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Archer81
04-18-2012, 12:32 AM
My brother and my mother love who they cast as the woman who joins Renly's kingsguard...her name escapes me at the moment. All I could think was damn that's a big bitch.


:Broncos:

cutthemdown
04-18-2012, 03:16 AM
The last 2 episodes were sort of boring. Great acting though and i get that they are setting up all the characters before the big battles start. I loved how the Imp set up how to find out who the queens spy was. He's a smart little dude.

El Guapo
04-18-2012, 10:02 AM
I'm looking forward to how they portray the death of Renly Baratheon

I'm looking forward to that as well. And as far as "spoiler" tags being implemented: :yayaya:

^5

BroncsRule
04-18-2012, 12:56 PM
My brother and my mother love who they cast as the woman who joins Renly's kingsguard...her name escapes me at the moment. All I could think was damn that's a big b****.


:Broncos:

Brienne - the Maid of Tarth. She becomes a major character, and yes, first look says they did a good job with the casting - again.

El Guapo
04-18-2012, 04:35 PM
Is the actress honestly that tall or is it camera trickery?

Old Dude
04-18-2012, 04:41 PM
Is the actress honestly that tall or is it camera trickery?

According to her film profile, she's 6'3.

http://meanmassive.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/game-thrones-season-2-cast-Gwendoline-Christie.jpg

I don't think she's fibbing.

Fedaykin
04-23-2012, 09:39 AM
OK, they did a decent job of the dragon fire melted stronghold of Harrenhall even with the radical changes made so far (are they really going to cut Roose out -- that's going to be hard to work around later on), and the actress playing Arya continues to impress.


The scene with the prostitutes and Joffrey was added -- I think in order to make up for not being able to show the true nastiness that sadist Joffrey visits on Sansa. The throne room scene was a relatively tame (if you can believe it) compression of a series of escalating cruelties.

Finally -- I'm actually impressed with what they did with the shadow *spoiler* {assassin} so far. A lot different that what I envisioned in my head, and so far a lot better as well.

And finally. Bronn. How can you not love a guy who has no problem saying about his (deserving of the moniker) King: "Can't fix being a c**t"?

v2micca
04-23-2012, 10:25 AM
And finally. Bronn. How can you not love a guy who has no problem saying about his (deserving of the moniker) King: "Can't fix being a ****"?

God yes. I love Bronn. He is yet another actor perfectly cast for the part. He seems to get some of the best one-liners in the series and tends to make the most out of them.

lolcopter
04-23-2012, 11:00 AM
Looking forward to Joffrey's demise. Sadistic little ****...

Sansa is gorgeous. Love her

JLesSPE
04-23-2012, 11:01 AM
are they really going to cut Roose out -- that's going to be hard to work around later on

Not completely, he was talking to Rob I think this last episode. That kind of confused me that Arrya is now Tywin's cup bearer but Bolton is still in the show...like they just moved where he is. Maybe they'll bring him into Harrenhal later or something. Its been so long since I read the second book a lot of these detail changes are having me question what I read. I think it would've been better as a 30 episode season airing 3 episodes a week...not possible I know

Taco John
04-23-2012, 11:06 AM
OK, they did a decent job of the dragon fire melted stronghold of Harrenhall even with the radical changes made so far (are they really going to cut Roose out -- that's going to be hard to work around later on), and the actress playing Arya continues to impress.


The scene with the prostitutes and Joffrey was added -- I think in order to make up for not being able to show the true nastiness that sadist Joffrey visits on Sansa. The throne room scene was a relatively tame (if you can believe it) compression of a series of escalating cruelties.

Finally -- I'm actually impressed with what they did with the shadow *spoiler* {assassin} so far. A lot different that what I envisioned in my head, and so far a lot better as well.

And finally. Bronn. How can you not love a guy who has no problem saying about his (deserving of the moniker) King: "Can't fix being a ****"?

FYI - [ spoiler ] tags are working. Just put whatever the spoiler is between the tags.

Taco John
04-23-2012, 11:35 AM
Not completely, he was talking to Rob I think this last episode. That kind of confused me that Arrya is now Tywin's cup bearer but Bolton is still in the show...like they just moved where he is. Maybe they'll bring him into Harrenhal later or something. Its been so long since I read the second book a lot of these detail changes are having me question what I read. I think it would've been better as a 30 episode season airing 3 episodes a week...not possible I know

The second season is very different from the book. I'm wondering if they're even going to show Jaquen's three kills. They've advanced the plot well past the Weasel Soup incident - or so it would seem.

McDman
04-23-2012, 11:39 AM
They didn't make Brienne ugly enough though.

lolcopter
04-23-2012, 11:52 AM
They didn't make Brienne ugly enough though.

Disagree

JLesSPE
04-23-2012, 11:56 AM
The second season is very different from the book. I'm wondering if they're even going to show Jaquen's three kills. They've advanced the plot well past the Weasel Soup incident - or so it would seem.

In the preview for next week Jaquen mentions that he owes Arrya 3 lives or something to that effect so I imagine it'll happen next week. There is just so much detail to put into ~10 hours of film. Oh well, its still fun to watch.

Fedaykin
04-23-2012, 11:56 AM
FYI - [ spoiler ] tags are working. Just put whatever the spoiler is between the tags.
sweet! thanks

Jay3
04-23-2012, 12:09 PM
In the preview for next week Jaquen mentions that he owes Arrya 3 lives or something to that effect so I imagine it'll happen next week. There is just so much detail to put into ~10 hours of film. Oh well, its still fun to watch.

Plus I think her praying the names of those she wants to kill is somewhat of an indicator that the 3 lives will be centrally featured. It's just that she opened the cage last week, so it's about time they got around to it.

The people who do not read the spoiler-tagged material are stupid, not smart like those of us reading this.

Bronco Rob
04-29-2012, 11:48 AM
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DarkHorse30
04-29-2012, 04:25 PM
(spoiler alert) read them up until the point where theon (spoiler spoiler quit reading if you are hungry for HBO to poop out another episode) offs Bran and Rickon....for no apparent reason. All the good people die. What's the point of watching? it's nearly as laughable as vampire or zombies movies.

If you are into incest, bastards, dwarves and direwolves this miniseries is right up your alley. It's obvious to me that HBO and Hollyweird in general are playing us like a bunch dummies who can't read. Seriously. Incest is the crux of the story line? Nice...... if only I had sisters.

myMind
04-29-2012, 04:56 PM
(spoiler alert) read them up until the point where theon (spoiler spoiler quit reading if you are hungry for HBO to poop out another episode) offs Bran and Rickon....for no apparent reason. All the good people die. What's the point of watching? it's nearly as laughable as vampire or zombies movies.

If you are into incest, bastards, dwarves and direwolves this miniseries is right up your alley. It's obvious to me that HBO and Hollyweird in general are playing us like a bunch dummies who can't read. Seriously. Incest is the crux of the story line? Nice...... if only I had sisters.

Then don't watch it...and learn how to use the new spoiler tag system

DarkHorse30
04-29-2012, 05:08 PM
Then don't watch it...and learn how to use the new spoiler tag system
I'm not - I'm just surprised after all the hoopla over this series, after reading them the books were bad to begin with.

Archer81
04-29-2012, 05:10 PM
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Right...


:Broncos:

underrated29
04-29-2012, 05:20 PM
(spoiler alert) read them up until the point where theon (spoiler spoiler quit reading if you are hungry for HBO to poop out another episode) offs Bran and Rickon....for no apparent reason. All the good people die. What's the point of watching? it's nearly as laughable as vampire or zombies movies.

If you are into incest, bastards, dwarves and direwolves this miniseries is right up your alley. It's obvious to me that HBO and Hollyweird in general are playing us like a bunch dummies who can't read. Seriously. Incest is the crux of the story line? Nice...... if only I had sisters.



Wow this post is about as epically stupid as that one dude who said as a parent I do not approve of this show.


Guess what dude, your ugly but we still have to see your face. You don't hear is bitching about it

Fedaykin
04-29-2012, 05:24 PM
(spoiler alert) read them up until the point where theon (spoiler spoiler quit reading if you are hungry for HBO to poop out another episode) offs Bran and Rickon....for no apparent reason. All the good people die. What's the point of watching? it's nearly as laughable as vampire or zombies movies.

If you are into incest, bastards, dwarves and direwolves this miniseries is right up your alley. It's obvious to me that HBO and Hollyweird in general are playing us like a bunch dummies who can't read. Seriously. Incest is the crux of the story line? Nice...... if only I had sisters.

They don't die, they trick Theon. Theon just makes it look like their dead by killing some innocent kids that are similar in appearance and burning the bodies.

And, there hasn't been any incest (implied or otherwise) that wasn't in the books. What's your beef?

ZONA
04-29-2012, 07:25 PM
I've watched this series now 1.5 years and I give it a solid B. It just has too much of a "soap" feel to it for an A

Of course I love the series Dexter the most but Homeland really shocked me at how good it was. One of the best 1st year series I have seen so far. And I watch all of the SHO, HBO series. The Borgias is good also, give that one a B. Also got to give a shout out to Shameless, very clever and never a dull moment.

Fedaykin
04-29-2012, 08:04 PM
I've watched this series now 1.5 years and I give it a solid B. It just has too much of a "soap" feel to it for an A


A couple people have said that. What, exactly, makes it have a "soap" feel?

McDman
04-29-2012, 08:17 PM
(spoiler alert) read them up until the point where theon (spoiler spoiler quit reading if you are hungry for HBO to poop out another episode) offs Bran and Rickon....for no apparent reason. All the good people die. What's the point of watching? it's nearly as laughable as vampire or zombies movies.

If you are into incest, bastards, dwarves and direwolves this miniseries is right up your alley. It's obvious to me that HBO and Hollyweird in general are playing us like a bunch dummies who can't read. Seriously. Incest is the crux of the story line? Nice...... if only I had sisters.

Guess you quit reading, eh?

DarkHorse30
04-29-2012, 09:03 PM
Guess you quit reading, eh?

90% into Clash of Kings. I just figured, every hero is dying. If you're into that, fine. But I'm not. I think the guy is a good writer, he drew me right in with the Starks finding the direwolves. Cool. But it's just one stark dying off after another and then after nearly every Stark is killed off you think to yourself, "I've got 2 books left of this? Crikey"

DarkHorse30
04-29-2012, 09:16 PM
Fedaykin - point taken. I'm not patient enough to assume that the kids were alive, especially after their dad bit it at the hands of Cersei's son (from her brother - really? is that a necessary plot line?) maybe I just needed to read longer but the cliffhanger getting you into the 3rd book? I read a lot but this series was too dark and too ugly to be watchable. Plus, you can't watch it with your kids either....what's the point?

Fedaykin
04-29-2012, 09:38 PM
Fedaykin - point taken. I'm not patient enough to assume that the kids were alive, especially after their dad bit it at the hands of Cersei's son (from her brother - really? is that a necessary plot line?) maybe I just needed to read longer but the cliffhanger getting you into the 3rd book? I read a lot but this series was too dark and too ugly to be watchable. Plus, you can't watch it with your kids either....what's the point?

You don't understand why the Cersei & Jaime incest plot is perhaps _the_ most pivotal event in the recent history of this universe? It has ramifications that haven't even been realized yet. Westeros is divided and war torn because of it while going into what promises to be a long (10+ years) winter, the white walkers are returning and Dany is coming back to reclaim her birthright.

It's absolutely a necessary plot line -- it's what sets everything in motion. Without that plot line, life just goes on in Westeros (awaiting the return of the white walkers and Danerys anyway). It completely alters the political, military and social order of the seven kingdoms.

If you don't like -- that's fine to each his own, but you seem to be deeply misunderstanding a lot about what's going on.

Also, a story isn't any good if you can't watch it with your kids? Are you really saying that?

Taco John
04-29-2012, 10:19 PM
I love this saga. I'm 80% into Storm of Swords, and I'm gripped. There's just not enough hours in the day for me right now.

I'm going to be sad when I get to the end of the last book.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
04-30-2012, 07:07 AM
Don't worry. The quality will fall off greatly after SoS, so its not that bad.

I dunno. I thought a Dance With Dragons was stellar, but a Feast for Crows was a little slow due to all the new characters and settings. I've probably read Feast a solid five times now, it definitely grows on you at least. The series as a whole is still my favorite fantasy saga by a mile ahead of Sword of Truth and Symphany of Ages.


As for the HBO series, I think they're doing a good job on something I never thought could be brought to life. I disagree that the show is too dark as some other recent posters have opined. I think there are some great life lessons on treachery and overcoming obstacles. Above all else, I find the story one of overcoming adversity, and I fully expect the "good guys" to win in the end. I just like that figuring out whom the good guys are is difficult.

Old Dude
04-30-2012, 07:38 AM
I think they are doing an amazing job with the TV adaptation.

Long before Martin wrote GoT, his bread and butter was TV screenplay. When that was over, he was sick and tired of writing within those restraints, so he threw all of them out in GoT which was never intended to make it to any sort of screen.

Ironically, here we are, and the writers and producers have to figure out some way to adapt an unadaptable story - - a huge cast, including many young children, incredibly complicated storylines, a deliberately uneven pace, dozens of unique locations that play a major role in the political and military landscape, major characters getting knocked off left and right, lots of gore, lots of FX, characters who have deliberately obscure motives, characters who pop up at one point in the story and then aren't seen or heard from again for thousands of pages and so forth.

They've had to somehow streamline this story far more than LotR and get the jist of someone's character across in just one or two scenes that otherwise evolved through multiple chapters in the books. At the same time, they have to add expositions to get across points only slowly implied by the books.

