really poisoned peoples minds with his Great 1 year. Valuable position but damn, we don't have to fall apart just because we didn't draft a rookie DT that we can all pray to God actually pans out.

I'm fine with hitting FA - this draft is filling holes and i'm happy about it.

enjolras
04-29-2011, 05:59 PM
Hudson for the Chefs

broncolife
04-29-2011, 06:00 PM
We better not be cheap in FA. Because we definately need to come out with DT.

KO5K
04-29-2011, 06:00 PM
I thought Bannon was gone. And there is no guarantee we will get those DT's in FA. Now I'm really nervous.

Pretty much. Unless he agrees to come back for a pay cut.

Marcus Thomas says he wants to test the waters.

So our starting DTs right now are Kevin Vickerson and Ronald Fields.

I'm wondering whether Charles or McFadden can break 300 yards against us.

broncolife
04-29-2011, 06:00 PM
We'll pick rb or TE with the next pick. Not sure who, just a better bet than saying DT.

thats what I am thinking to or lb

Killericon
04-29-2011, 06:00 PM
Thats true.

DT is a position that doesnt usually pay off right away, so you hope that Denver takes one to where it allows them to rotate them in slowly.

That's the point. Take DTs now and let them build into the players you'll need in 2-3 years when you're competing.

****ing Broncos, man. What is it with this team and the DT spot?

oubronco
04-29-2011, 06:00 PM
Yeah it sucks but we have gaping holes nearly everywhere and we're addressing them. IMO we're having a hell of a draft so far, I really like it. Yeah nothing at the great savior position of DT but we still have FA and the rest of the draft.


Suh has really poisoned peoples minds with his Great 1 year. Valuable position but damn, we don't have to fall apart just because we didn't draft a rookie DT that we can all pray to God actually pans out.

I'm fine with hitting FA - this draft is filling holes and i'm happy about it.

This was a great year to address our biggest need from the last 10 years and they passed.....Why?

MVP-06
04-29-2011, 06:01 PM
Martez Wilson


SI Grade
2.95
Grading System (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/draft-2011/grading_system/)



Position: OLB (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/draft-2011/breakdowns/by_position/OLB.html)
Class: 4Jr
School: Illinois (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/draft-2011/breakdowns/by_school/49.html)

Conference: Big Ten (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/draft-2011/breakdowns/by_conference/4.html)
HT: 6-3.5
WT: 250
40 Time: 4.45


Biography: "Two-year starter awarded all-Conference honors as a junior after leading Illinois in tackles, posting 112/11.5/4 with one interception and four pass break-ups. Played one game in 2009 before being forced to the sidelines with a herniated disc in his neck. Sophomore totals of 2008 included 73/5.5/3."

Positives: "Tall, athletic defender with potential at a variety of linebacker positions. Fluid, smooth moving about the field, and easily makes plays in space. Forceful on the blitz, quickly fills gaps in run defense, and wraps up tackling. Breaks down well, rarely off his feet, and easily plays off blocks. Effectively uses his hands, shows a burst of speed, and can pursue the action sideline to sideline. Plays with terrific balance and body control."

Negatives: Does not show a killer instinct and is more of a finesse defender. Does not always play with a physical nature. Has average instincts and does not consistently take proper angles to the action. Lacks a smooth and quick backpedal in coverage.

Analysis: Wilson passes the eyeball test and often plays to it on the field. He offers impressive measurables and a lot of upside but must become more physical and play to his level of ability on a consistent basis if he's to be a productive starter in the NFL.

Projection: 2nd



Not sure I like the history of a herniated disc for a LB. Also the word finesse and LB shouldn't be used in the same sentence. Anyone else seen him play?

vanbrugh
04-29-2011, 06:01 PM
RB at next pick?

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 06:01 PM
Theres no way that the Broncos roll Fields out there,

gunns
04-29-2011, 06:02 PM
i really want to defend them but this just makes no sense to me...

DT is literally our biggest weakness and quite frankly it has been for what, 5 years?...

how is it every year we seemingly disregard this position with our draft picks?...

Try at least 10 years

oubronco
04-29-2011, 06:02 PM
Theres no way that the Broncos roll Fields out there,

McBean?

