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Jesterhole
04-02-2012, 04:14 AM
As a parent I could not handle the show. Show one closing scene I turned it off for good.

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHA HAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

What a giant pu$$y you are.

Jesterhole
04-02-2012, 04:15 AM
I'm about 1/3 the way through the first book. Great read so far. I don't want to watch any of the shows until I finish the book, but I'm tempted to start season one and just watch up to the point that I am at in the book.

You're doing it the right way. The show is good, but the books are far better, and you'll be better off having read them first.

Kaylore
04-02-2012, 07:25 AM
I'm about 1/3 the way through the first book. Great read so far. I don't want to watch any of the shows until I finish the book, but I'm tempted to start season one and just watch up to the point that I am at in the book.

That's what I did. And if you are a third of the way in you can watch episodes 1 & 2 for sure. I found the show helped me with all the different characters. I was really impressed with how some of the Actors accurately portray the characters. Peter Dinklage very clearly deserved his Emmy for Tyrion. He isn't as ugly as in the books, but everything else is there. Sean Bean really hits on Ned's annoyed distaste for intrigue and his dismissive nature toward even trying to be subtle. Michelle Fairley actually made a Catelyn Stark stronger than she was in my mind and Lena Headley played Cercei Lanister weaker and almost exhausted, which I wasn't a big fan of.

The biggest surprise is the kids. All the young actors are amazing and push the show into excellence. Sensa, Arya, Jon, Robb and especially the awesomely despicable Joffrey are amazing.

Like all of these, the books are better but the show is great.

jerseyguy4
04-02-2012, 07:47 AM
Peter Dinklage very clearly deserved his Emmy for Tyrion.
Tyrion turned out to be one of my favorite characters from any book. I was excited to see him in the show, and he's been great. On a side note, I thought it interesting that you don't see many (or any) serious-role, regular midget actors. Dinklage is fantastic.
SPOILER ALERT - I wonder how they are going to handle his future nose disfigurement?
Sean Bean really hits on Ned's annoyed distaste for intrigue and his dismissive nature toward even trying to be subtle. Michelle Fairley actually made a Catelyn Stark stronger than she was in my mind and Lena Headley played Cercei Lanister weaker and almost exhausted, which I wasn't a big fan of.

The biggest surprise is the kids. All the young actors are amazing and push the show into excellence. Sensa, Arya, Jon, Robb and especially the awesomely despicable Joffrey are amazing.

Like all of these, the books are better but the show is great.
agreed on every point.

Also, I think sometimes scenes in the book translate differently into the show. Like the bastard slaying scene last night, I think it held true to the book, but it hits home a lot harder when you're watching it as opposed to reading about it. See a dude with a knife and baby is rough to watch, easier to read.

Conversely, I think the genius of Tyrion is better revealed in the book than watching it on TV (since you can't hear his thoughts on TV)

Kaylore
04-02-2012, 07:56 AM
I haven't seen the new season yet. I will soon....and that's all I'll say about that.

But yes, Tyrion's inner-dialogue is one of the things that makes him likeable. There's a lot of jokes that he says in his head that are funny too.

peacepipe
04-02-2012, 10:04 AM
I haven't read the books,but will. I saw the GoT last night and I am on my way to the store to get the 1st season. I wish I had HBO last yr.

Fedaykin
04-02-2012, 10:16 AM
I haven't read the books,but will. I saw the GoT last night and I am on my way to the store to get the 1st season. I wish I had HBO last yr.

Damn dude.. bad luck watching the season 2 premier before watching/reading the first season/book.

Jay3
04-02-2012, 10:20 AM
It's weird how this is one of the best shows on television, and it's not the geek elements that make it good. It's one of the best acted, best filmed shows I've seen.

I really can't imagine following it without having read the books, though. I guess it works. Plenty of people seem to like it without having read them.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-02-2012, 10:34 AM
It's weird how this is one of the best shows on television, and it's not the geek elements that make it good. It's one of the best acted, best filmed shows I've seen.

I really can't imagine following it without having read the books, though. I guess it works. Plenty of people seem to like it without having read them.

Well its not a "geek show." Its not about guys who swing from buildings with spider webs fighting "evil." This season seems to be a fight to fill a power vacuum for a kingdom that cannot be ruled. Its the failure of a system that is resulting in anarchy. Thats based in something real.

v2micca
04-02-2012, 10:36 AM
That's what I did. And if you are a third of the way in you can watch episodes 1 & 2 for sure. I found the show helped me with all the different characters. I was really impressed with how some of the Actors accurately portray the characters. Peter Dinklage very clearly deserved his Emmy for Tyrion. He isn't as ugly as in the books, but everything else is there. Sean Bean really hits on Ned's annoyed distaste for intrigue and his dismissive nature toward even trying to be subtle. Michelle Fairley actually made a Catelyn Stark stronger than she was in my mind and Lena Headley played Cercei Lanister weaker and almost exhausted, which I wasn't a big fan of.

The biggest surprise is the kids. All the young actors are amazing and push the show into excellence. Sensa, Arya, Jon, Robb and especially the awesomely despicable Joffrey are amazing.

Like all of these, the books are better but the show is great.


I know this guy isn't going to get too much attention, but I loved his character in the books and of all the interpretations in the show, he is the closest to the producers literally plucking the image in my mind right out of my head and putting it to film. Jerome Flynn's completely owns as Bronn the sell-sword. God I love that character and love the way Flynn plays him.

onbohio
04-02-2012, 10:42 AM
I am about 50 pages into Dance of Dragons. I picked up season 1 on dvd. I really enjoy this series. One question. What happened to Rickon? I have read all the books so far and can't seem to remember what happened to him. If it isn't revealed till Dance of Dragons, guess I don't want to know. Am I not remembering?

Broncomutt
04-02-2012, 11:17 AM
I am about 50 pages into Dance of Dragons. I picked up season 1 on dvd. I really enjoy this series. One question. What happened to Rickon? I have read all the books so far and can't seem to remember what happened to him. If it isn't revealed till Dance of Dragons, guess I don't want to know. Am I not remembering?

He and Bran were forced to flee Theon. I believe he split up from Bran at the end of A Storm of Swords and went with Osha, though I don't remember if it was clear exactly where. Bran went north. Can't remember Rickon being mentioned again after that. He's 'out there' somewhere.

