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TheReverend
04-17-2011, 09:29 AM
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Set to Antoine Dodson auto-tuned Ha!

Out of the amazing picks, burning returns and textbook tackles, my favorite play in the video is the tip at 1:40. I hope people understand the amazing ability it takes to be able to tip a ball away at the perfect time just by watching the receivers eyes and reach IMMEDIATELY open popping your hips around while playing inside.

* 2010 First-Team Walter Camp All-American
* 2010 Thorpe Award Winner
* 2010 Bednarik Award Winner
* 2010 SEC Defensive Player of the Year
* 2010 Preseason All-American (TSN, Playboy, Athlon, Lindy's, Phil Steele)
* 2009 Second-Team All-America (TSN)
* 2009 First-Team All-SEC (ESPN)
* 2009 Second-Team All-SEC (AP, Coaches)
* 2007 High School Defensive Player of the Year (USA Today)

Starter as a true Freshman and throughout his collegiate career.

Team player: ASKED to return kicks as a Junior, and in his FIRST OUTING set the LSU RECORD for return yards! (257-yards returning punts and kickoffs, 244-yards coming in the first half.) That performance is also SECOND in SEC history (by 9 yards).

The SOLE flaw I could find watching this guy: Occasional false steps in breaks. VERY correctable.

Hasn't fallen to over scouting and not a recent scouting wonder:

http://www.mockdrafthq.com/draft/vie...st_2011_Mock/1 (http://www.mockdrafthq.com/draft/view/admin/First_2011_Mock/1)

Ridiculous production to accompany measurables.

Exhibits even more versatility with his athleticism:

"Peterson entertained the home crowd again in week four against Top-25 foe West Virginia. With the game tied 0-0 early in the first quarter, West Virginia went to attempt a mid-range field goal that would have silenced the raucous crowd in Death Valley, however Peterson was able to leap from behind the line of scrimmage and block the kick."

TheReverend
04-17-2011, 09:47 AM
Anyone else think it's reallllllllllllllllllly cool that Elway's first ever draft pick could be #7?

HAT
04-17-2011, 10:04 AM
Anyone else think it's reallllllllllllllllllly cool that Elway's first ever draft pick could be #7?

Even better if they could trade down with SF and PP is still available.....

The 7 takes a 7 at 7. :yayaya:

TheReverend
04-17-2011, 10:06 AM
Even better if they could trade down with SF and PP is still available.....

The 7 takes a 7 at 7. :yayaya:

I don't think that would/could happen, but it certainly would be amazing.

Hope Elway tells Knowshon to pick a new number so PP can redeem #27's meaning in the defensive backfield.

TheReverend
04-17-2011, 10:11 AM
Set to Last Airbender trailer by LSUsportsnet

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TheReverend
04-17-2011, 10:16 AM
Requiem for a Dream remix (mostly Freshman and Soph clips due to made date)

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TheReverend
04-17-2011, 10:19 AM
Just Junior year:

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BMarsh615
04-17-2011, 10:25 AM
Denver hasn't been able to stop the run for half a decade and people want to draft a corner when we have guys like Dareus and Fairley available???

Our defense even sucked when Champ Bailey was in his prime. We gotta go DL no matter how good Patrick Peterson may become.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-17-2011, 10:33 AM
They should have cut to him taking the Wonderlic at a certain point in that song.

/you don't have to confess

TheReverend
04-17-2011, 10:36 AM
Denver hasn't been able to stop the run for half a decade and people want to draft a corner when we have guys like Dareus and Fairley available???

It's always nice when the first sentence of a post let's you know it's 100% ignorant!

Our defense even sucked when Champ Bailey was in his prime. We gotta go DL no matter how good Patrick Peterson may become.

Define his prime? Because from his age of 25-28 the defense was ALWAYS above average and ranked #4 overall in 2004 (vs the run: #4, #2 and #12)

Clincher: One player neither makes nor breaks a defense. We need help everywhere on that side of the ball. Newsflash - our draft doesn't end at #2. This is about BPA and a true difference maker with #2. If you disagree, provide an argument and support it, because this last post was the epitome of garbage and the equivalent of the light rail.

elsid13
04-17-2011, 10:41 AM
They should have cut to him taking the Wonderlic at a certain point in that song.

/you don't have to confess

A very interesting article in the latest ESPN MAG, about the how the Wonderlic is very poor indicator of success on the football field. The analytical skills and process that create good success on the test rarely ensure the player is successful on the football field. It seem that repetition and experience are better indicators of success. In many ways football more about muscle memory then it is about thinking and analyzing a problem.

razorwire77
04-17-2011, 10:41 AM
The kid is clearly in that Randy Moss/Calvin Johnson type category of athletic freak. It's hard to imagine that anyone (even an NFL player) is that fluid and that fast at 220 pounds. If we take him, I'd prefer to drop down to a few spots. The key thing is whether we go Dareus, Fairley, Miller, or Peterson we're going to get an upgrade over what we have. With Peterson, I'm convinced you're getting a multiple year Pro Bowl player. With Fairley or Dareus, I'm not nearly as confident.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-17-2011, 10:45 AM
A very interesting article in the latest ESPN MAG, about the how the Wonderlic is very poor indicator of success on the football field. The analytical skills and process that create good success on the test rarely ensure the player is successful on the football field. It seem that repetition and experience are better indicators of success. In many ways football more about muscle memory then it is about thinking and analyzing a problem.