Then there's the cast. They can hardly hire an actor to play in one scene this season, and then sit on the sidelines for two years. (Looks like they've already had that problem with Gregor Clegane).

All things considered, I'm really impressed with the product. But remember, it's an adaptation, and, by definition, it's not going to be the same.

DarkHorse30
04-30-2012, 09:12 AM
Also, a story isn't any good if you can't watch it with your kids? Are you really saying that?

Yes - murder and mayem is ok by me:sunshine:, but incest? And really all the sex scenes, it's like watching porn with your family. Seriously, think about it. Porn_with_with_your_family.....plus a little incest. Nice.

The book sounds a lot more interesting when you lay it out, but the falderal getting to the good parts is a buncha bunk.

peacepipe
04-30-2012, 09:28 AM
Yes - murder and mayem is ok by me:sunshine:, but incest? And really all the sex scenes, it's like watching porn with your family. Seriously, think about it. Porn_with_with_your_family.....plus a little incest. Nice.

The book sounds a lot more interesting when you lay it out, but the falderal getting to the good parts is a buncha bunk.

go **** yourself, you got nothing better to do than bitch about a TV show that you don't think is appropriate for your kids. don't ****ing watch it & you won't have nothing to bitch about. last I ****ing checked game of thrones was never meant to be a show for kids. JFC, your sensitive.

Kaylore
04-30-2012, 09:37 AM
I think they are doing an amazing job with the TV adaptation.

Long before Martin wrote GoT, his bread and butter was TV screenplay. When that was over, he was sick and tired of writing within those restraints, so he threw all of them out in GoT which was never intended to make it to any sort of screen.

Ironically, here we are, and the writers and producers have to figure out some way to adapt an unadaptable story - - a huge cast, including many young children, incredibly complicated storylines, a deliberately uneven pace, dozens of unique locations that play a major role in the political and military landscape, major characters getting knocked off left and right, lots of gore, lots of FX, characters who have deliberately obscure motives, characters who pop up at one point in the story and then aren't seen or heard from again for thousands of pages and so forth.

They've had to somehow streamline this story far more than LotR and get the jist of someone's character across in just one or two scenes that otherwise evolved through multiple chapters in the books. At the same time, they have to add expositions to get across points only slowly implied by the books.

Then there's the cast. They can hardly hire an actor to play in one scene this season, and then sit on the sidelines for two years. (Looks like they've already had that problem with Gregor Clegane).

All things considered, I'm really impressed with the product. But remember, it's an adaptation, and, by definition, it's not going to be the same.

Great post. Martin also uses the political intricacies and nuances of the medieval political landscape, particularly including the borderline incestuous aspect of the way royals used marriage to broker agreements and gain political power, as a source of inspiration in his works. This is why, as it was back then, the story isn't cut-and-dry or working in the framework of a typical narrative. You aren't going to get a normal hero-villain story arc. I think that is what makes so good; It's originality. However I do understand why that doesn't work for everyone.

Kaylore
04-30-2012, 09:40 AM
And the idea that Bill Clinton is Robert Baratheon is offensive to both men. Clinton was a draft-dodger and Robert really only knew war. Clinton is politically brilliant with a reputation for balancing the budget. Robert was politically simple-minded and spent like a mad man. Honestly Robert is Closer to W. than to Clinton.

Fedaykin
04-30-2012, 09:56 AM
Yes - murder and mayem is ok by me:sunshine:, but incest? And really all the sex scenes, it's like watching porn with your family. Seriously, think about it. Porn_with_with_your_family.....plus a little incest. Nice.

The book sounds a lot more interesting when you lay it out, but the falderal getting to the good parts is a buncha bunk.

Uhh, who said you should watch it with your kids? It's not a kids story....

Kaylore
04-30-2012, 10:51 AM
Fixed

Loved by the people, war hero, threw his meat in every woman, and assasinated

True.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
04-30-2012, 12:22 PM
And the idea that Bill Clinton is Robert Baratheon is offensive to both men. Clinton was a draft-dodger and Robert really only knew war. Clinton is politically brilliant with a reputation for balancing the budget. Robert was politically simple-minded and spent like a mad man. Honestly Robert is Closer to W. than to Clinton.

Yes, but then the author of that chart couldn't have used the W/Hodor joke climax. Wife and I got a good chuckle out of that.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
04-30-2012, 12:30 PM
I dont think its even remotely debatable that more happens in SoS than aFfC and aDwD combined.

Combine that with him having to scrap his original plans two times over (1: to have a multi-year delay in between SoS and aFfC and 2: having to split book 4 into 1.5 books) along with his noted regrets for leaving things hanging as he did at the end of aDwD (also has said in next book all three dangling plot lines will be resolved VERY quickly) and you have exactly what I said... a very good story line that's just not executed nearly as well as SoS was.

Yep, yep. Not debating which book has more events. Just stating that in my opinion the quality of the epic seemed par for the course between the first three and Dance. As stated, I really enjoyed Dance. And while I would agree Feast was a little lackluster compared to the first three books, I still found it to be solid. I don't expect TacoJohn will be too disappointed.

I was not aware he was unhappy with how he left Dance though. I thought the cliffhangers were excellent, even though I think we all know where the characters are headed. Did he clarify his regrets?

DarkHorse30
04-30-2012, 12:33 PM
Uhh, who said you should watch it with your kids? It's not a kids story....

I don't think it's acceptable watching with friends, either. Sex scenes with friends...

"oh yeah, there they are dog style....just like me and you do, Lizzy"

"well, there are wolves in this show, Jim"

"lovely form, and say he lasted quite a while there....but how DOES a dwarf do that without a prop, Amanda?"

"Great question; let's discuss it at dinner"

Seriously, it's vile. I don't want it on my TV. And if the kids DO walk in, (or watch it themselves...because that is what kids do) it's nearly unexplainable....especially the incest.

Sorry gang, I'm just calling it as I see it.....opposing opinions in a GOF thread, pray tell? Blasphemy!

Taco John
04-30-2012, 01:07 PM
Great post. Martin also uses the political intricacies and nuances of the medieval political landscape, particularly including the borderline incestuous aspect of the way royals used marriage to broker agreements and gain political power, as a source of inspiration in his works. This is why, as it was back then, the story isn't cut-and-dry or working in the framework of a typical narrative. You aren't going to get a normal hero-villain story arc. I think that is what makes so good; It's originality. However I do understand why that doesn't work for everyone.


The POV nature of the books is what makes the entire thing a literary masterwork IMO. Everybody is a good guy and everybody is a bad guy depending on the perspective the story is being told from. The video adaptation cant capture that very well. We'll never get to see how Jamie Lannister views himself and the rationalizations behind his actions in the same way the book describes them in the "Jamie" POV chapters...

Archer81
04-30-2012, 01:22 PM
Yes - murder and mayem is ok by me:sunshine:, but incest? And really all the sex scenes, it's like watching porn with your family. Seriously, think about it. Porn_with_with_your_family.....plus a little incest. Nice.

The book sounds a lot more interesting when you lay it out, but the falderal getting to the good parts is a buncha bunk.


History must bother you then. Royals marry other royals. Often, they are damn near brother and sister. See Nicholas II of Russia or King Tut. Then in WWI you have the royal houses of Europe engaged in war against one another and nearly all of them were related to Queen Victoria of the UK.

The porn w/ family thing...knowing what type of series GoT is I'd be leery of letting anyone under 16 watching it. But even then the show is still not as sex filled as the books are.

:Broncos:

Old Dude
04-30-2012, 01:23 PM
I agree with TJ that it's hard to capture the same POV treatment in the series.

There are just some things that books do better. For example, remember all the poems and songs and lineages and legendary background tales that framed Tolkein's LotR. They barely scratched the surface of this stuff in over ten hours of the movie series.

Still, there's a lot that can be done on the screen to "color" someone's POV. A kindness here, a quip there, a quick exposition over there, etc. It will be interesting to see how they handle this.

DarkHorse30
04-30-2012, 03:41 PM
...and I find you thinking and consciously deciding to write out this portion of the post way more awkward than the potential scenarios you've provided.

It is uncomfortable scenes for public viewing. I really don't see how anybody could watch that stuff with friends or family. Just because HBO thinks its ok, doesn't make it ok with me. So Game of Thrones is ONLY OK in your own home, by yourself, without the kids watching.....it seems like......porn.

I don't like when comedy or drama turns blue. Really, it cheapens the humor and the drama. I would love to watch this drama because the story has a TON of twists and turns that Fedaykin pointed out (which I didn't have the patience to read through until it happened) BUT, when its smutty, it just cheapens the whole show. These actions can be hinted at without a full display of f'ing for you and yours, RIGHT ON YOUR TV......like.....you know

vancejohnson82
04-30-2012, 03:47 PM
It is uncomfortable scenes for public viewing. I really don't see how anybody could watch that stuff with friends or family. Just because HBO thinks its ok, doesn't make it ok with me. So Game of Thrones is ONLY OK in your own home, by yourself, without the kids watching.....it seems like......porn.

I don't like when comedy or drama turns blue. Really, it cheapens the humor and the drama. I would love to watch this drama because the story has a TON of twists and turns that Fedaykin pointed out (which I didn't have the patience to read through until it happened) BUT, when its smutty, it just cheapens the whole show. These actions can be hinted at without a full display of f'ing for you and yours, RIGHT ON YOUR TV......like.....you know

the news must make you feel really uncomfortable too...or how about Seinfeld addressing masturbation?

Jay3
04-30-2012, 05:15 PM
It is uncomfortable scenes for public viewing. I really don't see how anybody could watch that stuff with friends or family. Just because HBO thinks its ok, doesn't make it ok with me. So Game of Thrones is ONLY OK in your own home, by yourself, without the kids watching.....it seems like......porn.

I don't like when comedy or drama turns blue. Really, it cheapens the humor and the drama. I would love to watch this drama because the story has a TON of twists and turns that Fedaykin pointed out (which I didn't have the patience to read through until it happened) BUT, when its smutty, it just cheapens the whole show. These actions can be hinted at without a full display of f'ing for you and yours, RIGHT ON YOUR TV......like.....you know

This man is correct.

Shananahan
04-30-2012, 05:28 PM
It is uncomfortable scenes for public viewing. I really don't see how anybody could watch that stuff with friends or family. Just because HBO thinks its ok, doesn't make it ok with me. So Game of Thrones is ONLY OK in your own home, by yourself, without the kids watching.....it seems like......porn.

I don't like when comedy or drama turns blue. Really, it cheapens the humor and the drama. I would love to watch this drama because the story has a TON of twists and turns that Fedaykin pointed out (which I didn't have the patience to read through until it happened) BUT, when its smutty, it just cheapens the whole show. These actions can be hinted at without a full display of f'ing for you and yours, RIGHT ON YOUR TV......like.....you know
It's not porn, it's just titillation. I'll agree that most of it doesn't really add anything to the story or really the overall quality of the show (though Emilia Clarke naked should be making anyone complain), but for you to dismiss it as vile either makes you naive or sheltered.

You've probably missed out on most of the best television of the last decade in this and several other shows by being so easily offended, so squeamish and so reactionary.

Pendejo
04-30-2012, 05:52 PM
I stopped just shy of finishing the first book, haven't seen the television show and don't care to.

Saying that...if someone wants to edit out the nudie parts for Darkhorse30...I'll take them. I'll even discuss them.

DarkHorse
04-30-2012, 06:05 PM
It's an HBO show, why the hell do some of you guys have HBO if it's uncomfortable to watch some of these shows?

Most HBO shows have some sort of sex, sex talk, graphic nudity, etc... in them.

Cancel your HBO and go buy some more bibles and Dr. Suess books to drool over.

cutthemdown
04-30-2012, 06:59 PM
If you want a family show watch something like Merlin on the BBC. Some adults, most adults want to watch programming like Game Of Thrones. Besides a lot of the episodes have no sex.

DarkHorse30
04-30-2012, 08:22 PM
It's an HBO show, why the hell do some of you guys have HBO if it's uncomfortable to watch some of these shows?

Most HBO shows have some sort of sex, sex talk, graphic nudity, etc... in them.

Cancel your HBO and go buy some more bibles and Dr. Suess books to drool over.

I don't have HBO. I talked about the books that I read and referenced the show. My wife saw it at her sister's house and said it was pretty sleasy, and she was uncomfortable watching it with her and her husband.

FWIW, I think the writer is talented, but I didn't like the darkness of the novels. Now I think the slease of HBO is ruining it. I was interested in watching the show, because I thought the book was dark but well written (except for that whole incest thing, which seems to be so central - I'm not convinced), but after talking it over with my wife, I'm uninterested.

So your view is that anybody who is uncomfortable with watching actor's having sex on an HBO show is AUTOMATICALLY a bible-thumping Suesser? Whatever.

Pendejo
04-30-2012, 08:24 PM
I don't have HBO. I talked about the books that I read and referenced the show. My wife saw it at her sister's house and said it was pretty sleasy, and she was uncomfortable watching it with her and her husband.

FWIW, I think the writer is talented, but I didn't like the darkness of the novels. Now I think the slease of HBO is ruining it. I was interested in watching the show, because I thought the book was dark but well written (except for that whole incest thing, which seems to be so central - I'm not convinced), but after talking it over with my wife, I'm uninterested.

So your view is that anybody who is uncomfortable with watching actor's having sex on an HBO show is AUTOMATICALLY a bible-thumping Suesser? Whatever.

Did your wife come up with the sex talk scenario, or was that all you? Do either of you cam?

underrated29
04-30-2012, 08:47 PM
You seem like a nice guy but you really sound like a vagina right now. Im not sure if man card should be revoked or just feel sad for you.

