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KevinJames
04-25-2011, 01:06 PM
Say a situation came up where Dareus went 1 and we went with Peterson or Miller and Corey Liuget was still on the board at 24 or better yet 28.

Would you be willing to give up 36 and 67 to get back into the first round and take him.

2. CB Peterson or LB Miller
24/28. DT Corey Liuget
46. ILB Martez Wilson
6th
6th
7th

Rabb
04-25-2011, 01:10 PM
someone posed it for Fairley, my answer would still be no

we can get good value in the 2nd and not trade a thing

Hercules Rockefeller
04-25-2011, 01:13 PM
Absolutely not. There would be a 140 pick gap from 2B to their first pick in the 6h.

They're not in a position to be giving up picks.

McDman
04-25-2011, 01:20 PM
We need to acquire picks, not give them up.

Someone refresh my memory how we lost a bunch of our picks.

meangene
04-25-2011, 01:21 PM
NO! But, I would move back with #2A to add a pick.

TheReverend
04-25-2011, 01:27 PM
I'd definitely consider it. I think he's going to be a special kid and a phenomenal fit for what I THINK Fox and Allen's defense will look like.

That being said, we'd be in a good spot to potentially grab Carpenter in the 3rd and still get a talent like Austin in the 2nd.

I'd probably go with no, but damn it's tempting.

cutback
04-25-2011, 01:32 PM
We need to acquire picks, not give them up.

Someone refresh my memory how we lost a bunch of our picks.

Mcdaniels traded a 4th for maroney I believe.

oubronco
04-25-2011, 01:33 PM
No Taylor, Austin, or Paea will be there at 2a and it would be better to keep what picks we do have

SonOfLe-loLang
04-25-2011, 01:34 PM
I'd probably do it for Fairley. Though i dont want any part of Martez Wilson

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-25-2011, 01:35 PM
I like Liuget a lot, and if we had more picks to work with, I'd be interested. But this team has so many holes and so few draft picks as is... If we make any moves, I'm hoping for trades back to pick up more, not trades up to give up more.

I will be happy with Taylor, Austin or Paea in the second.

Hercules Rockefeller
04-25-2011, 01:37 PM
Someone refresh my memory how we lost a bunch of our picks.

No 4th- traded for Maroney and a 6th
No 5th- traded for 2 7ths (Syd and whoever the LB was that didn't even make the PS) last year
No natural 6th- traded to the Browns with Hillis for Quinn
No natural 7th- traded with Smith to the Lions

tsiguy96
04-25-2011, 01:42 PM
what about muhammad wilkinson?

NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock compares Temple DL Muhammad Wilkerson to former longtime Raven and Bronco Trevor Pryce.
Wilkerson has over 20 pounds on Pryce, but a similarly long wingspan (nearly 86 inches) and can play multiple positions, from "five technique" to three technique to defensive end, depending on formations. Pryce has 91 career sacks in 14 seasons. Wilkerson's scheme versatility, similar to the former 28th overall pick Pryce's, helps his chances of going in the first round.

just wondering if its worth moving back into round 1 to get another guy who can be impact instead of hoping the guy we take in 2 will be worth it.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2011, 01:55 PM
I would rather have Paea. We need some pacific islanders on this dang team.

NFLBRONCO
04-25-2011, 01:56 PM
I'd definitely consider it. I think he's going to be a special kid and a phenomenal fit for what I THINK Fox and Allen's defense will look like.

That being said, we'd be in a good spot to potentially grab Carpenter in the 3rd and still get a talent like Austin in the 2nd.

I'd probably go with no, but damn it's tempting.


Yep but, when they say they'd like 4 starters out of this draft adding picks is more likely.

BroncoInferno
04-25-2011, 01:57 PM
Not unless we had earlier traded back from #2 and had a couple of extra picks to work with.

phibacka31
04-25-2011, 02:02 PM
Ideally if we could trade down to 5 and still get PP and pick up 2nd and 3rd min than I would say yes to getting Luiget though I doubt he makes it out of the top 15

serious hops
04-25-2011, 02:05 PM
If we don't get Dareus at #2, I probably would. We've been so utterly bereft of talent at the position, and it's so strong this year-- I don't know when we're ever going to have a better chance to fix the problem. I want it done right this time. You obviously hate to give up the value, but in this particular year I can easily see #67 getting used to reach for some mediocre safety or linebacker prospect anyway. I'm not going to be a bit happy with this draft if we don't walk out with one of the top DT prospects. I don't have any objection to drafting a guy like Nevis, Ellis, or Jenkins in addition to a first round DT, but I'm not comfortable counting on one of them as our main upgrade to the DL. It'd be one thing if you could convince me we'd be able to get Austin and Paea with our two seconds, but I don't see it happening. Nor am I comfortable relying on yet more free agent re-treads. We've been down that road, many times-- we know where it goes.

CEH
04-25-2011, 02:07 PM
Denver is going to trade #36 but drop back to say DET at #44 and pick up a 4th rounder

TheReverend
04-25-2011, 02:08 PM
VERY wishful thinking, but Kirwan has Liuget going at 43 in his last mock :)

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81ebf6c2/article/defense-rules-early-in-a-look-at-the-first-two-rounds?module=HP_cp2

bronco0608
04-25-2011, 02:16 PM
No need! The Rev tells us that Corey Liuget, a top 15 prospect, is going to be there at 36. Why bother trading, when we can just sit and wait for him to fall into our laps.

Silly rabbits!

