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epicSocialism4tw
04-24-2011, 03:42 PM
I thought that this was an interesting quote:

Q: How much is (offensive coordinator) Mike McCoy changing Josh McDaniels' offense?

A: It's going to be a similar offense, with a few tweaks here and there to utilize what I can do. I've got a good grasp on what we're doing. Before the lockout, I spent a lot of time with the coaches going through the playbook, and understanding what they want from me.


There are alot more excellent Tebow quotes here: http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_17917241?obref=obnetwork

Chris
04-24-2011, 03:43 PM
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Boobs McGee
04-24-2011, 03:47 PM
He knows it's Kyle's job to lose at the moment.

Boobs McGee
04-24-2011, 03:48 PM
I especially like this question/answer:

Q: John Elway has said you are raw as a quarterback and must become a better pocket passer. What's your response?
A: I haven't taken a snap in the offseason from the shotgun. It's all been under center, 5 and 7 (yard) drops and passes from the pocket. I've done that thousands of times, working out six-seven hours a day, seven days a week. There's a big, positive difference.


Atta boy Timmy!

BMarsh615
04-24-2011, 03:51 PM
Q: One of the (fired) members of the McDaniels organization told me you have an incredible will to win and made great strides last year, but he wondered if you did enough preparation away from Dove Valley.



hmmmmmmmm

RunSilentRunDeep
04-24-2011, 03:59 PM
hmmmmmmmm

My first reaction to that was if it's true Tebow was the first guy in and last one out, how much prep can a guy do? Most people would burn out pretty damn fast if they didn't have other interests or down time.

Hercules Rockefeller
04-24-2011, 04:01 PM
Doesn't mean he's the starter. I'm sure Quinn knows what they expect of him too.

Dedhed
04-24-2011, 04:08 PM
It could be reading too much into it, but I did take notice of that quote as well. If they're making changes to the playbook, it would appear Tebow is in their plans for the future.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-24-2011, 04:10 PM
Doesn't mean he's the starter. I'm sure Quinn knows what they expect of him too.

Stand there and look pretty?

That One Guy
04-24-2011, 04:28 PM
What does one do away from Dove Valley to prepare?

epicSocialism4tw
04-24-2011, 04:38 PM
Doesn't mean he's the starter. I'm sure Quinn knows what they expect of him too.

They arent changing the playbook for Quinn.

I boldened the above quote because it appears that the coaching staff 1) developed the playbook around Tebow to some extent, 2) got Tebow the book before the lockout, and 3) had a meeting with Tebow that included a discussion of the playbook.

In such a meeting, its reasonable to believe that they had a discussion with Tim about the kind of things they were going to say in public heading into the draft. But giving Tebow a playbook that is basically written for him so that he can work on it and/or organize workouts with offensive personnel without the coaching staff's oversight is pretty telling.

I have always believed that peoples actions spoke louder than their words, and the coaching staff meeting with Tebow with a Tebow-centric playbook speaks much louder than anything that Elway, Fox, or Xanders have said in public.

I tell you what...knowing that these guys are designing an offense around Tebow is pretty dang exciting.

Atwater His Ass
04-24-2011, 04:40 PM
Even if Tebow isn't the starter, they would still plan to use him in specialty situations, which would require changes to the playbook to facilitate.

Gutless Drunk
04-24-2011, 04:40 PM
"What does one do away from Dove Valley to prepare?"

Watch New England Patriot super bowl highlight videos. Over and over again.

OBF1
04-24-2011, 05:10 PM
Doesn't mean he's the starter. I'm sure Quinn knows what they expect of him too.

It also does not mean he will not be the starter. :approve:

frerottenextelway
04-24-2011, 05:42 PM
Of course Tebow is starting.

Hamrob
04-24-2011, 08:37 PM
I took a double take at that quoute as well...but, I'm not sure that they are actually writing the playbook around Tebow. They may be saying that...here is how we plan on utilizing your talents. We're going to create a more in depth Tebow Package...so, you need to work on these things.