I mean it sounds like you are ashamed about boobs

bowtown
04-30-2012, 08:58 PM
This thread just took a very awesome turn.

Taco John
04-30-2012, 09:12 PM
If there is something amiss,
in your lower courtyard,
to whom will you beckon for help?

Old Dude
04-30-2012, 09:30 PM
Anyone else just notice DarkHorse shoot down DarkHorse30?

This is why they couldn't have Osha and Asha in the same episode.

vancejohnson82
04-30-2012, 09:39 PM
IMO, MTV has some of the trashiest television I've ever seen put on air

however, I'm not going to keep the de-railing of this thread continue....Game of Thrones is a great show/story

Kaylore
04-30-2012, 10:58 PM
I do think the cable shows over-play the nudity. Dexter was so into showing breasts they had one of their characters make fun of it. I suppose since the books don't get too detailed, seeing some of the violence and nudity first hand is a bit of shock. That said, I totally get why it wouldn't be for everybody.

bowtown
05-01-2012, 04:24 AM
I do think the cable shows over-play the nudity. Dexter was so into showing breasts they had one of their characters make fun of it. I suppose since the books don't get too detailed, seeing some of the violence and nudity first hand is a bit of shock. That said, I totally get why it wouldn't be for everybody.

Please... you make it sound like it's Ghostbusters or something.

Jay3
05-01-2012, 04:26 AM
It's unnecessary and over the top. They've got all sorts of things going on in the background at the whorehouse.

It limits the audience for the show, limits the number of people you can recommend it to in clear conscience, limits the age range of the show (old ladies and younger people).

I know most of you are like "Screw them, I con't care about other people, extended family, coworkers, kids, friends at church, screw them all for having a personality different from mine. If they're like that, they're defective and need to change." But it matters to me -- I enjoy having a shared experience of the story with a broad class of my fellow human beings. And Game of Thrones is so gratuitous that it inhibits that.

bowtown
05-01-2012, 04:37 AM
It's unnecessary and over the top. They've got all sorts of things going on in the background at the whorehouse.

It limits the audience for the show, limits the number of people you can recommend it to in clear conscience, limits the age range of the show (old ladies and younger people).

I know most of you are like "Screw them, I con't care about other people, extended family, coworkers, kids, friends at church, screw them all for having a personality different from mine. If they're like that, they're defective and need to change." But it matters to me -- I enjoy having a shared experience of the story with a broad class of my fellow human beings. And Game of Thrones is so gratuitous that it inhibits that.

I feel the same way about movies with both Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan. To each his own. You clearly aren't who the show is trying to cater to.

v2micca
05-01-2012, 04:52 AM
Getting back to discussing the show, I find I'm starting to really get annoyed at some of the changes they have made in season 2. Replacing Jeyne Westerling with the Talisa character was a pretty lame move.

And of course there is still the Mago issue at play. According to George R. R. Martin, he is due to be a important re-occurring character in the upcoming Winds of Winter, but the show already killed him off in Season 1. I just wonder how they plan on back-tracking that one.

Jay3
05-01-2012, 05:46 AM
I feel the same way about movies with both Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan. To each his own. You clearly aren't who the show is trying to cater to.

Maybe not, even though I've read all five books and watch the show every week.

It's possible to like the show and still have a critical opinion. For example, it was dumb as rocks to end last week's show on the Vagina Smoke Man instead of Renly's murder. They should have done the cliffhanger on "what happened to Renly?" and hinted at Vagina Smoke Man.

Jay3
05-01-2012, 05:48 AM
Getting back to discussing the show, I find I'm starting to really get annoyed at some of the changes they have made in season 2. Replacing Jeyne Westerling with the Talisa character was a pretty lame move.

I think this is headed towards an improvement. One of the weak points of the books was how unmotivated Rob's marriage seemed to us, because it occurred "off camera." That kind of stuff won't work for episodic television. So I think a sassy medic was needed to spark our interest in how he fell for his plebian wife.

v2micca
05-01-2012, 06:24 AM
I think this is headed towards an improvement. One of the weak points of the books was how unmotivated Rob's marriage seemed to us, because it occurred "off camera." That kind of stuff won't work for episodic television. So I think a sassy medic was needed to spark our interest in how he fell for his plebian wife.


I disagree. The entire sub-plot with Jeyne was meant to underscore both Robb's youth, and his sense of honor that he inherited from his father.

Spoilerish for those who have not read the books. In the books, Robb is convalescing from an arrow wound when he receives some rather bad news from home. Jeyne Westerling, who had been tending to his injuries, attempts to confort him and being the emotional 16-17 year old kids they are, things get out of hand. Robb, being the possibly overly honorable lad that he is, chooses to marry the girl.

Honestly, in the context of the series, and given the character of Robb Stark, the entire situation made perfect sense. It also re-in-forced the continuing themes of men allowing honor to blind them from common sense often to their own demise.

DarkHorse
05-01-2012, 08:44 AM
Anyone else just notice DarkHorse shoot down DarkHorse30?

Hehehe - wasn't meant like that but......



And no I don't automatically think people who dislike sex on TV are bible thumping suessers, I think they have homosexual tendencies.


j/k - watch what you want while you can. If these idiot bible thumpers make it into office we're all going to be watching reboots of Mr. Rodgers neighborhood or teletubbies.

Old Dude
05-01-2012, 08:55 AM
... I think a sassy medic was needed to spark our interest in how he fell for his plebian wife.

Good point. Another thing is this. In order to streamline Arya's story, they cut out a lot of the "countryside" scenes that showed just how deadly and disruptive the civil war has become for the peasants and villagers - - something that will play a bigger role later. This was a chance to show that a lot of the rank and file citizenry and footsoldiers don't really give a damn who's in charge because they are too busy just trying to stay alive.

Fedaykin
05-01-2012, 10:07 AM
Sounds like a couple people here would be better served watching the Disney channel.

No hate to people who simply don't like the books and/or how HBO does it, but I'm deadly curious: If it's vile and reprehensible as some claim, why do you still watch it and come into a thread to whine about it?

Personally, things I find vile I tend to avoid...

lolcopter
05-01-2012, 11:44 AM
Despite this being a fictional story, much much worse has happened in real life over the course of history re: incestruous royalty, torture, sadistic sexual tendencies, etc.

If you wanna live in a safe little bubble, have at it. Just don't write off what is shaping up to be a phenomenal television production because you thinking everything on HBO (lol) should be rated TV-G

Jay3
05-01-2012, 12:32 PM
No hate to people who simply don't like the books and/or how HBO does it, but I'm deadly curious: If it's vile and reprehensible as some claim, why do you still watch it and come into a thread to whine about it?

Personally, things I find vile I tend to avoid...

I gave my reasons -- it's unnecessary (what people call "gratuitous") and therefore lessons the product. When something is put into the picture that seems gratuitous, it snaps you out of the "spell" that a movie or tv show can have and you, and makes it not as good. It's a criticism, and a valid one. The answer to all criticisms is not "well don't watch it." That's the answer to someone who wants it taken off the air. To someone who is watching it and enjoying it every week (myself), it's invalid to respond like that -- we are entitled to question the product on the screen, whether it's because it's boring, poorly acted, adapted from the books wrong, or in this case, containing too much gratuitous boobies. It makes a large part of the population not want to watch it, and I would prefer they make it for a slightly broader audience.

underrated29
05-01-2012, 12:38 PM
I gave my reasons -- it's unnecessary (what people call "gratuitous") and therefore lessons the product. When something is put into the picture that seems gratuitous, it snaps you out of the "spell" that a movie or tv show can have and you, and makes it not as good. It's a criticism, and a valid one. The answer to all criticisms is not "well don't watch it." That's the answer to someone who wants it taken off the air. To someone who is watching it and enjoying it every week (myself), it's invalid to respond like that -- we are entitled to question the product on the screen, whether it's because it's boring, poorly acted, adapted from the books wrong, or in this case, containing too much gratuitous boobies. It makes a large part of the population not want to watch it, and I would prefer they make it for a slightly broader audience.




while this makes sense, and I get what you are saying- i disagree partially.


A large part of the population does watch it as it is booming and the books have become best sellers now and dinklage and some other were up or won Emmys because of this show, which is there because of the large population.

Also, the larger population of men in the world feel that any boob shot is a good shot. And not overzealous by any means. I do not feel that the show has gone too far on the tits and ass, hell you even see hodors wang in the first series. But it is what makes the appeal. This is an adult show, which mimics real life and the book very very closely. I think most of the audience that watch this show enjoy the uncensored part of it as we can relate to this show as we do in life.

Maybe not all the whoring and such but you get what I mean. I think it is perfect!

Gort
05-01-2012, 12:49 PM
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/hilarious-dirty-joke-photos-humor-33.jpg

supermanhr9
05-01-2012, 01:04 PM
Wow... just be glad that they haven't shown or created the back story of "The Mountain". You'd really by boo-hooing judging by the amount you let some boobies on TV affect you. "The Mountain" is a straight evil dude that is probably the darkest character in the entire series, him or Roose Bolton's Bastard Son.

JLesSPE
05-01-2012, 01:36 PM
Shouldn't Vargo Hoat be showing up soon? I'm all confused with the timeline now that they're moving things around. I know Brienne still has to escort Jaime from the riverlands and all that, but I thought Hoat took over Harrenhal well before that. Maybe its after Tywin leaves.

myMind
05-01-2012, 02:01 PM
I gave my reasons -- it's unnecessary (what people call "gratuitous") and therefore lessons the product. When something is put into the picture that seems gratuitous, it snaps you out of the "spell" that a movie or tv show can have and you, and makes it not as good. It's a criticism, and a valid one. The answer to all criticisms is not "well don't watch it." That's the answer to someone who wants it taken off the air. To someone who is watching it and enjoying it every week (myself), it's invalid to respond like that -- we are entitled to question the product on the screen, whether it's because it's boring, poorly acted, adapted from the books wrong, or in this case, containing too much gratuitous boobies. It makes a large part of the population not want to watch it, and I would prefer they make it for a slightly broader audience.

What do you find gratuitous? Im curious. Every sexual act and squirmy, cringe inducing scene has happened in real life I would bet. Gay sex? yes it has. Incest? yes it has. ****ed up **** happening in a brothel? yes it has. Murder and betrayal? yes it has. Demon shadow babies? errr...maybe not so much.

What outside of your own taste and opinion says that a show should only portray the happy and moral side of life. I understand that some people dont like watching sex and grisly death, it makes them uncomfortable. These need to realize that some people don't mind the realism it adds.

Like many others here have said.
If you don't like, fine, just dont watch it, and dont bother the people who enjoy it.

myMind
05-01-2012, 02:05 PM
Shouldn't Vargo Hoat be showing up soon? I'm all confused with the timeline now that they're moving things around. I know Brienne still has to escort Jaime from the riverlands and all that, but I thought Hoat took over Harrenhal well before that. Maybe its after Tywin leaves.

Vargo captures brienne and jaime as they flee south, he brings them to harrenhal where Bolton is the current lord. Bolton frees Jaime and leaves the castle to Vargo.

myMind
05-01-2012, 02:30 PM
While all true, JLessPe is right or close to right. He's introduced before the instances you mention... roughly at the time we're at now in the show only the equivalent in the books. He's the one Tywin leaves in charge when he leaves and then double crosses him by making the deal with Bolton

If Im not mistaken, we only see Hoat and his companions once through Aryas pov at Harrenhel, before he captures jaime. Since Hoat hasnt been cast, they may just leave out that scene where Arya sees them riding through the courtyard. I also doubt they will have Jaime being captured this season, though Im relatively certain he will be released this season.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-01-2012, 02:47 PM
I wrote this for my blog...admittedly not my best work, but might give you a chuckle...i hope: http://peelingtheskin.blogspot.com/2012/05/what-may-1st-means-to-me-im-obsessed.html

Taco John
05-01-2012, 03:03 PM
I'm at the end of Storm of swords, and my head is spinning at how this entire universe has been flipped on its head. I can't wait to see if/how Littlefinger, Stanis, and Jon Snow's stories intercross - and what happens when Dany crosses the sea...

SonOfLe-loLang
05-01-2012, 03:23 PM
yeah, i gotta stop reading this thread...i havent read the books

spdirty
05-01-2012, 03:34 PM
I feel like a real asshole now. Have every episode recorded and my grandma came and visited me bout 2 weeks ago, I turned her onto it, we watched every episode in marathon style from the first to the thirteenth, and she was bitching about all the sex and violence. I'd known it was in there but kind of forgot how much was in there till she was bitching about it. Oh well.

Archer81
05-01-2012, 03:54 PM
I feel like a real a-hole now. Have every episode recorded and my grandma came and visited me bout 2 weeks ago, I turned her onto it, we watched every episode in marathon style from the first to the thirteenth, and she was b****ing about all the sex and violence. I'd known it was in there but kind of forgot how much was in there till she was b****ing about it. Oh well.


My grandmother caught an episode where Theon's junk is on display. Apparently he reminds her of my grandfather when he was younger. Which is completely and utterly gross. I hope she means his face...

I really hope she means his face.

:Broncos:

ZONA
05-01-2012, 04:08 PM
A couple people have said that. What, exactly, makes it have a "soap" feel?

I would say the "soap" feel comes from having so many characters and all the dialog scene switching between all them and the fact there really is no lead character to help tie the plot to. And the amount of action for this type of series is more then a bit lacking. And there is a real void in the suspense department. I don't feel, between episodes, that I can't wait to see what happens next. I like the show, and I will still continue to watch it because there are some really good things I like about it but so far it's a bit of a let down overall.