Hercules Rockefeller
04-25-2011, 02:20 PM
No need! The Rev tells us that Corey Liuget, a top 15 prospect, is going to be there at 36. Why bother trading, when we can just sit and wait for him to fall into our laps.

Silly rabbits!

Suh? Or are you just going to continue to run from that one?

TheReverend
04-25-2011, 02:20 PM
No need! The Rev tells us that Corey Liuget, a top 15 prospect, is going to be there at 36. Why bother trading, when we can just sit and wait for him to fall into our laps.

Silly rabbits!

Boy are you a one trick pony or what

Should I be flattered or get a restraining order?

Borks147
04-25-2011, 02:28 PM
Speaking of rabbits, what ever happened to Wabbit (the poster)?

DarkHorse
04-25-2011, 02:39 PM
No, it's too deep of a draft in the d-line to overpay for anything outside of 1b (my opinion) Dareus.


If we take Peterson you use the 2 #2's to solidify the line and possibly pick up a TE/RB or another d-lineman.

Don't throw picks away this year chasing any one guy.

BroncoMan4ever
04-25-2011, 02:39 PM
hell ****ing no!

and if we draft Peterson i am going to have to make a best buy run because i am going to throw something through my tv.

ICON
04-25-2011, 03:11 PM
Speaking of rabbits, what ever happened to Wabbit (the poster)?Have been asking myself the same thing his inside info was great mostly.

To the OP no way we need the picks.

illbroncsfn
04-25-2011, 03:17 PM
Yes, I do the above deal. Liuget is a stud- as a season ticket holder for Illini games Leshoure and Liuget would be great Broncos- pass on Martez Wilson...

bronco0608
04-25-2011, 03:38 PM
Suh? Or are you just going to continue to run from that one?

Yes, Suh sucked his first three years at Nebraska. He was terrible. You know it, I know it, and thats about it.

If Suh entered the draft after his third season at Nebraska, he would have been an undrafted free agent. Think about it.

At the same age, Marcell is the far superior prospect. This you cannot question.

I wonder what kind of stats Marcell would put up if he entered the draft after his fifth year in college like Suh? 20 sacks?!

TheReverend
04-25-2011, 03:40 PM
Yes, Suh sucked his first three years at Nebraska. He was terrible. You know it, I know it, and thats about it.

If Suh entered the draft after his third season at Nebraska, he would have been an undrafted free agent. Think about it.

At the same age, Marcell is the far superior prospect. This you cannot question.

I wonder what kind of stats Marcell would put up if he entered the draft after his fifth year in college like Suh? 20 sacks?!

Ha!

You are definitely the front runner in my OM buffoon of the year award, and that's even beating out conspiracy theorist MacGruder.

Congratulations and keep it up! Only 7 months to go!

bronco0608
04-25-2011, 03:41 PM
Ha!

You are definitely the front runner in my OM buffoon of the year award, and that's even beating out conspiracy theorist MacGruder.

Congratulations and keep it up! Only 7 months to go!

Should I be flattered? Do I need a restraining order?

Shoo shoo

Hercules Rockefeller
04-25-2011, 03:44 PM
Yes, Suh sucked his first three years at Nebraska. He was terrible. You know it, I know it, and thats about it.

If Suh entered the draft after his third season at Nebraska, he would have been an undrafted free agent. Think about it.

At the same age, Marcell is the far superior prospect. This you cannot question.

I wonder what kind of stats Marcell would put up if he entered the draft after his fifth year in college like Suh? 20 sacks?!

You know that wasn't my question, so try and spin some more.

How did Suh have recorded stats for 5 years? Clearly someone as smart as you knows the answer.

TheReverend
04-25-2011, 03:45 PM
Should I be flattered? Do I need a restraining order?

Shoo shoo

My favorite of your "takes" on Suh:

Suh had 32 tackles and four sacks his first three years COMBINED at Nebraska.

Say it aint so!

................I know you're stupid, but you can't read also?

Suh had 34 tackles in his 3rd year alone (matching Dareus' best collegiate season). 54 in his first three years combined.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=175300

Yep, 32 solo tackles. And how many sacks did Suh have? But let me guess, you had him as the number one player in the country back in 2006.

...and Dareus' best season saw only 20 solo tackles. Same as Suh's third season.

Honestly have you LOOKED into any of this stuff before you type it and sound increasingly dumb?

Honestly, you should just stop. This is almost as good as your Georgia vs LSU comments that were ass backwards.

Every time you try and say anything you're factually inaccurate and just flat out idiotic.

bronco0608
04-25-2011, 03:48 PM
You know that wasn't my question, so try and spin some more.

How did Suh have recorded stats for 5 years? Clearly someone as smart as you knows the answer.

Yes, Mr. Suh recorded stats for five years.

bronco0608
04-25-2011, 03:49 PM
My favorite of your "takes" on Suh:









Honestly, you should just stop. This is almost as good as your Georgia vs LSU comments that were ass backwards.

Every time you try and say anything you're factually inaccurate and just flat out idiotic.

So you are saying AJ Green didn't drop 99 yards on Peterson in their only college matchup?

Are you saying that Peterson didn't give up a 47 yard bomb to a scrub receiver in that game either?

Refute those two.

Hercules Rockefeller
04-25-2011, 03:56 PM
Yes, Mr. Suh recorded stats for five years.

Again, how is that possible when you only have 4 years of eligibility? Shouldn't that make you think for a second?

