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bronclvr
04-27-2011, 06:36 AM
"NSA Document Admits ET Contact"
By Kevin W. Smith



On October 21, 2004, the NSA approved for release to the public a portion of their NSA Journal Vol. XIV No. 1. This is a report of a presentation given to the NSA by Dr. Howard Campaigne regarding the decoding of extraterrestrial messages that had been received “form outer space”. Apparently, these messages had actually been received via the Sputnik satellite, but no one had any idea how to decode them at the time.



At some time, unspecified in the document, Dr. Howard Campaigne and some other NSA super mathematicians in the crypto department had been given the task of decoding the messages. There were a total of 29 messages to be decoded—quite an undertaking.

It is curious, to say the least, that this document was cleared for release on October 21, 2004. Why was that? Because the NSA did not release it into public information until April 21, 2011. Though cleared for release, the NSA had been stonewalling it along with hundreds of other NSA documents about contact with UFOs and extraterrestrials until they lost the lawsuit brought by Peter Gersten, a lawyer from Arizona. When they well and truly lost, the judge’s order had to be carried out, and the documents had to be released.

Dr. Howard Campaigne's “Extraterrestrial Signals”

The document, as I stated, is Dr. Campaigne’s presentation to the NSA on the decoding of those messages. It was actually published by the NSA in their own internal NSA Journal. Yet, they were also forced to publish a list of search terms from FOIA requests for which they had found no NSA documents. In that list is “Extraterrestrial Signals”. The title of this document, which they published themselves is “Key To Extraterrestrial Messages”.

Quite obviously, they conveniently split hairs here in reporting they had no information about “Extraterrestrial Signals”. They knew for sure they had this document, and that it was about what was being requested in the FOIA request. They knew it, flaunted the technicality of wording, and continued to stonewall.

more here:

http://www.ufodigest.com/article/official-et-disclosure-nsa-document-admits-et-contact-kevin-w-smith

Requiem
04-27-2011, 06:46 AM
Bill Watterson has a good quote about ET.

Peoples Champ
04-27-2011, 07:17 AM
"NSA Document Admits ET Contact"
By Kevin W. Smith



On October 21, 2004, the NSA approved for release to the public a portion of their NSA Journal Vol. XIV No. 1. This is a report of a presentation given to the NSA by Dr. Howard Campaigne regarding the decoding of extraterrestrial messages that had been received “form outer space”. Apparently, these messages had actually been received via the Sputnik satellite, but no one had any idea how to decode them at the time.



At some time, unspecified in the document, Dr. Howard Campaigne and some other NSA super mathematicians in the crypto department had been given the task of decoding the messages. There were a total of 29 messages to be decoded—quite an undertaking.

It is curious, to say the least, that this document was cleared for release on October 21, 2004. Why was that? Because the NSA did not release it into public information until April 21, 2011. Though cleared for release, the NSA had been stonewalling it along with hundreds of other NSA documents about contact with UFOs and extraterrestrials until they lost the lawsuit brought by Peter Gersten, a lawyer from Arizona. When they well and truly lost, the judge’s order had to be carried out, and the documents had to be released.

Dr. Howard Campaigne's “Extraterrestrial Signals”

The document, as I stated, is Dr. Campaigne’s presentation to the NSA on the decoding of those messages. It was actually published by the NSA in their own internal NSA Journal. Yet, they were also forced to publish a list of search terms from FOIA requests for which they had found no NSA documents. In that list is “Extraterrestrial Signals”. The title of this document, which they published themselves is “Key To Extraterrestrial Messages”.

Quite obviously, they conveniently split hairs here in reporting they had no information about “Extraterrestrial Signals”. They knew for sure they had this document, and that it was about what was being requested in the FOIA request. They knew it, flaunted the technicality of wording, and continued to stonewall.

more here:

http://www.ufodigest.com/article/official-et-disclosure-nsa-document-admits-et-contact-kevin-w-smith


More importantly, who is that girl in your avatar?

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 07:19 AM
I had grandmas egg cassarole for breakfast. YUM!

Requiem
04-27-2011, 07:20 AM
Did you wash it down with Ron Paul's seed, Tailgate?

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 07:39 AM
Did you wash it down with Ron Paul's seed, Tailgate?


I guess you also think I was a BushBot who turned TeaBagger.:rofl:

MORON!

Requiem
04-27-2011, 07:44 AM
No, I just thought you liked Ron Paul. Maybe you aren't that guy. Hell, I don't know.

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 07:46 AM
No, I just thought you liked Ron Paul. Maybe you aren't that guy. Hell, I don't know.


I'm a NUT, but not that kind of NUT!

RP has some good ideas, but his **** for brains ideas outnumber and negate his good ideas.

epicSocialism4tw
04-27-2011, 07:53 AM
Any code breakers in here? This stuff gives me a headache.

http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/ufo/key_to_et_messages.pdf

JJG
04-27-2011, 08:12 AM
Any code breakers in here? This stuff gives me a headache.

http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/ufo/key_to_et_messages.pdf

It says something about Tebow being the best football player ever and leading denver to 6 (or is that 8?) super bowl wins. Oh and they are not aliens, just humans from the year 2035

epicSocialism4tw
04-27-2011, 08:14 AM
I says something about Tebow being the best football player ever and leading denver to 6 (or is that 8?) super bowl wins. Oh and they are not aliens, just humans from the year 2035

:rofl:

alkemical
04-27-2011, 08:15 AM
I'm a NUT, but not that kind of NUT!

RP has some good ideas, but his **** for brains ideas outnumber and negate his good ideas.

I think that's human nature. I always joke with my friends: "I'm as smart as I am dumb".

McDman
04-27-2011, 08:39 AM
I'd like to believe it but it could just be an elaborate hoax, who knows. I can't imagine why this hasn't been covered like crazy on the news.

I think awhile ago a Roswell file was release stating they had actually found aliens, could be a hoax but who knows.

Willynowei
04-27-2011, 08:55 AM
The documents are legitimate, there's no question about that, they come off the NSA's website under publicly disclosed information. However, they are just a training exercise created by a professor, here referred to as Dr. Campaigne. Some nut job probably filed a law suit based on just the title of the documents.

http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/ufo/key_to_et_messages.pdf

That is the message that these sites are getting all excited about.


http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/ufo/et_intelligence.pdf

This above is the message the first message referenced. Read the line where it says "test the reader's ingenuity." This was obviously a "hypo" designed to test a cryptographer's ability to decipher unknown code.

That's also why the "alien messages" reads like a law school exam with numbers.

Cleo McDowell
04-27-2011, 08:57 AM
in before macgruder thread takeover.

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 09:13 AM
I'd like to believe it but it could just be an elaborate hoax, who knows. I can't imagine why this hasn't been covered like crazy on the news.

I think awhile ago a Roswell file was release stating they had actually found aliens, could be a hoax but who knows.

The NSA isn't exactly in the business of hoaxes. Well... I guess in a lot of ways that's exactly the business they're in.

This is intriguing at the very least for sure.

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 09:16 AM
The documents are legitimate, there's no question about that, they come off the NSA's website under publicly disclosed information. However, they are just a training exercise created by a professor, here referred to as Dr. Campaigne. Some nut job probably filed a law suit based on just the title of the documents.

http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/ufo/key_to_et_messages.pdf

That is the message that these sites are getting all excited about.


http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/ufo/et_intelligence.pdf

This above is the message the first message referenced. Read the line where it says "test the reader's ingenuity." This was obviously a "hypo" designed to test a cryptographer's ability to decipher unknown code.

That's also why the "alien messages" reads like a law school exam with numbers.

Most likely this ^

Still, if we ever do (or if this is) receive a message from space, I have zero doubt it would be mathematical equations or numeric in some way. Math is the only universal language.

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 09:19 AM
The NSA isn't exactly in the business of hoaxes. Well... I guess in a lot of ways that's exactly the business they're in.

This is intriguing at the very least for sure.


Thank you!

Gotta keep funding space "tripping", err: exploration.......

Just saying!

epicSocialism4tw
04-27-2011, 09:22 AM
Most likely this ^

Still, if we ever do (or if this is) receive a message from space, I have zero doubt it would be mathematical equations or numeric in some way. Math is the only universal language.

That must be why Patrick Peterson is so good at cornerback.

alkemical
04-27-2011, 09:23 AM
The NSA isn't exactly in the business of hoaxes. Well... I guess in a lot of ways that's exactly the business they're in.

This is intriguing at the very least for sure.

Just because it's me:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mashable/20110427/tc_mashable/seti_shuts_down_search_for_alien_life_due_to_lack_ of_funding_1

SETI Shuts Down Search for Alien Life Due to Lack of Funding


Hmmm....

Requiem
04-27-2011, 09:25 AM
If there is no such thing as time, you're already there, and you're controlling this cycle. You say, "Man, look what we found here, Einstein," or whoever you're talking to, Tesla - whoever you're talking to. Problems of the future can be solved by mankind because you create them. And you have to believe in the future, it's what we have to do. We progress, we always progress - we try to.

So the Sumerian tablets, they say the same thing like Genesis said, that there were chariots of fire that came into the sky. And these beings got out of them, and they walked like a man but they had reptilian features. They had snake-like eyes, a tail, and, uh, scales, right? And they were - they were here, and they made slaves out of the people. And where they landed in is what the Bible calls the Garden of Eden. They were trying to inbreed with the people here. The women would die, the babies were deadborn.

But after two thousand years they started taking, the babies started being born and living. And they had tails, they had a few reptilian features. They could phase shift from one dimension to another dimension, and the people who know say it's from the fourth dimension - the next dimension. Space is expanding; there are spirits coming from the center, right? We're going counterclockwise.

There's supposed to be eight other universes going counterclockwise, and that's called Superuniverse, you know? And love's always been the message. It's just - circumstances happen, right? People freak out, just flat flip out, you know? Well, that's where Hitler came from, Hitler came from that way. He was an outspoken, charismatic yeller. And, and all these people said, "Hey, we'll use this guy, hey, look at all these people listening to this guy." You know what I mean? And so that's just what the trip's like, that. You know?

It still exists, and their bloodline goes back - back into Sumerian times. You know, they didn't call it reptilian, they didn't call it that. But they did, because they called him Satan, they called him the Devil, and it's the same damn trip. It's a negative force, coming in on a positive force, because it's a third dimension, right? And for it to solidify or to crystallize, it has to have both elements, right? And you have to keep it in balance, or it will, it will, one of them will destroy the other ....

alkemical
04-27-2011, 09:25 AM
Thank you!

Gotta keep funding space "tripping", err: exploration.......

Just saying!

When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks. ..

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 09:32 AM
Thank you!

Gotta keep funding space "tripping", err: exploration.......

Just saying!

Yeah.

My inner debate is basically:

If this is a training exercise or disinformation, why drag your feet on releasing the documents under National Security and have it take a lawsuit to become public?

If it's disinformation, why wouldn't it be leaked properly and be a big news headline?

Meh, whatever. I'm confident that we'll make enough advances in my lifetime to know for certain the answers to these questions and scientific evidence proving or disproving spiritual ideology.

epicSocialism4tw
04-27-2011, 09:33 AM
Yeah.

My inner debate is basically:

If this is a training exercise or disinformation, why drag your feet on releasing the documents under National Security and have it take a lawsuit to become public?

If it's disinformation, why wouldn't it be leaked properly and be a big news headline?

Meh, whatever. I'm confident that we'll make enough advances in my lifetime to know for certain the answers to these questions and scientific evidence proving or disproving spiritual ideology.

Just ask PP. PP has the answer.

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 09:35 AM
Just ask PP. PP has the answer.

You're a really poor troll.

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 09:40 AM
Just because it's me:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mashable/20110427/tc_mashable/seti_shuts_down_search_for_alien_life_due_to_lack_ of_funding_1

SETI Shuts Down Search for Alien Life Due to Lack of Funding


Hmmm....


See my previous post.

Gotta feed the Space complex.

All the astronauts are saddened by the lack of future trips to the moon and mars and the international space station AKA Hotel in the sky!

alkemical
04-27-2011, 09:41 AM
You're a really poor troll.

http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq95/beckah54/Llama.jpg

alkemical
04-27-2011, 09:42 AM
See my previous post.

Gotta feed the Space complex.

All the astronauts are saddened by the lack of future trips to the moon and mars and the international space station AKA Hotel in the sky!

I'd rather pay for space stuff, than bull **** wars.

But, that's just me. :flower:

epicSocialism4tw
04-27-2011, 09:42 AM
You're a really poor troll.

Peterson is the greatest prospect since Andrew Luck. He'll have no problem using his talents to break this code and introduce us to the ET's. His hip fluidity helps him turn in his chair from book to book, which increases the speed and efficiency at which he can digest this code.

IHaveALight
04-27-2011, 09:50 AM
If there is no such thing as time, you're already there, and you're controlling this cycle. You say, "Man, look what we found here, Einstein," or whoever you're talking to, Tesla - whoever you're talking to. Problems of the future can be solved by mankind because you create them. And you have to believe in the future, it's what we have to do. We progress, we always progress - we try to.

So the Sumerian tablets, they say the same thing like Genesis said, that there were chariots of fire that came into the sky. And these beings got out of them, and they walked like a man but they had reptilian features. They had snake-like eyes, a tail, and, uh, scales, right? And they were - they were here, and they made slaves out of the people. And where they landed in is what the Bible calls the Garden of Eden. They were trying to inbreed with the people here. The women would die, the babies were deadborn.

But after two thousand years they started taking, the babies started being born and living. And they had tails, they had a few reptilian features. They could phase shift from one dimension to another dimension, and the people who know say it's from the fourth dimension - the next dimension. Space is expanding; there are spirits coming from the center, right? We're going counterclockwise.

There's supposed to be eight other universes going counterclockwise, and that's called Superuniverse, you know? And love's always been the message. It's just - circumstances happen, right? People freak out, just flat flip out, you know? Well, that's where Hitler came from, Hitler came from that way. He was an outspoken, charismatic yeller. And, and all these people said, "Hey, we'll use this guy, hey, look at all these people listening to this guy." You know what I mean? And so that's just what the trip's like, that. You know?

