PDA

View Full Version : OT: Game of Thrones Major Spoiler Thread


Pages : 1 2 3 4 5 6 [7] 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18

Drunk Monkey
06-05-2013, 08:52 AM
Three months ago, I would've agreed. NOW, after having dated one for a bit, I will say that only select gingers should die. My gf not included.

Same thing here but it is my son. Luckily his hair is darkening and should be free of the ginger status in a few months. The wife is a ginger but fixes the problem with much $ and effort.

Kaylore
06-05-2013, 09:28 AM
he would. his outlook as a puppeteer is downright scary but perfect for behind the scenes(the true power behind the figurehead and all that), whereas it would be horrifically bad as a king since you must be all things to everyone.

I don't care that he's manipulative. You have to be to rule a nation. My problem is his whole motivation is a big FU to the world for doubting him. He has moments of benevolence, but by and large he's out to make himself powerful for his own sake and destroy anyone who ever wronged him just to make a point.

The spider is the only one who sees Little Finger as he is.

Boobs McGee
06-05-2013, 09:31 AM
Same think here but it is my son. Luckily his hair is darkening and should be free of the ginger status in a few months. The wife is a ginger but fixes the problem with much $ and effort.

Hooray for your son!! My girl is actually a stylist, and prefers the red hair...she does a lot of work on gingers looking to hide it though haha.

Drunk Monkey
06-05-2013, 02:12 PM
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/dar-today-20.jpg?w=500

Drunk Monkey
06-05-2013, 02:13 PM
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/add-game.jpg?w=500&h=667

Old Dude
06-05-2013, 03:38 PM
I'm going to go on record right now and say that if it was up to me, I'd hunt down every last one of those little bastard Ewoks in their prairie dog holes and finish the job the First Men started several thousand years ago. Just do that, and everything will work out fine.

IndelibleScribe
06-05-2013, 04:00 PM
I don't care that he's manipulative. You have to be to rule a nation. My problem is his whole motivation is a big FU to the world for doubting him. He has moments of benevolence, but by and large he's out to make himself powerful for his own sake and destroy anyone who ever wronged him just to make a point.

The spider is the only one who sees Little Finger as he is.

that's why i said his outlook is perfect for a puppeteer but poor for a king.

DivineLegion
06-05-2013, 07:49 PM
Have you read the one about them being Hobbits?

That the world Martin presents is Middle Earth after the Elves have left and the "Doom" in Valyria was Mt Doom erupting.

Something like that. I don't know enough LOTR to really get the minutia of it.

Valerian steel = Elvish

High Valerian language = Elvish

Targaryans are from a line of men who bred with Elves, thus their perchance for inbreeding, and why they have such unique characteristics.

Rholor is Sauron




The possibilities are endless.

Boobs McGee
06-05-2013, 08:57 PM
That was a great interview with Conan - I wonder who he was talking about at the premiere? Maybe Shae?

Anywho, some very interesting stuff from GRRM. For those that missed it, at one point, he mentioned that he (paraphrasing) hopes that the tv series ends like the books do. In terms of the Red Wedding, the show killed off four characters that are still alive in the books. Conan asked if he knew the ending to the book series, and he said yes, in broad strokes, but he doesn't know for sure if the tv series will end the same way.

That leads me to believe that Robb's wife's death might be a little more significant than a simple snuffing out...can someone give me a list of the others that were spared in the books?

Boobs McGee
06-05-2013, 09:01 PM
Also, it was great hearing GRRM talk about the inspiration for the series...he was very poor growing up in New Jersey, read lots of comics/watched tv, had a great imagination. The body of water between his hometown and Stanton Island had many ships with many flags, there were lights, the city so far away held a lot of unknowns and curiosities...a lot of the Westeros world was based off of that imagination.

I'm really not doing it justice, hopefully someone can provide a link to it once it's up. It was a really interesting look into the mind of the creator.

ALSO, he said (I'm sure it's already documented) that the WofW is going to be a 1500 pager, and he's writing pretty fast.

Boobs McGee
06-05-2013, 09:07 PM
One more funny bit....when he watched the reaction videos, commented about how the people setting it up were the original readers of the series, who knew what was coming. Laughed and said something to the effect of, "now you know why your nerdy friends were all depressed 13 years ago". ha!

Taco John
06-05-2013, 10:48 PM
Have you read the one about them being Hobbits?

That the world Martin presents is Middle Earth after the Elves have left and the "Doom" in Valyria was Mt Doom erupting.

Something like that. I don't know enough LOTR to really get the minutia of it.

The other supporting piece of "evidence" for this theory is the opening theme. Watch it closely the next time, and notice the sun (with the GOT logo) - keep track of where it is during the whole sequence as they pan across the mechanical castles and across the sea. The entire land lies on the inside of the globe - ala middle earth.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/s7L2PVdrb_8?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


I'm not saying that I believe the theory is legit, but I love the way that so much stuff is open to interpretation.

Bronco Yoda
06-06-2013, 05:55 AM
Wow!

Just watched it last night on the DVR.

The wife is yelling at the TV 'what are you doing Jon'. I'm LMAO telling her what do you expect she's a ginger.

Then the blood bath wedding hits. She says she's not watching this crap anymore and is mad.

From here on... It is said... I will now watch alone....

LOL

Kaylore
06-06-2013, 06:56 AM
Did anyone see Martin as Conan's guest last night? It was pretty humorous. He said he has trouble keeping things straight between books, like the gender of certain horses and the color of some character's eyes - which astounds me considering how meticulous he is when he writes. He says he usually ends up calling some uberfan in Sweden to clarify the details. This is the author, mind you.

Old Dude
06-06-2013, 07:28 AM
Happy Place Facebook time for Ep 9:

http://www.happyplace.com/24297/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-9

Boobs McGee
06-06-2013, 08:07 AM
<object width="560" height="315"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/GR36slEw7aU?version=3&amp;hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/GR36slEw7aU?version=3&amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="560" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>

Worth watching the whole thing!

scorpio
06-06-2013, 08:23 AM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/U6AjgR7D3yg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Loved this

El Guapo
06-06-2013, 09:26 AM
"Now you know why all your nerd friends were depressed 12 years ago." haha!

MagicHef
06-06-2013, 10:10 AM
That was a great interview with Conan - I wonder who he was talking about at the premiere? Maybe Shae?

Anywho, some very interesting stuff from GRRM. For those that missed it, at one point, he mentioned that he (paraphrasing) hopes that the tv series ends like the books do. In terms of the Red Wedding, the show killed off four characters that are still alive in the books. Conan asked if he knew the ending to the book series, and he said yes, in broad strokes, but he doesn't know for sure if the tv series will end the same way.

That leads me to believe that Robb's wife's death might be a little more significant than a simple snuffing out...can someone give me a list of the others that were spared in the books?

I don't think he meant just at the red wedding, but throughout the show so far. The people that are dead in the show that hadn't died by this point in the books (that I can think of) are Talisa/Jeyne, the Tickler, Xaro Xhoan Daxos, and Mago.

DivineLegion
06-06-2013, 10:33 AM
We didn't see Xaro die, I don't think? Just locked in that vault, right?

Right

Kaylore
06-06-2013, 11:01 AM
Right

Yeah Xaro is kind of a wild card in this. One of the many rogue elements that can potentially really alter how the story goes in the show Vs. the books.

MagicHef
06-06-2013, 11:29 AM
We didn't see Xaro die, I don't think? Just locked in that vault, right?

Yep. He said 4 though, and I can't think of anyone else.

Boobs McGee
06-06-2013, 12:02 PM
IF he was including Xaro, then maybe he was also including the girl (dora?) that was locked in there with him.

Again, as you all have mentioned, they weren't "dead", but that's about the only other person I'm thinking it could be.

EDIT: Doreah...and unless they figure out some way to drill through Valeyrian steel, I think they're fuuuuuucked.

myMind
06-06-2013, 12:53 PM
<iframe src="http://www.collegehumor.com/e/6894740" width="600" height="369" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen allowFullScreen></iframe><div style="padding:5px 0; text-align:center; width:600px;"><p><a href="http://www.collegehumor.com/videos/most-viewed/this-year">CollegeHumor's Favorite Funny Videos</a></p></div>

MagicHef
06-06-2013, 12:56 PM
IF he was including Xaro, then maybe he was also including the girl (dora?) that was locked in there with him.

Again, as you all have mentioned, they weren't "dead", but that's about the only other person I'm thinking it could be.

EDIT: Doreah...and unless they figure out some way to drill through Valeyrian steel, I think they're fuuuuuuuned.

Doreah is dead in the books, too. She died in the red waste before they made it to Qarth.

Kaylore
06-06-2013, 02:05 PM
Come on. You've read the books.

If you don't see them die, they're not dead. And if they are dead, maybe not forever.

That's why Jon Snow isn't dead.

Baba Booey
06-06-2013, 03:17 PM
That's why Jon Snow isn't dead.

anyone who believes he is (or if he is, that he'll stay that way) is a simple boob

kappys
06-06-2013, 03:39 PM
Good stuff on this thread, a few thoughts

There are a lot of GRRM interviews on youtube - I've listened to a few and he was asked about Tolkein - while he expressed apprecation for his work he hardly sounded like a very enthralled or big fan - in fact he specifically noted that they were childrens stories. I have a hard time buying into the idea that he used Middle earth in the future to set up his world.

Jeyne/Talisa - For some reason I recall in the book some question fo Jeyne's mother essentially forcing her to have an abortion - I think the Robb Stark line is gone. Rickon is the king in the North - we know the Manderlys know about him and are after him to raise him up, he will have the Smalljon's support(in the show he is heading to the Umbers). They've already protrayed Shaggy Dog as savage and vicious and I think that is exactly what Rickon will become - a very savage and very vicious fighter who will take revenge on all the houses in the North that wronged the Starks. I predict that the next few books will span a good number of years (i.e. all of winter since the last book is A Hope for Spring, and we know this is going to be a very long winter)

Old Dude
06-06-2013, 04:17 PM
Quoting Martin from an interview:

"As a reader, what I seek is a book that delights and surprises me. I want to not know what is gonna happen. For me, that’s the essence of storytelling and for this reason I want my readers to turn the pages with increasing fever: to know what happens next. There are a lot of expectations, mainly in the fantasy genre, which you have the hero and he is the chosen one, and he is always protected by his destiny. I didn’t want it for my books."

Tolkein's "Middle Earth" was probably drawn from norse references to "Midgard," (Earth). To the extent that both authors (and dozens more in the genre) draw on norse & celtic epics and myths, it's no surprise that there are parallels. The interesting thing about GoT is that genre expectations are often turned upside down.

misturanderson
06-06-2013, 05:38 PM
Yep. He said 4 though, and I can't think of anyone else.

Frey's wife didn't die in the books, right? Not that she is a very important character.

MagicHef
06-06-2013, 08:05 PM
Frey's wife didn't die in the books, right? Not that she is a very important character.

True. That would be the 4th.

Fedaykin
06-06-2013, 08:29 PM
Quoting Martin from an interview:

"As a reader, what I seek is a book that delights and surprises me. I want to not know what is gonna happen. For me, that’s the essence of storytelling and for this reason I want my readers to turn the pages with increasing fever: to know what happens next. There are a lot of expectations, mainly in the fantasy genre, which you have the hero and he is the chosen one, and he is always protected by his destiny. I didn’t want it for my books."

Tolkein's "Middle Earth" was probably drawn from norse references to "Midgard," (Earth). To the extent that both authors (and dozens more in the genre) draw on norse & celtic epics and myths, it's no surprise that there are parallels. The interesting thing about GoT is that genre expectations are often turned upside down.

