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tsiguy96
04-28-2011, 09:15 PM
Von Miller was Broncos pick since at least the combine. There was never "late'' momentum. All those mocks with Dareus were always wrong.



from mikeklis.

also, tomorrow fox said this team is going BPA, period. not reaching for a DT just because they need one. said there is multiple options in FA for that as well. all 3 guys (EFX) were unanimous on selection of miller.

BroncoInferno
04-28-2011, 09:17 PM
Mebane would be an excellent FA option even if we go DT at #36.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 09:18 PM
from mikeklis.

also, tomorrow fox said this team is going BPA, period. not reaching for a DT just because they need one. said there is multiple options in FA for that as well. all 3 guys (EFX) were unanimous on selection of miller.

Thats good to hear....that they're looking at free agency for a DT. Thats the best way to win now. Youngsters take time, and there are a couple of guys out there who would immediately help this team. I would like to see them take Bowers if available and then take Paea at 46. Snag a couple of free agent DT's (spend all the dough on Mebane), and a safety, and you're ready to roll.

NFLBRONCO
04-28-2011, 09:19 PM
Bowers knee scares me

Gcver2ver3
04-28-2011, 09:21 PM
Bowers knee scares me

his knee scares me at #2...

scares me a lot less at #36...

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 09:21 PM
Bowers knee scares me

I tell you what though, the guy is a top notch blue chip player. Rolling the dice on that guy could pay off big. He reminds me of Reggie White.

Doggcow
04-28-2011, 09:22 PM
Bowers knee scares me

This defense needs talent though. Bowers off the bench would give us SICK End half closing power in games.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 09:27 PM
This defense needs talent though. Bowers off the bench would give us SICK End half closing power in games.

You can never have too many grade A defensive linemen, no matter where they are. Bowers is a load. Dude is big and strong.

theAPAOps5
04-28-2011, 09:29 PM
I love Von Miller that guy is going to be nasty playing on the opposite side of Doom, especially in third down. Great pick. BPA from here on out is perfect

Lestat
04-28-2011, 09:33 PM
i'm all for Bowers @36, that's just insane draft value. but how much of a factor is the knee and did he play with it?

NFLBRONCO
04-28-2011, 09:33 PM
I tell you what though, the guy is a top notch blue chip player. Rolling the dice on that guy could pay off big. He reminds me of Reggie White.

true but, guys start out hurt see (DMT)

NFLBRONCO
04-28-2011, 09:35 PM
This defense needs talent though. Bowers off the bench would give us SICK End half closing power in games.

Denver is in great shape for DL at #36 (Please no TE here)

BroncoInferno
04-28-2011, 09:39 PM
Even if Bowers knee wasn't a serious issue (and it obviously is given that he's a top 5 talent who's still on the board), he's a poor fit after picking Miller. Bowers, Doom, and Miller are all STRICTLY edge rushers, and you can only have two of those on the field at a time. NONE OF THE THREE have the skill set to be an elite interior rusher. I LOVE Bowers as a prospect IF healthy, but he's FACTUALLY a poor fit at this point.

Dedhed
04-28-2011, 09:39 PM
i'm all for Bowers @36, that's just insane draft value. but how much of a factor is the knee and did he play with it?

There is no value if he's out of the league in 2 years. He's got the knee of Paul Toviessi.

NFLBRONCO
04-28-2011, 09:39 PM
I think we'll find out if Bowers knee bothers us or not.

tsiguy96
04-28-2011, 09:44 PM
Even if Bowers knee wasn't a serious issue (and it obviously is given that he's a top 5 talent who's still on the board), he's a poor fit after picking Miller. Bowers, Doom, and Miller are all STRICTLY edge rushers, and you can only have two of those on the field at a time. NONE OF THE THREE have the skill set to elite interior rushers. I lOVE Bowers as a prospect IF healthy, but he's FACTUALLY a poor fit at this point.

tough position, he may very well be the BPA tomorrow.

gunns
04-28-2011, 09:44 PM
My problem with Bowers is along the lines of Tommy Harris. A lights out player who hurts his knee and is never quite the same. It scares me too.