Give Homeland a try. You'll get more action, more suspense. A very well made show so far.

Fedaykin
05-01-2012, 04:29 PM
I would say the "soap" feel comes from having so many characters and all the dialog scene switching between all them and the fact there really is no lead character to help tie the plot to. And the amount of action for this type of series is more then a bit lacking. And there is a real void in the suspense department. I don't feel, between episodes, that I can't wait to see what happens next. I like the show, and I will still continue to watch it because there are some really good things I like about it but so far it's a bit of a let down overall.


I agree it's much more of an ensemble show than almost everything else on TV, though I would say that several characters emerge as the main characters (both in the books and the series): Dany, Jon, Ned (until he dies) and then Tyrion. Arya could be, but her story is so disconnected from the rest it's hard to classify what she is.

Anyway, I didn't realize that's "soapy" but OK =) I figured you were going to say it was too melodramatic or something like that.

It's doing a good job of being true to the source material despite the radical differences needed to make it a TV series. It's a very character driven/cerebral series, with a lot of the "happenings" going on in the character's head (Tyrion's chapters are generally a riot to read). The books don't have a ton of action. I would have been very upset had they converted it into a action packed, swords & sorcery type series.


Give Homeland a try. You'll get more action, more suspense. A very well made show so far.

It's been on my list, but I don't have much time for TV these days. Hopefully showtime has some sort of streaming option like HBO that will let me watch at my leisure.

Jay3
05-01-2012, 04:50 PM
What do you find gratuitous? Im curious. Every sexual act and squirmy, cringe inducing scene has happened in real life I would bet. Gay sex? yes it has. Incest? yes it has. ****ed up **** happening in a brothel? yes it has. Murder and betrayal? yes it has. Demon shadow babies? errr...maybe not so much.

What outside of your own taste and opinion says that a show should only portray the happy and moral side of life. I understand that some people dont like watching sex and grisly death, it makes them uncomfortable. These need to realize that some people don't mind the realism it adds.

Like many others here have said.
If you don't like, fine, just dont watch it, and dont bother the people who enjoy it.

I would answer, but you're not genuinely interested. You kept going and repeated the "just don't watch it" tripe.

Jay3
05-01-2012, 04:52 PM
I feel like a real a-hole now. Have every episode recorded and my grandma came and visited me bout 2 weeks ago, I turned her onto it, we watched every episode in marathon style from the first to the thirteenth, and she was b****ing about all the sex and violence. I'd known it was in there but kind of forgot how much was in there till she was b****ing about it. Oh well.


Yeah, I've had to watch carefully who I recommend it to. I have a broad group of friends, all sorts -- soccer moms, older men, coworkers, etc. -- who I don't want to offend. Last week Littlefinger wiped visible, creamy spunk off the mouth of a whore and sent her over to kiss on a guy.

myMind
05-01-2012, 06:17 PM
I would answer, but you're not genuinely interested. You kept going and repeated the "just don't watch it" tripe.

Probably because it's good advice to give someone who takes issue with the graphic nature of the story. BTW, if I wasn't interested, I wouldn't have asked.

Jay3
05-01-2012, 06:34 PM
Probably because it's good advice to give someone who takes issue with the graphic nature of the story.

One day you'll develop a critical mind, and you'll learn it's okay to watch something and still have some critical thoughts about it. There's more categories between (1) love everything about it; and (2) don't watch it.

Old Dude
05-01-2012, 07:12 PM
... "The Mountain" is a straight evil dude that is probably the darkest character in the entire series, him or Roose Bolton's Bastard Son.

There are definitely a few characters who have no redeeming qualities at all. They tend to offset the vague grey types.

Taco John
05-02-2012, 01:30 AM
This book is blowing my mind... It's 1:30am and I'm sitting here elated cheering for Sandor Clegane. I've got to get some sleep, but how can I with all this adrenaline!

ARYA GOT NEEDLE BACK! SO AWESOME! I LOVE IT!

Taco John
05-02-2012, 05:00 PM
Storm of Swords is going to be a tough book to follow. I'm preparing myself for a let down with the next two books. I don't see any way this gets better until the final climax in book six. I'm going to look at the next two books as building up to that.

But man... Storm of Swords - excellent, excellent, excellent.

Jay3
05-02-2012, 05:11 PM
I liked aFfC way more than most, but it certainly doesnt compete with SoS

Also... There will be no final climax in book 6, sir

It feels like about 11 books at this point -- he's going all "Wheel of Time" on us.

Houshyamama
05-02-2012, 05:13 PM
:)This thread is full of unmarked spoilers, not reading it anymore

Old Dude
05-02-2012, 05:51 PM
Storm of Swords is going to be a tough book to follow. I'm preparing myself for a let down with the next two books. I don't see any way this gets better until the final climax in book six. I'm going to look at the next two books as building up to that.

But man... Storm of Swords - excellent, excellent, excellent.

Most of the critics I've read agree that SoS is the book that really elevates this series into special territory.

You have one big advantage here, which is that you don't have to wait several years for books 4 and 5 to come out. Of course, who knows how long it will take for #6.

Fedaykin
05-02-2012, 07:49 PM
Storm of Swords is going to be a tough book to follow. I'm preparing myself for a let down with the next two books. I don't see any way this gets better until the final climax in book six. I'm going to look at the next two books as building up to that.

But man... Storm of Swords - excellent, excellent, excellent.

I found book 4 and 5 to be a let down in the first 1/3 of each, but once Martin get's the particular arcs moving they are excellent, though certainly not SoS level of epicness.

The problem with Book4&5 (really they are one book) is they are pretty much the lul between storms. The War of Five Kings pretty much burns out by the end of SoS and AFfC focuses on everyone in the seven kingdoms picking up the pieces and trying to put them back together. That's the meaning of the title -- literally crows feasting on the bodies of the dead after a battle.

Dance with Dragons is much better as it's dealing much less with the fallout of the wary, and by the time the timelines of 4&5 merge at the end things start picking up again.


One of the things that I find most interesting about a Feast for Crows is that we learn that Cersei is just as ineffective a leader as her late husband. Both were skilled (in different ways) in gaining the throne, but both are miserable failures at sitting it.

ZONA
05-03-2012, 02:37 AM
I agree it's much more of an ensemble show than almost everything else on TV, though I would say that several characters emerge as the main characters (both in the books and the series): Dany, Jon, Ned (until he dies) and then Tyrion. Arya could be, but her story is so disconnected from the rest it's hard to classify what she is.

Anyway, I didn't realize that's "soapy" but OK =) I figured you were going to say it was too melodramatic or something like that.

It's doing a good job of being true to the source material despite the radical differences needed to make it a TV series. It's a very character driven/cerebral series, with a lot of the "happenings" going on in the character's head (Tyrion's chapters are generally a riot to read). The books don't have a ton of action. I would have been very upset had they converted it into a action packed, swords & sorcery type series.



It's been on my list, but I don't have much time for TV these days. Hopefully showtime has some sort of streaming option like HBO that will let me watch at my leisure.

Yeah I wasn't expecting it to be an action packed type of series but it is none the less lacking in that area. And the few action scenes of late have been terrible. I mean, some 6'5 duck footed women kicks the ass of that so called "
one of the best swordsmen" in that army, cmon.


FYI - Homeland info:

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Season 1 is On Demand right now - http://www.sho.com/sho/schedules/ondemand/series#/series/804/homeland

This is for sure a can't miss series. The acting and screen writing is as good as a featured film.

v2micca
05-03-2012, 04:45 AM
Yeah I wasn't expecting it to be an action packed type of series but it is none the less lacking in that area. And the few action scenes of late have been terrible. I mean, some 6'5 duck footed women kicks the ass of that so called "
one of the best swordsmen" in that army, cmon.


Brienne of Tarth is no slouch herself. And any fighting instructor will tell you, when you are facing an opponent who has 5 inches and 60 pounds on you and actually has a pretty decent clue of what they are doing in a fight, odds really aren't in your favor, no matter how good you are.

Ser Loras is very good. But Brienne is a Freak. Freak tends to trump very good.

BroncsRule
05-05-2012, 02:26 PM
Brienne of Tarth is no slouch herself. And any fighting instructor will tell you, when you are facing an opponent who has 5 inches and 60 pounds on you and actually has a pretty decent clue of what they are doing in a fight, odds really aren't in your favor, no matter how good you are.

Ser Loras is very good. But Brienne is a Freak. Freak tends to trump very good.

Also, longsword fighting just isn't very elegant. There's a reason they call it "hack 'n slash". Our modern sensibilities about sword fighting have been informed by 50+ years of Erol Flynn/musketeer style fencing and Star Wars light sabers. BTW, if you like accurate portrayals of period fighting, rent Ironclad.

BroncsRule
05-05-2012, 02:36 PM
It feels like about 11 books at this point -- he's going all "Wheel of Time" on us.

Yep - my fear is that he's going to "pull a Jordan" and die on us before he finishes.

IMHO, from reading his "not a blog" over the last couple 3 years, he's bored s#!tless with writing about Westros. He's nowhere near done and he's out of gas. But his incredibly high standards won't allow him to just mail it in.

Buckey Backer
05-06-2012, 07:37 AM
My wife got me into it and its an AWESOME series!!!!!!!

peacepipe
05-07-2012, 11:53 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/07/tv-redheads_n_1478075.html

gotta say I'm starting to have a thing for red heads.

lolcopter
05-07-2012, 12:18 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/07/tv-redheads_n_1478075.html

gotta say I'm starting to have a thing for red heads.

Her and melisandre are both babes

JLesSPE
05-07-2012, 12:54 PM
Her and melisandre are both babes

Melisandre has a jacked up face. And the whole giving birth to demon shadow babies thing

Heyneck
05-07-2012, 12:59 PM
Getting back to discussing the show, I find I'm starting to really get annoyed at some of the changes they have made in season 2. Replacing Jeyne Westerling with the Talisa character was a pretty lame move.

And of course there is still the Mago issue at play. According to George R. R. Martin, he is due to be a important re-occurring character in the upcoming Winds of Winter, but the show already killed him off in Season 1. I just wonder how they plan on back-tracking that one.

If you closely pay attention... you can tell Talisa is not telling the truth about who she really is. My guess is that she could really be Jeyne Westerling.

JLesSPE
05-07-2012, 01:06 PM
If you closely pay attention... you can tell Talisa is not telling the truth about who she really is. My guess is that she could really be Jeyne Westerling.

I thought about that...I don't remember the books going over Rob and Jeyne in detail before "Oh hey we're gettin hitched"

Fedaykin
05-07-2012, 01:07 PM
If you closely pay attention... you can tell Talisa is not telling the truth about who she really is. My guess is that she could really be Jeyne Westerling.

The promotional info I've seen talks about Jeyne being cast, so either you are right and/or Talisa is just there to help the viewer understand that Robb is promised to a Frey and that not following through with that commitment is not a good thing for Robb.

Heyneck
05-07-2012, 01:08 PM
I thought about that...I don't remember the books going over Rob and Jeyne in detail before "Oh hey we're gettin hitched"

Yup... they are just trying to drama it up a notch.

Heyneck
05-07-2012, 01:13 PM
The promotional info I've seen talks about Jeyne being cast, so either you are right and/or Talisa is just there to help the viewer understand that Robb is promised to a Frey and that not following through with that commitment is not a good thing for Robb.

Could be... but Kat's intervention yesterday showed that Talisa was keeping her real name under wraps.

McDman
05-07-2012, 01:23 PM
Maybe it's just me but Daenerys' story line bores the hell out of me. It did in the books and it does so even more in the show.

Fedaykin
05-07-2012, 01:27 PM
Maybe it's just me but Daenerys' story line bores the hell out of me. It did in the books and it does so even more in the show.


Yeah, Martin dropped the ball when the planned 3 books became 6-8. He had to figure out how to keep Dany away from Westeros until whatever he has planned for the climax occurs.

I've always assumed Dany and the White Walkers would invade at about the same time, and she would end up defending the seven kingdoms instead of conquering it.

v2micca
05-08-2012, 06:32 AM
Maybe it's just me but Daenerys' story line bores the hell out of me. It did in the books and it does so even more in the show.

I find her story easier to tolerate in the series, possibly due to the large amount of skin often visible, but yeah, I find her and Jon Snow's arcs to be the least compelling over all as they tend to be so far removed from the rest of the political wranglings in Westeros. This all changes eventually, slogging through the Daenerys and Jon Snow chapters in book two were just a chore.

supermanhr9
05-08-2012, 06:59 AM
I agree. However Jon Snow's story starts picking up a lot faster than little Dany. They did such a great job casting all these characters!

s0phr0syne
05-14-2012, 02:55 PM
Bump for new Ep. Not certain what to make of the end...the real deal or just impostor corpses?

underrated29
05-14-2012, 03:11 PM
Bump for new Ep. Not certain what to make of the end...the real deal or just impostor corpses?

Someone else asked this on another board. But we cant answer. I would say go with what your gut is telling you.


This episode slightly let me down in the fact that I was expecting khaleesi to go to the undying in this episode...Instead they just built it up that much more. Same with John snows part and with Tryion and the impending battle.



SPOILER_KINDA SORTA- If you havent read the books then maybe dont read this.I think with the build up from khaleesi and john and tyrion that -Theon will fade out now I think and jaime and brienne will pick up in place. Aryas part will slowly fade out too and then the remaining of the season will pick up with the battle of wildfire and denaryus and then finish with bran and robb and jaime.