It still exists, and their bloodline goes back - back into Sumerian times. You know, they didn't call it reptilian, they didn't call it that. But they did, because they called him Satan, they called him the Devil, and it's the same damn trip. It's a negative force, coming in on a positive force, because it's a third dimension, right? And for it to solidify or to crystallize, it has to have both elements, right? And you have to keep it in balance, or it will, it will, one of them will destroy the other ....

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTwgdPoe_V10DbqpdGhH9SVBF5ubGWfR NZfEOLtISyxwk4AtnckkfjEzPc http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTYKkps7DWgIJ7Mr9kn0HCRbMZF_2BSN dnKWNYO87AN37zdKkOW2A

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 09:51 AM
See my previous post.

Gotta feed the Space complex.

All the astronauts are saddened by the lack of future trips to the moon and mars and the international space station AKA Hotel in the sky!

I think it's great work and money VERY well spent personally.

Space exploration has provided us some of our greatest technological breakthroughs.

I'd like to see more of it and more money thrown at mapping and exploring our own oceans.

Requiem
04-27-2011, 09:52 AM
Let jhns explore the oceans. His sacrifice will not be forgotten.

alkemical
04-27-2011, 09:53 AM
I think it's great work and money VERY well spent personally.

Space exploration has provided us some of our greatest technological breakthroughs.

I'd like to see more of it and more money thrown at mapping and exploring our own oceans.

I'm with you, as long as we don't wake this guy:

http://www.daqq.eu/img/thoughts/cthulhu.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
04-27-2011, 09:55 AM
I think it's great work and money VERY well spent personally.

Space exploration has provided us some of our greatest technological breakthroughs.

I'd like to see more of it and more money thrown at mapping and exploring our own oceans.

Send PP down there, brah. The ocean cant crush him with pressure...he exerts a force that actually pushes against the ocean all the way down to 11,000 meters. His crazy speed would get him to the bottom of the Mariana trench in no more than 3.2 seconds.

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 09:56 AM
All this alien talk is part of the plan..

I am fully convinced these stories below are true to an extent.. there is always the possibility some details are wrong or some disinfo is mixed in.. but the point is - don't buy what they are selling.

I think the key issue is maintaining financial control and them being afraid this technology equals the playing field for EVERYONE...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ALLUuvsVkM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP4zQ4R8vJg

I found something out recently that has blown my mind completely.. it follows what that woman said Werner Von Braun told her.. about putting weapons in space..

Well in the 60s we made a world treaty preventing nations from putting weapons in space..

Read this..

http://thelivingmoon.com/47brotherthebig/03files/Antarctic_Time_Warp_Discovery.html

Our government made this time warp.. then put the treaty in place preventing people from going back.. and yet we can go back before the treaty is in place and do whatever we want..

It sounds like ridiculous sci fi madness.. but I honestly think this is true.

tsiguy96
04-27-2011, 09:57 AM
always thought people making a huge deal about space stuff was overdramatic. the universe is too big for people to comprehend, and in that whole space, only one tiny speck is capable of supporting life? even if its a 10-trillion to 1 shot that life can be supported on a planet, odds still support that somewhere else there has to be life.

also, if they ever find it it will be too far away to do much about.

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 10:01 AM
in before macgruder thread takeover.

Nailed it lol

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 10:03 AM
All this alien talk is part of the plan..

I am fully convinced these stories below are true to an extent.. there is always the possibility some details are wrong or some disinfo is mixed in.. but the point is - don't buy what they are selling.

I think the key issue is maintaining financial control and them being afraid this technology equals the playing field for EVERYONE...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ALLUuvsVkM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP4zQ4R8vJg

I found something out recently that has blown my mind completely.. it follows what that woman said Werner Von Braun told her.. about putting weapons in space..

Well in the 60s we made a world treaty preventing nations from putting weapons in space..

Read this..

http://thelivingmoon.com/47brotherthebig/03files/Antarctic_Time_Warp_Discovery.html

Our government made this time warp.. then put the treaty in place preventing people from going back.. and yet we can go back before the treaty is in place and do whatever we want..

It sounds like ridiculous sci fi madness.. but I honestly think this is true.


We know who has his medical marijuana card!:rofl:

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 10:06 AM
We know who has his medical marijuana card!:rofl:

What? You don't believe in the Government making time warps to alter treaties?! It's SO clear though!

In b4 Llama makes a whiny, dramatic post about PP being so fast he ran back in time to do it himself (yes, that's how sad and predictable you are)

epicSocialism4tw
04-27-2011, 10:08 AM
What? You don't believe in the Government making time warps to alter treaties?! It's SO clear though!

In b4 Llama makes a whiny, dramatic post about PP being so fast he ran back in time to do it himself (yes, that's how sad and predictable you are)

PP 4 Prez. I'm witcha, brosef.

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 10:08 AM
We know who has his medical marijuana card!:rofl:

Funnily.. this is why they can get away with doing this stuff.. because no one would believe it's possible.. here is what the head of one of the top black projects companies said..

“We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity….. anything you can imagine we already know how to do.”
Ben Rich, former Head of the Lockheed Skunk Works

He died right around the time he made this comment..

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 10:10 AM
Funnily.. this is why they can get away with doing this stuff.. because no one would believe it's possible.. here is what the head of one of the top black projects companies said..



He died right around the time he made this comment..



Damn skippy, did you ingest a bit to much Acid in the 60s and 70s?

alkemical
04-27-2011, 10:12 AM
All this alien talk is part of the plan..

I am fully convinced these stories below are true to an extent.. there is always the possibility some details are wrong or some disinfo is mixed in.. but the point is - don't buy what they are selling.

I think the key issue is maintaining financial control and them being afraid this technology equals the playing field for EVERYONE...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ALLUuvsVkM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP4zQ4R8vJg

I found something out recently that has blown my mind completely.. it follows what that woman said Werner Von Braun told her.. about putting weapons in space..

Well in the 60s we made a world treaty preventing nations from putting weapons in space..

Read this..

http://thelivingmoon.com/47brotherthebig/03files/Antarctic_Time_Warp_Discovery.html

Our government made this time warp.. then put the treaty in place preventing people from going back.. and yet we can go back before the treaty is in place and do whatever we want..

It sounds like ridiculous sci fi madness.. but I honestly think this is true.

How does this tie into, or validate the Montauk Project?

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 10:13 AM
Funnily.. this is why they can get away with doing this stuff.. because no one would believe it's possible.. here is what the head of one of the top black projects companies said..



He died right around the time he made this comment..

:rofl:

1. Provide a link to him saying that publicly.

2. He died of ****ing cancer.

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 10:26 AM
:rofl:

1. Provide a link to him saying that publicly.

2. He died of ****ing cancer.

Yes, I know.. but the point is he said this before he died.. because if he said it while healthy god only knows what they'd do to him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQqkQdQrsC8

Broncos_OTM
04-27-2011, 10:30 AM
If there is no such thing as time, you're already there, and you're controlling this cycle. You say, "Man, look what we found here, Einstein," or whoever you're talking to, Tesla - whoever you're talking to. Problems of the future can be solved by mankind because you create them. And you have to believe in the future, it's what we have to do. We progress, we always progress - we try to.

So the Sumerian tablets, they say the same thing like Genesis said, that there were chariots of fire that came into the sky. And these beings got out of them, and they walked like a man but they had reptilian features. They had snake-like eyes, a tail, and, uh, scales, right? And they were - they were here, and they made slaves out of the people. And where they landed in is what the Bible calls the Garden of Eden. They were trying to inbreed with the people here. The women would die, the babies were deadborn.

But after two thousand years they started taking, the babies started being born and living. And they had tails, they had a few reptilian features. They could phase shift from one dimension to another dimension, and the people who know say it's from the fourth dimension - the next dimension. Space is expanding; there are spirits coming from the center, right? We're going counterclockwise.

There's supposed to be eight other universes going counterclockwise, and that's called Superuniverse, you know? And love's always been the message. It's just - circumstances happen, right? People freak out, just flat flip out, you know? Well, that's where Hitler came from, Hitler came from that way. He was an outspoken, charismatic yeller. And, and all these people said, "Hey, we'll use this guy, hey, look at all these people listening to this guy." You know what I mean? And so that's just what the trip's like, that. You know?

It still exists, and their bloodline goes back - back into Sumerian times. You know, they didn't call it reptilian, they didn't call it that. But they did, because they called him Satan, they called him the Devil, and it's the same damn trip. It's a negative force, coming in on a positive force, because it's a third dimension, right? And for it to solidify or to crystallize, it has to have both elements, right? And you have to keep it in balance, or it will, it will, one of them will destroy the other ....

to much j roc for you. you know what i am saying?

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 10:40 AM
Yes, I know.. but the point is he said this before he died.. because if he said it while healthy god only knows what they'd do to him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQqkQdQrsC8

:rofl:

1. That's far from him saying it. Awesome 2nd hand info.

2. That quote isn't even remotely involved... not even close!

3. Want to see how easy it is to play your nuts-o game with 2nd hand "information"?

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2010/08/ufo-are-real-ben-rich-lockheed-skunk.html

Ben Rich Lockheed Skunk Works director had admitted in his Deathbed Confession that Extraterrestrial UFO visitors are real and the U.S. Military travel among stars.

Lockheed "Skunk Works" former director knew the Roswell extraterrestrial UFO influenced designs of Testor model kits for Roswell UFO models, and U.S. top secret aircraft. According to a CNI News report by Colorado resident Michael Lindemann, the design information was derived from forensic illustrations and numerous witness testimonies about the Roswell UFO, provided by William L. “Bill” McDonald.

Dr. Ben R. Rich former Lockheed Skunk Works director confirmed:

1. There are 2 types of UFOs -- the ones we build and ones 'they' build. We learned from both crash retrievals and actual "hand-me-downs." The Government knew and until 1969 took an active hand in the administration of that information. After a 1969 Nixon "purge", administration was handled by an international board of directors in the private sector…

--------------------

Let me guess, your 2nd hand info is legit and this is "disinformation"?

Newsflash: They're probably both full of ****.

NUB
04-27-2011, 10:43 AM
I have personally seen UFOs with a second witness. As a rational, and cynical, person, I have difficulty finding some explanation for what I saw. So, to this day, I'm open to either advanced military weapons technologies being explored or more extraordinary, aliens from far off buzzing our planet.

alkemical
04-27-2011, 10:46 AM
I have personally seen UFOs with a second witness. As a rational, and cynical, person, I have difficulty finding some explanation for what I saw. So, to this day, I'm open to either advanced military weapons technologies being explored or more extraordinary, aliens from far off buzzing our planet.

I'm totally open to "believing"...I just wish I would dammit!!!

Man-Goblin
04-27-2011, 10:46 AM
Read this..

http://thelivingmoon.com/47brotherthebig/03files/Antarctic_Time_Warp_Discovery.html

Our government made this time warp.. then put the treaty in place preventing people from going back.. and yet we can go back before the treaty is in place and do whatever we want..

It sounds like ridiculous sci fi madness.. but I honestly think this is true.

I really enjoyed this. Especially the part where the drunk russian dudes are hanging out in the woods trying to get a time machine that runs on a car battery to work.

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 10:52 AM
:rofl:

1. That's far from him saying it. Awesome 2nd hand info.

2. That quote isn't even remotely involved... not even close!

3. Want to see how easy it is to play your nuts-o game with 2nd hand "information"?

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2010/08/ufo-are-real-ben-rich-lockheed-skunk.html

Ben Rich Lockheed Skunk Works director had admitted in his Deathbed Confession that Extraterrestrial UFO visitors are real and the U.S. Military travel among stars.

Lockheed "Skunk Works" former director knew the Roswell extraterrestrial UFO influenced designs of Testor model kits for Roswell UFO models, and U.S. top secret aircraft. According to a CNI News report by Colorado resident Michael Lindemann, the design information was derived from forensic illustrations and numerous witness testimonies about the Roswell UFO, provided by William L. “Bill” McDonald.

Dr. Ben R. Rich former Lockheed Skunk Works director confirmed:

1. There are 2 types of UFOs -- the ones we build and ones 'they' build. We learned from both crash retrievals and actual "hand-me-downs." The Government knew and until 1969 took an active hand in the administration of that information. After a 1969 Nixon "purge", administration was handled by an international board of directors in the private sector…

--------------------

Let me guess, your 2nd hand info is legit and this is "disinformation"?

Newsflash: They're probably both full of ****.

You answered my question for me because you see the truth too.. you are starting to get it.. You are smart.. most people aren't smart enough to see it. Keep watching what is going on and you will see the patterns.

I'll give you a big hint.. Obama said when getting elected we needed methods of making power that gave people jobs... yet here we are shutting the space shuttle down and cutting the space program. If Obama was so concerned with INVENTING jobs why not invest in the space program which would foster technological and economic growth? When you look around you wil see everything come into focus...

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 10:57 AM
You answered my question for me because you see the truth too.. you are starting to get it.. You are smart.. most people aren't smart enough to see it. Keep watching what is going on and you will see the patterns.

I'll give you a big hint.. Obama said when getting elected we needed methods of making power that gave people jobs... yet here we are shutting the space shuttle down and cutting the space program. If Obama was so concerned with INVENTING jobs why not invest in the space program which would foster technological and economic growth? When you look around you wil see everything come into focus...

http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/a/9/a9779_ORIG-JesusFacepalm.jpg


All you did was dodge the complete point by point decimation of your quotes and links... AGAIN and then pass it off as some inside wisdom that other's will "get".

No... we won't. Because we're not ****ing nuts and don't believe everything we read from whacked out conspiracy websites.

I am still waiting on ANY credible source even vaguely supporting any of your crazed theories.

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 11:02 AM
You think all of this is just a coincidence? You can't make all this up.. that Antartica thing no one even mentioned the treaty that went in place 2 years after the date the time warp takes you back to. No one is aware of this.. then read Nick Cook's book.. then research Viktor Schauberger.. then read what John Lear's dad was saying in the 50s publicly about antigravity..

The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming if you want to look..

Then you have what my dad saw.. add that to all this.. it's irrefutable..

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 11:06 AM
You think all of this is just a coincidence? You can't make all this up.. that Antartica thing no one even mentioned the treaty that went in place 2 years after the date the time warp takes you back to. No one is aware of this.. then read Nick Cook's book.. then research Viktor Schauberger.. then read what John Lear's dad was saying in the 50s publicly about antigravity..

