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underrated29
04-02-2013, 11:47 AM
They're all dead meat. Martin immunized me to caring too deeply about any of his characters because he kills them all.



It is known.

JLesSPE
04-02-2013, 11:59 AM
My favorite character got shanked at the end of book 5. Stupid cliff hangers...

Taco John
04-02-2013, 03:46 PM
Anybody know the one word Brienne shouts at the close of AFFC? Or is it supposed to be open to speculation?

I believe it's "SWORD!"

StugotsIII
04-02-2013, 06:19 PM
I wouldn't be too concerned about that

You think that character pulled a six skins?

Pontius Pirate
04-02-2013, 06:37 PM
I was able to go to the GoT premiere recently in SF. Sat right in front of the producers and the cast. GRRM and the producers did a roundtable discussion afterwards. It was dope

Drunk Monkey
04-02-2013, 06:42 PM
You think that character pulled a six skins?

I hope so, Martin still surprised me with that one.........Bastard

Fedaykin
04-02-2013, 07:38 PM
Tried out Vikings based on what some people here an in TWD thread said. It's pretty good. Best part is Lagertha. Smokin' hot and kicks ass.

elsid13
04-02-2013, 07:54 PM
Tried out Vikings based on what some people here an in TWD thread said. It's pretty good. Best part is Lagertha. Smokin' hot and kicks ass.

It is my go to show right now.

Taco John
04-02-2013, 07:57 PM
Either that or Mel will Thoros/Dondarrion him

This is what I thought would originally happen - but then why would Martin include the Sixskins chapter at all (except as foreshadowing)?

myMind
04-02-2013, 08:29 PM
This is what I thought would originally happen - but then why would Martin include the Sixskins chapter at all (except as foreshadowing)?

Jon is too important a character to spend the rest of the series as a direwolf. That would be silly.

Old Dude
04-02-2013, 09:29 PM
After season 3 premier scored series high ratings, GoT officially renewed by HBO today for season 4.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/04/02/game-of-thrones-renewed-4-season/

Taco John
04-02-2013, 09:34 PM
Jon is too important a character to spend the rest of the series as a direwolf. That would be silly.

You might have forgotten that Sixskins warged into a human, not an animal.

Old Dude
04-03-2013, 09:05 AM
As time goes on, it's going to get harder to make predictions about the TV series on the basis of what happened in the books.

Martin and the producers have already said that time and budget constraints have dictated some changes and Martin noted that even small changes in sequence or minor characters early in the story have a butterfly effect for events later on.

Recently, Sophia Turner (Sansa Stark) told an interviewer that readers of the book will be "super-shocked" concerning one or more developments in Season 3.

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2013/04/game-thrones-season-3-preview/

Of course, her definition of "super-shocked" might be different than ours, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see entire plot lines eliminated by killing off one or more secondary characters who they just don't have time to deal with.

Kaylore
04-03-2013, 09:15 AM
How do the spoiler tags work?

Old Dude
04-03-2013, 09:28 AM
Spoiler: (go advanced and then select white as the font color for whatever you want to hide.)

Edit: On the other hand, if the question is what we should be allowed to "spoil" I'd try to avoid discussing in the open anything that hasn't happened yet in the series.

Kaylore
04-03-2013, 09:32 AM
Spoiler: (go advanced and then select white as the font color for whatever you want to hide.)

Edit: On the other hand, if the question is what we should be allowed to "spoil" I'd try to avoid discussing in the open anything that hasn't happened yet in the series.

Oh. I thought it was a feature in posting UI. lol nevermind!

JLesSPE
04-03-2013, 09:32 AM
Spoiler: (I wonder if Sansa will kill Joff instead of introducing Margery's grandmother. ) I really can't wait for this season to play out.

Old Dude
04-03-2013, 09:44 AM
Spoiler: (I wonder if Sansa will kill Joff instead of introducing Margery's grandmother. ) I really can't wait for this season to play out.

Spoiler: (Diana Rigg has already been cast as the grandmother and the preview for episode 2 of season 3 shows her interrogating Sansa about what kind of person Joffrey is. Of course, anything could still happen from there.)

JLesSPE
04-03-2013, 09:47 AM
Spoiler: (Diana Rigg has already been cast as the grandmother and the preview for episode 2 of season 3 shows her interrogating Sansa about what kind of person Joffrey is. Of course, anything could still happen from there.)

Spoiler: (Nice! I can't wait to see that little prick clawing at his throat with his mother trying to save him. That will be such a powerful scene.)

Taco John
04-03-2013, 10:51 AM
There are spoiler tags. Simply open and close them around the spoiler.

[ spoiler ] [ /spoiler ]

myMind
04-03-2013, 03:25 PM
You might have forgotten that Sixskins warged into a human, not an animal.

Oh yeaaahh. I was confusing Six skins with the warg wildling Jon killed and was trapped in the eagle. What was his name, Oren...or something. I forget who sixskins warged into, remind me?

Johnykbr
04-04-2013, 07:55 AM
Spoiler: (I wonder if Sansa will kill Joff instead of introducing Margery's grandmother. ) I really can't wait for this season to play out.

Everything I've read has made it pretty clear that won't happen until season 4. Even then, my guess is on Littlefinger since they seem to make him all-powerful and in on everything on the show.

Johnykbr
04-04-2013, 08:01 AM
Either that or Mel will Thoros/Dondarrion him

My guess is that he wargs into Ghost or whatever while Mel does her thing. That way he isn't all jacked up mentally like Baric or Catelyn when he wargs back

SleepingTiger
04-04-2013, 09:04 AM
anybody got a good stream for season 3. i just watched seasons 1 and 2 last couple of days. i got myself hooked!

MagicHef
04-04-2013, 09:11 AM
anybody got a good stream for season 3. i just watched seasons 1 and 2 last couple of days. i got myself hooked!

PMd

spdirty
04-04-2013, 09:40 AM
Just a quick question. Since the north of the wall people burn all the dead, does that mean that the dead turn into zombies and the whitewalkers are really just badass zombies?

Taco John
04-04-2013, 11:03 AM
Everything I've read has made it pretty clear that won't happen until season 4. Even then, my guess is on Littlefinger since they seem to make him all-powerful and in on everything on the show.

In fairness, LF is very powerful in the books too. In my opinion, there is an implied connection between him and the Iron Bank.

MagicHef
04-04-2013, 11:03 AM
Just a quick question. Since the north of the wall people burn all the dead, does that mean that the dead turn into zombies and the whitewalkers are really just badass zombies?

The White Walkers are "Others". I think they are just different from living things, I don't believe they were ever alive at a previous time.

Taco John
04-04-2013, 11:05 AM
Just a quick question. Since the north of the wall people burn all the dead, does that mean that the dead turn into zombies and the whitewalkers are really just badass zombies?

Not exactly.

The Wights are the Zombies. The White Walkers are a separate race of intelligent creatures who animate the wights as their army. The white walkers are not zombies - they create them.

Requiem
04-04-2013, 11:20 AM
I had a friend drop by my place the other night and gave me the first season on BluRay. Watched the first two episodes and really wasn't that interested. Kind of seems slow. Hopefully it gets better.

Taco John
04-04-2013, 11:36 AM
I had a friend drop by my place the other night and gave me the first season on BluRay. Watched the first two episodes and really wasn't that interested. Kind of seems slow. Hopefully it gets better.

The first two episodes of virtually any show worth watching is slow because it's establishing a foundation for the story to be told on.

2KBack
04-04-2013, 11:56 AM
Not exactly.

The Wights are the Zombies. The White Walkers are a separate race of intelligent creatures who animate the wights as their army. The white walkers are not zombies - they create them.

What do you think coldhands is?

Old Dude
04-04-2013, 12:24 PM
Not exactly.

The Wights are the Zombies. The White Walkers are a separate race of intelligent creatures who animate the wights as their army. The white walkers are not zombies - they create them.

That's basically how I understand it, too, but it's kind of intentionally mushy.

Here's what I understand:

Roughly 12,000 years ago, an ethnic group of humans (now referred to as "The First Men") invaded Westeros across a land bridge from the east. They found that the land was already occupied by a race of being called the "Children of the Forest." These beings were smaller, less numerous and less technologically advanced than the invading humans, but they had access to "nature magic."

After generations of warfare, the First Men gradually pushed back the Children of the Forest and establish dozens, if not hundreds, of small kingdoms.

About 10,000 years ago, a truce was reached, whereby the Children were given dominion over the major forests, while the Men occupied the open lands. Except for a group who adopted "The Drowned God" (in the Iron Islands), the First Men adopt the worship of the Old Gods of the Forest.

About 8,000 years ago, the "Long Night" descended and presumably lasted for nearly an entire generation. A long and savage winter moved south, and with it came "The Others." The "Others" were able to kill people and then raise them up as undead servants (zombies or "wights.") They were eventually driven back by the First Men, led by a legendary hero called "Azor Ahai."

Subsequently, with the aid of magic, giants, and (possibly) the remaining Children of the Forest, they constructed the great ice wall to keep the "Others" out. The Night Watch was formed to guard it.

At this time, there were still some people living north of the wall (calling themselves "The Free Folk" but known to southerners as the "Wildlings.")

Not long after, one of the Commanders of the Night Watch, supposedly seduced by one of the undead, declared himself the Night King, and used the Watch as his personal army and committed all kinds of atrocities. He was defeated by an alliance between the Starks of Winterfell and Joramun, a Wildling leader, also known as "The King Beyond the Wall." Afterwards, the Night Watch was restored.

Thousands of years go by and all of this falls into myth and legend. Over time, the Wall becomes mostly a barrier to prevent Wildlings from raiding the southern side.

In the legends of southern Westeros, the undead are referred to as "The Others." Close to the Wall and North of the Wall, those same beings are often referred to as "The White Walkers." One gets the idea that the legends don't necessarily distinguish between the intelligent masters (who may or may not be undead spirits) and the more or less mindless wights (who they have apparently raised from the dead to serve as minions.) Likewise, various characters in the book don't necessarily distinguish between them at the outset since they don't really know what they are dealing with.

Additional things that still aren't clear. It's not clear what kind of ritual is needed or what it's range might be in order to raise people as zombies. Or whether it's more or less automatic. (It certainly isn't automatic south of the Wall - at least not at this point.) It's also unclear whether the intelligent "Others" have their own bodies or are somehow possessing the bodies of the living. The whole thing is still uncatalogued (and probably scarier as a result of that).

Kaylore
04-04-2013, 01:07 PM
The first two episodes of virtually any show worth watching is slow because it's establishing a foundation for the story to be told on.

I thought the first fifteen minutes of Season 1 Episode 1 were extremely provacative. They do a great job of creating a really authentic feel.

Shoot, the theme song by itself is freaking awesome.

Old Dude
04-04-2013, 01:22 PM
What do you think coldhands is?


Purely Speculative Spoiler: ( Benjen Stark: 80%; The Night King 12%; Some other figure from history: 6%; Someone we've never heard of: 2%. )

2KBack
04-04-2013, 03:12 PM
Purely Speculative Spoiler: ( Benjen Stark: 80%; The Night King 12%; Some other figure from history: 6%; Someone we've never heard of: 2%. )

That is spot on with my theory as well

StugotsIII
04-04-2013, 05:50 PM
What the HELL happened to Benjin?

Drunk Monkey
04-05-2013, 06:39 AM
PMd

What is PMd?

DivineLegion
04-05-2013, 06:42 AM
Additional things that still aren't clear. It's not clear what kind of ritual is needed or what it's range might be in order to raise people as zombies. Or whether it's more or less automatic. (It certainly isn't automatic south of the Wall - at least not at this point.) It's also unclear whether the intelligent "Others" have their own bodies or are somehow possessing the bodies of the living. The whole thing is still uncatalogued (and probably scarier as a result of that).

