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ICON
04-24-2011, 07:57 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-draft-bestandworst (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-draft-bestandworst)


DENVER BRONCOS

Best: S Steve Atwater, Arkansas, 1989

No, not John Elway, who actually was selected by Indianapolis and traded to Denver.

Eight-time Pro Bowl selection and two-time Super Bowl champion Atwater who was chosen 20th overall. Considered one of the hardest hitters in the NFL and one of the more versatile safeties. He also was a leader on defense on a team that featured Elway on offense.

Worst: DE Jarvis Moss(notes), Florida, 2007

Moss managed just 3 1/2 sacks in 3 1/2 seasons before the Broncos released him last year. Moss never succeeded as an end under Mike Shanahan in the 4-3 or at OLB under Josh McDaniels in the 3-4 defense.

HILife
04-24-2011, 08:56 AM
Worst pick - Only one? I'm sure there should be many many more.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2011, 09:02 AM
Moss was a bad pick to be sure, but Ted Gregory and Marcus Nash were FAR worse. At least Moss made a handful of plays.

Spider
04-24-2011, 09:08 AM
saw the title of this thread and thought DS49 ........

Spider
04-24-2011, 09:10 AM
Gumby was good no doubt , but the best 1 st round pick ?
as for the worst 1 st round pick = Mike Croel

BroncoInferno
04-24-2011, 09:31 AM
Gumby was good no doubt , but the best 1 st round pick ?
as for the worst 1 st round pick = Mike Croel

Croel had a promising rookie season with 10.5 sacks. Gregory and Nash did NOTHING.

driver
04-24-2011, 09:59 AM
Best.. Gradishar 1974
Worst Gregory, Did he even play a down for us? It's been so long I don't remember.

Spider
04-24-2011, 10:18 AM
Croel had a promising rookie season with 10.5 sacks. Gregory and Nash did NOTHING.

thats what makes it worse

Arkie
04-24-2011, 11:22 AM
A shocked Dan Reeves commented "I'm taller than he is" upon meeting Gregory after the draft. After the Gregory incident the Broncos began meeting with potential draft picks prior to the draft.

Mjolnir
04-24-2011, 11:29 AM
Tommy Maddox. Who drafts a QB when you've got a franchise QB in his prime?

gunns
04-24-2011, 11:39 AM
Moss was a bad pick to be sure, but Ted Gregory and Marcus Nash were FAR worse. At least Moss made a handful of plays.

These were 2 I thought of immediately along with Tommy Maddox and Alton Montgomery.

We actually had a lot of good 1st's back when...Atwater, Smith, Riley Odoms, Gradishar, Otis Armstrong, Louis Wright and my favorite Floyd Little

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-24-2011, 11:43 AM
Just a point of fact that the writer missed...

Our trade was with Baltimore, not Indy. Indianapolis did not have a team in 1983.

Cito Pelon
04-24-2011, 12:00 PM
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/draft.htm

For best 1st-rounders, obviously:

Floyd Little, HOF
Dennis Smith
Trevor Pryce
Louis Wright
Randy Gradishar
Riley Odoms
Chris Hinton (traded to Indy for Elway, stellar career)
Kermit Alexander
Merlin Olsen, HOF (heh-heh)

Denver also drafted (heh-heh):

Curley Culp
Hewritt Dixon
Paul Krause, HOF
Bob Hayes, HOF
Wally Hilgenberg
Dick Butkus, HOF
Randy Johnson
Jerry Jones

For 1st-round busts:

Previously noted Ted Gregory, Marcus Nash, and add:

Willie Middlebrooks
Ricky Nattiel
Bobby Anderson
Jerry Shay
Steve Shindler
Kelvin Clark

Some notable picks (2nd-round and below):

