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epicSocialism4tw
04-27-2011, 05:42 PM
<IFRAME height=225 src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/22866046?title=0&byline=0&portrait=0" frameBorder=0 width=400></IFRAME>Susie's Experience with the TSA Pat Down (http://vimeo.com/22866046) from SusieCastillo.net (http://vimeo.com/user638582) on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com).


2003 Miss USA Susie Castillo.

Mogulseeker
04-27-2011, 05:46 PM
Ohhhh I'm special. I don't have to go through security.

epicSocialism4tw
04-27-2011, 05:48 PM
Ohhhh I'm special. I don't have to go through security.

None of us should have to endure that crap.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-27-2011, 05:49 PM
The Mexican border is a lawless warzone. But if an actual citizen wants to fly commercial it requires a naked scan or a sexual molestation. Makes perfect sense.

Mogulseeker
04-27-2011, 05:50 PM
The answer: sky marshalls.

OBF1
04-27-2011, 06:00 PM
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. get over your nothing self.

epicSocialism4tw
04-27-2011, 06:01 PM
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. get over your nothing self.

The more people that speak out against this, the better.

Mogulseeker
04-27-2011, 06:03 PM
The more people that speak out against this, the better.

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enjolras
04-27-2011, 06:04 PM
None of us should have to endure that crap.

Totally agree. Security theater at its finest... but on the other hand, this woman wasn't molested, nor was she raped. This video is an entirely different type of theater at its finest.

epicSocialism4tw
04-27-2011, 06:06 PM
Totally agree. Security theater at its finest... but on the other hand, this woman wasn't molested, nor was she raped. This video is an entirely different type of theater at its finest.

Its an upset woman.

She just had some lady stick her fingers in her vagina. 4 times. Its understandable that she's upset.

Bronco Boy
04-27-2011, 06:07 PM
The last 7 years have been a little rough on that face.

Chris
04-27-2011, 06:22 PM
http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/susie-castillo-2006-mtv-movie-awards-arrivals-O77m09.jpg

Missouribronc
04-27-2011, 06:36 PM
"I don't want to get more radiated than I already do in regular life."

Awesome.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-27-2011, 06:39 PM
It's really amazing how many people are ok with the outrageous actions of the TSA.

SureShot
04-27-2011, 06:47 PM
It's really amazing how many people are ok with the outrageous actions of the TSA.

This.

**** that ****.

Mogulseeker
04-27-2011, 06:51 PM
It's really amazing how many people are ok with the outrageous actions of the TSA.

Didn't you once upload a picture of an x-ray of one of your patients with a dildo up their rectum? I mean... privacy schmivacy.

Willynowei
04-27-2011, 06:53 PM
<IFRAME height=225 src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/22866046?title=0&byline=0&portrait=0" frameBorder=0 width=400></IFRAME>Susie's Experience with the TSA Pat Down (http://vimeo.com/22866046) from SusieCastillo.net (http://vimeo.com/user638582) on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com).


2003 Miss USA Susie Castillo.

wow she just got fingered 4 times by a chick! ****ing hot! ;D

This video is quite useless, however, I want to see this fingering in action.

Cosmo
04-27-2011, 06:57 PM
The biggest damn problem is we are afraid to profile anymore. Israel airport security does profile and they are the safest airport in the world. So, yeah, screw this molesting sh*t and just go back to profiling, so sorry if this offends those that are a minority this would affect, but f*ck everyone having to do this in the name of a few of you feeling better.

Second, the radiation issue is a joke. We are so damn afraid of radiation its stupid. Half of your dishes are radioactive, the lantern filament is hella radioactive. Take a Radiation Biology class and you'll start laughing when they pass around the plutonium for everyone to look at and its completely fine.

WolfpackGuy
04-27-2011, 07:00 PM
wow she just got fingered 4 times by a chick! ****ing hot! ;D

This video is quite useless, however, I want to see this fingering in action.

No doubt.

Roll that beautiful bean footage!

Mogulseeker
04-27-2011, 07:04 PM
http://barbadosfreepress.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/tsa-groin-search-nun.jpg?w=380&h=286

It can happen to anybody.

Quoydogs
04-27-2011, 07:14 PM
Man I never thought there would be a day I would have wanted to be a TSA scanner. Today is that day.:giggle:

Quoydogs
04-27-2011, 07:15 PM
The last 7 years have been a little rough on that face.

Agreed, one to many Vagina scratches.

broncocalijohn
04-27-2011, 07:16 PM
well,

:worthless


Without video too!

Requiem
04-27-2011, 07:19 PM
Was Colorado player Jimmy Smith the guy doing the molesting?

Dr. Broncenstein
04-27-2011, 07:23 PM
Didn't you once upload a picture of an x-ray of one of your patients with a dilrod up their rectum? I mean... privacy schmivacy.

I took your name off the film before posting it.

Rock Chalk
04-27-2011, 07:25 PM
I hope I go through a TSA line and have a chic fondle my balls a bit before I get on the plane. Might relax me a little.

NUB
04-27-2011, 07:37 PM
I have this image in my head of George Washington being fondled by the TSA while a single tear slowly trickles down his cheek.

Arkie
04-27-2011, 07:37 PM
http://www.unitedliberty.org/files/images/192028951.jpg

McDman
04-27-2011, 08:06 PM
Flying is not something you have to do, if you don't like the security measures, don't fly. Yes, it's absurd if she got finger banged but 99% of the people saying they got molested just got a pat down.

We've seen what terrorists will do to kill people, if fondling people will save potentially thousands of lives then I'm all for it.

NUB
04-27-2011, 08:20 PM
Flying is not something you have to do, if you don't like the security measures, don't fly. Yes, it's absurd if she got finger banged but 99% of the people saying they got molested just got a pat down.

We've seen what terrorists will do to kill people, if fondling people will save potentially thousands of lives then I'm all for it.

I bet you're hoping the next terrorist gets caught with a bomb up his ass.

tsiguy96
04-27-2011, 08:23 PM
Flying is not something you have to do, if you don't like the security measures, don't fly. Yes, it's absurd if she got finger banged but 99% of the people saying they got molested just got a pat down.

We've seen what terrorists will do to kill people, if fondling people will save potentially thousands of lives then I'm all for it.

yea, who needs a reasonable right to search people, just search EVERYONE! constitution schmonstitution. piece of trivia for you: since TSA inception they have stopped ZERO attacks. you could make the argument that its very existence has prevented them from happening, which may very well be true. but what is the reason for escalating search procedures almost on a yearly basis with no true reason to do so? because things will get more safer than they were the previous year when there was no attacks?

im 100% for plane safety, some precautions need to be taken and i dont think anyone has any issue with that. but it gets very, very excessive, very fast. as this video has shown.

OrangeSe7en
04-27-2011, 08:34 PM
Its a little naive to think complaining any of those ways will change anything. The whole thing is a bureacratic exercise meand to create a buffer between those complaining and those who are important enough to do something about it. Those people dont want to see the emotional impact, nor do they care. People need to realize that this is so far along that its a bunch of people trying to justify their existence, and so its not really in their interest to deal with it.

Pretty much every time theres a video, a potically appointed windbag does the rounds on TV trying to justify it while hoping it blows over which it inevitably does.

So, no, complaining the way she did isnt going to accomplish anything.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-27-2011, 08:45 PM
Flying is not something you have to do, if you don't like the security measures, don't fly. Yes, it's absurd if she got finger banged but 99% of the people saying they got molested just got a pat down.

We've seen what terrorists will do to kill people, if fondling people will save potentially thousands of lives then I'm all for it.

That's right, citizen. We are keeping you safe from terrorists by fondling children.

peacepipe
04-27-2011, 09:06 PM
The biggest damn problem is we are afraid to profile anymore. Israel airport security does profile and they are the safest airport in the world. So, yeah, screw this molesting sh*t and just go back to profiling, so sorry if this offends those that are a minority this would affect, but **** everyone having to do this in the name of a few of you feeling better.

Second, the radiation issue is a joke. We are so damn afraid of radiation its stupid. Half of your dishes are radioactive, the lantern filament is hella radioactive. Take a Radiation Biology class and you'll start laughing when they pass around the plutonium for everyone to look at and its completely fine.http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2010-12-22-editorial22_ST_N.htm

There's no question the Israeli system has been a success in a country beset by terrorist threats and suicide bombers. But if you can count, and if you understand American values, it's easy to see why that system wouldn't translate to the United States.

To start with, Israel has one major international airport, Ben Gurion in Tel Aviv, which handles about 11 million passengers a year. The USA has 450 airports, through which 770 million people pass. Put another way, U.S. airports handle more passengers in a single week than Israel a New Jersey-sized nation with few domestic flights does in a year.
Moreover, in Israel, where screeners are highly trained and El Al pays for much of the security costs, the airline spent about $57 per passenger last year, according to The Washington Post. And in the United States, where the government picks up most of the tab? Less than $7 per passenger. We don't hear the Transportation Security Administration's critics calling for an eightfold increase in this year's $5.3 billion air security budget.
Even if volume and cost weren't obstacles, Americans wouldn't put up with such Israeli practices as having to get to the airport as much as four hours ahead of departure, being interrogated at length by airport screeners, or having their luggage confiscated. Everyone still has to pass through metal detectors.
Central to Israeli security is ethnic profiling and background checks. While many travelers pass through Israeli airports with minimal scrutiny, Israel singles out Arabs, including many who are Israeli residents, and other foreign nationals for intrusive questioning, screening and searches. In July, Israeli news media reported, former Clinton Cabinet member Donna Shalala, now president of the University of Miami, was detained for more than two hours of questioning because of her Lebanese name.

Israelis have been willing to trade both personal privacy and civil liberties for air security. But even after 9/11, many Americans have balked at that trade-off, as a vocal minority made clear in the recent uproar over full-body scanners and enhanced pat-downs. In 2003, a TSA plan to tap into fliers' personal credit card and other data, then assign them security risk ratings, ignited such an outcry that it was scrapped.

Nor is it clear that ethnic profiling would work. True, most terror suspects have been young Muslim men. But such profiling would have missed "Jihad Jane," the petite, blond-haired, blue-eyed Philadelphia woman arrested in March for allegedly recruiting Americans and others for terror plots. Or Richard Reid, the white British citizen who tried to blow up an airliner in December 2001 with a shoe bomb.

Religious radicalism can infect the brains of people of any complexion or ethnicity. On Tuesday, Attorney General Eric Holder told ABC he's worried about terrorist attacks on the U.S. by Americans.

Certainly, it would be helpful if the TSA used more common sense and sophistication than it does now in picking fliers for extra screening. But its critics have to recognize that facile advice about Israel and profiling crumbles under the weight of a single question: How, exactly, would you make that work here?

enjolras
04-27-2011, 09:41 PM
Flying is not something you have to do, if you don't like the security measures, don't fly. Yes, it's absurd if she got finger banged but 99% of the people saying they got molested just got a pat down.