When they created the wall, they instilled some sort of magic into its core. It acts as a giant stop gap on not just flesh, but spells. Remember when Snow went back over the wall, and he couldn't sense Ghost anymore? That was because of the wall blocking his warg senses.

Kaylore
04-05-2013, 07:23 AM
What is PMd?

PM'd or private messaged ie "sent you a private message with the details."

Old Dude
04-05-2013, 08:00 AM
Not the first. He's explained to be extremely ancient

I don't think that's categorically chiseled in stone. The phrase "a long time ago" doesn't necessarily mean "extremely ancient." Given the identity of who said that and how we assume they would subjectively perceive the passage of time, I can see why you'd assume that, and it's a very strong point, but we also have to remember who is on the receiving end of this message, and the speaker may have been taking that into account. We also need to know more about the motivation of the speaker because some people are in cohoots with others and, at this point, it's not entirely clear why.

Remember that Martin often uses the device of unreliable narrators.

In short, I think Martin has left that door wide open by being just about as vague as possible.

When you get past that, you're left with bits and pieces of circumstantial evidence, pointing in various directions and floating around in a puddle of the still-unexplained.

Also, since we're dealing with a magical being in a world increasingly full of magical stuff, including possession and transmigration, the truth could actually be a some combination of the various theories.

Drunk Monkey
04-05-2013, 08:57 AM
PM'd or private messaged ie "sent you a private message with the details."

Thanks, I thought he was taking about a new torrent option or something that I didn't know about.

Boobs McGee
04-05-2013, 09:30 AM
Here's a little collection of GoT's themed NFL wallpapers.

Original Link to the Reddit Thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/15x7mr/game_of_thrones_wallpaper_minnesota_vikings_and/

Link to the Imgur collection: http://whatshotdjroomba.imgur.com/

StugotsIII
04-06-2013, 09:09 AM
What the HELL happened to Benjin?

Motha-f**k'n

BUMP

Old Dude
04-06-2013, 10:36 AM
Motha-****'n

BUMP

Spoiler: (Up through the fifth novel, we still don't know. He may just be permanently MIA. Some people speculate that he was killed, transformed into a wight, but somehow retained his mind or personality and appears in later books as a character called "Coldhands." But that is a big ongoing mystery and far from clear or settled.)

Old Dude
04-06-2013, 08:09 PM
Additional Spoilers on White Walkers, Wights and "The Others": (1. In the TV Series, "The Others" are more frequently referred to as "White Walkers" than in the books. One reason for this was supposedly to avoid confusion with "The Others" as used in the "Lost" TV series. 2. The "wights" are pretty much as we've seen them portrayed in the TV series, i.e. undead. They aren't completely mindless (as in the Walking Dead") since they do retain some skills such as weaponry and -undead- horse riding, and a couple of them early on in the books showed at least a little familiarity with the Night Watch layout and pecking order. But they do appear to have very little free will. They are marked by the stench of decay, eerie blue eyes and dark hands where the frozen blood has congealed. 3. Recently, in an email to a comic book artist, who was trying to figure out how to portray "The Others," i.e. the leaders, Martin stated: "The Others are not dead. They are strange, beautiful ... think, oh ... the Sidhe [the fey of Celtic myth] made of ice, something like that ... a different sort of life ... inhuman, elegant, dangerous." (emphasis added) 4. However, in the TV series, "The Others" in the one quick shot we've seen, appear to be shadowed and "brutish" looking..)

Hope that helps.

Old Dude
04-08-2013, 06:04 AM
Episode 2, Season 3.

Lots of plotlines advancing slowly.

cutthemdown
04-08-2013, 06:26 AM
What the HELL happened to Benjin?

He's most likely dead. Not sure we will ever know for sure what happened to him. This story seems like the kind that won't spell everything out. The two rangers he was with were dead and its been a long time since that happened. Hard to believe he would be alive out there or that the others would bother having prisoners.

I guess he could be hiding somewhere but you would think he would have turned up by now.

Kaylore
04-08-2013, 07:29 AM
I have hopes he met with some children of the forest and they worked some voodoo on him.

StugotsIII
04-08-2013, 08:29 AM
What did we think of S3 E2?

I thought it was a bit slow, and with so much to fit into S3 I'm not sure why HBO continues to replace GRRM writing with their own, made up scenes and dialog.

I mean, it's still okay, but E2 was certainly lacking.

DivineLegion
04-08-2013, 09:25 AM
What did we think of S3 E2?

I thought it was a bit slow, and with so much to fit into S3 I'm not sure why HBO continues to replace GRRM writing with their own, made up scenes and dialog.

I mean, it's still okay, but E2 was certainly lacking.

I read an interview with the writers where they talked about the inclusion of Theons story in season 3. They needed to fill time in season 3 to spread the story out over 2 seasons, and they have a strange fascination with Theons character. Apparently the actor who portrays Theon blew them away with his characterization, and they felt like he needed to remain relivent. I feel like they could have focused more on Nights Watch, and their epic retreat. They cut a lot of the detail, including the battle of the fist, and they could have drawn these elements in if they would have planned it better. Apparently they are also worried about letting GOT take on the montra of a full fledged fantasy drama, this they don't emphasize the fantasy elements, and are more inclined to I corperate more personal dilemma. I think this is why it took them so long to incorporate the Reeds.

Chris
04-08-2013, 09:37 AM
I read an interview with the writers where they talked about the inclusion of Theons story in season 3. They needed to fill time in season 3 to spread the story out over 2 seasons, and they have a strange fascination with Theons character. Apparently the actor who portrays Theon blew them away with his characterization, and they felt like he needed to remain relivent. I feel like they could have focused more on Nights Watch, and their epic retreat. They cut a lot of the detail, including the battle of the fist, and they could have drawn these elements in if they would have planned it better. Apparently they are also worried about letting GOT take on the montra of a full fledged fantasy drama, this they don't emphasize the fantasy elements, and are more inclined to I corperate more personal dilemma. I think this is why it took them so long to incorporate the Reeds.

Interesting take. I'll agree that the actor playing Theon does a great job in pulling off a massively fallible yet ultimately fascinating character. For me he's just a little bit below Dinklage in that regard. I haven't read the books but I'm also looking forward to seeing what happens to Aria and the shapeshifting Morghullis (?) character.

spdirty
04-08-2013, 10:13 AM
What did we think of S3 E2?

I thought it was a bit slow, and with so much to fit into S3 I'm not sure why HBO continues to replace GRRM writing with their own, made up scenes and dialog.

I mean, it's still okay, but E2 was certainly lacking.

I'm so far gone as far as being a fanboy of this show that I don't even want to be critical of the crappy episodes.

Taco John
04-08-2013, 12:23 PM
I think people are being too critical of these first two episodes. There is a lot that needs to be set up over the next two seasons, and these first few episodes are not meant to be action packed, but character driven. I think they're doing an excellent job of that right now.

Taco John
04-08-2013, 12:28 PM
What do you think coldhands is?

My theory is that Coldhands is Brynden Rivers (aka. Bloodraven) who has wharged into one of the others (or a wight). My feelings are that too many people underestimate Brynden Rivers as a major player in unfolding events. I think people assume that he's just sitting in a cave watching things, and not taking active participation. I can't believe this to be the case given the amount of development that GRRM has done of this character's history. I think/hope we will see much more of his influence in the next two books.

Taco John
04-08-2013, 12:33 PM
Also, my theory on Bran is that in the end, he will ultimately be Azor Ahai

Requiem
04-08-2013, 12:48 PM
Just finished the first season last night. Mind blown. Sad they got rid of Ned / Eddard. :(

Drunk Monkey
04-08-2013, 01:04 PM
Just finished the first season last night. Mind blown. Sad they got rid of Ned / Eddard. :(

Get use to it. Dude loves killing his characters. Just like a kid on the beach building up sandcastles just to go all Godzilla on them.

peacepipe
04-08-2013, 01:07 PM
Just finished the first season last night. Mind blown. Sad they got rid of Ned / Eddard. :(

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

StugotsIII
04-08-2013, 01:12 PM
Get use to it. Dude loves killing his characters. Just like a kid on the beach building up sandcastles just to go all Godzilla on them.

…except he keeps killing off Godzilla...

Old Dude
04-08-2013, 02:15 PM
I think Episode 2 was just the second part of the setup for season 3. (with so many plotlines.) The action should start picking up as we go along.

As for my personal predictions (and having finished all 5 books): SPOILERS: (I think the surviving Stark kids are all headed down dark paths. Arya is becoming a ninja contract killer; Sansa is learning all about political manipulation and backstabbing from the best of them; Rikon is already a psycho werewolf; and Bran concerns me the most. He's already doing the one thing with his warging talents that even barbarian werewolves consider an "abomination," and shows hardly any empathy for poor Hodor. Not to mention that fact that Jujuen looks like he's become Soylent Green. Funny thing is that on the other side we have Tommen, who is about the single most innocent youngster in the whole series. He just wants to play with his kittens. Dead boy walking, I'm sure of it.

I don't think Bryndon Rivers is Coldhands, because BR is clearly the 3-eyed crow, and he wouldn't have any need to give himself orders via the ravens. Unless that was a ruse, of course, which I guess is always possible.)

Taco John
04-08-2013, 03:19 PM
I think Episode 2 was just the second part of the setup for season 3. (with so many plotlines.) The action should start picking up as we go along.

As for my personal predictions (and having finished all 5 books): SPOILERS: (I think the surviving Stark kids are all headed down dark paths. Arya is becoming a ninja contract killer; Sansa is learning all about political manipulation and backstabbing from the best of them; Rikon is already a psycho werewolf; and Bran concerns me the most. He's already doing the one thing with his warging talents that even barbarian werewolves consider an "abomination," and shows hardly any empathy for poor Hodor. Not to mention that fact that Jujuen looks like he's become Soylent Green. Funny thing is that on the other side we have Tommen, who is about the single most innocent youngster in the whole series. He just wants to play with his kittens. Dead boy walking, I'm sure of it.

I don't think Bryndon Rivers is Coldhands, because BR is clearly the 3-eyed crow, and he wouldn't have any need to give himself orders via the ravens. Unless that was a ruse, of course, which I guess is always possible.)


well, yes Brynden Rivers is the three eyed crow, but isn't the three eyed crow just one of many "gloves" that he can put on? Varamyr Sixskins warged into dozens of different animals, including humans. Why wouldn't Rivers ahve a dozen different forms that he'd take on?

El Guapo
04-08-2013, 04:08 PM
Season 3 will be epic, just hope the action picks up soon before too many bail. :(

Old Dude
04-08-2013, 04:29 PM
well, yes Brynden Rivers is the three eyed crow, but isn't the three eyed crow just one of many "gloves" that he can put on? Varamyr Sixskins warged into dozens of different animals, including humans. Why wouldn't Rivers ahve a dozen different forms that he'd take on?


Hmmn. The more I think about your theory, the better I like it. This one, anyway. Spoiler: (Not so much Bran's destiny as AA.)

Taco John
04-08-2013, 05:13 PM
Hmmn. The more I think about your theory, the better I like it. This one, anyway. Spoiler: (Not so much Bran's destiny as AA.)

The Bran one is definitely out there. It's really just an idea. I'm trying to guess where he is going with that particular story line, and I think that it's going to be something significant and widely unexpected.

Taco John
04-08-2013, 07:12 PM
Old Nan on the Night King:

Chapter 56, ASOS

“Some say he was a Bolton,” Old Nan would always end. “Some say a Magnar out of Skagos, some say Umber, Flint, or Norrey. Some would have you think he was a Woodfoot, from them who ruled Bear island before the ironmen came. He never was. He was a Stark, the brother of the man who brought him down.” She always pinched Bran on the nose then, he would never forget it. “He was a Stark of Winterfell, and who can say? Mayhaps his name was Brandon. Mayhaps he slept in this very bed in this very room.”