This is why I love GRRM's work, and also why I love the work of Herbert (hence my handle). Herbert also tossed away a lot of the predictability of stories in his Dune series and whacks main characters unexpectedly. Not to the extreme extent that GRRM takes it, but still there.

lolcopter
06-07-2013, 06:06 PM
The other supporting piece of "evidence" for this theory is the opening theme. Watch it closely the next time, and notice the sun (with the GOT logo) - keep track of where it is during the whole sequence as they pan across the mechanical castles and across the sea. The entire land lies on the inside of the globe - ala middle earth.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/s7L2PVdrb_8?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


I'm not saying that I believe the theory is legit, but I love the way that so much stuff is open to interpretation.

the show open is pretty brilliant itself; that is, in how it changes weekly with the story. when i saw the twins on the latest episode, i knew it was going down.

peacepipe
06-09-2013, 07:09 PM
Damn, I'm not all that impressed with the season finale. Bit of a dud.

Old Dude
06-09-2013, 07:19 PM
Yeah, that was kind of anti-climatic. I'm starting to wonder just how many characters and subplots they plan on cutting.

Baba Booey
06-09-2013, 07:57 PM
Next year we'll hopefully have Coldhands, the Royal Wedding, the battles at the Wall, and Tywin/Tyrion.

RhymesayersDU
06-09-2013, 08:04 PM
HODOR.

Baba Booey
06-09-2013, 08:26 PM
At this point I don't think we'll see Cold hands. Giving them the dragon glass effectively solved his only purpose to date.

But yeah they'll finish book 3 next season

Eh, he does play a pretty significant role by leading them to the cave. Plus there's still the chance that he's Benjen Stark.

We'll see...in ten whole months :(

spdirty
06-09-2013, 08:44 PM
I swear if he ever kills off Dany someone (maybe me) might hunt him down and pull a Ramse/Theon on him. She is so freaking awesome.

Drunk Monkey
06-10-2013, 04:53 AM
I swear if he ever kills off Dany someone (maybe me) might hunt him down and pull a Ramse/Theon on him. She is so freaking awesome.

Yes, yes she is.

Ya, the finale was kind of a dud but episode 9 was always going to be pretty tough to follow. Now I have to go from Dany to Sookie. A noticeable drop.......

Boobs McGee
06-10-2013, 07:45 AM
I thought last night's episode was great, although it seemed that a few of the storylines felt a little more soap opera-esque than I remember in the books. Ygritte and Jon were pretty sappy (I still enjoyed it, but they REALLY geared it to the female audience IMO), Asha being very un-Asha like in her declaration to find Theon, and the whole Theon being named Reek...it all felt a little over the top to me.

Tywin and Tyrion are just KILLIN it, and that whole small council meeting was my favorite part of the episode. Jeoff is such a petulant b**** (big kudos to him for portraying that character so well), never have I felt the urge to punch someone in the babymakers more than he.

As for Gendry, I wonder how (or if) he's going to end up coming back in later in the story, and whether or not they'll have him saving Brienne's life? Curious to see how that storyline will play out.

10 long months ahead :( GREAT season though.

spdirty
06-10-2013, 08:22 AM
Yes, yes she is.

Ya, the finale was kind of a dud but episode 9 was always going to be pretty tough to follow. Now I have to go from Dany to Sookie. A noticeable drop.......

Yeah the finales are always kind of a dud with this show. But it's fine. Episode 9 is there to shock everyone, and episode 10 sets us up for next season. 2 of the last 3 final scenes of the season finale have been Dany being sexy as hell and awesome. So he better not kill her off.

Boobs McGee
06-10-2013, 09:13 AM
I wonder if Jon will run her through with Longclaw to make Lightbringer.

That sounds like the plot to a pretty epic porno!

El Guapo
06-10-2013, 10:18 AM
haha

Oh man, 10 months. What a let down, but I know it'll be worth it. I guess I can read the latest book in that time frame.

IndelibleScribe
06-10-2013, 10:22 AM
Tyrion and Tywin was awesome. they're really the only ones willing to stand up to Jeoff.
even better is that they have no real fear of him.

Taco John
06-10-2013, 10:36 AM
Holy cow. I'm blown away that people were disappointed in that episode. I loved it and thought it was pretty great. Between Asha going badass to rescue her little brother, and Arya going cold blooded killer, and Jon vs. Ygritte... And Varys pleading with Shae to leave... And that Tywin and Tyrion scene... and to end it on Myssa gave me chills.

I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. I'm shocked that there are people who felt let down.

El Guapo
06-10-2013, 11:14 AM
You can't please everyone all the time. I agree it was a great episode; I thoroughly enjoyed it.

That Arya scene was especially great. I loved how the hound told her to warn him in the future before she pulls that stunt again, and then he walked away. I was rolling. :D

Archer81
06-10-2013, 01:41 PM
You can't please everyone all the time. I agree it was a great episode; I thoroughly enjoyed it.

That Arya scene was especially great. I loved how the hound told her to warn him in the future before she pulls that stunt again, and then he walked away. I was rolling. :D


The Arya scenes in this episode were pretty good. Her face at the "king of the north" crack was heartbreaking.


:Broncos:

Old Dude
06-10-2013, 02:10 PM
Apparently, all the twitters who swore they'd never watch the show again didn't hurt the ratings for episode 10.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-game-thrones-finale-565615

Even more viewers than last week.

Taco John
06-10-2013, 05:25 PM
http://i.imgur.com/fe4NUDb.gif

Johnykbr
06-10-2013, 05:26 PM
Great episode but a terrible ending. That was awful compared to the final scenes of season 1 and especially season 2.

MagicHef
06-10-2013, 05:47 PM
The Asha scene seemed like the intro to a corny crimefighting tv show (I'll assemble my team of awesome guys, and take my awesome ship...), and the Mhysa scene was kind of contrived, but I liked the rest. The small council meeting and Arya were great.

kappys
06-11-2013, 09:46 AM
The Asha scene seemed like the intro to a corny crimefighting tv show (I'll assemble my team of awesome guys, and take my awesome ship...), and the Mhysa scene was kind of contrived, but I liked the rest. The small council meeting and Arya were great.

Of course by the end of ADWD I don't think any of they Greyjoys even know Theon is alive.

I think the Asha move was designed to make it easy for the writers to move on with the leadership of the Iron Isles and accomplish the same task of getting Asha off Pike. I'm guessing that Aeron will essentially play the triple role of Aeron/Victarion/Euron.

Taco John
06-11-2013, 02:53 PM
Of course by the end of ADWD I don't think any of they Greyjoys even know Theon is alive.

I think the Asha move was designed to make it easy for the writers to move on with the leadership of the Iron Isles and accomplish the same task of getting Asha off Pike. I'm guessing that Aeron will essentially play the triple role of Aeron/Victarion/Euron.

I hope not. I am very eager to see Victarion.

Fedaykin
06-12-2013, 01:59 AM
http://i.imgur.com/fe4NUDb.gif

Brings a whole new meaning to:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51M2TEpqOJL._SX500_.jpg

DivineLegion
06-12-2013, 07:52 AM
There is no way they can do away with Euron and Victarion Greyjoy. Especially Victarion, considering his rendezvous with Danarys, and Eron with the horn.

kappys
06-12-2013, 12:10 PM
There is no way they can do away with Euron and Victarion Greyjoy. Especially Victarion, considering his rendezvous with Danarys, and Eron with the horn.

I wouldn't be so sure - I think it depends on how important Damphairs role is in the future and whether they can sort of combine the characters together. Then again I thought they might have gotten rid of Meera Reed but they didn't. Hopefully they keep both - I want to see someones lungs charred from sounding the dragon horn

broncolife
06-12-2013, 08:19 PM
You can't please everyone all the time. I agree it was a great episode; I thoroughly enjoyed it.

That Arya scene was especially great. I loved how the hound told her to warn him in the future before she pulls that stunt again, and then he walked away. I was rolling. :D

I thought that scene was great, especially when they showed the Hound in the backround eating the Dead peoples food.

Drunk Monkey
06-15-2013, 08:54 PM
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/funny-stuff-10.jpg?w=500

Old Dude
06-28-2013, 03:16 PM
The Red Viper has been cast.

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/game-thrones-casts-oberyn-red-viper-201752159.html

Taco John
06-28-2013, 04:44 PM
The Red Viper has been cast.

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/game-thrones-casts-oberyn-red-viper-201752159.html

Gotta say... I'm a little skeptical. I don't get too skeptical on these guys, I think they're doing a great job. But this guy doesn't ooze "The Red Viper" to me.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0050959/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

Taco John
06-28-2013, 05:11 PM
This is more how I picture Oberyn:
http://i.imgur.com/KAQwZig.jpg

Boobs McGee
06-28-2013, 05:35 PM
This is more how I picture Oberyn:
http://i.imgur.com/KAQwZig.jpg

I always pictured him a bit older...he was in his 40's right? When I read the books, I was thinking more like a viggo mortensen:
http://i2.listal.com/image/1103934/600full-viggo-mortensen.jpg

Johnykbr
06-28-2013, 07:00 PM
Gotta say... I'm a little skeptical. I don't get too skeptical on these guys, I think they're doing a great job. But this guy doesn't ooze "The Red Viper" to me.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0050959/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

At first I thought the same but then I looked at some of the photos of him on IMDB and with longer hair, I think it could definitely work.

Taco John
06-28-2013, 08:08 PM
At first I thought the same but then I looked at some of the photos of him on IMDB and with longer hair, I think it could definitely work.

He's way too slender, IMO. Not hardly any muscle on him at all.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm441432064/nm0050959

Taco John
06-28-2013, 08:10 PM
On the other hand, they're going very "David and Goliath" on this one. It's going to be one hell of a scene.

myMind
06-28-2013, 10:45 PM
He's way too slender, IMO. Not hardly any muscle on him at all.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm441432064/nm0050959

Im not sure where you are coming from. In the books the viper is a slight sly man. He is not muscular, but sinewy and worn by the Dorne sun. I have no problem with the casting.

kappys
06-29-2013, 12:55 AM
On the other hand, they're going very "David and Goliath" on this one. It's going to be one hell of a scene.

I think you've got a good point. Plus its not like Oberyn needs to be much of an actor - he'll be in a handful of scenes total - if he can perform the fighting scene really well thats what counts

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
06-29-2013, 06:37 PM
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/xbEhByk4Icg?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

NSFW!

lolcopter
06-29-2013, 11:42 PM
not watching that, looks retartded

Taco John
06-30-2013, 12:00 AM
I actually got some good laughs out of it... I lost it at "Cave Sex"

SleepingTiger
07-02-2013, 07:45 AM
Holy cow. I'm blown away that people were disappointed in that episode. I loved it and thought it was pretty great. Between Asha going badass to rescue her little brother, and Arya going cold blooded killer, and Jon vs. Ygritte... And Varys pleading with Shae to leave... And that Tywin and Tyrion scene... and to end it on Myssa gave me chills.

I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. I'm shocked that there are people who felt let down.

I also loved this episode. I only didn't care for the myssa chanting, thought it was over dramatic.

How do u all feel about the relationship between tywin and tyrion? Tyrion always had this hate towards his dad. Knowing that tywin didn't kill tyrion because he was a lannister, do u think he has a new respect for his dad? I think tywin as much as he doesn't want to admit, knows tyrion is best suited to carry on the lannister name.