We've seen what terrorists will do to kill people, if fondling people will save potentially thousands of lives then I'm all for it.

Are you f***ing serious? I have to fly. It's how my business operates. My wife has to fly, her career requires her to speak at various conferences across the country.

I shouldn't have to deal with all of this insanity to get on a plane just because some folks are terrified of the remote threat of terrorism.

OrangeSe7en
04-27-2011, 09:42 PM
Flying is not something you have to do, if you don't like the security measures, don't fly. Yes, it's absurd if she got finger banged but 99% of the people saying they got molested just got a pat down.

We've seen what terrorists will do to kill people, if fondling people will save potentially thousands of lives then I'm all for it.

You dont know that.

Mogulseeker
04-27-2011, 09:46 PM
The US government made me fly. Quite a bit. The University of Denver/Maastricht University make me fly back and fourth between Denver and the Netherlands. I have to fly.

BroncoMan4ever
04-27-2011, 09:51 PM
i am sorry, but i don't give a rats ass if every single woman who gets on a plane needs to get feltup and fingered before a flight, and every guy needs to be felt up and have his balls groped and end up with a colonoscopy before getting on a plane.

we live in a ****ed up world where these terrorist ****s want us dead, and since america has gotten too PC about everybodies feelings, this is what needs to go down so we can be safe getting on a plane. if it has to be done to you at an airport, grit your teeth shut your mouth spread your cheeks and lift your sack.

OrangeSe7en
04-27-2011, 09:53 PM
i am sorry, but i don't give a rats ass if every single woman who gets on a plane needs to get feltup and fingered before a flight, and every guy needs to be felt up and have his balls groped and end up with a colonoscopy before getting on a plane.

we live in a ****ed up world where these terrorist ****s want us dead, and since america has gotten too PC about everybodies feelings, this is what needs to go down so we can be safe getting on a plane. if it has to be done to you at an airport, grit your teeth shut your mouth spread your cheeks and lift your sack.

Sorry, its not worth it.

BroncoMan4ever
04-27-2011, 09:57 PM
Sorry, its not worth it.

getting on a plane safely without fear of some dip**** trying to pull some **** isn't worth a couple embarrasing moments?

what would u prefer? everyone rolling in packing heat

OrangeSe7en
04-27-2011, 10:07 PM
getting on a plane safely without fear of some dip**** trying to pull some **** isn't worth a couple embarrasing moments?

what would u prefer? everyone rolling in packing heat

Yeah. I dont fear a bomb. If it happens, it happens. But I do fear (though thats probably not the right word) security.

BTW, they could just as easily start focusing exclusively on bombing starbucks, mcdonals, etc. Then what? Where does it end?

BroncoMan4ever
04-27-2011, 10:11 PM
Yeah. I dont fear a bomb. If it happens, it happens. But I do fear (though thats probably not the right word) security.

BTW, they could just as easily start focusing exclusively on bombing starbucks, mcdonals, etc. Then what? Where does it end?

**** that!

btw we are talking about a Miss America getting groped and we have no images to get a mental picture on what may have gone down

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh157/jaz1977_2008/sports/ladys/2097765475_90cf5354dd.jpg

http://access.nscpcdn.com/gallery/i/c/castillo/lg1.jpg

Dukes
04-27-2011, 10:12 PM
That's right, citizen. We are keeping you safe from terrorists by fondling children.

Don't forget the elderly. Those sly old people always trying to get their finger nail clippers on board.

OrangeSe7en
04-27-2011, 10:14 PM
**** that!

btw we are talking about a Miss America getting groped and we have no images to get a mental picture on what may have gone down

http://www.newstoob.com/media/images/2007/11/susie_castillo_01.jpg

http://www.newstoob.com/media/images/2007/11/susie_castillo_03.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh157/jaz1977_2008/sports/ladys/2097765475_90cf5354dd.jpg

http://access.nscpcdn.com/gallery/i/c/castillo/lg1.jpg

BTW, I dont even think this is all that effective. I think its more about visibility by bureaucrats who are trying to justify their existences. They should really shut Homeland Security down. What a mistake that was.

Pony Boy
04-27-2011, 10:17 PM
The US government made me fly. Quite a bit. The University of Denver/Maastricht University make me fly back and fourth between Denver and the Netherlands. I have to fly.

The U.S. government doesn't make anyone fly unless your are a prisioner being transported.

epicSocialism4tw
04-27-2011, 10:22 PM
Its a little naive to think complaining any of those ways will change anything. The whole thing is a bureacratic exercise meand to create a buffer between those complaining and those who are important enough to do something about it. Those people dont want to see the emotional impact, nor do they care. People need to realize that this is so far along that its a bunch of people trying to justify their existence, and so its not really in their interest to deal with it.

Pretty much every time theres a video, a potically appointed windbag does the rounds on TV trying to justify it while hoping it blows over which it inevitably does.

So, no, complaining the way she did isnt going to accomplish anything.

Its a much better choice to just shut up, get in line, and do what you're told.

Mogulseeker
04-27-2011, 10:23 PM
The U.S. government doesn't make anyone fly unless your are a prisioner being transported.

I've got several itineraries that prove otherwise. The Navy flew me from Denver to Chicago to Washington DC to Jacksonville Florida to Washington DC again back to Jacksonville to Boston to Norfolk VA to Portland Maine and finally back to Denver via Chicago.

And that's just commercial flying... I've gone up in many-a P-3 and C-2, a C-130 (with JATO), a C-31a, even an FA-18 once.

enjolras
04-27-2011, 10:23 PM
The U.S. government doesn't make anyone fly unless your are a prisioner being transported.

Tell that to anyone who has been deployed in the military.

OrangeSe7en
04-27-2011, 10:24 PM
Its a much better choice to just shut up, get in line, and do what you're told.

She was talking about the options they give her for voicing a complaint.

Actually, whats best is to make this an issue during elections. If politicians start losing elections over supporting the TSA, then something will happen but probably not until then. Its too entrenched and there are too many bureacrats.

Bronco Boy
04-27-2011, 10:24 PM
If you complain about the fondling, the terrorists win. Obviously.

epicSocialism4tw
04-27-2011, 10:27 PM
She was talking about the options they give her for voicing a complaint.

Actually, whats best is to make this an issue during elections. If politicians start losing elections over supporting the TSA, then something will happen but probably not until then. Its too entrenched and there are too many bureacrats.

THIS. IS. AMERICAAAAAAAAAA!
http://blog.rifftrax.com/wp-content/photos/this_is_sparta.jpg

Those bureaucrats work for us. We can dismantle that crap as fast as they put it up.

baja
04-27-2011, 10:34 PM
It's really amazing how many people are ok with the outrageous actions of the TSA.

No Kidding and it will only get worse until people rebel against the outrages but it appears instead they will, in the name of security, hand over any rights to privacy they still have and indure any insult so long as they feel safe which is a fallacy to begin with.They are deserving of everything they are going to get......

AZorange1
04-27-2011, 10:40 PM
I think I'm gonna be sick. Just what we need, more sniveling, whiney yellow belly sap-suckers

OrangeSe7en
04-27-2011, 10:42 PM
I think I'm gonna be sick. Just what we need, more sniveling, whiney yellow belly sap-suckers

The founding fathers were complainers.

baja
04-27-2011, 10:44 PM
I just read as much of the rest of the thread that I could stomach.

It's sad to see the nation turning into a collection of wooses standing in the line waiting to be violated like the old Soylent Green movie.

AZorange1
04-27-2011, 10:48 PM
These kind of people were the ones they sent home from boot camp with a box of tissue

epicSocialism4tw
04-27-2011, 11:02 PM
I just read as much of the rest of the thread that I could stomach.

It's sad to see the nation turning into a collection of wooses standing in the line waiting to be violated like the old Soylent Green movie.

Its sad.

And the younger generation has been conditioned to just accept what they're given and shut up because it "benefits everyone".

This country's in trouble.

ZachKC
04-27-2011, 11:07 PM
You people are drama queens.

ZachKC
04-27-2011, 11:14 PM
Its sad.

And the younger generation has been conditioned to just accept what they're given and shut up because it "benefits everyone".

This country's in trouble.

Your life sounds completely ****ty.

I have never seen someone work so hard to try to convince other people how terrible things are supposed to be.

Maybe I haven't looked up long enough from the business I am free to run and the people I am free to enjoy my time with with because of the great opportunity this country gives me long enough to see what you are talking about.

epicSocialism4tw
04-27-2011, 11:14 PM
You people are drama queens.

^
Exhibit A

footstepsfrom#27
04-27-2011, 11:47 PM
It's really amazing how many people are ok with the outrageous actions of the TSA.
How insanely stupid.

My mom who passed last summer at age 89, was strip searched TWICE at DIA in 2009 and nearly missed her plane because her name flagged the Homeland Insecurity terrorist watch list. She thought it was because she had the audacity to rent a wheel chair at the airport...we all laughed ourselves to tears over this, because if you saw my mom, you'd say she looked like the most harmless human on the planet. In reality there is nothing funny about it.

These imbeciles, like the ones that put my mom through this **** ought to be fired on the spot even if it's for nothing but serious stupidity. If you're strip searching an 88 year old woman at the airport, you're to stupid to be employed there.

baja
04-27-2011, 11:52 PM
It's always the stupid ones the fend bravery when in fact they are bending over and taking it in the ass like spineless cabana boys during their first week in prison

baja
04-27-2011, 11:53 PM
To think my uncle gave his life in France to protect the freedoms these clowns so easily toss away. So Sad.

ZachKC
04-28-2011, 12:08 AM
Yes. The 3 seconds I took passing through that machine when I flew last month was a mother ****ing travesty.

Drama queens.

ZachKC
04-28-2011, 12:09 AM
you're to stupid to be employed there.

This is a fun thread.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 12:12 AM
Yes. The 3 seconds I took passing through that machine when I flew last month was a mother ****ing travesty.

Drama queens.

Convenience and imaginary safety are great things to throw your fundamental human rights away for.

ZachKC
04-28-2011, 12:19 AM
Convenience and imaginary safety are great things to throw your fundamental human rights away for.

Yes.

Flying on a commercial airliner is a fundamental human right.

Nobody is forcing you to do anything drama queen. You have all the freedom in the world to sit around and bitch on the internet about how crappy you think the world is.

ZachKC
04-28-2011, 12:23 AM
I remember when this was the issue of the moment for palin type faux conservatives last fall. Everyone was going to insist on being patted down they thought they were going show everyone by creating gridlock at the airport security stations messing everything up for the busy Thanksgiving travel season.

Everything went completely smooth. Faux conservatives are so cute.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 12:27 AM
Yes.

Flying on a commercial airliner is a fundamental human right.