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 06:03 PM
We sucked in defense last year, but it was a stupid 3-4 change when we didn't have the proper personnel to run a 3-4. We've fixed that already by switching back to a 4-3, I personally believe that one change right there will contribute much more than some rookie DT will next year.

Have some faith people - we had a half aborted retard defense the last 2 years, run by a guy that probably couldn't even spell defense.

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 06:03 PM
I could see Denver taking a TE at 67. I hope they take a DT, but at this point I am not expecting it.

errand
04-29-2011, 06:04 PM
I think the hope was that we would grab a DT in the 2nd because the position was so deep that we'd get an impact player at a position of dire need. I know that we have several holes to fill. Our run blocking was just worthless and drafting this guy looks like a step in the right direction for the Offense. But we needed a guy at every level of the D. Still hoping we get at least a solid DT next round. I was just excited at the prospect of getting "impact" vs. "solid".

agree with the "impact" over "solid"...

Having said that, this draft is actually got several DT's we could draft and get quality play out of if they live up to their hype. We needed to generate a pass rush, and fix a leaky secondary that allowed way too many big plays....

We were last with 23 sacks...doom and Miller should increase that number by 12-15...

safety play was very lacking, Dawkins can't cover me let alone NFL WR's and is 37, McBath was suppose to be the next bob sanders, and he kind of is since he's always hurt...we need a guy that can generate turnovers that our invigorated rush will surely produce.

We also need a guy that can push opposing DT's and DE's around too...and a nasty disposition is a good thing in the trenches. Franklin fits that bill.....now maybe we'll see bigger gains outta moreno, created by bigger holes to run through

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 06:04 PM
Jeremy Beal's another guy I like at MLB. He's been compared to Antonio Pierce.

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 06:04 PM
The Broncos need to pick BPA from here on out.... I think we've already screwed the pooch at DT, so might as well just get players/contributors than reaching for areas of need....

gunns
04-29-2011, 06:05 PM
Yeah it sucks but we have gaping holes nearly everywhere and we're addressing them. IMO we're having a hell of a draft so far, I really like it. Yeah nothing at the great savior position of DT but we still have FA and the rest of the draft.


Suh has really poisoned peoples minds with his Great 1 year. Valuable position but damn, we don't have to fall apart just because we didn't draft a rookie DT that we can all pray to God actually pans out.

I'm fine with hitting FA - this draft is filling holes and i'm happy about it.

Suh hasn't poisoned minds. He's just shown what we've been missing. I have no problem filling these holes but DT is a hole we've had for years and a big reason we sit home during playoffs. And where's the guarantee we land a decent DT in FA?

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 06:05 PM
Nevis or Ellis would be good picks @ #67 if available. We get either of those, I'll feel MUCH better about the Franklin pick.

oubronco
04-29-2011, 06:06 PM
Jeremy Beal's another guy I like at MLB. He's been compared to Antonio Pierce.

Beals a DE

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 06:06 PM
I'd be OK with Nevis in the 3rd -- he's a good fit for a 4-3, but doesn't work at all in the 3-4, so he'll probably be there....

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 06:07 PM
Jeremy Beal's another guy I like at MLB. He's been compared to Antonio Pierce.

There talking about Beal as a MLB?

He played DE at Oklahoma. Good player.

footstepsfrom#27
04-29-2011, 06:07 PM
Yeah. I don't out right hate the pick, because OL was definitely a need if Harris is gonna walk, and this guy is exactly the sort you love on the OL. But that is GAPING hole at DT. Who knows, maybe Paea or Austin slide into the 3rd. No one else has jumped on them yet.
Denial...it's not just a river in Egypt. Fact is...we say this kind of **** to ourselves to excuse the continuation of what is a year in and year out failure across four coaching regimes spanning nearly three decades of this team simply refusing to draft a defensive line. I see only one constant during all this time, and his name is Pat Bowlen. For whatever reason, this guy doesn't want to pay D-linemen and so we continue to see the exact same thing every year. If there was ever a draft we could have gotten fat on defensive linemen, it was this one.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 06:07 PM
This was a great year to address our biggest need from the last 10 years and they passed.....Why?