Marlin Briscoe (the first African-American QB to start an NFL game, had a good career, was a major contributor to the Dolphins' SB wins)
Billy Thompson (borderline HOF'r, 40 INT's, one of the best punt returners in NFL history)
Simon Fletcher (should he be in the HOF with 97.5 sacks? Major contributor to Denver's best teams)
Chris Hinton (traded to Indy for Elway, one of the best OT's ever)
Gary Kubiak
Rulon Jones (52.5 sacks)
Rubin Carter (NT with 24 sacks)
Mike Harden (38 INT's)
William Gay (44.5 sacks)
Rick Upchurch (still one of the top punt returners in NFL history and a major contributor to Denver's best teams)
Steve Foley (44 INT's, still the Broncos leading INT guy. Boy, Denver had some good safeties back in the day. Not so much anymore.)
Barney Chavous (DT with 23 sacks)
Tom Jackson
Lyle Blackwood (35 INT's)
Karl Mecklenburg (79 sacks, 5 INT's)
Vance Johnson (37 TD's)
Mark Jackson (29 TD's)
Tyrone Braxton (36 INT's)
Le-Lo Lang (5 INT's, heh-heh)
Terrell Davis
Tory James (39 INT's)
Brian Griese
Desmond Clark
Mike Anderson (42 TD's)
Deltha O'Neal (34 INT's)
Clinton Portis (80 TD's)
Jay Cutler (104 TD passes, 80 INT's)


Overall, the draft picks in the 2000's have been less impactful than those in previous decades.

The 2000's decade pretty much sucked, and there we are in this 2010 decade trying to rebuild. Eh, what the hell, I feel positive about the coming season.

gunns
04-24-2011, 12:51 PM
Denver also drafted (heh-heh):

Curley Culp
Hewritt Dixon
Paul Krause, HOF
Bob Hayes, HOF
Wally Hilgenberg
Dick Butkus, HOF
Randy Johnson
Jerry Jones



One not mentioned, Merlin Olsen, one of the fearsome foursome.

broncos-rock
04-24-2011, 01:10 PM
Tommy Maddox. Who drafts a QB when you've got a franchise QB in his prime?

I remember that draft everyone was talking about Carl Pickins(sp) wideout

Durango
04-24-2011, 01:42 PM
Best.. Gradishar 1974
Worst Gregory, Did he even play a down for us? It's been so long I don't remember.

Well, if you're going back that far, the best pick in the franchise history relative to his effect and stability of the franchise has to be Floyd Little. Ted Gregory absolutely is the worst, although the obscure choice of OT Kelvin Clark in 1979 still reeks 32 years later, or is that Marcus Nash?

Cito Pelon
04-24-2011, 01:55 PM
Denver used to have some dang good D players. Impact guys at all levels when Joe Collier was the DC.

errand
04-24-2011, 02:03 PM
Worst pick - Only one? I'm sure there should be many many more.

One pick that we missed out on was during the early 60's...we drafted Dick Butkus, but he went to play in the more established NFL....

errand
04-24-2011, 02:14 PM
Tommy Maddox. Who drafts a QB when you've got a franchise QB in his prime?

not sure, but didn't Mike draft Cutler when Jake was in his prime and had just led us to an AFC title game appearance...maybe you should ask him.

As far as the Maddox pick....everyone bitches about this without looking at it objectively. Everyone assumes Tommy was drafted to be john's immediate replacement, when that is nowhere near the truth.

[] Tommy Maddox at the time was considered a top notch player

[] John Elway at the time was entering his 8th season as our QB, and the player's union was pushing for unfettered free agency.

[] John's relationship with Reeves at the time had moved from tolerable to uneasy at best, and there was no telling how much longer john would want to continue to play for Dan. In fact after Dan's dismissal, Elway had commented that he'd have retired if Reeves was still the Broncos head coach.

[] Dan was thinking that he had to prepare for the imminent departure of john and needed a QB he could groom and have in place when/if that day arrived

so the bottom line is the Broncos had a tense relationship between coach and QB, and you're wondering why he drafted a QB as a contingency plan?

RunSilentRunDeep
04-24-2011, 03:00 PM
For 1st-round busts:

Previously noted Ted Gregory, Marcus Nash, and add:

Willie Middlebrooks
Ricky Nattiel
Bobby Anderson
Jerry Shay
Steve Shindler
Kelvin Clark


Ricky Nattiel isn't really fair since he blew out his knee.

HILife
04-24-2011, 03:41 PM
One pick that we missed out on was during the early 60's...we drafted Dick Butkus, but he went to play in the more established NFL....

Wow! Did not know that. Mega miss out.

baja
04-24-2011, 04:03 PM
Moss was a bad pick to be sure, but Ted Gregory and Marcus Nash were FAR worse. At least Moss made a handful of plays.

Don't forget Foster and Ashley Lelie

ICON
04-24-2011, 05:17 PM
Don't forget Foster and Ashley Lelie

The passing on Ed Reed was a bad day for me.