Old Dude
04-02-2012, 11:47 AM
I'm about 1/3 the way through the first book. Great read so far. I don't want to watch any of the shows until I finish the book, but I'm tempted to start season one and just watch up to the point that I am at in the book.

That will work well for Season 1. There are a couple of minor expository scenes in the show that got moved up from where they were in the books - mostly to make things a bit easier to follow, but you probably won't encounter too many spoilers so long as you don't watch too far ahead in the show.

I don't think that will work for Season 2, though. From what I've read and heard, more of the sequences are going to get switched around in Season Two (from books two and three), including a couple of really big ones (plotwise).

Steve Sewell
04-02-2012, 12:02 PM
Also, I think sometimes scenes in the book translate differently into the show. Like the bastard slaying scene last night, I think it held true to the book, but it hits home a lot harder when you're watching it as opposed to reading about it. See a dude with a knife and baby is rough to watch, easier to read.


I advise you to not read American Psycho.

BroncoBeavis
04-02-2012, 12:09 PM
I can't wait for Downton Abby to start back up. I am watching season 1 of GoT on DVD and it cannot compare to Downton Abby. Though the soft core porn is entertaining

I talked my wife into watching the 1st episode. She told me I could keep watching more if I wanted, but I'd be left alone with my lotion.

zdoor
04-02-2012, 12:22 PM
That's what I did. And if you are a third of the way in you can watch episodes 1 & 2 for sure. I found the show helped me with all the different characters. I was really impressed with how some of the Actors accurately portray the characters. Peter Dinklage very clearly deserved his Emmy for Tyrion. He isn't as ugly as in the books, but everything else is there. Sean Bean really hits on Ned's annoyed distaste for intrigue and his dismissive nature toward even trying to be subtle. Michelle Fairley actually made a Catelyn Stark stronger than she was in my mind and Lena Headley played Cercei Lanister weaker and almost exhausted, which I wasn't a big fan of.

The biggest surprise is the kids. All the young actors are amazing and push the show into excellence. Sensa, Arya, Jon, Robb and especially the awesomely despicable Joffrey are amazing.

Like all of these, the books are better but the show is great.

Agree. Was pleasantly surprised how well the actors have done. A little unsure of Stannis and Melisandre so far but that might just be that I had them pictured totally differently in my mind...

underrated29
04-02-2012, 12:27 PM
Agree. Was pleasantly surprised how well the actors have done. A little unsure of Stannis and Melisandre so far but that might just be that I had them pictured totally differently in my mind...

I also pictured them differently too, but thats alright.



Bronn- Yes, I love his character too, and the guy who plays him does well. One of my favs.

broncosteven
04-02-2012, 01:16 PM
Apples and Oranges, Steven. They are completely different shows. My Wife and I are big fans of both, but there are aspects of GoT that DA cannot compete with. Scope/scale/complexity of story/cast numbers. Most of us raving about GoT have read the books, and this gives a completely different take on the show. Peter Dinklage won an Emmy and a Golden Globe for his portrayal of Tyrion Lannister. As for the "Soft Porn", its HBO...what do you expect. You might want to wait until you've seen the whole of season 1 before you pass judgement as there is a tremendous amount of groundwork/introduction to be done.

Wagners Ring started slow too so I see your point but Lady Mary > Lady Stark.

;^ )

JLesSPE
04-02-2012, 02:21 PM
I'm interested to see how they cast Theon's sister Asha and Brienne.

underrated29
04-02-2012, 04:12 PM
I'm interested to see how they cast Theon's sister Asha and Brienne.



Not sure if you or anyone has ever played FableII for xbox360 (might be same for PS3) but anyway, there is a character in that game called Hammer- I picture Brienne to look exactly like her. Only more horse faced.

on a side note of that- it must suck to be the actress chosen for her part, because you have to be ugly with a horse face- knowing that cant feel good.

Kaylore
04-02-2012, 04:36 PM
Tyrion was supposed to be ugly and they just cast a talented small person. I'm sure they'll ugly up the actress a bit, but they might not be putting out the Steve Buscemi of women...

Fedaykin
04-02-2012, 04:45 PM
I'm interested to see how they cast Theon's sister Asha and Brienne.

Brienne has been cast.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uyzzqDvv_GY/T1OyZP6rA2I/AAAAAAAAAMo/ELrO590a2PY/s640/brienne_of_tarth.jpg

cutthemdown
04-02-2012, 04:54 PM
It's weird how this is one of the best shows on television, and it's not the geek elements that make it good. It's one of the best acted, best filmed shows I've seen.

I really can't imagine following it without having read the books, though. I guess it works. Plenty of people seem to like it without having read them.

I'm amazed by the detail to the wardrobes and costumes, and the sets. It's like watching an expensively made movie every episode.

Hey did anyone notice the part where Joffery the boy king was going to kill the guy by forcing wine down his throat? That is sort of a nod to Caligula, which is a really strange movie about Roman life.

My favorite character though is Arya she is a badass. I can't wait to see her do some killing. I am assuming she will lol. I haven't read books but maybe she ends up being a hero. Just a feeling. I was bummed they barely showed her in the first episode. But it was smart directing. It added to the sense that no one in the story really knows what happened to her.

Just awesome writing, great acting, and the set work and costume work is top notch.

Kaylore
04-02-2012, 04:57 PM
Brienne has been cast.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uyzzqDvv_GY/T1OyZP6rA2I/AAAAAAAAAMo/ELrO590a2PY/s640/brienne_of_tarth.jpg

That's Gwedoline Christie. She's not Kate Upton, but she doesn't have a Horse Face.

Then again, neither does Arya. I would have laughed if they offered the part to Sarah Jessica Parker. :~ohyah!:

Ratboy
04-02-2012, 05:43 PM
Excellent episode.

I should just wait until the season is over and watch it in one night.

cutthemdown
04-02-2012, 06:13 PM
Damn dude.. bad luck watching the season 2 premier before watching/reading the first season/book.

Yep it ruins the big surprise when Stark gets his head chopped off.

Dutch
04-02-2012, 07:14 PM
Excellent episode.

I should just wait until the season is over and watch it in one night.

Butt-numb-a-thon!