I know you know this answer, you're just being intellectually dishonest when screaming that Suh sucked for his first 3 seasons.

TheReverend
04-25-2011, 03:58 PM
So you are saying AJ Green didn't drop 99 yards on Peterson in their only college matchup?

Are you saying that Peterson didn't give up a 47 yard bomb to a scrub receiver in that game either?

Refute those two.

LOL

You JUST refuted it you buffoon!

Was Peterson locked up on AJ Green and gave up 99 yards to him, or was he on a "scrub receiver" to give up a 47 yard bomb?

Or are you going to go with "Peterson was the only DB and responsible for covering everyone simultaneously"?

bronco0608
04-25-2011, 04:04 PM
LOL

You JUST refuted it you buffoon!

Was Peterson locked up on AJ Green and gave up 99 yards to him, or was he on a "scrub receiver" to give up a 47 yard bomb?

Or are you going to go with "Peterson was the only DB and responsible for covering everyone simultaneously"?

Wow, Green played every single snap in that game?

Hilarious!

Refute it. Go ahead, tell us all what happened.

TheReverend
04-25-2011, 04:15 PM
Wow, Green played every single snap in that game?

Hilarious!

Refute it. Go ahead, tell us all what happened.

Why don't I just show you? :strong:

http://www.lsusports.net/mediaPortal/player.dbml?ATCLID=204806778&SPSID=27815&SPID=2164&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=5200&id=652083

Just about every snap of the game. As you can see, rarely is Peterson (a RCB at the time) anywhere NEAR Green.

Also, you can see on the 47 yard bomb you're talking about, it's a cover 2 and he's in a shallow flat and making a great read is almost able to get a tip in his jump. That's on the safety bro.

He also has an amazing goal line PD at 3:45

The only poor play I can see is the one following 3:45, he was playing run first and should've been there to stop the play. Of course, I don't know the play call so I can't say that definitively, but ya.

Once again, you're a ****ing fool.

:yayaya:

TheReverend
04-25-2011, 04:16 PM
Odds that bronco0608 runs and hides now that he's been once again smashed by facts?

I say 100:1

Thanks for playing, phaggot

Requiem
04-25-2011, 04:25 PM
Liuget is a top 15 player and people aren't willing to move up for him because we either don't have mid-rounders or they prefer worse players at our selections.

Brilliant.

Way to be, Maners.

SO SMART.

bronco0608
04-25-2011, 04:26 PM
Why don't I just show you?

http://www.lsusports.net/mediaPortal/player.dbml?ATCLID=204806778&SPSID=27815&SPID=2164&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=5200&id=652083

Just about every snap of the game.

So the answer is no. Good job, son. Next time, just answer the damn question.

As you can see, rarely is Peterson (a RCB at the time) anywhere NEAR Green.

On what, son? A highlight. Even you aren't that dumb, are you?

Also, you can see on the 47 yard bomb you're talking about, it's a cover 2 and he's in a shallow flat and making a great read is almost able to get a tip in his jump. That's on the safety bro.

I don't need your dumb ass telling me what coverage they were in or whose fault it was because you don't freaking know. Did you even play football? Keep trying though. Oh, and that was on Peterson. Thanks kid.

He also has an amazing goal line PD at 3:45

Was it amazing? And who in the **** asked you about that play. Stick to what I'm asking you, ok.

The only poor play I can see is the one following 3:45, he was playing run first and should've been there to stop the play. Of course, I don't know the play call so I can't say that definitively, but ya.

Psuedo-coach at it again. You try too hard.

Once again, you're a ****ing fool.

Thanks for playing! Hilarious!

:yayaya:

BroncoMan4ever
04-25-2011, 04:27 PM
Odds that bronco0608 runs and hides now that he's been once again smashed by facts?

I say 100:1

Thanks for playing, phaggot

getting crushed like this is exactly why i don't start **** when i am uniformed or misinformed.

side note, i will **** a brick if we get Peterson. not because i think he is a bad pick, because he is talented as any player that has come out in recent years, but he isn't the right pick for Denver

Requiem
04-25-2011, 04:29 PM
bronco0608, where is your draft board you pussy?

TheReverend
04-25-2011, 04:30 PM
http://www.lsusports.net/mediaPortal/player.dbml?ATCLID=204806778&SPSID=27815&SPID=2164&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=5200&id=652083



So the answer is no. Good job, son. Next time, just answer the damn question.



On what, son? A highlight. Even you aren't that dumb, are you?



I don't need your dumb ass telling me what coverage they were in or whose fault it was because you don't freaking know. Did you even play football? Keep trying though. Oh, and that was on Peterson. Thanks kid.



Was it amazing? And who in the **** asked you about that play. Stick to what I'm asking you, ok.



Psuedo-coach at it again. You try too hard.



Thanks for playing! Hilarious!

:yayaya:

You have to GOT to be ****ting me.

I linked to you to EIGHT ****ing minutes that has EVERY play you "asked" about and completely debunks everything you thought right in front of your ****ing face.

You've been owned... again... and can't admit it.

You're a sad, sad, "man" (term used loosely)

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/gtfo4.jpg

TheReverend
04-25-2011, 04:32 PM
FFS, I was even being CRITICAL of Peterson in that game by saying "he gave up that TD"

In all likelihood, I highly doubt covering a ****ing H-Back was his responsibility, so it's most likely a great reaction that he's even in the ****ing frame of that TD catch.