Bran Meets Cold Hands:
First Bran Chapter ADWD:
Meera’s gloved hand tightened around the shaft of her frog spear. “Who sent you? Who is this three-eyed crow?”
"A friend. Dreamer, wizard, call him what you will. The last green-seer.” The longhall’s wooden door banged open. Outside, the night wind howled, bleak and black. The trees were full of ravens, screaming. Cold-hands did not move.
“A monster,” Bran said.
The ranger looked at Bran as if the rest of them did not exist. “Your monster, Brandon Stark.”
“Yours,” the raven echoed, from his shoulder. Outside the door, the ravens in the trees took up the cry, until the night wood echoed to the murderer’s song of “Yours, yours, yours.”

DivineLegion
04-08-2013, 08:08 PM
The Bran one is definitely out there. It's really just an idea. I'm trying to guess where he is going with that particular story line, and I think that it's going to be something significant and widely unexpected.

From what has been leaked about the 6th book, a majority of the story takes place deeper beyond the wall, beyond the frost fangs. Chances are you will find out the truth regarding your revelation pretty quickly. This next book was originally set to be the last, but GRRM decided he wanted a seventh book to tidy up the conclusion. So we will find out in...2015 :(

spdirty
04-08-2013, 09:04 PM
From what has been leaked about the 6th book, a majority of the story takes place deeper beyond the wall, beyond the frost fangs. Chances are you will find out the truth regarding your revelation pretty quickly. This next book was originally set to be the last, but GRRM decided he wanted a seventh book to tidy up the conclusion. So we will find out in...2015 :(

So we can expect 8 seasons of this on HBO right?

StugotsIII
04-08-2013, 09:21 PM
So we can expect 8 seasons of this on HBO right?

At least...

cutthemdown
04-08-2013, 09:26 PM
What did we think of S3 E2?

I thought it was a bit slow, and with so much to fit into S3 I'm not sure why HBO continues to replace GRRM writing with their own, made up scenes and dialog.

I mean, it's still okay, but E2 was certainly lacking.

the pace of the show is a little slower then people expect but it doesn't lack pulling you in. What you see as slow i see as just wanting more when the hour ends. You never feel like you found out enough about the story because it unfolds slowly. But while a watch the scenes they dont drag to me. The dialouge is good, the characters believable, and i don't get a sense they are spending too much time on anything.

When i do find myself thinking that i watch even closer figuring that it most be something important, and i just havent put it all together yet. The show has a lot of symbolism and inferences that don't just spell everything out right away. Thats what makes it soo good.

StugotsIII
04-08-2013, 09:37 PM
the pace of the show is a little slower then people expect but it doesn't lack pulling you in. What you see as slow i see as just wanting more when the hour ends. You never feel like you found out enough about the story because it unfolds slowly. But while a watch the scenes they dont drag to me. The dialouge is good, the characters believable, and i don't get a sense they are spending too much time on anything.

When i do find myself thinking that i watch even closer figuring that it most be something important, and i just havent put it all together yet. The show has a lot of symbolism and inferences that don't just spell everything out right away. Thats what makes it soo good.

The dialog is good…but it's better when GRRM writes it…not HBO.


There is a lot to explain and get to already. HBO doesn't need to add their own subject matter to a book (book 3) that is already jammed with information…and damn good writing.


Episode two was slow, and yes…I get that they are setting things up…but after 2 episodes, we really don't know a whole lot more than we did before...

McDman
04-08-2013, 10:04 PM
The biggest problem with this show is there are so many characters we only get about 5 minutes of each character.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
04-08-2013, 10:19 PM
Don't see any problems with this show. At all.

Song of Ice and Fire, and Sword of Truth, are my favorite book series of all time. The Sword of Truth cable show was an abomination, so compared to that, Game of Thrones is flawless. I'm still in shock this series was actually made for HBO. Now, we just need an MMORPG based on the world and my dorkdom euphoria will be complete.

cutthemdown
04-08-2013, 11:56 PM
The dialog is good…but it's better when GRRM writes it…not HBO.


There is a lot to explain and get to already. HBO doesn't need to add their own subject matter to a book (book 3) that is already jammed with information…and damn good writing.


Episode two was slow, and yes…I get that they are setting things up…but after 2 episodes, we really don't know a whole lot more than we did before...

You know where the Hound is. You know lady Margorie (new queen to be) is smart and has a plan. You found out what the half mans dad really thinks of him and you found out Snow has been accepted into the army beyond the wall. You know Theon isn't dead and is being tortured by someone. You know the captian of Stannis fleet is alive, and that Stannis is crazy and totally enveloped by the witch.

Seems like a lot has been revealed IMO. its just they reveal stuff but each time if unravels more you don't know.

Fedaykin
04-09-2013, 12:44 AM
Something reeks about E2, which is surprising at this point.

Taco John
04-09-2013, 03:09 AM
Something reeks about E2, which is surprising at this point.

Not sure if punning...

Fedaykin
04-09-2013, 04:05 AM
Not sure if punning...

Heh, yes punning =)

Bronco Yoda
04-09-2013, 12:09 PM
Only 30 g's.
http://store.hbo.com/detail.php?p=373634&ecid=PID-5580&pa=SEM-GPA&CAWELAID=1383728783&cagpspn=pla


Love the tv show. Still contemplating reading the book series or waiting until the show is finished first.

Taco John
04-09-2013, 12:29 PM
Only 30 g's.
http://store.hbo.com/detail.php?p=373634&ecid=PID-5580&pa=SEM-GPA&CAWELAID=1383728783&cagpspn=pla


Love the tv show. Still contemplating reading the book series or waiting until the show is finished first.

I would definitely read the books. The show series likely won't be finished until 2020. That's a long wait for no good reason, really. The books are where it's at.

underrated29
04-09-2013, 01:39 PM
Its been a while since I read the books and I read them in succession one right after another, no breaks....

Thought reek was in book 4 or 5. I know I read somewhere that they liked his character so much and brought him in to 3, but what do they plan on doing then for the latter part of season 4 (which is the other half of book three)

StugotsIII
04-09-2013, 03:28 PM
You know where the Hound is. You know lady Margorie (new queen to be) is smart and has a plan. You found out what the half mans dad really thinks of him and you found out Snow has been accepted into the army beyond the wall. You know Theon isn't dead and is being tortured by someone. You know the captian of Stannis fleet is alive, and that Stannis is crazy and totally enveloped by the witch.

Seems like a lot has been revealed IMO. its just they reveal stuff but each time if unravels more you don't know.

We already knew that:

Margorie is smart and cunning.
Tywin doesn't like Tyrian.
Snow was accepted (sort of) by the wildlings

The Theon bit comes WAY later in the story…HBO crowbarred that one in there. And Stannis is not crazy…he is the most serious human alive and wants nothing more than to rule the realm.

I'm fine with a slow start…hell, most of GRRM's writing is slow a plodding. But I'd rather have it be HIS writing than HBO's.

Not really sure why they feel the need to replace his work…and flat out make stuff up. Guess that is the nature of TV/Movies.

s0phr0syne
04-09-2013, 04:15 PM
With the disclosure that I haven't read the books....

I don't get why people who read the books are in anyway upset with changes made for the adaptation to the screen? The print story is there forever, and will remain unchanged. It represents what GRRM wanted to convey and what he thought was important. TV show storylines are handled by showrunners and teams of writers, typically. They draw out the themes that resonate most significantly with them, and then construct the show to convey these ideas to the audience.

Having been a long time reader of comic books, one of the things that I always have enjoyed is being able to enjoy what different writers' takes were for the same characters.

For me, this is an equal joy that I find when enjoying adapted movies, TV shows, games, etc. Others in this thread have commented sometimes about how they didn't know what to expect in the show because certain plot lines diverged so much from the books--to me, that seems so wonderful because otherwise how the hell would you be entertained if you had already read the books? If you already knew exactly what was coming?

I doubt my post will really end up impacting the people who get dismayed when changes are made in adaptations--this has been a source of consternation for a long time for a reason, and there's nothing I can probably add that is going to Keanu-Woah your mind, but maybe you'll type up something that makes me understand the other side of the coin a little bit better.

StugotsIII
04-09-2013, 04:57 PM
With the disclosure that I haven't read the books....

I don't get why people who read the books are in anyway upset with changes made for the adaptation to the screen? The print story is there forever, and will remain unchanged. It represents what GRRM wanted to convey and what he thought was important. TV show storylines are handled by showrunners and teams of writers, typically. They draw out the themes that resonate most significantly with them, and then construct the show to convey these ideas to the audience.

Having been a long time reader of comic books, one of the things that I always have enjoyed is being able to enjoy what different writers' takes were for the same characters.

For me, this is an equal joy that I find when enjoying adapted movies, TV shows, games, etc. Others in this thread have commented sometimes about how they didn't know what to expect in the show because certain plot lines diverged so much from the books--to me, that seems so wonderful because otherwise how the hell would you be entertained if you had already read the books? If you already knew exactly what was coming?

I doubt my post will really end up impacting the people who get dismayed when changes are made in adaptations--this has been a source of consternation for a long time for a reason, and there's nothing I can probably add that is going to Keanu-Woah your mind, but maybe you'll type up something that makes me understand the other side of the coin a little bit better.


Why change?

StugotsIII
04-09-2013, 05:19 PM
Time, medium and financial constraints.

These guys aren't changing things because they feel it makes a better story, they change them because they have to along WITH Martin.

Martin must have gotten quite the payday to go along with the changes to his story.

I won't believe that he is okay with some of the things HBO is doing.

But all in all it's still one of the best shows on TV.

Boobs McGee
04-09-2013, 05:42 PM
Martin must have gotten quite the payday to go along with the changes to his story.

I won't believe that he is okay with some of the things HBO is doing.

But all in all it's still one of the best shows on TV.

Well, this interview is from 2011, but he seemed pretty happy about the changes, and understands how the process works. He knows that all of his fans aren't going to feel like it's perfect, but it sounds like he's perfectly fine with it

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/04/04/game-of-thrones-hbo-george-r-r-martin/

After a little more research, found this more recent interview. From everything he talks about, it's very clear that he feels although there are changes, he understands the NEED for those changes in this particular medium, and is okay with it.

http://www.hitfix.com/the-fien-print/game-of-thrones-mastermind-george-r-r-martin-talks-blackwater-tv-changes-and-playing-favorites

StugotsIII
04-09-2013, 05:46 PM
Well, this interview is from 2011, but he seemed pretty happy about the changes, and understands how the process works. He knows that all of his fans aren't going to feel like it's perfect, but it sounds like he's perfectly fine with it

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/04/04/game-of-thrones-hbo-george-r-r-martin/

After a little more research, found this more recent interview. From everything he talks about, it's very clear that he feels although there are changes, he understands the NEED for those changes in this particular medium, and is okay with it.

http://www.hitfix.com/the-fien-print/game-of-thrones-mastermind-george-r-r-martin-talks-blackwater-tv-changes-and-playing-favorites

http://media-cache-ec5.pinterest.com/550x/51/1b/b3/511bb32abd46436379691707589f930d.jpg

IndelibleScribe
04-09-2013, 06:17 PM
Why change?

because in any visual expression of artist merit there are changes that take place.
some have little tweaks, others full on new stories.
taking a book series and turning it into a movie or a show is similar to adapting a comic book to one of those formats.
you can just do everything from the source material. there have to be changes that flow with the director and the writers vision of the production.

kappys
04-09-2013, 10:23 PM
So how does one go about reading the "Spoilers" and posting such "Spoilers"? I've avoided this thread for now because I've only recently read the books

Taco John
04-09-2013, 11:44 PM
So how does one go about reading the "Spoilers" and posting such "Spoilers"? I've avoided this thread for now because I've only recently read the books

there are spoiler tags that work like any tag, such as quote tags.