Dedhed
04-28-2011, 09:47 PM
I want Paea

That One Guy
04-28-2011, 09:49 PM
It sounds like Bowers is in a position where the knee is already shot and it's just a matter of how long it'll hold out. The worst part is they're already talking microfracture surgery. If he holds out, presumably the knee is functioning now and he may only make it a few seasons before it's completely done. If he has microfracture, maybe he never comes back at all. Who wants to draft a guy who is going to have potentially career ending surgery before ever taking the field? At this point, would he be fit to go into training camp? Depending on how bad it is, he could be 5th round flyer material in the long run.

Finger Roll
04-28-2011, 09:49 PM
I hope it's Bowers. He was the guy I wanted with the first pick before he got hurt. Then when he got hurt Miller was the guy I wanted.

BMarsh615
04-28-2011, 09:49 PM
Chris Mortenson hinted on twitter that Bowers didn't pass Denver's physical.

BroncoInferno
04-28-2011, 09:54 PM
tough position, he may very well be the BPA tomorrow.

All things being equal, yes. But the knee is obviously a MAJOR issue, or he would not be available with his top 5 skill set and production.

gunns
04-28-2011, 09:54 PM
I asked in another thread about Paea's injury but couldn't get an answer. Does anyone know what it is and where he is in recovery?

schaaf
04-28-2011, 09:54 PM
When did mort say that

BMarsh615
04-28-2011, 09:58 PM
When did mort say that

I gotta know does Denver have shot at Bowers at 36 >> I don't think he passed their physical

https://twitter.com/mortreport

BroncoInferno
04-28-2011, 09:58 PM
It sounds like Bowers is in a position where the knee is already shot and it's just a matter of how long it'll hold out. The worst part is they're already talking microfracture surgery. If he holds out, presumably the knee is functioning now and he may only make it a few seasons before it's completely done. If he has microfracture, maybe he never comes back at all. Who wants to draft a guy who is going to have potentially career ending surgery before ever taking the field? At this point, would he be fit to go into training camp? Depending on how bad it is, he could be 5th round flyer material in the long run.

Yeah...I love Bowers. I'm a Clemson alum, watched the dude literally every play of his career, followed him as we were recruiting him....it looks like that knee is a ticking time bomb. It's a goddamn shame....he had ELITE pass rush skills off the edge, but we can't risk a high pick on that knee. Especially when there isn't really a spot for him. We have high investments in Miller and Doom as the edge guys, and Bowers is not an experienced inside rusher. Just not a good fit for multiple reason. Prior to the knee issue, it might have been different.

gunns
04-28-2011, 10:04 PM
Thats good to hear....that they're looking at free agency for a DT. Thats the best way to win now. Youngsters take time, and there are a couple of guys out there who would immediately help this team. I would like to see them take Bowers if available and then take Paea at 46. Snag a couple of free agent DT's (spend all the dough on Mebane), and a safety, and you're ready to roll.

With having limited DT's depth doesn't hurt. And definitely a safety. Please.
Ahmad Black sometime down the road is a possibility

Dedhed
04-28-2011, 10:05 PM
I asked in another thread about Paea's injury but couldn't get an answer. Does anyone know what it is and where he is in recovery?
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Stephen-Paea-proves-hes-recovered-from-knee-injury.html

gunns
04-28-2011, 10:08 PM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Stephen-Paea-proves-hes-recovered-from-knee-injury.html

Thank you. Does not sound on the same scale as Bowers at all and he's a true DT, not an end.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-28-2011, 10:10 PM
I've been a Paea fan for a while. Watch any OSU game and the guy consistently fights through double teams. He's strong as hell and will be an anchor DT. His knee doesnt scare me, but I dont think we brought him in for a visit, did we?

Hulamau
04-28-2011, 10:24 PM
Bowers knee scares me

Sounds like it scares 32 teams as well!

Dedhed
04-28-2011, 10:25 PM
Thank you. Does not sound on the same scale as Bowers at all and he's a true DT, not an end.

Not at all. Paea injured his knee at the senior bowl, and is probably 100% already. Bowers sounds like he's got a bone-on-bone condition already that will require micro-fracture surgery.