The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming if you want to look..

Then you have what my dad saw.. add that to all this.. it's irrefutable..

:rofl:

Btw, I have read Nick Cook's book. Still waiting on a quote with a pg # and paragraph.

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 11:09 AM
Irrefutable evidence!

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MacGruder
04-27-2011, 11:11 AM
I told you.. Art Bell asked Nick Cook if he believed we have flown a true antigravity craft and he said emphatically yes. I think it was from 2005.. I AM sure you can find it if you look around...

Yet you act like all this stuff is nonsense and scifi wackiness.. it's reality.. truth is stranger than fiction.

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 11:13 AM
http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/a/9/a9779_ORIG-JesusFacepalm.jpg


All you did was dodge the complete point by point decimation of your quotes and links... AGAIN and then pass it off as some inside wisdom that other's will "get".

No... we won't. Because we're not ****ing nuts and don't believe everything we read from whacked out conspiracy websites.

I am still waiting on ANY credible source even vaguely supporting any of your crazed theories.

;D

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 11:16 AM
You think all of this is just a coincidence? You can't make all this up.. that Antartica thing no one even mentioned the treaty that went in place 2 years after the date the time warp takes you back to. No one is aware of this.. then read Nick Cook's book.. then research Viktor Schauberger.. then read what John Lear's dad was saying in the 50s publicly about antigravity..

The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming if you want to look..

Then you have what my dad saw.. add that to all this.. it's irrefutable..


Thanks for the laugh.

Are you allowed out of your rubber room on weekends?

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 11:16 AM
I told you.. Art Bell asked Nick Cook if he believed we have flown a true antigravity craft and he said emphatically yes. I think it was from 2005.. I AM sure you can find it if you look around...

Yet you act like all this stuff is nonsense and scifi wackiness.. it's reality.. truth is stranger than fiction.

Make sure you check my youtube vid. Irrefutable evidence bro!

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 11:19 AM
Read the book Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion by Paul LaViolette.. it's incredible.. he documents all of this stuff.

This writer had an interview with a fringe news site and the interview was disconnected like 24 times.. both of them claimed nothing like this had happened before.. and it was when they were bringing up every key major piece of the puzzle..

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 11:20 AM
I really enjoyed this. Especially the part where the drunk russian dudes are hanging out in the woods trying to get a time machine that runs on a car battery to work.

Haha, I read through it to get the reference.

Isn't it amazing how the Russians had mastered time but somehow lost the Cold War and are a ****hole of a nation to day?

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 11:20 AM
Read the book Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion by Paul LaViolette.. it's incredible.. he documents all of this stuff.

This writer had an interview with a fringe news site and the interview was disconnected like 24 times.. both of them claimed nothing like this had happened before.. and it was when they were bringing up every key major piece of the puzzle..


Aliens jamming their signal!:thumbsup:

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 11:21 AM
Read the book Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion by Paul LaViolette.. it's incredible.. he documents all of this stuff.

This writer had an interview with a fringe news site and the interview was disconnected like 24 times.. both of them claimed nothing like this had happened before.. and it was when they were bringing up every key major piece of the puzzle..

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MacGruder
04-27-2011, 11:22 AM
Make sure you check my youtube vid. Irrefutable evidence bro!

They mocked cold fusion like that too...

Cold fusion was discovered the same year Bob Lazar came out claiming he worked on alien technology...

He described how the alien power plant worked then and the Rossi cold fusion system uses a nearly identical process.. only Lazar said you needed a material called element 115 not found on earth and Rossi's system uses one of the cheapest elements around - nickel.

Bob Lazar poses as someone brining us alien discolusre... dangerous chemicals online and hydrogen powered cars.. the perfect cover for a government agent suppressing super technologies..

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 11:22 AM
Aliens jamming their signal!:thumbsup:

I like how it was just disconnected.

If the government gave that much of a ****, the entire station would've been shut down immediately and they'd probably be dead.

But "OMG, our dog **** funded station because we're crazy people has a weak signal! Must be the government!"

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 11:23 AM
They mocked cold fusion like that too...

Cold fusion was discovered the same year Bob Lazar came out claiming he worked on alien technology...

He described how the alien power plant worked then and the Rossi cold fusion system uses a nearly identical process.. only Lazar said you needed a material called element 115 not found on earth and Rossi's system uses one of the cheapest elements around - nickel.

Bob Lazar poses as someone brining us alien discolusre... dangerous chemicals online and hydrogen powered cars.. the perfect cover for a government agent suppressing super technologies..

...or he's just a nut job like you?

"His critics have asserted that "Lazar's credibility crumbled" after "schools he was supposed to have attended had no record of him, while others in the scientific community had no memory of ever meeting him.""

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 11:24 AM
Haha, I read through it to get the reference.

Isn't it amazing how the Russians had mastered time but somehow lost the Cold War and are a ****hole of a nation to day?

Did they lose? Aren't thy on an upswing and now we are moving to communism?

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 11:26 AM
...or he's just a nut job like you?

"His critics have asserted that "Lazar's credibility crumbled" after "schools he was supposed to have attended had no record of him, while others in the scientific community had no memory of ever meeting him.""

That's the point.. he wasn't supposed to be taken seriously.. he was a diversion.. he was supposed to discredit all of the related things involved.. aliens, antigrav.. area 51.

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 11:27 AM
I like how it was just disconnected.

If the government gave that much of a ****, the entire station would've been shut down immediately and they'd probably be dead.

But "OMG, our dog **** funded station because we're crazy people has a weak signal! Must be the government!"

Actually you should see videos of the writer... he seems to be rapidly deteriorating physically.

2KBack
04-27-2011, 11:28 AM
Holy **** this thread got awesome

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 11:29 AM
I like how it was just disconnected.

If the government gave that much of a ****, the entire station would've been shut down immediately and they'd probably be dead.

But "OMG, our dog **** funded station because we're crazy people has a weak signal! Must be the government!"


Back in the late 70s I was testing prototype electronic warfare choppers "Quick Fix" in various parts of the country. Maybe our radio operators/ linguists accidentally jammed their signal. :rofl:


This guy is nucking futz!

Mr. Elway
04-27-2011, 11:30 AM
UPDATE: Apparently they have published the alleged message. Little is known, other than the fact that it was originally captured on April 20th, 2002. The content appears to be encoded with an advanced encryption algorithm, and no one has yet been able to decipher it. The message simply reads:

EEEEEDDDDRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEDDDDD!!!!111!!11

Hopefully someone can decrypt it and we can find out what's going on out there beyond Earth.

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 11:32 AM
Proof that Thermite can cut a vertical column

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpPNRrylH00

alkemical
04-27-2011, 11:33 AM
Macgruder,

Are you familiar with the Montauk project?

It's stated that they used dimensional travel, and even went back in time to get the DNA of Christ.

Look, i ask questions and I poke a little fun - but i'm interested in some of your posts.

Do you think Aliester Crowley summoned LAM/Aliens (http://www.boudillion.com/lam/lam.htm)? Jack Parsons was also involved with the Occult, is it possible they contacted inter-dimensional beings and were granted access to knowledge?

I mean Jack Parsons about killed L. Ron Hubbard..

http://www.boudillion.com/lam/lam02.jpg


According to O.T.O. chief Kenneth Grant:



• Lam is known to be a link between the star systems of Sirius and Andromeda.

• Lam is the gateway to the Void. Its number, 71, is that of "NoThing", an apparition.

• Lam, as a Great Old One, whose archetype is recognizable in accounts of UFO occupants.

• Lam has been invoked to fulfill the work set afoot by Aiwass; as a reflex of Aiwass.

• Lam as the transmitter to AL of the vibrations of LA via MA, the key to the Aeon of Maat.

• Lam is the occult energy beaming the vibrations of Maat and may proceed from that future aeon.

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 11:33 AM
Somebody needs to put this clown in one of those "I hug myself" jackets!

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 11:34 AM
Oy Vey!

briane
04-27-2011, 11:35 AM
Any code breakers in here? This stuff gives me a headache.

http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/ufo/key_to_et_messages.pdf

It was tough but roughly translated it means.....

Happy Birthday Crushaholic. ????

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 11:38 AM
Macgruder,

Are you familiar with the Montauk project?

It's stated that they used dimensional travel, and even went back in time to get the DNA of Christ.

Look, i ask questions and I poke a little fun - but i'm interested in some of your posts.


I don't know anything about that... but I will say that in the past I was like you guys and would shoot down things like this automatically..

But we have truly been conditioned to do this. One of the key elements of all this is Viktor Schauberger.. read his stuff and he sounds like a complete loon.. but somehow he stumbled on all of this simply from his own deep deep observations of nature...

If the government wants people to ignore something like Schauberger how do you do it? Make up a ton of nonsense that sounds similar so people are conditioned to respond to anything sounding strange the same way... we are doing exactly what these people have pushed us to do.. they have forced us to be hyper skeptical.

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 11:40 AM
Back in the late 70s I was testing prototype electronic warfare choppers "Quick Fix" in various parts of the country. Maybe our radio operators/ linguists accidentally jammed their signal. :rofl:


This guy is nucking futz!

My favorite is that he claims the B2 bomber uses anti gravity...

Last one in this vid is the B2 taking off...

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alkemical
04-27-2011, 11:43 AM
I don't know anything about that... but I will say that in the past I was like you guys and would shoot down things like this automatically..

But we have truly been conditioned to do this. One of the key elements of all this is Viktor Schauberger.. read his stuff and he sounds like a complete loon.. but somehow he stumbled on all of this simply from his own deep deep observations of nature...

If the government wants people to ignore something like Schauberger how do you do it? Make up a ton of nonsense that sounds similar so people are conditioned to respond to anything sounding strange the same way... we are doing exactly what these people have pushed us to do.. they have forced us to be hyper skeptical.



Who are you talking to? If you are talking to me, you really have me wrong. I told you before - you should go dig up some of the **** I post here.


Or wasn't Crowley and Parsons evoking LAM weird enough?

I can show you all the occult evidence of JPL & NASA to show you that your alien theory has less to do with aliens in a traditional sense, and more to do with being evoked via practices that parsons, crowley, etc have illustrated.

Go check out Hoagland's stuff - you'll see what the truth is.

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 11:51 AM
Who are you talking to? If you are talking to me, you really have me wrong. I told you before - you should go dig up some of the **** I post here.


Or wasn't Crowley and Parsons evoking LAM weird enough?

I can show you all the occult evidence of JPL & NASA to show you that your alien theory has less to do with aliens in a traditional sense, and more to do with being evoked via practices that parsons, crowley, etc have illustrated.

Go check out Hoagland's stuff - you'll see what the truth is.

Jesus, James. This guy is unstable enough to make this a terrible idea.

alkemical
04-27-2011, 11:54 AM
Jesus, James. This guy is unstable enough to make this a terrible idea.

He has every rite to see what happens. Don't hide the knowledge Rev.

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 11:55 AM
Who are you talking to? If you are talking to me, you really have me wrong. I told you before - you should go dig up some of the **** I post here.


Or wasn't Crowley and Parsons evoking LAM weird enough?

I can show you all the occult evidence of JPL & NASA to show you that your alien theory has less to do with aliens in a traditional sense, and more to do with being evoked via practices that parsons, crowley, etc have illustrated.

Go check out Hoagland's stuff - you'll see what the truth is.

I meant the skeptics not you...

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 11:57 AM
My favorite is that he claims the B2 bomber uses anti gravity...

Last one in this vid is the B2 taking off...

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What is your point? It uses Antigrav to allow it to fly nonstop in an overunity fashion. There may also be variants that use a full antigrav system,,, again.. you are just talking out of ignorance here

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 12:03 PM
What is your point? It uses Antigrav to allow it to fly nonstop in an overunity fashion. There may also be variants that use a full antigrav system,,, again.. you are just talking out of ignorance here

Yup. I'm the one talking out of ignorance.

alkemical
04-27-2011, 12:05 PM
I meant the skeptics not you...

Well then have a conversation with me, and don't address other people.

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 12:07 PM
Yup. I'm the one talking out of ignorance.

Yes.. you are.. unless you think you know more than Nick Cook.. talk about delusional..

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 12:09 PM
Well then have a conversation with me, and don't address other people.

I honestly suspect that a lot of that occult stuff may be disinfo.. but I am uncertain.. because I have seen some stuff that does seem to tie to the occult. But do they do that on purpose to obfuscate what they are doing?

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 12:10 PM
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/thereverend316/Asvab.jpg

Disregard the circled part. That was for a "Marines are stupid" discussion where I responded with a perfect score on the military's intelligence test.

Look at the top... that's showing how I spent 5 years working on Military aircraft and their systems with a secret clearance. I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt we do not use anti-gravity... especially haven't had it functioning since the ****ing 80s.

Am I certain that Lockheed has and is experimenting with it? Sure. The government throws money at anything that could potentially get it an edge.

Aerospace is also a huge hobby of mine, but that's inconsequential.

Now, I got off course, so I'm sorry... What are your qualifications again?

alkemical
04-27-2011, 12:11 PM
macGruder -

The montauk project in short:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project

The Montauk Project was alleged to be a series of secret United States government projects conducted at Camp Hero or Montauk Air Force Station on Montauk, Long Island for the purpose of developing psychological warfare techniques and exotic research including time travel. Jacques Vallée[1] describes allegations of the Montauk Project as an outgrowth of stories about the Philadelphia Experiment.

http://www.subversiveelement.com/MontaukProject12.html

Supposedly, the scientists involved became very excited at this discovery, and a new group of people were brought in to specialize in the study of Time. With the aid of the Time Techs, a workable porthole was constructed using the electrical power of the radar system, and the mental ability of the subjects, wherein a subject would focus on a particular point in time and with the power of the radar equipment, a wormhole would manifest somewhere on the base. It has been reported that after these initial experiments got underway, a huge underground facility was set up that spanned from the base itself, into the downtown district of Montauk. This underground is supposed to have had many levels, each becomming more vast and intricate than the previous one.

Once the time tunnel became a stabilized, predictable unit, various people were sent both backward, and forward through time. It has also been said that there was extensive extraterrestrial involvement in the Montauk Project which stemmed from a ship being sucked into the time tunnel, and appearing out at Montauk, presumably in the underground. Apparently, there had been some exchanges in technology between the aliens, and the group out at Montauk, thereby enabling them to continually upgrade the system.