[ spoiler ] [ /spoiler ]

to read the spoilers you simply drag select with your mouse in between the spoilers, like this:

In Book 6 Drogo hatches out of Drogon the dragon like in Aliens, effectively slaying the dragon. He then uses one of his teeth as a flaming sword and is born again as Azor Ahai, at which time Bran wargs into him, kills the lead white walker, and then takes a dump in the middle of the battlefield Strong Belwas style.

MagicHef
04-10-2013, 02:45 PM
Cast pictures

http://imgur.com/a/uXPYY

underrated29
04-10-2013, 02:54 PM
Ahhh, these pictures reminded me of something.



kinda spoiler ( Do you think they will have sam lose all that weight? Like he does in the book?) end spoiler.



Sam sure looks worse clean shaven, from those pictures above.

Boobs McGee
04-10-2013, 02:58 PM
Ahhh, these pictures reminded me of something.



kinda spoiler ( Do you think they will have sam lose all that weight? Like he does in the book?) end spoiler.



Sam sure looks worse clean shaven, from those pictures above.

question for you:

when did he lose the weight? I thought he was fat sam all the way across the seas with the baby and everything....I don't remember reading anything about that! Do you remember which book, or what point in time?

MagicHef
04-10-2013, 02:59 PM
Delete the spaces in the brackets

2KBack
04-10-2013, 03:25 PM
question for you:

when did he lose the weight? I thought he was fat sam all the way across the seas with the baby and everything....I don't remember reading anything about that! Do you remember which book, or what point in time?

I also do not remember this

underrated29
04-10-2013, 03:40 PM
Uhmmm, I think spoiler (It was when they crossed the sea and were starving. On the ship maybe? ****. Originally, I was somehow thinking it was when he was saved by all the crows on the other side of the wall. But after you mentioned him crossing the sea is when I think it was when they were all lying/dying in that little hut or whatever while the other crow went off and got plastered and such.


Im sorry guys, I could be off on this and totally made this up in my head for some reason, but I swear I read it. The only reason why I am thinking I did actually read it was right when I read that I was like "oh dayum! The actor for Sam is going to have to go through some major changes in the way he does things- possibly like a year before they shoot the next season.

But like I said, I could have just made this all up. Can anyone else chime in and confirm or deny this. Book 4 maybe? Five? Aw hell i dont know.

Boobs McGee
04-10-2013, 04:07 PM
Uhmmm, I think spoiler (It was when they crossed the sea and were starving. On the ship maybe? ****. Originally, I was somehow thinking it was when he was saved by all the crows on the other side of the wall. But after you mentioned him crossing the sea is when I think it was when they were all lying/dying in that little hut or whatever while the other crow went off and got plastered and such.


Im sorry guys, I could be off on this and totally made this up in my head for some reason, but I swear I read it. The only reason why I am thinking I did actually read it was right when I read that I was like "oh dayum! The actor for Sam is going to have to go through some major changes in the way he does things- possibly like a year before they shoot the next season.

But like I said, I could have just made this all up. Can anyone else chime in and confirm or deny this. Book 4 maybe? Five? Aw hell i dont know.

When I get home, I'll pull up my ipad and check it out! I seem to remember him still being called "fatty" or something similar when he was in that hut, the other douchey made some comment about how fat he was even though they didn't have anything to eat. "I" could be totally wrong as well!

Boobs McGee
04-10-2013, 04:10 PM
and ps, I just had a tommy boy moment. I've been sitting here sounding out the word "spoiler" for the last few minutes. It's just a weird word. Doesn't look right.

StugotsIII
04-10-2013, 04:38 PM
Question:

Why do you guys think Little Finger does what he does? What is the driving force behind it?

Do you think he just likes chaos or do you think he does it due to his early failed romantic wooing?

Taco John
04-10-2013, 10:20 PM
Question:

Why do you guys think Little Finger does what he does? What is the driving force behind it?

Do you think he just likes chaos or do you think he does it due to his early failed romantic wooing?

Little Finger does what he does for one reason and one reason only: to acquire power.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
04-11-2013, 12:06 AM
Question:

Why do you guys think Little Finger does what he does? What is the driving force behind it?

Do you think he just likes chaos or do you think he does it due to his early failed romantic wooing?


It's all about being a joke when he was young. He lost his love in embarassing, ass-whoopin' style. People crapped on him because he was a nobody with nothing, and thus viewed him as somebody never to be worth a crap.

He's an angry and bitter man out to screw everyone and everything in his internalized rage.

kappys
04-11-2013, 05:32 AM
Little Finger does what he does for one reason and one reason only: to acquire power.

He plays the game of thrones. I believe his ultimate desire is to place a puppet on the throne that he controls.

MagicHef
04-11-2013, 07:33 AM
I WOULD agree to this, but Lysa never crapped on him and well... look how that worked out.

Littlefingers ambitions and end game are still very murky water. Varys' not nearly as much, though there's still quite a bit that confuses me about his work: If Varys is trying to keep Westeros destabilized for Dany or Aegon--depending on whichever "dragon" you think he's backing--as evidenced by killing Kevan Lannister, why is one of his veryyyyyyy few genuine moments when he's trying to convince Ned to take the black and keep Westeros in tact? Only think that currently makes sense without accounting for inconsistency is that he just learned that from that moment and now is trying to place the RIGHT person on it

Didn't he suggest killing Ned? "If one hand can die, why not another" or something similar? I know that putting a dragon on the throne is what Varys says he wants, but I'm not convinced that's true.

As far as trying to save Ned, he may have genuinely liked him, and was trying to incite the rebellion without killing Ned. Telling him about keeping Westeros intact may have been his attempt to convince Ned to save himself, the only way to do that would be to give him a reason to believe that living was more honorable than dying.

Also, there's a completely bonkers theory regarding that exchange that also has to do with several characters noticing that Ned's bones don't seem to be the right size, and Sansa noting that the head on the spike didn't really look like her father.

I think we have a lot to learn about Varys still.

Kaylore
04-11-2013, 07:39 AM
On the spider I'm not sure he's pulling strings to back the dragon. He's largely been for every move that keeps the Realm stable (or at least as he believes at the time). He wasn't for Ned's death and was just as shocked as everyone when it happened - a critical blunder. He backed Joffrey for continuity and then backed Tyrion seeing him as a stabilizing force. He probably at least knew about Joff's death - if didn't do it himself, once it was clear he was basically another mad king. These and other moves are of someone who wants a stable Realm, not a divided one. My question is why? Why is he so married to the Realm? And I still don't get what Littlefinger's endgame is.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
04-11-2013, 07:44 AM
I WOULD agree to this, but Lysa never crapped on him and well... look how that worked out.


See, I would say Lysa crapped on him as well.

She didn't stand up to her father about marrying him, and she allowed them to abort his son. She could have eloped if Peter meant anything to her. I'm positive he hates her for her weakness as much as those that forced her to toe the family line.

As for Varys, I agree. It's hard for me to believe such a complex character would only want something as simple as a quality ruler on the throne. There must be more to it yet unrevealed.

Kaylore
04-11-2013, 09:22 AM
I agree with what you said about him keeping the realm in tact, yet he just came back, killed Kevan Lannister because he [paraphrasing] "couldn't allow him to fix all the schisms Cersei's built into the realm". Completely undercuts the rest.

Then why did he try to kill Denarys? Wasn't that his idea? There's nothing in the show or books to suggest he sabbotaged the attempt. I'm not sure he's even aware Ser Jorah was with her. Unless He doesn't support Targaryen's genericly but is in fact specifically supportive of Aegon only. Which would make Denarys a threat in some kind of measure.

Still, that raises even more questions about why he gives such a flying crap about it. That's a lot of trouble to go through - for what?

Kaylore
04-11-2013, 09:29 AM
My main issue with the Aegon/Blackfyre and Illyrio and Varys supporting him is why would they give Dany the dragon eggs instead of him, then?

Even when Varys is revealing his reasons to Kevan after shooting him, they seem to be largely practical - Aegon is more well rounded, has seen the low-life, been trained from birth, could be a warrior or scholar, etc. You could argue he really just honestly thinks he would be a good king and have a legitimate claim and therefore is "best for the Realm" which would be consistent with his other actions. He doesn't go into a tirade about revenge or loyalty.

MagicHef
04-11-2013, 09:40 AM
My main issue with the Aegon/Blackfyre and Illyrio and Varys supporting him is why would they give Dany the dragon eggs instead of him, then?

I forgot that Varys had a hand in giving her the eggs. Did he think they wouldn't hatch, maybe? He must be up to something else.

StugotsIII
04-11-2013, 09:46 AM
I WOULD agree to this, but Lysa never crapped on him and well... look how that worked out.

Littlefingers ambitions and end game are still very murky water. Varys' not nearly as much, though there's still quite a bit that confuses me about his work: If Varys is trying to keep Westeros destabilized for Dany or Aegon--depending on whichever "dragon" you think he's backing--as evidenced by killing Kevan Lannister, why is one of his veryyyyyyy few genuine moments when he's trying to convince Ned to take the black and keep Westeros in tact? Only think that currently makes sense without accounting for inconsistency is that he just learned that from that moment and now is trying to place the RIGHT person on it

Lysa's only crime was not being her sister...that and being cruel to her sisters daughter.

Still very much linked to Lady Stark.

Old Dude
04-11-2013, 11:32 AM
I WOULD agree to this, but Lysa never crapped on him and well... look how that worked out.

Littlefingers ambitions and end game are still very murky water. Varys' not nearly as much, though there's still quite a bit that confuses me about his work: If Varys is trying to keep Westeros destabilized for Dany or Aegon--depending on whichever "dragon" you think he's backing--as evidenced by killing Kevan Lannister, why is one of his veryyyyyyy few genuine moments when he's trying to convince Ned to take the black and keep Westeros in tact? Only think that currently makes sense without accounting for inconsistency is that he just learned that from that moment and now is trying to place the RIGHT person on it

Spoiler: (Most likely, the timing wasn't yet right for the destabilization. A few years later, that had all changed.)

Old Dude
04-11-2013, 11:40 AM
My main issue with the Aegon/Blackfyre and Illyrio and Varys supporting him is why would they give Dany the dragon eggs instead of him, then?

Spoiler: (Maybe he knew the dragons needed a "mother" to hatch them. Or that some horrible sacrifice would be required - and they want to keep Aegon innocent, or at least fertile. Or that they were worried that they couldn't hide dragons on Westereos.)

MagicHef
04-11-2013, 12:55 PM
Now that I think about it, weren't the eggs considered basically nothing more than pretty rocks? No one thought they could hatch, because magic had been disappearing from the world. In fact, Varys hates magic, so I don't think any part of his plan included depending on magic to give one of his pawns an absurd amount of power.

I'm guessing that giving Dany to Drogo was basically his way of getting rid of Dany and Viserys, making room for Aegon.

underrated29
04-11-2013, 01:50 PM
I dont think anyone had any clue what would happen with the eggs would happen that way. From the way I understood it, the dragon eggs were very rare, since it had been 1k years since a dragon was even seen. So these fossilzed eggs were something like a giant gold nugget. They were valuable because they were rare.

It was not until the witch doctor killed off drogo and the stallion that would mount the earth, and khaleesi not burning her hand that she kind of put two and two together, IMO. An completely unexpected turnabout.