Don't know - THEY are the professionals, WE are the guys sitting at HOME behind computers.


While we were getting up in the morning and going to our jobs that might be - doctors, gas station attendant, computer technicians, etc...... those guys were evaluating talent for 18hrs a day.

I spent maybe 6 hours total watching clips of players, should I submit my resume to Broncos HQ?

I understand the need for DT - and it's a position that I really really want (badly). I'm with 99% of the board - as a fan I see DT as our biggest need. That being said, i'm not a professional and will never claim to be. I will however back the team 100% and trust that their research and know how is far greater than my youtube searches.

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 06:07 PM
There ya go. No more DTs worth a damn

Not true. I liked Paea and would have been very happy with the pick, but he is not an instant impact guy. Didn't start playing football until he was 16 and has SERIOUS technique issues. He's the classic DT who doesn't hit his stride till year 3. I think Nevis has less upside, but will be ready to play quicker than Paea. Now, it's just a matter of him being available @ #67 and us actually picking (of course, no guarantee). Believe me, I'm not thrilled, but we can still get a quality prospect.

srphoenix
04-29-2011, 06:07 PM
Nevis or Ellis would be good picks @ #67 if available. We get either of those, I'll feel MUCH better about the Franklin pick.

agreed, they must've had moore and franklin ranked pretty high on their bpa.

errand
04-29-2011, 06:08 PM
i really want to defend them but this just makes no sense to me...

DT is literally our biggest weakness and quite frankly it has been for what, 5 years?...

how is it every year we seemingly disregard this position with our draft picks?...

We haven't disregarded it as much as we've just plain whiffed on the guys we did pick....Moss, Crowder, thomas....can't fix it with inferior parts

Lycan
04-29-2011, 06:08 PM
Is anyone else getting pissed at Gruden for spoiling every other pick with his "predictions"?

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 06:08 PM
As long as we're waiting for our 3rd-rounder... any comments on Rahim Moore's neck?

http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/rahimmoore.jpg

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 06:09 PM
agreed, they must've had moore and franklin ranked pretty high on their bpa.

Yeah, I really like Franklin, but there were DT prospects I liked as much or better in Paea and Austin. But Nevis and Ellis are very good prospects still on the board.

skunk
04-29-2011, 06:09 PM
what a waste of time

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 06:09 PM
Beals a DE

I'll bet he plays LB in the NFL. MLB in a 4-3.

skunk
04-29-2011, 06:09 PM
Is anyone else getting pissed at Gruden for spoiling every other pick with his "predictions"?

no, because im not retarded

oubronco
04-29-2011, 06:10 PM
no, because im not retarded

Sure about that

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 06:11 PM
Broncos now 9 picks back...who is left on the board now?

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 06:11 PM
not tory smith

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 06:11 PM
As long as we're waiting for our 3rd-rounder... any comments on Rahim Moore's neck?

http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/rahimmoore.jpg

Goiter? :)

phibacka31
04-29-2011, 06:11 PM
not tory smith

Why?

oubronco
04-29-2011, 06:11 PM
mortreport (http://twitter.com/#!/mortreport) Chris Mortensen



Lions get 1-2 punch to compliment Jahvid Best by drafting RB Mikel LeShoure,who didn't fumble in 461 career touches

2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#!/mortreport/status/64119107871703041)

Damn

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 06:11 PM
Seven picks away

Lycan
04-29-2011, 06:12 PM
no, because im not retarded

It just annoys me for some reason. I get that it is supposed to be funny or something but he just comes across as annoying there. And I usually don't mind Gruden.

mhgaffney
04-29-2011, 06:12 PM
I don't think we missed with Marcus Thomas. He just took time to develop.

oubronco
04-29-2011, 06:13 PM
I don't think we missed with Marcus Thomas. He just took time to develop.

They better try to resign him

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 06:13 PM
Dontay Moch is still on the board.

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 06:13 PM
Suh hasn't poisoned minds. He's just shown what we've been missing. I have no problem filling these holes but DT is a hole we've had for years and a big reason we sit home during playoffs. And where's the guarantee we land a decent DT in FA?