Still doesn't really say that they are planning to hand the reigns over to Tebow...at least not the way I read it.

I hope they do...but, that specific qoute isn't tipping their hand (IMO).

BroncoMan4ever
04-24-2011, 10:28 PM
Doesn't mean he's the starter. I'm sure Quinn knows what they expect of him too.

yeah, his job description is don't do anything that is going to injure yourself and don't fall off the bench in case an emergency arises and you are needed.

Hercules Rockefeller
04-24-2011, 10:45 PM
They arent changing the playbook for Quinn.

I boldened the above quote because it appears that the coaching staff 1) developed the playbook around Tebow to some extent, 2) got Tebow the book before the lockout, and 3) had a meeting with Tebow that included a discussion of the playbook.

In such a meeting, its reasonable to believe that they had a discussion with Tim about the kind of things they were going to say in public heading into the draft. But giving Tebow a playbook that is basically written for him so that he can work on it and/or organize workouts with offensive personnel without the coaching staff's oversight is pretty telling.

I have always believed that peoples actions spoke louder than their words, and the coaching staff meeting with Tebow with a Tebow-centric playbook speaks much louder than anything that Elway, Fox, or Xanders have said in public.

I tell you what...knowing that these guys are designing an offense around Tebow is pretty dang exciting.

1. He's talking about plays, not a playbook. He flat out says it's pretty much the same playbook with a few tweaks. Don't talk about what you bolded, and then expand his quote and put your own spin on it. Tim at no point says that they're designing a Tebow-centric playbook.

2. I guarantee you every player on offense under contract has the playbook, so the fact that Tim has it shows the coaching staff isn't a bunch of idiots. Orton, Quinn, Moreno, Lloyd, Royal, etc. have the playbook too.

3. Again, everyone will have met with the coaches to understand what is expected of them if there was to be a lockout. There is going to be football again at some point. They knew most likely there would be no OTAs and a shortened training camp if there was football this year. They're not going to not give anyone a playbook or not meet with them, except for Tim, and then expect everyone to show up in mid-August and be able to digest everything in a couple weeks before the real games start.

4. You know who also tweaked their playbook for Tebow? Josh. Guess who the starter was? Kyle. They had certain plays designed for Tim that Kyle couldn't run that were put in during training camp, and looking back that clearly didn't mean Tim was going to be the starter going into the season.

5. Any coach that isn't an idiot is going to design plays that play to the strengths of their starting and non-starting personnel (ex: Ronnie Brown and Josh Cribbs in the Wildcat formation, Vick came in and ran designed plays at QB before Kolb got hurt and MV became the starter).

I fully expect Tim to start on Sept. 12th, but there is nothing in that quote that even begins to say what you're sitting here trying to tell us it says.

Hercules Rockefeller
04-24-2011, 10:46 PM
It also does not mean he will not be the starter. :approve:

Correct, and I expect Tim to be the starter, but there's nothing in there that even hints at Tim being the starter despite what Drama says.

epicSocialism4tw
04-24-2011, 10:51 PM
1. He's talking about plays, not a playbook. He flat out says it's pretty much the same playbook with a few tweaks. Don't talk about what you bolded, and then expand his quote and put your own spin on it. Tim at no point says that they're designing a Tebow-centric playbook.

The Broncos had already "tweaked" the playbook to include plays that took advantage of Tebows skills. You are essentially saying that they are doing the same thing this offseason, which Tebow wouldnt have mentioned because we already know that they have added Tebow plays. It wouldnt be worth mentioning.


4. You know who also tweaked their playbook for Tebow? Josh. Guess who the starter was? Kyle. They had certain plays designed for Tim that Kyle couldn't run that were put in during training camp, and looking back that clearly didn't mean Tim was going to be the starter going into the season

Now you're starting to get it. There's no reason for Tim to have mentioned that the playbook has been tweaked to further take advantage of Tebow's strengths if the Broncos were running out those same situational packages this time around.