Johnykbr
07-02-2013, 09:18 AM
I also loved this episode. I only didn't care for the myssa chanting, thought it was over dramatic.

How do u all feel about the relationship between tywin and tyrion? Tyrion always had this hate towards his dad. Knowing that tywin didn't kill tyrion because he was a lannister, do u think he has a new respect for his dad? I think tywin as much as he doesn't want to admit, knows tyrion is best suited to carry on the lannister name.

I honestly don't think he does or he is just blinded by pure disgust or hatred of Tyrion. Tywin has always done what has needed to be done in order to come out on top. The fact that he doesn't in regards to Tyrion shows to me that he just doesn't value what he brings to the table. Which, as everyone knows, becomes his inevitable downfall.

Taco John
07-02-2013, 09:34 AM
I also loved this episode. I only didn't care for the myssa chanting, thought it was over dramatic.

How do u all feel about the relationship between tywin and tyrion? Tyrion always had this hate towards his dad. Knowing that tywin didn't kill tyrion because he was a lannister, do u think he has a new respect for his dad? I think tywin as much as he doesn't want to admit, knows tyrion is best suited to carry on the lannister name.

I think Tywin genuinely despises Tyrion for the death of Joanna, who he loved.

"Tywin ruled the Seven Kingdoms but he was ruled at home by his lady wife."

She was a Lannister too - his cousin. Very beautiful, very ambitious, and dead at the birthing of the demon dwarf. Add to that the relationships that Tywin had with his own father, whom he despised as weak - and even lecherous for betraying his wife for a whore. Tyrion has the same instincts for whoring.

I don't think Tyrion always hated his father. I think more than anything, he wanted his love and approval. Tywin will not give that up. He completely glossed over the incredible victory that Tyrion brought the family on the Blackwater. If Tyrion didn't do that, the castle would have fallen, and Tywin would have been completely screwed having to siege King's Landing.

I don't think Tyrion respects his father any more or less, and I don't think Tywin has it in him to see Tyrion as well suited to carry on the Lannister name.

Old Dude
07-02-2013, 01:22 PM
I don't think Tywin can accept Tyrion as a son, at all.

In their dialogue he tells him (and us, by extension) as much: "...and since I cannot prove that you are not my son..."

And the ironic thing is that Tyrion might be Tywin's only biological child. In the 5th book, Selmy tells Dary that her father (the mad king) lusted greatly after Joanna, that he made comments about exercising the King's Privilege to have sex with her on her wedding night and that rumors were that he indeed took some sort of indecent "liberties" with her during her "bedding" ceremony.

So, what if the rumors were true? Then, depending on the time frame, of which I'm not sure, Jamie and Cersei might not be Tywin's offspring at all. They might be half-siblings to Dary on their father's side. (And also half-siblings to Tyrion on their mother's side.)

The ramifications for the succession give me a headache.

SleepingTiger
07-03-2013, 09:30 AM
I think Tywin genuinely despises Tyrion for the death of Joanna, who he loved.

"Tywin ruled the Seven Kingdoms but he was ruled at home by his lady wife."

She was a Lannister too - his cousin. Very beautiful, very ambitious, and dead at the birthing of the demon dwarf. Add to that the relationships that Tywin had with his own father, whom he despised as weak - and even lecherous for betraying his wife for a whore. Tyrion has the same instincts for whoring.

I don't think Tyrion always hated his father. I think more than anything, he wanted his love and approval. Tywin will not give that up. He completely glossed over the incredible victory that Tyrion brought the family on the Blackwater. If Tyrion didn't do that, the castle would have fallen, and Tywin would have been completely screwed having to siege King's Landing.

I don't think Tyrion respects his father any more or less, and I don't think Tywin has it in him to see Tyrion as well suited to carry on the Lannister name.

I agree, tywin despises tyrion for he fact he killed his wife and that he is the demon monkey.

However, there were several events that tells me tywin has a new respect and knows that only tyrion is the only one suited to carry on the lannister name.

1. Tyrion was appointed as acting hand of the king. There were plenty of lannisters tywin could of appointed, why tyrion? Only because tyrion was the best suited.

2. Tyrion successful defense of kings landing. The use of fire liquid whatever it was called was brilliant. While joef ran, only tyrion held firm and defended the castle.

3. After tyrion tells joef that kings were dying like flies and joef wanted tyrion punished. It was tywin ended the punishment talk and put joef in his place. Tywin is pleased tyrion stands up to joef, unlike the queen.

4. After sending joef to bed, why did tywin wanted to talk with tyrion. He wanted to gauge tyrion understanding of the situation. Without any clues, tyrion knew who was ultimately responsible and the consiquences of the situation. It almost seems like tywin was trying to get tyrion approval for the red wedding.

DivineLegion
07-03-2013, 09:43 AM
By that Ragnarok theory, Jaime might be the PwwP. Would be amazing if he had to duel Brienne in trial by combat and then he runs her through and makes Lightbringer. Heads would explode.

The "Winter is Coming" being a threat instead of a warning is one of the coolest takes I've read on the series yet. The Starks being the unexpected villains.

Mind = Blown

Kaylore
07-03-2013, 11:02 AM
1. Tyrion was appointed as acting hand of the king. There were plenty of lannisters tywin could of appointed, why tyrion? Only because tyrion was the best suited.
Tywin was hedging his bets because he thought Jaime lost. He also knew that Tyrion could somewhat control prince poophead.

2. Tyrion successful defense of kings landing. The use of fire liquid whatever it was called was brilliant. While joef ran, only tyrion held firm and defended the castle.

No one really found out about this. The Spider is one of the few and it's his job to know everything.

3. After tyrion tells joef that kings were dying like flies and joef wanted tyrion punished. It was tywin ended the punishment talk and put joef in his place. Tywin is pleased tyrion stands up to joef, unlike the queen.
See number one. It doesn't mean he loves or wants his son to succeed him.


4. After sending joef to bed, why did tywin wanted to talk with tyrion. He wanted to gauge tyrion understanding of the situation. Without any clues, tyrion knew who was ultimately responsible and the consiquences of the situation. It almost seems like tywin was trying to get tyrion approval for the red wedding.

All of that is him controlling what he can. I think Tywin knows Tyrion isn't stupid and has his uses. But that doesn't remove the contempt he feels every time he looks at him. Tywin is the ultimate pragmatist. His goal is preserve the family name. Making his imp son the heir, assuming we knew nothing else about Tyrion, would hurt that name in some measure. Knowing what we do about his whoring and overall disdain for royalty (despite enjoying royal benefits) don't help. Factor in Tywin's personal feelings and there's no way.

JLesSPE
07-03-2013, 11:45 AM
By that Ragnarok theory, Jaime might be the PwwP. Would be amazing if he had to duel Brienne in trial by combat and then he runs her through and makes Lightbringer. Heads would explode.

The "Winter is Coming" being a threat instead of a warning is one of the coolest takes I've read on the series yet. The Starks being the unexpected villains.

Will you expound upon this please? I haven't seen that anywhere.

Drunk Monkey
07-03-2013, 05:06 PM
PwwP? sorry to ask, I swear I read the books....

Old Dude
07-03-2013, 06:45 PM
PwwP? sorry to ask, I swear I read the books....

PwwP = short for "the Prince Who Was Promised." (Don't ask me by who, but it has to do with some kind of prophesy concerning someone who is going to save the world or something like that.)

Jesterhole
07-03-2013, 10:34 PM
He's way too slender, IMO. Not hardly any muscle on him at all.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm441432064/nm0050959

Disagree. He's described like a snake in the books, and I think they nailed the casting here. Can't say the same for the Stark parents, but oh well.

You're right though, this is going to be one hell of a scene.

Jesterhole
07-03-2013, 10:36 PM
PwwP = short for "the Prince Who Was Promised." (Don't ask me by who, but it has to do with some kind of prophesy concerning someone who is going to save the world or something like that.)

Yeah, that haven't gotten into that much at all. That and the entire issue of John's parents, and Ned's promise that he kept. I'm sure it'll get woven in sometime though.

kappys
07-05-2013, 10:24 AM
Yeah, that haven't gotten into that much at all. That and the entire issue of John's parents, and Ned's promise that he kept. I'm sure it'll get woven in sometime though.

I think we'll see it becoming more emphasized when Stannis and Melisandra head to the wall. Assuming we are all right about R+L=J=PWWP. At that point she will take a lot of interest in Jon Snow. They've already made it abundantly clear that Melisandra believes Stannis to be Rhllor's chosen champion.

Old Dude
07-06-2013, 10:42 AM
Yeah, that haven't gotten into that much at all. That and the entire issue of John's parents, and Ned's promise that he kept. I'm sure it'll get woven in sometime though.

Here's a good summary of the issue concerning John's parents. But not work safe (language).



<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/c7yeYWax7EE?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Drunk Monkey
07-06-2013, 01:55 PM
Here's a good summary of the issue concerning John's parents. But not work safe (language).



<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/c7yeYWax7EE?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Thanks for that. I makes sense if John is the PwwP. I think I need to reread the series again. There is too much going on to get it all the first time through.

Drunk Monkey
07-06-2013, 01:56 PM
Also, I would do things to Comic Book Girl........deprived and dirty things

MagicHef
07-06-2013, 06:52 PM
PwwP and Azor Ahai reborn may not be the same person, remember. Melisandre thinks they are, but she has been wrong about many things. If they are not the same, I think Jon = AAR and Dany = PwwP. Aemon brought up the possibility of it actually being a Princess who was Promised.

broncolife
07-06-2013, 07:48 PM
Here's a good summary of the issue concerning John's parents. But not work safe (language).



<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/c7yeYWax7EE?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I hope that's true. I need start reading the books again. Too bad I forgot where I left off :(

myMind
07-06-2013, 09:10 PM
Here's a good summary of the issue concerning John's parents. But not work safe (language).



<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/c7yeYWax7EE?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

It feels weird to have this geeky subject and subsequent theory that I've analyzed for around a decade come from the mouth of this pink haired siren. The television show has inspired people to read the series. I am happy.

Taco John
07-20-2013, 01:19 AM
This is pretty awesome... Talk about putting the show into perspective.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/9m4ZPULXJKw?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

THE NORTH REMEMBERS!

Taco John
07-20-2013, 01:28 AM
George RR Martin at Comic Con:

Would Martin ever consider doing a prequel series chronicling the fall of the house of Targaryen?

He’s says he’s working on “Dreams of Spring” (book 7), and that while they showrunners are laying down the tracks, they’re not on top of him yet. He would consider a prequel, but the last two books will reveal all the twists and betrayals, so it would be a retread to go through Robert’s rebellion. Aegon and his sisters, and the Mad King could be material for prequels if he pursues them, but he won’t do the immediate precursors (no offense to Sean Bean, “who dies so well,” says Martin).

http://collider.com/comic-con-game-of-thrones-panel-recap/#more-269035

Fedaykin
07-20-2013, 04:31 AM
The problem with AA, PwwP is that there's no way Martin goes for that trope straight. He'll end up something completely different that expected -- or only live 30 seconds after being "unveiled".

Book it.

Boobs McGee
07-20-2013, 06:43 AM
George RR Martin at Comic Con:

Would Martin ever consider doing a prequel series chronicling the fall of the house of Targaryen?