Nobody is forcing you to do anything drama queen. You have all the freedom in the world to sit around and b**** on the internet about how crappy you think the world is.

The TSA is a government agency, sweet cheeks.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 12:29 AM
I remember when this was the issue of the moment for palin type faux conservatives last fall. Everyone was going to insist on being patted down they thought they were going show everyone by creating gridlock at the airport security stations messing everything up for the busy Thanksgiving travel season.

Everything went completely smooth. Faux conservatives are so cute.

^
You have to love guys like this. So ignorant of the world that they see things simply in terms of political teams. The red team vs the blue team! YAY! BOO!

"Did the person on the blue team say they supported this issue? No? Then BOOOOOOOO!"

Noncognitivism at its worst.

ZachKC
04-28-2011, 12:30 AM
The TSA is a government agency, sweet cheeks.

The right to fly isn't a fundamental one. No matter how much of a do nothing drama queen you are that won't change.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 12:32 AM
The right to fly isn't a fundamental one. No matter how much of a do nothing drama queen you are that won't change.

Nope, but the right to unreasonable search and seizure certainly is.

Not to mention the presumption of innocence until being proven guilty in a court of law.

Since you have no problem giving away fundamental rights, why dont you go ahead and just stay away from the polls? We'll take care of the heavy lifting for you.

ZachKC
04-28-2011, 12:32 AM
^
You have to love guys like this. So ignorant of the world that they see things simply in terms of political teams. The red team vs the blue team! YAY! BOO!

"Did the person on the blue team say they supported this issue? No? Then BOOOOOOOO!"

Noncognitivism at its worst.

Says the walking political parody who sits around and talks about how awful his country. You can read the self loathing through the posts...it is fantastic.

baja
04-28-2011, 12:33 AM
The right to fly isn't a fundamental one. No matter how much of a do nothing drama queen you are that won't change.

No but the right to not be finger fked to do it is.



Let's not ruin a bull dyke's dream job, right.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 12:35 AM
Says the walking political parody who sits around and talks about how awful his country. You can read the self loathing through the posts...it is fantastic.

I complain about robots like yourself. McDonalds-gurgling one-offs who are cheerily awaiting the bread lines.

Well, guy...there's bad news at the end of those bread lines for you. You're nothing but a pig in a cage on antibiotics. They'll have no problem handing you a small bottle of vodka and slamming the door in your face.

ZachKC
04-28-2011, 12:39 AM
I complain about robots like yourself. McDonalds-gurgling one-offs who are cheerily awaiting the bread lines.

Well, guy...there's bad news at the end of those bread lines for you. You're nothing but a pig in a cage on antibiotics. They'll have no problem handing you a small bottle of vodka and slamming the door in your face.

Awaiting the bread lines?

I am a business owner. I work for myself....you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about right now.

Don't group the rest of us like you. I don't project failures on my country...

Any success or failures I will ever have will be because of me. You would do well to take on that motto instead of blaming the black helicopters. It just makes you look like a bitch.

ZachKC
04-28-2011, 12:40 AM
No but the right to not be finger fked to do it is.



Let's not ruin a bull dyke's dream job, right.

All you guys have are straw men, hyperbole, and outliers.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-28-2011, 12:42 AM
Constitutional rights don't apply when you voluntarily fly, citizen. Our specially trained pederast will fondle you and your child in order to prevent terrorism.

baja
04-28-2011, 12:42 AM
All you guys have are straw men, hyperbole, and outliers.

Maybe we'll all glow in the dark after a few years of the cumulative effects of radiation from the unproven scanning chambers.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 12:43 AM
Awaiting the bread lines?

I am a business owner. I work for myself....you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about right now.

Don't group the rest of us like you. I don't project failures on my country...

Any success or failures I will ever have will be because of me. You would do well to take on that motto instead of blaming the black helicopters. It just makes you look like a b****.

Black helicopters? :rofl:

I'm talking about the TSA. You know, the actual real government agency that puts their fingers in innocent womens' vaginas to allow them access to travel.

You need to wake up, son. The freedom that allows you to run your own business can be gone in a flash. That freedom is born of a human grind where people have died to leave it willed to their children. Its not something that comes easy. Its something that has to be renewed through the hard work of the generations.

There's a slow erosion of those freedoms that has taken place in this country. The old timers see it. You would be wise to listen up.

ZachKC
04-28-2011, 12:44 AM
Maybe we'll all glow in the dark after a few years of the cumulative effects of radiation from the unproven scanning chambers.

If only people were buying the fear you guys were selling.

ZachKC
04-28-2011, 12:45 AM
Black helicopters? :rofl:

I'm talking about the TSA. You know, the actual real government agency that puts their fingers in innocent womens' vaginas to allow them access to travel.

You need to wake up, son. The freedom that allows you to run your own business can be gone in a flash. That freedom is born of a human grind where people have died to leave it willed to their children. Its not something that comes easy. Its something that has to be renewed through the hard work of the generations.

There's a slow erosion of those freedoms that has taken place in this country. The old timers see it. You would be wise to listen up.

Feel free to live a life of fear while other people are out enjoying their lives.
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

It suits you.

baja
04-28-2011, 12:46 AM
Constitutional rights don't apply when you voluntarily fly, citizen. Our specially trained pederast will fondle you and your child in order to prevent terrorism.

Don't you know Osama ben Laden is laughing his ass of at all this.

Maybe George Bush can loan him his "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner after all he no longer needs it. Difference is Osama actually did accomplish his mission.

ZachKC
04-28-2011, 12:49 AM
http://kinetic-sound.com/uploads/Its-A-Conspiracy.jpg

Dr. Broncenstein
04-28-2011, 12:49 AM
Don't you know Osama ben Laden is laughing his ass of at all this.

Maybe George Bush can loan him his "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner after all he no longer needs it. Difference is Osama actually did accomplish his mission.

Meanwhile any terrorist that wants to visit the US can simply walk across the southern border.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 12:50 AM
Feel free to live a life of fear while other people are out enjoying their lives.
It suits you.

The truth is challenging. You're to wrapped up in your own little world to take the time to understand the world around you. Where we are, where we have been, where we are going. These are simple realities. Easy to understand. Some people dont want to know. Maybe you're best suited for the fetal position.

Baja is right. You dont deserve the freedoms you enjoy if you are so willing to give them away.

I hear Moscow's nice this time of year. If someone becomes an inconvenience to the government there, you can just put a bullet in their head and drop them in a ditch somewhere.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 12:52 AM
http://kinetic-sound.com/uploads/Its-A-Conspiracy.jpg

The TSA is a conspiracy? :rofl:

Didnt they take a picture of your naked butt a couple weeks ago?

ZachKC
04-28-2011, 12:52 AM
The truth is challenging. You're to wrapped up in your own little world to take the time to understand the world around you. Where we are, where we have been, where we are going. These are simple realities. Easy to understand. Some people dont want to know. Maybe you're best suited for the fetal position.

Baja is right. You dont deserve the freedoms you enjoy if you are so willing to give them away.

I hear Moscow's nice this time of year. If someone becomes an inconvenience to the government there, you can just put a bullet in their head and drop them in a ditch somewhere.

You have to create fictional stories to prop up your drama.

That is pretty telling.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 12:53 AM
Meanwhile any terrorist that wants to visit the US can simply walk across the southern border.

No joke.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 12:54 AM
You have to create fictional stories to prop up your drama.

That is pretty telling.

They didnt take a picture of your naked butt?

Or did they just give your package a couple of firm touches...maybe check your oil a little bit?

baja
04-28-2011, 12:57 AM
I'm flying tomorrow, I'll let ya know how it goes. I'm opting fot the pat down and I have been wearing the same underwear all week. I can hardly stand the smell of myself now. I'm hoping to get the violator to gag.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 12:57 AM
They didnt give you a nice work down? A little bum grabbing, maybe follow the happy trail down into the underworld?

Dr. Broncenstein
04-28-2011, 12:58 AM
We are going to install a gps tracking device to keep track of your milage for tax purposes, citizen. You don't have to drive. We will be purchasing your property at a fraction of market value for the greater public good as well. You surley won't mind, will you? That's a good citizen.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 12:58 AM
I'm flying tomorrow, I'll let ya know how it goes. I'm opting fot the pat down and I have been wearing the same underwear all week. I can hardly stand the smell of myself now. I'm hoping to get the violator to gag.

You should soil them. ;D

In the front and in the back. :rofl:

Dr. Broncenstein
04-28-2011, 01:00 AM
I'm flying tomorrow, I'll let ya know how it goes. I'm opting fot the pat down and I have been wearing the same underwear all week. I can hardly stand the smell of myself now. I'm hoping to get the violator to gag.

Take a Viagra when you are checking in.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 01:01 AM
We are going to install a gps tracking device to keep track of your milage for tax purposes, citizen. You don't have to drive. We will be purchasing your property at a fraction of market value for the greater public good as well. You surley won't mind, will you? That's a good citizen.

Its only a matter of time before the NSA co-opts Apple's iPod tracking software. A public-private partnership for the good of the people. Bringing jobs and revenue for the people. Making the people safer. Making law enforcement more efficient. Bringing murderers to justice. What do you have to fear if you're not doing anything wrong?

baja
04-28-2011, 01:04 AM
Take a Viagra when you are checking in.

LOL I thought about sticking a potato in my drawers but they'd probably charge me with smuggling.;D

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 01:19 AM
LOL I thought about sticking a potato in my drawers but they'd probably charge me with smuggling.;D

You should bend over, put your butt right in their face, ask "hey, you guys need to look in here?", and then rip one right in the dudes mug.

McDman
04-28-2011, 02:57 AM
What's stopping a parent from planting a bomb on a little kid or an old person from bringing one on? Just because they look innocent does not mean they are.

If you'd rather run the risk of someone hijacking or blowing up a plane and endangering potentially thousands of lives then don't fly. Flying is a privelage not a right.

ghostofjosh
04-28-2011, 04:08 AM
It's really amazing how many people are ok with the outrageous actions of the TSA.

see 9/11

ghostofjosh
04-28-2011, 04:09 AM
What's stopping a parent from planting a bomb on a little kid or an old person from bringing one on? Just because they look innocent does not mean they are.

If you'd rather run the risk of someone hijacking or blowing up a plane and endangering potentially thousands of lives then don't fly. Flying is a privelage not a right.

Thank you,waaaaa Id rather risk dying and getting blown up because i might a get a little radiation or someone grabs my thighs..whaaaa

Hotwheelz
04-28-2011, 04:22 AM
Those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.

I think that's it.

srphoenix
04-28-2011, 04:25 AM
Everyone saying flying is not a right are being completely unrealistic and rediculous. Modern business practices require us flying to see customers or clients many times for only a 1-2 hour meeting half way across the country. There is no concievable way to do this regularly and keep the other functions of your business running without the speed of flight. But I'm sure you'd all rather have the producers of the world spend their time driving 20+ hours each in a single car rather than mass transit plane, that'll be wonderful for your environment I'm sure...