I really don't think he's dumb. Fo real.

He's probably illiterate, which has nothing to do with aptitude. I don't think he has to be able to read printed language in order to play football.

TheReverend
04-17-2011, 10:53 AM
I really don't think he's dumb. Fo real.

He's probably illiterate, which has nothing to do with aptitude. I don't think he has to be able to read printed language in order to play football.

I think there's two possibilities at play:

1. He pulled a Rod Woodson and just wrote "C" for every answer because he thinks the pure concept of the test is stupid

2. Like 98% of all NFL players, he's extremely stupid

He's proven to be coachable and a high character player which are usually the two primary concerns of rampant stupidity, so frankly, I don't care. He's pretty articulate in his interviews as opposed to... well, 95% of the NFL.

elsid13
04-17-2011, 10:57 AM
I really don't think he's dumb. Fo real.

He's probably illiterate, which has nothing to do with aptitude. I don't think he has to be able to read printed language in order to play football.

I don't he is either illiterate or dumb, just has average intelligence like any LSU undergrad. But even though self promoting machine that is NFL wants us to believe that all coaches, players are smarter then the average American, we all know that isn't true.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-17-2011, 11:01 AM
How many illegitimate kids does he have? That seems to be a pretty fair intelligence assessment for the NFL.

TheReverend
04-17-2011, 11:09 AM
Other note to consider:

If we're looking for a big immediate impact with #2 overall, taking into account the pending lockout and high probability of no OTAs/Camps, I think this puts an even higher premium on Peterson or Miller who play positions of athleticism and immediate impact over slow developing positions like DT.

epicSocialism4tw
04-17-2011, 11:25 AM
I don't he is either illiterate or dumb, just has average intelligence like any LSU undergrad. But even though self promoting machine that is NFL wants us to believe that all coaches, players are smarter then the average American, we all know that isn't true.

I seriously doubt that Patrick Peterson has the average intelligence level of the undergrad student body at LSU.

GPA? I'm betting he's closer to 2.0 than to 3.0.

TheReverend
04-17-2011, 11:26 AM
I seriously doubt that Patrick Peterson has the average intelligence level of the undergrad student body at LSU.

GPA? I'm betting he's closer to 2.0 than to 3.0.

And little doubt deserves a 1.0 without assistance from being a big draw football player.

BMarsh615
04-17-2011, 11:27 AM
It's always nice when the first sentence of a post let's you know it's 100% ignorant!



Define his prime? Because from his age of 25-28 the defense was ALWAYS above average and ranked #4 overall in 2004 (vs the run: #4, #2 and #12)

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I would say 2006 and 2007 were the last years of Champ's "prime". In 2006 the defense was stout until the last 8 games of the year and it has sucked ever since.

epicSocialism4tw
04-17-2011, 11:30 AM
And little doubt deserves a 1.0 without assistance from being a big draw football player.

Thats true.

I wish these colleges would just get rid of this mockery of a system and just pay these guys to play. Cash, not tuition and room and board.

Its an insult to serious students to have these clowns float through classes.

Play2win
04-17-2011, 11:31 AM
Denver hasn't been able to stop the run for half a decade and people want to draft a corner when we have guys like Dareus and Fairley available???

Our defense even sucked when Champ Bailey was in his prime. We gotta go DL no matter how good Patrick Peterson may become.

exactly. You have to stop the run first. Dareus would go a long way to doing that.

We need some serious strength in the middle, so we can actually stop a power runner, when the opposition tries to ram it down our throats.

I still remember, over the course of the last few years, when teams would be passing on us-- I would be thinking, Why aren't they running the ball on us?!?

Lucky for us... I Guess...

TheReverend
04-17-2011, 11:38 AM
I would say 2006 and 2007 were the last years of Champ's "prime". In 2006 the defense was stout until the last 8 games of the year and it has sucked ever since.

So you'd prefer to ignore the previous years and instead include a season where he battled nagging injuries, and we lost Al Wilson and ran two separate defensive philosophies?

Sounds legit to me. ^5

TheReverend
04-17-2011, 11:39 AM
Thats true.

I wish these colleges would just get rid of this mockery of a system and just pay these guys to play. Cash, not tuition and room and board.

Its an insult to serious students to have these clowns float through classes.

Fully agree.

It's also an insult to the players to offer them such an absurd "stipend" and not allow them to have jobs, etc.

No one "wins" under the NCAA's "system" but the NCAA.

BMarsh615
04-17-2011, 11:43 AM
So you'd prefer to ignore the previous years and instead include a season where he battled nagging injuries, and we lost Al Wilson and ran two separate defensive philosophies?

Sounds legit to me. ^5

The downfall of the defense coincided with the loss of Al Wilson and Trevor Pryce. Champ is still a fantastic corner and our defense is atrocious. We have a good group of young/veteran corners already but we don't have a DT on our roster that would start for any team in the NFL.