Pretty much what we did here at our place this last weekend. Younger Bro' came over to celebrate his B-day with us on Saturday afternoon. He saw the Blu-ray box set sitting out....and that was that. We were going to go to the movies, but it was for his Birthday. ^5 We ended up cooking Brats on the grill at about 1230, then camped out with Season 1 until 0200 Sunday morning. Crashed, got up and made a huge breakfast/brunch and finished off the last 2 episodes. Great time and set us up for the premier of season 2 perfectly! The show really does play even better when viewed straight through. We'll DVR Season2 so we can do the same with it later this summer when it is to hot to do much outside.

Dutch
04-02-2012, 07:27 PM
Wagners Ring started slow too so I see your point but Lady Mary > Lady Stark.

;^ )

Heh heh heh. Yeah, Lady Mary is quite lick....er, likable. None of the gals in Thrones has that kind of appeal to me. However, there are so many things coming up in Thrones that should be cool as hell. I am floored at the production value of this show. The rumor is that after the critical success of last season, HBO increased the overall production budget by something like 30-40%. They have been looking for a successor to The Sopranos since it ended. Something that would give them a 7-8 year run with consistent and distinctly higher quality than anything any other network was doing. Word is that they are thrilled with everything so far, but are pressuring Martin a bit to get the last two books completed.

broncosteven
04-02-2012, 07:34 PM
Heh heh heh. Yeah, Lady Mary is quite lick....er, likable. None of the gals in Thrones has that kind of appeal to me. However, there are so many things coming up in Thrones that should be cool as hell. I am floored at the production value of this show. The rumor is that after the critical success of last season, HBO increased the overall production budget by something like 30-40%. They have been looking for a successor to The Sopranos since it ended. Something that would give them a 7-8 year run with consistent and distinctly higher quality than anything any other network was doing. Word is that they are thrilled with everything so far, but are pressuring Martin a bit to get the last two books completed.

I loved what HBO did with Rome and I like the GoT concept but it is hard to establish a whole world and it's machinations in 1 hour episodes and keep the plot moving. I am hoping this coming season is even better, I sure as hell want it to be. I love the concept.

McDman
04-02-2012, 08:14 PM
I loved what HBO did with Rome and I like the GoT concept but it is hard to establish a whole world and it's machinations in 1 hour episodes and keep the plot moving. I am hoping this coming season is even better, I sure as hell want it to be. I love the concept.

Rome was so good. I keep hearing they are trying to make a movie.

Broncos_OTM
04-02-2012, 08:40 PM
Love this show. Probably my all time favorite. I liked Spartacus but it fizzled on me

Fedaykin
04-02-2012, 08:45 PM
That's Gwedoline Christie. She's not Kate Upton, but she doesn't have a Horse Face.

Then again, neither does Arya. I would have laughed if they offered the part to Sarah Jessica Parker. :~ohyah!:

Meh, I don't really expect them to make the following casting call:

"Seeking 6'2"+ woman, extremely broad shouldered, crooked and scarred nose, mouth far too wide with crooked teeth, flat chest, horse faced. Must be able to wield a great sword."

broncosteven
04-02-2012, 08:47 PM
Rome was so good. I keep hearing they are trying to make a movie.

I would rather have another season of it, even if it were a miniseries.

broncosteven
04-02-2012, 08:48 PM
Meh, I don't really expect them to make the following casting call:

"Seeking 6'2"+ woman, extremely broad shouldered, crooked and scarred nose, mouth far too wide with crooked teeth, flat chest, horse faced. Must be able to wield a great sword."

Julia Roberts or Cameron Diaz?

cutthemdown
04-02-2012, 08:48 PM
Love this show. Probably my all time favorite. I liked Spartacus but it fizzled on me

I thought the season finale of Spartacus was one of the best epsiodes of the whole thing. But its hard when a show has to switch actors. I eventually got used to the new Spartacus.

myMind
04-02-2012, 09:45 PM
I thought the season finale of Spartacus was one of the best epsiodes of the whole thing. But its hard when a show has to switch actors. I eventually got used to the new Spartacus.

Matter of opinion man. I loved Blood and Sand after a few episodes. I never really felt entertained during this season. I thought the finale was weak and predictable, but like I said, a matter of opinion.

Predictable is not something that can ever be said about GoT.

Dutch
04-02-2012, 10:04 PM
Rome was so good. I keep hearing they are trying to make a movie.

Rome was indeed great. Up to that point (2005-2007) it was the most expensive production ever in TV history. Thank the FN writers strike for killing it. They couldn't afford to keep paying the cast and crew with no scripts. HBO readily admits that they blew it by cancelling the show prematurely. As for the movie, Bruno Heller (co-creator/head writer) recently said "don't hold your breath". There seemed to be a nice amount of traction for it back in 2009-2010. Since then, it has vanished. Sucks as they were going to pick things up 5 years after the end of season 2, in Germany with Pullo and Vorenus (yep, still breathing). Bums me out, as it is one of my favorite shows ever.

Dutch
04-02-2012, 10:06 PM
I loved what HBO did with Rome and I like the GoT concept but it is hard to establish a whole world and it's machinations in 1 hour episodes and keep the plot moving. I am hoping this coming season is even better, I sure as hell want it to be. I love the concept.

Read the books, Steve. Read the books.

El Guapo
04-03-2012, 02:35 AM
I had to dvr (and stay away from this thread in the meantime). I watched it last night and I was NOT let down; however, I watched it after getting to a pivotal point midway through book 3 so I was pissed off while watching it. :approve:

Jay3
04-03-2012, 05:11 AM
however, I watched it after getting to a pivotal point midway through book 3 so I was pissed off while watching it. :approve:

I think our country may be torn asunder at some points during future seasons of this show, if its popularity continues.

v2micca
04-03-2012, 05:13 AM
I had to dvr (and stay away from this thread in the meantime). I watched it last night and I was NOT let down; however, I watched it after getting to a pivotal point midway through book 3 so I was pissed off while watching it. :approve:

Ah yes. The red wedding. Many a fan stopped reading after that point. Personally, I loved it. It took serious balls to go in that direction.

JLesSPE
04-03-2012, 05:42 AM
Ah yes. The red wedding. Many a fan stopped reading after that point. Personally, I loved it. It took serious balls to go in that direction.

I totally agree. It made me want to keep reading even more. I have to make sure all the characters I hate get what they deserve!

underrated29
04-03-2012, 08:34 AM
I totally agree. It made me want to keep reading even more. I have to make sure all the characters I hate get what they deserve!