Old Dude
05-14-2012, 03:30 PM
Bump for new Ep. Not certain what to make of the end...the real deal or just impostor corpses?

People reading the books were left with exactly the same question.

If this was an ordinary story, you could assume (99% of the time) that they were imposters. But with Martin's willingness to kill off anyone, anytime in any way he likes ... you just can't count on anything. :~ohyah!:

Archer81
05-14-2012, 03:34 PM
I feel bad for the fools in the tower of the undying. Poor, poor fools.

:Broncos:

Fedaykin
05-14-2012, 03:53 PM
I'm getting more and more worried they are going to significantly change the climax at King's landing. So far only some of the things that should have been hinted at as in the books have been hinted about.

They might have to change it for SFX budget reasons.

What I mean is:

Tyrion should have already reassigned all the forges to start building chain links by now.

Archer81
05-14-2012, 04:31 PM
^ Mixing Tower of Joy and House of Undying


True.

:Broncos:

Fedaykin
05-14-2012, 04:34 PM
The chain started VERY early in the books. I'm pretty certain they're just skipping that part but will still have the trap by setting the river on fire


If you're right that they'll skip the chain, it'll be interesting to see how they stage the battle as the chain was integral in trapping Stannis's fleet on the part of the river set aflame by wildfire.

Also I wonder how they handle Davos's arc after the BotB without the chain/pileup of ships there to help him survive/get stranded.

myMind
05-14-2012, 04:34 PM
^ Mixing Tower of Joy and House of Undying

That actually just might work. I hope they do.

cutthemdown
05-14-2012, 05:09 PM
I didn't like this last episode. Way too much time last 2 episodes with Snow and the girl walking around in the frozen North. All we learned from that could have been done in one 5 minute segment. BORING!

So there is only 1 episode left? Totally crap when does Walking Dead start!

Dutch
05-14-2012, 05:53 PM
I didn't like this last episode. Way too much time last 2 episodes with Snow and the girl walking around in the frozen North. All we learned from that could have been done in one 5 minute segment. BORING!

So there is only 1 episode left? Totally crap when does Walking Dead start!

3 episodes left. Plenty of time for a roaring finish to season 2, and a setup for season 3.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
05-14-2012, 06:53 PM
I enjoyed the last episode, thought it was one of the better ones as of late. I'm pretty loyal to the vision of the books, but I thought some of the liberties the show has taken as of late are excellent improvements in terms of more interesting story arcs. There's still far too much that is left out to appease me, but I find the shows interesting to watch, rather than infuriating, because I'm not entirely sure what will happen next. However, this series does not even remotely approach the overall magnificance of the novels due to so much material and back story omitted. And they really need to stop making both Littlefinger and Jon Snow look like bumbling doofuses.

Doggcow
05-14-2012, 09:43 PM
I didn't like this last episode. Way too much time last 2 episodes with Snow and the girl walking around in the frozen North. All we learned from that could have been done in one 5 minute segment. BORING!

So there is only 1 episode left? Totally crap when does Walking Dead start!

I feel like they condense a lot of good plot into single episodes, and then spread a lot out in others. It's poorly transitioning, imo.

cutthemdown
05-15-2012, 01:54 AM
I feel like they condense a lot of good plot into single episodes, and then spread a lot out in others. It's poorly transitioning, imo.

didn't read the books but i hear people say wow how will they fit everything in? Then some epsisodes seem drawn out like you said. Or some story line do. . Glad there is more episodes left then i thought.

Looking forward to house of the undying to see what happened to the dragons. That and i can't wait for that punk Greyjoy to get his. I am hoping he does.

tnedator
05-15-2012, 05:00 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/07/tv-redheads_n_1478075.html

gotta say I'm starting to have a thing for red heads.

I wouldn't mind being captured by a Wildling like that -- stones and bone and all....

Dutch
05-15-2012, 05:42 AM
I wouldn't mind being captured by a Wildling like that -- stones and bone and all....

Rose Leslie. I can't believe BroncoSteven hasn't been on here raving about her as she was in Downton Abbey. She could be my wife's sister at that age, although my wife is a little taller. Same color hair and eyes, though. Spot on.

Broncos_OTM
05-15-2012, 06:27 AM
can we get a spoiler thread? that way i don't have to pain myself looking it up on my phone. thanks in advance

El Guapo
05-15-2012, 08:12 AM
"spoiler tags" have recently been implemented on the forum, so as long as people use them you shouldn't have a problem.

El Guapo
05-15-2012, 08:14 AM
N/m, I see what you are saying. There are a couple potential options to your dilemma; 1) maybe Tapatalk will help (?), 2) hit quote on the spoiler post and it'll quickly show you what's within the spoiler tags.

Dutch
05-15-2012, 10:47 AM
N/m, I see what you are saying. There are a couple potential options to your dilemma; 1) maybe Tapatalk will help (?), 2) hit quote on the spoiler post and it'll quickly show you what's within the spoiler tags.

nice catch, El G

El Guapo
05-15-2012, 04:31 PM
Edit:

Fixed. Thanks mods.

Taco John
05-18-2012, 05:10 PM
So I loved Feast for Crows, but I can understand why people felt let down by it. I didn't care for the Brienne chapters - they were long and arduous, but I loved the Cersei story line and watching her botch everything up while fancying herself Tywinn's true heir.

It's amazing to me how I've gone from hating Jamie Lannister to absolutely loving him. I'm 1/3 the way through Dance with Dragons, and am bummed out that there isn't much on Jamie's storyline yet. I really like his POV chapters.

I can see where people who read all the way through the books can get fatigue. This world sucks you in and takes a lot from you while you're there. I dream these books, and am not going to know the world once they're not part of it anymore. I'm already sad that I'm coming to the end of what's written, but at the same time I'm looking forward to getting my life back.

El Guapo
05-18-2012, 07:32 PM
****ING use the spoiler tags. Im reading that book right now, I dont need your review unexpectedly.

Taco John
05-18-2012, 07:43 PM
Not much of a spoiler there. But I x'ed out what might be considered a spoiler.

Dutch
05-18-2012, 08:21 PM
Not much of a spoiler there. But I x'ed out what might be considered a spoiler.

You might consider getting rid of the original post that you didn't edit (ie....the spoiler is still sitting there, Bro'). You made a duplicate post and hid the spoiler in that one.:wave:

Castle
05-18-2012, 08:36 PM
Love the show, love the Broncos, but I'm a crazy UK British guy

underrated29
05-18-2012, 10:13 PM
Love the show, love the Broncos, but I'm a crazy UK British guy




How come the entire cast is all crazy UK british people. Are Brits just that much more awesome with swords and such that we all need to pay our respects?

By the way they have cast this show, this seems true. But I was a bit surprised


I also watched some british spy comedy with jamie lannister as a bad hit man, and the guy from your highness with the metal hand as the Baker...it was funny.

Archer81
05-18-2012, 10:38 PM
How come the entire cast is all crazy UK british people. Are Brits just that much more awesome with swords and such that we all need to pay our respects?

By the way they have cast this show, this seems true. But I was a bit surprised


I also watched some british spy comedy with jamie lannister as a bad hit man, and the guy from your highness with the metal hand as the Baker...it was funny.


Same reason whenever you have movies or shows about Rome, Englishmen are playing the Romans...unless its a bad Roman, in which case they get an American.

Latent anti-Americanism. Totally.

:Broncos:

myMind
05-18-2012, 10:51 PM
How come the entire cast is all crazy UK british people. Are Brits just that much more awesome with swords and such that we all need to pay our respects?

By the way they have cast this show, this seems true. But I was a bit surprised


I also watched some british spy comedy with jamie lannister as a bad hit man, and the guy from your highness with the metal hand as the Baker...it was funny.

They film in the UK and Europe and are therefore contractually obligated to hire a cast almost exclusively from the native actor talent pool. It works quite well IMO. Want to see something cool??? Watch the Kingdom of Heaven (http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7033813/Kingdom_of_Heaven_(2005)_Directors_Cut_720p_BrRip_-_1.1GB_-_YIFY) directors cut and count how many actors you recognize from HBO epics and other tv shows (Rome, GoT, etc.)

Heres a hint...you might need two hands.

Dutch
05-19-2012, 08:20 PM
They film in the UK and Europe and are therefore contractually obligated to hire a cast almost exclusively from the native actor talent pool. It works quite well IMO. Want to see something cool??? Watch the Kingdom of Heaven (http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7033813/Kingdom_of_Heaven_(2005)_Directors_Cut_720p_BrRip_-_1.1GB_-_YIFY) directors cut and count how many actors you recognize from HBO epics and other tv shows (Rome, GoT, etc.)

Heres a hint...you might need two hands.

Big fan of the director's cut of KoH, changed the whole movie for me. Wasn't pleased at all with the theatrical version.

v2micca
05-21-2012, 05:52 AM
It's amazing to me how I've gone from hating Jamie Lannister to absolutely loving him. I'm 1/3 the way through Dance with Dragons, and am bummed out that there isn't much on Jamie's storyline yet. I really like his POV chapters.



I remember feeling the exact same way about Jamie. It really is remarkable how when I started reading the series I pretty much pegged Jaime as one of the main villains in the first book, but was flat out rooting for him big time by the end of the third. I'm very happy that they managed to get Nikolaj Coster-Waldau to play his role. He perfectly nails the sleazy charm that was absolutely necessary to make this character work.

s0phr0syne
05-22-2012, 04:43 PM
New Week, New Bump.

Thought the episode was overall solid, but still building to the crescendo.

Somehow, the scene between Cersei and Tyrion felt out-of-order in relation to last week's episode where they shared what appeared to be a connection. Still, it was an interesting development and curious to see how Tyrion figures out a way to get Rose (I think that's her name) off the hook.

kappys
05-23-2012, 05:52 AM
New Week, New Bump.

Thought the episode was overall solid, but still building to the crescendo.

Somehow, the scene between Cersei and Tyrion felt out-of-order in relation to last week's episode where they shared what appeared to be a connection. Still, it was an interesting development and curious to see how Tyrion figures out a way to get Rose (I think that's her name) off the hook.

I haven't read the books but I thought it still worked. It was a tender moment and at the end Tyrion wasn't able to comfort Cersei when she started crying - too much animosity between them over the years.

TonyR
05-23-2012, 06:13 AM
New Week, New Bump.

Thought the episode was overall solid, but still building to the crescendo.

Somehow, the scene between Cersei and Tyrion felt out-of-order in relation to last week's episode where they shared what appeared to be a connection. Still, it was an interesting development and curious to see how Tyrion figures out a way to get Rose (I think that's her name) off the hook.

I had a small problem with how Jaqen H'ghar could have possibly killed all those guards in such close proximity. He would have needed help. But that's being picky.

I'm also annoyed as hell that Catelyn would be stupid enough to let Jamie Lannister go like that!

We should consider having separate threads for the book readers and the show watchers.

v2micca
05-23-2012, 06:37 AM
I had a small problem with how Jaqen H'ghar could have possibly killed all those guards in such close proximity. He would have needed help. But that's being picky.

I'm also annoyed as hell that Catelyn would be stupid enough to let Jamie Lannister go like that!

We should consider having separate threads for the book readers and the show watchers.

Having read the book, the entire plotline with Jaqen H'ghar and Aria has been a little bit of a let down for me. Plus, there are some very important plot points that the TV series has yet to resolve during her time at Harenhall. Unfortunately, given the direction they have taken, I can only imagine that when those plot points are addressed it will be in a less than satisfactory manner.

Really not enjoying the liberties they are taking with adapting the series this season. Every change made feels vastly inferior to the original material and really feels incongruous with the more faithfully interpreted scenes. Still pissed about the Jeyne Westerling swap.

JLesSPE
05-23-2012, 06:47 AM
Having read the book, the entire plotline with Jaqen H'ghar and Aria has been a little bit of a let down for me. Plus, there are some very important plot points that the TV series has yet to resolve during her time at Harenhall. Unfortunately, given the direction they have taken, I can only imagine that when those plot points are addressed it will be in a less than satisfactory manner.

Really not enjoying the liberties they are taking with adapting the series this season. Every change made feels vastly inferior to the original material and really feels incongruous with the more faithfully interpreted scenes. Still pissed about the Jeyne Westerling swap.

How are they going to get Arrya to the faceless men? Doesn't she have to have the coin and the phrase and all that to get on the boat to Braavos? I was looking forward to seeing Jaqen change his face too....totally disappointed by that. I do like the Arrya/Tywin interaction though. It wasn't accurate but it was interesting. And at least they addressed why she didn't have Jaqen kill Tywin. I don't remember that being evident in the book.

El Guapo
05-23-2012, 12:13 PM
Tywin should have been the absolute first person she had killed. Arrgh, stupid little girl

Boobs McGee
05-23-2012, 12:19 PM
JUST downloaded the kindle versoin of the first book while I was waiting for a client's car at MINI. WOW. While I love the show, so far I'm blown away by what's been written. This is going to consume my nights for a while.


Everyone seems much younger, and Jon Snow seems like quite the badass thus far!

Fedaykin
05-23-2012, 12:56 PM
JUST downloaded the kindle versoin of the first book while I was waiting for a client's car at MINI. WOW. While I love the show, so far I'm blown away by what's been written. This is going to consume my nights for a while.


Everyone seems much younger, and Jon Snow seems like quite the badass thus far!

Most of the young characters got an age boost, which even Martin has said he prefers story wise.

* Robb is in his early 20s instead of 15
* Dany is in her early 20s instead of 13
* Sansa is in her late teens instead of 13

Only those characters not involved in adult oriented scenes (Arya, Rickon, Bran, the younger Baratheons, etc.) were cast close to their "book" age.

