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DrFate
04-26-2011, 09:09 AM
I ask this for the people who have an excellent grasp of defensive schemes.

Assumptions
We are moving to a 4-3
Dumerville plays one DE
Ayers plays one DE
Broncos draft Von Miller at #2

Question - where does he play?

If he plays DE, Ayers has to either move back to LB (or to the bench)
If he plays LB, how does he get a pass rush without blitzing every down (unless you drop Marcus Thomas into coverage or something)

How does Miller rush from the LB spot without sending 5 every play?

Thanks
Fate

SonOfLe-loLang
04-26-2011, 09:11 AM
Zone blitzing...A d-lineman will drop and i assume on 3rd downs, miller will play with his hand down since its not exactly ayers's forte.

DrFate
04-26-2011, 09:12 AM
Is Fox known for that kind of scheme?

RocBronc
04-26-2011, 09:12 AM
Also, on obvious passing downs you can slide Ayers inside to DT

SonOfLe-loLang
04-26-2011, 09:16 AM
Is Fox known for that kind of scheme?

The strong side LB is the pass rushing LB in Fox's system and Dennis Allen had some crazy blitzes while he was the Saints D-coordinator. If the Broncos draft Miller, expect those sorts of things. They arent gonna draft him just to be the traditional SAM.

Broncoman13
04-26-2011, 09:18 AM
Ayers will most likely move inside on some occasions. Miller from the LB position can also be moved around to blitz inside or outside. 3rd downs are the easy part if you draft Miller. It's 1st and 2nd down that I am wondering about.

BroncoMan4ever
04-26-2011, 09:20 AM
look at how the Ravens use Terrell Suggs. also, can you imagine the magnitude of awesomeness of how great it would be to see Doom and Miller on the same side of the LOS on passing downs. I would envision a **** ton of holding calls, sacks, and if Ayers shows his true ability now that he is back in his proper position it could be a very scary disruptive group of pass rushers, especially if we can get some talent in the middle of the line.

BroncoMan4ever
04-26-2011, 09:20 AM
Also, on obvious passing downs you can slide Ayers inside to DT

would you really want to have Ayers rushing from the interior?

Tombstone RJ
04-26-2011, 09:26 AM
I ask this for the people who have an excellent grasp of defensive schemes.

Assumptions
We are moving to a 4-3
Dumerville plays one DE
Ayers plays one DE
Broncos draft Von Miller at #2

Question - where does he play?

If he plays DE, Ayers has to either move back to LB (or to the bench)
If he plays LB, how does he get a pass rush without blitzing every down (unless you drop Marcus Thomas into coverage or something)

How does Miller rush from the LB spot without sending 5 every play?

Thanks
Fate

He plays strong side LBer. The you go with the ZONE BLITZZZZ!!!

DrFate
04-26-2011, 09:26 AM
... if Ayers shows his true ability now that he is back in his proper position ...

What do you consider his proper position? (relative to where he was utilized previously)

Tombstone RJ
04-26-2011, 09:39 AM
The strong side LB is the pass rushing LB in Fox's system and Dennis Allen had some crazy blitzes while he was the Saints D-coordinator. If the Broncos draft Miller, expect those sorts of things. They arent gonna draft him just to be the traditional SAM.

Yep, the more I think about the Broncos drafting Miller, the more I like it. The Broncos absolutely need to upgrade their talent along the defensive line but Miller provides an immediate impact player on the defense. I can see Allen doing some very creative zone blitz schemes with Miller where they keep him moving around.

The key is getting Doom healthy and back up to speed and igniting the fire underneath Ayers ass. Also, bringing back Thomas would be key, along with bringing in some rookie talent along the defensive line.

McDman
04-26-2011, 09:40 AM
Zone blitzing...A d-lineman will drop and i assume on 3rd downs, miller will play with his hand down since its not exactly ayers's forte.

How is it not his forte? That's his natural position.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-26-2011, 09:48 AM
How is it not his forte? That's his natural position.

Ayers has proven he can be disruptive in the backfield, but hes never been a sack artist. He only had 9 sacks TOTAL in college and we're well aware of his lack of sack productivity on the pro level.

lostknight
04-26-2011, 09:49 AM
Honestly, 4-3 may be the best thing that ever happened to Ayers. Focusing on just being strong-side contain is right up his ally. Then let doom unleash havoc on the other side.

A Miller/DJ and Woodyard or Mays combo up the middle seems really positive. We still need help at safety though.

lostknight
04-26-2011, 09:49 AM
Ayers has proven he can be disruptive in the backfield, but hes never been a sack artist. He only had 9 sacks TOTAL in college and we're well aware of his lack of sack productivity on the pro level.

But that's not completely why we drafted him. We drafted him to contain the run and be a anvil against Doom's hammer. In that role he should do remarkably well.

Honestly, as good as Doom is, he has always been weak at the run, especially in the LB corp. A move back to DE he would do well.

Tombstone RJ
04-26-2011, 09:58 AM
Honestly, 4-3 may be the best thing that ever happened to Ayers. Focusing on just being strong-side contain is right up his ally. Then let doom unleash havoc on the other side.

A Miller/DJ and Woodyard or Mays combo up the middle seems really positive. We still need help at safety though.

Adding Miller to an already good LBer corps makes it the deepest position on the defense. If the Broncos draft Miller then the LBer corps is very deep. I can see Miller coming in and the Broncos going with a 5-2 alignment with Woodyard and Williams being the 2 LBers behind the LOS (or even Mays).