I wonder what they are going to do/portray the end of book 2. As you all know there is a big twist/ surprise there that you do not find out about until book 3. Do you think they will leave it like GRRM did and make peeps wait for 3 (or will that deter so many from watching 3)- I was like WTF? No way, when I read it....Or will they include the part of book 3 into the end of two?






Im at page like 350 of book 5. But there was a character in the beginning of the show/books, that I really liked. Then I ended up hating him, now I am starting to like him again....Im so torn, I dont know what to do.

....just keep reading.




GRRM- Do Not Die- that is all that I say, we need those books to be finished.

Dutch
04-03-2012, 08:49 AM
I had to dvr (and stay away from this thread in the meantime). I watched it last night and I was NOT let down; however, I watched it after getting to a pivotal point midway through book 3 so I was pissed off while watching it. :approve:

The very reason I stopped midway through book 3. I'll read it after season2 completes on HBO. I don't mind knowing what is coming, I just don't want to be too far down the road as Martin's bomb dropping screwed up my viewing of season 1 last year.

Note: Sunday overnight ratings for Thrones with all three showings-

9pm- 3.858 million
10pm- 1.477 million
11pm- .943 million
Total- 6.278 million

Nice!

Dutch
04-08-2012, 08:41 PM
Just keeps getting better and better. Pretty much the way I imagined everything that happened tonight in ep2 when I was reading the books. Very impressed at the increased quality of this show from about mid season 1 all the way through to now. The writing and direction has become stronger every episode since around ep5 of season 1. It seems as if they have found their own confidence in the storytelling and are less concerned with the "fanboys" burning down the house if they streamline or deviate slightly from the text in order to make the story better for television. Well done, and looking forward to next week.

TheReverend
04-08-2012, 08:52 PM
I wonder what they are going to do/portray the end of book 2. As you all know there is a big twist/ surprise there that you do not find out about until book 3. Do you think they will leave it like GRRM did and make peeps wait for 3 (or will that deter so many from watching 3)- I was like WTF? No way, when I read it....Or will they include the part of book 3 into the end of two?

...I have no idea what you're talking about.

Taco John
04-08-2012, 09:04 PM
Just finished the first book. Loved it - especially how it ended.

My favorite character is Arya - she reminds me of my spirited daughter. I've started the second book already, and I'm eager to see what happens with her. I have a feeling she's going to be a bad ass by the time it's all said and done. Second favorite character is Tyrion, with Daenarys in third.

I haven't been this enthralled in a book since The Count of Montecristo. Great stuff! (anyone who hasn't read The Count yet is robbing themselves).

TheReverend
04-08-2012, 09:08 PM
Just finished the first book. Loved it - especially how it ended.

My favorite character is Arya - she reminds me of my spirited daughter. I've started the second book already, and I'm eager to see what happens with her. I have a feeling she's going to be a bad ass by the time it's all said and done. Second favorite character is Tyrion, with Daenarys in third.

I haven't been this enthralled in a book since The Count of Montecristo. Great stuff! (anyone who hasn't read The Count yet is robbing themselves).

Im pretty envious. Would love to be able to reread the series for the first time. Or memory wipe so I can enjoy the show even more.

Taco John
04-08-2012, 09:44 PM
Im pretty envious. Would love to be able to reread the series for the first time. Or memory wipe so I can enjoy the show even more.

I definitely love the feeling when you are at the start of an awesome chronicle.

If I could suggest another one that I enjoyed, try Pandora's Star (The Commonwealth Saga) by Peter F. Hamilton. I really enjoyed that one.

Ratboy
04-08-2012, 11:30 PM
I guess I am doing it wrong. I watched the show and would like to read the books.

Broncos_OTM
04-08-2012, 11:36 PM
I thought the season finale of Spartacus was one of the best epsiodes of the whole thing. But its hard when a show has to switch actors. I eventually got used to the new Spartacus.

It room me awhile to get into the new actor as well.. something about the acting seemed to lacking generally. And i hare the fact that they went away from the gladiator pits. And really just drug through. Kinda like Robert Jordan's wot lol that book drags

Taco John
04-09-2012, 12:40 AM
I guess I am doing it wrong. I watched the show and would like to read the books.


The books are far superior to the television series. The series is nice because it helps visualize the characters, but the depth of them can only be appreciated through the text. I'm starting the second book now and find myself at conflict. I'm on episode 7 of season 1 of the series, and want to watch the rest, but I'm finding that they are a distraction to my progress into book 2. I've never done this before where I ty to read the book while watching the television adaptation simultaneousy. Not sure I'd reccomend it...

Taco John
04-09-2012, 12:43 AM
I could only get through the first two episodes of Sparticus and stopped because I couldn't get past the veil of disbelief. All I saw were sand dunes in California somewhere and Hollywood drones. I should give it another look. I felt that way once about Stargate, and once I gave it a second look, I ended up loving it.

Fedaykin
04-09-2012, 01:00 AM
GRRM does love himself some incest =P Yara (Asha in the books) is indeed a devious woman.

On a more serious note, they seem to be diverging a lot more this season from the books. The entire sequence with Arya "Arry" and Gendry on the road to the wall is different (I'm assume most of the changes there are to cut 90% of their storyline on the way to the wall which is not particularly well suited to TV) and I'm not sure WTF they are doing with Jon Snow and Craster.

Finally, I didn't think they could manage to portray Littlefinger in a worse light than in the books, but they proved me wrong. Just know: it gets a whole, whole lot worse.

Fedaykin
04-09-2012, 01:03 AM
I could only get through the first two episodes of Sparticus and stopped because I couldn't get past the veil of disbelief. All I saw were sand dunes in California somewhere and Hollywood drones. I should give it another look. I felt that way once about Stargate, and once I gave it a second look, I ended up loving it.

Meh, Sparticus is pretty bad IMHO. It gets points only for being completely unabashed and for the guy who plays Batiatus. Other than that, it's pretty unremarkable.

v2micca
04-09-2012, 04:43 AM
GRRM does love himself some incest =P Yara (Asha in the books) is indeed a devious woman.


I guess I just don't why they renamed Asha to Yara for the series. From what I can tell, the character is mostly the same. Does anyone know the reason behind the name change?

scorpio
04-09-2012, 04:57 AM
I guess I just don't why they renamed Asha to Yara for the series. From what I can tell, the character is mostly the same. Does anyone know the reason behind the name change?