I am in COMPLETE disbelief over this jerk off bronco0608

Requiem
04-25-2011, 04:34 PM
That picture is LEGENDARY Rev.

BroncoMan4ever
04-25-2011, 04:34 PM
Liuget is a top 15 player and people aren't willing to move up for him because we either don't have mid-rounders or they prefer worse players at our selections.

Brilliant.

Way to be, Maners.

SO SMART.

we don't have that many picks in this draft and glaring deficiencies at 9 defensive spots, and RT, LG, and RB

is it truly in the best interest of the team to use 2 and more than likely 3 remaining middle round picks to move up for one guy?

i'm not saying Liuget isn't a stud, but to trade the few picks we have for him is nearing the level of Ditka trading an entire draft for Ricky Williams

i would feel much better getting potentially 3 starters in the 1st 2 rounds as opposed to 2

the only way i would feel better about trading for another 1st to get Liuget would be if we moved back from 2, and got Von Miller at like 5 as well as an additional 2nd rounder. then if we can pull something like sending a 2nd and 3rd to get back into the 1st for him, then i say do it.

but if we can't acquire another pick, i don't want the team to **** with what little amount of picks they have

bronco0608
04-25-2011, 04:34 PM
Odds that bronco0608 runs and hides now that he's been once again smashed by facts?

I say 100:1

Thanks for playing, phaggot

This coming from the pussy who won't even take a small bet. You know why? Because you are wrong. Every damn thing you have posted about the draft is wrong. And you know it. You know you have no idea what you are talking about it.

Bitch plays Madden for 10 years and thinks he knows something.

GTFO.

BroncoMan4ever
04-25-2011, 04:36 PM
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/gtfo4.jpg

this **** is epic

KevinJames
04-25-2011, 04:41 PM
People saying we can grab Austin in the 2nd don't even think twice about that hes going in the first, Seattle and Chicago are really big on this guy. I am gonna guess he won't be there for us.

Liuget could go top 15 but if he doesn't because lets say Fairley falls into the 10-15 spot I think it be smart to move up to the 20s and grab Liuget before Seattle or Chicago picks.

its not like we can't get more picks by trading some of next years away, John Elway and Xanders said the goal is they wanna get 4 really good players out of this years draft some how some way.

TheReverend
04-25-2011, 04:43 PM
This coming from the p***Y who won't even take a small bet. You know why? Because you are wrong. Every damn thing you have posted about the draft is wrong. And you know it. You know you have no idea what you are talking about it.

b**** plays Madden for 10 years and thinks he knows something.

GTFO.

Says the guy who has had EVERY single post completely smashed to smithereens for being completely void of facts. Everything you've said about Dareus was wrong. Everything you've said about Suh was wrong. Everything you've said about Peterson was wrong. Hell, HAT even smashed you on your "consensus top player in draft" bull**** statement.

You're a goddamn buffoon. Everyone is laughing at you so try and cling to my projection of Liuget AT THE START OF MARCH.

I could very well be wrong there... it only takes ONE GM to disagree, and I'd be surprised if there weren't a bunch that feel he's the guy in the first.

Here's Pat Kirwan's mock from 10 days AFTER mine. He's a former GM and a brilliant football guy. Is he "wrong about everything" because he has Liuget going at 43?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81ebf6c2/article/defense-rules-early-in-a-look-at-the-first-two-rounds?module=HP_cp2

Oh and here's my first round mock. I still don't have Liuget in the first round and I list why... AGAIN.

1. Carolina (2-14) - Cam Newton
2. Denver (4-12) - Patrick Peterson =D
3. Buffalo (4-12) - Marcell Dareus
4. Cincinnati (4-12) - AJ Green
5. Arizona (5-11) - Von Miller
6. Cleveland (5-11) - Robert Quinn Medicine Woman
7. San Francisco (6-10) - Blaine Gabbert
8. Tennessee (6-10) - Nick Fairley
9. Dallas (6-10) - Prince Akumura
10. Washington (6-10) - Julio Jones
11. Houston (6-10) - Cameron Jordan
12. Minnesota (6-10) - Tyron Smith
13. Detroit (6-10) - JJ Watt
14. St. Louis (7-9) - Bowers
15. Miami (7-9) - Ryan Kerrigan
16. Jacksonville (8-8) - Anthony Castonzo
17. New England (from Oakland 8-8) - Mark Ingram
18. San Diego (9-7) - Aldon Smith
19. New York Giants (10-6) - Gabe Camiri
20. Tampa Bay (10-6) - Adrian Clayborn
21. Kansas City (10-6) - Nate Solder
22. Indianapolis (10-6) - Mike Pouncey
23. Philadelphia (10-6) - Akeem Ayers (first big reach, imo)
24. New Orleans (11-5) - Jimmy Smith
25. Seattle (7-9) - Muhammed Wilkerson (has the size Pete Carroll wants)
26. Baltimore (12-4) - Cameron Heyward
27. Atlanta (13-3) - Torrey Smith
28. New England (14-2) - (probably trading out but...) Brandon Harris
29. Chicago (11-5) - Derek Sherrod
30. New York Jets - Justin Houston
31. Pittsburgh (12-4) - Aaron Williams
32. Green Bay (10-6) - Danny Watkins

^ Notable odd selections due to how I felt teams had need fits and view players:

-Wilkerson over Liuget to Seattle
-Philly's need for a talented OLB and Andy Reid's boner for them
-Torrey Smith to Atlanta due to how strongly Dimitroff views character and work ethic
-Fully expect NE to trade out of 28 and have Locker/Ponder selected in that slot


And finally, like Req (Jim Lahey) has been asking you for WEEKS...