Suh has ABSOLUTELY poisoned peoples minds. This guy has had 1 year of football and suddenly he's the be all end all greatest DT to ever play the game - we have to find him. After 1 year.

Wow - anything can happen with a persons career. Great year by Suh but doesn't mean anything long term otherwise there wouldn't be a Top 10 1 YEAR WONDER show on the NFL Network.

There is no guarantee that we land a DT in FA. None at all. But you're willing to tell me that our 3-4 defense was completely optimized with proper talent when we ran it? I will HIGHLY doubt that - it was an 'in transition' switch with players that didn't fit that scheme. Switching back to the 4-3 with the current personnel is going to help tremendously.

Had we already been a 4-3 team and still at the bottom of the league I would be pitching a fit for a DT. But we were last in the league during mid transition with players not fitting that scheme.

phibacka31
04-29-2011, 06:13 PM
Dontay Moch is still on the board.

Like him, but where do you put him?

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 06:13 PM
Here's my defensive board:

Brandon Harris
Justin Houston
Christian Ballard
Jurrell Casey
Martez Wilson
Allen Bailey
Dontay Moch

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 06:14 PM
I don't think we missed with Marcus Thomas. He just took time to develop.

I really hope we resign him. He's never gotten a chance to play the 3 tech, which is his natural position. He's improved every year even play at a spot not ideal to his skill set, so I think he could really blossom under Fox.

oubronco
04-29-2011, 06:14 PM
Dontay Moch is still on the board.

Is the MLB from Washinton still available

phibacka31
04-29-2011, 06:14 PM
Is the MLB from Washinton still available

I would LOVE Foster

BroncoInferno
04-29-2011, 06:14 PM
Dontay Moch is still on the board.

Would be a redundant pick with Miller. Almost identical prospects from a projection stand point.

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 06:15 PM
Torrey Smith looks pretty good.

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 06:15 PM
browns select little, another WR

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 06:16 PM
Would be a redundant pick with Miller. Almost identical prospects from a projection stand point.

In a 4-3, we've got Von Miller at Sam and DJ is probably the Will. Still could use another backer, though....

srphoenix
04-29-2011, 06:16 PM
Texans gotta be going brandon harris here

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 06:17 PM
Would be a redundant pick with Miller. Almost identical prospects from a projection stand point.

Sure would put a lot of speed in the backfield - Miller, Moch, and DJ. Of course, we don't have the DTs to keep the guards off of them.

listopencil
04-29-2011, 06:17 PM
Here's a list of ILB's from CBS Sports, the ones they have rated as the top 10 available:

<table class="CBSiTable data" id="DraftTrackerTopTen" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="title"><td colspan="6">Best Available</td></tr> <tr class="label"> <th title="sort" width="20">Pos. Rank</th> <th title="sort" width="300">Player</th> <th title="sort">Pos.</th> <th title="sort" width="40">Ht.</th> <th title="sort" width="40">Wt.</th> <th title="sort" width="526">School</th> </tr> </tbody><tbody id="DraftTrackerTopTenData"><tr class="row1"><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">1</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">1</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">Wilson</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">Martez Wilson (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1272548/martez-wilson) http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/video.gif (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1272548/martez-wilson) </dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;"><a href='/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/position/ILB' filter='position' option='ILB'>ILB</a></dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">ILB (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/position/ILB)</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">6-4</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">6-4</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">250</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">250</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;"><a href='/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/school/IL' filter='school' option='IL'>Illinois</a></dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">Illinois (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/school/IL)</dd></dl></td></tr><tr class="row2"><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">2</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">2</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">McCarthy</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">Colin McCarthy (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1116624/colin-mccarthy) http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/video.gif (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1116624/colin-mccarthy) </dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;"><a href='/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/position/ILB' filter='position' option='ILB'>ILB</a></dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">ILB (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/position/ILB)</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">6-1</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">6-1</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">235</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">235</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;"><a href='/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/school/MIA' filter='school' option='MIA'>Miami (Fla.)</a></dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">Miami (Fla.) (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/school/MIA)</dd></dl></td></tr><tr class="row1"><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">3</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">3</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">Sturdivant</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">Quan Sturdivant (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1243011/quan-sturdivant) http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/video.gif (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker) </dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;"><a href='/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/position/ILB' filter='position' option='ILB'>ILB</a></dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">ILB (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/position/ILB)</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">6-2</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">6-2</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">230</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">230</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;"><a href='/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/school/NC' filter='school' option='NC'>North Carolina</a></dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">North Carolina (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/school/NC)</dd></dl></td></tr><tr class="row2"><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">4</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">4</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">Matthews</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">Casey Matthews (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1264207/casey-matthews) http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/video.gif (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1264207/casey-matthews) </dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;"><a href='/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/position/ILB' filter='position' option='ILB'>ILB</a></dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">ILB (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/position/ILB)</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">6-1</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">6-1</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">232</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">232</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;"><a href='/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/school/OR' filter='school' option='OR'>Oregon</a></dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">Oregon (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/school/OR)</dd></dl></td></tr><tr class="row1"><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">6</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">6</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">Jones</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">Greg Jones (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1263443/greg-jones) http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/video.gif (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1263443/greg-jones) </dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;"><a href='/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/position/ILB' filter='position' option='ILB'>ILB</a></dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">ILB (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/position/ILB)</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">6-0</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">6-0</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">240</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">240</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;"><a href='/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/school/MIST' filter='school' option='MIST'>Michigan State</a></dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">Michigan State (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/school/MIST)</dd></dl></td></tr><tr class="row2"><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">7</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">7</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">Sheppard</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">Kelvin Sheppard (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1116449/kelvin-sheppard) http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/video.gif (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1116449/kelvin-sheppard) </dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;"><a href='/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/position/ILB' filter='position' option='ILB'>ILB</a></dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">ILB (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/position/ILB)</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">6-2</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">6-2</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">250</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">250</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;"><a href='/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/school/LSU' filter='school' option='LSU'>LSU</a></dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">LSU (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/school/LSU)</dd></dl></td></tr><tr class="row1"><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">8</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">8</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">Irving</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">Nate Irving (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1117345/nate-irving) http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/video.gif (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker) </dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;"><a href='/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/position/ILB' filter='position' option='ILB'>ILB</a></dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">ILB (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/position/ILB)</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">6-1</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">6-1</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">242</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">242</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;"><a href='/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/school/NCST' filter='school' option='NCST'>North Carolina State</a></dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">North Carolina State (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/school/NCST)</dd></dl></td></tr><tr class="row2"><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">9</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">9</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">White</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">Chris White (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1692891/chris-white) http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/video.gif (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker) </dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;"><a href='/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/position/ILB' filter='position' option='ILB'>ILB</a></dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">ILB (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/position/ILB)</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">6-3</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">6-3</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">244</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">244</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;"><a href='/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/school/MSST' filter='school' option='MSST'>Mississippi State</a></dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">Mississippi State (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/school/MSST)</dd></dl></td></tr><tr class="row1"><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">10</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">10</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">Harvey</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">Mario Harvey (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1621549/mario-harvey) http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/video.gif (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker) </dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;"><a href='/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/position/ILB' filter='position' option='ILB'>ILB</a></dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">ILB (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/position/ILB)</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">5-11</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">5-11</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;">250</dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">250</dd></dl></td><td><dl style="margin: 0pt;"><dt style="display: none;"><a href='/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/school/MRSHL' filter='school' option='MRSHL'>Marshall</a></dt><dd style="margin: 0pt;">Marshall (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker/2011/school/MRSHL)</dd></dl></td></tr></tbody></table>


Some of these guys are going to be more 3-4 ILB's than 4-3 ILB's though. I don't know, Wilson seems to be scouted and built more like a 3-4 ILB.

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 06:17 PM
In a 4-3, we've got Von Miller at Sam and DJ is probably the Will. Still could use another backer, though....

Moch isn't going to play MLB tho.

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 06:18 PM
Sure would put a lot of speed in the backfield - Miller, Moch, and DJ. Of course, we don't have the DTs to keep the guards off of them.

Correct - we've decided to run with 0 DT's this year......right?

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 06:18 PM
Moch isn't going to play MLB tho.

Probably not... I guess DJ could move to the middle again, but nobody wants that, right?