OrangeSe7en
04-28-2011, 10:38 PM
Even if Bowers knee wasn't a serious issue (and it obviously is given that he's a top 5 talent who's still on the board), he's a poor fit after picking Miller. Bowers, Doom, and Miller are all STRICTLY edge rushers, and you can only have two of those on the field at a time. NONE OF THE THREE have the skill set to be an elite interior rusher. I LOVE Bowers as a prospect IF healthy, but he's FACTUALLY a poor fit at this point.

Theres no poor fit if his knee's not an issue when you can get him at 36. \

I cant believe how stupid some of you are. We just spent a season with no pass rush because Doom went down and missed the season. We should have learned of the importance of having multiple guys who can generate pressure. Doom, Miller, and Bowers gives us flexibility and depth. Two of them can be on the field at the same time or three of them can be on the field at the same time. All of them have the potential to cause turnovers and each of them gives us a better chance to get off the field on 3rd downs.

I can't believe your comments. Theyre just unbelievable.

Dedhed
04-28-2011, 10:41 PM
Theres no poor fit if his knee's not an issue

I can't believe your comments. Theyre just unbelievable.

You said those two things in the same post. The knee is very clearly a HUGE issue.

Hulamau
04-28-2011, 10:52 PM
Yeah...I love Bowers. I'm a Clemson alum, watched the dude literally every play of his career, followed him as we were recruiting him....it looks like that knee is a ticking time bomb. It's a goddamn shame....he had ELITE pass rush skills off the edge, but we can't risk a high pick on that knee. Especially when there isn't really a spot for him. We have high investments in Miller and Doom as the edge guys, and Bowers is not an experienced inside rusher. Just not a good fit for multiple reason. Prior to the knee issue, it might have been different.

It really is a damn shame ... sad to see a guy of his calibre not only as a player but from all reports as a person too to see that happen to him! Sucks big time.

OBF1
04-28-2011, 10:53 PM
Atleast he has a free college education to fall back on

footstepsfrom#27
04-28-2011, 11:17 PM
In this order...

Austin
Paea
Ayers
Ellis

At worst, at least one of these guys is still there. There is no reason we can't emerge with two starters on defense with the first two picks.

schaaf
04-28-2011, 11:18 PM
Sounds like Fox tried to open up to picking Martez Wilson in the second by saying were going BPA from here on out

broncocalijohn
04-28-2011, 11:24 PM
I love Von Miller that guy is going to be nasty playing on the opposite side of Doom, especially in third down. Great pick. BPA from here on out is perfect....as long as it is defense.

Added the bolded part. One linebacker is not going to make us better in the long run. We need at least 2 more before thinking anything on offense.

BroncoMan4ever
04-28-2011, 11:24 PM
his knee scares me at #2...

scares me a lot less at #36...

it would scare me even less at 46 and wouldn't scare me a bit if he didn't end up in Denver at all.

tomorrow give me Austin or if he is gone Paea at 36. the best front 7 guy remaining at 46, and at 67 give me Virgil Green.

i would literally explode with joy if that happened

Dedhed
04-28-2011, 11:28 PM
I would take Bowers if he were around in the 6th.

Baba Booey
04-28-2011, 11:50 PM
I want Paea

co-sign

Kaylore
04-28-2011, 11:55 PM
from mikeklis.

also, tomorrow fox said this team is going BPA, period.

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac195/pew_pew/Star%20Trek%20%20jpg%20and%20gif/fbi2yq.gif

McDman
04-29-2011, 03:02 AM
I've heard Paea is a better fit for the 3-4 than a 4-3. That gives us two draft picks that don't fit our scheme.

Lycan
04-29-2011, 03:18 AM
Sounds like Fox tried to open up to picking Martez Wilson in the second by saying were going BPA from here on out

Wilson is an ILB correct? DJ/Wilson/Miller, fastest LB corps ever?

Could be interesting if we snag a Paea or Ellis to clog the middle up.

i4jelway7
04-29-2011, 03:41 AM
they take the best LB in the draft @ #2.. hmm makes you wonder if the Broncos REALLY thought he was the BEST defensive player in the draft they would not of been trying to trade down

driver
04-29-2011, 05:04 AM
I want Paea

There you go.:thumbsup:

Drek
04-29-2011, 05:16 AM
Even if Bowers knee wasn't a serious issue (and it obviously is given that he's a top 5 talent who's still on the board), he's a poor fit after picking Miller. Bowers, Doom, and Miller are all STRICTLY edge rushers, and you can only have two of those on the field at a time. NONE OF THE THREE have the skill set to be an elite interior rusher. I LOVE Bowers as a prospect IF healthy, but he's FACTUALLY a poor fit at this point.