Let's see your board, poser.

BroncoMan4ever
04-25-2011, 04:45 PM
People saying we can grab Austin in the 2nd don't even think twice about that hes going in the first, Seattle and Chicago are really big on this guy.

I heard a lot of people saying Austin is going in the first this week so I am gonna guess he won't be there for us.

Liuget could go top 15 but if he doesn't because lets say Fairley falls into the 10-15 spot I think it be smart to move up to the 20s and grab Liuget before Seattle or Chicago picks.

its not like we can't get more picks by trading some of next years away, John Elway and Xanders said the goal is they wanna get 4 really good players out of this years draft some how some way.

of the top DL talent, and with Liuget and Austin both rising in stock, I am betting on Paea or Taylor being available to us in the 2nd. hopefully it is Paea, especially if don't get Dareus in the 1st. although honestly i would be ecstatic if 2 of our 1st 3 picks addressed the DL. build a nice solid rotation

TheReverend
04-25-2011, 04:45 PM
People saying we can grab Austin in the 2nd don't even think twice about that hes going in the first, Seattle and Chicago are really big on this guy. I am gonna guess he won't be there for us.

Liuget could go top 15 but if he doesn't because lets say Fairley falls into the 10-15 spot I think it be smart to move up to the 20s and grab Liuget before Seattle or Chicago picks.

its not like we can't get more picks by trading some of next years away, John Elway and Xanders said the goal is they wanna get 4 really good players out of this years draft some how some way.

Agree, but I think Seattle goes after Wilkerson. The extra size is Carroll's style. I also think Chicago NEEDS to go OL if Solder, Camiri or Sherrod are on the board considering the train wreck they fielded last year.

KevinJames
04-25-2011, 04:46 PM
^ Yeah but Jerry Angelo is stubborn and mainly picks to improve the defense, there is a reason they are where they are on offense but I agree they really need to go OL.

St Louis - Bowers - I can't see that happening they really need a DT and WR more than DE, if Julio and Fairley are not there I would guess they go Liuget.

also Wilkerson will be a huge target for 3-4 teams as DE, so he could be gone before Seattle picks.

TheReverend
04-25-2011, 04:50 PM
^
St Louis - Bowers - I can't see that happening they really need a DT and WR more than DE, if Julio and Fairley are not there I would guess they go Liuget.

also Wilkerson will be a huge target for 3-4 teams as DE, so he could be gone before Seattle picks.

Possible. I felt that given Spags effective utilization of DE's and his prior experience with a lot of talented depth at the position that they'd take a shot on a guy that was contending for the #1 overall spot pre injury concern.

They also have a pretty strong pair of DTs. Fred Robbins is a REALLY good player and Gibson isn't too shabby himself.

Requiem
04-25-2011, 04:53 PM
we don't have that many picks in this draft and glaring deficiencies at 9 defensive spots, and RT, LG, and RB

is it truly in the best interest of the team to use 2 and more than likely 3 remaining middle round picks to move up for one guy?

i'm not saying Liuget isn't a stud, but to trade the few picks we have for him is nearing the level of Ditka trading an entire draft for Ricky Williams

i would feel much better getting potentially 3 starters in the 1st 2 rounds as opposed to 2

the only way i would feel better about trading for another 1st to get Liuget would be if we moved back from 2, and got Von Miller at like 5 as well as an additional 2nd rounder. then if we can pull something like sending a 2nd and 3rd to get back into the 1st for him, then i say do it.

but if we can't acquire another pick, i don't want the team to **** with what little amount of picks they have

We have seven picks, there are seven rounds.

We are just fine.

And yes, I'd rather Denver get a top fifteen talent than go for Austin (who didn't play last year) at #36 or any other guy who will be available there. I don't think Paea is going to be there quite honest.

#2 -- Peterson
#Trade Up -- Liuget
#46 -- Best defensive player, linebacker

That's amazing. The best secondary person in the draft, the second best DT in my eyes, and a linebacker.

It will go a long way in revamping our defense.

And yes, I'd rather move up than get an average DL prospect.

Quality over quantity, especially for this team.

I'd prefer not to trade up, but for Corey -- DUH.

TheReverend
04-25-2011, 04:56 PM
We have seven picks, there are seven rounds.

We are just fine.

And yes, I'd rather Denver get a top fifteen talent than go for Austin (who didn't play last year) at #36 or any other guy who will be available there. I don't think Paea is going to be there quite honest.

#2 -- Peterson
#Trade Up -- Liuget
#46 -- Best defensive player, linebacker

That's amazing. The best secondary person in the draft, the second best DT in my eyes, and a linebacker.

It will go a long way in revamping our defense.

And yes, I'd rather move up than get an average DL prospect.

Quality over quantity, especially for this team.

I'd prefer not to trade up, but for Corey -- DUH.

I'd boner.

Especially if we can be effective in FA, that's a pretty ideal situation.

Stillllllllllllllllll... every potential reach player that goes before their time (locker, ponder, ayers, taylor, CBs, and hopefully paea and more) can help push some of these guys right into our laps.

Going to be REAL exciting to see how this plays out in a few more days.

Requiem
04-25-2011, 04:58 PM
Yeah. I'd say our best scenario is to stand pat. I think we'll know by the middle of round one if we'll be interested in moving up.