It's a good change -- it's hard to realize that Dany is only 13 in the books when she's running around leading Dothraki and later conquering city states and ruling over them

Fedaykin
05-23-2012, 12:57 PM
Tywin should have been the absolute first person she had killed. Arrgh, stupid little girl

Damn that seven year old for not being a master assassin/strategist.

myMind
05-23-2012, 01:53 PM
JUST downloaded the kindle versoin of the first book while I was waiting for a client's car at MINI. WOW. While I love the show, so far I'm blown away by what's been written. This is going to consume my nights for a while.


Everyone seems much younger, and Jon Snow seems like quite the badass thus far!

Just you wait my friend. When you get to SoS grab a handle of your favorite hooch and enjoy.

Boobs McGee
05-23-2012, 03:02 PM
Most of the young characters got an age boost, which even Martin has said he prefers story wise.

* Robb is in his early 20s instead of 15
* Dany is in her early 20s instead of 13
* Sansa is in her late teens instead of 13

Only those characters not involved in adult oriented scenes (Arya, Rickon, Bran, the younger Baratheons, etc.) were cast close to their "book" age.

It's a good change -- it's hard to realize that Dany is only 13 in the books when she's running around leading Dothraki and later conquering city states and ruling over them

DAMMIT!!!!!! SO, for those who don't wish to unsuspectingly read a spoiler, a bit of advice. When you quote someone, they show up. Sadness.

Anywho, thanks for the info, that makes sense. I was wondering if a big time jump occurred that wasn't shown in the movies or something!

Boobs McGee
05-23-2012, 03:02 PM
Just you wait my friend. When you get to SoS grab a handle of your favorite hooch and enjoy.

First series in a while I can honestly say I'm VERY excited to read when I get home from work!!

Taco John
05-23-2012, 03:54 PM
A word to the wise: it's impossible to be on the internet and not run across spoilers for Game of Thrones. They crop up in places you don't expect even - let alone in threads dedicated to the book. I have no less than 4 major spoilers and I tried hard to avoid them.

Connecticut Bronco Fan
05-23-2012, 06:34 PM
Most of the young characters got an age boost, which even Martin has said he prefers story wise.

* Robb is in his early 20s instead of 15
* Dany is in her early 20s instead of 13
* Sansa is in her late teens instead of 13

Only those characters not involved in adult oriented scenes (Arya, Rickon, Bran, the younger Baratheons, etc.) were cast close to their "book" age.

It's a good change -- it's hard to realize that Dany is only 13 in the books when she's running around leading Dothraki and later conquering city states and ruling over them

Hard to buy this one, considering she just started menstruating a few episodes ago.

El Guapo
05-23-2012, 08:22 PM
Damn that seven year old for not being a master assassin/strategist.

right?! ;D

Just you wait my friend. When you get to SoS grab a handle of your favorite hooch and enjoy.

I'm a whole book past that one and it still irritates me, boils my blood, chaps my hide, etc, etc. everytime I think about it.

Hard to buy this one, considering she just started menstruating a few episodes ago.

Maybe she's just a late bloomer.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
05-23-2012, 09:12 PM
Hard to buy this one, considering she just started menstruating a few episodes ago.

I think the point of that scene was to show that Sensa was becoming a woman, not to indicate her age.

Fedaykin
05-23-2012, 09:31 PM
Hard to buy this one, considering she just started menstruating a few episodes ago.

Yep, it's certainly still fuzzy, though I was speaking more to the age of the actors and the avoidance of any definitive mention of character's ages rather than anything. Our modern sensibilities couldn't accept 13-15 year olds as anything other than children despite Martin being "historically accurate" in portraying them in the books as being accepted as adults at a much earlier age.

The show makers would have trouble if they cast minors in roles like Sansa or Dany.

With Sansa, her menstruation is a key plot point -- she's now "fit" to marry -- and they decided to stick to the source on that. It's an escalation of her dire situation.

cutthemdown
05-24-2012, 12:24 AM
Looking forward to some action in the next episode. Some of the story lines dragging on pretty slowly IMO.

v2micca
05-29-2012, 06:29 AM
Felt this thread could use a bump in light of this past week's incredible episode, Blackwater.

As a fan of the novels, I had been looking forward to this episode all season long. Praying that HBO would give them the needed budget to realize it and that they could stick the landing on the adaptation front. I have to say, I was not disappointed. It looks like they may have spent 1/3 of their season 2 budget on this episode alone.

Spoiler text follows:

I loved the pacing of this episode. The cuts from the frenetic action to the quiet moments were perfectly realized. Never causing you to loose momentum from the battle and allowing us to stay connected with the characters themselves. Its seems every actor and actress was bringing their A game tonight. Watching Cersei unravel in front of her ladies in waiting was a joy. Sandor Clegane in quite possibly the greatest job resignation speech of all time. Every ****ing scene with Bronn in it. Tyrion volunteering to lead the attack and not quite believing it himself.

As for the stuff, I didn't like, and these are mostly nitpicks. No chain. I know they had to scale down the battle from the books. And I know that rendering dozens of burning ships smashing themselves against the chain as they tried to escape a burning harbor probably just wasn't in the budget. So, I'm guessing in the series, Bronn's knight sigil of a burning chain will be replaced with a flaming arrow instead. I'm sorry we had to loose it, but I understand. Also, Tyrion still has his nose. I know that for the sanity of the actor and the make-up department, they were going to minimize his facial scaring. But, the scene in which Tyrion shouold have lost his nose just felt like the one mis-step in this otherwise superlative episode. It should have been a gory, ugly wound. Instead it ended up looking like a scene out of a JRPG cutscene where a main character receives strategically placed scars that magically avoid doing anything that would actually detract from his looks.

Like I said, small quibbles only. The final scene with the arrival of Tywin and Loras nailed the closing moments and running the credits to the tune of Rains of Castamere was flat out chilling. Perfect touch.


Interested to hear others thoughts.

s0phr0syne
05-29-2012, 07:19 AM
Felt this thread could use a bump in light of this past week's incredible episode, Blackwater.

As a fan of the novels, I had been looking forward to this episode all season long. Praying that HBO would give them the needed budget to realize it and that they could stick the landing on the adaptation front. I have to say, I was not disappointed. It looks like they may have spent 1/3 of their season 2 budget on this episode alone.

Spoiler text follows:

I loved the pacing of this episode. The cuts from the frenetic action to the quiet moments were perfectly realized. Never causing you to loose momentum from the battle and allowing us to stay connected with the characters themselves. Its seems every actor and actress was bringing their A game tonight. Watching Cersei unravel in front of her ladies in waiting was a joy. Sandor Clegane in quite possibly the greatest job resignation speech of all time. Every ****ing scene with Bronn in it. Tyrion volunteering to lead the attack and not quite believing it himself.

As for the stuff, I didn't like, and these are mostly nitpicks. No chain. I know they had to scale down the battle from the books. And I know that rendering dozens of burning ships smashing themselves against the chain as they tried to escape a burning harbor probably just wasn't in the budget. So, I'm guessing in the series, Bronn's knight sigil of a burning chain will be replaced with a flaming arrow instead. I'm sorry we had to loose it, but I understand. Also, Tyrion still has his nose. I know that for the sanity of the actor and the make-up department, they were going to minimize his facial scaring. But, the scene in which Tyrion shouold have lost his nose just felt like the one mis-step in this otherwise superlative episode. It should have been a gory, ugly wound. Instead it ended up looking like a scene out of a JRPG cutscene where a main character receives strategically placed scars that magically avoid doing anything that would actually detract from his looks.

Like I said, small quibbles only. The final scene with the arrival of Tywin and Loras nailed the closing moments and running the credits to the tune of Rains of Castamere was flat out chilling. Perfect touch.


Interested to hear others thoughts.


Thanks for the bump! I really enjoyed the episode and appreciate your thoughts since I haven't read the books.

My post however is brief is on my own thoughts.

But, I was going to throw it out there that in my opinion at least, you need not use spoiler text for stuff that's happening in the TV show. I think/hope that it's only being used 1) to not spoil upcoming stuff/discussions about the books for people who haven't read the books and are watching the show, and 2) for people who are behind in the book plot because they've only recently started reading the books.

Of course, I'm no authority on what's right or wrong, but I figure if you're coming to the thread you've at least watched the most recent episode.

El Guapo
05-29-2012, 08:13 AM
I agree with the above as I don't enter this thread until I've caught up on the show (which I just did via DVR). Spoilers should be reserved for future spoilers from book readers. Either way, it's not a huge deal as it just involves highlighting the text.

Anyway, to the episode; it was indeed fantastic. Watching the wildfire do it's thing was awesome, but as the poster above said, losing the chain was a little depressing. The other thing a little different from the book is Clegane asking Sansa for a song before he left. I know this is referenced later when Clegane is travelling with Arya in book four I believe.


Also, in regards to Tyrion, I too expected his nose to be chopped off and my first reaction was disappointment in that department as well. I put this part in spoiler tags because the show is leading the viewer to believe Tyrion is dead (just like the book did) when he is in fact not. If you're reading this, and you haven't read the books... well... shame on you. haha.

Overall I was very happy with this entertaining episode especially the closing credits with the singing of the Rains of Castemere. It gave me goose flesh. haha

cutthemdown
05-29-2012, 09:22 AM
Great episode!

TonyR
05-29-2012, 09:33 AM
Probably a stupid question, but why didn't Sansa go with Clegane?!?

Fedaykin
05-29-2012, 10:10 AM
Probably a stupid question, but why didn't Sansa go with Clegane?!?

Slightly spoilery: In the books, Sansa already has an escape plan. In the show? Not sure though the right pieces have been setup, we just haven't seen the details like in the books.


If you remember in the first episode the drunk knight that Sansa kept Joffrey from killing (getting him named the king's fool instead). In the books that fellow works to get Sansa out of King's landing. They meet several times to plot an escape (for both of them), and he eventually makes good after the Battle of the Blackwater.

Since they introduced him, I'm assuming he's worked back in for the last episode (or perhaps next season) instead of being a regular background character.



Also, Clegane is a psychopath and obviously suffering a mental break. If you were a young, frightened but not entirely stupid (and rapidily getting wiser) teen girl in Westeros, would you put your life in such a man's hands?

Fedaykin
05-29-2012, 10:14 AM
I was pleased with this episode. Easily the second best hour of television in a long while (the best being "Exodus, Pt. II from Battlestar Galactica, where they escape from new Caprica).

My only real gripe is the damn chain! But they mostly made up for it with some awesome CG wildfire =)

Also seeing Joffrey peeing his panties was hilarious. His armor is going to be terribly rusty. I have to give props to the actor for being able to pull off such a nasty character.

TonyR
05-29-2012, 10:18 AM
Also, Clegane is a psychopath and obviously suffering a mental break. If you were a young, frightened but not entirely stupid (and rapidily getting wiser) teen girl in Westeros, would you put your life in such a man's hands?

My thinking was after her comment about Joffrey returning from battle (paraphrasing, "the wost ones always do"), and Cersei's rather pointed comments about what happens to women when their towns get "sacked" (to the point that she was going to have them all killed if they lost the battle rather than suffer what was coming), her desperation would have met perfectly with the offer take her north. Not an ideal scenario for her, but better than the other options.

lolcopter
05-29-2012, 10:27 AM
Waiting until season 3 is going to be brutal. This show is so good

El Guapo
05-29-2012, 10:41 AM
I was pleased with this episode. Easily the second best hour of television in a long while (the best being "Exodus, Pt. II from Battlestar Galactica, where they escape from new Caprica).

My only real gripe is the damn chain! But they mostly made up for it with some awesome CG wildfire =)

Also seeing Joffrey peeing his panties was hilarious. His armor is going to be terribly rusty. I have to give props to the actor for being able to pull off such a nasty character.

Ah, another BSG fan. Its hard to top BSG, period.:notworthy

v2micca
05-29-2012, 11:09 AM
One thing that surprised me in reading through various forums and message boards was the number of fans that Stannis won over to his side with this episode. Its seems that a lot of people were impressed with both his resolve and his determination to lead his men into battle. In direct contrast to Joffrey running to hide behind his mother's skirt, he was the fist man to the shore and the first man up the Ladders.

Stannis really does feel like a metaphor for Conservatives at times. He outwardly remains bound by his honor and loyal to his ideals of law and justice. But there is not room for pity or compassion in the man, and he allows his ideals to justify some pretty dishonorable and dark actions.

However Spoiler text:

His actions in Book 3 do make it a lot easier to envision him as an actual leader. And if you thought he was badd-ass in this episode with just a normal sword, he is pretty damn terrifying once they start figuring out how to forge 'Lightbringer'.

Jason7730
05-29-2012, 02:11 PM
Next weeks the season finale?!!! That sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Taco John
05-29-2012, 09:48 PM
HALF MAAAAAN! HALF MAAAAAN!

myMind
05-29-2012, 11:51 PM
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Fedaykin
05-29-2012, 11:52 PM
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/8551/pimpk.jpg

hahah, awesome

Taco John
05-30-2012, 01:25 AM
http://i.imgur.com/CRV8x.gif

zdoor
05-30-2012, 08:33 AM
Felt this thread could use a bump in light of this past week's incredible episode, Blackwater.

As a fan of the novels, I had been looking forward to this episode all season long. Praying that HBO would give them the needed budget to realize it and that they could stick the landing on the adaptation front. I have to say, I was not disappointed. It looks like they may have spent 1/3 of their season 2 budget on this episode alone.