He’s says he’s working on “Dreams of Spring” (book 7), and that while they showrunners are laying down the tracks, they’re not on top of him yet. He would consider a prequel, but the last two books will reveal all the twists and betrayals, so it would be a retread to go through Robert’s rebellion. Aegon and his sisters, and the Mad King could be material for prequels if he pursues them, but he won’t do the immediate precursors (no offense to Sean Bean, “who dies so well,” says Martin).

http://collider.com/comic-con-game-of-thrones-panel-recap/#more-269035

I've never written a novel (let alone a series), so maybe some of our resident writers here can shed some light on the subject. Why in the hell is he working on Dreams of Spring when he hasn't even finished the Winds of Winter??? GET CRACKIN GRRM!!! I want to reeeeeaaaaaaaaaaad!

IndelibleScribe
07-20-2013, 10:47 AM
I've never written a novel (let alone a series), so maybe some of our resident writers here can shed some light on the subject. Why in the hell is he working on Dreams of Spring when he hasn't even finished the Winds of Winter??? GET CRACKIN GRRM!!! I want to reeeeeaaaaaaaaaaad!

not a writer but often times they do that because the ideas start overflowing and they work on different works at the same time due to the ideas being fresh and wanting to make sure they don't lose them.
i've had friends who dabbled in writing, writer's block is a bitch!

Taco John
07-20-2013, 12:11 PM
I've never written a novel (let alone a series), so maybe some of our resident writers here can shed some light on the subject. Why in the hell is he working on Dreams of Spring when he hasn't even finished the Winds of Winter??? GET CRACKIN GRRM!!! I want to reeeeeaaaaaaaaaaad!


I think the point is, he's finished Winds of Winter. All that's left is the editing process. At least that's how I read it.

SleepingTiger
07-20-2013, 02:14 PM
Tywin was hedging his bets because he thought Jaime lost. He also knew that Tyrion could somewhat control prince poophead.


Either way, he appointed Tryion when he could of appointed others.


No one really found out about this. The Spider is one of the few and it's his job to know everything.

I haven't read the book, but from all accounts, the queen knows about it. So i'm sure Tywin knows about it. He also knows about the king sending the kings guard to kill Tyrion.


See number one. It doesn't mean he loves or wants his son to succeed him.

I never said Tywin wants Tyrion to succeed. Just because Tywin doesn't love or want Tyrion to succeed, he still has no choice but to choose Tyrion as his successor with the uncertainty of Jaime.


All of that is him controlling what he can. I think Tywin knows Tyrion isn't stupid and has his uses. But that doesn't remove the contempt he feels every time he looks at him. Tywin is the ultimate pragmatist. His goal is preserve the family name. Making his imp son the heir, assuming we knew nothing else about Tyrion, would hurt that name in some measure. Knowing what we do about his whoring and overall disdain for royalty (despite enjoying royal benefits) don't help. Factor in Tywin's personal feelings and there's no way.

whats worse, hurting the family name or having destroyed by choosing the wrong successor? He knows the queen isn't smart enough, joef is an idiot, jaime is probably dead. At this point Tywin has no choice. I think that is why he is gauging Tyrion.

Taco John
07-20-2013, 02:18 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/8pSSz_qfTog?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

El Guapo
07-22-2013, 07:32 AM
Thanks for posting those vids, TJ. The North Remembers!

Drunk Monkey
07-24-2013, 09:34 AM
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/comparison-star-wars-game-of-thrones-1.jpg


http://thechive.com/2013/07/24/and-now-a-quick-comparison-of-star-wars-and-game-of-thrones-11-photos/

Natedogg
07-24-2013, 09:44 AM
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/v9Mp8MzAjAY?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Books are so much better.

LRtagger
07-30-2013, 10:18 AM
For anyone interested, Amazon has the first 4 volumes of books on sale for $13.51. Good deal considering its normally about $40 for the set. I just bought one. Shipping is a couple dollars extra, but no tax.

http://www.amazon.com/Song-Ice-Fire-Vols-Thrones/dp/0345529057?t=slickdeals&tag=slickdeals&ascsubtag=41skOPk7EeKmhrZ5T1_aagh0w4_AXee3_0_0_0

Kaylore
07-30-2013, 12:37 PM
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/comparison-star-wars-game-of-thrones-1.jpg


http://thechive.com/2013/07/24/and-now-a-quick-comparison-of-star-wars-and-game-of-thrones-11-photos/

http://aliceisonline.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/ramsay-sausage.gif?w=470

Baba Booey
08-07-2013, 05:36 AM
Found my fantasy football team name: Demaryius Targaryen

SeedReaver
08-07-2013, 05:39 AM
Found my fantasy football team name: Demaryius Targaryen

Wow, that's really good haha

MagicHef
08-19-2013, 04:46 PM
Have you guys read the Dunk & Egg novellas?

Yes

Johnykbr
08-19-2013, 06:45 PM
Have you guys read the Dunk & Egg novellas?

Kind of a dumb question, the only version I could find was a graphic novel. Is there an actual story form of them? Even so I still enjoyed the first one.

MagicHef
08-19-2013, 09:00 PM
How did you feel about them?

I wasn't terribly into the first but loved two and three.

I also walked away with terribly mixed emotions regarding Bloodraven.

Yeah, just about the same as you, I think. They certainly have a different feel than the novels, but they give an interesting viewpoint to the whole series.

Taco John
08-19-2013, 11:21 PM
I liked all three. I'd like to go through them all again now that I've been through them once and see if I can find any hidden context. I'd specifically be looking for more clues on Bloodraven, who I believe is a vastly underrated and poorly understood character by the majority of the ASOIAF fandom.

For my part, I think Bloodraven is playing The Game on a whole different level, making the game for the Iron Throne quaint. It seems to me that the throne that Blood Raven is sitting on is the real center of power in Westeros, regardless of the politics happening between the houses. Though, admittedly, it's not completely clear what influence Bloodraven wields from that position outside of knowing virtually everything about the past and present.

This, of course, calls into question what is going on with Bran, who is seemingly being groomed for the position. I once made the statement that I think Bran, in the end, as a warg, might end up being Azor Ahai returned. It's a theory I turn over in my mind now and again. I don't know that I think that's the case anymore though - especially not until we find out what happens to Jon Snow (who really believes he's dead and gone for good?) In any case, I do think Bran has the potential to be The Prince That Was Promised with Jon having the potential to be Azor Ahai - which the question that I have is "are they on the same side?

This much I know, Bloodraven is using "magic" and he's pro-targaryen. Somewhere in the world is a magic wielder representing Rhollor, whose voice Varys heard during the penis pyre episode. This is where the real game is happening, I think... Between these two. And if they *ARE* moving chess pieces on the board, Bloodraven is clearly moving them for the Targaryen cause, where Rhollor is apparently backing Stannis. Which kind of screws with my mind in all sorts of ways when I start thinking about the implications of it all...

Johnykbr
08-20-2013, 09:51 AM
This much I know, Bloodraven is using "magic" and he's pro-targaryen

I'm very curious about this. What actions has he taken since he became the Three eyed crow that would still make him pro-Targaryan? I'm not arguing but I can't really think of any and you definitely know the series better than most people I've talked to.

Also, here's something else that I saw on another board that was being debated. Do you think the Children of the Forest are controlling Bloodraven or do you think he is controlling the remnants of them?

Taco John
08-20-2013, 11:47 AM
I'd buy Jaime Lannister as the PwwP long before Bran Stark.

Jamie is not even a prince, where Bran is.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-20-2013, 01:00 PM
Has nothing to do with nothing, but....
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1209393_10151619521722734_737447271_n.png
LOL

Taco John
08-20-2013, 01:20 PM
Bran is not and if Jon and Dany were huge red herrings, it would be super anticlimactic for the answer to be Bran.

Jaime, on the other hand, wouldn't be anti-climactic at all (I mean, how cool would be it be if in the trial by combat, Jaime runs Brienne through and creates Lightbringer?!?!). His story has been the greatest redemption story in the series thus far. Jaime might absolutely be a Targ since they allude that Aerys may have had liberties on the wedding night to Tywin, so Jaime is much more of a prince than Bran could possibly tie himself to at this point.

The closest plot twists you'll get with Bran are as either a Dragon "rider" via warging or as a possible candidate to be "The Great Other" (how cool would it be if "Winter Is Coming" was a threat and not a warning, all along?)

All very interesting points. I've considered that the twins were Targs myself, though Tywin's clear love for Jaime kind of shuttered that thought for me. I had often wondered if maybe Tyrion was a Targ, though that seems unlikely as well.

You're right that Bran being the PWWP would kind of screw up Jon Snow's storyline, but who knows if he's even coming back. I guess we all believe that he's going to get the kiss, or warg his way out of death somehow.

With any luck, we'll get the book next year... But how cool would it be if it was released this winter?

broncolife
08-20-2013, 09:02 PM
I think Snow is Azor Ahai. Once Melisandre realizes it, Stannis better watch out, because she going to suck all that kings blood out of him to awaken the stone dragon.

Taco John
08-20-2013, 09:59 PM
Bran is not and if Jon and Dany were huge red herrings, it would be super anticlimactic for the answer to be Bran.


I've been thinking about this, and I disagree that it would be anticlimactic. First of all, there's no promise that Jon Snow is coming back. Secondly, from everything I've read, The Prince Who Was Promised is not the same person as Azor Ahai. Thirdly, the story is chock full of red herrings, which is part of what makes it so good. And finally, I think it would be a huge climax to find out that Bran is the PwwP, and he started - I don't know - kicking ass through his warg abilities. I'm dying to know where this part (Bran) of the story is going.

I do like your theory on Jaime and Brienne though. And also, I don't take any theory too seriously - not even my own. I just like to explore the different possibilities. There is so much potential in this story still.

Taco John
08-20-2013, 10:04 PM
I'm very curious about this. What actions has he taken since he became the Three eyed crow that would still make him pro-Targaryan? I'm not arguing but I can't really think of any and you definitely know the series better than most people I've talked to.

Also, here's something else that I saw on another board that was being debated. Do you think the Children of the Forest are controlling Bloodraven or do you think he is controlling the remnants of them?

Hard to say. Despite some backstory by way of TTODAE all that we really know about Bloodraven is that he's climbed to power using magic, and has a long history of advancing the cause of the Targaryen bloodline.

Johnykbr
08-21-2013, 07:34 AM
He's been lead to where he is by Bloodraven and Bloodraven only and its pretty damn likely that Bloodraven just fed him Jojen Reed.

Did Jojen's greendream say his fate was "not going to be good" when he attempted to leave for Greywater Watch or when he actually got there?

Johnykbr
08-21-2013, 09:01 AM
Neither, really:



Meanwhile, the paste tasted like human blood... something Bran is familiar with through Summer and it's the only instance where Jojen doesn't say "This is not the day I die".

Certainly not 100% conclusive, but it's looking like Bloodraven dun fed Bran Jojen.

That would be a fantastic twist.

Taco John
08-22-2013, 01:51 AM
I'd distribute the odds:

99% Lancel Lannister
60% Jon Snow
30% Dany
10% Jaime



Fixed that for you... :)


(great theory on Jojen, btw... Quality stuff)

Drunk Monkey
08-23-2013, 06:06 PM
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/hq-dars-4.jpg

All Hail the Imp!

El Guapo
08-27-2013, 03:06 PM
Just going to toss this here, but just read Enders Game which is going to be a crappy (most likely) movie soon. It was a very quick, but good read and it's a three book series. I cant attest to the other two books yet.

elsid13
08-27-2013, 03:27 PM
Beloved fellow nerds, recommend some other books for me to read.

Raven's Shadow Book One: Blood Song (Raven's Shadow) by Anthony Ryan (really good, was self published on Kindle and now picked up and reprinted by professional publisher TOR)

The Night Angel Trilogy by Brent Weeks and his Lightbringer series.