Old Dude
04-11-2013, 01:51 PM
Now that I think about it, weren't the eggs considered basically nothing more than pretty rocks? No one thought they could hatch, because magic had been disappearing from the world. In fact, Varys hates magic, so I don't think any part of his plan included depending on magic to give one of his pawns an absurd amount of power.

I'm guessing that giving Dany to Drogo was basically his way of getting rid of Dany and Viserys, making room for Aegon.

The first part of that is certainly possible. Not so sure about the second. I'm sure some plans changed over the course of time since no one short of a diviner could really have dealt with all the variables.

SeedReaver
04-11-2013, 03:26 PM
What an intriguing thread. It turned from a discussion about fantasy series and the epicness of the TV series, but now I just see a bunch of "Spoiler" phrases, some parentheses, and a bunch of blank space; yet for some reason I yearn to keep clicking the thread to see who posted which blank spaces.

MagicHef
04-11-2013, 03:45 PM
The first part of that is certainly possible. Not so sure about the second. I'm sure some plans changed over the course of time since no one short of a diviner could really have dealt with all the variables.

He knew the entire time that Aegon was in hiding, being trained. It wouldn't be hard for him to see that other surviving Targaryens might be an impediment to Aegon gaining the throne. Also, assuming he had ever spent any time around Viserys, it would not be a stretch for him to assume that placing him with the Dothraki would lead to his death.

I'm not sure about it or anything, but it seems to make sense so far.

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Taco John
04-12-2013, 01:26 AM
If GRRm is smart (and he is) he won't answer all of these questions. He'll leave half of them open ended so that in 100 years when people are talking about this piece of literature, they'll have as much fun as we have now theorycrafting the plot lines and characters and their intentions.

kappys
04-12-2013, 02:59 AM
I think the hatching of the dragons rapidly changed everything making Dany a major power player. However even prior to that Varys had to know that Drogo was a potential threat to Westeros. To some degree Varys and Mopatis strike me as the sort of characters that like to keep their fingers in as many pies as possible so they are never at risk of falling out of power supporting Aerys, Dany, the ruling factions of Westeros, etc. It may be that Varys believes Ned Stark would be a valuable ally down the road against the Lannisters if he was spared and if the truly legitamate king (Aegon) returned.

MagicHef
04-12-2013, 11:00 AM
Again, why put invaluable artifacts in his rivals hands? Even if they had never hatched, theyre worth armies.

Hmm, quite true. I just have trouble with Varys believing that the best thing for the realm could have ever been any combination of Viserys and/or Dothraki.

I can see how he would be able to predict Viserys' demise by putting him with the Dothraki, but I don't think he could have predicted Drogo's demise or the eggs hatching, so I'm not sure what the motivation would be to give Dany the eggs.

Maybe it was just a throwaway, to convince Viserys/Dany that he and Illyrio were behind them. Maybe it was to make Viserys jealous of Dany, further ensuring his death. Maybe Illyrio did it without Varys' knowledge.

Johnykbr
04-12-2013, 11:10 AM
Hmm, quite true. I just have trouble with Varys believing that the best thing for the realm could have ever been any combination of Viserys and/or Dothraki.

I can see how he would be able to predict Viserys' demise by putting him with the Dothraki, but I don't think he could have predicted Drogo's demise or the eggs hatching, so I'm not sure what the motivation would be to give Dany the eggs.

Maybe it was just a throwaway, to convince Viserys/Dany that he and Illyrio were behind them. Maybe it was to make Viserys jealous of Dany, further ensuring his death. Maybe Illyrio did it without Varys' knowledge.

Drogo only seemed to play lip service to the notion of actually sailing over to Westeros until the assassination. Also, it seems like the Khal's come and go since they are always fighting each other. Of course the big hole in that is that Varys encouraged the assassination attempt, didn't he?

Kaylore
04-12-2013, 11:11 AM
If GRRm is smart (and he is) he won't answer all of these questions. He'll leave half of them open ended so that in 100 years when people are talking about this piece of literature, they'll have as much fun as we have now theorycrafting the plot lines and characters and their intentions.

I disagree. I want the series to end with Howard the Duck leading an army of Dark Overlords into the Realm.

StugotsIII
04-12-2013, 11:30 AM
What do you guys think Ghosts red eyes mean?

The other wolves have yellow eyes.

Kaylore
04-12-2013, 11:36 AM
What do you guys think Ghosts red eyes mean?

The other wolves have yellow eyes.

I think it means he's an albino. Albino's have red eyes.

underrated29
04-12-2013, 11:50 AM
Can anyone else confirm or deny that Spoiler ( sam gets skinny ) End spoiler

Old Dude
04-12-2013, 12:08 PM
Drogo only seemed to play lip service to the notion of actually sailing over to Westeros until the assassination. Also, it seems like the Khal's come and go since they are always fighting each other. Of course the big hole in that is that Varys encouraged the assassination attempt, didn't he?

But these things are not at all inconsistent. Spoiler: (Illyrio brokers a marriage between Dany and Drogo with the objective of gaining the Dothraki horde as allies for a subsequent invasion of Westeros. That’s certainly how the plan is sold to Dany’s brother, Viserys.

As you noted, the problem is that, after the marriage, Drogo is in no rush to cooperate. He has no particular stake in Westeros and he still has easy pickings all over Essos. When Viserys calls him on this, Viserys gets the Gatoraid treatment with molten gold.

So, something’s gotta be done to motivate Khal Drogo in the proper direction.

An assassination attempt, traceable directly to King Robert, would do the trick, provided that it fails. Varys is in a perfect position to pull this off. He encourages the attempt, which he directs (probably employing a second-rate poisoner to be his dupe.) At the same time, he warns his personal spy, Mormont, that’s it’s coming and when and how. Mormont steps in and saves Dany (and the unborn child) and, coincidentally, steps up a rung on the trust latter. It works exactly as planned. Drogo is infuriated by the attempt and assumes that Robert’s never going to stop, so he tells Dany that it’s now officially “on” with Westeros. Well, at least as soon as his son is born and they can gather up enough loot to get some boats.

And the whole maneuver would have worked if Drogo hadn’t been subsequently injured and then vegetated by the queen of medical malpractice.)

Kaylore
04-12-2013, 12:10 PM
lol at "queen of medical malpractice"

MagicHef
04-12-2013, 12:43 PM
But these things are not at all inconsistent. Spoiler: (Illyrio brokers a marriage between Dany and Drogo with the objective of gaining the Dothraki horde as allies for a subsequent invasion of Westeros. That’s certainly how the plan is sold to Dany’s brother, Viserys.

As you noted, the problem is that, after the marriage, Drogo is in no rush to cooperate. He has no particular stake in Westeros and he still has easy pickings all over Essos. When Viserys calls him on this, Viserys gets the Gatoraid treatment with molten gold.

So, something’s gotta be done to motivate Khal Drogo in the proper direction.

An assassination attempt, traceable directly to King Robert, would do the trick, provided that it fails. Varys is in a perfect position to pull this off. He encourages the attempt, which he directs (probably employing a second-rate poisoner to be his dupe.) At the same time, he warns his personal spy, Mormont, that’s it’s coming and when and how. Mormont steps in and saves Dany (and the unborn child) and, coincidentally, steps up a rung on the trust latter. It works exactly as planned. Drogo is infuriated by the attempt and assumes that Robert’s never going to stop, so he tells Dany that it’s now officially “on” with Westeros. Well, at least as soon as his son is born and they can gather up enough loot to get some boats.

And the whole maneuver would have worked if Drogo hadn’t been subsequently injured and then vegetated by the queen of medical malpractice.)

That makes sense. How do their plans with Aegon figure into Dany and the Dothraki attacking Westeros, though?

Taco John
04-12-2013, 12:56 PM
That makes sense. How do their plans with Aegon figure into Dany and the Dothraki attacking Westeros, though?

This is still the million dollar question in my mind. Not to mention who the hell the kid actually is.

If he's actually a Targ (which I don't personally believe he is), then Varys has been involved in some evil, evil plots, and somehow had an imposter kid placed directly in Gregor Clegane's murderous path.

Old Dude
04-12-2013, 01:41 PM
That makes sense. How do their plans with Aegon figure into Dany and the Dothraki attacking Westeros, though?

Speculation Spoiler: (I think the primary plan, early on, is to put Aegon on the throne. Assuming that Aegon is Rhaegar’s kid, he’s technically the rightful heir and has a better claim than either Viseys or Dany, who are basically his aunt and uncle. Via Connington, Varys has had de facto custody of the kid for many years and a lot of effort has been spent to shape the kid’s character and education.

Viserys, on the other hand, was already 7 years old when his brother, Rhaegar, was killed, so a lot of his personality was already formed. In addition, Viserys and Dany were originally taken to safety by Willem Darry (to Braavos). King Robert didn’t want to mess with Braavos, so he initially left them alone. Subsequently, Derry died from an illness and the Targs were left nearly destitute when their own servants robbed them. They lost their house and had to hit the road, bouncing for a few years from one potential benefactor to another. So, unlike the situation with Aegon, it’s hardly a controlled environment and it’s pretty well established that by the time we meet Viserys, he’s already damaged goods in the morality and common sense departments. Dany, who is several years younger, isn’t quite as messed up.

It’s only after all of this that Illyrio gets his hands on them and takes them in. Viserys has some value as a backup plan in case something befalls Aegon, but he’s not the projected starter. The opportunity arises to broker a marriage between Aunt Dany and Drogo, in the hopes of recruiting the Dothraki biker-gang.

The final thing that we need to remember is that Illyrio and Varys are both filthy, stinking, rich.

So let’s assume they need to come up with some sort of dowry to seal the marriage deal. They could supply Drogo with gold, and lots of it, but Dothraki may not be the best financial managers. The Dragon Eggs are pretty valuable and probably more easily portable than gold and treasury bonds. (And this is assuming that Illyrio and Varys think they are nothing more than inert historical artifacts.) So maybe the eggs are just a dowry, mostly symbolic, and nothing more.

Until of course, the dragons hatch, at which time, Dany becomes a much bigger pawn. But it takes Illyrio awhile to learn of this and guide ships and protective agents toward her. Unfortunately, she gets distracted with affairs on the continent, so they decide to start the attacks with Aegon while all the other chaos in Westeros is in full swing, hoping, apparently, that she’ll come running once she finds out her nephew(and the rightful heir) is in need.)

BroncoBeavis
04-12-2013, 01:46 PM
What this thread really needs is some advice on how to get a man's wife past the TnA enough to get her to watch it.

Johnykbr
04-12-2013, 02:11 PM
Get her to read the books so she gets into the brilliance of the story.

That's how I did. That and she's a fan Jorah. :~ohyah!:

BroncoBeavis
04-12-2013, 02:24 PM
Get her to read the books so she gets into the brilliance of the story.

Guessing I'll have to start reading them first.

First I have to read LoTR again though.

IndelibleScribe
04-12-2013, 03:18 PM
Cast pictures

http://imgur.com/a/uXPYY

i would so get slapped in this scenario. cause as soon as the camera was gone, i'm grabbing something other than their waist :rofl:

http://i.imgur.com/wFijyf4.jpg

Taco John
04-12-2013, 04:02 PM
Sam Tarley doesn't look so craven in that photo.

Taco John
04-12-2013, 04:11 PM
Guessing I'll have to start reading them first.

First I have to read LoTR again though.

Honestly, I think you'll have more fun going in the other direction. I read ASOFAI and am currently in the middle of LOTR with my son. There are some theories out there that ASOFAI is basically middle earth after X amount of years. Westeros and Essos were once part of the same continent.