They thought people would confuse Asha and Osha the wildling

Taco John
04-09-2012, 11:48 PM
Peter Dinklage (Tyrion Lannister) is in a movie coming out this year - Knights of Baddasdom...

Looks like a cult classic in the making...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/kn1I4Stb-o8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

cutthemdown
04-10-2012, 12:29 AM
Meh, Sparticus is pretty bad IMHO. It gets points only for being completely unabashed and for the guy who plays Batiatus. Other than that, it's pretty unremarkable.

LOL that characters been dead for a whole season and a half.

Fedaykin
04-10-2012, 11:04 AM
LOL that characters been dead for a whole season and a half.

What's your point?

underrated29
04-10-2012, 11:29 AM
I guess I just don't why they renamed Asha to Yara for the series. From what I can tell, the character is mostly the same. Does anyone know the reason behind the name change?



This **** confused the hell out of me. "I was like oh hahah, asha, awesome."..."oh what? Her name isnt asha. Who the hell is this girl? Wait? She is his sister, but not asha....What is going onnnnnnnnnnn!!!!"

Requiem
04-10-2012, 11:32 AM
Meh, Sparticus is pretty bad IMHO. It gets points only for being completely unabashed and for the guy who plays Batiatus. Other than that, it's pretty unremarkable.

You watch Sparticus for the tittays dude.

Fedaykin
04-10-2012, 07:25 PM
You watch Sparticus for the tittays dude.

LMAO you caught me.

Requiem
04-10-2012, 07:27 PM
LMAO you caught me.

Well, that is why I watch it. I figured that it was the only reason most men did.

Archer81
04-10-2012, 07:30 PM
You watch Sparticus for the tittays dude.


I dont. But uhh...yeah.


:Broncos:

Requiem
04-10-2012, 07:32 PM
I dont. But uhh...yeah.


:Broncos:

Chris, I support your right to choose to watch Sparticus for the ridiculously toned abs and grunt fighters who are sweat machines. ^5

Archer81
04-10-2012, 07:53 PM
Chris, I support your right to choose to watch Sparticus for the ridiculously toned abs and grunt fighters who are sweat machines. ^5


Well that's just sexist. I watch for the cinematography, art direction and costume choice...

And the sweaty-absiness.

:Broncos:

Old Dude
04-10-2012, 08:33 PM
Peter Dinklage (Tyrion Lannister) is in a movie coming out this year - Knights of Baddasdom...

Looks like a cult classic in the making...

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Cult, schmult. I'm going to get a front row seat at the first showing in town. This looks almost as good as Dorkness Rising.

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v2micca
04-11-2012, 06:41 AM
Hey, It has been a long time since I read the books, I was hoping someone who has gone through them more recently can jog my memory.

I was surprised by Theon Greyjoy returning home to his father this early in the series. From my memories of reading the books, this event did not happen until much later. Am I misremembering the order, or did they move these events up in the story timeline?

Broncomutt
04-11-2012, 06:55 AM
Hey, It has been a long time since I read the books, I was hoping someone who has gone through them more recently can jog my memory.

I was surprised by Theon Greyjoy returning home to his father this early in the series. From my memories of reading the books, this event did not happen until much later. Am I misremembering the order, or did they move these events up in the story timeline?

The timeline is about right. He leaves Robb early in Clash of Kings, meets his father and his family and by the end of the book--treachery!!!

TheReverend
04-11-2012, 07:54 AM
Hey, It has been a long time since I read the books, I was hoping someone who has gone through them more recently can jog my memory.

I was surprised by Theon Greyjoy returning home to his father this early in the series. From my memories of reading the books, this event did not happen until much later. Am I misremembering the order, or did they move these events up in the story timeline?

Everything is accelerated with just 10 episodes to work with.

None more than Arya/Gendry that I've noticed so far.

peacepipe
04-11-2012, 08:03 AM
Everything is accelerated with just 10 episodes to work with. None more than Arya/Gendry that I've noticed so far.

that frustrates me. why just 10 episodes? I don't know how HBO operates but 10 episodes seems odd.

TheReverend
04-11-2012, 08:15 AM
that frustrates me. why just 10 episodes? I don't know how HBO operates but 10 episodes seems odd.

I'm hopeful they give season 3 more since its sooooooooo loaded with major plot lines.

v2micca
04-11-2012, 08:19 AM
that frustrates me. why just 10 episodes? I don't know how HBO operates but 10 episodes seems odd.

Honestly, I actually like the 10 episode format. It forces each episode to be more significant and seriously reduces the amount of filler that you get in a season.

Yes, there may be some smaller scenes that we lose. But overall, I prefer they keep it as tight as possible. Really looking forward to the end of this season. I heard they increased the budget by 15% for the big battle.

(That was my only issue with the first season. Due to budget reasons all the battles had to happen off screen)

TheReverend
04-11-2012, 08:21 AM
Frankly I hope they jam books 4 and 5 into one season

v2micca
04-11-2012, 08:30 AM
Frankly I hope they jam books 4 and 5 into one season

Doubtful. Book 5 was longer than any of the previous volumes. Plus, Martin probably still needs another 3 years at least before he can finish book 6. So, if HBO intends to continue the series that long, they will need the lead time.

TheReverend
04-11-2012, 08:49 AM
Doubtful. Book 5 was longer than any of the previous volumes. Plus, Martin probably still needs another 3 years at least before he can finish book 6. So, if HBO intends to continue the series that long, they will need the lead time.

And let's be serious... very little actually happened.

v2micca
04-11-2012, 09:40 AM
And let's be serious... very little actually happened.

Eh, more happened than in book 4. Don't want to go too much into the spoilers, but a lot of stuff went down with a lot of characters in book 5.

underrated29
04-11-2012, 11:18 AM
Eh, more happened than in book 4. Don't want to go too much into the spoilers, but a lot of stuff went down with a lot of characters in book 5.



Id have to agree with this.

I did not like 4 very much. Nothing happened at all. Without spoiling too much, a person in power, made moves with personnel- thats one episode which took the entire book to do.

Another person came into power (which we all expected)- that is one episode which took an entire book to do.

Another person- went on an exploration and learned and lived as another-this will take two episodes.

Another person was sent on an exploration with a few colleagues,-this will take 1 episode

Another person- was on a self imposed quest- 3 episodes if lucky

And lastly another person and family members squabbled over who is ruling/ruler etc etc.