Miller can play in coverage and at stopping the run. He's played a ton standing up and last year he played a good amount in coverage. He'll be fine as an all around LB.

Now that said, his best skill set is hitting QBs, which is also the most valuable defensive skill set you can have. So we should probably try to let him do that as much as we can.

I get the distinct impression that we're going to run a more aggressive version of the zone blitzing attack the Saints have been using. I wouldn't even be surprised if we see Doom play a good bit of 4-3 OLB when we really want to overload and get after someone. We're going to look like a 5-2 a whole lot next year and Miller isn't necessarily always going to be part of the "5", even if he is blitzing.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-29-2011, 05:16 AM
I would take Bowers if he were around in the 6th.

This.

With that knee and our current needs? Stay away.

Of course, we'll probably end up with him. ****.

Rabb
04-29-2011, 05:22 AM
Paea will be nice, but also has a knee issue...jussayin'

Drek
04-29-2011, 05:27 AM
Paea will be nice, but also has a knee issue...jussayin'

He tore his meniscus and says its already 85-90% recovered. Not quite the same as a guy who's starring doing microfracture operation.

gunns
04-29-2011, 05:48 AM
Not at all. Paea injured his knee at the senior bowl, and is probably 100% already. Bowers sounds like he's got a bone-on-bone condition already that will require micro-fracture surgery.

Makes me think of TD when he was attempting all those comebacks. Sad.

Rabb
04-29-2011, 05:56 AM
He tore his meniscus and says its already 85-90% recovered. Not quite the same as a guy who's starring doing microfracture operation.

I hear ya' and I wasn't saying that it was the same but everyone seems to be on the "don't draft a guy already injured" wagon and I just was providing some food for thought

I think people get stuck on a name and ride it out no matter what, but that's just me

I am personally hoping Austin is there at 2A, if we then got Paea at 2B...well, that's just a bonus

Drek
04-29-2011, 06:43 AM
I hear ya' and I wasn't saying that it was the same but everyone seems to be on the "don't draft a guy already injured" wagon and I just was providing some food for thought

I think people get stuck on a name and ride it out no matter what, but that's just me

I am personally hoping Austin is there at 2A, if we then got Paea at 2B...well, that's just a bonus

I have no desire to take a DT who hasn't played real football in a year in the top 50. Marcus Thomas was considered a far better prospect than Austin at the same point at which they were both suspended. How has his career progressed?

Paea has been a dominant interior lineman for several years now and he's got a fantastic reputation as a hard worker, high motor guy. He might not have Austin's upside (that is very debatable though) but his floor is much, much higher. That is what we need right now on the interior where Vickerson, a guy we got off waivers last year, is the best DT on the roster currently.

srphoenix
04-29-2011, 06:55 AM
Paea will do a great job taking up space, drawing double teams, and stopping the run allowing what is maybe the a top 3 pass rush crew in the league better options to get to the QB. Really hoping 2a is Paea

ColoradoBuff
04-29-2011, 07:16 AM
In this order...

Austin
Paea
Ayers
Ellis

At worst, at least one of these guys is still there. There is no reason we can't emerge with two starters on defense with the first two picks.



I like that list.....add Martez Wilson's name and we are good to go!

~Crash~
04-29-2011, 07:20 AM
I tell you what though, the guy is a top notch blue chip player. Rolling the dice on that guy could pay off big. He reminds me of Reggie White.

he reminds me of tonvonsie (SP)

oubronco
04-29-2011, 07:21 AM
You can never have too many grade A defensive linemen, no matter where they are. Bowers is a load. Dude is big and strong.

M I C R O F R A C T U R E

BroncsRule
04-29-2011, 09:01 AM
M I C R O F R A C T U R E

microfracture is a coin flip. Not every player who winds up having to have a microfracture procedure is toast. Sometimes it works out and the player is able to come back to 98 - 100%.

I wouldn't mind flipping this particular coin, as long as we do it in the 4th round or later.