There was also another aspect of the Montauk Project which was directly tied into the initial mind control project, and that was the reconditioning of the minds of young boys. These boys were usually abducted and brought out to the base where they underwent excrutiating periods of both physical, and mental torture in order to break their minds. Once the mind had been broken, the group involved with this area set about the task of restructuring it to suit their needs. Many of these boys then became sucked into the project by becomming active willing participants themselves. Supposedly, when these boys were abducted, they were taken into the eastern bunker where they were beaten to a point of near death. Some of them had their minds broken by the use of various awareness altering drugs-much like the BZ experiments used on U.S. soldiers in Vietnam, and, it has been theorized that those experiments were in some way related to these.

Apparently, according to the story, the entire project reached it's pinnacle when on August 12 , 1983, the time travel project at Montauk interlocked in hyperspace with the original Rainbow Project. The two projects had then suddenly become interdependant on one another wherein, it was no longer possible to terminate the project from either Camp Hero, or the USS Elderidge.

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 12:11 PM
I honestly suspect that a lot of that occult stuff may be disinfo.. but I am uncertain.. because I have seen some stuff that does seem to tie to the occult. But do they do that on purpose to obfuscate what they are doing?

Disinfo? It's been around since pre BC...

Let me guess... government time warp plant? :thumbs:

You're on to something bro.

alkemical
04-27-2011, 12:14 PM
I honestly suspect that a lot of that occult stuff may be disinfo.. but I am uncertain.. because I have seen some stuff that does seem to tie to the occult. But do they do that on purpose to obfuscate what they are doing?


Why or how would the occult stuff be disinfo?

Do you realize that Parsons did his BABALON in 1947 (march)?

SureShot
04-27-2011, 12:15 PM
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/thereverend316/Asvab.jpg

Disregard the circled part. That was for a "Marines are stupid" discussion where I responded with a perfect score on the military's intelligence test.

Look at the top... that's showing how I spent 5 years working on Military aircraft and their systems with a secret clearance. I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt we do not use anti-gravity... especially haven't had it functioning since the ****ing 80s.

Am I certain that Lockheed has and is experimenting with it? Sure. The government throws money at anything that could potentially get it an edge.

Aerospace is also a huge hobby of mine, but that's inconsequential.

Now, I got off course, so I'm sorry... What are your qualifications again?

Disinformation IMO

alkemical
04-27-2011, 12:16 PM
Disinfo? It's been around since pre BC...

Let me guess... government time warp plant? :thumbs:

You're on to something bro.


Shamans are CIA...

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 12:17 PM
Shamans are CIA...

Crowley was MI6

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 12:17 PM
What is your point? It uses Antigrav to allow it to fly nonstop in an overunity fashion. There may also be variants that use a full antigrav system,,, again.. you are just talking out of ignorance here


:rofl:


Hey, here's one for you: Whe a Helicopter autorotates it uses anti-antigravity.;D

You are a ****ing LOON-atic.

alkemical
04-27-2011, 12:17 PM
Crowley was MI6

that he was....that he was.

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 12:20 PM
:rofl:


Hey, here's one for you: Whe a Helicopter autorotates it uses anti-antigravity.;D

You are a ****ing LOON-atic.

"Irrefutable" proof of anti-gravity!



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TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 12:24 PM
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/thereverend316/Asvab.jpg

Disregard the circled part. That was for a "Marines are stupid" discussion where I responded with a perfect score on the military's intelligence test.

Look at the top... that's showing how I spent 5 years working on Military aircraft and their systems with a secret clearance. I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt we do not use anti-gravity... especially haven't had it functioning since the ****ing 80s.

Am I certain that Lockheed has and is experimenting with it? Sure. The government throws money at anything that could potentially get it an edge.

Aerospace is also a huge hobby of mine, but that's inconsequential.

Now, I got off course, so I'm sorry... What are your qualifications again?

You were an Avionics tech? Correct?

I have my degree from Embry-Riddle and was a "crash-test-dummy" for the US Army:~ohyah!:

That anti-gravity **** didn't work for me in Korea when I went down, nor did it work at Ft. Eustis when I put one down in the James river.

Wish I would have known about this science so I could have avoided severe back injury and two "broken wing awards".:~ohyah!:

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 12:25 PM
"Irrefutable" proof of anti-gravity!



<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/m_4oD-BltCY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>




:thanku:Yep, that's it! We've been duped all along! Left out in the cold- so to speak!

SureShot
04-27-2011, 12:27 PM
You were an Avionics tech? Correct?

I have my degree from Embry-Riddle and was a "crash-test-dummy" for the US Army:~ohyah!:

That anti-gravity **** didn't work for me in Korea when I went down, nor did it work at Ft. Eustis when I put one down in the James river.

Wish I would have known about this science so I could have avoided severe back injury and two "broken wing awards".:~ohyah!:



Prescott or Daytona?

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 12:30 PM
You were an Avionics tech? Correct?

I have my degree from Embry-Riddle and was a "crash-test-dummy" for the US Army:~ohyah!:

That anti-gravity **** didn't work for me in Korea when I went down, nor did it work at Ft. Eustis when I put one down in the James river.

Wish I would have known about this science so I could have avoided severe back injury and two "broken wing awards".:~ohyah!:

For a time I worked I level and ran audits on everything from Cobras and Hueys to Hornets and even C-5 and played with Ospreys (if we had anti gravity, sure as **** wouldve used it on that beast).

Also was 3D LAAD and the better part of a year as infantry with 2/5 and another good chunk of time as a marksmanship instructor and taught Green belt for MCMAP (Marine Corps Martial Arts Program).

I miss it, for sure.

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 12:30 PM
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/thereverend316/Asvab.jpg

Disregard the circled part. That was for a "Marines are stupid" discussion where I responded with a perfect score on the military's intelligence test.

Look at the top... that's showing how I spent 5 years working on Military aircraft and their systems with a secret clearance. I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt we do not use anti-gravity... especially haven't had it functioning since the ****ing 80s.

Am I certain that Lockheed has and is experimenting with it? Sure. The government throws money at anything that could potentially get it an edge.

Aerospace is also a huge hobby of mine, but that's inconsequential.

Now, I got off course, so I'm sorry... What are your qualifications again?

This is ridiculous.. for someone claiming to be so smart in one part of your post you make a ludicrous leap of "logic" in the next. Do you know during the Manhattan project the only people that knew about it were the president.. yet you seem to think YOU are aware of everything that is going on? It's one thing for me to say what I am convince is going on.. it's completely different to say you know what ISN'T going on.. how can you possibly support that claim?

It's fine for you to say I don't have emphatic proof.. I fully accept that.. but there is certainly plenty of evidence out there to serve as circumstantial evidence this could be going on. With our military's history of keeping things secret we KNOW black projects couldn't very well be going on we are unaware of that use tech that we could be using to improve society and our understanding of the natural world. That is really reason enough to demand more info.

Even have this as evidence of what is going on..

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message907287/pg1

Archer81
04-27-2011, 12:30 PM
http://tinyurl.com/3nrd2y


:Broncos:

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 12:32 PM
Prescott or Daytona?

Ramstein and then fininished online while serving in the military!

SureShot
04-27-2011, 12:32 PM
Ramstein and then fininished online while serving in the military!

Ahh I was at the Prescott campus.

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 12:33 PM
This is ridiculous.. for someone claiming to be so smart in one part of your post you make a ludicrous leap of "logic" in the next. Do you know during the Manhattan project the only people that knew about it were the president.. yet you seem to think YOU are aware of everything that is going on? It's one thing for me to say what I am convince is going on.. it's completely different to say you know what ISN'T going on.. how can you possibly support that claim?

It's fine for you to say I don't have emphatic proof.. I fully accept that.. but there is certainly plenty of evidence out there to serve as circumstantial evidence this could be going on. With our military's history of keeping things secret we KNOW black projects couldn't very well be going on we are unaware of that use tech that we could be using to improve society and our understanding of the natural world. That is really reason enough to demand more info.

Even have this as evidence of what is going on..

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message907287/pg1

The president made an atomic bomb by himself?

That's very impressive. No wonder Truman got re-elected!

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 12:33 PM
For a time I worked I level and ran audits on everything from Cobras and Hueys to Hornets and even C-5 and played with Ospreys (if we had anti gravity, sure as **** wouldve used it on that beast).

Also was 3D LAAD and the better part of a year as infantry with 2/5 and another good chunk of time as a marksmanship instructor and taught Green belt for MCMAP (Marine Corps Martial Arts Program).

I miss it, for sure.

We have already been through this and you had no argument.. don't you realize these companies would be putting their self out of business if they made this tech public knowledge.. you think they are going to make their self obsolete?

We would completely lose our technological edge because this tech doesn't require the engineering ability a Osprey requires.. that is why it is the holy grail...

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 12:34 PM
The president made an atomic bomb by himself?

That's very impressive. No wonder Truman got re-elected!

Wow.. you are really good at being obtuse.. lol.. fitting since you are burying your head in the sand...

OBF1
04-27-2011, 12:34 PM
I would not bet against a poster on the mane that has 8 legs and 3 arms, These facts have been proven true on the poster fomerly know as Clavi, now going by the moniker "Alkmical"

alkemical
04-27-2011, 12:37 PM
This is ridiculous.. for someone claiming to be so smart in one part of your post you make a ludicrous leap of "logic" in the next. Do you know during the Manhattan project the only people that knew about it were the president.. yet you seem to think YOU are aware of everything that is going on? It's one thing for me to say what I am convince is going on.. it's completely different to say you know what ISN'T going on.. how can you possibly support that claim?

It's fine for you to say I don't have emphatic proof.. I fully accept that.. but there is certainly plenty of evidence out there to serve as circumstantial evidence this could be going on. With our military's history of keeping things secret we KNOW black projects couldn't very well be going on we are unaware of that use tech that we could be using to improve society and our understanding of the natural world. That is really reason enough to demand more info.

Even have this as evidence of what is going on..

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message907287/pg1


See, you want to talk about the Manhattan project, but you didn't know that the Montauk project grew out of that test run.

They learned how to open dimensional portals (which is where the stargate theories really take hold), and have been able to move not even between time. Time doesn't exist in a linear fashion that you might perceive it as.

When you realize it's a holographic model, using the right doors - it's easy to move around gold, weapons, reptilians. UFO's are just a technology that we were granted access to by inter-dimensional beings. Aliens from another planet? That's not weird enough to be truth.

Archer81
04-27-2011, 12:38 PM
that is why it is the holy grail...


http://tinyurl.com/5u5zhvw


:Broncos:

alkemical
04-27-2011, 12:39 PM
I would not bet against a poster on the mane that has 8 legs and 3 arms, These facts have been proven true on the poster fomerly know as Clavi, now going by the moniker "Alkmical"

:poof:

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 12:39 PM
This is ridiculous.. for someone claiming to be so smart in one part of your post you make a ludicrous leap of "logic" in the next. Do you know during the Manhattan project the only people that knew about it were the president.. yet you seem to think YOU are aware of everything that is going on? It's one thing for me to say what I am convince is going on.. it's completely different to say you know what ISN'T going on.. how can you possibly support that claim?

It's fine for you to say I don't have emphatic proof.. I fully accept that.. but there is certainly plenty of evidence out there to serve as circumstantial evidence this could be going on. With our military's history of keeping things secret we KNOW black projects couldn't very well be going on we are unaware of that use tech that we could be using to improve society and our understanding of the natural world. That is really reason enough to demand more info.

Even have this as evidence of what is going on..

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message907287/pg1


There's a whole gaggle of lunatics on that site. WOW!

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 12:40 PM
We have already been through this and you had no argument.. don't you realize these companies would be putting their self out of business if they made this tech public knowledge.. you think they are going to make their self obsolete?

We would completely lose our technological edge because this tech doesn't require the engineering ability a Osprey requires.. that is why it is the holy grail...

According to you, they do.

Northrop made the B-2. Yet your claims are always about Lockheed... who was actually their primary COMPETITOR during the B-2 (Government funded both Northrop/Boeing and Lockheed/Rockwell teams with study contracts). Is Boeing involved in this super conspiracy too?

You see... NOTHING you say has an ANY basis in the actual reality.

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 12:40 PM
Ahh I was at the Prescott campus.


All I got was a ****ty piece of paper and the talent to crash Hueys!:~ohyah!:

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 12:43 PM
What is your point? It uses Antigrav to allow it to fly nonstop in an overunity fashion. There may also be variants that use a full antigrav system,,, again.. you are just talking out of ignorance here

Do you mind if I bring this back up?

How can you possibly try and say that when it actually needs aerial refueling on a regular basis?

SureShot
04-27-2011, 12:43 PM
All I got was a ****ty piece of paper and the talent to crash Hueys!:~ohyah!:

I was only there for a year until ROTC decided they didn't want to pay for my major.

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 12:45 PM
Do you mind if I bring this back up?

How can you possibly try and say that when it actually needs aerial refueling on a regular basis?

They just do that to fool the public and the crew!

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 12:47 PM
They just do that to fool the public and the crew!

CIA Disinfo!:

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Y0q8zLvDdwg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 01:12 PM
See, you want to talk about the Manhattan project, but you didn't know that the Montauk project grew out of that test run.

They learned how to open dimensional portals (which is where the stargate theories really take hold), and have been able to move not even between time. Time doesn't exist in a linear fashion that you might perceive it as.

When you realize it's a holographic model, using the right doors - it's easy to move around gold, weapons, reptilians. UFO's are just a technology that we were granted access to by inter-dimensional beings. Aliens from another planet? That's not weird enough to be truth.

John Lear's dad was saying teleportation was right around the corner when he said this about antigravity in the 50s, too.

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 01:12 PM
CIA Disinfo!:

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Y0q8zLvDdwg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


They use it to transport the aliens from the antigravity aircraft to the mothership!

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 01:13 PM
CIA Disinfo!:

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Y0q8zLvDdwg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

No.. they are just going to claim it doesn't need to be refueled.. what a brilliant strategy for hiding antigravity.. LOL

alkemical
04-27-2011, 01:14 PM
John Lear's dad was saying teleportation was right around the corner when he said this about antigravity in the 50s, too.