DrFate
04-24-2011, 06:52 PM
Don't forget Foster and Ashley Lelie

Lelie had a thousand receiving season and foster started for a while

Gregory was only a second round pick, but he had no knees when he was drafted

DrFate
04-24-2011, 06:55 PM
And Lelie was jerry rice compared to nash

DarkHorse
04-24-2011, 06:56 PM
Did we draft Lyle Alzado or did he just play for us before the Raiders?

baja
04-24-2011, 07:11 PM
Lelie had a thousand receiving season and foster started for a while

Gregory was only a second round pick, but he had no knees when he was drafted

I was adding them to the list of busts which they both were. Lelie was especially painful because many wanted Ed Reed and we all know how that turned out.

ol#7
04-25-2011, 07:32 AM
not sure, but didn't Mike draft Cutler when Jake was in his prime and had just led us to an AFC title game appearance...maybe you should ask him.

As far as the Maddox pick....everyone b****es about this without looking at it objectively. Everyone assumes Tommy was drafted to be john's immediate replacement, when that is nowhere near the truth.

[] Tommy Maddox at the time was considered a top notch player

[] John Elway at the time was entering his 8th season as our QB, and the player's union was pushing for unfettered free agency.

[] John's relationship with Reeves at the time had moved from tolerable to uneasy at best, and there was no telling how much longer john would want to continue to play for Dan. In fact after Dan's dismissal, Elway had commented that he'd have retired if Reeves was still the Broncos head coach.

[] Dan was thinking that he had to prepare for the imminent departure of john and needed a QB he could groom and have in place when/if that day arrived

so the bottom line is the Broncos had a tense relationship between coach and QB, and you're wondering why he drafted a QB as a contingency plan?

This^^^^^^

People also tend to forget that Elway wasnt always considered as the 1st ballot HOF that he is. I remember an SI article in the early 90's that had Jim (dont call me Kris) Everritt rated higher that him.

Not to mention That Kubes had just retired and Maddox came out pretty early so the thinking that he could be the backup for a few years was at least somewhat sound.

Still should have taken Pickens, but at the time I sold myself on the decision as I could at least see some logic behind it.

WolfpackGuy
04-25-2011, 08:07 AM
Did any Denver QB ever hit Lelie in stride or was he just a terrible route runner?

I never forgave him for dropping that third down pass against the Pats in 2003 that "confirmed" Belicheat's coaching "genius" for taking a safety.

Cito Pelon
04-25-2011, 08:15 AM
Did we draft Lyle Alzado or did he just play for us before the Raiders?

Drafted 4th round, 1971.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/draft.htm

Beantown Bronco
04-25-2011, 08:15 AM
Worst pick - Only one? I'm sure there should be many many more.

LOL By definition "worst" can only equal one.

Cito Pelon
04-25-2011, 08:16 AM
Forgot Shannon Sharpe, HOF, for the "best" list.

Cito Pelon
04-25-2011, 08:21 AM
Did any Denver QB ever hit Lelie in stride or was he just a terrible route runner?

I never forgave him for dropping that third down pass against the Pats in 2003 that "confirmed" Belicheat's coaching "genius" for taking a safety.

He sure could run the fly pattern, there wasn't a CB in the league that could keep up with him.

For the first part, no, Plummer couldn't hit him in stride. Cutler could have, but Lelie decided he didn't want to play for Denver anymore, which made the decision that much crazier.

WolfpackGuy
04-25-2011, 08:26 AM
He sure could run the fly pattern, there wasn't a CB in the league that could keep up with him.

For the first part, no, Plummer couldn't hit him in stride. Cutler could have, but Lelie decided he didn't want to play for Denver anymore, which made the decision that much crazier.

Yeah, his asshurtness over getting Walker was strange.

Cito Pelon
04-25-2011, 11:00 AM
Yeah, his asshurtness over getting Walker was strange.

I don't mean to hijack, but speaking of Walker, he's up there for a worst trades award. Was it the 36th overall in 2006 Denver gave up for him? Greg Jennings from Western Michigan went at #52.

Denver ended up with Tony Scheffler from Western Michigan at #61. Maurice Jones-Drew went at #60 (and Shanny signed Travis Henry the next year in 2007).