Spider
04-28-2011, 04:39 AM
getting on a plane safely without fear of some dip**** trying to pull some **** isn't worth a couple embarrasing moments?

what would u prefer? everyone rolling in packing heat

got to be hell bein that scared ...........

McDman
04-28-2011, 04:42 AM
This will be my last post on this, no one here i s going to change anyone elses mind so it's pretty worthless to keep arguing about it.

We had over 3,000 people die because people were able to sneak box cutters onto a plane, effing box cutters! Damn near everything can be used as a weapon and it really isn't hard to get th em onto a plane. In many cases the TSA is not doing enough. We only hear about a few minority of details of the TSA taking it over the line.

When I moved last time I packed a bunch of stuff into backpacks and thought I had unloaded everything, I decided to use one of those bags as my carry in when I went to Switzerland. About half way through the flight I look in my bag and there is a six inch knife in the bottom of my bag I had forgotten to take out. This is a good example of the problems we have in our security.

Yes, it is vital for some people to fly on business but how can anyone really say they would rather fly without the security of knowing not only you are safe but others are as well. Planes, especially 747s, are just giant missiles and we've seen what can happen when they are put into the wrong hands.

This is not like the governement randomly stopiing people on the roads or knocking on someone's door to search them. You know the risks you are agreeing to when you fly and until our privacies and rights are truly being violated I have no problem with our airport security trying to be overly protective. there are plenty of crazy parents who would be willing to strap bombs to their children. The same thing with old people, I just read a story about an elderly woman caught trying to get into the country strapped with pounds of drugs on her body. What's stopping one from strapping on a bomb?

Think how easy it would be to sneak a kevlar or plastic knife onto a plane, maybe 1 in 8 people get searched? I'm honestly surprised this hasn't happened yet. Terrorism on airplanes is not done and I think security could afford to be stronger in many airports.

Also, I think the next big attack is going to come through one of the borders. It could be either one, there is basically no security on either.

Edit* also, many people don't realize you can request a private pat down. If you're that humiliated you can just go behind a curtain. My mom has a metal knee and everytime she goes through they have to pat her down they ask if she wants to do a private screening.

Spider
04-28-2011, 04:47 AM
Meanwhile any terrorist that wants to visit the US can simply walk across the southern border.

:thumbsup: this right here , we got security at our airports and courthouses that is just flat out obnoxious yes there re a few paths outside of eagles pass TX,were someone can cross pretty easy

NUB
04-28-2011, 04:53 AM
Hey man if you're scared of dying at the hands of a terrorist that is your own damn problem. In fact, why are defenders of this crap telling others to not fly? Should it not be the other way around? I want my Constitutional rights protected and fiercely so, you want to not die. Man, which argument bears more weight? Looks like you should be the ones driving, a-holes.

55CrushEm
04-28-2011, 07:39 AM
I took your name off the film before posting it.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

:rofl:

oubronco
04-28-2011, 07:45 AM
I'm flying tomorrow, I'll let ya know how it goes. I'm opting fot the pat down and I have been wearing the same underwear all week. I can hardly stand the smell of myself now. I'm hoping to get the violator to gag.

Now that is funny Hilarious!

ol#7
04-28-2011, 07:46 AM
Hey man if you're scared of dying at the hands of a terrorist that is your own damn problem. In fact, why are defenders of this crap telling others to not fly? Should it not be the other way around? I want my Constitutional rights protected and fiercely so, you want to not die. Man, which argument bears more weight? Looks like you should be the ones driving, a-holes.

This^^^

Plus I am sick of the airport smelling like feet!

footstepsfrom#27
04-28-2011, 07:47 AM
This is a fun thread.
You think using the wrong form of a pronoun makes one stupid I take it? That sounds pretty stupid TOO...if you actually believe that.

55CrushEm
04-28-2011, 07:48 AM
I'm flying tomorrow, I'll let ya know how it goes. I'm opting fot the pat down and I have been wearing the same underwear all week. I can hardly stand the smell of myself now. I'm hoping to get the violator to gag.

:spit:

tsiguy96
04-28-2011, 07:54 AM
cant believe how brainwashed some people are, the lengths they will go to and liberties they will give up in the name of safety.

MplsBronco
04-28-2011, 08:15 AM
i am sorry, but i don't give a rats ass if every single woman who gets on a plane needs to get feltup and fingered before a flight, and every guy needs to be felt up and have his balls groped and end up with a colonoscopy before getting on a plane.

we live in a ****ed up world where these terrorist ****s want us dead, and since america has gotten too PC about everybodies feelings, this is what needs to go down so we can be safe getting on a plane. if it has to be done to you at an airport, grit your teeth shut your mouth spread your cheeks and lift your sack.

You're a coward.

ZachKC
04-28-2011, 08:17 AM
Everyone saying flying is not a right are being completely unrealistic and rediculous. Modern business practices require us flying to see customers or clients many times for only a 1-2 hour meeting half way across the country. There is no concievable way to do this regularly and keep the other functions of your business running without the speed of flight. But I'm sure you'd all rather have the producers of the world spend their time driving 20+ hours each in a single car rather than mass transit plane, that'll be wonderful for your environment I'm sure...

Then it sounds like you have decided that flying is very important to you and your business.

That doesn't make it a right.

ZachKC
04-28-2011, 08:18 AM
You think using the wrong form of a pronoun makes one stupid I take it? That sounds pretty stupid TOO...if you actually believe that.

No, I don't. But when it happens in a sentence trying to call someone else stupid it is funny as hell.

MplsBronco
04-28-2011, 08:18 AM
Yes.

Flying on a commercial airliner is a fundamental human right.

Nobody is forcing you to do anything drama queen. You have all the freedom in the world to sit around and b**** on the internet about how crappy you think the world is.

Where does it end with you then? At what point do put a stop to excessive search? What you don't seem to grasp is that you can't open the door a crack because then it will get swung wide open.

jhns
04-28-2011, 08:35 AM
LOL

This thread is pretty funny. Some of you cry a lot.

Gcver2ver3
04-28-2011, 08:44 AM
I ADMIT...when i started the video i immediately began to be bias against the chick because my upbringing was tough and i don't like sheltered primadonnas crying wolf over silliness not understanding the real issues and problems much lesser privileged people endure...

but i gotta say, this isn't one of those times...what happened to her is inexcusable...and she's right, if her vagina was touched, she was molested and that's simply unacceptable...

i will say this....i do understand the other side in this but i find it hard to believe that the woman had to have her vagina touched over this...i am not a threat and have never been one so i wouldn't want some guy putting his finger in my anus for "safety purposes"...i am an innocent civilian so i don't think i should get a finger up my butt because of other losers that arent innocent...

now with that said, this WHOLE incident could have been avoided had she just went through the flippin scanner...her reasons for not doing so didn't seem good to me, but that's still her right to not want to do so...

so what i'm wondering is, are there any disclosures visible to civilians to at least inform them of the possible consequences to opting out of the scanner and having a body pat down?...it should be FULLY DISCLOSED somewhere that if you decline the scanner, you will possibly experience what she experienced and perhaps even have the civilian sign a waiver....

that way she won't be in for a surprise...i haven't flown in years so perhaps that is part of the policy now, but if it isn't it should be...that way she'd have more of a choice of which of the options she'd decide to endure...because as much as she didn't want the scanner, i believe had she known how she'd be searched, she would've gone through the scanner...

the fact that her search in (I believe) LAX didn't go anything like the one she had there is another red flag to me...

MplsBronco
04-28-2011, 09:02 AM
Members of a FREE society accept inherent risks of living in a FREE society. It's the essence of living FREE. The fact that so many on here don't understand this freaks me out. It's the old attitude of "well they can search my car, I aint got nothing to hide". The point isn't whether you have anything to hide or not, it's that we live in the greatest country in the world FREE of illegal search and seizure.

I bet most of the people on here advocating this BS are also conservative people who b!tch about the gov't taking care of people but have no problem with turning over their rights so that they can be "protected" by the gov't.

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 09:05 AM
You're a coward.

As a parent, I agree with him.

If I'm on a plane, not concerned. If my 7 year old daughter is flying with her mom? Yup, pat everyone the **** down and give me 10 ****ing air marshalls seated everywhere.

The "you're a coward" is played out. The country isn't filled with grown, capable men. We have women, children, elderly, cripples, etc, and that's WHO the laws are in place to protect.

**** this lady.

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 09:07 AM
The cute Jefferson and founding fathers in a 18th century world quotes are adorable though.

MplsBronco
04-28-2011, 09:09 AM
As a parent, I agree with him.

If I'm on a plane, not concerned. If my 7 year old daughter is flying with her mom? Yup, pat everyone the **** down and give me 10 ****ing air marshalls seated everywhere.

The "you're a coward" is played out. The country isn't filled with grown, capable men. We have women, children, elderly, cripples, etc, and that's WHO the laws are in place to protect.

**** this lady.

I have a 2 yr old daughter and 1 year old son. If one of these TSA people laid a hand on my daughter I would have the urge to knock them out. Have you seen the videos of kids getting their clothes removed? It's not just adults. Kids are being subjected to this as well.

And, yes, if you are that afraid of something happening that is infinitely less likely than being struck by lightning, then yes, you are a coward.

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 09:15 AM
I have a 2 yr old daughter and 1 year old son. If one of these TSA people laid a hand on my daughter I would have the urge to knock them out. Have you seen the videos of kids getting their clothes removed? It's not just adults. Kids are being subjected to this as well.

And, yes, if you are that afraid of something happening that is infinitely less likely than being struck by lightning, then yes, you are a coward.

:rofl:

I'll bet you'd be singing that same tune if they were on a hi-jacked plane, huh?

Because you're that tough. How many terrorists have you dealt with then?

MplsBronco
04-28-2011, 09:17 AM
:rofl:

I'll bet you'd be singing that same tune if they were on a hi-jacked plane, huh?

Because you're that tough. How many terrorists have you dealt with then?

That's got to be some of the dumbest **** I have ever read.

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 09:18 AM
That's got to be some of the dumbest **** I have ever read.

That the rules are in place for a reason and not made in a vacuum?

:thumbsup:

Mountain Bronco
04-28-2011, 09:20 AM
Drama queen. Yes, they do get a little intrusive, and does it prevent anything, no, but this chick is drama queen.

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 09:22 AM
Drama queen. Yes, they do get a little intrusive, and does it prevent anything, no, but this chick is drama queen.

Whining about the radiation and meanwhile probably spending the whole trip on her cell phone?

:thanku:

jhns
04-28-2011, 09:24 AM
There is a simple solution that has already been mentioned. Don't fly. If you are a business guy that needs to travel but just can't accept the screenings, get on a train. I have ridden trains and met a few people that just rode them back and forth accross the country for business. You can do it too.