So back to the question you avoided:

How is the occult information considered disinfo?

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 01:17 PM
According to you, they do.

Northrop made the B-2. Yet your claims are always about Lockheed... who was actually their primary COMPETITOR during the B-2 (Government funded both Northrop/Boeing and Lockheed/Rockwell teams with study contracts). Is Boeing involved in this super conspiracy too?

You see... NOTHING you say has an ANY basis in the actual reality.

What does this have to do with anything? LOL

Yes Boeing is involved.. why do you think my dad saw what he did in Northern Washington state.. near the Canadian border... Boeing has plants all over the state and there are huge barren areas all over. Boeing also petitioned to make antigrav tech public as well.

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 01:20 PM
So back to the question you avoided:

How is the occult information considered disinfo?

Because there is a lot of Reptilian stuff and numerology involved in all of this.. do a search for Svali - illuminati informant.. also.. LRon Hubbard was claimed to believe he was the antichrist by his own son. And he just happened to work for the department of Naval intelligence at one time. So I think they might be tying all this stuff together to discredit all of it.

jhns
04-27-2011, 01:23 PM
Anti gravity tech = a power source with wings, or a rocket.

alkemical
04-27-2011, 01:24 PM
Because there is a lot of Reptilian stuff and numerology involved in all of this.. do a search for Svali - illuminati informant.. also.. LRon Hubbard was claimed to believe he was the antichrist by his own son. And he just happened to work for the department of Naval intelligence at one time. So I think they might be tying all this stuff together to discredit all of it.

Considering that Scientology purports it came from Aliens - I think that's all you need to know about the disinfo campaign.

L_Ron wasn't the antichrist - it was Parsons.

You haven't addressed how Crowley and Parsons contacted LAM - which looks an awful lot like greys. Well before Roswell.

Svali is a disinfo agent for the Illuminati just like alex jones.

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 01:34 PM
Do you have any more info on this? Post whatever you have and I will look into it.. give me a chance to absorb it and we can talk about it later.

Willynowei
04-27-2011, 01:44 PM
I think science and exploration are worthwhile topics, but this thread has devolved into mindless drivel. As Jay-z once said, "don't argue with fools, cause people from a distance can't tell who is who."

In a valiant effort to destroy the now nonsensical discourse, I present:

Kate Upton.
http://www.ouchnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/kate-upton-2.jpg

If you had to chose between her and saving the world from invading aliens, which would you choose?

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 01:54 PM
All truth goes through 3 phases..

1st it is ridiculed
2nd it is violently opposed
3rd it is accepted as self evident

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 01:55 PM
All truth goes through 3 phases..

1st it is ridiculed
2nd it is violently opposed
3rd it is accepted as self evident

#1 You're a lunatic
#2 You're a lunatic
#3 You're a lunatic

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 01:59 PM
No.. they are just going to claim it doesn't need to be refueled.. what a brilliant strategy for hiding antigravity.. LOL

Are you kidding or serious? This is beyond ridiculous...

What does this have to do with anything? LOL

Yes Boeing is involved.. why do you think my dad saw what he did in Northern Washington state.. near the Canadian border... Boeing has plants all over the state and there are huge barren areas all over. Boeing also petitioned to make antigrav tech public as well.

...because he didn't?

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 02:01 PM
Because there is a lot of Reptilian stuff and numerology involved in all of this.. do a search for Svali - illuminati informant.. also.. LRon Hubbard was claimed to believe he was the antichrist by his own son. And he just happened to work for the department of Naval intelligence at one time. So I think they might be tying all this stuff together to discredit all of it.

.........And it's official (as if it weren't already)

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 02:07 PM
Are you kidding or serious? This is beyond ridiculous...



...because he didn't?

Yeah... he is just going to lie to his family and kids.. lol

Not just an exaggeration.. but a complete and total lie... right.....

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 02:08 PM
Yeah... he is just going to lie to his family and kids.. lol

Not just an exaggeration.. but a complete and total lie... right.....

Right!

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 02:11 PM
Right!

And his lie just happens to tie in with a book that was written by arguably the most respected aviation journalist in the industry...

My dad sure is lucky...

And it just so happens that every major aircraft manufacturer was publicly working on antigravity research in the 50s.. and then immediately went completely silent about it.. all coincidence.. lol

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 02:12 PM
Yeah... he is just going to lie to his family and kids.. lol

Not just an exaggeration.. but a complete and total lie... right.....

How old are you?

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 02:19 PM
Are you kidding or serious? This is beyond ridiculous...



...because he didn't?

Dude.. you are just completely clueless how this thing works. It's isn't totally reduced in weight. It's like 8o or 90 percent. It uses it's engines as electrical generators.. only in certain modes is it running on over unity. They may even have different versions of them with different capabilities to make people believe it only has certain capabilities.. this really shouldn't be that difficult to understand.

If you read the LaViolette antigrav book you see that the B2 is made exactly to the specifications TTBrown had for his design of a electrogravitic craft. And this was documented in the 50s.

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 02:21 PM
Dude.. you are just completely clueless how this thing works. It's isn't totally reduced in weight. It's like 8o or 90 percent. It uses it's engines as electrical generators.. only in certain modes is it running on over unity. They may even have different versions of them with different capabilities to make people believe it only has certain capabilities.. this really shouldn't be that difficult to understand.

If you read the LaViolette antigrav book you see that the B2 is made exactly to the specifications TTBrown had for his design of a electrogravitic craft. And this was documented in the 50s.

How old are you?

^

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 02:30 PM
You're so smart you should know that... you know what our government is working on in secret. surely you should be able to figure out my age..

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 02:32 PM
You're so smart you should know that... you know what our government is working on in secret. surely you should be able to figure out my age..

Why won't you answer a simple question?

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 02:34 PM
Btw, if Boeing had anti gravity technology... why didn't they use it on their newest project the V-22 Osprey? A lot simpler of a solution than the complex tiltrotor system they had to employ to make it work?

It's been a TWENTY SEVEN BILLION dollar project and has cost 30 American lives.

Anti gravity would've been a no-brainer.

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/zZx-KyUACkQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Oh and I absolutely DID work on this bit of secret technology.

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 02:36 PM
Let me guess... 27 billion dollars and 30 lives worth of CIA disinfo?

LOL

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 02:41 PM
Btw, if Boeing had anti gravity technology... why didn't they use it on their newest project the V-22 Osprey? A lot simpler of a solution than the complex tiltrotor system they had to employ to make it work?

It's been a TWENTY SEVEN BILLION dollar project and has cost 30 American lives.

Anti gravity would've been a no-brainer.

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/zZx-KyUACkQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Oh and I absolutely DID work on this bit of secret technology.


Death trap!

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 02:42 PM
Let me guess... 27 billion dollars and 30 lives worth of CIA disinfo?

LOL

The people who died testing that POS were just being silenced!:rofl:

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 02:43 PM
Dude.. you are just completely clueless how this thing works. It's isn't totally reduced in weight. It's like 8o or 90 percent. It uses it's engines as electrical generators.. only in certain modes is it running on over unity. They may even have different versions of them with different capabilities to make people believe it only has certain capabilities.. this really shouldn't be that difficult to understand.

If you read the LaViolette antigrav book you see that the B2 is made exactly to the specifications TTBrown had for his design of a electrogravitic craft. And this was documented in the 50s.


****ing Loon!

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 02:45 PM
Dude... don't you get it yet?

If this tech gets out you can't just give out pieces.. people will have the WHOLE package.. this means free energy - cold fusion.. antimatter bombs.. AND who knows what else.. look at it from their perspective.. even if all the above stuff isn't completed yet.. the opposition could figure out things before you. This is why their initial reaction is to keep it secret until they know there isn't a threat or until they know they are in total control. At the very least i think they want o initiate the NWO new world order before this tech is released... and in the process they can manipulate the economy to prepare for this event.

What makes the US the US is the fact that ONE we can afford to make these type of high tech craft TWO that we have the advanced training to do it... and THREE we can even sell this tech to others.

IF you give away this knowledge then you lose your money maker - oil.. you lose your technological advantage because it is EASY to engineer if you know the theory and therefore we would have no edge at all.. it would be parity all over the world. We would lose control.

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 02:47 PM
The people who died testing that POS were just being silenced!:rofl:

People died? lol

Do you know how many people die just for oil and global dominance.. get real..

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 02:50 PM
Dude... don't you get it yet?

If this tech gets out you can't just give out pieces.. people will have the WHOLE package.. this means free energy - cold fusion.. antimatter bombs.. AND who knows what else.. look at it from their perspective.. even if all the above stuff isn't completed yet.. the opposition could figure out things before you. This is why their initial reaction is to keep it secret until they know there isn't a threat or until they know they are in total control. At the very least i think they want o initiate the NWO new world order before this tech is released... and in the process they can manipulate the economy in the process.

What makes the US the US is the fact that ONE we can afford to make these type of high tech craft TWO that we have the advanced training to do it... and THREE we can even sell this tech to others.

IF you give away this knowledge then you lose your money maker - oil.. you lose your technological advantage because it is EASY to engineer if you know the theory and therefore we would have no edge at all.. it would be parity all over the world. We would lose control.

No no, you said Boeing had the tech. That's how "your father saw it" (:rofl:)

Why didn't they use it then? The Osprey is, and has been, secret as ****. For the time it's spent in existence it GREATLY outweighs the financial investment in the B2 bomber per year.

So... if Boeing has the tech, why didn't they use it?

Simple question. Just waiting for an answer.

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 02:51 PM
Death trap!

Indeed. But I've never seen anything nearly as cool as the rotors flipping in mid air overhead. One of the more satisfying experiences in my life.

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 02:57 PM
No no, you said Boeing had the tech. That's how "your father saw it" (:rofl:)

Why didn't they use it then? The Osprey is, and has been, secret as ****. For the time it's spent in existence it GREATLY outweighs the financial investment in the B2 bomber per year.

So... if Boeing has the tech, why didn't they use it?

Simple question. Just waiting for an answer.

Because the government made it illegal.. it's a national security risk.. why isn't MKultra made public so the medical field and sciences could use this knowledge? Why did they destroy almost all the info relating to it when it was discovered they were experimenting on people.. because it's too dangerous to make public. With this tech you could make countless assassins and suicide bombers etc.

It's the same idea as antigrav.. they view it as far safer to keep it all secret rather than let Pandora out of the box...

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 02:58 PM
Indeed. But I've never seen anything nearly as cool as the rotors flipping in mid air overhead. One of the more satisfying experiences in my life.


I'll stick with my death traps of choice. UH-I, EH-1, AH-1

At least you have a chance in hell when the **** hits the fans (so to speak).

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 02:59 PM
Because the government made it illegal.. it's a national security risk.. why isn't MKultra made public so the medical field and sciences could use this knowledge? Why did they destroy almost all the info relating to it when it was discovered they were experimenting on people.. because it's too dangerous to make public. With this tech you could make countless assassins and suicide bombers etc.

It's the same idea as antigrav.. they view it as far safer to keep it all secret rather than let Pandora out of the box...


Thanks for the laughs. This has been the equivalent of being a fly on the wall of a looney bin!

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 03:01 PM
Because the government made it illegal.. it's a national security risk.. why isn't MKultra made public so the medical field and sciences could use this knowledge? Why did they destroy almost all the info relating to it when it was discovered they were experimenting on people.. because it's too dangerous to make public. With this tech you could make countless assassins and suicide bombers etc.

It's the same idea as antigrav.. they view it as far safer to keep it all secret rather than let Pandora out of the box...

Soooooooooo...

Why are there still B-2 bombers bro?

You make no sense. And never have.

U mad NASA is stylin on you?

http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2006/TM-2006-214390.pdf

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 03:02 PM
Thanks for the laughs. This has been the equivalent of being a fly on the wall of a looney bin!

I think he might be 15. Ready to take on the world. Thinks he knows everything and has a unique perspective that everyone else missed. Etc.

Either that, or he's a massive failure at life and this is a coping defense mechanism to escape that reality.

It's absolutely one of the two.

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 03:03 PM
Thanks for the laughs. This has been the equivalent of being a fly on the wall of a looney bin!

Do you not realize MKultra is real and works terrifyingly well?

Do you know that waterboarding is a method of implementing mind control? And that is what they do to suspected terrorists at Guantanamo? Why do you think that might be?

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 03:03 PM
I think he might be 15. Ready to take on the world. Thinks he knows everything and has a unique perspective that everyone else missed. Etc.

Either that, or he's a massive failure at life and this is a coping defense mechanism to escape that reality.

It's absolutely one of the two.

What's Nick Cook's excuse?

Punisher
04-27-2011, 03:07 PM
Any code breakers in here? This stuff gives me a headache.

http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/ufo/key_to_et_messages.pdf

Apparently the aliens are bronco fans and want the broncos to take Cutler in next year's draft, the message was going to Shanny but the NSA pick it up.

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 03:07 PM
Soooooooooo...

Why are there still B-2 bombers bro?

You make no sense. And never have.

U mad NASA is stylin on you?

http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2006/TM-2006-214390.pdf

This is the absolute silliest argument I have ever heard... this is like saying.. we have nukes.. why don't we use them all the time? LOL

Also.. there is a reason they chose the TTBrown method of antigrav for the B2.. it is the oldest antigrav tech and LEAST dangerous. It requires the most technical sophistication.. but if it was released widely it would spark the boom in antigrav research that started it all in the 50s.. this may be why they are using it now because they know many countries have gotten near this same point by now.

Or they know that by the time anyone could catch up from there they will have their NWO in place...

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 03:14 PM
This is the absolute silliest argument I have ever heard... this is like saying.. we have nukes.. why don't we use them all the time? LOL

Also.. there is a reason they chose the TTBrown method of antigrav for the B2.. it is the oldest antigrav tech and LEAST dangerous. It requires the most technical sophistication.. but if it was released widely it would spark the boom in antigrav research that started it all in the 50s.. this may be why they are using it now because they know many countries have gotten near this same point by now.

Or they know that by the time anyone could catch up from there they will have their NWO in place...

No... it's a question based off your "answer" to why they wouldn't use it in the Osprey if they had the technology. Remember?