Smiling Assassin27
04-26-2011, 10:09 AM
In the 4-3, he'd have to be SLB, no? He's not that big and has a ton of speed/can cover. He was a DE in the 4-3 at A&M, i believe, but he's small for that position in the NFL. He might be John Mobley with better speed and pass rush instincts.

jsco70
04-26-2011, 10:13 AM
He might be John Mobley with better speed and pass rush instincts.

That would work just fine!

epicSocialism4tw
04-26-2011, 10:25 AM
look at how the Ravens use Terrell Suggs. also, can you imagine the magnitude of awesomeness of how great it would be to see Doom and Miller on the same side of the LOS on passing downs. I would envision a **** ton of holding calls, sacks, and if Ayers shows his true ability now that he is back in his proper position it could be a very scary disruptive group of pass rushers, especially if we can get some talent in the middle of the line.

That kind of group could instantly boost the turnovers for the defense. Miller just makes too much sense for what the Broncos need for him to actually be selected. Not much this franchise has done over the past ten years has made much sense. Im not sure what I'll think if they actually do something that makes sense and take Miller.

Smiling Assassin27
04-26-2011, 10:25 AM
That would work just fine!

Yeah, Mobley was WLB til he made the switch when Romo left for Oakland and did a nice job. I wonder how Miller is against the run. The game I saw him play v LSU, he looked up to the challenge, just didn't have a lot of help on Ridley once Hodges (i think that was the other A&M LB) went down.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-26-2011, 10:35 AM
But that's not completely why we drafted him. We drafted him to contain the run and be a anvil against Doom's hammer. In that role he should do remarkably well.

Honestly, as good as Doom is, he has always been weak at the run, especially in the LB corp. A move back to DE he would do well.

Great, this has nothing to do with why i implied Miller replacing Ayers on 3rd down.

2KBack
04-26-2011, 10:44 AM
The versatility that Miller and Peterson allow for are why they are my top 2 picks.

I really think Doom, Ayers, and Miller would be each others best friends. Doom and Miller apear to have instinctive noses for the QB, and while Ayers doesn't quite close the sack deal, IMO he does seem to be pretty disruptive (and while probably improve with good coaching and another year of experience). I picture so many overwhelmed and confused blockers.

worm
04-26-2011, 10:53 AM
The strong side LB is the pass rushing LB in Fox's system and Dennis Allen had some crazy blitzes while he was the Saints D-coordinator. If the Broncos draft Miller, expect those sorts of things. They arent gonna draft him just to be the traditional SAM.


Dennis Allen wasn't the DC for the Saints. Greg Williams was responsible for the blitzes.

Hulamau
04-26-2011, 10:59 AM
Honestly, 4-3 may be the best thing that ever happened to Ayers. Focusing on just being strong-side contain is right up his ally. Then let doom unleash havoc on the other side.

A Miller/DJ and Woodyard or Mays combo up the middle seems really positive. We still need help at safety though.

Expect that to be addressed in FA...for now. And be a focus in next years draft.

*WARHORSE*
04-26-2011, 11:08 AM
Miller is also in the mold of the late great Derrick Thomas.

On passing downs, as stated, Miller can put his hand in the dirt at DE, Ayers goes inside, and Doom on the other side. We draft one of the disruptive DTs that will be there in round two as well, like Marvin Austin or the likes.

Ayers can play inside on passing downs, he actually showed good ability in doing this.

If we do end up getting a DT at number 2, then Carter out of UNC is a LBer with great ability and pass rushing versatility as well. He can do it all and is a baller.

Only thing that killed him was tearing his acl last year. But hes fully recovered now.

lostknight
04-26-2011, 11:09 AM
Expect that to be addressed in FA...for now. And be a focus in next years draft.

Honestly, I think it's time to actually develop that talent.

Beantown Bronco
04-26-2011, 11:17 AM
Honestly, I think it's time to actually develop that talent.

Not in this draft. Saying it sucks for safety talent is understating things.

LRtagger
04-26-2011, 11:30 AM
He would play SAM, just like Orakpo did under Zorn when he had 11 sacks and went to the PB his rookie season.

I think Orakpo put his hand down on passing downs as well. Miller fits that same mold.

epicSocialism4tw
04-26-2011, 11:44 AM
He would play SAM, just like Orakpo did under Zorn when he had 11 sacks and went to the PB his rookie season.

I think Orakpo put his hand down on passing downs as well. Miller fits that same mold.

And Miller is a better prospect than Orakpo coming out of college. Miller is better at Orakpo's forte: pass rushing. Miller's pass rushing ability is elite for his position. Miller also has the ability to defend RB's and TE's as well.

Miller is an outstanding prospect who could do a ton of different things in Denvers defense. Denver needs impact players like that who can change the way that teams fundamentally approach their gameplan.

Carmelo15
04-26-2011, 12:35 PM
Man reading this thread really gets me excited. Picturing what Von Miller could bring to the Broncos gets me amped. I think he and Peterson are both going to be dynamic, perennial pro bowl, franchise type players. It appears those are the two guys Denver is deciding between as well which I am ecstatic about. Dareus is good too, I wouldn't be mad at that selection. But EFX keeps reiterating they want a guy who can be a Bronco for the next 10-15 years. How many DT even last that long? This is our chance to get a franchise elite talent not fill an immediate need. The Broncos are thinking long term at #2 and that is the smart thing to do. Miller or Peterson will be a Bronco in two days and I am already giddy. If we try to trade down we need to stay in the top 5 and make sure we get one of these guys. Otherwise it's not even worth it. Call me crazy but I'd almost rather have A.J. Green than Dareus just because of how great he can be. It'd be great to have a B.J. Raji type DT. But I wouldn't pass up a Larry Fitzgerald type WR for him.