Here it is:
ASOIAF takes place thousands of years after LOTR, after the elves have left. The dwarves, orcs, and other races left over the millennia as the Age of Man took over, taking their magic with them. The last race to leave was the hobbits, also known as Children of the Forest. Enough time has passed over the years that the ocean slowly crept where there once was land. Valyria, located in the land that was once known as Mordor, was destroyed when Mt. Doom erupted one final time.

http://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/17btce/just_a_thought/c846lfu

I don't personally believe this theory, but I've had fun trying to find clues to the truth of this as I read through the LOTR.

StugotsIII
04-12-2013, 07:13 PM
I think it means he's an albino. Albino's have red eyes.

Damn…you are probably right.

I was hoping for a deeper meaning.

broncolife
04-12-2013, 07:25 PM
Just downloaded the 2nd episode, will finally get to watch it tonight.

myMind
04-12-2013, 08:44 PM
Damn…you are probably right.

I was hoping for a deeper meaning.

There is deeper meaning. Ghost is white with red eyes, like the weirwood trees that serve as the eyes of the green men, or any warg with the ability to do so. I think its significant to Jon's storyline.

BroncoBeavis
04-12-2013, 09:53 PM
Honestly, I think you'll have more fun going in the other direction. I read ASOFAI and am currently in the middle of LOTR with my son. There are some theories out there that ASOFAI is basically middle earth after X amount of years. Westeros and Essos were once part of the same continent.

Here it is:
ASOIAF takes place thousands of years after LOTR, after the elves have left. The dwarves, orcs, and other races left over the millennia as the Age of Man took over, taking their magic with them. The last race to leave was the hobbits, also known as Children of the Forest. Enough time has passed over the years that the ocean slowly crept where there once was land. Valyria, located in the land that was once known as Mordor, was destroyed when Mt. Doom erupted one final time.

http://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/17btce/just_a_thought/c846lfu

I don't personally believe this theory, but I've had fun trying to find clues to the truth of this as I read through the LOTR.

Haha. Its nothing as conscious as all that. Kinda like you I promised my boy I'd read through LOTR again when he wanted to go through it. He just finished the Hobbit a month ago or so and is finally excited about it, so I'm locked in.

Taco John
04-13-2013, 12:46 AM
Haha. Its nothing as conscious as all that. Kinda like you I promised my boy I'd read through LOTR again when he wanted to go through it. He just finished the Hobbit a month ago or so and is finally excited about it, so I'm locked in.

Oh, I totally know how that goes. We read through the Hobbit last fall, and started LOTR in December. We're just about done with the two towers.

StugotsIII
04-13-2013, 07:55 AM
There is deeper meaning. Ghost is white with red eyes, like the weirwood trees that serve as the eyes of the green men, or any warg with the ability to do so. I think its significant to Jon's storyline.

I agree…but Bran's wolf doesn't have that and Bran is a powerful dude...

underrated29
04-13-2013, 09:30 AM
I'm not a writer or avid book reader, I did read all of the GOT books though. Anyway, going over all these theories about R+L = J, or ghost having red eyes because of something special- or whatever. My hat is off to grrm and all you writers out there. All of these little sub plots, and miniature details that have to be put in place from the beginning but become after thoughts until the end etc. all of this thought out before hand is impressive. My hat is off to all ya.

Fedaykin
04-14-2013, 11:37 PM
Love the twist that Ramsay is screwing with Theon's head by pretending to be his savior. Fits very nicely into Theon's storyline -- filling in the the "off page" bits.

cutthemdown
04-15-2013, 01:30 AM
Best ending of an episode since Ned Stark lost his head.

Boobs McGee
04-15-2013, 09:25 AM
Best ending of an episode since Ned Stark lost his head.

Agreed...I was sittin there thinkin to myself "self, I know he lost it right around this point in the book, I wonder when they're going to- OOOOOOOOOOOH ****!!!!"


Such a great episode! That whole Podrick scene at the whorehouse was pretty hilarious, as was the scene with the Hand meeting (moving chairs around). Sending Kat's father off in the canoe was also pretty humorous as well...LOTS of subtle comedy in this one!


Question...can someone fill me in on what the hell is going on with Theon I don't recall ANY of this from the books...I just remember him coming back as Reek later on in the fifth one (i think). Who was the kid that saved him in last night's episode??

BoulderBum
04-15-2013, 10:41 AM
Question...can someone fill me in on what the hell is going on with Theon I don't recall ANY of this from the books...I just remember him coming back as Reek later on in the fifth one (i think). Who was the kid that saved him in last night's episode??

My guesses on Theon The kid is actually Ramsay Snow (Bastard of Bolton) and we are seeing the transformation from Theon to Reek. Ramsay saved Theon, which should help mold Theon into his plaything.

As for Jon being sent to climb the wall with Tormond: Interesting that Tormond is climbing the wall. How do you think that will effect Jon's escape from the Wildlings, Bran's involvement, the attack of Castle black from the south, etc..?

bronco militia
04-15-2013, 03:17 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/1CLCOvZOh1o" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

:militia::militia::militia:

awesome

kent156
04-15-2013, 03:47 PM
so this is like a soap opera for guys basically

underrated29
04-15-2013, 05:02 PM
so this is like a soap opera for guys basically



If soap operas have tons of tits and ass, and vajayjays, blood, killing, swords, dragons, and hilarious and cunning commentary. Along with many attractive female characters and good acting (didnt someone win an award)plus magic and zombies- then by all means it is a soap for guys!

kent156
04-15-2013, 05:20 PM
pretty much if this was on nbc, abc or cbs it would just be another lame show like when showtime tried to put dexter on cbs it was lame

underrated29
04-15-2013, 07:19 PM
pretty much if this was on nbc, abc or cbs it would just be another lame show like when showtime tried to put dexter on cbs it was lame




And pretty much if my mom had a dick she'd be my father. But she does not and GOT isn't some puss show on CBS and NBC.




Serious question- do you think if it was not for trindon in the game against Balt we would have been blown out?

IndelibleScribe
04-15-2013, 07:22 PM
pretty much if this was on nbc, abc or cbs it would just be another lame show like when showtime tried to put dexter on cbs it was lame

eh, most of the better shows nowadays are on cable because you can get away with more adult content and nature.
the world is so PC now that if it doesn't fit with family values and become something the entire family can watch(or at least most of it) then it tends to slip and fade away.

you have some darker shows that remain on network tv and some raunchy comedies but you don't see Mad Men, Burn Notice, Son of Anarchy, Walking Dead, White Collar or GOT on network tv.

Bigdawg26
04-15-2013, 07:25 PM
Hey I just started watching it this season. Didn't realize how awesome it was until my finance finally made me watch it. Anyways, that black chick the dragon princess picked up from that douche guy who had the soilders for sale is really hot!

underrated29
04-15-2013, 08:35 PM
Hey I just started watching it this season. Didn't realize how awesome it was until my finance finally made me watch it. Anyways, that black chick the dragon princess picked up from that douche guy who had the soilders for sale is really hot!



Messandi and she is very hot and if things stay status quo then we will be able to enjoy her goods.

Bigdawg26
04-15-2013, 08:41 PM
Messandi and she is very hot and if things stay status quo then we will be able to enjoy her goods.

SWEET! One of the best things about this series is like it has action and hot women. Kinda like Californication but with an actual plot!

Taco John
04-15-2013, 09:59 PM
pretty much if this was on nbc, abc or cbs it would just be another lame show like when showtime tried to put dexter on cbs it was lame

I think you're way off base. This is probably the most ambitious show ever produced for television.

ol#7
04-21-2013, 02:59 PM
Missed episode 3 and AFN isn't doing a re-play over here. Does anyone know a site that I can stream it or download? If so please PM me.

StugotsIII
04-21-2013, 08:11 PM
Great episode!!!

ScottXray
04-21-2013, 08:38 PM
Yeah they definitely crushed this one

Loved the ending on this one... you just knew that the bad mouthing the guy had constantly run would end up biting him in the butt.....

underrated29
04-21-2013, 09:47 PM
Sam roost I made at another place.

Khaleesi is so fugging Hawt!

Drunk Monkey
04-21-2013, 09:47 PM
Unleash the Stormborn!!!

spdirty
04-21-2013, 09:53 PM
Dany is so damn hot. Another awesome episode. I really hope Tywin puts Joffrey in his place soon.

Archer81
04-21-2013, 10:04 PM
Last episode was pretty awesome. Stormborn for president.


:Broncos:

SonOfLe-loLang
04-21-2013, 10:58 PM
I want to cut off my nipples and support the cause. What a great ep

myMind
04-21-2013, 11:58 PM
Her enunciation of Valyrian was kinda frightening in how close it came to my imagination while reading the books. Hot. Her storyline is by far the most faithful. Jaime and Theon are being served well, if not up to expectation. Though Jaime is close. The Kingslanding saga still has hope. Sadly my favorite plots from the books happen north of the wall and I am bored to death and dissapointed with the recreation so far this season. Ghost is somehow not with Jon? Gianstbane isnt jovial, and for some reason leading Jon over the wall instead of the earless king. Sam hasnt earned his nickname?(though that could still happen). Heres hoping that the action north of the wall improves tenfold, Im honestly not to sold on the KBtW.

Kaylore
04-21-2013, 11:59 PM
They do a good job of really getting you behind the Dragon. HBO has always done a great job casting. Diana Rigg's Olena Tyrell is fantastic.

I remember when Tom Sangster was Liam Neeson's kid in Love Actually.

Is that it for Jamie's wound? Just a pep talk from Brienne and some bread?

Aftermath
04-22-2013, 12:33 AM
Best episode yet...I've been waiting for Dany to do that.

McDman
04-22-2013, 06:00 AM
They do a good job of really getting you behind the Dragon. HBO has always done a great job casting. Diana Rigg's Olena Tyrell is fantastic.

I remember when Tom Sangster was Liam Neeson's kid in Love Actually.

Is that it for Jamie's wound? Just a pep talk from Brienne and some bread?

The casting for this show is damn near perfect. I can't really think of many that have been miscasted. Maybe Dondarrion?

v2micca
04-22-2013, 07:32 AM
Sam's nickname is coming.

The fight at the wall is coming.

Sex with Ygritte is coming.

Relax man :)



No, they're on their way to Qyburn at Harrenhal.


I remember being a little geeked out when they introduced Qyburn a couple of episodes back. I had to explain to my brother why he would be important soon.

Also, can anyone who has read the books more recently than I clarify this point, the entire Theon escape fake-out subplot that ran through the first 4 episodes, was that completely created from scratch, or was there some background mention of it in the third book? I just remember Robb receiving vague promises that Theon was being painfully flayed alive by Ramsay Bolton and that was it.

Kaylore
04-22-2013, 08:46 AM
The casting for this show is damn near perfect. I can't really think of many that have been miscasted. Maybe Dondarrion?

I've mentioned it before, but I am not really in love with Lena Headey's Cersei. I think she plays her too quiet, hunched over and reserved. I don't read her that way and don't see her that way. This is someone who is desperate for attention and affection. I see her stronger vocally and physically - not actually larger, but stronger body language. I also don't see why they couldn't find a real blonde. Headey is ok, but her performances aren't very powerful. The closest I've liked is when she threatens Littlefinger and when she's speaking to Sansa during the siege of King's Landing. I wish she was like that all the time.

DivineLegion
04-22-2013, 09:26 AM
They do a good job of really getting you behind the Dragon. HBO has always done a great job casting. Diana Rigg's Olena Tyrell is fantastic.

I remember when Tom Sangster was Liam Neeson's kid in Love Actually.

Is that it for Jamie's wound? Just a pep talk from Brienne and some bread?

Of corse not, did you see him grasp aimlessly with his stump for his sword when he was kicked down. Jamie's journey will be tough, because so much of his evolution is internal dialogue.


In terms of Danny's rise, awesome!