If guys like Jordan, Watt and Kerrigan all go before #20, there is going to be a huge run eveywhere else on the DL and we will be screwed at #36, IMHO.

BroncoMan4ever
04-25-2011, 04:59 PM
Possible. I felt that given Spags effective utilization of DE's and his prior experience with a lot of talented depth at the position that they'd take a shot on a guy that was contending for the #1 overall spot pre injury concern.

They also have a pretty strong pair of DTs. Fred Robbins is a REALLY good player and Gibson isn't too shabby himself.

i still can't see Bowers falling that far. i know the knee is an issue, but 2 months ago he was seen almost as the surefire number 1. it was Bowers and then everyone else it seemed. i still think a team in the top 10 is going to jump on him.

TheReverend
04-25-2011, 05:01 PM
Yeah. I'd say our best scenario is to stand pat. I think we'll know by the middle of round one if we'll be interested in moving up.

If guys like Jordan, Watt and Kerrigan all go before #20, there is going to be a huge run eveywhere else on the DL and we will be screwed at #36, IMHO.

I agree. The longer pass rushers can stay on the board, the more teams in the second half are going to dive on them making our interior DL options more attractive at 36.

i still can't see Bowers falling that far. i know the knee is an issue, but 2 months ago he was seen almost as the surefire number 1. it was Bowers and then everyone else it seemed. i still think a team in the top 10 is going to jump on him.

Hopefully it's Tennessee. A free fall for Fairley will bump Liuget way down considering both are way more attractive to 43 teams than 34.

BroncoMan4ever
04-25-2011, 05:02 PM
We have seven picks, there are seven rounds.

We are just fine.

And yes, I'd rather Denver get a top fifteen talent than go for Austin (who didn't play last year) at #36 or any other guy who will be available there. I don't think Paea is going to be there quite honest.

#2 -- Peterson
#Trade Up -- Liuget
#46 -- Best defensive player, linebacker

That's amazing. The best secondary person in the draft, the second best DT in my eyes, and a linebacker.

It will go a long way in revamping our defense.

And yes, I'd rather move up than get an average DL prospect.

Quality over quantity, especially for this team.

I'd prefer not to trade up, but for Corey -- DUH.

true. quality over quantity is a better way to go for this team or basically any team. picking up random players because they play positions of need instead of getting good players who can help the team is what has this team in its current mess.

and with it seeming like every good DL in this draft shooting up the boards, the only ones I haven't heard anything about since the combine are Paea and Taylor. it's like they got lost in the shuffle, and if that happens it wouldn't besurprising to see Paea available to us at 36

Requiem
04-25-2011, 05:12 PM
This board will give you a better idea of value of prospects, where some teams have them ranked, etc.

Looks like Austin, Taylor, Liuget are 1C players (late first) and Paea is 2A (early second) -- so we could get lucky. But I'd only want Paea or Liuget.

TheReverend
04-25-2011, 05:16 PM
This board will give you a better idea of value of prospects, where some teams have them ranked, etc.

Looks like Austin, Taylor, Liuget are 1C players (late first) and Paea is 2A (early second) -- so we could get lucky. But I'd only want Paea or Liuget.

Liuget and Austin, imo.

I'm less high on Paea. Reminds me too much of Sopoaga.

Definitely hoping someone gets a boner on him because of his bench and that a 34 reaches for Taylor and helps push Wilkerson, Liuget and Austin down. And PLEASE give me a late first round run on QBs!

Requiem
04-25-2011, 05:18 PM
Sorry, I didn't even provide the link.
(http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/04/19/pfws-exclusive-draft-value-chart-6)

meangene
04-25-2011, 05:22 PM
No way Leguit lasts to the second. Austin or Taylor unlikely unless character issues cause teams to shy away. I think Paea will be there for us. I could see us passing on Paea, trading back with our 2A pick and grabbing someone like Bailey later in the 2nd.

TheReverend
04-25-2011, 05:25 PM
Sorry, I didn't even provide the link.
(http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/04/19/pfws-exclusive-draft-value-chart-6)

That's a pretty solid chart.

I see Houston and Cameron as first round locks though, and I hate where they have Ponder. Really good stuff though.

HILife
04-25-2011, 05:32 PM
We need to acquire picks, not give them up.

Someone refresh my memory how we lost a bunch of our picks.

Don't know.

http://cbssports.com/images/nfl/photogallery/Josh_McDaniels_Broncos_Video_Tape_Investigation.jp g

HILife
04-25-2011, 05:54 PM
this **** is epic

That is a great pic.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2011, 06:26 PM
of the top DL talent, and with Liuget and Austin both rising in stock, I am betting on Paea or Taylor being available to us in the 2nd. hopefully it is Paea, especially if don't get Dareus in the 1st. although honestly i would be ecstatic if 2 of our 1st 3 picks addressed the DL. build a nice solid rotation

You shouldnt bet on any of those guys being there in the 2nd, because the likelihood is that they'll all be long gone.

The Broncos run a gigantic risk at leaving the front 7 unaddressed if they do not choose a DT or LB at #2.

People keep talking like "Oh yeah, if we spend a luxury pick on a #2 CB at #2 in the draft, a DT will magically fall out of the sky in the second round who will address the gaping hole in the front 7". It just doesnt work that way.

If the Broncos neglect to inject SEVERAL picks, including the #2 overall, in the defensive front 7, this team will have the exact same horrible defense that it had last season.