Back to the OP for best and worst draft picks, (don't flame me, because I'm just pointing out some facts) danged if Shanny didn't have some of the worst busts:

1st round - Nash, Middlebrooks, Jarvis Moss
2nd round - Eric Brown, Toviessi, Terry Pierce, Tatum Bell, Darius Watts
3rd round - Mark Campbell, Travis McGriff, Chris Cole, Dorsett Davis, Jeremy LeSeuer, Karl Paymah, Maurice Clarett

That is 15 out of 41 total draft picks in the first three rounds that Shanny & Co. totally f'd up. And the 26 Shanny & Co. got right in the first three rounds (if you can call it "right") included:

Detron Smith, Lennie Friedmann, Chris Watson, Deltha O'Neal, Ian Gold, Kenoy Kennedy, George Foster, Ashley Lelie, Tony Scheffler, Tim Crowder, Ryan Harris, Eddie Royal, Foxworth, Reggie Hayward, Brian Griese, Dan Neil.

So, 31 out of 41 Shanny & Co. draft picks in the first three rounds ended up with ONE Associated Press First Team All-Pro award (the gold standard of awards) - Deltha O'Neal in 2005 for the Bengals.

And, the 10 out of 41 that ended up being somewhat studly draft picks had only three AP First Team All-Pro honors:

John Mobley, 1997
Al Wilson, 2005
Trevor Pryce, 1999

TheChamp24
04-25-2011, 01:37 PM
I don't mean to hijack, but speaking of Walker, he's up there for a worst trades award. Was it the 36th overall in 2006 Denver gave up for him? Greg Jennings from Western Michigan went at #52.

Denver ended up with Tony Scheffler from Western Michigan at #61. Maurice Jones-Drew went at #60 (and Shanny signed Travis Henry the next year in 2007).

Back to the OP for best and worst draft picks, (don't flame me, because I'm just pointing out some facts) danged if Shanny didn't have some of the worst busts:

1st round - Nash, Middlebrooks, Jarvis Moss
2nd round - Eric Brown, Toviessi, Terry Pierce, Tatum Bell, Darius Watts
3rd round - Mark Campbell, Travis McGriff, Chris Cole, Dorsett Davis, Jeremy LeSeuer, Karl Paymah, Maurice Clarett

That is 15 out of 41 total draft picks in the first three rounds that Shanny & Co. totally f'd up. And the 26 Shanny & Co. got right in the first three rounds (if you can call it "right") included:

Detron Smith, Lennie Friedmann, Chris Watson, Deltha O'Neal, Ian Gold, Kenoy Kennedy, George Foster, Ashley Lelie, Tony Scheffler, Tim Crowder, Ryan Harris, Eddie Royal, Foxworth, Reggie Hayward, Brian Griese, Dan Neil.

So, 31 out of 41 Shanny & Co. draft picks in the first three rounds ended up with ONE Associated Press First Team All-Pro award (the gold standard of awards) - Deltha O'Neal in 2005 for the Bengals.

And, the 10 out of 41 that ended up being somewhat studly draft picks had only three AP First Team All-Pro honors:

John Mobley, 1997
Al Wilson, 2005
Trevor Pryce, 1999

I don't think you can call Tatum Bell a bust. Hate it or not, but Tater was a good complement back to Mike Anderson during that time. Ran for 1,000 yards in 13 games in 2006 and 900 something in 2005. He gave us 2 quality seasons, which to me means he wasn't a bust. Ashley Lelie is somewhat similar. He became a solid #2 WR for us but then wanted to be a dumbass and get traded to become a "star" and then end up doing jack squat. If he stayed in Denver he probably would still end up being a solid WR, but maybe then we don't draft Eddie Royal.

Cito Pelon
04-25-2011, 01:54 PM
I don't think you can call Tatum Bell a bust. Hate it or not, but Tater was a good complement back to Mike Anderson during that time. Ran for 1,000 yards in 13 games in 2006 and 900 something in 2005. He gave us 2 quality seasons, which to me means he wasn't a bust. Ashley Lelie is somewhat similar. He became a solid #2 WR for us but then wanted to be a dumbass and get traded to become a "star" and then end up doing jack squat. If he stayed in Denver he probably would still end up being a solid WR, but maybe then we don't draft Eddie Royal.

Yeah, I figured only Tatum Bell would get some action after I included Bell as a "bust".

I included Tatum only because he was according to Shanny the replacement for Portis.

Lelie, I didn't put him in bust category.