I can't wait for the Red Viper.

v2micca
04-22-2013, 09:59 AM
The only casting that I have disliked so far has been Mance Raydor. The books really set him up as this character with a lot of roguish charm and flair. Ciaran Hinds plays him as just another grumpy old man beyond the wall.

DenverBroncosJM
04-22-2013, 10:05 AM
The casting for this show is damn near perfect. I can't really think of many that have been miscasted. Maybe Dondarrion?

Sansa..can't stand her

scorpio
04-22-2013, 10:10 AM
http://i.imgur.com/OIiLlex.gif

SonOfLe-loLang
04-22-2013, 10:22 AM
Sansa..can't stand her

I think Sansa is annoying, but her character is annoying, not the casting. I have to agree that Lena Headey's Cersei is pretty awesome. I haven't read the books, but I don't trust her one bit, which I think is the point.

The greatest tragedy in the show is I think we'll never see the Khaleesi's tits again. We may see Emilia Clarke's at some point in her career, but never the Khaleesi's. Let's mourn that.

ChampJesusBailey
04-22-2013, 10:23 AM
Cersei seems hotter in recent episodes.

Kaylore
04-22-2013, 10:39 AM
Of corse not, did you see him grasp aimlessly with his stump for his sword when he was kicked down. Jamie's journey will be tough, because so much of his evolution is internal dialogue.
Alas, this is why people should read the books. My favorite characters are even more awesome when you see their thoughts.



I can't wait for the Red Viper.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/yes/yesjacknicholson.gif

Boobs McGee
04-22-2013, 10:40 AM
The only casting that I have disliked so far has been Mance Raydor. The books really set him up as this character with a lot of roguish charm and flair. Ciaran Hinds plays him as just another grumpy old man beyond the wall.

I feel the same way

Taco John
04-22-2013, 03:31 PM
I've mentioned it before, but I am not really in love with Lena Headey's Cersei. I think she plays her too quiet, hunched over and reserved. I don't read her that way and don't see her that way. This is someone who is desperate for attention and affection. I see her stronger vocally and physically - not actually larger, but stronger body language. I also don't see why they couldn't find a real blonde. Headey is ok, but her performances aren't very powerful. The closest I've liked is when she threatens Littlefinger and when she's speaking to Sansa during the siege of King's Landing. I wish she was like that all the time.

I definitely disagree with this and think that the natural progression will prove you wrong. Cersei wasn't as strong a character in the early going as she was after gaining more confidence later on - except in the instances you mention, when she was drunk during the siege. It really wasn't until she felt threatened by Margaery and the Tyrell family that she started to really spread her wings and flex her power openly.

With this last episode, we start to see the seed of her thoughts about her place in her family, and I think with each episode, we'll see that seed grow and get stronger, and she'll become a very powerful presence in the show.

El Guapo
04-22-2013, 04:03 PM
Finally some action here in season 3. After finishing the book last year I've been very impatient for this season... I read the "info" for next weeks episode and I am excited. I shouldn't of done that. haha

I replayed the last 10 minutes of this past episode about 10 times. It was bad arse. Dracarys! :militia:

Kaylore
04-22-2013, 04:25 PM
I definitely disagree with this and think that the natural progression will prove you wrong. Cersei wasn't as strong a character in the early going as she was after gaining more confidence later on - except in the instances you mention, when she was drunk during the siege. It really wasn't until she felt threatened by Margaery and the Tyrell family that she started to really spread her wings and flex her power openly.

With this last episode, we start to see the seed of her thoughts about her place in her family, and I think with each episode, we'll see that seed grow and get stronger, and she'll become a very powerful presence in the show.

Martin doesn't say she's hunched over all the time like an old crone barely whispering her words. If anything that makes more sense later when she puts on weight because she's become a drunk.

MagicHef
04-22-2013, 06:36 PM
Headey's Cercei is basically exactly how I imagined her while reading. I've loved the casting so far, but do agree that Mance is a bit stuffy. Maybe we'll get to see another side of him when he's not leading thousands upon thousands of people away from one certain death towards another.

On a different note, what is going on with Roz/Varys/Olenna discovering Littlefinger's plans for Sansa? Change in plot coming?

lolcopter
04-22-2013, 07:01 PM
this show is insanely good

i still need to rewatch yesterday's episode



theon's story has me completed lost

MagicHef
04-22-2013, 07:29 PM
Martin doesn't say she's hunched over all the time like an old crone barely whispering her words. If anything that makes more sense later when she puts on weight because she's become a drunk.

I took it more as she is trying to quietly contain her rage at the incompetence around her.

IndelibleScribe
04-22-2013, 08:25 PM
Headey's Cersei is spot on. she's a quiet dose of lethal poison.
it takes almost everything you have no to want to see her meet her end. at the same time she's so evil it's kinda hot.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
04-29-2013, 02:11 PM
Missed this week's episode. How was it?

Ratboy
04-29-2013, 03:25 PM
Not as good as the previous week's but way up there.

PS. Ygritte has some rockin abs.

And boobies.

The fight between Hound and Beric Dondarrion was awesome.

El Guapo
04-29-2013, 03:48 PM
That fight scene was good, but overall more non-action. Looks like they're saving everything for the end of the season. weak.

Ratboy
04-29-2013, 03:52 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but this season is supposed to split the third book into 2?

IndelibleScribe
04-29-2013, 04:30 PM
Not as good as the previous week's but way up there.

PS. Ygritte has some rockin abs.

And boobies.

i must say, that windlings gear doesn't do her body justice.

kent156
04-29-2013, 04:42 PM
Not as good as the previous week's but way up there.

PS. Ygritte has some rockin abs.

And boobies.


did we see the same chick I saw a anorexic girl who suppose to be a warrior and what's with the gay scene good thing the last scene was with lena headley

Archer81
04-29-2013, 05:11 PM
did we see the same chick I saw a anorexic girl who suppose to be a warrior and what's with the gay scene good thing the last scene was with lena headley


Gays exist in literature? OMG NOWAI.

Loras is a moron. Obvious what that dude was there for. Hey, I'm in the capital, crazy **** is going on...I'm gonna bone this random dude because he looked at me twice. Stupid. Stupid stupid stupid.

:Broncos:

SonOfLe-loLang
04-29-2013, 05:23 PM
There should be a micro-series where its just Tywin, Tyrion, and Cersei at the table.

Taco John
04-29-2013, 06:01 PM
Gays exist in literature? OMG NOWAI.

Loras is a moron. Obvious what that dude was there for. Hey, I'm in the capital, crazy **** is going on...I'm gonna bone this random dude because he looked at me twice. Stupid. Stupid stupid stupid.

:Broncos:

Loras is like 16.

IndelibleScribe
04-29-2013, 06:06 PM
Loras is like 16.

everyone in the damn novel is young as hell.

Archer81
04-29-2013, 06:18 PM
Loras is like 16.


He could be 56 and it would still be stupid.


:Broncos:

Taco John
04-29-2013, 06:36 PM
That fight scene was good, but overall more non-action. Looks like they're saving everything for the end of the season. weak.

I don't understand this criticism at all. You want them to pack everything into one episode or something? They've got a lot of ground and character development to cover, and they're doing a fine job of it. I'm not finding "action" to be something in short supply.

DivineLegion
04-29-2013, 06:40 PM
The first half of book two is setting up the climactic roller coaster, I guess you have to understand literature to get the point. From this point forward the story will get pretty crazy, but this season is all about set up.

El Guapo
04-29-2013, 08:53 PM
Totally agree, don't get me wrong as I've read all of the books. I'm more concerned with those who have not read the books who become disinterested and thus cause the show to be cancelled.

IndelibleScribe
04-29-2013, 08:55 PM
Totally agree, don't get me wrong as I've read all of the books. I'm more concerned with those who have not read the books who become disinterested and thus cause the show to be cancelled.

i doubt that would happen, GOT has a cult following and if nothing else, the naked chicks will save it

Baba Booey
04-30-2013, 07:50 AM
My favorite storyline in the books is north of the Wall as well.

I think they'll fit Sam's encounter with the Other in this season, but Stannis coming will be left for next year. Or, the huge cliffhanger ending a la Fist of the First Men last season could be Stannis riding in as episode ten closes.

All in all I think the Red Wedding will be episode nine. Next season's big happenings will be the royal wedding and they'll probably end it with Tyrion killing Tywin.

Baba Booey
04-30-2013, 08:01 AM
I think they'll get to the Royal Wedding long before Stannis arrives at the wall.

...but before that we need to get introduced to Oberyn who still hasn't arrived :/

True.

I'm guessing the Red Viper, Stannis, the Royal Wedding and Tyrion/Tywin will be left for next season. Should make for a great one.

This season seems to be focusing almost entirely on the Red Wedding. I don't see anything else crazy happening except Sam/Slayer and the attack on Castle Black/Ygritte's death.

I'm also very interested to see how they do Lady Stoneheart

SonOfLe-loLang
04-30-2013, 09:49 AM
Totally agree, don't get me wrong as I've read all of the books. I'm more concerned with those who have not read the books who become disinterested and thus cause the show to be cancelled.

The show is becoming one of the most popular on TV, has a rabid audience, and whether HBO intended it or not, is becoming the face of the channel.

Its not going away. People aren't watching it for the violence and action. If you want senseless violent bs, watch the walking dead.

bendog
04-30-2013, 10:37 AM
I want to see Jon Snowe's red headed captive/captor naked.

Johnykbr
04-30-2013, 10:47 AM
I want to see Jon Snowe's red headed captive/captor naked.

Not sure if serious?

Johnykbr
04-30-2013, 10:49 AM
The audiobook pronounced Ygritte's name as "ya-greet"...the show pronounced her name like the friggin bird (e-grit). That annoyed the hell out of me.

bendog
04-30-2013, 11:38 AM
Not sure if serious?

seldom, but I tivoed last weekend's episode. I'm not sure why my daugter hasn't qued it up yet. I understand she may be studying for her finals.

bendog
04-30-2013, 11:46 AM
you went there, arsehole

bendog
04-30-2013, 11:48 AM
your arsehole factor cannot be overstated. and that is my only truly serious, nonsarcastic post today.

Boobs McGee
04-30-2013, 11:48 AM
I want to see Jon Snowe's red headed captive/captor naked.

NSFW / NSFKIDS LINK

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/4909081/game-of-thrones-ygritte-seduces-jon-snow-in-a-cave.html

Figure I'd save you the weirdness of watching nakedness with your children.

Drunk Monkey
04-30-2013, 11:55 AM
NSFW / NSFKIDS LINK

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/4909081/game-of-thrones-ygritte-seduces-jon-snow-in-a-cave.html

Figure I'd save you the weirdness of watching nakedness with your children.

eh, I am all for boobies but she may be to far to the other side of the chubby cheerleader spectrum.

but then again Drunk Monkey knows nothing

Fedaykin
04-30-2013, 12:09 PM
Once again, an amazing episode. The writers continue to do an amazing job of getting to the core of the story and adapting it well to the screen.

The actor playing Jaime is about due his emmy methinks. He's doing an amazing job this season with Jaime's arc.


This episode does make me wonder if Shireen becomes more important in B6&7, since they introduced her here. Makes sense with her grayscale affliction and its introduction into the mainline story in B5.

Johnykbr
04-30-2013, 12:23 PM
Itd be nearly impossible for her to be less important, so definitely agree. I think Patchface is going to have something moderately significant too... their significance will probably come from the same event, imo

Did Patchface make an appearance yet on the show? I know during the credits of the last episode that put his odd sayings to a little rhyme but I never saw him

Baba Booey
04-30-2013, 12:33 PM
Book readers:

I just started reading ADWD and finished the first Bran chapter.

Do you think Coldhands is Benjen Stark or is that a little too obvious or George R. R.?