Spoiler text follows:

I loved the pacing of this episode. The cuts from the frenetic action to the quiet moments were perfectly realized. Never causing you to loose momentum from the battle and allowing us to stay connected with the characters themselves. Its seems every actor and actress was bringing their A game tonight. Watching Cersei unravel in front of her ladies in waiting was a joy. Sandor Clegane in quite possibly the greatest job resignation speech of all time. Every ****ing scene with Bronn in it. Tyrion volunteering to lead the attack and not quite believing it himself.

As for the stuff, I didn't like, and these are mostly nitpicks. No chain. I know they had to scale down the battle from the books. And I know that rendering dozens of burning ships smashing themselves against the chain as they tried to escape a burning harbor probably just wasn't in the budget. So, I'm guessing in the series, Bronn's knight sigil of a burning chain will be replaced with a flaming arrow instead. I'm sorry we had to loose it, but I understand. Also, Tyrion still has his nose. I know that for the sanity of the actor and the make-up department, they were going to minimize his facial scaring. But, the scene in which Tyrion shouold have lost his nose just felt like the one mis-step in this otherwise superlative episode. It should have been a gory, ugly wound. Instead it ended up looking like a scene out of a JRPG cutscene where a main character receives strategically placed scars that magically avoid doing anything that would actually detract from his looks.

Like I said, small quibbles only. The final scene with the arrival of Tywin and Loras nailed the closing moments and running the credits to the tune of Rains of Castamere was flat out chilling. Perfect touch.


Interested to hear others thoughts.

I agree with your whole post. Thought it was a great compromise. My wife actually commented on Tyrion's scars saying she preferred the way the handled it on the show.... Guess they got the woman's perspective right on that one.

canadianbroncosfan
05-30-2012, 11:51 AM
I'm not going to go through all 30 plus pages because I just started watching the first season and don't want to ruin anything. I've only gotten four episodes in but I foresee a lot of stuff not getting done in the next few weeks because I'm catching up.

Taco John
05-31-2012, 12:25 AM
I'm not going to go through all 30 plus pages because I just started watching the first season and don't want to ruin anything. I've only gotten four episodes in but I foresee a lot of stuff not getting done in the next few weeks because I'm catching up.

try reading the books... lol

El Guapo
05-31-2012, 07:38 PM
lazy bastages. :~ohyah!:

myMind
06-02-2012, 08:32 PM
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ZONA
06-03-2012, 01:15 AM
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holy pig $hit

Boobs McGee
06-03-2012, 09:44 AM
holy pig $hit

What am I missing in this picture?

And PS, im a third of the way through the second book right now. Mind, blown!

Boobs McGee
06-03-2012, 09:45 AM
Haha nevermind, the gif started working!!!

Baba Booey
06-03-2012, 07:53 PM
White walkers!

spdirty
06-03-2012, 08:08 PM
I don't read the books, so won't be giving away spoilers, but I think the whitewalkers are gonna get to kings landing before Khaleesi fries their asses with her dragons. JMO, I don't know.

Hate the fact that I have to wait probably 9 1/2 months before the next episode. Wish the entire series already aired and I could just Netflix the whole damn thing and take a week's vacation.

Archer81
06-03-2012, 08:39 PM
I want a dragon.

And I really hate Theon Greyjoy.

:Broncos:

Fedaykin
06-03-2012, 09:03 PM
I want a dragon.

And I really hate Theon Greyjoy.

:Broncos:


Have no fear, the guy gets his due... and maybe even then some

PRBronco
06-03-2012, 09:07 PM
Have no fear, the guy gets his due... and maybe even then some

/shudder

Fedaykin
06-03-2012, 09:19 PM
/shudder


Certainly no mercy of a quick death.

CHANGSTER
06-03-2012, 09:54 PM
Is this thread full of book spoilers? I want to check before I start reading through.

myMind
06-03-2012, 10:11 PM
Is this thread full of book spoilers? I want to check before I start reading through.

Yes.

Doggcow
06-03-2012, 10:14 PM
I don't read the books, so won't be giving away spoilers, but I think the whitewalkers are gonna get to kings landing before Khaleesi fries their asses with her dragons. JMO, I don't know.

Hate the fact that I have to wait probably 9 1/2 months before the next episode. Wish the entire series already aired and I could just Netflix the whole damn thing and take a week's vacation.

I've really been liking Burn Notice, so there's about 6 seasons for ya. Lol

Taco John
06-04-2012, 12:06 AM
I finished all the books, and am re-reading A Game of Thrones right now. I've discovered something in the text that leads me to question whether Jon Snow is actually Ned's son.

Speculative In the book, Ned and Robert are talking about Tywinn Lannister's treachery in taking the Red Castle, and as an off comment, it mentions that Ned had been living a lie the last 14 years -

"Treachery is a coin that the Tragaryen's knew well," Robert said. The anger was building in him again. "Lannister payed them back in kind. It was no less than they deserved. I shall not trouble my sleep over it!"

"You were not there," Ned said, bitterness in his voice. Troubled sleep was no stranger to him. He had lived his lies for fourteen years yet they still haunted him at night. "There was no honor in that conquest."

Whatever lie Eddard has been living for fourteen years, it has to do with a certain 14 year old boy (Jon Snow). What else happened 14 years ago? The death of Lyanna. I suspect that Lyanna is the true mother of Jon Snow, making him a bastard of Raegar Tygaryen, not Eddard.

Hulamau
06-04-2012, 12:14 AM
I don't read the books, so won't be giving away spoilers, but I think the whitewalkers are gonna get to kings landing before Khaleesi fries their asses with her dragons. JMO, I don't know.

Hate the fact that I have to wait probably 9 1/2 months before the next episode. Wish the entire series already aired and I could just Netflix the whole damn thing and take a week's vacation.

Yep that's the pisser part of waiting so long.. it will be at least 4 or 5 more years at this rate before its all said and done!

myMind
06-04-2012, 12:30 AM
I finished all the books, and am re-reading A Game of Thrones right now. I've discovered something in the text that leads me to question whether Jon Snow is actually Ned's son.

Speculative In the book, Ned and Robert are talking about Tywinn Lannister's treachery in taking the Red Castle, and as an off comment, it mentions that Ned had been living a lie the last 14 years -
"Treachery is a coin that the Tragaryen's knew well," Robert said. The anger was building in him again. "Lannister payed them back in kind. It was no less than they deserved. I shall not trouble my sleep over it!"

"You were not there," Ned said, bitterness in his voice. Troubled sleep was no stranger to him. He had lived his lies for fourteen years yet they still haunted him at night. "There was no honor in that conquest."
Whatever lie Eddard has been living for fourteen years, it has to do with a certain 14 year old boy (Jon Snow). What else happened 14 years ago? The death of Lyanna. I suspect that Lyanna is the true mother of Jon Snow, making him a bastard of Raegar Tygaryen, not Eddard.

Welcome to R + L = J
You wont have to browse Westeros.org's forums long before you understand.

Archer81
06-04-2012, 12:49 AM
Have no fear, the guy gets his due... and maybe even then some


I know. Still hate him. Smarmy little ****.


:Broncos:

Taco John
06-04-2012, 12:50 AM
Welcome to R + L = J
You wont have to browse Westeros.org's forums long before you understand.

I should have known this is already a thing. I put that line into google, and sure enough, there are plenty of discussions going on about what it could mean.

Fedaykin
06-04-2012, 01:54 AM
I'm a little annoyed at the changes made to the sacking of Winterfell. They change the character dynamic and are probably a bit confusing to the viewers who don't understand *why* Winterfell was sacked and by whom.

In the books:



Theon conspires with Ramsay "the bastard of Bolton" Snow who is the bastard son of Lord Bolton, one of the Stark's bannermen. Ramsay's forces are the bulk of the northern force besieging Winterfell. They turn on the rest of the force Robb sent to retake Winterfell, and when they are done Theon lets open the gates of Winterfell to let them in, and Ramsay promptly turns on Theon, sacking the city in the process.

Ramsay is basically a psychopath that makes the rest of his psychopathic family look downright sane (the house banner is a "flayed man" because of the family's fondness for flaying their enemies alive).



The way it's done in the series, it's really unclear what happens. I'm surprised they left it so ambiguous.

supermanhr9
06-04-2012, 07:12 AM
Whats worse is there are two VERY important characters missing during all of this... Where are the little frog people??? They play a huge role later on.

Johnykbr
06-04-2012, 07:18 AM
I dunno about you guys but I think the way they handled Jon Snow/Half-Hand was pretty poor.

scorpio
06-04-2012, 07:51 AM
Not happy with how they handled Halfhand, makes Jon look like a bitch. Also hated the House of the Undying.

Endy
06-04-2012, 08:05 AM
I'm a little annoyed at the changes made to the sacking of Winterfell. They change the character dynamic and are probably a bit confusing to the viewers who don't understand *why* Winterfell was sacked and by whom.

In the books:



Theon conspires with Ramsay "the bastard of Bolton" Snow who is the bastard son of Lord Bolton, one of the Stark's bannermen. Ramsay's forces are the bulk of the northern force besieging Winterfell. They turn on the rest of the force Robb sent to retake Winterfell, and when they are done Theon lets open the gates of Winterfell to let them in, and Ramsay promptly turns on Theon, sacking the city in the process.

Ramsay is basically a psychopath that makes the rest of his psychopathic family look downright sane (the house banner is a "flayed man" because of the family's fondness for flaying their enemies alive).



The way it's done in the series, it's really unclear what happens. I'm surprised they left it so ambiguous.

Yeah, I haven't read the books and I left last night's episode wondering WTF happened there. Theon was knocked out so why the hell was Winterfell sacked? Even after reading your spoiler, I still don't get it b/c it doesn't appear as though anybody at all is left when Bran leaves.

Cornfused.

JLesSPE
06-04-2012, 08:08 AM
Yeah, I haven't read the books and I left last night's episode wondering WTF happened there. Theon was knocked out so why the hell was Winterfell sacked? Even after reading your spoiler, I still don't get it b/c it doesn't appear as though anybody at all is left when Bran leaves.

Cornfused.

I've read the books but watched it with someone who hasn't. After that happened he was asking where the 500 men outside the walls went. I tried to explain what happened in the book and ended up confusing myself. I just assume they'll have some dialogue in season 3 to explain what happened.

That being said. I laughed my ass off when they knocked him out after his speech.

cutthemdown
06-04-2012, 09:48 AM
^ that. One of two of my biggest concern with the changes.

Meera and Jojen really DON'T do **** if you think about it

Tyrion's nose doesn't matter at all.

The chain was too expensive.

But making Jon look like a bumbling idiot chasing after Ygritte and getting all the rangers killed is as stupid as skipping everything important at the house of the undying

I didn't read books but the whole time watching i was like this Snow guy pissing me off. How do you get lost that fast? How could you be that stupid? etc etc. Glad that was just a mess up by the script writing.

Then also making us wait soo long to get to the warlocks house of undying, just seemed like a joke when they take 10 minutes to resolve the whole situation and we don't see much or understand what that place was.

cutthemdown
06-04-2012, 09:50 AM
It was cool finally getting to see the dragons kill someone. Also you can see how much the love their mother! They are going to wreak some havoc on Westeros when they become a little bigger.

Last thing, the white walkers. Obviously there are 2 kinds of walkers. Up to now we had only seen the zombie type. Those ones on horses though were obviously leaders of them, and some different creature altogether. Crazy!

cutthemdown
06-04-2012, 09:52 AM
I'm a little annoyed at the changes made to the sacking of Winterfell. They change the character dynamic and are probably a bit confusing to the viewers who don't understand *why* Winterfell was sacked and by whom.

In the books:



Theon conspires with Ramsay "the bastard of Bolton" Snow who is the bastard son of Lord Bolton, one of the Stark's bannermen. Ramsay's forces are the bulk of the northern force besieging Winterfell. They turn on the rest of the force Robb sent to retake Winterfell, and when they are done Theon lets open the gates of Winterfell to let them in, and Ramsay promptly turns on Theon, sacking the city in the process.

Ramsay is basically a psychopath that makes the rest of his psychopathic family look downright sane (the house banner is a "flayed man" because of the family's fondness for flaying their enemies alive).



The way it's done in the series, it's really unclear what happens. I'm surprised they left it so ambiguous.

Probably they explain it start of season 3. If not I guess i need to read the books. I should go read books 1 and 2 right now?

Johnykbr
06-04-2012, 10:17 AM
It was cool finally getting to see the dragons kill someone. Also you can see how much the love their mother! They are going to wreak some havoc on Westeros when they become a little bigger.

Last thing, the white walkers. Obviously there are 2 kinds of walkers. Up to now we had only seen the zombie type. Those ones on horses though were obviously leaders of them, and some different creature altogether. Crazy!

The weird looking guys with the wrinkled skin and the ice weapons are the White Walkers. They create the wights (zombies).

Johnykbr
06-04-2012, 10:28 AM
^ that. One of two of my biggest concern with the changes.

Meera and Jojen really DON'T do **** if you think about it

Tyrion's nose doesn't matter at all.

The chain was too expensive.

But making Jon look like a bumbling idiot chasing after Ygritte and getting all the rangers killed is as stupid as skipping everything important at the house of the undying

The problem there though is that they will have to keep Bran and Rickon together rather than splitting them up like in the book. This might cause problems with whatever GRRM puts in next book

Taco John
06-04-2012, 11:00 AM
Probably they explain it start of season 3. If not I guess i need to read the books. I should go read books 1 and 2 right now?