Taco John
08-27-2013, 04:38 PM
Beloved fellow nerds, recommend some other books for me to read.

Do you like Sci-Fi? I am a fan of Pandora's Star by Peter F. Hamilton. It's a two book series - a little slow at first, but pretty cool once you get to the impact point.

Johnykbr
09-23-2013, 01:28 PM
Finally got into the Wheel of Time series...it's amazing how much Martin and especially J.K. Rowling took from Robert Jordan. But Jordan did borrow heavily from Tolkien as well...

Old Dude
10-01-2013, 12:06 PM
The Tome of Bill (all on kindle):
Vol. 1: Bill the Vampire
Vol. 2: Scary Dead Things
Vol. 3: The Mourning Woods
Vol. 4: Holier than Thou

Guaranteed to be addictive to nerds.

myMind
10-09-2013, 08:06 PM
Beloved fellow nerds, recommend some other books for me to read.

The Prince of Nothing trilogy by R. Scott Bakker is one I always recommend to people. In terms of world building (history as well) I have yet to read anything that comes close to the amount of detail he goes into. You'll also notice A LOT more philosophy than you would expect from a fantasy series. It's really been hit or miss with people I suggest it to. Definitely worth a read. Another cool aspect is that he is currently working on another trilogy that takes place in the same world as PoN twenty years later. I personally love his books and find them to be well worth the brainpower required to read them.

The Malazan Book of the Fallen by Steven Erikson is another awesome series that actually does kinda come close in scope to PoN's world building. Now that I sit and ponder, it might even surpass PoN, as MBotF clocks in around nine or ten books if I recall correctly. Great characters abound. Also well worth the read. Long, long books though.

...and if you havent read Frank Herbert's Dune series...do that too. Just stay away from the ****e his son wrote in that same universe.

El Guapo
10-10-2013, 03:05 AM
I've heard a lot of good things about Glenn Cooks' The Black Company. Has anyone read it or the series as a whole?

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
10-11-2013, 07:03 PM
http://io9.com/first-look-at-game-of-bones-the-x-rated-version-of-wes-1443984812

First Look at Game of Bones, the X-Rated Version of Westeros [NSFW!]
We've got a long wait until Game of Thrones returns next March... but fear not! Episodes of Game of Bones, the porn parody from director Lee Roy Myers, will start appearing on the Web in just a couple of weeks. (Including a female Joffrey!) We've got the first exclusive teaser and cast photos, plus an interview with Myers.

Scroll down to see cast photos for Game of Bones: Winter is Cumming, which debuts its first episode on WoodRocket.com on Oct. 25. Not pictured, according to Myers, are "pornified" versions of Varys, Tyrion Lannister, Jorah Mormont, and King Joffrey, "played by a legal-aged female."





http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/192w8nugrwl6yjpg/ku-xlarge.jpg


http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/192w89lgkblzojpg/ku-xlarge.jpg


http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/192w8gpyls2w9jpg/ku-xlarge.jpg

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/192w8m5apnw2sjpg/ku-xlarge.jpg

El Guapo
10-12-2013, 09:42 AM
Haha. I'm surprised that took this long...

In other news I picked up a couple bottles of Ommegang "Take the Black" (http://www.ommegang.com/got/take_the_black.php) beer the other day. Saving them for the return of the show. :D

Old Dude
10-13-2013, 06:25 AM
I've heard a lot of good things about Glenn Cooks' The Black Company. Has anyone read it or the series as a whole?

Yeah, I've read the whole series. I'd give it a B+ with higher grades for the first two or three books. Kind of like Wagon Train (with a core group of major characters and fluctuating lesser cast) - that is - if the Wagon Train was really a bunch of hardened mercenaries. Pretty good collection of villains and enough magic to make things tactically interesting.

Taco John
10-17-2013, 07:13 PM
Rev beat me to it... I thought that was pretty clever. Jimmy Whisper was awesome!

Bronco Yoda
10-18-2013, 01:20 PM
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/5Krz-dyD-UQ?feature=player_embedded" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Enjoyed that way too much. Music is pure genius.

Drunk Monkey
11-01-2013, 01:29 PM
So.... any one have any idea when Martin is going to get off his fat ass and give us the next book? I am half way through A Storm of Swords (again).

Taco John
11-01-2013, 02:35 PM
So.... any one have any idea when Martin is going to get off his fat ass and give us the next book? I am half way through A Storm of Swords (again).

I'm expecting it next winter. How can you release a book called "Winds of Winter" in Spring or Summer?

Fedaykin
11-02-2013, 12:12 AM
So.... any one have any idea when Martin is going to get off his fat ass and give us the next book? I am half way through A Storm of Swords (again).

thanks asshole

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/George+R.R+Newell_c96d40_4623894.png

;)

houghtam
11-02-2013, 05:26 PM
thanks a-hole

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/George+R.R+Newell_c96d40_4623894.png

;)

Not many left to kill...

Drunk Monkey
11-05-2013, 08:22 AM
thanks a-hole

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/George+R.R+Newell_c96d40_4623894.png

;)

You got me, I am trying to do Rickon in. With all his where's mommy and daddy, when are they coming home bla bla bla. Suck it up for christ sake. You are going to be 4 soon.

Drunk Monkey
11-05-2013, 08:23 AM
I'm expecting it next winter. How can you release a book called "Winds of Winter" in Spring or Summer?

Ugh, the wait is killing me.

Johnykbr
11-08-2013, 07:56 AM
You are going to be 4 soon.

LOL

Johnykbr
11-08-2013, 08:06 AM
If a writer wants to spend all his time writing about football in the fall, that's his decision to make

Football and freaking politics. I bet if someone cut off his cable and internet he would get the book out a year earlier.

Drunk Monkey
11-15-2013, 12:20 PM
Orrrrrrrrrrrrr we could just let him do what makes him happy and appreciate what enjoyment he brings us get whenever we get it

Na, I am all for locking him in a room with a typewriter. I need to know how the story ends. And hear it from Martin, not some plan B writer that picks up the story after he kicks.

I am glad I started reading WOT after Jordan passed. I probably would have lost it otherwise.

Johnykbr
11-21-2013, 11:41 AM
Na, I am all for locking him in a room with a typewriter. I need to know how the story ends. And hear it from Martin, not some plan B writer that picks up the story after he kicks.

I am glad I started reading WOT after Jordan passed. I probably would have lost it otherwise.

Martin doesn't seem to be joking when he says he doesn't want anyone to continue his novels if he kicks it before they are finished. I would be very upset if HBO was the conduit that finished it.

Johnykbr
11-21-2013, 11:46 AM
Orrrrrrrrrrrrr we could just let him do what makes him happy and appreciate what enjoyment he brings us get whenever we get it

I disagree. He wrote a massively successful series where he is being paid handsomely. I think he has an obligation to finish the story to the best of his abilities. If these were just novels on his website that anyone could read I would feel differently.

Johnykbr
12-10-2013, 01:33 PM
Apparently they have confirmed Craster's Keep will be in the 4th season...the rumor mill is coming up with some terrible stuff surrounding this.

elsid13
01-03-2014, 06:05 PM
I'm two books into the Accursed Kings series by Druon that Martin really praises as a major influence.

Anyone else into these?

I will check them out.

You should read Promise of Blood (The Powder Mage Trilogy) by Brian McClellan next. I bet you will like them.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
01-11-2014, 11:17 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/watch-five-vine-teasers-from-game-of-thrones-season-4-trailer-to-premiere-sunday/

A few vine teaser trailers. :)

Johnykbr
01-15-2014, 11:51 AM
I assume that showed (Stannis' army invading the North?)

Taco John
01-15-2014, 12:23 PM
Nerd chills! YOU RAPED HER! YOU MURDERED HER! YOU KILLED HER CHILDREN!

SonOfLe-loLang
01-15-2014, 01:08 PM
This blew my mind ... apparently this is NOT emilia clarke:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rygl12vKT7g#t=86

LRtagger
01-15-2014, 01:16 PM
Damn i need to get her digits

Drunk Monkey
01-22-2014, 05:43 PM
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/daily-gifs-mix-389-2.gif?w=310&h=299

StugotsIII
02-09-2014, 06:08 PM
The 15 minute preview gave me wood.

Old Dude
02-17-2014, 08:52 PM
Starting to wonder whether we'll see Coldhands in the TV series at all.

Looks like we will see Mereen as an independent city rather than having it just folded into Yunkai.

The actor who plays the mute executioner, Ilyn Payne (Wilko Johnson) has been diagnosed with terminal pancreatic cancer and has refused chemotherapy. See http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/01/11/game-thrones-actor-wilko-johnson-has-terminal-cancer-refuses-chemotherapy/ Might make an early exit.

The Battle at the Wall should be a blast.

I have no idea what they're doing with the whole Yara Greyjoy "rescue mission." I'm expecting a big shortcut from the novels.

Also expecting a huge collective orgasm from vindictive TV watchers around episode 3 or so.

Johnykbr
02-18-2014, 07:37 AM
Most of the casting reports have shown that Coldhands will not be in the show and considering how close they are to Bloodraven, I can agree the need is pretty much past. However, there is one source that has had a history of being right that says he will make an appearance. The question I have is whether LS will be in it.

It sounds like the purple wedding will be episode 2.

Pony Boy
02-18-2014, 07:51 AM
I guess the carpet doesn't match the drapes in the show?

randerson1184
02-18-2014, 08:39 AM
Guarantee she's a hardwood floor girl, anyway

The eyebrows typically indicate what the flooring situation is. Or so I've always believed.

Old Dude
02-18-2014, 11:32 AM
...
It sounds like the purple wedding will be episode 2.

Martin supposedly wrote Episode 2 of Season 4, so I'd say there's a pretty fair chance of that.

I'd be a little disappointed, because even though that makes a lot of sense in terms of the time frame in the books, I need a couple more episodes to remind me why Joff is such a creep.

v2micca
02-18-2014, 11:41 AM
Martin supposedly wrote Episode 2 of Season 4, so I'd say there's a pretty fair chance of that.

I'd be a little disappointed, because even though that makes a lot of sense in terms of the time frame in the books, I need a couple more episodes to remind me why Joff is such a creep.

Meh, I'm ready for them to get on with the plot. Honestly, seeing Jaime and Joffrey interact in the season 4 trailer just felt, off. I know why they did it, but I feel that dividing book three into two separate seasons ultimately hurt the narrative. There were several episodes that felt like padding, and the entirely unnecessary Theon torture arc likely only exists due to the spit season decision.

I still believe that Book 3 would have been much better served by a single 13 episode season instead of two 10 episode seasons.

Old Dude
02-20-2014, 04:46 AM
I've sort of resolved myself to the fact that the show is an adaptation and that as time goes on, it's going to drift ever further from the books. That's not necessarily a bad thing, because some formats are just better at different things.

At least they didn't take a short novel and turn it into three movies and 9-plus hours of an action film.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
02-20-2014, 04:56 AM
Meh, I'm ready for them to get on with the plot. Honestly, seeing Jaime and Joffrey interact in the season 4 trailer just felt, off. I know why they did it, but I feel that dividing book three into two separate seasons ultimately hurt the narrative. There were several episodes that felt like padding, and the entirely unnecessary Theon torture arc likely only exists due to the spit season decision.

I still believe that Book 3 would have been much better served by a single 13 episode season instead of two 10 episode seasons.


They have to extend the HBO series as long as they can. Martin's 6th book has been delayed into 2015 at the earliest. And he still has another book to do after that to wrap it all up.