Thats like 8 episodes if you draw it out....which I am not sure can be done.





I am only about 475 pages into book 5. But there is way more I think in 5.


we have already:
our little adventure with the Whargs
the wall and wildlings
Reek- who rhymes with bleak
The onion
the battle of asha
The ship sailing through the swamp lands and fog and the people aboard it
Denaryous

That right there is like 7 episodes and I am not even half way into the book.

PS- I like this book sooooooo much more than 4.

Boobs McGee
04-15-2012, 04:13 PM
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/winter_is_coming

Old Dude
04-16-2012, 11:23 AM
Season 2, Episode 4 should be a humdinger.

Fedaykin
04-16-2012, 12:20 PM
Season 2, Episode 4 should be a humdinger.

** MILD SPOILERS ***

Season/Book two starts out a bit slow, but holy hell does it get roaring! They are accelerating a lot of the story lines which is helping a lot.

Those of you who love action/battles are in for an awesome spectacle if they can pull it off in the budget. It'll never match the awesome picture that's in my head, but hopefully they can at least do it justice.

The book ain't called "A Clash of Kings" for the hell of it.

The story at the wall lights up as well, upping the ante on the peril from the north.

Dany's story is very slow in this book/season, but also has a spectacular ending. Though I do wonder who they cast as Strong Belwas? I always pictured a guy with the body and fashion sense of a sumo wrestler.

Taco John
04-17-2012, 11:59 PM
I've finally caught up in the book with the series. Definitely like the books better. I don't understand why they've taken the departures from the book that they've taken in some of the instances. It's distracting. Also, there must be a TON of stuff that happens in between chapter 50 and 70, because they've pretty much spent 3 episodes to cover chapters 1-50, and still have 7 more episodes to go.

Taco John
04-18-2012, 12:05 AM
I'm looking forward to how they portray the death of Renly Baratheon

Archer81
04-18-2012, 12:31 AM
I'm looking forward to how they portray the death of Renly Baratheon


Makes two of us.


:Broncos:

Archer81
04-18-2012, 12:32 AM
My brother and my mother love who they cast as the woman who joins Renly's kingsguard...her name escapes me at the moment. All I could think was damn that's a big bitch.


:Broncos:

cutthemdown
04-18-2012, 03:16 AM
The last 2 episodes were sort of boring. Great acting though and i get that they are setting up all the characters before the big battles start. I loved how the Imp set up how to find out who the queens spy was. He's a smart little dude.

El Guapo
04-18-2012, 10:02 AM
I'm looking forward to how they portray the death of Renly Baratheon

I'm looking forward to that as well. And as far as "spoiler" tags being implemented: :yayaya:

^5

BroncsRule
04-18-2012, 12:56 PM
My brother and my mother love who they cast as the woman who joins Renly's kingsguard...her name escapes me at the moment. All I could think was damn that's a big b****.


:Broncos:

Brienne - the Maid of Tarth. She becomes a major character, and yes, first look says they did a good job with the casting - again.

El Guapo
04-18-2012, 04:35 PM
Is the actress honestly that tall or is it camera trickery?

Old Dude
04-18-2012, 04:41 PM
Is the actress honestly that tall or is it camera trickery?

According to her film profile, she's 6'3.

http://meanmassive.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/game-thrones-season-2-cast-Gwendoline-Christie.jpg

I don't think she's fibbing.

Fedaykin
04-23-2012, 09:39 AM
OK, they did a decent job of the dragon fire melted stronghold of Harrenhall even with the radical changes made so far (are they really going to cut Roose out -- that's going to be hard to work around later on), and the actress playing Arya continues to impress.


The scene with the prostitutes and Joffrey was added -- I think in order to make up for not being able to show the true nastiness that sadist Joffrey visits on Sansa. The throne room scene was a relatively tame (if you can believe it) compression of a series of escalating cruelties.

Finally -- I'm actually impressed with what they did with the shadow *spoiler* {assassin} so far. A lot different that what I envisioned in my head, and so far a lot better as well.

And finally. Bronn. How can you not love a guy who has no problem saying about his (deserving of the moniker) King: "Can't fix being a c**t"?

v2micca
04-23-2012, 10:25 AM
And finally. Bronn. How can you not love a guy who has no problem saying about his (deserving of the moniker) King: "Can't fix being a ****"?

God yes. I love Bronn. He is yet another actor perfectly cast for the part. He seems to get some of the best one-liners in the series and tends to make the most out of them.

lolcopter
04-23-2012, 11:00 AM
Looking forward to Joffrey's demise. Sadistic little ****...

Sansa is gorgeous. Love her

JLesSPE
04-23-2012, 11:01 AM
are they really going to cut Roose out -- that's going to be hard to work around later on

Not completely, he was talking to Rob I think this last episode. That kind of confused me that Arrya is now Tywin's cup bearer but Bolton is still in the show...like they just moved where he is. Maybe they'll bring him into Harrenhal later or something. Its been so long since I read the second book a lot of these detail changes are having me question what I read. I think it would've been better as a 30 episode season airing 3 episodes a week...not possible I know

Taco John
04-23-2012, 11:06 AM
OK, they did a decent job of the dragon fire melted stronghold of Harrenhall even with the radical changes made so far (are they really going to cut Roose out -- that's going to be hard to work around later on), and the actress playing Arya continues to impress.


The scene with the prostitutes and Joffrey was added -- I think in order to make up for not being able to show the true nastiness that sadist Joffrey visits on Sansa. The throne room scene was a relatively tame (if you can believe it) compression of a series of escalating cruelties.

Finally -- I'm actually impressed with what they did with the shadow *spoiler* {assassin} so far. A lot different that what I envisioned in my head, and so far a lot better as well.

And finally. Bronn. How can you not love a guy who has no problem saying about his (deserving of the moniker) King: "Can't fix being a ****"?

FYI - [ spoiler ] tags are working. Just put whatever the spoiler is between the tags.

Taco John
04-23-2012, 11:35 AM
Not completely, he was talking to Rob I think this last episode. That kind of confused me that Arrya is now Tywin's cup bearer but Bolton is still in the show...like they just moved where he is. Maybe they'll bring him into Harrenhal later or something. Its been so long since I read the second book a lot of these detail changes are having me question what I read. I think it would've been better as a 30 episode season airing 3 episodes a week...not possible I know

The second season is very different from the book. I'm wondering if they're even going to show Jaquen's three kills. They've advanced the plot well past the Weasel Soup incident - or so it would seem.