TheReverend
04-17-2011, 11:49 AM
The downfall of the defense coincided with the loss of Al Wilson and Trevor Pryce. Champ is still a fantastic corner and our defense is atrocious. We have a good group of young/veteran corners already but we don't have a DT on our roster that would start for any team in the NFL.

Good point!

...Wait, Pryce hadn't played DT since 2000.

...Wait, the year Pryce was out all season with a back injury our defense was ranked #4 overall and #4 against the run with Fatafehi and Pope at DT.

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?!?!?! OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

yerner
04-17-2011, 11:52 AM
Best player in the draft. His highlight's blow away any other players highlights I've seen.

epicSocialism4tw
04-17-2011, 11:53 AM
Fully agree.

It's also an insult to the players to offer them such an absurd "stipend" and not allow them to have jobs, etc.
No one "wins" under the NCAA's "system" but the NCAA.

I agree totally.

They are working. They are earning the athletic department millions upon millions. Pay the players. Let them spend money on an education if they want to, when they want to.

epicSocialism4tw
04-17-2011, 11:55 AM
Best player in the draft. His highlight's blow away any other players highlights I've seen.

Yeah, because that's how you can tell who the best player in the draft is...by their youtube highlights.

Forget Peterson. Draft Cole:
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TheReverend
04-17-2011, 11:56 AM
Best player in the draft. His highlight's blow away any other players highlights I've seen.

As do his awards, measurables and production.

The main point is that the defense needs a TALENT infusion and that I feel he's the BPA.

If someone disagrees and thinks Dareus is the best talent, by all means, post your opinion and supporting evidence here.

The best argument I've seen is: "He fits a bigger need!" Which is a dreadful way to build a 4-12 football team with key players on the downside of their career (including a secondary where the starting average age will be 34.25 this season)...

yerner
04-17-2011, 12:14 PM
Yeah, because that's how you can tell who the best player in the draft is...by their youtube highlights.

I know, I know, you've done extensive film study on all the prospects.

Why do you think I wrote the sentence like I did? I was saying his highlights, meaning his impact plays, are better than any other players I've been shown.

bronco0608
04-17-2011, 12:39 PM
Rev, you are going to be soooo disappointed come draft day.

Requiem
04-17-2011, 12:48 PM
^ I want to see your draft board, poser.

bronco0608
04-17-2011, 01:02 PM
^ I want to see your draft board, poser.

I have Peterson as the 118th best player in this draft right behind kicker Kai Forbath from UCLA. I struggled as to whether he was better than Forbath, though. It was tough. In the end, Forbath won.

Requiem
04-17-2011, 01:03 PM
No, honestly -- can we see it?

Shananahan
04-17-2011, 01:17 PM
The great thing about this draft is Denver will have to try really hard to screw up in order to not get a very good player at one level of the defense. I don't like taking Miller without trading down, but as long as the #2 is Peterson or Dareus I'll be extremely happy. I'm really starting to warm to the idea of Peterson in the first, based purely on overall talent and depth of DL in the draft.

Broncos_OTM
04-17-2011, 01:17 PM
A very interesting article in the latest ESPN MAG, about the how the Wonderlic is very poor indicator of success on the football field. The analytical skills and process that create good success on the test rarely ensure the player is successful on the football field. It seem that repetition and experience are better indicators of success. In many ways football more about muscle memory then it is about thinking and analyzing a problem.

its only half the quation you have to be able to use your football smarts quickly and i think wonderlific shows how fast you can analyze something and come to a conclussion ... its a total package... i think its one of vince youngs biggest issues.. he cant read a fense quickly

TheReverend
04-17-2011, 01:18 PM
Rev, you are going to be soooo disappointed come draft day.

Doubt it. Denver is going to end up with some outstanding prospects for the D. The only way I'll truly be upset is with a first round QB.

Broncos_OTM
04-17-2011, 01:26 PM
I agree totally.

They are working. They are earning the athletic department millions upon millions. Pay the players. Let them spend money on an education if they want to, when they want to.

Most of these kids dont have nothing. Pay em. Maybe if they lean to use there money right so many wont go broke after they stop playing

elsid13
04-17-2011, 01:46 PM
its only half the quation you have to be able to use your football smarts quickly and i think wonderlific shows how fast you can analyze something and come to a conclussion ... its a total package... i think its one of vince youngs biggest issues.. he cant read a fense quickly

The wonderlic doesn't show how fast you process information, it show it general intelligence. I would argue that experience is more important then intelligence in 99% of on the field plays.

Broncoman13
04-17-2011, 01:54 PM
A very interesting article in the latest ESPN MAG, about the how the Wonderlic is very poor indicator of success on the football field. The analytical skills and process that create good success on the test rarely ensure the player is successful on the football field. It seem that repetition and experience are better indicators of success. In many ways football more about muscle memory then it is about thinking and analyzing a problem.

Yup, somewhat important for QBs... one could argue for OL... but I think the Wonderlic is a poor test to determine a players ability to grasp new football concepts. The mental aspect I would be concerned with isn't currently measured or analyzed.