Johnykbr
04-30-2013, 12:59 PM
According to IMDB no.

And is that what that was? The song-ish during the credits?

GF and I were sitting around trying to figure out where it came from.

Yeah, he would always get his Yakov Smirnoff on and pretty much repeat everything she said under the sea. I think they creators saw that had a hit with the Rains of Castamere and are trying a bit too hard this season with those songs.

MagicHef
04-30-2013, 01:01 PM
According to IMDB no.

And is that what that was? The song-ish during the credits?

GF and I were sitting around trying to figure out where it came from.

Shireen was singing Patchface's sayings not only over the credits, but when Stannis first walks into her room. I'm worried that Patchface will not be in the show at all, and the important parts of his character will be incorporated into Shireen.

Baba Booey
04-30-2013, 01:41 PM
Yeah, he would always get his Yakov Smirnoff on and pretty much repeat everything she said under the sea. I think they creators saw that had a hit with the Rains of Castamere and are trying a bit too hard this season with those songs.

They butchered "The Bear and the Maiden", imo.

Old Dude
04-30-2013, 05:49 PM
They butchered "The Bear and the Maiden", imo.

That's really my only complaint about the whole season so far. A big fat pimple on the face of the Mona Lisa. WTF were they thinking?

Oh well.

Meanwhile, for those of you who are looking for a relatively spoiler-free* (and somewhat entertaining) review of the Targaryan and Lannister backstories, let me suggest these links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnfYj-cHM5c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9q4Ht-W164

Caution: CBG19's language might be offensive to some and probably isn't work-safe. But she gets to the point fairly fast.


* assuming you've watched the first two seasons.

StugotsIII
04-30-2013, 05:56 PM
I loved the scene with Stanis and his daughter...first time he was human.

Johnykbr
05-01-2013, 08:12 AM
They butchered "The Bear and the Maiden", imo.

The books showed the inflection in the words and the song just totally threw that away.

El Guapo
05-01-2013, 08:14 PM
Let's have a break from the comments for a second.

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El Guapo
05-01-2013, 08:15 PM
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El Guapo
05-01-2013, 08:15 PM
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El Guapo
05-01-2013, 08:16 PM
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El Guapo
05-01-2013, 08:17 PM
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7313629184/hCF55A0BF/

OK, carry on. :D

IndelibleScribe
05-01-2013, 10:25 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/40a93f48a823dcf7f295e07f7151f668/tumblr_mit4s1NzVZ1qzmhlxo3_500.gif

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s0phr0syne
05-03-2013, 07:36 AM
Something I need spoiled: Do we ever get to see an Arya and Needle reunion?

Drunk Monkey
05-03-2013, 08:37 AM
Something I need spoiled: Do we ever get to see an Arya and Needle reunion?

Yes, then no then we have to wait probably 5 more years to find out if yes again.

Baba Booey
05-03-2013, 10:00 AM
When should we expect the Winds of Winter? 2015?

SonOfLe-loLang
05-03-2013, 10:04 AM
I went to a panel discussion with DB Weiss and David Benioff the other night about the show. I guess I have nothing really of interest to say, but it was cool to get insight into their decision process when it came to adapting the books.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-03-2013, 11:12 AM
You could start with some details!

There wasn't really a particular juicy tidbit, but they did talk about a few things:

-- They chose to portray Cersei in the manner they did because Lena Headey's audition stood out, and they thought the character would benefit from being less of an ice queen.

-- The famous Littlefinger hooker scene from season one was actually not meant to be part of the show at all. It was just an audition seen for Aiden Gillam, but he nailed it, so they incorporated it. Littlefingers character is featured more because they love the actor.

-- Martin's wife made mention that there's one character he won't kill off simply because she's her fav. But then when they made mention of this to George, he scoffed and said "oh, thats just what i told her."

-- Diane Rigg refers to them as naughty little boys.

-- Their scripts often come in really short so they fill them with interesting convos between characters they like (part of the reason for the Arya/Tywin scenes that aren't featured in the book.)

-- The rumor that George told them the ending is true. And they often consult with him about the future to make sure they don't kill off any characters that play an important role in the future.


It was just an interesting discussion about adaptation from books to screen, how much they have to cut out, how they decided to change things here and there.

Taco John
05-03-2013, 11:43 AM
Great stuff. I've listened to several GRRM discussions where he talks about how there are certain "butterfly effect" issues that D&D have to solve. For some reason, I've always thought something more would be of Patchface, so their decision to leave him out entirely is interesting to me. I think he'd have been a huge hit if done right, or a huge flop if not. For whatever reason, I've always thought Patchface would turn out to be some form of "Hodor" to the little princess that was important to the story.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-03-2013, 11:50 AM
They were talking about what a challenge the pilot was to make, to get tone and all the characters down. In fact, the first cut of the pilot (or maybe it was just the first shooting draft of the script, cant recall) was lost on a lot of people because they forgot to mention Jaime and Cersei were brother and sister. So people were like "wait, why is it a big deal that they had sex?"

Johnykbr
05-03-2013, 11:55 AM
I've listened to several GRRM discussions where he talks about how there are certain "butterfly effect" issues that D&D have to solve.

I take it that means GRRM hasn't always been happy with some of the changes then?

IndelibleScribe
05-03-2013, 12:07 PM
There wasn't really a particular juicy tidbit, but they did talk about a few things:

-- They chose to portray Cersei in the manner they did because Lena Headey's audition stood out, and they thought the character would benefit from being less of an ice queen.

-- The famous Littlefinger hooker scene from season one was actually not meant to be part of the show at all. It was just an audition seen for Aiden Gillam, but he nailed it, so they incorporated it. Littlefingers character is featured more because they love the actor.

-- Martin's wife made mention that there's one character he won't kill off simply because she's her fav. But then when they made mention of this to George, he scoffed and said "oh, thats just what i told her."

-- Diane Rigg refers to them as naughty little boys.

-- Their scripts often come in really short so they fill them with interesting convos between characters they like (part of the reason for the Arya/Tywin scenes that aren't featured in the book.)

-- The rumor that George told them the ending is true. And they often consult with him about the future to make sure they don't kill off any characters that play an important role in the future.


It was just an interesting discussion about adaptation from books to screen, how much they have to cut out, how they decided to change things here and there.

fascinating. it doesn't tell a ton but it offers a lot of insight into the how's and why's.

v2micca
05-03-2013, 01:32 PM
Great stuff. I've listened to several GRRM discussions where he talks about how there are certain "butterfly effect" issues that D&D have to solve. For some reason, I've always thought something more would be of Patchface, so their decision to leave him out entirely is interesting to me. I think he'd have been a huge hit if done right, or a huge flop if not. For whatever reason, I've always thought Patchface would turn out to be some form of "Hodor" to the little princess that was important to the story.


I suspect one of the big "butterfly effect" issues is the killing of Mago in the first season. From his interviews, GRRM has indicated that Mago would play a significant role in the upcoming 6th novel. It will be interesting to see how the show runners work around that plot point.

BroncsRule
05-04-2013, 09:01 AM
I suspect one of the big "butterfly effect" issues is the killing of Mago in the first season. From his interviews, GRRM has indicated that Mago would play a significant role in the upcoming 6th novel. It will be interesting to see how the show runners work around that plot point.

Martin himself wrote the script for the season one episode "the pointy end", in which Drogo kills Mago. If he didn't want him dead, maybe he shouldn't have killed him.

Requiem
05-04-2013, 03:29 PM
Just started the second season on BluRay. This show is awesome.

Johnykbr
05-04-2013, 04:20 PM
Martin himself wrote the script for the season one episode "the pointy end", in which Drogo kills Mago. If he didn't want him dead, maybe he shouldn't have killed him.

I get the feeling that GRRM's vision of the ending has changed several times since they started plotting out the series. The concern I have until the Winds of Winter is released, is whether it will stay a TV series based on a book or become a set of books inspired by a TV series.

Considering he is going to waste time creating a book about his favorite sayings and quotes of Tyrion, I don't have much faith in Martin delivering a high quality ending.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
05-04-2013, 04:52 PM
^
Honestly, I'll just be happy if Martin can finish this thing before he kicks the bucket. He's old, in bad shape, and has had health problems on and off for years, though nothing overly serious.

Five years between books sucks. I'm not sure he has ten years left, and he's notorious for over-writing anyway. What started out as a trilogy is now at least 7 books, and I have serious doubts he'll be able to finish the series in two more books. This thing could easily go to 10 books like Sword of Truth or Wheel of Time.

DivineLegion
05-04-2013, 05:05 PM
What about Xaro Xhoan Daxos getting killed in the show?

Fedaykin
05-04-2013, 06:07 PM
One of the things I loved about the last episode was the sword fight was done in a very authentic way. Not prissy fencing crap (which would never work with longswords, hand and a half, etc.). Just two men going at it, using their swords almost as much like clubs as edged weapons.

v2micca
05-04-2013, 10:16 PM
What about Xaro Xhoan Daxos getting killed in the show?

They can work around that easily enough. He was just locked in a vault. Plenty of ways he could have escaped and it would actually play into the antagonistic relation he has developed with Daenerys since book 2.

Taco John
05-05-2013, 12:23 AM
I take it that means GRRM hasn't always been happy with some of the changes then?

Every interview I've read he says he's very happy. He's got a lot of roots in television, so he's very aware of sacrifices that have to be made along the way due to the constraints of television production. He says he sees them as two very different things, and he enjoys watching the adaption. His biggest gripe that I've heard, are that scenes that he thought would make the cut weren't included for one reason or another, even though the were shot or read during casting. But he says it's a small gripe. Overall, he's very pleased with the outcome so far.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
05-05-2013, 03:35 AM
He has to be ecstatic with the show so far. The Sword of Truth fantasy series, which is arguably just as good as Song of Ice and Fire, was made into a TV show and sucked ass. They changed too much, made it episodic, and made what was a heavy R rated series into a PG one.

This is by far the best fantasy adaptation for TV I've ever seen. It's not even remotely close. I remember when Martin announced he was in talks with HBO, I thought there was no way they could pull this off, HBO or not. Everytime I watch the show now, I'm just amazed. The casting is so spot on, the scripts are great and they are actually sticking to the books pretty heavily.

I'm just amazed it all came together so well, and I'm probably more amazed that mainstream folks are watching fantasy in record numbers.

Fedaykin
05-05-2013, 03:39 AM
The Sword of Truth fantasy series, which is arguably just as good as Song of Ice and Fire,

Not even close.

Old Dude
05-05-2013, 06:41 PM
I'm a little worried that King Joff is mellowing out. I haven't heard anyone demanding that he be snuffed for nearly 5 or 6 days now.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m64i5zfviu1rnsm14o5_r2_250.gif

cutthemdown
05-05-2013, 06:48 PM
One of the things I loved about the last episode was the sword fight was done in a very authentic way. Not prissy fencing crap (which would never work with longswords, hand and a half, etc.). Just two men going at it, using their swords almost as much like clubs as edged weapons.

Don't lie you like the gay scenes.

Archer81
05-05-2013, 08:01 PM
I'm a little worried that King Joff is mellowing out. I haven't heard anyone demanding that he be snuffed for nearly 5 or 6 days now.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m64i5zfviu1rnsm14o5_r2_250.gif


Wait for it...


:Broncos:

Requiem
05-05-2013, 08:10 PM
Absolutely hate TV, but this show is just balls to the wall awesome. I finished up the second season this weekend and was blown away. I fell asleep during two episodes (because it was like 2 AM) and I couldn't go onto the next ones (I tried) without refinishing the others. Just so much info. So awesome. Lovely boobs. Cute ladies. People just murking. This show has it all. Could be the greatest of all time.