McDman
04-23-2012, 11:39 AM
They didn't make Brienne ugly enough though.

lolcopter
04-23-2012, 11:52 AM
They didn't make Brienne ugly enough though.

Disagree

JLesSPE
04-23-2012, 11:56 AM
The second season is very different from the book. I'm wondering if they're even going to show Jaquen's three kills. They've advanced the plot well past the Weasel Soup incident - or so it would seem.

In the preview for next week Jaquen mentions that he owes Arrya 3 lives or something to that effect so I imagine it'll happen next week. There is just so much detail to put into ~10 hours of film. Oh well, its still fun to watch.

Fedaykin
04-23-2012, 11:56 AM
FYI - [ spoiler ] tags are working. Just put whatever the spoiler is between the tags.
sweet! thanks

Jay3
04-23-2012, 12:09 PM
In the preview for next week Jaquen mentions that he owes Arrya 3 lives or something to that effect so I imagine it'll happen next week. There is just so much detail to put into ~10 hours of film. Oh well, its still fun to watch.

Plus I think her praying the names of those she wants to kill is somewhat of an indicator that the 3 lives will be centrally featured. It's just that she opened the cage last week, so it's about time they got around to it.

The people who do not read the spoiler-tagged material are stupid, not smart like those of us reading this.

Bronco Rob
04-29-2012, 11:48 AM
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DarkHorse30
04-29-2012, 04:25 PM
(spoiler alert) read them up until the point where theon (spoiler spoiler quit reading if you are hungry for HBO to poop out another episode) offs Bran and Rickon....for no apparent reason. All the good people die. What's the point of watching? it's nearly as laughable as vampire or zombies movies.

If you are into incest, bastards, dwarves and direwolves this miniseries is right up your alley. It's obvious to me that HBO and Hollyweird in general are playing us like a bunch dummies who can't read. Seriously. Incest is the crux of the story line? Nice...... if only I had sisters.

myMind
04-29-2012, 04:56 PM
(spoiler alert) read them up until the point where theon (spoiler spoiler quit reading if you are hungry for HBO to poop out another episode) offs Bran and Rickon....for no apparent reason. All the good people die. What's the point of watching? it's nearly as laughable as vampire or zombies movies.

If you are into incest, bastards, dwarves and direwolves this miniseries is right up your alley. It's obvious to me that HBO and Hollyweird in general are playing us like a bunch dummies who can't read. Seriously. Incest is the crux of the story line? Nice...... if only I had sisters.

Then don't watch it...and learn how to use the new spoiler tag system

DarkHorse30
04-29-2012, 05:08 PM
Then don't watch it...and learn how to use the new spoiler tag system
I'm not - I'm just surprised after all the hoopla over this series, after reading them the books were bad to begin with.

Archer81
04-29-2012, 05:10 PM
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Right...


:Broncos:

underrated29
04-29-2012, 05:20 PM
(spoiler alert) read them up until the point where theon (spoiler spoiler quit reading if you are hungry for HBO to poop out another episode) offs Bran and Rickon....for no apparent reason. All the good people die. What's the point of watching? it's nearly as laughable as vampire or zombies movies.

If you are into incest, bastards, dwarves and direwolves this miniseries is right up your alley. It's obvious to me that HBO and Hollyweird in general are playing us like a bunch dummies who can't read. Seriously. Incest is the crux of the story line? Nice...... if only I had sisters.



Wow this post is about as epically stupid as that one dude who said as a parent I do not approve of this show.


Guess what dude, your ugly but we still have to see your face. You don't hear is bitching about it

Fedaykin
04-29-2012, 05:24 PM
(spoiler alert) read them up until the point where theon (spoiler spoiler quit reading if you are hungry for HBO to poop out another episode) offs Bran and Rickon....for no apparent reason. All the good people die. What's the point of watching? it's nearly as laughable as vampire or zombies movies.

If you are into incest, bastards, dwarves and direwolves this miniseries is right up your alley. It's obvious to me that HBO and Hollyweird in general are playing us like a bunch dummies who can't read. Seriously. Incest is the crux of the story line? Nice...... if only I had sisters.

They don't die, they trick Theon. Theon just makes it look like their dead by killing some innocent kids that are similar in appearance and burning the bodies.

And, there hasn't been any incest (implied or otherwise) that wasn't in the books. What's your beef?

ZONA
04-29-2012, 07:25 PM
I've watched this series now 1.5 years and I give it a solid B. It just has too much of a "soap" feel to it for an A

Of course I love the series Dexter the most but Homeland really shocked me at how good it was. One of the best 1st year series I have seen so far. And I watch all of the SHO, HBO series. The Borgias is good also, give that one a B. Also got to give a shout out to Shameless, very clever and never a dull moment.

Fedaykin
04-29-2012, 08:04 PM
I've watched this series now 1.5 years and I give it a solid B. It just has too much of a "soap" feel to it for an A


A couple people have said that. What, exactly, makes it have a "soap" feel?

McDman
04-29-2012, 08:17 PM
(spoiler alert) read them up until the point where theon (spoiler spoiler quit reading if you are hungry for HBO to poop out another episode) offs Bran and Rickon....for no apparent reason. All the good people die. What's the point of watching? it's nearly as laughable as vampire or zombies movies.

If you are into incest, bastards, dwarves and direwolves this miniseries is right up your alley. It's obvious to me that HBO and Hollyweird in general are playing us like a bunch dummies who can't read. Seriously. Incest is the crux of the story line? Nice...... if only I had sisters.

Guess you quit reading, eh?

DarkHorse30
04-29-2012, 09:03 PM
Guess you quit reading, eh?

90% into Clash of Kings. I just figured, every hero is dying. If you're into that, fine. But I'm not. I think the guy is a good writer, he drew me right in with the Starks finding the direwolves. Cool. But it's just one stark dying off after another and then after nearly every Stark is killed off you think to yourself, "I've got 2 books left of this? Crikey"

DarkHorse30
04-29-2012, 09:16 PM
Fedaykin - point taken. I'm not patient enough to assume that the kids were alive, especially after their dad bit it at the hands of Cersei's son (from her brother - really? is that a necessary plot line?) maybe I just needed to read longer but the cliffhanger getting you into the 3rd book? I read a lot but this series was too dark and too ugly to be watchable. Plus, you can't watch it with your kids either....what's the point?