Because the government made it illegal.. it's a national security risk.. why isn't MKultra made public so the medical field and sciences could use this knowledge? Why did they destroy almost all the info relating to it when it was discovered they were experimenting on people.. because it's too dangerous to make public. With this tech you could make countless assassins and suicide bombers etc.

It's the same idea as antigrav.. they view it as far safer to keep it all secret rather than let Pandora out of the box...

Of course you don't remember. You're delusional and mentally retarded.

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 03:39 PM
I think he might be 15. Ready to take on the world. Thinks he knows everything and has a unique perspective that everyone else missed. Etc.

Either that, or he's a massive failure at life and this is a coping defense mechanism to escape that reality.

It's absolutely one of the two.

1- I have a unique ability to see patterns at times..

2- I had a 1 in a billion thing happen with my Dad...

3- Time has allowed much of this info to go public

4- I did a ton of research..

5- I am a very open minded person which allowed me to consider possbilities others maybe wouldn't

6- I am not afraid to speak my mind - why I am here bothering trying to explain this to someone.. or trying to find a way to explain it.

Requiem
04-27-2011, 03:41 PM
MacGruder go crazy.

MacGruder
04-27-2011, 03:45 PM
MacGruder go crazy.

Yes, me and Nick cook, one of the most respected aviation journalists around, went crazy... what is crazy is that the general public would ignore what he is saying. The general population has been made crazy...

Requiem
04-27-2011, 03:48 PM
You've ate dog ****.

epicSocialism4tw
04-27-2011, 04:01 PM
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/thereverend316/Asvab.jpg

Disregard the circled part. That was for a "Marines are stupid" discussion where I responded with a perfect score on the military's intelligence test.

Look at the top... that's showing how I spent 5 years working on Military aircraft and their systems with a secret clearance. I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt we do not use anti-gravity... especially haven't had it functioning since the ****ing 80s.

Am I certain that Lockheed has and is experimenting with it? Sure. The government throws money at anything that could potentially get it an edge.

Aerospace is also a huge hobby of mine, but that's inconsequential.

Now, I got off course, so I'm sorry... What are your qualifications again?

:rofl:

http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/attachments/politics-religion-society/18194d1299034401-fetus-will-witness-ohio-aborton-gd20041103-002.jpg

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 04:06 PM
:rofl:

[IMG]http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/attachments/politics-religion-society/18194d1299034401-fetus-will-witness-ohio-aborton-gd20041103-002.jpg[IMG]

Good one, winner

http://orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=44403

epicSocialism4tw
04-27-2011, 04:24 PM
Good one, winner

http://orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=44403

Did you seriously post some scores (whether they're yours or not) on an internet forum? :rofl:

That's pathetic.

Are you that starved of self-esteem that you would do such a thing?

I have a good counselor you can talk to.

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 05:18 PM
Did you seriously post some scores (whether they're yours or not) on an internet forum? :rofl:

That's pathetic.

Are you that starved of self-esteem that you would do such a thing?

I have a good counselor you can talk to.

Nope. It was from about a year ago when broncofan7 claimed Army and Marines members were just "too stupid to join the Air Force" and I posted that to disprove it.

It had the information in it so I wasnt about to:

1. Submit for a new MOL password

2. Log in and screen shot

3. Crop a new photo

4. Upload it

Just so I wouldn't be concerned with what the biggest laughing stock douche bag on Orangemane.com thinks of me?

Yeah, no thanks. Just re-used the old photo.

epicSocialism4tw
04-27-2011, 05:22 PM
Nope. It was from about a year ago when broncofan7 claimed Army and Marines members were just "too stupid to join the Air Force" and I posted that to disprove it.

It had the information in it so I wasnt about to:

1. Submit for a new MOL password

2. Log in and screen shot

3. Crop a new photo

4. Upload it

Just so I wouldn't be concerned with what the biggest laughing stock douche bag on Orangemane.com thinks of me?

Yeah, no thanks. Just re-used the old photo.

What would Patrick Peterson think of your sniveling?

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 05:46 PM
What would Patrick Peterson think of your sniveling?

K

Meck77
04-27-2011, 05:47 PM
I do believe there is intelligent life out there. They've been smart enough to not contact us!

alkemical
04-27-2011, 05:49 PM
Do you have any more info on this? Post whatever you have and I will look into it.. give me a chance to absorb it and we can talk about it later.

i gave you a few links.

SureShot
04-27-2011, 05:51 PM
I am anxiously waiting the day when the llama makes another bold prediction that blows up in his face and he hides in shame for a couple of months.

TheReverend
04-27-2011, 05:56 PM
I am anxiously waiting the day when the llama makes another bold prediction that blows up in his face and he hides in shame for a couple of months.

...And only returns after ANOTHER name change

Rock Chalk
04-27-2011, 06:20 PM
Yeah.

My inner debate is basically:

If this is a training exercise or disinformation, why drag your feet on releasing the documents under National Security and have it take a lawsuit to become public?

If it's disinformation, why wouldn't it be leaked properly and be a big news headline?

Meh, whatever. I'm confident that we'll make enough advances in my lifetime to know for certain the answers to these questions and scientific evidence proving or disproving spiritual ideology.

Not sure you can prove or disprove spiritual ideology as it is, in its nature, adaptive to knowledge. Ideologies change, but spirituality is in essence, part of human nature.

You are right about one thing Rev, in your life time scientists will prove the exists of planets capable of supporting life and it is likely actually find life. Within 20 years, especially if the Terrestrial Planet Finder telescope is realized and launched in orbit around Jupiter, we will find planets like earth, with sustainable atmospheres and organic compounds, and ultimately, life.

It certainly exists out there. The building blocks of life have been found in comets, moons, asteroids all over our own solar system, it is likely they will be found in nearly all systems and in some systems with planets in the right place, there will be life.

Im less interested in UFOs and intelligent aliens and more interested in actually making the first true scientific discovery of life outside of this solar system. It will not destroy my spiritual ideology either. It only adds to the greatness of God IMO.

And a person's beliefs really should have no bearing on anyone else. So what if I believe in God and so what if orangeatheist doesnt. People force ideas on others all the time and they are not always religious based.

All you have to do is look at this forum, adn you will see people attempting to force their beliefs on the direction of this team down other people's throats. That too, is in human nature :)

TailgateNut
04-27-2011, 11:35 PM
Do you not realize MKultra is real and works terrifyingly well?

Do you know that waterboarding is a method of implementing mind control? And that is what they do to suspected terrorists at Guantanamo? Why do you think that might be?


Give up already. Slice your wrists or something. Do the world a favor.

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 08:14 AM
Give up already. Slice your wrists or something. Do the world a favor.

You're projecting....

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 08:23 AM
I'm projecting my failures into a delusional fantasy world....

Fixed your post bro!

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 09:01 AM
Fixed your post bro!

Now you are projecting..

LOL

This is fun!

Yes.. me and Nick cook are projecting.. it's you tools that have it all figured out. LOL

You already said you were offended because I dared to claim I know what is going on... but you work in the aviation industry so I can't possibly know more than you.. and you also tout your test taking ability.

"Failures" indeed...

Believe it or not there are some people that have abilities that you don't... shocking isn't it, mister insecurity...

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 09:05 AM
Now you are projecting..

LOL

This is fun!

Yes.. me and Nick cook are projecting.. it's you tools that have it all figured out. LOL

STILL waiting on that quote and pg # bro.

You already said you were offended because I dared to claim I know what is going on... but you work in the aviation industry so I can't possibly know more than you.. and you also tout your test taking ability.

I actually said to "ignore it" because it didn't apply to the conversation

"Failures" indeed...

Believe it or not there are some people that have abilities that you don't... shocking isn't it, mister insecurity...

I'm sure there are. People claiming that anti gravity is in the B2, the Russians found a time warp, etc certainly aren't among them.

And :rofl: @ "insecure"

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 09:36 AM
If you dig into that time warp story you will see that you can't make something like that up.. the details involved in how the story unfolded are too bizarre for someone to have fabricated. From the outside looking in I can see why no one would buy it.. I'm telling you though.. truth is stranger than fiction.. fiction is actually tame in comparison.

alkemical
04-28-2011, 09:39 AM
Let me know when you look at some of those links I gave you in previous posts.

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 09:52 AM
If you dig into that time warp story you will see that you can't make something like that up.. the details involved in how the story unfolded are too bizarre for someone to have fabricated. From the outside looking in I can see why no one would buy it.. I'm telling you though.. truth is stranger than fiction.. fiction is actually tame in comparison.

Bro, in the 1930s, the Nazi's sent an expeditionary party to the North pole.

There they found a time warp to the future. Many German's died in exploring the time warp, but some, accompanied by a team of scientists, survived and made it back to the present time.

THAT'S why the Nazi's were so much more technologically advanced than the rest of the world during WWII!

Don't you see it?

It makes perfect sense! Keep watching what is going on and you will see the patterns. When you look around you wil see everything come into focus...

1st it is ridiculed
2nd it is violently opposed
3rd it is accepted as self evident

---------------------------


See what I did there?

:thanku:

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 09:54 AM
^ Your shtick copied to a "T".

Used your patented lack of sources, ambiguous quotes and vague historical settings to create my own conspiracy theory!

...and honestly that one I just made is a lot more believable lol

alkemical
04-28-2011, 09:56 AM
Bro, in the 1930s, the Nazi's sent an expeditionary party to the North pole.

There they found a time warp to the future. Many German's died in exploring the time warp, but some, accompanied by a team of scientists, survived and made it back to the present time.

THAT'S why the Nazi's were so much more technologically advanced than the rest of the world during WWII!

Don't you see it?

It makes perfect sense! Keep watching what is going on and you will see the patterns. When you look around you wil see everything come into focus...

1st it is ridiculed
2nd it is violently opposed
3rd it is accepted as self evident

---------------------------


See what I did there?

:thanku:



Why do you think when I state "The Nazi's won, and the Germans lost" i'm not bull****ting you.

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 10:04 AM
^ Your shtick copied to a "T".

Used your patented lack of sources, ambiguous quotes and vague historical settings to create my own conspiracy theory!

...and honestly that one I just made is a lot more believable lol

No.. only to your uninformed self is that the same thing.. like I said.. if you saw how the story unfolded you would understand where I am coming from.. but to get there you would need the same kind of epiphany I had to put me on this whole journey.

My hope is that EVENTUALLY.. some day you will have your own epiphany.. and when you do you or others will begin digging deeper in these things I have shown you.

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 10:07 AM
No.. only to you uninformed self is that the same thing.. like I said.. if you saw how the story unfolded you would understand where I am coming from.. but to get there you would need the same kind of epiphany I had to put me on this whole journey.

My hope is that EVENTUALLY.. some day you will have your own epiphany.. and when you do you or others will begin digging deeper in these things I have shown you.

My hope is that EVENTUALLY.. some day you will have your own epiphany.. and when you do you will realize you're ****ing nuts and institutionalize yourself, or make steps to fix your issues before someone else gets harmed.

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 10:11 AM
My hope is that EVENTUALLY.. some day you will have your own epiphany.. and when you do you will realize you're ****ing nuts and institutionalize yourself, or make steps to fix your issues before someone else gets harmed.

You're projecting again...

You totally ignore Nick cook is saying the same kinds of things.. you have been conditioned to react this way.

We have all been made hyper critical of anything that sounds outlandish.. it's by design.

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 10:14 AM
You're projecting again...

You totally ignore Nick cook is saying the same kinds of things.. you have been conditioned to react this way.

We have all been made hyper critical of anything that sounds outlandish.. it's by design.

STILL WAITING ON A QUOTE AND PAGE NUMBER BRO

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 10:53 AM
stlll burying your head in the sand bro...

alkemical
04-28-2011, 10:54 AM
What book is this? Maybe i'll see if the library has a copy. I'd like to examine the information first hand.

macgruder - still waiting on you to review some of the links I gave you and would like your feedback. That way i'll know if you're really serious about having a discussion.

Regards...

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 10:55 AM
stlll burying your head in the sand bro...

STILL WAITING ON A QUOTE AND PAGE NUMBER BRO

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 11:02 AM
Why do you think Nick Cook wrote that book, Rev?

Alkemical, the book is The Hunt For Zero Point by Nick Cook

I also highly recommend Secrets Of Antigravity Propulsion by Paul LaViolette

Will try to get to those link Al. Sorry for the delay.

24champ
04-28-2011, 11:03 AM
STILL WAITING ON A QUOTE AND PAGE NUMBER BRO

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/9141/52986300.jpg

Rohirrim
04-28-2011, 11:04 AM
Speaking of life on other planets. There are tens of billions of suns just like ours in the Milky Way galaxy alone. Do the math. How many have planets circling them? How many are in the Goldilocks Zone? The existence of life elsewhere is a mathematical certainty.

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 11:04 AM
Why do you think Nick Cook wrote that book, Rev?

Alkemical, the book is The Hunt For Zero Point by Nick Cook

I also highly recommend Secrets Of Antigravity Propulsion by Paul LaViolette

Will try to get to those link Al. Sorry for the delay.

Because it's interesting and he spent almost an entire decade of his life researching it?

NOWHERE does it say it exists.

alkemical
04-28-2011, 11:05 AM
Speaking of life on other planets. There are tens of billions of suns just like ours in the Milky Way galaxy alone. Do the math. How many have planets circling them? How many are in the Goldilocks Zone? The existence of life elsewhere is a mathematical certainty.

Also, the way we "perceive" life. Why does it have to be carbon based? Why not light based, or something else?

alkemical
04-28-2011, 11:07 AM
Why do you think Nick Cook wrote that book, Rev?

Alkemical, the book is The Hunt For Zero Point by Nick Cook

I also highly recommend Secrets Of Antigravity Propulsion by Paul LaViolette

Will try to get to those link Al. Sorry for the delay.

I found Nick Cook's new site:

http://highfrontiers.com/

I am also downloading his interviews on c2c to hear what he's had to say since 2005.

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 11:11 AM
Because it's interesting and he spent almost an entire decade of his life researching it?

NOWHERE does it say it exists.

Why is it interesting?

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 11:12 AM
I found Nick Cook's new site:

http://highfrontiers.com/

I am also downloading his interviews on c2c to hear what he's had to say since 2005.