With the pace they are on, they're going to catch up with him well before that last book comes out.

randerson1184
02-20-2014, 06:12 AM
They have to extend the HBO series as long as they can. Martin's 6th book has been delayed into 2015 at the earliest. And he still has another book to do after that to wrap it all up.

With the pace they are on, they're going to catch up with him well before that last book comes out.

Yeah, I'm pretty curious to see how this is going to play out.

I really want to see HBO make 2 or 3 seasons depicting (most of) the events of Robert's Rebellion to air while Martin finishes TWOW & ADOS. I know most fans would love to see Ned Stark again. Alternatively, HBO could make some episodes based on the Dunk & Egg novellas. Definitely not going to happen, but I can dream on!

v2micca
02-20-2014, 07:02 AM
They have to extend the HBO series as long as they can. Martin's 6th book has been delayed into 2015 at the earliest. And he still has another book to do after that to wrap it all up.

With the pace they are on, they're going to catch up with him well before that last book comes out.

I've kind of resigned myself to the fact that Weiss and Benisoff are going to finish writing the series and that by the end of the Television show it is going to end up playing more like a AU version of the Novels timeline.

As someone else mentioned, I would love to see HBO do a spin-off/prequel series following the events leading up to Robert's rebellion. As it is outlined more in Broad Strokes it would give the Show Runners a little more flexibility in constructing their own narrative. Actually, I could even see them doing this as a season 6 stall for time tactic while they wait for Martin to finish writing the series. It could even have some really cool setup for the following season if they decide to use the flashback season to reveal the mystery of John Snow's parentage.

ScottXray
02-20-2014, 08:08 AM
I only hope that HBO doesn't crap out on doing the series to its end.
Plus the fact that Time is Continuing to go by here in the real world and the actors are also aging, dying, changing etc.

It's expensive to do and if the public gets tired of it before Martin finally finishes the story they may just drop it and finish it off early. I doubt that , but they have killed great series before when the ratings drop.

Martin better not die!

Johnykbr
02-20-2014, 08:21 AM
I only hope that HBO doesn't crap out on doing the series to its end.
Plus the fact that Time is Continuing to go by here in the real world and the actors are also aging, dying, changing etc.

It's expensive to do and if the public gets tired of it before Martin finally finishes the story they may just drop it and finish it off early. I doubt that , but they have killed great series before when the ratings drop.

Martin better not die!

I'm not overly concerned about them killing off the show prematurely. It has been extremely profitable unlike Rome, Deadwood, or Carnivale. Even if ratings should slide a little, they would still be extraordinarily high compared to its competitors. HBO is even tacitly encouraging people to share HBO Go to get people addicted and buy the Blu-Rays.

My only concern is that if profits do slide, that they will half-ass some of the best moments like we have seen before.

Johnykbr
02-28-2014, 08:20 AM
Started reading The Princess and The Queen. That would make an excellent spin-off. It's a shame Martin is pretty adamantly against any prequels or what not.

Garcia Bronco
02-28-2014, 08:24 AM
Just watched the first 3 seasons over the past month. I am really excited for the next, but I think the thing that's **** about this series is nothing really happens from episode to episode. It's too effing slow, but the jerks have me hooked.

And why didn't the "Snark bitch" just go off with the Assassin? That was dumb. I would have been like "Laters" to Robert's bastard and the dough boy that became a baker.

24champ
02-28-2014, 09:52 AM
Interested to see what happens to Tyrion Lannister, he seems to be the most intelligent of the everyone in the show but ends up in the dungeon in season 4.

spdirty
02-28-2014, 09:52 AM
I'd love to see a Roberts rebellion prequel , start it off with the events that led to Tywin resigning as the hand.

Drunk Monkey
02-28-2014, 11:50 AM
Interested to see what happens to Tyrion Lannister, he seems to be the most intelligent of the everyone in the show but ends up in the dungeon in season 4.

There are big things in store for the little guy.

Garcia Bronco
02-28-2014, 12:53 PM
Interested to see what happens to Tyrion Lannister, he seems to be the most intelligent of the everyone in the show but ends up in the dungeon in season 4.

He gets top billing.

randerson1184
02-28-2014, 03:46 PM
I'd love to see a Roberts rebellion prequel , start it off with the events that led to Tywin resigning as the hand.

Man, it would be a huge hit. The fans would go crazy. It would also give HBO something to produce/air while Martin finishes up Winds of Winter in 2025.

elsid13
03-16-2014, 07:55 AM
Just a little Martin news as tries to figure out how he going to stop the show from catching up with the books

http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/george-r-r-martin-interview?mbid=social_twitter

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
03-16-2014, 03:50 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/p403x403/1898260_682591701803748_1681177464_n.jpg

Requiem
03-16-2014, 06:33 PM
Rootin' for te Stark family regardless. Not fair that they got **** canned like they did.

Bronc0guy
03-16-2014, 08:14 PM
Rootin' for te Stark family regardless. Not fair that they got **** canned like they did.

They will rise again, but it'll be a couple seasons from now

cutthemdown
03-16-2014, 08:28 PM
I hope dragon girl changes her mind and does some more nude scenes. Otherwise I guess we have to watch season 1 over again.

Johnykbr
03-17-2014, 07:08 AM
Just a little Martin news as tries to figure out how he going to stop the show from catching up with the books

http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/george-r-r-martin-interview?mbid=social_twitter

Pretty interesting he has changed his mind about a prequel season when he was very adamantly against it before.

elsid13
03-17-2014, 07:23 AM
Pretty interesting he has changed his mind about a prequel season when he was very adamantly against it before.

pressure must be getting to him.

Bronc0guy
03-17-2014, 11:08 AM
I hope dragon girl changes her mind and does some more nude scenes. Otherwise I guess we have to watch season 1 over again.

This is really all that matters

Drunk Monkey
03-17-2014, 11:22 AM
Just a little Martin news as tries to figure out how he going to stop the show from catching up with the books

http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/george-r-r-martin-interview?mbid=social_twitter

Good read. Thanks for posting.

Drunk Monkey
03-17-2014, 11:23 AM
I hope dragon girl changes her mind and does some more nude scenes. Otherwise I guess we have to watch season 1 over again.

Wait what??? No more Targarian boobies?

Drunk Monkey
03-17-2014, 11:43 AM
If True

http://i.imgur.com/BInENNm.gif?1

Garcia Bronco
03-17-2014, 11:47 AM
Rootin' for te Stark family regardless. Not fair that they got **** canned like they did.

I thought it was fair. They're the stupidest people in the place. I mean I expect some kind of return of them, but otherwise...dumb family starting with Ned and on down through his kids. His wife was the worst.

elsid13
03-17-2014, 04:05 PM
Just for the big nerd boys (yes Rev I looking at you)

https://tv.yahoo.com/blogs/tv-news/-game-of-thrones--and--lord-of-the-rings--connection--is-gandalf-s-sword-on-the-iron-throne-183844325.html

Johnykbr
03-17-2014, 05:31 PM
He seems to be taking shots at the show more often now. With his turn around on a prequel, I'm wondering if he is realizing that while his publishers might give him some time to write, HBO definitely won't.

SleepingTiger
03-20-2014, 08:25 AM
watched the trailer last night for s4, man i can't wait. Here is my list of fav characters and how i hope to see them develop in s4. remind you, i have not read the book.

IMP - by far my fav character. love the witty replies. I hope there is another scene where he dresses down the king in front of the masses. or maybe a scene with sansa!

Tywin - old guy is my second fav charactor. straight bad ass with the brains to go with it. it was kinda sad to see Tywin no longer interacting with Arya Stark. I thought they were perfect for each other. and please, let Tywin beat down on Joffrey.

Arya Stark - cute little girl with the brains and courage. was hoping she develop her skills with Jaqen and comes back to help restore the Stark. We all know Jon Snow is a idiot, Bran is a moron and Sansa only has looks. However, I am liking how she is interacting with the Hound.

Most hated characters:

Jon Snow - really? this guy is a moron. he plays the role of a hero, but is nothing more than an idiot.

any charactor involving Bran Stark: man, i fast forward every scene that involves him dreaming of the crow and whatever else he is involved in. way too much time developing his character. I just rather he be in the red wedding.

Melisandre - wow, i really hate her. maybe its because she is a red head and my ex is a red head. but i still like my ex. hmmm, because she is ugly?? dunno, wish davos would just kill her already.

Daenerys Targaryen - other than a few good boob scene, she falls flat. i mean really, the curtains don't match the carpet.

Robb Starks wife - she was only good for a nice boob scene, and she failed at that.

randerson1184
03-20-2014, 08:54 AM
My two favorite characters are Melisandre and Daenerys. Because boobs.

Kaylore
03-20-2014, 09:09 AM
Nuhhhh nuhhhh nuh nuh nuhhhh nuhhhh nuh nuh nuhhhhhhhhhh

Nuhhhh nuhhh nuh nuh nuhhhh nuhhhh nuh nuh nuhhhhhhhhhh

Nuhhhh nuhhhh nuh nuh nuhhhh nuhhhh nuh nuh nuhhhhhh

Nuhhhh nuhhh nuh nuh nuhhhh nuhhhh nuh nuh nuhhhhhhhhhh....


<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/IgcAh6jofmw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

v2micca
03-20-2014, 09:28 AM
I'm kind of curious as to how much of season three will be the back end of book three and how much they will incorporate elements from book 4 and 5.

If it is just book 3, there are going to be some characters who won't have much to do this season. Brienne springs to mind.

JLesSPE
03-20-2014, 09:41 AM
I've been reading the books again, last night I read the Tyrion/Sansa chapters from Joffrey's wedding. Maybe one of my favorite moments in the series.

Johnykbr
03-20-2014, 11:12 AM
I've been reading the books again, last night I read the Tyrion/Sansa chapters from Joffrey's wedding. Maybe one of my favorite moments in the series.

I went and reread that and the Red Wedding and realized how underwhelmed I was by the RW on the show. I mean it was still crazy but the book really made it known that a whole freaking kingdom was being destroyed. The Northmen at least put up a fight in the book while the show was pretty much like "eh, we've had a good run."

I'm hoping the Purple Wedding plays out well on screen.

cutthemdown
03-20-2014, 11:53 AM
The only time i get bummed on Game Of Thrones is when a direwolf gets killed lol.

Johnykbr
03-20-2014, 01:19 PM
I dunno. It was definitely different, and I think a lot of that is resource limitation, but I also really do think it was about as powerful in the show.

My girlfriend and I knew it was coming and were still speechlessly stunned through the Rains of Castamere during the final credits.

I mean... they shived an unborn baby.

No doubt about that and I liked how Cat grabbed the wife instead...but after I re-watched it I couldn't shake how the Northmen just stood there. I can understand that they didn't have the wolf running around like in the book because that would probably play out badly with CGI and what not but one of my favorite parts in the book was when Greatjon and others threw the table over Robb to protect him while still fighting guys off. You still knew it was hopeless but that made it all the more terrible in the book.

Kaylore
03-20-2014, 02:27 PM
I am curious if this will match up to the awesome that is Storm of Swords. We shall soon see....

Bronc0guy
03-20-2014, 02:32 PM
I can't wait for this season to start. Justified has let me down big time this season, but I don't think GoT will. Nfl draft, schedule release and GoT, hurry up April!

Old Dude
03-20-2014, 04:23 PM
...
My girlfriend and I knew it was coming and were still speechlessly stunned through the Rains of Castamere during the final credits.
...