Flying is not a right. This is a fact. If you don't want to play by their rules, don't use their service. Maybe if enough people refuse to fly, they will change something.

So, why aren't all of you crying about public schools? They have metal detectors and will search kids.

ZachKC
04-28-2011, 09:28 AM
The cute Jefferson and founding fathers in a 18th century world quotes are adorable though.

Seriously.

Mountain Bronco
04-28-2011, 09:29 AM
I agree that it isn't a right, but a privelege, but the rules in place don't actually prevent much, which is frustrating.

Last time I flew I accidentily had a 6 inch buck knife in my carry on, because I forgot to take it out of my hikiing pack and they didn't notice it (thank god as I have had it since I was 14 years old and would have hated to ditch it). Scarry ehhh.

MplsBronco
04-28-2011, 09:31 AM
There is a simple solution that has already been mentioned. Don't fly. If you are a business guy that needs to travel but just can't accept the screenings, get on a train. I have ridden trains and met a few people that just rode them back and forth accross the country for business. You can do it too.

Flying is not a right. This is a fact. If you don't want to play by their rules, don't use their service. Maybe if enough people refuse to fly, they will change something.

So, why aren't all of you crying about public schools? They have metal detectors and will search kids.

Again where does it end? Let's say they start setting up indiscriminate roadside checks at all hours of the day and you get violated with those. Do you just say, it's simple, don't drive?

We are supposed to be a FREE society!

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 09:33 AM
Again where does it end? Let's say they start setting up indiscriminate roadside checks at all hours of the day and you get violated with those. Do you just say, it's simple, don't drive?

We are supposed to be a FREE society!

It must be really rough to take your belt and shoes off for a minute, huh?

DAMN THIS NAZI OPPRESSION!

Missouribronc
04-28-2011, 09:34 AM
Again where does it end? Let's say they start setting up indiscriminate roadside checks at all hours of the day and you get violated with those. Do you just say, it's simple, don't drive?

We are supposed to be a FREE society!

When was the last time a driver blew up 3,000 people?

MplsBronco
04-28-2011, 09:35 AM
When was the last time a driver blew up 3,000 people?

Simple concepts are lost on you, I see.

Beantown Bronco
04-28-2011, 09:35 AM
When was the last time a driver blew up 3,000 people?

You've never seen me on the golf course.

Missouribronc
04-28-2011, 09:39 AM
Simple concepts are lost on you, I see.

Nope. No driver has ever blown up 3,000 people. Therefore there won't be strip searches on the highway.

Now, drunk driver checkpoints?

cutthemdown
04-28-2011, 09:39 AM
The biggest damn problem is we are afraid to profile anymore. Israel airport security does profile and they are the safest airport in the world. So, yeah, screw this molesting sh*t and just go back to profiling, so sorry if this offends those that are a minority this would affect, but **** everyone having to do this in the name of a few of you feeling better.

Second, the radiation issue is a joke. We are so damn afraid of radiation its stupid. Half of your dishes are radioactive, the lantern filament is hella radioactive. Take a Radiation Biology class and you'll start laughing when they pass around the plutonium for everyone to look at and its completely fine.

What a joke. Go check how many flights go in and out of Israel and there wait times, then apply that to our travel and air traffic and tell me what you think. My cousin is homeland security director at a local airport I can assure you they aren't doing it because they are horny and want to grope passengers.

The vast majority of people go through security, get scanned, and its not a big deal. If you want to not be scanned then get ready for a more intrusive physical search. I try to get upset about the searches but really its all the cameras around that bother me more. You have a choice to fly, not really to step outside your door.

Tombstone RJ
04-28-2011, 09:40 AM
Everyone saying flying is not a right are being completely unrealistic and rediculous. Modern business practices require us flying to see customers or clients many times for only a 1-2 hour meeting half way across the country. There is no concievable way to do this regularly and keep the other functions of your business running without the speed of flight. But I'm sure you'd all rather have the producers of the world spend their time driving 20+ hours each in a single car rather than mass transit plane, that'll be wonderful for your environment I'm sure...

two words: video conferencing.

The interwebz, it's a wonderful and strange thing!

I laugh at all the businesses that claim they need people to be shuttled around continuously in order to function.

Technology like skype is all over the place, people are using it to talke with family relatives on vacation overseas, yet businesses in America can't seem to use this tool to conduct meetings??

whatever.

Missouribronc
04-28-2011, 09:40 AM
You've never seen me on the golf course.

LMAO!

cutthemdown
04-28-2011, 09:42 AM
Nope. No driver has ever blown up 3,000 people. Therefore there won't be strip searches on the highway.

Now, drunk driver checkpoints?

I'm against the checkpoints because they are in many cases illegal searches. The Supreme Court ruled the are constitutional and the rationale was they don't take up any time, therefore aren't an intrusion on anyone privacy or time. The test ones the ran were small so it wouldnt screw up traffic.

Now they do screw up traffic, the stop it for miles back in some cases, and it impounds more cars for simple violations then it does catch drunks.

Our country is slowly becoming....excuse me MR spragg, but your papers are not in order!.

baja
04-28-2011, 09:43 AM
I have no problem with security in fact it would be foolish to not have it. We just need scanners that are proven to be safe. Technology is the answer to this problem.

McDman
04-28-2011, 09:46 AM
I have a 2 yr old daughter and 1 year old son. If one of these TSA people laid a hand on my daughter I would have the urge to knock them out. Have you seen the videos of kids getting their clothes removed? It's not just adults. Kids are being subjected to this as well.

And, yes, if you are that afraid of something happening that is infinitely less likely than being struck by lightning, then yes, you are a coward.

Damnit, I wanted to stay out of this.

I've seen the videos of kids being pat down, none strip searched. They do that in private if deemed necessary, don't embellish the truth to make a point.

Getting pat down as opposed to having a better chance at mass murder is a fair trade off. I've been through the search and it is not bad at all, most of the people complaining about it are doing it for attention.

ZachKC
04-28-2011, 09:48 AM
Where does it end with you then? At what point do put a stop to excessive search? What you don't seem to grasp is that you can't open the door a crack because then it will get swung wide open.

When it gets excessive and people don't have to use outliers and fiction to paint the picture of something going wrong.

If you don't want to be searched that is fine. Completely respectable. But it is required to fly. Flying is not a fundamental right no matter how retarded some of you are in this thread.

baja
04-28-2011, 09:48 AM
Damnit, I wanted to stay out of this.

I've seen the videos of kids being pat down, none strip searched. They do that in private if deemed necessary, don't embellish the truth to make a point.

Getting pat down as opposed to having a better chance at mass murder is a fair trade off. I've been through the search and it is not bad at all, most of the people complaining about it are doing it for attention.

There is a difference in the depth of the pat down between a super model and a fat smelly old man. ;D

jhns
04-28-2011, 09:50 AM
Now they do screw up traffic, the stop it for miles back in some cases, and it impounds more cars for simple violations then it does catch drunks.


I don't believe this. If that is true, the cops in your area are pretty dumb. If they set up checkpoints in high traffic areas so that they can get that backed up, they wouldn't catch anyone doing anything illegal. Everyone with something to hide would get off on a side road.

Beantown Bronco
04-28-2011, 09:51 AM
There is a difference in the depth of the pat down between a super model and a fat smelly old man. ;D

Quite literally.....given the fact that she's claiming she was fingered multiple times.

cutthemdown
04-28-2011, 09:56 AM
I don't believe this. If that is true, the cops in your area are pretty dumb. If they set up checkpoints in high traffic areas so that they can get that backed up, they wouldn't catch anyone doing anything illegal. Everyone with something to hide would get off on a side road.

Dude her in calif the send cop cars running up and down the line of cars pulling over anyone who tries to skip the checkpoint. I sat in one for 15 minutes the other night waiting to get through. Also they will set up shop for hours and hours to catch like 3 drunks. It's just not a viable option and IMO has not reduced drunk driving or made us safer. It's just a way for police depts to raise revenue.

cutthemdown
04-28-2011, 09:57 AM
I have no problem with security in fact it would be foolish to not have it. We just need scanners that are proven to be safe. Technology is the answer to this problem.

They are safe. It's stupid to refuse the scanner.

jhns
04-28-2011, 09:58 AM
Dude her in calif the send cop cars running up and down the line of cars pulling over anyone who tries to skip the checkpoint. I sat in one for 15 minutes the other night waiting to get through. Also they will set up shop for hours and hours to catch like 3 drunks. It's just not a viable option and IMO has not reduced drunk driving or made us safer. It's just a way for police depts to raise revenue.

If the line is anywhere close to a mile, they would need a lot of cops patrolling it to stop people from skipping out. Not that this would surprise me. You californians love to waste money.

They just don't do them on that busy of streets here in Nebraska.

cutthemdown
04-28-2011, 09:59 AM
It should be illegal Johns for some cop to stop me just to check if I am breaking the law. That isn't America. I can relent on the planes because they can kill a lot of people when flown into something, I just don't see it being right when it comes to people driving down the road minding there own business.

When i get pulled over, since I don't drink, I never have anything to fear. I will though refuse to answer all questions about where i am going, were i have been, and if i have been drinking. Only actually had to stop once and do that because most times you wait in line, then get passes through. Still though the main reason they should go is DUI checkpoints don't reduce DUI related traffic collisions. If they don't make streets safer then why do it?

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 10:00 AM
Traffic stops in California...

Border patrol? I know there's a big one on I-8 between SD and AZ after the mountains.

cutthemdown
04-28-2011, 10:00 AM
If the line is anywhere close to a mile, they would need a lot of cops patrolling it to stop people from skipping out. Not that this would surprise me. You californians love to waste money.

Actually all of it paid with a federal grant. Look into it. They use police volunteers to scout, set up checkpoint, etc etc. It's a lot easier then you think.

baja
04-28-2011, 10:00 AM
They are safe. It's stupid to refuse the scanner.

Believe what you will but that has not been determined yet. Do your research.

Spider
04-28-2011, 10:02 AM
I don't believe this. If that is true, the cops in your area are pretty dumb. If they set up checkpoints in high traffic areas so that they can get that backed up, they wouldn't catch anyone doing anything illegal. Everyone with something to hide would get off on a side road.

much as I hate to say it .. cut finally got something right , you just need ot shut the **** up when it comes to LA and traffic, I have sat on I 10 for 2 hours over a broke down car ...........It is part of their life out there .......Hell go to North Platte watch how the P.O.E backs up there

cutthemdown
04-28-2011, 10:03 AM
Believe what you will but that has not been determined yet. Do your research.

They say same thing about cell phones. I have been through the scanner and I am fine. What is the big deal?

cutthemdown
04-28-2011, 10:05 AM
I don't fly very much so I guess it's not an issue that really matters much to me. Seems more dangerous to let people on with bombs or weapons.