Would you listen to the 2005 interview and verify for me to the Rev that Nick Cook does confirm he believes antigrav crafts have flown?

alkemical
04-28-2011, 11:13 AM
Why is it interesting?



because it's not boring...?

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 11:13 AM
Why is it interesting?

Are you seriously asking why the subject of defying the ****ing law of gravity that humanity has been trying to do since they first saw a bird is interesting?

GTFO

alkemical
04-28-2011, 11:14 AM
Would you listen to the 2005 interview and verify for me to the Rev that Nick Cook does confirm he believes antigrav crafts have flown?

I'll let you know when i get a chance to listen to it. But "believing" they have flown, and having evidence or proof is two different things. Look man, i'm a fan of the unbelievable...so i'm going to go with what I can see/read and go from there first.

I'll also let you know in the book what he says too.

TailgateNut
04-28-2011, 11:14 AM
Would you listen to the 2005 interview and verify for me to the Rev that Nick Cook does confirm he believes antigrav crafts have flown?


:rofl:

Spider
04-28-2011, 11:17 AM
Do you mind if I bring this back up?

How can you possibly try and say that when it actually needs aerial refueling on a regular basis?

pffffffffffftt thats easy

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 11:17 AM
:rofl:

We are talking about one of the most respected aviation journalists in the world right now.. who has his finger on the pulse of the aviation industry.. and is privy to things he may not even be able to talk about.

The point is.. if he believes this.. why am I a nut to believe it.. and my dad actually SAW one.. up close and personal.. and it flew i n a way that is impossible by known technology.

And it was the same craft Bob Lazar and Billy Meier revealed...

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 11:19 AM
Are you seriously asking why the subject of defying the ****ing law of gravity that humanity has been trying to do since they first saw a bird is interesting?

GTFO

So why do you claim it is unlikely to have been developed?

Spider
04-28-2011, 11:20 AM
We are talking about one of the most respected aviation journalists in the world right now.. who has his finger on the pulse of the aviation industry.. and is privy to things he may not even be able to talk about.

The point is.. if he believes this.. why am I a nut to believe it.. and my dad actually SAW one.. up close and personal.. and it flew i n a way that is impossible by known technology.

And it was the same craft Bob Lazar and Billy Meier revealed...

I havent red this entire thread , dont really care to , but read enough to know you are bat **** crazy ..........time to knock it off and get some help

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 11:25 AM
I'll let you know when i get a chance to listen to it. But "believing" they have flown, and having evidence or proof is two different things. Look man, i'm a fan of the unbelievable...so i'm going to go with what I can see/read and go from there first.

I'll also let you know in the book what he says too.

But again.. we aren't talking about some guy off the street here.. we are talking about a guy who has researched this his whole career and knows the inner workings of these black projects..

He has also been pointing out very publicly the military has a massive disinfo campaign trying to make us think there are aliens..

do you realize the risk he took writing that book in his profession.. that alone is enough to show you something very strange is going on.. why is the very subject of antigravity considered ludicrous and why is our military not pursuing it? It makes no sense... add everything up and it should be a no brainer..

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 11:26 AM
I havent red this entire thread , dont really care to , but read enough to know you are bat **** crazy ..........time to knock it off and get some help

Me or Nick Cook?

Looks like we have a another projector...

Spider
04-28-2011, 11:27 AM
Me or Nick Cook?

pretty much the both of ya .......

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 11:29 AM
pretty much the both of ya .......

LOL I see you've given this a lot of thought.

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 11:43 AM
So why do you claim it is unlikely to have been developed?

Because it'd be used...

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 11:47 AM
Because it'd be used...

This is the fatal flaw in your thinking..

I did the same thing before I found some miracle information that made me realize I was wrong..

I thought there was no way this tech could be kept secret so long.

1. But is it really a secret?

2. I also never realized the implications of the tech.. the implications of the tech is really the big secret that has been kept.. the implications would completely rock the foundations of our way of life.. society as we know it would completely change from top to bottom.. as would the power structure of countries.

Spider
04-28-2011, 11:47 AM
LOL I see you've given this a lot of thought.

well ya know , I read somewhere that crazy is contagious , and being in the same thread with the likes of the rev , and u ....... just skim ;D

TailgateNut
04-28-2011, 11:49 AM
We are talking about one of the most respected aviation journalists in the world right now.. who has his finger on the pulse of the aviation industry.. and is privy to things he may not even be able to talk about.

The point is.. if he believes this.. why am I a nut to believe it.. and my dad actually SAW one.. up close and personal.. and it flew i n a way that is impossible by known technology.

And it was the same craft Bob Lazar and Billy Meier revealed...



The apple doesn't fall far from the tree!

TailgateNut
04-28-2011, 11:53 AM
This is the fatal flaw in your thinking..

I did the same thing before I found some miracle information that made me realize I was wrong..

I thought there was no way this tech could be kept secret so long.

1. But is it really a secret?

2. I also never realized the implications of the tech.. the implications of the tech is really the big secret that has been kept.. the implications would completely rock the foundations of our way of life.. society as we know it would completely change from top to bottom.. as would the power structure of countries.

You and the journalist who I would have to assume to have top secret clearances and access to top secret military and manufacturing sites.


You are so FOS it must be dribbling from your ears!

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 12:00 PM
You and the journalist who I would have to assume to have top secret clearances and access to top secret military and manufacturing sites.


You are so FOS it must be dribbling from your ears!

No.. it was what my dad told me combined with what Bob Lazar said and did...

If you look at what they both said in my experience they both confirmed each other.. but how it played out was a miracle. This is what allowed me to come to an epiphany that woke me up.

I then researched everything and went on a wild roller coaster ride of disinfo and real info...

Now after seeing all of it I feel I can see what is going on so clearly it is scary.. I still have a lot of questions unanswered but I can recognize things as they happen.

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 12:08 PM
This is the fatal flaw in your thinking..

I did the same thing before I found some miracle information that made me realize I was wrong..

I thought there was no way this tech could be kept secret so long.

1. But is it really a secret?

2. I also never realized the implications of the tech.. the implications of the tech is really the big secret that has been kept.. the implications would completely rock the foundations of our way of life.. society as we know it would completely change from top to bottom.. as would the power structure of countries.

..............but you claim it is used.

You say the B-2 uses it... which means it wouldve HAD to be completed long before the B-2's first flight in 1989... over 20 years ago.

But we can see jet streams when it flies. We can see how much effort they had to expend tampering with the aerodynamic design to screw with radars JUST to fit a refueling port at the top. We can see IN FLIGHT refuels.

...but you disregard that as public smoke screen. Even though it's all completely unnecessary.

Then we have newer aircraft where it isn't used and instead the government has poured 30 BILLION dollars into these INDIVIDUALLY projects (lord knows how much on the whole) other alternatives when it had the pre-existing technology for cheaper and more superior alternatives? Again... completely unnecessary?

Sorry, it doesn't exist.

Yet.

alkemical
04-28-2011, 12:12 PM
But again.. we aren't talking about some guy off the street here.. we are talking about a guy who has researched this his whole career and knows the inner workings of these black projects..

He has also been pointing out very publicly the military has a massive disinfo campaign trying to make us think there are aliens..

do you realize the risk he took writing that book in his profession.. that alone is enough to show you something very strange is going on.. why is the very subject of antigravity considered ludicrous and why is our military not pursuing it? It makes no sense... add everything up and it should be a no brainer..

For all:

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/interviews/int2002-09-05.htm

Here's an interview with Nick Cook.

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 12:22 PM
..............but you claim it is used.

You say the B-2 uses it... which means it wouldve HAD to be completed long before the B-2's first flight in 1989... over 20 years ago.

Dude. it was complete in the 50s! My dad saw what he did in the late 60s! The B2 is based on TTBorwn tech that was developed around the 50s. His system is a little unique because it can be used with a jet engine to power it. This is also why it isn't the most dangerous tech. It doesn't require more exotic power plants.. so if someone did get a hint to how it worked it wasn't so devastating. This is 50 year old tech. Which is why it is ok if this did leak.. by the time someone else caught up it's going to be too late. They have things on course to control the tech. That is what 9-11 was about.. and now 2012.. actually 2011...

But we can see jet streams when it flies. We can see how much effort they had to expend tampering with the aerodynamic design to screw with radars JUST to fit a refueling port at the top. We can see IN FLIGHT refuels.

...but you disregard that as public smoke screen. Even though it's all completely unnecessary.

Like I said.. I think there are different versions.. that is a way of hiding the system. There may be varying degrees for different levels of duties and with varying price tags.. and again.. this isn't necessarily a full antigrav system, The purpose of the tech is to make the range longer and increase the top speed beyond known capabilities of known tech.

Then we have newer aircraft where it isn't used and instead the government has poured 30 BILLION dollars into these INDIVIDUALLY projects (lord knows how much on the whole) other alternatives when it had the pre-existing technology for cheaper and more superior alternatives? Again... completely unnecessary?

Again.. you forget we would have NO money for any of this if our money makers are taken away -- oil etc. And what is the point of having a technological edge if ANYONE can make it.. again.. this tech is very easy to use.. the hard part is the brain power to develop the theory. It's like a nuke.. making the actual bomb isn't hard if you know the theory.. that is the hard part.

Sorry, it doesn't exist.

Yet.

Indications point to you being wrong more than right.. that is what Nick cook is trying to tell all of us...

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 12:26 PM
For all:

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/interviews/int2002-09-05.htm

Here's an interview with Nick Cook.

THANK YOU!

Nick Cook: I don't reach any definitive, Holy Grail conclusions about antigravity beyond the fact that there are people out there who are regularly practicing it. People have asked me, "Well, do you know that the U.S. Air Force and the U.S. military have this squirreled away somewhere and are developing hardware?" No, I don't. And I don't dress up The Hunt for Zero Point in that way. Where I do have evidence I present it. For example, I think the evidence of what the Germans were doing during the Second World War is overwhelming. But I don't make any bold claims for what the U.S. is doing, simply because I don't have the evidence for it. Also, I think my experience in covering aerospace programs has been beneficial, in that I'm able to extrapolate a little. And where I do extrapolate in the book, I make it clear that it is my own extrapolation.

---------------------------

Exactly what I've been saying! That I have no doubts they're trying, but nothing.

In fact, this next quote is the CLOSEST that comes to supporting your insane theory:

"For instance, based on what we know of black program activity in the States, based on what we know the black budget is worth, and based on what I know the U.S. Air Force is capable of in terms of turning vision into reality, I extrapolate that it is not unreasonable to think that they have taken antigravity technology, which has been around for fifty years, and put it to some use. "



Can we end this insane fantasy now?

alkemical
04-28-2011, 12:26 PM
For all:

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/interviews/int2002-09-05.htm

Here's an interview with Nick Cook.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/hunt_zeropoint.pdf

Here's the ebook for the hunt for zero point.

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 12:26 PM
Indications point to you being wrong more than right.. that is what Nick cook is trying to tell all of us...

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::r ofl:

alkemical
04-28-2011, 12:29 PM
I'm going to transfer the ebook to my portable device and when i have some time, i'll dig into a bit. I read the interview, and find it highly interesting.

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 12:30 PM
Dude.. this is confirmation! LOL

All truth goes through three phases

1st it is ridiculed
2nd it is violently opposed
3rd it is accepted as self evident

You just reached SELF EVIDENT.

Fin.

Exactly what I've been saying! That I have no doubts they're trying, but nothing.

In fact, this next quote is the CLOSEST that comes to supporting your insane theory:

"For instance, based on what we know of black program activity in the States, based on what we know the black budget is worth, and based on what I know the U.S. Air Force is capable of in terms of turning vision into reality, I extrapolate that it is not unreasonable to think that they have taken antigravity technology, which has been around for fifty years, and put it to some use.

broncosteven
04-28-2011, 12:45 PM
"NSA Document Admits ET Contact"
By Kevin W. Smith



On October 21, 2004, the NSA approved for release to the public a portion of their NSA Journal Vol. XIV No. 1. This is a report of a presentation given to the NSA by Dr. Howard Campaigne regarding the decoding of extraterrestrial messages that had been received “form outer space”. Apparently, these messages had actually been received via the Sputnik satellite, but no one had any idea how to decode them at the time.



At some time, unspecified in the document, Dr. Howard Campaigne and some other NSA super mathematicians in the crypto department had been given the task of decoding the messages. There were a total of 29 messages to be decoded—quite an undertaking.

It is curious, to say the least, that this document was cleared for release on October 21, 2004. Why was that? Because the NSA did not release it into public information until April 21, 2011. Though cleared for release, the NSA had been stonewalling it along with hundreds of other NSA documents about contact with UFOs and extraterrestrials until they lost the lawsuit brought by Peter Gersten, a lawyer from Arizona. When they well and truly lost, the judge’s order had to be carried out, and the documents had to be released.

Dr. Howard Campaigne's “Extraterrestrial Signals”

The document, as I stated, is Dr. Campaigne’s presentation to the NSA on the decoding of those messages. It was actually published by the NSA in their own internal NSA Journal. Yet, they were also forced to publish a list of search terms from FOIA requests for which they had found no NSA documents. In that list is “Extraterrestrial Signals”. The title of this document, which they published themselves is “Key To Extraterrestrial Messages”.

Quite obviously, they conveniently split hairs here in reporting they had no information about “Extraterrestrial Signals”. They knew for sure they had this document, and that it was about what was being requested in the FOIA request. They knew it, flaunted the technicality of wording, and continued to stonewall.

more here:

http://www.ufodigest.com/article/official-et-disclosure-nsa-document-admits-et-contact-kevin-w-smith

I know I am getting into this thread late but I thought Spuntnik I only had a radio Beacon and trailing antenna in order to triangulate positions on the Earth, nothing to receive any signals.

The USA 1st satelite Explorer was the 1st satelite to host actual scientific equipment.

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 12:46 PM
I'm going to transfer the ebook to my portable device and when i have some time, i'll dig into a bit. I read the interview, and find it highly interesting.

Thanks for the links Alkemical.

I hope you and others read this.. it's shocking and can be disturbing in some ways but it's worth it.. after reading the book this quote perfectly summed up how I felt..