That defense was the worst defense in the league and the worst run defense in the history of Denver Broncos football.

yes, it would be nice to have the luxury to take a kick returner/#2 CB in the draft. But the Broncos just dont have that luxury. Why dont they have that luxury? Because they have consistently overlooked the front 7 in the draft and it has left the cupboards bare. Einstein's definition of insanity was to continue repeating the same behavior and expecting different results. Some guys are wanting the Broncos to continue neglecting the front 7, and they think that some magic shiny CB is the answer. The Broncos have had THE magic shiny CB in the NFL over the past decade. What good has it done without a defensive line? Not a dadgum bit of good.

WolfpackGuy
04-25-2011, 06:35 PM
The Broncos have to be looking to trade down a bit and pick up some volume.

A damn solid DT should still be available if they stay in the top 10.

JCMElway
04-25-2011, 06:40 PM
We need to acquire picks, not give them up.



This.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2011, 06:43 PM
The Broncos have to be looking to trade down a bit and pick up some volume.

A damn solid DT should still be available if they stay in the top 10.

As much as I would like them to take Miller or Dareus, I think that what you mentioned here is probably the smartest thing to do.

mattob14
04-25-2011, 08:18 PM
We have seven picks, there are seven rounds.

We are just fine.

And yes, I'd rather Denver get a top fifteen talent than go for Austin (who didn't play last year) at #36 or any other guy who will be available there. I don't think Paea is going to be there quite honest.

#2 -- Peterson
#Trade Up -- Liuget
#46 -- Best defensive player, linebacker

That's amazing. The best secondary person in the draft, the second best DT in my eyes, and a linebacker.

It will go a long way in revamping our defense.

And yes, I'd rather move up than get an average DL prospect.

Quality over quantity, especially for this team.

I'd prefer not to trade up, but for Corey -- DUH.

This seems like an absolute no-brainer to me. If you can add two impact players to that D (plus a LB who should challenge for playing time, or even a starting spot), you do it. There's no way the team can fill all the holes in one off-season anyway, so grab impact talent where you can, and worry about filling in with quality depth later.

Dedhed
04-25-2011, 09:47 PM
No- This team needs help all over the place. Getting a guy like Luiget would be nice, but getting Paea and an LB or S prospect would go further towards solidifying this defense than just adding Corey.

NFLBRONCO
04-25-2011, 10:12 PM
My ideal draft adding a DT LB FS CB. This way all levels of D has youth added to it.

broncos-rock
04-25-2011, 11:04 PM
I see that Houston wants to move up to 2 for Miller.

Von Miller - LB - Player

The Houston Chronicle's John McClain expects the Texans to try to trade up for Von Miller or Patrick Peterson.
The Texans would have to get to No. 2 for Miller, and McClain suggests offering their first-, third-, and fourth-round picks plus Amobi Okoye. We suspect it still wouldn't be enough to move from No. 11 to 2. Peterson may be a more reasonable target, particularly if he's on the board at No. 5 or 6. If the Texans stay put, McClain has them taking Aldon Smith of Missouri.

No way I do this deal just throwing it out!

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2011, 11:09 PM
I see that Houston wants to move up to 2 for Miller.

Von Miller - LB - Player

The Houston Chronicle's John McClain expects the Texans to try to trade up for Von Miller or Patrick Peterson.
The Texans would have to get to No. 2 for Miller, and McClain suggests offering their first-, third-, and fourth-round picks plus Amobi Okoye. We suspect it still wouldn't be enough to move from No. 11 to 2. Peterson may be a more reasonable target, particularly if he's on the board at No. 5 or 6. If the Texans stay put, McClain has them taking Aldon Smith of Missouri.

No way I do this deal just throwing it out!

You start with #11, their #2 this year, #1 next year, #2 next year, and Amobi Okoye.

OBF1
04-26-2011, 12:55 AM
No Taylor, Austin, or Paea will be there at 2a and it would be better to keep what picks we do have

No way Taylor or Paea will be there.... I do not think Austin will be there myself either.

McDman
04-26-2011, 03:32 AM
You start with #11, their #2 this year, #1 next year, #2 next year, and Amobi Okoye.

That would be a fantastic deal.

BroncoInferno
04-26-2011, 05:55 AM
I see that Houston wants to move up to 2 for Miller.

Von Miller - LB - Player

The Houston Chronicle's John McClain expects the Texans to try to trade up for Von Miller or Patrick Peterson.
The Texans would have to get to No. 2 for Miller, and McClain suggests offering their first-, third-, and fourth-round picks plus Amobi Okoye. We suspect it still wouldn't be enough to move from No. 11 to 2. Peterson may be a more reasonable target, particularly if he's on the board at No. 5 or 6. If the Texans stay put, McClain has them taking Aldon Smith of Missouri.

No way I do this deal just throwing it out!

Can't trade players with no CBA, only picks. They'd have to give up the farm to get us to drop down that far.

EDIT: I was thinking about this the other day...I wonder if teams could make trades that include "future considerations," with the understanding that it will be a specific player sent over once the new CBA is in place?

HAT
04-26-2011, 06:50 AM
hell ****ing no!

and if we draft Peterson i am going to have to make a best buy run because i am going to throw something through my tv.

Post pics.