You should read them all. In fact, I'll say that you won't be able to help yourself. Once you start reading the books, the show is a bit of a distraction. It offers nice texture because you can better picture the characters, but the book is far, far superior to the television program. Also, book 3 is a splendid read - especially the last 1/3 of it. The character development, plus the various plots going on during book 3 are awesome. You'll be amazed at how much you end up liking Jamie Lannister after you get into the thick of his POV chapters.

Taco John
06-04-2012, 11:03 AM
FYI - Meera and Jojen are in the cast list for next season.

drail 24 48
06-04-2012, 11:28 AM
Anyone mind PM or putting in spoiler text what they messed up with Snow/Half-Hand. Also any quick text of what was skipped in the House of the Undying. Just curious and get so easily spoiled going to GOT wiki pages. When I finally get time I will most sure read these books.

Fedaykin
06-04-2012, 11:33 AM
Anyone mind PM or putting in spoiler text what they messed up with Snow/Half-Hand. Also any quick text of what was skipped in the House of the Undying. Just curious and get so easily spoiled going to GOT wiki pages. When I finally get time I will most sure read these books.

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In the books, the halfhand *orders* Jon Snow to kill him to set up some good old fashioned double agent goodness. There's a very nicely written battle where we see Jon's internal struggle to follow the order (he's being asked to kill a hero of the Night's Watch in order to get in with the wildlings), and we learn that the half-hand basically puts up a good show but could easily have bested Jon. Jon only "wins" after he gets an assist from his wolf.

In the series they just kind had him piss of Jon and he rather unceremoniously offs the half hand.

Also, I'm sad they never showed his namesake (having half his hand chopped off), but I suppose they spent their budget pretty well on the more important parts.

Fedaykin
06-04-2012, 11:51 AM
Anyone mind PM or putting in spoiler text what they messed up with Snow/Half-Hand. Also any quick text of what was skipped in the House of the Undying. Just curious and get so easily spoiled going to GOT wiki pages. When I finally get time I will most sure read these books.

Dany's whole storyline is pretty butchered in this season.



She doesn't go directly to Qarth after crossing the Red wastes, the "13" are just a merchant guild, not the leadership, of Qarth. Her Dragons are never stolen (in the books she refuses to trade one of her dragons for the fleet she wants) and her handmaidens don't betray her. Also Xaro was a skinny, pale homosexual not a summer islander, and Dany runs around half naked most of the time (Qarth fashion was to expose one breast). In the books she goes to the House of the Undying to seek council from the warlocks.

However, the real head scratcher is that omitted the fact that she is given three prophecies: she must light three fires, for life, for death, to love; ride three mounts, to bed, to dread, to love; and know three treasons, for blood, for gold, for love. Dan't really claim there was a budget problem so I have no idea why they omitted -- probably simply because people won't remember long enough?

They also cut what happens directly after during her escape, but that's probably just moved to S3 as it (re)introduces new long term characters.

myMind
06-04-2012, 12:05 PM
But making Jon look like a bumbling idiot chasing after Ygritte and getting all the rangers killed is as stupid as skipping everything important at the house of the undying

Very true. Im begining to wonder how they will work in the whole Tower of Joy, R + L = J subplot. The only person alive that knows what really happened hasnt even been introduced in the books yet. I feel like we've discussed this already...

Taco John
06-04-2012, 12:13 PM
Would bet money Howland is introduced in WoW and spills the beans.

I expect you're right, but Jojen and Meera may also know the truth - whatever the truth is.

myMind
06-04-2012, 12:13 PM
That's just an assumption you're making. So little happens on Brans journey precoldhands that they could cut it all out outside of the one scene with jon and the wildlings.

I'd say Bran being guided by Jojen learning to control his warging ability is fairly important, though it could be relegated to a handful of short scenes easily. I would bet that they seperate Bran and Rickon when the Reeds show up next season.

In general I feel that they attributed way too much time to the events in Kings Landing, and the other more interesting and important plots suffered for it.

myMind
06-04-2012, 12:16 PM
Would bet money Howland is introduced in WoW and spills the beans.

Im sure it will happen, wouldnt be surprised if he is somehow at the wall.

Kaylore
06-04-2012, 12:34 PM
I'd say Bran being guided by Jojen learning to control his warging ability is fairly important, though it could be relegated to a handful of short scenes easily. I would bet that they seperate Bran and Rickon when the Reeds show up next season.

In general I feel that they attributed way too much time to the events in Kings Landing, and the other more interesting and important plots suffered for it.

I agree. Probably cost related.

bronco militia
06-04-2012, 12:44 PM
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Fedaykin
06-04-2012, 12:45 PM
I'd say Bran being guided by Jojen learning to control his warging ability is fairly important, though it could be relegated to a handful of short scenes easily. I would bet that they seperate Bran and Rickon when the Reeds show up next season.

In general I feel that they attributed way too much time to the events in Kings Landing, and the other more interesting and important plots suffered for it.

Yeah, I really think HBO needs to increase to at least 12 epis, which is pretty normal for their series anyway.

I suggest they scrap the terrible "Girls" and reassign all its budget too.

Endy
06-04-2012, 03:59 PM
So let's say I've watched seasons one and two but don't want to go back and read books one and two. Actually I would, but my reading time is filled up with lots of other books that must be read. Would I be able to pick up the third book and understand what was going on just having watched the first two on TV?

Thanks and I'll listen off the air.

Fedaykin
06-04-2012, 04:23 PM
So let's say I've watched seasons one and two but don't want to go back and read books one and two. Actually I would, but my reading time is filled up with lots of other books that must be read. Would I be able to pick up the third book and understand what was going on just having watched the first two on TV?

Thanks and I'll listen off the air.

Yeah; All of the major plot lines are in motion, though lots of little details have changed.

Taco John
06-04-2012, 08:49 PM
So let's say I've watched seasons one and two but don't want to go back and read books one and two. Actually I would, but my reading time is filled up with lots of other books that must be read. Would I be able to pick up the third book and understand what was going on just having watched the first two on TV?

Thanks and I'll listen off the air.



Yes, for sure. The details you'd miss wouldn't be important enough to ruin your read. This would, however, be like going straight for dessert before having your steak and wine (Book three is the best book of the series in most opinions). You can't lose, to be sure - especially if you don't have the time to read the first two books. But the first two books provide better character details than you currently know - including the character of Westeros itself.

Dutch
06-05-2012, 01:42 AM
Yes, for sure. The details you'd miss wouldn't be important enough to ruin your read. This would, however, be like going straight for dessert before having your steak and wine (Book three is the best book of the series in most opinions). You can't lose, to be sure - especially if you don't have the time to read the first two books. But the first two books provide better character details than you currently know - including the character of Westeros itself.

Nice way of putting it, Taco. I agree completely. Also, nice to see/read you here, Endy. Been awhile oldtimer.

Endy
06-05-2012, 06:08 AM
Nice way of putting it, Taco. I agree completely. Also, nice to see/read you here, Endy. Been awhile oldtimer.

Still read the mane every day. Don't post much though (obviously). I usually don't get into threads until they've hit the third/fourth page digression into idiocy. This is where I make the requisite statement about how good things used to be in the "Good Old Days" of OM when we all just hated the Chiefs/Raiders/Chargers and not each other.

Old is right though. That pic in my avatar is of my first son who was born in October 2003, about 7 months after I joined the OM. He's in 3rd grade now and travels every year to Denver to see at least one Broncos game. Should probably get around to changing that avatar some time.

manchambo
06-06-2012, 09:25 AM
I finally watched the finale last night (I had gotten far behind, but watched five episodes the past two nights). I agree that the sacking of Winterfell was perplexing to someone who hasn't read the book yet.

I was also a bit confused by what happened to the Hound and Sansa--we see them leaving and then Sansa is in the throne room when Tywin rides his horse in, etc. Is there more to this part of the story that will be revealed later? Did I miss something?

Boobs McGee
06-06-2012, 10:03 AM
Sansa didn't go with the Hound. She said no when he offered to take her away.

When i saw that in the show, I couldn't BELIEVE she didn't go with him!!!! About halfway through book 2 now, and the Hound is still one of my favorite characters. Tyrion is head and shoulders above everyone else though, that little (p)imp is just such an incredible character.

Also, one thing that I've noticed, is that Varys isn't getting some of the justice he deserves imo. In the books, he comes off as MUCH more cunning/capable than he does on t.v.

Can't put these books down, SO much more in depth!!!!!!!!

Boobs McGee
06-06-2012, 10:45 AM
Maybe so, but Varys also comes off FAR MORE likeable in the show than in the books, imo.


I would agree with that...however I'm not TOO far along yet, and as of right now the books convey a fairly soft side. Of course, he'll do anything to help the realm, and his little birds ARE everywhere, and jrrm HAS duped me into believing his lies much like Ned Stark did...SO MUCH DECEIT!!!!! NO ONE CAN BE TRUSTED!!!!!!

Another quick thing - for someone that hasn't checked ahead for spoilers, I'm getting a strong feeling that Arya and Robert's Bastard Gendry are headed for big things. Seems like it could be a love story in the making? She'd be a pretty bowss queen (imo) someday, if Stannis/Rob/Joff/ are all killed off. I really like that there are soooo many possibilities! LOVE THIS SERIES!

myMind
06-06-2012, 10:56 AM
I'm getting a strong feeling that Arya and Robert's Bastard Gendry are headed for big things. Seems like it could be a love story in the making? She'd be a pretty bowss queen (imo) someday, if Stannis/Rob/Joff/ are all killed off. I really like that there are soooo many possibilities! LOVE THIS SERIES!

You'll have your answer in book three.

Shananahan
06-06-2012, 11:07 AM
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Fedaykin
06-06-2012, 11:09 AM
By the end of book 5 Arya is pregnant with Gendry's baby.

And obviously dark magics were involved, or they are using rBGH in the milk in Westeros =)

Shananahan
06-06-2012, 11:17 AM
Jesus, waaaaaaaaaaaay too many spoilers in this thread. Somebody should have started a thread for the books and a thread for the show and prevented all this overlap.

Boobs McGee
06-06-2012, 11:24 AM
By the end of book 5 Arya is pregnant with Gendry's baby.

Good Laaaaawd if that's true when I get to the fifth book I'm warping back in time to superdragonpunch your genitalia.

underrated29
06-06-2012, 11:25 AM
Jesus, waaaaaaaaaaaay too many spoilers in this thread. Somebody should have started a thread for the books and a thread for the show and prevented all this overlap.




Rev is effing with you guys on the baby part. He would just blast out a spoiler like that if it was true....Hes kind enough to put up the spoiler tags when needed.

Having said that I still cant believe SPOILER: that joffrey knocked up his own mother...End Spoiler---the incest runs deep in that family.

Boobs McGee
06-06-2012, 12:01 PM
Lolz you guys are baaaaad!

lolcopter
06-06-2012, 12:05 PM
I hate you guys. Gonna go back and rewatch season 1 and 2 again now

underrated29
06-06-2012, 12:22 PM
On a serious note, Im a little more than halfway through book 5 and I am really enjoying this book. I know a fair few people said they did not like it or gave the book bad reviews, but I would disagree. I like 5 infinitely better than 4. And while I think comparatively book 4 sucked. It was still a great book. Five, though seems to be bringing things in motion a bit more, which we readers already knew.

Im just pumped that the produces just signed on for two more years. That will get us through book 3, and once they get those two seasons moving I think the popularity will be at an all time high. (book 3 was a beast)

DontBeMessin
06-06-2012, 12:43 PM
I think it's retarded that Winter never comes.....

Taco John
06-06-2012, 12:54 PM
By the end of book 5 Arya is pregnant with Gendry's baby.

Is it Gendry's baby? Or is it The Hounds? That is kind of left up for question.

El Guapo
06-06-2012, 01:02 PM
http://store.hbo.com/game-of-thrones-life-size-replica-iron-throne/detail.php?p=373634&v=hbo_new-arrivals

Hilarious!

Fedaykin
06-06-2012, 01:15 PM
Good Laaaaawd if that's true when I get to the fifth book I'm warping back in time to superdragonpunch your genitalia.

She's 7 man. (Maybe 8, the timeline is unclear) ....

Fedaykin
06-06-2012, 01:21 PM
On a serious note, Im a little more than halfway through book 5 and I am really enjoying this book. I know a fair few people said they did not like it or gave the book bad reviews, but I would disagree. I like 5 infinitely better than 4. And while I think comparatively book 4 sucked. It was still a great book. Five, though seems to be bringing things in motion a bit more, which we readers already knew.

Im just pumped that the produces just signed on for two more years. That will get us through book 3, and once they get those two seasons moving I think the popularity will be at an all time high. (book 3 was a beast)

I've immensely enjoyed all the books. They are pretty much exactly the kind of book(s) I love (see: Dune series as well). I absolutely love the 1st person POV including, in detail, character thoughts. So fascinating to read -- way more than poorly written action which a lot of sci-fi/fantasy is.

Tyrion's inner dialog is a thing of beauty.

peacepipe
06-07-2012, 06:09 AM
just getting through 3/4 of book 3,the robb stark/catlyn storyline really through me off,although I suspected something I didn't expect what happened to happen.

drail 24 48
06-07-2012, 06:14 AM
Thanks man! Those do sound much better I have to say. Wish they had at least 1 or 2 eps more a season!

lolcopter
06-07-2012, 07:24 AM
Started watching season 1 again. Pretty cool seeing the interactions between characters like Jon snow and tyrion, lord stark and Jaime lannister, Joffrey and arya, etc etc

JLesSPE
06-07-2012, 07:29 AM
I'm thinking about starting over with the books after I finish book 5. There seems to be so much detail I missed the first time through.

peacepipe
06-07-2012, 07:33 AM
I'm hoping there isn't a long wait for book 6.