But there wasn't any music during the final credits.

And yet, whenever I think back on it, I can hear that song too. Funny how the mind fills in context.

cutthemdown
03-20-2014, 05:11 PM
Man the wolf was supposed to go down fighting and they changed that in the HBO show? **** that i am pissed. That would have been way better.

If if you don't show it up close you could still do it. Just do it with sounds of the wolf going down with a fight, shadows etc. They don't always have to use CGI and spend money.

Sucks that in the show the wolf just sits in a cage and gets killed.

cutthemdown
03-20-2014, 05:12 PM
I can't wait for this season to start. Justified has let me down big time this season, but I don't think GoT will. Nfl draft, schedule release and GoT, hurry up April!

Walking Dead ends, GOT starts up. I just need one show to watch as TV not a huge part of my life. I do like having 1 or 2 shows though.

Drunk Monkey
03-21-2014, 07:22 AM
The show nailed the ending. That was one of the most dramatic WTF moments in television ever. I don't understand how some people actually have a problem with it.

So far the show is doing a pretty good job of honoring the books. There have been some down episodes but that is true of most shows.

Old Dude
03-21-2014, 08:16 AM
...
Sucks that in the show the wolf just sits in a cage and gets killed.

On the other hand, it was a nice analog for Robb, who did the same thing.

v2micca
03-21-2014, 08:50 AM
The show nailed the ending. That was one of the most dramatic WTF moments in television ever. I don't understand how some people actually have a problem with it.

So far the show is doing a pretty good job of honoring the books. There have been some down episodes but that is true of most shows.

I've actually been thinking about this concept when it comes to adaptations. I kind of believe that regardless of the love that Benioff and Weiss express for the source material, there is the slightest bit of chaffing at the bit by restrictions placed on them by that same source material. I think given the choice, they would have loved to have kept Renly and developed him into a main character. With each passing season, it feels like they are making more changes not in the name of streamlining for television, or budget constraints, but simply because they are taking every opportunity to take a greater ownership of the narrative.

I mean, this is probably a normal reaction for any director worth a damn. As much as I enjoyed the films Peter Jackson didn't make J.R. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings, he made Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings. Benioff and Weiss are doing the same thing.

Taco John
03-21-2014, 09:03 AM
Guys check this out:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/game-thrones-movies-eyed-by-689629

It's an article about maybe having the finale of the show be a movie instead, but there's a much more exciting part casually mentioned for those of us that are ASOIAF nerds (Referring to the Dunk and Egg prequels):

"They could be the basis for [a film]," Martin added at the post-premiere bash held at the Museum of Natural History, where a suspended giant whale cast a shadow over the crowd not unlike one of Martin's dragons. "I have written these three stories, and I have about a dozen more."

Why's he withholding?!?!?!?

I think he's witholding because a big part of ASOIAF in the next two books is going to center around Blood Raven and he doesn't want to give too much away.

JLesSPE
03-21-2014, 09:12 AM
Amazing answer. 5 stars.

I'm still hopeful the entire series has been a red herring and that

Blood Raven is bad (additionally evil vibe in the novellas)
The Starks are bad ("Winter is Coming" is a threat not a warning)
Jaime Lannister is the PwwP

I think those are really cool but probably infuriating angles to work into.

Ignoring all that, as far what SEEMS to be the projected plot path (Jon Snow as AA, etc), I still have no idea how Arya Stark, the Sand Snakes, or Littlefinger play out.

I'm hopeful the Mountain kills the Hound in the obvious upcoming battle of Cleganes for Cersei/Margaery, and Arya kills the Mountain and the Red Viper v Mountain was a foreshadowing to his weakness of a light, fast opponent and after killing the Hound, the mountain will be even higher on her list and a likely barrier to her getting her hands on Cersei Lannister.

I just want the last 2 books to be out so I know how the hell this thing ends. I need closure.

randerson1184
03-21-2014, 09:26 AM
I think he's witholding because a big part of ASOIAF in the next two books is going to center around Blood Raven and he doesn't want to give too much away.

Dude! That never occured to me. I think you're exactly right.

Kaylore
03-21-2014, 09:30 AM
Guys check this out:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/game-thrones-movies-eyed-by-689629

It's an article about maybe having the finale of the show be a movie instead, but there's a much more exciting part casually mentioned for those of us that are ASOIAF nerds (Referring to the Dunk and Egg prequels):

"They could be the basis for [a film]," Martin added at the post-premiere bash held at the Museum of Natural History, where a suspended giant whale cast a shadow over the crowd not unlike one of Martin's dragons. "I have written these three stories, and I have about a dozen more."

Why's he withholding?!?!?!?

I don't understand Martin. I get that many creative geniuses are eccentric, but the dude is the stingiest writer I've ever heard of. I think it's one part perfectionist and two parts easily-distracted. If he's not editing it fifty times, he's whining about who the Jets drafted on his blog.

Johnykbr
03-21-2014, 09:33 AM
Amazing answer. 5 stars.

I'm still hopeful the entire series has been a red herring and that

Blood Raven is bad (additionally evil vibe in the novellas)
The Starks are bad ("Winter is Coming" is a threat not a warning)
Jaime Lannister is the PwwP

I think those are really cool but probably infuriating angles to work into.

Ignoring all that, as far what SEEMS to be the projected plot path (Jon Snow as AA, etc), I still have no idea how Arya Stark, the Sand Snakes, or Littlefinger play out.

I'm hopeful the Mountain kills the Hound in the obvious upcoming battle of Cleganes for Cersei/Margaery, and Arya kills the Mountain and the Red Viper v Mountain was a foreshadowing to his weakness of a light, fast opponent and after killing the Hound, the mountain will be even higher on her list and a likely barrier to her getting her hands on Cersei Lannister.

Where are you getting this upcoming battle of the Cleganes? It seems pretty much accepted that the Mountain is Robert Strong but if The Hound is actually the Gravedigger and has embraced that, why would he fight?

Taco John
03-21-2014, 09:46 AM
I don't know that I would call Blood Raven bad or good (Dunk and Egg stories paint him as bad, but the ASOIAF stories paints him as benevolent). I think that's part of the narrative - it's all based on perspective. But a few things stick out at me that I would like some sort of closure on:

Religions and Magic - As far as I can tell there are only two religions that have any sort of "magic" or "power" that work in their favor. One being R'hollor and the Red Religion (there's not an actual name for it, is there?), and the other being the Old Gods and their NSA spy network of trees and animals (drones, lol). The religion of the Seven seems to me to be more of an institution used for controlling the masses, and less of one that demonstrates any supernatural ability.

So stepping back, there are two figures at the top of these religions: R'hollor himself (itself?), which, if I'm not mistaken, we got a glimpse of when the priest castrated Varys and spoke to "Him" through the fire. And it's said his antithesis is the "Great Other," the god of Ice and death.

So what (and who) is Blood Raven in this mix? As far as I can tell, Blood Raven is the most powerful man in Westeros and sits on the true throne of power there. In Kings Landing, it's just political theatre, with Blood Raven being the chief architect. What's not clear is just how deep his influence is. I HAS to be pretty deep. Knowing what we know about Blood Raven from the D&E stories, we know he lusts power, and wouldn't give any up to be a powerless monk somewhere. And finally, does Blood Raven serve "The Great Other." Or is he it? Is the person on that throne the acting Great Other?

Taco John
03-21-2014, 09:49 AM
This, of course, leads to the question of Bran. Which is something I've been playing with for a long time. My theory is that it is Bran who is the Prince who is Promised, and it's not the Iron Throne, but the one that Blood Raven sits on (and that Bran is set to inherit) that matters.

Taco John
03-21-2014, 10:00 AM
I don't understand Martin. I get that many creative geniuses are eccentric, but the dude is the stingiest writer I've ever heard of. I think it's one part perfectionist and two parts easily-distracted. If he's not editing it fifty times, he's whining about who the Jets drafted on his blog.

We're not meant to understand geniuses. We're meant to enjoy them for how smart they make us feel as we bask in their light.

I fricken love GRRM...

Taco John
03-21-2014, 10:04 AM
And for the record, I don't think we're going to see Clegane for the rest of the story. I think GRRM is going to leave that one where it is, and a hundred years from now people will be arguing over the mystery of whether Clegane is the grave digger or not.

Bronc0guy
03-21-2014, 10:15 AM
Walking Dead ends, GOT starts up. I just need one show to watch as TV not a huge part of my life. I do like having 1 or 2 shows though.

I watched the first 2 episodes of this new walking dead season, and I think I'm over it. I can only watch zombies chase people around, while those people argue with each other about how to survive for so long. I've heard it's gotten better these last couple episodes, maybe I'll go back and finish it.

Kaylore
03-21-2014, 10:22 AM
I watched the first 2 episodes of this new walking dead season, and I think I'm over it. I can only watch zombies chase people around, while those people argue with each other about how to survive for so long. I've heard it's gotten better these last couple episodes, maybe I'll go back and finish it.

It has. Season 3 was pretty bad. I felt like a lot of the writers were mailing it in. The last few episodes have been outstanding. That said, I hope the series is over after next season. They need to do like breaking bad and just go 5 seasons.

Taco John
03-21-2014, 10:24 AM
I couldn't get past the first episode of Walking Dead. I was interested until they showed the guy's partner kissing his wife. Zombies are roaming the earth, her husband is likely freshly deceased - or who knows, could possibly be alive, and somehow they've managed to kindle a romance amidst it all. I can't stand such contrivances...

Johnykbr
03-21-2014, 10:25 AM
It has. Season 3 was pretty bad. I felt like a lot of the writers were mailing it in. The last few episodes have been outstanding. That said, I hope the series is over after next season. They need to do like breaking bad and just go 5 seasons.

Notice there was no Carl in the last few episodes. Carl, just like almost all young child actors, ruins shows.

Taco John
03-21-2014, 10:27 AM
If the zombie apocalypse ever happens, every vagina within a 1000 mile radius of a zombie will dry up and turn to dust.

Bronc0guy
03-21-2014, 10:27 AM
It has. Season 3 was pretty bad. I felt like a lot of the writers were mailing it in. The last few episodes have been outstanding. That said, I hope the series is over after next season. They need to do like breaking bad and just go 5 seasons.

I thought season 3 was pretty shabby. The first half of season 4 was boring till the governor started his rampage. I'll take your word for it, and go back and get caught up on these last 3-4 episodes before Sunday.

2KBack
03-21-2014, 10:28 AM
If the zombie apocalypse ever happens, every vagina within a 1000 mile radius of a zombie will dry up and turn to dust.

no way, we are humans....any apocalypse will include so much boning.

Bronc0guy
03-21-2014, 10:29 AM
Notice there was no Carl in the last few episodes. Carl, just like almost all young child actors, ruins shows.

I HATE Carl. "Zombie inside got my shoe but it didn't get me". I was hoping the little bastard would choke on that pudding.

Bronc0guy
03-21-2014, 10:31 AM
I couldn't get past the first episode of Walking Dead. I was interested until they showed the guy's partner kissing his wife. Zombies are roaming the earth, her husband is likely freshly deceased - or who knows, could possibly be alive, and somehow they've managed to kindle a romance amidst it all. I can't stand such contrivances...

Yea, I didn't much care for that storyline either. I mean give it some time, sheesh.

Kaylore
03-21-2014, 10:33 AM
Yea, I didn't much care for that storyline either. I mean give it some time, sheesh.

I had zero problem with that. They were friends and she thought he was dead. It's pretty accurate for what people do in those situations as well especially when there's already a friendship.