5. Any coach that isn't an idiot is going to design plays that play to the strengths of their starting and non-starting personnel (ex: Ronnie Brown and Josh Cribbs in the Wildcat formation, Vick came in and ran designed plays at QB before Kolb got hurt and MV became the starter).

Thats not true at all. Many coaches around the league would consider playing two starting quarterbacks a distraction and an obstacle to continuity. You're just being too hyperbolic here. Peyton Hillis sat the bench in Denver. Schaub in Atlanta. Rogers in Green Bay.

You're just flat wrong, and not a thing you have said here is interesting at all.

Hogan11
04-24-2011, 11:01 PM
Stand there and look pretty?

T-shirt and power drink commercials

bronco militia
04-24-2011, 11:04 PM
it's april, why not

orton gets May

BroncoMan4ever
04-25-2011, 01:59 AM
1. He's talking about plays, not a playbook. He flat out says it's pretty much the same playbook with a few tweaks. Don't talk about what you bolded, and then expand his quote and put your own spin on it. Tim at no point says that they're designing a Tebow-centric playbook.

2. I guarantee you every player on offense under contract has the playbook, so the fact that Tim has it shows the coaching staff isn't a bunch of idiots. Orton, Quinn, Moreno, Lloyd, Royal, etc. have the playbook too.

3. Again, everyone will have met with the coaches to understand what is expected of them if there was to be a lockout. There is going to be football again at some point. They knew most likely there would be no OTAs and a shortened training camp if there was football this year. They're not going to not give anyone a playbook or not meet with them, except for Tim, and then expect everyone to show up in mid-August and be able to digest everything in a couple weeks before the real games start.

4. You know who also tweaked their playbook for Tebow? Josh. Guess who the starter was? Kyle. They had certain plays designed for Tim that Kyle couldn't run that were put in during training camp, and looking back that clearly didn't mean Tim was going to be the starter going into the season.

5. Any coach that isn't an idiot is going to design plays that play to the strengths of their starting and non-starting personnel (ex: Ronnie Brown and Josh Cribbs in the Wildcat formation, Vick came in and ran designed plays at QB before Kolb got hurt and MV became the starter).

I fully expect Tim to start on Sept. 12th, but there is nothing in that quote that even begins to say what you're sitting here trying to tell us it says.

agreed completely. this thread is just from looking far too closely at innocent comments.

but i do love the fact that he is working as hard as he is to get better at improving his all around game. it can be pretty much assumed that the majority of NFL players right now aren't working like he is, and that includes the current starting QB on our team.

elsid13
04-25-2011, 03:39 AM
We have new head coach is more run oriented and of course the OC is tweaking the playbook to install less spread plays and more traditional pro looks. It not always about Tebow.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2011, 01:50 PM
We have new head coach is more run oriented and of course the OC is tweaking the playbook to install less spread plays and more traditional pro looks. It not always about Tebow.

Except for when the coaching staff makes it about Tebow.

broncocalijohn
04-25-2011, 02:11 PM
I especially like this question/answer:

Q: John Elway has said you are raw as a quarterback and must become a better pocket passer. What's your response?
A: I haven't taken a snap in the offseason from the shotgun. It's all been under center, 5 and 7 (yard) drops and passes from the pocket. I've done that thousands of times, working out six-seven hours a day, seven days a week. There's a big, positive difference.
Atta boy Timmy!

Here is what I saw from Orton's response:
A: Tebow likes to work out a lot for being a back up. Me? I am growing out my beard again and letting it uncut, Grizzley Adams style. I work out when I wake up and go until lunch time which is normally 30 to 45 minutes later. Sometimes I get up too early, say 10:30 and that requires a little breakfast of some toast and mimosas. Let me say I am not a fan of seeing shadows on my back porch as it is waaaay too early when you partied until 2:00AM. Once lunch of brauts and some good German beer is consumed, I will normally wait until my third burb is done with before resuming practice. Plus, some great daytime shows on around then and hate to miss it. I will continue until one of my skanks rolls around my pad to do some extra curricular activities. When you are hungover, it is nice that she gets there no later than 2PM.
I've done that hundreds of times, working out two-three hours a day, four days a week. There's a big, positive difference.