PLAYBOY: Many of the professional critics of the Warren Commission appear to be prompted by political motives: Those on the left are anxious to prove Kennedy was murdered by a conspiracy within the establishment; and those on the right are eager to prove the assassination was an act of "the international Communist conspiracy." Where would you place yourself on the political spectrum --- right, left of center?

GARRISON: That's a question I've asked myself frequently, especially since this investigation started and I found myself in an incongruous and disillusioning battle with agencies of my own Government. I can't just sit down and add up my political beliefs like a mathematical sum, but I think, in balance, I'd turn up somewhere around the middle.

Over the years, I guess I've developed a somewhat conservative attitude --- in the traditional libertarian sense of conservatism, as opposed to the thumbscrew-and-rack conservatism of the paramilitary right --- particularly in regard to the importance of the individual as opposed to the state and the individual's own responsibilities to humanity. I don't think I've ever tried to formulate this into a coherent political philosophy, but at the root of my concern is the conviction that a human being is not a digit; he's not a digit in regard to the state and he's not a digit in the sense that he can ignore his fellow men and his obligations to society.

I was with the artillery supporting the division that took Dachau; I arrived there the day after it was taken, when bulldozers were making pyramids of human bodies outside the camp. What I saw there has haunted me ever since. Because the law is my profession, I've always wondered about the judges throughout Germany who sentenced men to jail for picking pockets at a time when their own government was jerking gold from the teeth of men murdered in gas chambers. I'm concerned about all of this because it isn't a
German phenomenon; it's a human phenomenon. It can happen here, because there has been no change and there has been no progress and there has been no increase of understanding on the part of men for their fellow man.

What worries me deeply, and I have seen it exemplified in this case, is that we in America are in great danger of slowly evolving into a proto-fascist state. It will be a different kind of fascist state from the one of the Germans evolved; theirs grew out of depression and promised bread and work, while ours, curiously enough, seems to be emerging from prosperity. But in the final analysis, it's based on power and on the inability to put human goals and human conscience above the dictates of the state. Its origins can be traced in the tremendous war machine we've built since 1945, the "military-industrial complex" that Eisenhower vainly warned us about, which now dominates every aspect of our life. The power of the states and Congress has gradually been abandoned to the Executive Department, because of war conditions; and we've seen the creation of an arrogant, swollen bureaucratic complex totally unfettered by the checks and balances of the Constitution.

In a very real and terrifying sense, our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon, with Congress reduced to a debating society. Of course, you can't spot this trend to fascism by casually looking around. You can't look for such familiar signs as the swastika, because they won't be there. We won't build Dachaus and Auschwitzes; the clever manipulation of the mass media is creating a concentration camp of the mind that promises to be far more effective in keeping the populace in line. We're not going to wake up one morning and suddenly find ourselves in gray uniforms goose-stepping off to work. But this isn't the test. The test is: What happens to the individual who dissents? In Nazi Germany, he was physically destroyed; here, the process is more subtle, but the end results can be the same.

I've learned enough about the machinations of the CIA in the past year to know that this is no longer the dreamworld America I once believed in. The imperatives of the population explosion, which almost inevitably will lessen our belief in the sanctity of the individual human life, combined with the awesome power of the CIA and the defense establishment, seem destined to seal the fate of the America I knew as a child and bring us into a new Orwellian world where the citizen exists for the state and where raw power justifies any and every immoral act. I've always had a kind of knee-jerk trust in my Government's basic integrity, whatever political blunders it may make. But I've come to realize that in Washington, deceiving and manipulating the public are viewed by some as the natural prerogatives of office. Huey Long once said, "Fascism will come to America in the name of anti-fascism." I'm afraid, based on my own experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security.

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 12:47 PM
I really didn't feel it was possible, but you're further gone than I expected...

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 01:09 PM
I really didn't feel it was possible, but you're further gone than I expected...

If you say it it must be true...

broncosteven
04-28-2011, 02:16 PM
For all:

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/interviews/int2002-09-05.htm

Here's an interview with Nick Cook.

I read the article and I don't understand the conspiracy around Hans Kammler. Kammler is listed in both books I have on Von Braun, "Dr. Space" and "The Rocket Team".

Actually the better book is "The Rocket Team" by F. Ordway and M. Sharpe I have the 2003 edition but the book was written in 1979. It has very detailed information about Kammler, his involvement in the death camps and his control of the V1-V2 programs (among others) at Peenemunda.

In the article Cook says Kammler "disappeared" or negotiated with either the USA or Soviets to disappear but it is documented in "The Rocket Team" that at the end of the war Hitler ordered him to use his unit to stop the advance of Russian troops in Czechoslovakia. Kammler was afraid of falling into the hands of the Russians (or the US for that matter) for fear of retaliation for his heanious war crimes that he had ordered his adjutant to shoot him should they be over run. Which ever story you believe Kammler left a corpse.

Fact is that it was Von Braun's idea to surrender to the US forces. He convinced Dornberger, his superior, to go along with this and with Dornberger forging documents they were able to get all the V2 hardware they could moved out of Penemunda and hid them in caves near Bavaria. Kammler was an ardent high ranking SS officer and he was not going to surrender to anyone any more than Goebbels was.

What actually forced Von Braun's hand to mobilize the material out of Peenemunda were 2 conflicting orders one from Kammler that Von Braun should move all equipment to Thuringian near Nordhausen the other from an Army commander to form volkssturm (people storm if my HS German is right) units and defend Pommeraina. Realizing that Von Braun and his team would be captured by the Soviets he convinced Dornberger to help him migrate his men and material to the Bavarian border where they waited for the advancing US forces in a semi abandoned resort hotel. It was Werner's brother who drove up to US MP's and told them that the rocket team would like to surrender and drove them up to the hotel.

The area that they were in was parcled out to be Soviet controlled so the USA denied existence of the team and had to move all the hardware out of the mines before the Soviets took control.

The book "The Rocket Team" is a facinating account of the German rocket programs, the German injustices done at Peenemunda, the surrender to US forces, the installment and integration of the Germans at White Sands along with the early days of US rocketry.

It is very odd that Cook had so much trouble finding anything out about Kammler considering accounts of his control of the V2 and other programs and last day's were documented in many biography's of Von Braun with "The Rocket Team providing the best and most comprehensive info from the rocketry viewpoint.

broncosteven
04-28-2011, 02:20 PM
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/hunt_zeropoint.pdf

Here's the ebook for the hunt for zero point.

I reserved the book from my local library.

TailgateNut
04-28-2011, 02:22 PM
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/hunt_zeropoint.pdf

Here's the ebook for the hunt for zero point.

I quote:

"But I don't make any bold claims for what the U.S. is doing, simply because I don't have the evidence for it"


As long as he has the attention of looney fuggers like McGruder he'll sell books

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 02:28 PM
I quote:

"But I don't make any bold claims for what the U.S. is doing, simply because I don't have the evidence for it"


As long as he has the attention of looney fuggers like McGruder he'll sell books

Scroll up. I linked that to him. He thinks "no evidence" means "accepted as self evident".

It's gotten even MORE absurd that I thought it could...

TailgateNut
04-28-2011, 02:31 PM
Scroll up. I linked that to him. He thinks "no evidence" means "accepted as self evident".

It's gotten even MORE absurd that I thought it could...


He must have ingested some of the "brown acid" at woodstock.;D

broncosteven
04-28-2011, 02:33 PM
I quote:

"But I don't make any bold claims for what the U.S. is doing, simply because I don't have the evidence for it"


As long as he has the attention of looney fuggers like McGruder he'll sell books

I don't doubt that the US military has advanced technology that the US people or the world have no knowledge of but I doubt is anything along the lines of "anti-gravity" devices.

I have been reading Ray Kurzweils works and I agree with him that technology advances at Exponential rather than Linear rates but even using his models we are still at least 100 or more years out from exploiting quantum mechanics for modes of transport.

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 02:35 PM
I quote:

"But I don't make any bold claims for what the U.S. is doing, simply because I don't have the evidence for it"


As long as he has the attention of looney fuggers like McGruder he'll sell books

Wow.. you take everything he said in that article and manage to crazily distill it to that and you say I am looney?

In a sense you are right though.. it is always considered looney to consider anything remotely outside of the current paradigm in humanity.

Which is why it took several years for the Wright brothers to get any attention for their first flying machine... and guess who turned the tide? The military. They were the first ones to recognize what the Wrights did.. surprise surprise...

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 02:36 PM
Scroll up. I linked that to him. He thinks "no evidence" means "accepted as self evident".

It's gotten even MORE absurd that I thought it could...

You've got reading down.. now you actually have to learn to think while you do it.. LOL

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 02:38 PM
It is very odd that Cook had so much trouble finding anything out about Kammler considering accounts of his control of the V2 and other programs and last day's were documented in many biography's of Von Braun with "The Rocket Team providing the best and most comprehensive info from the rocketry viewpoint.

He didn't say he couldn't find ANYTHING.. he said that the accounts of him were incredibly small relative to his importance in the Nazi hierarchy.. everything involving advanced Nazi tech was..

Those books sound interesting though.. I will try to find them.

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 02:42 PM
I don't doubt that the US military has advanced technology that the US people or the world have no knowledge of but I doubt is anything along the lines of "anti-gravity" devices.

I have been reading Ray Kurzweils works and I agree with him that technology advances at Exponential rather than Linear rates but even using his models we are still at least 100 or more years out from exploiting quantum mechanics for modes of transport.

^ THIS x 100

I would even say it's remotely possible we're hitting that stride NOW

But in the 80s?

GTFO

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 02:43 PM
^ THIS x 100

I would even say it's remotely possible we're hitting that stride NOW

But in the 80s?

GTFO

Why does the time make a difference? You are an idiot. lol

broncosteven
04-28-2011, 02:46 PM
^ THIS x 100

I would even say it's remotely possible we're hitting that stride NOW

But in the 80s?

GTFO

Or 40's?

jhns
04-28-2011, 02:47 PM
Did you ever stop to think that maybe we are the aliens?

TailgateNut
04-28-2011, 02:47 PM
Wow.. you take everything he said in that article and manage to crazily distill it to that and you say I am looney?

In a sense you are right though.. it is always considered looney to consider anything remotely outside of the current paradigm in humanity.

Which is why it took several years for the Wright brothers to get any attention for their first flying machine... and guess who turned the tide? The military. They were the first ones to recognize what the Wrights did.. surprise surprise...


Allow me to simplify it so your simpleton mind can comprehend what I am saying.

You are bat**** crazy and need to be locked up in a padded room. Go watch a few more episodes of Star Trek and I'm sure you'll have a few more crazy ass ****ing ideas to keep your mind occupied.

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 02:52 PM
Allow me to simplify it so your simpleton mind can comprehend what I am saying.

You are bat**** crazy and need to be locked up in a padded room. Go watch a few more episodes of Star Trek and I'm sure you'll have a few more crazy ass ****ing ideas to keep your mind occupied.

For instance, based on what we know of black program activity in the States, based on what we know the black budget is worth, and based on what I know the U.S. Air Force is capable of in terms of turning vision into reality, I extrapolate that it is not unreasonable to think that they have taken antigravity technology, which has been around for fifty years, and put it to some use.

Yes.. it's me that's crazy..

you're projecting again......

TheReverend
04-28-2011, 02:52 PM
Or 40's?

The foundation for a water tower was actually an experiment structure bro!

......even though 100 yards away there's an identical structure WITH a water tower on it.

MacGruder
04-28-2011, 02:56 PM
The foundation for a water tower was actually an experiment structure bro!

......even though 100 yards away there's an identical structure WITH a water tower on it.

The sheep are so easily led... Nick cook went to the site.. as have many. Historical pictures of the site during the war show there was never a water tower there.. and it had huge metal hooks on it that aren't used for a water tower.

mhgaffney
04-28-2011, 02:59 PM
I don't doubt that the US military has advanced technology that the US people or the world have no knowledge of but I doubt is anything along the lines of "anti-gravity" devices.

I have been reading Ray Kurzweils works and I agree with him that technology advances at Exponential rather than Linear rates but even using his models we are still at least 100 or more years out from exploiting quantum mechanics for modes of transport.

Sorry to disillusion you - but check out this 2008 book:

Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion: Tesla, UFOs, and Classified Aerospace Technology [Paperback]
Paul A. LaViolette Ph.D. (Author)

Reviews

“Kudos to Paul LaViolette for disclosing the important new science of electro-magneto-gravitic propulsion. For over fifty years, humanity has continued to use earth-destroying primitive fuels when an ocean of infinite energy teems all around us. It is time that the truth be known!”
(Steven M. Greer, M.D., author of Hidden Truth: Forbidden Knowledge )

“Paul LaViolette is one of the most interesting and innovative thinkers probing the limits and horizons of contemporary physics. In this book he takes up a challenge that many of us have thought about but could not document: the possibility of propulsion systems that practically defy gravity. His findings merit earnest consideration, debate, and discussion.”
(Ervin Laszlo, author of Science and the Akashic Field )

“Paul LaViolette’s investigations into this most mysterious of subjects are at once fascinating and prescient.”
(Nick Cook, author of The Hunt for Zero Point: Inside the Classified World of Antigravity Technology )

“One of the boldest and most exciting books on gravity control to be put forward in our times. Paul LaViolette is an outstanding scientist and the first to reverse engineer the B-2’s highly classified propulsion system.”
(Eugene Podkletnov, Ph.D., Professor of Chemistry, Tampere, Finland )

“Paul LaViolette has once again unearthed advanced knowledge that can change our lives. This is a landmark book to be read and discussed by anyone concerned about humanity’s options for the near future.”
(Jeane Manning, author of The Coming Energy Revolution: The Search for Free Energy )

"If you buy only one book on antigravity/electrogravity, this had better be the one! I have been a fan of Townsend Brown since the early eighties. This book showed me things I DID NOT know! . . . Secrets ARE revealed." (
T. Long, reviewer, July 2008 )

broncosteven
04-28-2011, 03:00 PM
Allow me to simplify it so your simpleton mind can comprehend what I am saying.

You are bat**** crazy and need to be locked up in a padded room. Go watch a few more episodes of Star Trek and I'm sure you'll have a few more crazy ass ****ing ideas to keep your mind occupied.

Roddenberry actually consulted with scientists rather than base the tech of Star Trek on Nazi conspiracy's.