BroncoMan4ever
04-26-2011, 07:03 AM
As much as I would like them to take Miller or Dareus, I think that what you mentioned here is probably the smartest thing to do.

as much higher on Dareus as i am compared with Fairley, if we were capable of dropping back a few slots and pick up an additonal 2nd and maybe a 3rd as well, i would be all for bringing in Fairley as a disruptive up the gut DT

use our 2nd and 3rd rounders on possibly getting another DT that maybe slides to the 2nd, and the LB position. would love to see us come out of the draft with Mason Foster and Quan Studivarnt or maybe KJ Wright

also, i am intrigued by Dontay Moch has the potential to be a damn good pass rushing LB, maybe a potential SAM for us.

BroncoMan4ever
04-26-2011, 07:05 AM
I see that Houston wants to move up to 2 for Miller.

Von Miller - LB - Player

The Houston Chronicle's John McClain expects the Texans to try to trade up for Von Miller or Patrick Peterson.
The Texans would have to get to No. 2 for Miller, and McClain suggests offering their first-, third-, and fourth-round picks plus Amobi Okoye. We suspect it still wouldn't be enough to move from No. 11 to 2. Peterson may be a more reasonable target, particularly if he's on the board at No. 5 or 6. If the Texans stay put, McClain has them taking Aldon Smith of Missouri.

No way I do this deal just throwing it out!

if we can get their 1st and 2nd this year, and 1st and 2nd next year plus Okoye, i do that deal in a heartbeat.

Requiem
04-26-2011, 07:05 AM
Fox probably loves Moch. Enjoys those hybrid, undersized, but quick and athletic tweener types. Hence him giving up the house for Everette Brown. He will go higher than what his grade indicates. I have a feeling him or Sheard will be a pass rusher we go after. I really like them both, but they are still raw and inconsistent. Don't know if you can draft those types of players higher than 50.

BroncoInferno
04-26-2011, 07:07 AM
Fox probably loves Moch. Enjoys those hybrid, undersized, but quick and athletic tweener types. Hence him giving up the house for Everette Brown.

Yeah, if we don't take Miller, I'm thinking he might be our pick at 2b.

WolfpackGuy
04-26-2011, 07:36 AM
I see that Houston wants to move up to 2 for Miller.

Von Miller - LB - Player

The Houston Chronicle's John McClain expects the Texans to try to trade up for Von Miller or Patrick Peterson.
The Texans would have to get to No. 2 for Miller, and McClain suggests offering their first-, third-, and fourth-round picks plus Amobi Okoye. We suspect it still wouldn't be enough to move from No. 11 to 2. Peterson may be a more reasonable target, particularly if he's on the board at No. 5 or 6. If the Texans stay put, McClain has them taking Aldon Smith of Missouri.

No way I do this deal just throwing it out!

Replace Okoye with a high pick due to the CBA, but where do I sign?

The Broncos would still have plenty of ammo to sneak back into the top 10 with that deal.

TheReverend
04-26-2011, 07:51 AM
Lol Okoye.

Another "can't miss" DT prospect.

BroncoInferno
04-26-2011, 07:55 AM
Lol Okoye.

Another "can't miss" DT prospect.

Okoye's been decent, though certainly not an impact player as expected. He's still only 23, so he could still improve. I'd be fine with taking him as a throw in, but certainly not as the certain piece to a deal. Anyway, with no CBA, the point is moot because players can't be traded.

HAT
04-26-2011, 08:00 AM
Okoye's been decent, though certainly not an impact player as expected. He's still only 23, so he could still improve. I'd be fine with taking him as a throw in, but certainly not as the certain piece to a deal. Anyway, with no CBA, the point is moot because players can't be traded.

Pretty sure that was rev's point.....AO was a reach in the top 10?

TheReverend
04-26-2011, 08:07 AM
Okoye's been decent, though certainly not an impact player as expected. He's still only 23, so he could still improve. I'd be fine with taking him as a throw in, but certainly not as the certain piece to a deal. Anyway, with no CBA, the point is moot because players can't be traded.

A top 10 "cant miss" DT is potentially being shopped at age 23 as a throw away part of the deal so Hou can potentially get in Peterson drafting range.

The irony of this and several posters surely isn't lost on you, no?

alkemical
04-26-2011, 08:11 AM
A top 10 "cant miss" DT is potentially being shopped at age 23 as a throw away part of the deal so Hou can potentially get in Peterson drafting range.

The irony of this and several posters surely isn't lost on you, no?

Can we have Jimmy Kennedy back?

:D

BroncoInferno
04-26-2011, 08:13 AM
A top 10 "cant miss" DT is potentially being shopped at age 23 as a throw away part of the deal so Hou can potentially get in Peterson drafting range.

The irony of this and several posters surely isn't lost on you, no?

Oh, definitely not. I get your point and agree with it. DT is a highly risky pick. I was just speaking in terms of the proposed deal mentioned above. Certainly they'd have to do FAR better than Okoye, a 3rd and a 4th.

HAT
04-26-2011, 08:40 AM
OP question.....No.

46 & 67.....Yes.

Carmelo15
04-26-2011, 10:11 AM
We could still make this move while keeping 4 picks in the top 67. A a trade of 36 and 46 to New England for 28 and 60 works out to within 20 points on the trade chart. We could also trade 46 and 67 for 28. We would either have 3 picks in the top 36, or I'm sure we could easily move down from 36 and pick another 3rd rounder back up.

But the best way the Broncos have to move up would be 36 and 67 to New England for 28 and 92. We move up make sure we get Liuget before the Bears get a chance to. The price is simply moving down in the 3rd round, well worth the 2nd best player in the draft IMO. I expect Denver to make a trade similar to this, although more likely for a guy like Derek Sherrod.