Hercules Rockefeller
04-25-2011, 02:23 PM
Except for when the coaching staff makes it about Tebow.

Or when you want to make it more about Tebow than it really is.

And you're a pussy for the neg rep.

MacGruder
04-25-2011, 02:39 PM
My first reaction to that was if it's true Tebow was the first guy in and last one out, how much prep can a guy do? Most people would burn out pretty damn fast if they didn't have other interests or down time.

What I don't understand is why they didn't tell Tebow what he should do... if Tebow wasn't preparing well enough I can't imagine it was by his doing.. it was likely by Tebow not knowing how to prepare -- which is the coaches responsibility when you have a player so willing to prepare.

This is such a vague statement it is really hard to know what they are talking about, though.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-25-2011, 02:40 PM
Seems like EpicFAIL is making a major leap here based on very little information.

Or as I like to call it, "Monday."

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2011, 02:52 PM
Here is what I saw from Orton's response:
A: Tebow likes to work out a lot for being a back up. Me? I am growing out my beard again and letting it uncut, Grizzley Adams style. I work out when I wake up and go until lunch time which is normally 30 to 45 minutes later. Sometimes I get up too early, say 10:30 and that requires a little breakfast of some toast and mimosas. Let me say I am not a fan of seeing shadows on my back porch as it is waaaay too early when you partied until 2:00AM. Once lunch of brauts and some good German beer is consumed, I will normally wait until my third burb is done with before resuming practice. Plus, some great daytime shows on around then and hate to miss it. I will continue until one of my skanks rolls around my pad to do some extra curricular activities. When you are hungover, it is nice that she gets there no later than 2PM.
I've done that hundreds of times, working out two-three hours a day, four days a week. There's a big, positive difference.

LOL

Hercules Rockefeller
04-25-2011, 02:58 PM
Awwww, he gave me another one.

Apparently I'm whining now. Jesus, it's the Interwebz. The fact that you take things personally is hilarious. Grow some thicker skin p***Y.

Now it's just fun. Tell us all again how the Broncos had this super-special meeting with just TT and how the only person on the team that got a playbook to study was Tim.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2011, 03:05 PM
Awwww, he gave me another one.

Apparently I'm whining now. Jesus, it's the Interwebz. The fact that you take things personally is hilarious. Grow some thicker skin p***Y.

Now it's just fun. Tell us all again how the Broncos had this super-special meeting with just TT and how the only person on the team that got a playbook to study was Tim.

I sent you another neg rep. Ha!

Cry about it some more. :wave:

Hercules Rockefeller
04-25-2011, 03:06 PM
I sent you another neg rep. Ha!

Cry about it some more. :wave:

****. You're ruining my Interwebz street cred. Oh how will I ever survive?

Oooohhh, make sure you neg rep everyone else who called you out in this thread for reading too much into the statement by Tim too.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2011, 03:07 PM
****. You're ruining my Interwebz street cred. Oh how will I ever survive?

I dont care at all about that stuff.

It seems like you care a little too much.

Hercules Rockefeller
04-25-2011, 03:08 PM
I dont care at all about that stuff.

It seems like you care a little too much.

Of course you don't, that's why you're taking the time to do it.

Seriously, you gonna tell us about this super-special meeting that just Tim had with Fox and Co again?

Hercules Rockefeller
04-25-2011, 03:09 PM
What's hilarious is how butt-hurt you are over people calling you out for reading too much into Tim's statement. It's not like I'm the only one who said it.

broncocalijohn
04-25-2011, 03:27 PM
Doesn't mean he's the starter. I'm sure Quinn knows what they expect of him too.