DarkHorse30
04-29-2011, 06:19 PM
I like this draft, and I really didn't mind last years. How great is it to have 3 picks in the first 46?....and the #2 overall pick? When Carolina spent their pick on Newton, the world was our oyster.

Broncoman13
04-29-2011, 06:19 PM
Lots of FA DTs, not thrilled with a T/G but not sweating it either. Just means we will throw some serious jack at the DT position. We could end up with a Mebane/Jenkins combo. I will worry if we don't get DTs in FA.

BTW, I really like Little from UNC. He may end up being a Dwayne Bowe type. Good job Browns.

epicSocialism4tw
04-29-2011, 06:19 PM
Denver's now 7 picks back...some guys still available:

Kenrick Ellis
Drake Nevis
Brandon Harris
Martez Wilson
Davon House

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 06:19 PM
Correct - we've decided to run with 0 DT's this year......right?

Your sarcasm is noted. ;D

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 06:19 PM
172 people viewing this thread now.... almost exactly half from picks #44 and #45....

Lycan
04-29-2011, 06:19 PM
Moch isn't going to play MLB tho.

So DJ in the middle? Would be intriguing from an athleticism standpoint but I don't like DJ as an ILB.

mwill07
04-29-2011, 06:20 PM
They said they wanted four starters out of the draft... i think we've got three so far.

oubronco
04-29-2011, 06:21 PM
Rather have Foster in the middle

WABronco
04-29-2011, 06:21 PM
I bet SD takes Foster.

LRtagger
04-29-2011, 06:21 PM
good pick for the texans

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 06:21 PM
Correct - we've decided to run with 0 DT's this year......right?

We're moving to the 2-5 defense, apparently.

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 06:22 PM
Your sarcasm is noted. ;D

:~ohyah!:


I just can't put as much gripe into not taking a DT yet - I want one just like everyone else but I seriously cannot complain about this draft so far, really happy with it.

We didn't screw around with the first round, trading back and then taking something like a WR that only has 1 foot or some other stupid move so far. No injured players that i've seen yet - no retarded reaches because of someones ego, etc.....

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 06:22 PM
If we're looking for an immediate starter, here's who's out there at MLB:


Quan Sturdivant
Kelvin Sheppard
Mason Foster
Colin McCarthy
Greg Jones

mhgaffney
04-29-2011, 06:22 PM
Here's one scouting report on Rahim Moore. Looks like the kid has the potential to be a really good safety -- but needs to spend some time in the weight room

STRENGTHS

Top centerfield type safety in the draft
Instinctive in coverage - Great coverage awareness and range
Good speed and athleticism
Above average acceleration and change of direction - closes quickly on the ball
Excellent ball skills - 10 INTs in 2009
Fluid in coverage
Excels in zone coverage
3 year starter - started as a true freshman
Good height and length
Leader - named captain as a junior
Strong work ethic and takes care of himself off the field


WEAKNESSES

Below average as a tackler - need to wrap up more consistently
Not overly aggressive or physical against the run
Needs to get stronger - lacks ideal bulk
Not a big hitter
Has not played much man coverage but has skill set to develop in that regard
Thin frame

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 06:23 PM
:~ohyah!:


I just can't put as much gripe into not taking a DT yet - I want one just like everyone else but I seriously cannot complain about this draft so far, really happy with it.

We didn't screw around with the first round, trading back and then taking something like a WR that only has 1 foot or some other stupid move so far. No injured players that i've seen yet - no retarded reaches because of someones ego, etc.....

I told myself before the draft, there's no way we fix everything in one year...

Then the draft starts and I'm thinking, why aren't we fixing everything?

Tombstone RJ
04-29-2011, 06:23 PM
chuggers take jonus muton

Killericon
04-29-2011, 06:24 PM
chuggers take jonus muton

http://playstationeu.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/17728i4CDE7F43B45BFD8E/image-size/original?v=mpbl-1&px=-1

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 06:24 PM
So what's the consensus from us 'experts' on what we still need?

CB
MLB
TE
RB

Those are my thoughts

LRtagger
04-29-2011, 06:25 PM
Mouton has a 2.5 grade on nfl.com Hilarious!