I'm open minded though but everything I have read says the scanner isnt even up to a chest xray.

jhns
04-28-2011, 10:09 AM
It should be illegal Johns for some cop to stop me just to check if I am breaking the law. That isn't America. I can relent on the planes because they can kill a lot of people when flown into something, I just don't see it being right when it comes to people driving down the road minding there own business.

When i get pulled over, since I don't drink, I never have anything to fear. I will though refuse to answer all questions about where i am going, were i have been, and if i have been drinking. Only actually had to stop once and do that because most times you wait in line, then get passes through. Still though the main reason they should go is DUI checkpoints don't reduce DUI related traffic collisions. If they don't make streets safer then why do it?

I agree on the traffic stuff. I also don't like the cameras that issue tickets. Thankfully, everyone in Nebraska refuses to let them in this state.

The big thing that they do here on the interstate is put a bunch of signs that drug dogs are being used in the area. They are temp orange signs that are placed out with traffic cones so it almost looks like you are going to hit a checkpoint or something. They then put officers on the exits near the signs and stop anyone that gets off. It is a clever trick that has gotten them a lot of big drug busts.

jhns
04-28-2011, 10:15 AM
much as I hate to say it .. cut finally got something right , you just need ot shut the **** up when it comes to LA and traffic, I have sat on I 10 for 2 hours over a broke down car ...........It is part of their life out there .......Hell go to North Platte watch how the P.O.E backs up there

Duh... Notice how you don't have a story about backed up traffic for a check point?

I will believe cut but you are just a dumbass.

Spider
04-28-2011, 10:29 AM
Duh... Notice how you don't have a story about backed up traffic for a check point?

I will believe cut but you are just a dumbass.

:rofl: retard

jhns
04-28-2011, 10:39 AM
:rofl: retard

You know how I know that roads get backed up in the middle of the night by random check points in the city streets? I have seen the interstate get backed up after a car stalled on it in the middle of the afternoon!

It amazes me that you settled for being a truck driver.

Miss I.
04-28-2011, 10:40 AM
When was the last time a driver blew up 3,000 people?

While I don't believe it was 3000 people, didn't the Okalahoma City bombing involve a vehicle full of explosives. Seem to recall that was pretty awful.

As for this video, I don't recall her saying she was fingered. I thought she said the woman touched her vagina, not exactly the same thing as inserting a finger in there. Not saying it wasn't uncomfortable or a problem, but not the same thing as fingering, unless I learned my terminology wrong. I used to work for a Sheriff's department, pat downs of females in custody was very similar to her description for what it's worth. Pat down both legs, all the way up and down the leg. the touching of the vagina, unless I am missing my guess was probably an accident and indicative of someone not well trained or experienced in doing a security search. That is poor managment on TSA's part. They should train their people better. Having said that I wouldn't want a pat down either and if they required one I would definitely try to make them do it privately.

I really don't understand her argument about radioactivity of the scanners. That sounded pretty stupid to me. I do understand her discomfort, but she also seems to be awfully quick to put this stuff on video. Personally if I was really that upset and felt I had been molested my first thing on my to do list would not be to film it and put it on the internet. Maybe film it, hold onto and if really upset go to a reputable source and see my options, but she strikes me as an attention seeker. Everybody has bad **** happen, publishing it on the internet is not the healthiest recourse.

As far as TSA, most of the security stuff they do is a waste of time and not sure it would prevent anything really. It has the appearance of goodness, but doesn't seem that effective, but most of it is merely incovenient rather than horrible. I don't believe in safety before freedom, but I am not sure we've actually given that up, Yet.

Beantown Bronco
04-28-2011, 10:46 AM
Here's the footage of the actual pat-down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAmUPCbhkwo

Spider
04-28-2011, 10:47 AM
You know how I know that roads get backed up in the middle of the night by random check points in the city streets? I have seen the interstate get backed up after a car stalled on it in the middle of the afternoon!

It amazes me that you settled for being a truck driver.

:rofl: well your the one that stated you didnt believe about the check points in LA .....you was wrong , got shown the light move on .....

Pony Boy
04-28-2011, 11:12 AM
Tell that to anyone who has been deployed in the military.

You're missing the point, you where in the military by choice no one made you join unless you lived in the draft era before 1973.

Rohirrim
04-28-2011, 11:42 AM
TSA employees have about the same level of training and pay as your average McDonald's fry cook.

"Yeah, sure. Go ahead and fondle my genitals so I can fly to Duluth." WTF?

Arkie
04-28-2011, 11:54 AM
Keeping you securely in the compounds of the ruling classes is a three phase process.


The first is to indoctrinate the young through government "education" in order to control the thoughts and souls. We spend the most $ per student but aren't ranked anywhere close to the top. (Centralized thought control on a population of 300 million is getting expensive)

The second is to turn citizens against each other through the creation of a dependent class. It is very difficult to rule human beings directly through force -- and where it can be achieved, it remains cripplingly underproductive, as can be seen in North Korea. Human beings do not breed well or produce efficiently in direct captivity. If human beings believe that they are free, then they will produce much more for the government. The best way to maintain this illusion of freedom is to put some of the people on the payroll of the government. Those people that become dependent on the existing hierarchy will then attack any other people who point out the violence, hypocrisy and immorality of human ownership. If you can get the people to attack each other whenever anybody brings up the reality of their situation, then you don't have to spend nearly as much controlling them directly. Those people who become dependent upon the stolen largess of the government will violently oppose any questioning of the virtue of human ownership.

The third phase is to invent continual external threats, so that the frightened people cling to the "protection" of the government.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 12:17 PM
I ADMIT...when i started the video i immediately began to be bias against the chick because my upbringing was tough and i don't like sheltered primadonnas crying wolf over silliness not understanding the real issues and problems much lesser privileged people endure...

but i gotta say, this isn't one of those times...what happened to her is inexcusable...and she's right, if her vagina was touched, she was molested and that's simply unacceptable...

i will say this....i do understand the other side in this but i find it hard to believe that the woman had to have her vagina touched over this...i am not a threat and have never been one so i wouldn't want some guy putting his finger in my anus for "safety purposes"...i am an innocent civilian so i don't think i should get a finger up my butt because of other losers that arent innocent...

now with that said, this WHOLE incident could have been avoided had she just went through the flippin scanner...her reasons for not doing so didn't seem good to me, but that's still her right to not want to do so...

so what i'm wondering is, are there any disclosures visible to civilians to at least inform them of the possible consequences to opting out of the scanner and having a body pat down?...it should be FULLY DISCLOSED somewhere that if you decline the scanner, you will possibly experience what she experienced and perhaps even have the civilian sign a waiver....

that way she won't be in for a surprise...i haven't flown in years so perhaps that is part of the policy now, but if it isn't it should be...that way she'd have more of a choice of which of the options she'd decide to endure...because as much as she didn't want the scanner, i believe had she known how she'd be searched, she would've gone through the scanner...

the fact that her search in (I believe) LAX didn't go anything like the one she had there is another red flag to me...

A Miss USA, or any other person who doesnt want to risk having nude pictures of themselves in mass release, will choose to avoid the scanner every time.

cutthemdown
04-28-2011, 12:29 PM
TSA employees have about the same level of training and pay as your average McDonald's fry cook.

"Yeah, sure. Go ahead and fondle my genitals so I can fly to Duluth." WTF?

I have two friends who do it they make 18 bucks an hour.

cutthemdown
04-28-2011, 12:30 PM
A Miss USA, or any other person who doesnt want to risk having nude pictures of themselves in mass release, will choose to avoid the scanner every time.

Name one case of a scan being released to the public or tabloids? Not saying it hasn't happened but I sure haven't heard about it or known anyone it has happened to. Seems like a non issue to me.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 12:31 PM
Name one case of a scan being released to the public or tabloids? Not saying it hasn't happened but I sure haven't heard about it or known anyone it has happened to. Seems like a non issue to me.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1020&bih=567&q=TSA+scanner+pics&aq=f&aqi=g1g-j1g-b4&aql=&oq=

Beantown Bronco
04-28-2011, 12:32 PM
I ADMIT...when i started the video i immediately began to be bias against the chick because my upbringing was tough and i don't like sheltered primadonnas crying wolf over silliness not understanding the real issues and problems much lesser privileged people endure...

Don't let the "Miss America" title fool you. This chick literally grew up fatherless, on welfare in one of the roughest, poorest cities in Massachusetts.

Tombstone RJ
04-28-2011, 12:36 PM
I have two friends who do it they make 18 bucks an hour.

Making people feel comfy while you fondle them is a skill (especially kids). Many of the TSA employees are former Catholic priests. Yes, they are that good.

cutthemdown
04-28-2011, 12:39 PM
Making people feel comfy while you fondle them is a skill (especially kids). Many of the TSA employees are former Catholic priests. Yes, they are that good.

LOL no they are just dudes trying to earn a buck. My cousin is pretty high up, former military, works for homeland security so I hooked them up. They were happy to get the job because they were unemployed, or spot employed construction laborers. Trust me they would rather everyone go through scanner and avoid a pat down.

Rohirrim
04-28-2011, 12:40 PM
I have two friends who do it they make 18 bucks an hour.

Okay. Third level fry cooks. :angel:

Tombstone RJ
04-28-2011, 12:41 PM
LOL no they are just dudes trying to earn a buck. My cousin is pretty high up, former military, works for homeland security so I hooked them up. They were happy to get the job because they were unemployed, or spot employed construction laborers. Trust me they would rather everyone go through scanner and avoid a pat down.

oh, my bad. :thumbs:

Tombstone RJ
04-28-2011, 12:42 PM
Okay. Third level fry cooks. :angel:

more like assistant-to-the-assistant managers.

cutthemdown
04-28-2011, 12:43 PM
I didn't see any names associated with those pictures Epic. How does anyone get embarrassed by something like that? I just can't get upset over this it seems like a red herring. Our rights are for more damaged by cameras and a Supreme Court who ignores individual liberty.

Also though I think its stupid we dont profile, but that is the pc nature of our country now.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 12:54 PM
I didn't see any names associated with those pictures Epic. How does anyone get embarrassed by something like that? I just can't get upset over this it seems like a red herring. Our rights are for more damaged by cameras and a Supreme Court who ignores individual liberty.

Also though I think its stupid we dont profile, but that is the pc nature of our country now.

A guy in our military just leaked hundreds of sensitive documents to a website for some cash. The military is by far the most secure and efficient government agency we run.

You dont think that a TSA employee would find a way to release nude pictures of Jessica Alba, Katy Perry, or God forbid some child like Miley Cyrus? There is some serious money in that kind of stuff. This is a government agency we're talking about here. They're not exactly the most ship-shape organizations from the top down.

jhns
04-28-2011, 12:58 PM
You dont think that a TSA employee would find a way to release nude pictures of Jessica Alba, Katy Perry

One can only hope.