All they ask is for him to keep his hands to himself.

Chris
04-25-2011, 03:29 PM
All they ask is for him to keep his hands to himself.

CALIJOHN.... GET OVER HERE!

http://static.sportressofblogitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/brady-quinn.jpg

scorpio
04-25-2011, 03:35 PM
oh DramaLlama. Please never change.

huh??
04-25-2011, 03:36 PM
CALIJOHN.... GET OVER HERE!

http://static.sportressofblogitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/brady-quinn.jpg

Oh......wow.:kiddingme

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2011, 04:25 PM
What's hilarious is how butt-hurt you are over people calling you out for reading too much into Tim's statement. It's not like I'm the only one who said it.

I was just kicking your bitter sentiment back at you. Lil' miss prissy all in a huff. Ha!

Hercules Rockefeller
04-25-2011, 04:42 PM
I was just kicking your bitter sentiment back at you. Lil' miss prissy all in a huff. Ha!

Yeah, my bitter sentiment. I wasn't the one in this thread reading waaaaaay too much into Tebow's quote and then getting pissy when others called me out on it.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2011, 04:48 PM
Yeah, my bitter sentiment. I wasn't the one in this thread reading waaaaaay too much into Tebow's quote and then getting pissy when others called me out on it.

I'm trying to talk football, and here comes little miss prissy letting the world know all about what its like to have PMS.

http://128.192.145.172/Images2/midol.gif

Hercules Rockefeller
04-25-2011, 04:53 PM
Christ dude, you are a butt hurt 5-year old over this whole thing.

I'll just delete all the my posts in here, and you can continue to pretend the team met with Tebow and Tebow only to tell him about this playbook that's centered around him.

Yeah, I did talk football. I pointed out that you read way too much into the Tebow quote because nothing was said in there that hinted he was the starter as much as you want to believe it.

Post the Midol formula, neg rep me, do whatever you want. The fact remains, you got called out for basically making **** up about the meaning of what Tim said.

It's the Interwebz, so normally I don't care, but damn I'm embarrassed for you at this point. Your continued posting is really starting to border on sad and desperate.

I'm just amazed you think my feelings could be hurt over something that's said over the Interwebz.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2011, 07:07 PM
Christ dude, you are a butt hurt 5-year old over this whole thing.

I'll just delete all the my posts in here, and you can continue to pretend the team met with Tebow and Tebow only to tell him about this playbook that's centered around him.

Yeah, I did talk football. I pointed out that you read way too much into the Tebow quote because nothing was said in there that hinted he was the starter as much as you want to believe it.

Post the Midol formula, neg rep me, do whatever you want. The fact remains, you got called out for basically making **** up about the meaning of what Tim said.

It's the Interwebz, so normally I don't care, but damn I'm embarrassed for you at this point. Your continued posting is really starting to border on sad and desperate.

I'm just amazed you think my feelings could be hurt over something that's said over the Interwebz.

Sack up, son.

HILife
04-25-2011, 07:15 PM
Stand there and look pretty?

You're asking alot. He should focus on siting down first.

Agamemnon
04-25-2011, 11:10 PM
I honestly don't think they know who the starter's going to be. I'm pretty sure though that they are well aware that Tebow has a very good chance of winning the job, so they would be stupid not to work with him as much as possible.

(Personally I'm terrified that Fox's conservatism is going to saddle us with Orton the Not-So-Great for a good part of another year...until reality sets in once again that is.)

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2011, 11:21 PM
I honestly don't think they know who the starter's going to be. I'm pretty sure though that they are well aware that Tebow has a very good chance of winning the job, so they would be stupid not to work with him as much as possible.

(Personally I'm terrified that Fox's conservatism is going to saddle us with Orton the Not-So-Great for a good part of another year...until reality sets in once again that is.)

That sounds like the most reasonable take to me.