Taco John
03-21-2014, 10:39 AM
I had zero problem with that. They were friends and she thought he was dead. It's pretty accurate for what people do in those situations as well especially when there's already a friendship.

Do you think that your wife, within two weeks of losing you to a Zombie Apocalypse, would be making out with your best friend?

Garcia Bronco
03-21-2014, 10:41 AM
If the zombie apocalypse ever happens, every vagina within a 1000 mile radius of a zombie will dry up and turn to dust.

There will bo No zombie apocalypse. The one you have to worry about is the robot apocalypse.

Taco John
03-21-2014, 10:47 AM
Did you see "her"? For a while I thought it was going to end up like Terminator.

This is the first sentence I've read that makes that show look even remotely appealing to me. Now I'm intrigued...

Drunk Monkey
03-21-2014, 11:32 AM
We all should pitch in for a nutritiousness and a trainer to follow him around. I worry about him pulling a Jordan.

broncolife
03-21-2014, 12:40 PM
I HATE Carl. "Zombie inside got my shoe but it didn't get me". I was hoping the little bastard would choke on that pudding.

My family and I were cheering for the zombie to get him. I hate that little turd.

Bronc0guy
03-21-2014, 01:27 PM
Did anyone see Emilia Clarke on Jimmy Fallon the other night?

I hate talk shows... they never actually talk about anything.

I did. She's one of the few natural brunettes who I think actually look better blonde.

Bronc0guy
03-21-2014, 01:29 PM
My family and I were cheering for the zombie to get him. I hate that little turd.

Really can't stand his character, and I don't think the kid who plays him is a very strong actor.

robbieopperude
03-22-2014, 05:50 PM
Just about finished book 5. What other books should I read that can help me get by until book 6. I noticed their is a 2 book series about Duncan and Egg. Is that where you are getting some of your other details on characters or are there others I should get?

Drunk Monkey
04-03-2014, 08:16 AM
http://screenrant.com/game-of-thrones-books-6-7-writers-release-date/

Yay he is going to finally get it done. Booo that it is not all coming from his own hand.




The last four years have been a whirlwind of excitement for me and throughout all of it I’ve kept writing. As many of my readers know I always envisioned a grand finale for my adventures in Westeros. Now, thanks to HBO, we’ve been able to share my beloved characters with more people than I could possibly imagine. But it also created an immense pressure to get the last two books written. I’ve met with the producers multiple times and they’ve always known the broad strokes of the series, who will die and who will win – all the while I’ve been steadily putting one word after another. However, a few months ago while watching early scenes from season 4, I had to admit that if I wanted to get these books done, I was going to need some help. I didn’t want (you) readers, who have been with me since the beginning, to have to choose between watching the show or waiting for me to finish the books. At the same time, I didn’t want to rush my writing just to get it done. In full admittance, ‘The Winds of Winter’ chapter I released last week is a sample of this new collaborative effort that will help me to release the final two installments in a ‘A Song of Ice and Fire’ in the coming years. It wasn’t easy to give up control over every word, but I truly feel it’s in the best interest of my readers. I’m still writing the broad strokes, now I just have a little help filling in the details. I look forward to sharing more chapters of “The Winds Of Winter” in the coming weeks, and hope to release the book later this year.

Johnykbr
04-03-2014, 08:35 AM
http://screenrant.com/game-of-thrones-books-6-7-writers-release-date/

Yay he is going to finally get it done. Booo that it is not all coming from his own hand.




The last four years have been a whirlwind of excitement for me and throughout all of it I’ve kept writing. As many of my readers know I always envisioned a grand finale for my adventures in Westeros. Now, thanks to HBO, we’ve been able to share my beloved characters with more people than I could possibly imagine. But it also created an immense pressure to get the last two books written. I’ve met with the producers multiple times and they’ve always known the broad strokes of the series, who will die and who will win – all the while I’ve been steadily putting one word after another. However, a few months ago while watching early scenes from season 4, I had to admit that if I wanted to get these books done, I was going to need some help. I didn’t want (you) readers, who have been with me since the beginning, to have to choose between watching the show or waiting for me to finish the books. At the same time, I didn’t want to rush my writing just to get it done. In full admittance, ‘The Winds of Winter’ chapter I released last week is a sample of this new collaborative effort that will help me to release the final two installments in a ‘A Song of Ice and Fire’ in the coming years. It wasn’t easy to give up control over every word, but I truly feel it’s in the best interest of my readers. I’m still writing the broad strokes, now I just have a little help filling in the details. I look forward to sharing more chapters of “The Winds Of Winter” in the coming weeks, and hope to release the book later this year.

I am actually totally fine with this as long as he still has complete control over direction.

Still, it will be such a shame to lose all the filler pages describing food and awkward sexual encounters........

Drunk Monkey
04-03-2014, 09:14 AM
You guys realize that's an old April Fools article, right?

****!!!

bronco militia
04-03-2014, 09:31 AM
last night the wife caught up on the series with Xfinity's Watchathon. I really haven't watched anyof the series since the first year and I caught the middle of the Red Wedding episode....

:cuss: :cuss:

just when I thought I might like to get into the show again. seriously, this is one ****ed up show that knows how to kill off the good characters

:cuss:

;D

Kaylore
04-03-2014, 09:40 AM
last night the wife caught up on the series with Xfinity's Watchathon. I really haven't watched anyof the series since the first year and I caught the middle of the Red Wedding episode....

:cuss: :cuss:

just when I thought I might like to get into the show again. seriously, this is one ****ed up show that knows how to kill off the good characters

:cuss:

;D

You should have seen it coming. Martin's world is one in which making stupid decisions, especially for lame reasons (IE Violating your marriage vows because you fall for a hot nurse, or capturing another house's son because you think he might own a knife and that may mean he threw your son out a window). The wedding was so sappy and everything was too good to be true - especially for Frey.

Bronc0guy
04-03-2014, 09:46 AM
You should have seen it coming. Martin's world is one in which making stupid decisions, especially for lame reasons (IE Violating your marriage vows because you fall for a hot nurse, or capturing another house's son because you think he might own a knife and that may mean he threw your son out a window). The wedding was so sappy and everything was too good to be true - especially for Frey.

I don't read the books, but I saw the massacre coming from a mile away. While it was shockingly brutal, none of the deaths that occurred really slow the plot down any. I won't miss Rob Stark or his mom, at all. Now if Arya or Jon Snow had died, different story.

bronco militia
04-03-2014, 10:15 AM
You should have seen it coming. Martin's world is one in which making stupid decisions, especially for lame reasons (IE Violating your marriage vows because you fall for a hot nurse, or capturing another house's son because you think he might own a knife and that may mean he threw your son out a window). The wedding was so sappy and everything was too good to be true - especially for Frey.

i should have seen what coming? i haven't watched the show in 2 years.

ZZZ...

Johnykbr
04-03-2014, 11:27 AM
You guys realize that's an old April Fools article, right?

...I ****ing hate you guys right now

http://videogamewriters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Angry-Cartman.jpg

24champ
04-03-2014, 11:51 AM
his Sunday, 114 million global HBO subscribers and roughly 250 million web-savvy HBO non-subscribers will join hands and avail themselves of the fourth-season premiere of Game of Thrones, a quasi-medieval Prestige Cable Network Battle of the T's and A's with way more T's, A's, leering ultraviolence, peripheral characters whose plot functions let alone names I will never remember, and childish nihilism. I will be watching as well, grudgingly, as I've just absolutely had it with at least three of those five core ingredients; the lurid close-up of a pregnant lady receiving multiple stab wounds pretty much did it for me. But hang in I shall, for I intend to see King Joffrey get brutally murdered.

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/die-already-king-joffrey-1553896997/+tcraggs22?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebo ok&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Haven't read the books but this is exactly where I'm at.

bronco militia
04-03-2014, 11:53 AM
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/die-already-king-joffrey-1553896997/+tcraggs22?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebo ok&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Haven't read the books but this is exactly where I'm at.



but beyond that, I got no idea what happens to anybody, and who cares. I just want to see King Joffrey get brutally murdered

bingo :thumbsup:

underrated29
04-03-2014, 12:07 PM
I don't read the books, but I saw the massacre coming from a mile away. While it was shockingly brutal, none of the deaths that occurred really slow the plot down any. I won't miss Rob Stark or his mom, at all. Now if Arya or Jon Snow had died, different story.






Remember this post....... (and not for the reasons you are probably thinking)

Kaylore
04-03-2014, 01:04 PM
I don't read the books, but I saw the massacre coming from a mile away. While it was shockingly brutal, none of the deaths that occurred really slow the plot down any. I won't miss Rob Stark or his mom, at all. Now if Arya or Jon Snow had died, different story.

http://media1.giphy.com/media/dOxMHecx24CY/giphy.gif

cutthemdown
04-04-2014, 11:25 AM
I love how at the end of the Rains Of Castmere Frey and Bolton are talking and they say.

Frey- He called himself the young wolf.
Bolton- Forever young!
Frey-Howling like a wolf!

****ing classic could you hate those 2 anymore?

Garcia Bronco
04-04-2014, 11:35 AM
I don't read the books, but I saw the massacre coming from a mile away. While it was shockingly brutal, none of the deaths that occurred really slow the plot down any. I won't miss Rob Stark or his mom, at all. Now if Arya or Jon Snow had died, different story.

I agree...The worst Stark of the lot was the mother...almost as bad Cersi. Cersi is just better at being sneaky

Kaylore
04-04-2014, 11:43 AM
I agree...The worst Stark of the lot was the mother...almost as bad Cersi. Cersi is just better at being sneaky

Her hatred of everyone and everything frees her in ways Cat Stark never can be.

Garcia Bronco
04-04-2014, 11:47 AM
Her hatred of everyone and everything frees her in ways Cat Stark never can be.

Yeah...that's a better way to put it.

In season one she has utter contempt for John Snow..and then in season 3 crying about how she begged Ned to name him....bull****. I haven't read the books and probably won't....but anyway

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
04-06-2014, 07:42 AM
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/Cbal9k-ZifA?feature=player_embedded" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Bronc0guy
04-06-2014, 10:24 PM
What did y'all think? Arya has turned into a cold little b****, and I'm thinking this homosexual prince may crack some skulls this season. A great season opener IMO.

broncolife
04-06-2014, 10:27 PM
I thought the hound was hilarious eating his chicken

Bronc0guy
04-06-2014, 10:31 PM
I thought the hound was hilarious eating his chicken

Don't you mean every chicken in the place???

Archer81
04-06-2014, 10:37 PM
What did y'all think? Arya has turned into a cold little b****, and I'm thinking this homosexual prince may crack some skulls this season. A great season opener IMO.


The violence Arya displayed was worse to me then what the Hound did. He was in a fight, he killed quickly. Arya did defend the Hound, but her kills were slow. I dont think inexperience had anything to do with it. She was being slow deliberately. That is a level of cruelty she has been pushed to.


:Broncos:

Bronc0guy
04-06-2014, 10:42 PM
The violence Arya displayed was worse to me then what the Hound did. He was in a fight, he killed quickly. Arya did defend the Hound, but her kills were slow. I dont think inexperience had anything to do with it. She was being slow deliberately. That is a level of cruelty she has been pushed to.


:Broncos:

No doubt. She has seen her father killed, and her brothers body ridiculed and mutilated shortly after his demise. She has been pushed into this level of cruelty, given away by the satisfaction in her eyes shortly after doing these deeds. I love her character, but her innocent quality that made her so lovable is almost gone.