McDman
04-28-2011, 01:19 PM
A guy in our military just leaked hundreds of sensitive documents to a website for some cash. The military is by far the most secure and efficient government agency we run.

You dont think that a TSA employee would find a way to release nude pictures of Jessica Alba, Katy Perry, or God forbid some child like Miley Cyrus? There is some serious money in that kind of stuff. This is a government agency we're talking about here. They're not exactly the most ship-shape organizations from the top down.

Miley is 18!

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 01:23 PM
Miley is 18!

Well, by all means, bring on the stolen naked pictures. Uhh

cutthemdown
04-28-2011, 01:58 PM
A guy in our military just leaked hundreds of sensitive documents to a website for some cash. The military is by far the most secure and efficient government agency we run.

You dont think that a TSA employee would find a way to release nude pictures of Jessica Alba, Katy Perry, or God forbid some child like Miley Cyrus? There is some serious money in that kind of stuff. This is a government agency we're talking about here. They're not exactly the most ship-shape organizations from the top down.

LOL Child. She has already had more sex then you. I don't care about those people. I care about regular Americans and I don't see them being harmed by going through a scanner.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 02:00 PM
Child. She has already had more sex then you. I don't care about those people. I care about regular Americans and I don't see them being harmed by going through a scanner.

"Regular Americans" dont want their naked pictures on the web either.

broncocalijohn
04-28-2011, 02:02 PM
The US government made me fly. Quite a bit. The University of Denver/Maastricht University make me fly back and fourth between Denver and the Netherlands. I have to fly.

Geez! You can always drive...DUH!

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 02:15 PM
Geez! You can always drive...DUH!

Or buy a ship and set sail.

jhns
04-28-2011, 02:18 PM
Or get a different job.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 02:28 PM
Or get a different job.

Thats an easy thing to do right now.

MplsBronco
04-28-2011, 03:13 PM
To all of you on here too afraid to fly without getting felt up, how about you choose to not fly??? Let's get rid if this bogus "security" and if you are so scared of something so unlikely to happen, then it is your right to not fly.

Those of us who value our freedoms and brave enough to face the dangers that go along with living freely will take our chances.

jhns
04-28-2011, 03:14 PM
Thats an easy thing to do right now.

The company I work for is hiring. We just added three people to my department in the last two weeks.

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 03:17 PM
Those of us who value our freedoms and brave enough to face the dangers that go along with living freely will take our chances.

rep

jhns
04-28-2011, 03:17 PM
To all of you on here too afraid to fly without getting felt up, how about you choose to not fly??? Let's get rid if this bogus "security" and if you are so scared of something so unlikely to happen, then it is your right to not fly.

Those of us who value our freedoms and brave enough to face the dangers that go along with living freely will take our chances.

That isn't something anyone here can give you. Good luck making it happen.

broncocalijohn
04-28-2011, 03:32 PM
The company I work for is hiring. We just added three people to my department in the last two weeks.

We already know about McDonalds hiring 50k workers. We expect more in a career.

jhns
04-28-2011, 03:34 PM
We already know about McDonalds hiring 50k workers. We expect more in a career.

Maybe you are too ambitious.

Gcver2ver3
04-28-2011, 03:36 PM
Don't let the "Miss America" title fool you. This chick literally grew up fatherless, on welfare in one of the roughest, poorest cities in Massachusetts.

fair enough, which is why i was admittedly wrong before being bias in the first place...as your point illustrates, i have no idea what she's been through...

even still, i still came to the conclusion she was treated terribly if what she says is true...

in all fairness though, i do hope at least that you read my post in its entirety...

Gcver2ver3
04-28-2011, 03:39 PM
A Miss USA, or any other person who doesnt want to risk having nude pictures of themselves in mass release, will choose to avoid the scanner every time.

okay, i believe i was keyed in on a bigger point than that, but if you read my post i did illustrate that although i didn't agree with her declining the scanner, that it was still her right to do so....

cutthemdown
04-28-2011, 04:26 PM
If you don't want to be scanned you get searched, its that simple. What is so hard to understand about the limited choices they have? If we didn't have stars showing up with guns sometimes, looped out of brains on pills maybe we could let them just go through. But know they are some of the worst offenders. If anything sports stars, actors etc should get more scrutiny as they offend at a higher level.

So you get patted down. Big ****ing deal. Miss USA probably has pulled some 3 somes in her day and had far worst in her cooze.

TDmvp
04-28-2011, 04:28 PM
http://famousdc.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/tsa.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
04-28-2011, 04:28 PM
If you don't want to be scanned you get searched, its that simple. What is so hard to understand about the limited choices they have? If we didn't have stars showing up with guns sometimes, looped out of brains on pills maybe we could let them just go through. But know they are some of the worst offenders. If anything sports stars, actors etc should get more scrutiny as they offend at a higher level.

So you get patted down. Big ****ing deal. Miss USA probably has pulled some 3 somes in her day and had far worst in her cooze.

Ah, so we expect everyone to lower their standards to slut-dom at the behest of the government. Nice.

Butterscotch Stallion
04-28-2011, 04:41 PM
She'll hire Gloria Alred

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Gcver2ver3
04-28-2011, 06:03 PM
cam selected...

Gcver2ver3
04-28-2011, 06:04 PM
oops, wrong thread,lol...

cutthemdown
04-28-2011, 06:04 PM
I flew, i went through scanner, I have been pulled aside and patted down, its not a big deal. Anyone who thinks this is a problem is being a baby.

Boomhauer
04-28-2011, 08:43 PM
... She just had some lady stick her fingers in her vagina. 4 times. Its understandable that she's upset.

Lessons that should be taken from this;
- If you get your clit pierced, the TSA will require sexual molestation before boarding. Similar for P.Alberts and nips.
- Four times? Female TSA workers need to familiarize themselves with their own vaginas before poking others like HS'ers.
- EMTs may also considering molestation-for-service policies where you can likewise refuse and take a car instead.

Dudeskey
04-28-2011, 08:43 PM
I complain about robots like yourself. McDonalds-gurgling one-offs who are cheerily awaiting the bread lines.

Well, guy...there's bad news at the end of those bread lines for you. You're nothing but a pig in a cage on antibiotics. They'll have no problem handing you a small bottle of vodka and slamming the door in your face.

Nice radiohead reference.
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anywho, Its amazing how many people are accepting of this "security".

Mogulseeker
04-28-2011, 09:19 PM
Or buy a ship and set sail.

Yes, sailing from Denver to Chicago is possible.

Rock Chalk
05-01-2011, 02:42 PM
Are you ****ing serious? I have to fly. It's how my business operates. My wife has to fly, her career requires her to speak at various conferences across the country.

I shouldn't have to deal with all of this insanity to get on a plane just because some folks are terrified of the remote threat of terrorism.

Bus, train, car.

Alternative Options.

epicSocialism4tw
05-01-2011, 03:48 PM
Yes, sailing from Denver to Chicago is possible.

Buying a ship is possible for most people too. As is sailing it across the ocean.

Dr. Broncenstein
05-01-2011, 03:56 PM
I flew, i went through scanner, I have been pulled aside and patted down, its not a big deal. Anyone who thinks this is a problem is being a baby.

There is a powerful and convincing argument for giving up your constitutional rights.

OrangeSe7en
05-01-2011, 04:17 PM
Bus, train, car.

Alternative Options.

Not really.

ol#7
05-01-2011, 04:20 PM
I flew, i went through scanner, I have been pulled aside and patted down, its not a big deal. Anyone who thinks this is a problem is being a baby.

TRANSLATION: I dont mind having my Vagina fingered!

cutthemdown
05-03-2011, 10:54 AM
There is a powerful and convincing argument for giving up your constitutional rights.

Isn't the argument that it keeps bombs and weapons off the planes, not who or who isn't bothered by the search? Also doesn't the govt have a constitutional obligation to make flying as safe as possible? Show me a better way to scan people, don't just whine like a pussy.

cutthemdown
05-03-2011, 10:56 AM
Just come up with an alternative way to get checked that satisfies people who don't want the scan or pat down. I have no idea what it would be though. Then charge them a ton for it extra and tag it on to the ticket price.

tsiguy96
05-03-2011, 10:57 AM
Isn't the argument that it keeps bombs and weapons off the planes, not who or who isn't bothered by the search? Also doesn't the govt have a constitutional obligation to make flying as safe as possible? Show me a better way to scan people, don't just whine like a p***Y.

again, you are advocating that its ok to cut your constitutional rights in the name of "safety"

gyldenlove
05-03-2011, 10:58 AM
Just come up with an alternative way to get checked that satisfies people who don't want the scan or pat down. I have no idea what it would be though. Then charge them a ton for it extra and tag it on to the ticket price.

I would accept these meassures if they could be proven to prevent attacks, but given the TSAs frankly pathetic history on that front, I am not sold.

Dr. Broncenstein
05-03-2011, 11:00 AM
again, you are advocating that its ok to cut your constitutional rights in the name of "safety"

And you are a pussy if you have a problem with it. That's a persuasive argument.

tsiguy96
05-03-2011, 11:01 AM
And you are a p***Y if you have a problem with it. That's a persuasive argument.

its kind of like the argument that you should let govt types search your house, car and person whenever they want because you should have nothing to hide. that doesnt change the fact that its a fundamental right given to you as a US citizen that is being breached, regardless that you have nothing to hide.

cutthemdown
05-03-2011, 11:06 AM
its kind of like the argument that you should let govt types search your house, car and person whenever they want because you should have nothing to hide. that doesnt change the fact that its a fundamental right given to you as a US citizen that is being breached, regardless that you have nothing to hide.

No because what I have in my home doesn't rise to the same level that going onto a plane does. It's just like once you own a business the govt can send in inspectors anytime the wants to look at things like fire safety, food safety, for rats etc etc. Those people cant say illegal search because it's done to protect the public.

So the threat of people turning there homes into bombs to try and blow up the neighborhood doesn't seem as plausible as people trying to hijack planes, blow planes up etc etc.

I'm a govt stay out of our lives type just like most of you are. I am saying the procedure for going on the planes is not that intrusive. Have most of you even done it? because it's not a big deal. I'm just trying to understand what people are so burned out with? The doctors say the scan is safe, that is good enough for me.

cutthemdown
05-03-2011, 11:08 AM
again, you are advocating that its ok to cut your constitutional rights in the name of "safety"

No because you don't live on a plane. I do think it should be very hard for govt to ever search your home. Or you walking down street not going into a secure area like a big concert, a huge rally, a courthouse, or like onto an airplane that has been proven a weapon terrorist love to use.

TailgateNut
05-03-2011, 12:40 PM
I would accept these meassures if they could be proven to prevent attacks, but given the TSAs frankly pathetic history on that front, I am not sold.