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 06:25 PM
I told myself before the draft, there's no way we fix everything in one year...

Then the draft starts and I'm thinking, why aren't we fixing everything?

It's the defensive tackle issue... we as fans have been bitching about this for at least 10 years, and it's never, ever fixed....

So tired of it.... so, so tired....

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 06:26 PM
I told myself before the draft, there's no way we fix everything in one year...

Then the draft starts and I'm thinking, why aren't we fixing everything?

LOL - I know!

I'm rattling off from a list of guys that I thought we needed to grab and my wife turns to me and says "Jesus Christ how many picks do we have this year?"


Errrrrrr - apparently my birthday wish consisted of 10 picks in the top 2 rounds Hilarious!

oubronco
04-29-2011, 06:26 PM
If we're looking for an immediate starter, here's who's out there at MLB:


Quan Sturdivant
Kelvin Sheppard
Mason Foster
Colin McCarthy
Greg Jones

Thought sturdivant was gone

Rohirrim
04-29-2011, 06:27 PM
It's the defensive tackle issue... we as fans have been b****ing about this for at least 10 years, and it's never, ever fixed....

So tired of it.... so, so tired....

Yep. It's depressing.

Carmelo15
04-29-2011, 06:28 PM
Kenrick Ellis will go 67 Xanders was really raving about him

BowlenBall
04-29-2011, 06:28 PM
The Chargers take Mouton!

AaaaaaHAAAAHAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAA.

Easily the biggest reach of the 2011 draft -- almost impossible to be topped, as he's rated as a 7th rounder by most.....

Love it!

DarkHorse
04-29-2011, 06:29 PM
It's the defensive tackle issue... we as fans have been b****ing about this for at least 10 years, and it's never, ever fixed....

So tired of it.... so, so tired....

Bet all of these teams at one point or another felt the same way.....so they tried to address it.

Top defensive tackle taken by year (2000-2009)

2009- BJ Raji (Boston College) 9th by Packers

2008- Glenn Dorsey (LSU) 5th by Chiefs

2007- Amobi Okoye (Louisville) 10th by Texans

2006- Haloti Ngata (Oregon) 12th by Ravens

2005- Travis Johnson (Florida State) 16th by Texans

2004- Tommie Harris (Oklahoma) 14th by Bears

2003- Dewayne Robertson (Kentucky) 4th by Jets

2002- Ryan Sims (North Carolina) 6th by Chiefs

2001- Gerard Warren (Florida) 3rd by Browns

2000- Corey Simon (Florida State) 6th by Eagles

1999- Anthony McFarland (LSU) 15th by Buccaneers

1998- Jason Peter (Nebraska) 14th by Panthers

1997- Darrell Russell (USC) 2nd by Raiders

1996- Daryl Gardner (Baylor) 20th by Dolphins

1995- Derrick Alexander (Florida State) 11th by Vikings

1994- Dan Wilkinson (Ohio State) 1st by Bengals

1993- Leonard Renfro (Colorado) 24th by Eagles

1992- Steve Emtman (Washington) 1st by Colts

1991- Russell Maryland (Miami) 1st by Cowboys

1990- Cortez Kennedy (Miami) 3rd by Seahawks

Bold=Pro Bowler

6 of those twenty players have ever made a Pro Bowl. Only 2, Tommie Harris and Cortez Kennedy have made multiple. Take away 1990 and 1991 and those numbers shrink to 4, 1, and 18. Keep in mind both of those picks in 1990 and 1991 were top 3 picks.

Broncoman13
04-29-2011, 06:29 PM
Considering the fact the Broncos want 4 starters with the first four picks... I am gonna say we take a TE, Stocker most likely.

Carmelo15
04-29-2011, 06:29 PM
Mouton has a 2.5 grade on nfl.com Hilarious!

Lol then they changed his grade to a 4.7 Guess they didn't want San Diego to look TOOOO bad lol

Requiem
04-29-2011, 06:29 PM
Denver has three starters with their first three selections. I'm very pleased.

Unfortunate to see a run of good players before #67, but there is value there. Denver could get McClain or Casey at tackle and that is an upgrade for us. I wouldn't count out players like Mason Foster or Dontay Moch either.