TSA and Homeland security are both a JOKE! I've boarded an international flight with the wrong boarding pass (by mistake). No questions until I found someone else in my seat and asked the flight attendant about the issue.

tsiguy96
05-03-2011, 12:43 PM
No because what I have in my home doesn't rise to the same level that going onto a plane does. It's just like once you own a business the govt can send in inspectors anytime the wants to look at things like fire safety, food safety, for rats etc etc. Those people cant say illegal search because it's done to protect the public.

So the threat of people turning there homes into bombs to try and blow up the neighborhood doesn't seem as plausible as people trying to hijack planes, blow planes up etc etc.

I'm a govt stay out of our lives type just like most of you are. I am saying the procedure for going on the planes is not that intrusive. Have most of you even done it? because it's not a big deal. I'm just trying to understand what people are so burned out with? The doctors say the scan is safe, that is good enough for me.

i agree with you too the procedure is not bad, walk through metal detector, ahve youre stuff checked etc then head to your plane. i 100% agree with it as well. what we are saying is that it appears to be headed where it is getting more and more in depth and personal as the years go by with no real justification for doing so. body scans? that should be 100% optional for those who dont want to wait in the line for metal detector, but like she said in the video she was forced to go through it instead of it being optional.

Beantown Bronco
05-03-2011, 12:44 PM
body scans? that should be 100% optional for those who dont want to wait in the line for metal detector, but like she said in the video she was forced to go through it instead of it being optional.

Ummmm, it WAS optional. She chose not to go through the metal detector.

tsiguy96
05-03-2011, 01:23 PM
Ummmm, it WAS optional. She chose not to go through the metal detector.

watch the video again

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-03-2011, 01:42 PM
Great video!
Loved it!
Would watch again, especially when she said "vagina"!

85/100

MplsBronco
05-03-2011, 01:44 PM
No because what I have in my home doesn't rise to the same level that going onto a plane does. It's just like once you own a business the govt can send in inspectors anytime the wants to look at things like fire safety, food safety, for rats etc etc. Those people cant say illegal search because it's done to protect the public.

So the threat of people turning there homes into bombs to try and blow up the neighborhood doesn't seem as plausible as people trying to hijack planes, blow planes up etc etc.

I'm a govt stay out of our lives type just like most of you are. I am saying the procedure for going on the planes is not that intrusive. Have most of you even done it? because it's not a big deal. I'm just trying to understand what people are so burned out with? The doctors say the scan is safe, that is good enough for me.

You simply just do not get "IT".

baja
05-03-2011, 02:32 PM
Ummmm, it WAS optional. She chose not to go through the metal detector.

She along with many others including people educated in the field do not feel the device is safe. It may have cumulative damage dangers.

Like so many corporate driven products these days it got a fast track approval and was never thoroughly tested.

Flex Gunmetal
05-03-2011, 04:38 PM
I'm more protective of my privacy and right to refuse unlawful search and seizure than I am afraid of a terrorist attack. I doubt most people feel that way.
Also, I don't have kids, so I cannot empathize with a lot of you.

But in reality this is all smoke and mirrors to make people feel safe and possibly deter terrorists from trying to pull any ****.

It is a slippery slope, Americans should be concerned with how far these kinds of invasions of privacy will go, and in which directions.
Just my opinion.

TheReverend
05-03-2011, 04:56 PM
I'm more protective of my privacy and right to refuse unlawful search and seizure than I am afraid of a terrorist attack. I doubt most people feel that way.
Also, I don't have kids, so I cannot empathize with a lot of you.

But in reality this is all smoke and mirrors to make people feel safe and possibly deter terrorists from trying to pull any ****.

It is a slippery slope, Americans should be concerned with how far these kinds of invasions of privacy will go, and in which directions.
Just my opinion.

No one is coming for your weed stash, bro.

Flex Gunmetal
05-03-2011, 05:01 PM
No one is coming for your weed stash, bro.

lulz last thing that I'm afraid of. The status quo isn't a huge deal to me, but I can see why it irks some folks more than others.
The idea of forfeiting your rights in general is frightening. It's harder for some to see the big picture. I just wonder how far it goes when/if we aren't just talking about airports anymore.

/tinfoilhatengage

inb4


http://i.imgur.com/M3sc2.gif

TailgateNut
05-03-2011, 05:07 PM
I'm more protective of my privacy and right to refuse unlawful search and seizure than I am afraid of a terrorist attack. I doubt most people feel that way.
Also, I don't have kids, so I cannot empathize with a lot of you.

But in reality this is all smoke and mirrors to make people feel safe and possibly deter terrorists from trying to pull any ****.

It is a slippery slope, Americans should be concerned with how far these kinds of invasions of privacy will go, and in which directions.
Just my opinion.


THIS^

ZachKC
05-03-2011, 05:14 PM
again, you are advocating that its ok to cut your constitutional rights in the name of "safety"

I saw in another thread you are 29 is that true?

ZachKC
05-03-2011, 05:19 PM
i agree with you too the procedure is not bad, walk through metal detector, ahve youre stuff checked etc then head to your plane. i 100% agree with it as well. what we are saying is that it appears to be headed where it is getting more and more in depth and personal as the years go by with no real justification for doing so. body scans? that should be 100% optional for those who dont want to wait in the line for metal detector, but like she said in the video she was forced to go through it instead of it being optional.

They are. They are absolutely optional.

I really don't care what drama queen antics this outlier video has. If you go to an airport right now and want to fly you do not have to go through that machine.

ZachKC
05-03-2011, 05:22 PM
its kind of like the argument that you should let govt types search your house, car and person whenever they want because you should have nothing to hide. that doesnt change the fact that its a fundamental right given to you as a US citizen that is being breached, regardless that you have nothing to hide.

It isn't.

Those are completely different things.

You can't just reject reality and insert your own brand of bull****.

You can absolutely not have anything to do with being searched. No search is forced upon you...your bags...your person...nothing. You just can't do that and fly on a plane. The fact some of you have it in your head that this is somehow a fundamental right being taken away is adorable.

Flex Gunmetal
05-03-2011, 05:28 PM
You can absolutely not have anything to do with being searched. .

http://i.imgur.com/r8NlS.png

cutthemdown
05-03-2011, 09:21 PM
You're all right I don't get it. I flew, bunch of people i know have flown, all lament the long lines and having to arrive so much earlier but no one is worried about there naked scan showing up anywhere. It seems like the red light cameras, dui checkpoints, are far more worrisome to our everyday liberty.

Also though i am all for profiling at the airport. Maybe that would speed things up for little old ladies and kids etc etc.

epicSocialism4tw
05-03-2011, 09:33 PM
It isn't.

Those are completely different things.

You can't just reject reality and insert your own brand of bull****.

You can absolutely not have anything to do with being searched. No search is forced upon you...your bags...your person...nothing. You just can't do that and fly on a plane. The fact some of you have it in your head that this is somehow a fundamental right being taken away is adorable.

Here ya go bro, just visit this link. You can see how smart you are.

http://www.justmorons.com/test.html

Boomhauer
05-04-2011, 04:27 AM
... No search is forced upon you...your bags...your person...nothing. You just can't do that and fly on a plane. ...

Would you object if a restaurant's hostess said to get in she'd have to give your daughter the shocker? If security at an amusement park said admission required your son to be sodomized? Or is it only OK when the state does it?

TailgateNut
05-04-2011, 07:22 AM
Just allow everyone to bring a set of nail clippers (the big ones for toenails) on board and all concern of hijacking would be elliminated.

broncocalijohn
05-04-2011, 12:04 PM
Just allow everyone to bring a set of nail clippers (the big ones for toenails) on board and all concern of hijacking would be elliminated.

I think it is more hilarious that they wont let the pilots bring on board nail clippers yet the best weapon they can use against anyone or anything is the actual plane they are flying! Now that makes a ton of sense.

Chris
05-04-2011, 12:09 PM
Pretty simple:

wearing raiders gear - full cavity search including any probes necessary (they will most likely enjoy it and you will find some crack and or uzis stashed up there).

wearing broncos gear - no passport check, orange buggy ride to the plane. free thumb war with pilot before takeoff.

Boomhauer
05-04-2011, 10:33 PM
Pretty simple:
wearing raiders gear - full cavity search including any probes necessary (they will most likely enjoy it and you will find some crack and or uzis stashed up there).
wearing broncos gear - no passport check, orange buggy ride to the plane. free thumb war with pilot before takeoff.

"Everybody's someone else's n**ger. I know you are, so am I. I wasn't born
with enough middle fingers. I don't need to choose a side." - M.Manson

ZachKC
05-05-2011, 01:17 AM
Would you object if a restaurant's hostess said to get in she'd have to give your daughter the shocker? If security at an amusement park said admission required your son to be sodomized? Or is it only OK when the state does it?

You guys are propping your horse **** on drama, fiction, and outliers.

Good luck. Keep writing your fantasy while the rest of us fly and do business and go security with no hassle.

Boomhauer
05-05-2011, 02:39 AM
You guys are propping your horse **** on drama, fiction, and outliers.
Good luck. Keep writing your fantasy while the rest of us fly and do business and go security with no hassle.
This still applies, but now for class instead of region.......
"Everybody's someone else's n**ger. I know you are, so am I. I wasn't born
with enough middle fingers. I don't need to choose a side." - M.Manson

BroncoMatt
05-06-2011, 06:52 AM
I'm more protective of my privacy and right to refuse unlawful search and seizure than I am afraid of a terrorist attack. I doubt most people feel that way.
Also, I don't have kids, so I cannot empathize with a lot of you.

But in reality this is all smoke and mirrors to make people feel safe and possibly deter terrorists from trying to pull any ****.

It is a slippery slope, Americans should be concerned with how far these kinds of invasions of privacy will go, and in which directions.
Just my opinion.

I do have kids and fully agree with this. How far will it go? When does it stop?

jhns
05-06-2011, 07:20 AM
Would you object if a restaurant's hostess said to get in she'd have to give your daughter the shocker? If security at an amusement park said admission required your son to be sodomized? Or is it only OK when the state does it?

They can require searches if they want to. Blow up a few amusment parks and you may see that happen. If you don't like it, don't go...

Tombstone RJ
05-06-2011, 10:41 PM
flying sucks. Airports suck. combine those two and you've got a world of suck. When I'm in an airport I'm just trying not to strangle the asshole next to me, know what I mean?

baja
05-06-2011, 11:49 PM
flying sucks. Airports suck. combine those two and you've got a world of suck. When I'm in an airport I'm just trying not to strangle the a-hole next to me, know what I mean?

If I get stuck in coach I usually try and fart and that results in an open seat in the middle after a few bombs

Pick Six
05-07-2011, 12:58 AM
Never mind the fighting most of you are doing in this thread, I think this princess "accidently" called Obama a terrorist...Hilarious! This gem happened at approximately 3:38 of the video...