Fedaykin
04-29-2012, 09:38 PM
Fedaykin - point taken. I'm not patient enough to assume that the kids were alive, especially after their dad bit it at the hands of Cersei's son (from her brother - really? is that a necessary plot line?) maybe I just needed to read longer but the cliffhanger getting you into the 3rd book? I read a lot but this series was too dark and too ugly to be watchable. Plus, you can't watch it with your kids either....what's the point?

You don't understand why the Cersei & Jaime incest plot is perhaps _the_ most pivotal event in the recent history of this universe? It has ramifications that haven't even been realized yet. Westeros is divided and war torn because of it while going into what promises to be a long (10+ years) winter, the white walkers are returning and Dany is coming back to reclaim her birthright.

It's absolutely a necessary plot line -- it's what sets everything in motion. Without that plot line, life just goes on in Westeros (awaiting the return of the white walkers and Danerys anyway). It completely alters the political, military and social order of the seven kingdoms.

If you don't like -- that's fine to each his own, but you seem to be deeply misunderstanding a lot about what's going on.

Also, a story isn't any good if you can't watch it with your kids? Are you really saying that?

Taco John
04-29-2012, 10:19 PM
I love this saga. I'm 80% into Storm of Swords, and I'm gripped. There's just not enough hours in the day for me right now.

I'm going to be sad when I get to the end of the last book.

TheReverend
04-30-2012, 05:49 AM
I love this saga. I'm 80% into Storm of Swords, and I'm gripped. There's just not enough hours in the day for me right now.

I'm going to be sad when I get to the end of the last book.

Don't worry. The quality will fall off greatly after SoS, so its not that bad.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
04-30-2012, 07:07 AM
Don't worry. The quality will fall off greatly after SoS, so its not that bad.

I dunno. I thought a Dance With Dragons was stellar, but a Feast for Crows was a little slow due to all the new characters and settings. I've probably read Feast a solid five times now, it definitely grows on you at least. The series as a whole is still my favorite fantasy saga by a mile ahead of Sword of Truth and Symphany of Ages.


As for the HBO series, I think they're doing a good job on something I never thought could be brought to life. I disagree that the show is too dark as some other recent posters have opined. I think there are some great life lessons on treachery and overcoming obstacles. Above all else, I find the story one of overcoming adversity, and I fully expect the "good guys" to win in the end. I just like that figuring out whom the good guys are is difficult.

TheReverend
04-30-2012, 07:33 AM
I dunno. I thought a Dance With Dragons was stellar, but a Feast for Crows was a little slow due to all the new characters and settings. I've probably read Feast a solid five times now, it definitely grows on you at least. The series as a whole is still my favorite fantasy saga by a mile ahead of Sword of Truth and Symphany of Ages.


As for the HBO series, I think they're doing a good job on something I never thought could be brought to life. I disagree that the show is too dark as some other recent posters have opined. I think there are some great life lessons on treachery and overcoming obstacles. Above all else, I find the story one of overcoming adversity, and I fully expect the "good guys" to win in the end. I just like that figuring out whom the good guys are is difficult.

I dont think its even remotely debatable that more happens in SoS than aFfC and aDwD combined.

Combine that with him having to scrap his original plans two times over (1: to have a multi-year delay in between SoS and aFfC and 2: having to split book 4 into 1.5 books) along with his noted regrets for leaving things hanging as he did at the end of aDwD (also has said in next book all three dangling plot lines will be resolved VERY quickly) and you have exactly what I said... a very good story line that's just not executed nearly as well as SoS was.

Old Dude
04-30-2012, 07:38 AM
I think they are doing an amazing job with the TV adaptation.

Long before Martin wrote GoT, his bread and butter was TV screenplay. When that was over, he was sick and tired of writing within those restraints, so he threw all of them out in GoT which was never intended to make it to any sort of screen.

Ironically, here we are, and the writers and producers have to figure out some way to adapt an unadaptable story - - a huge cast, including many young children, incredibly complicated storylines, a deliberately uneven pace, dozens of unique locations that play a major role in the political and military landscape, major characters getting knocked off left and right, lots of gore, lots of FX, characters who have deliberately obscure motives, characters who pop up at one point in the story and then aren't seen or heard from again for thousands of pages and so forth.

They've had to somehow streamline this story far more than LotR and get the jist of someone's character across in just one or two scenes that otherwise evolved through multiple chapters in the books. At the same time, they have to add expositions to get across points only slowly implied by the books.

Then there's the cast. They can hardly hire an actor to play in one scene this season, and then sit on the sidelines for two years. (Looks like they've already had that problem with Gregor Clegane).

All things considered, I'm really impressed with the product. But remember, it's an adaptation, and, by definition, it's not going to be the same.

TheReverend
04-30-2012, 07:45 AM
All things considered, I'm really impressed with the product. But remember, it's an adaptation, and, by definition, it's not going to be the same.

They've done AMAZING work with the tv show. I'm fully on board with the changes theyve made. SPOILER: (No Jojen or Meera, going straight to Harrenhal, having Arya be Tywin's cupbeared instead of a beaten servant until Roose, having Davos sneak Melisandre in on the first shadow instead of the second one so its not so out of left field, etc)

DarkHorse30
04-30-2012, 09:12 AM
Also, a story isn't any good if you can't watch it with your kids? Are you really saying that?

Yes - murder and mayem is ok by me:sunshine:, but incest? And really all the sex scenes, it's like watching porn with your family. Seriously, think about it. Porn_with_with_your_family.....plus a little incest. Nice.

The book sounds a lot more interesting when you lay it out, but the falderal getting to the good parts is a buncha bunk.

peacepipe
04-30-2012, 09:28 AM
Yes - murder and mayem is ok by me:sunshine:, but incest? And really all the sex scenes, it's like watching porn with your family. Seriously, think about it. Porn_with_with_your_family.....plus a little incest. Nice.

The book sounds a lot more interesting when you lay it out, but the falderal getting to the good parts is a buncha bunk.

go **** yourself, you got nothing better to do than bitch about a TV show that you don't think is appropriate for your kids. don't ****ing watch it & you won't have nothing to bitch about. last I ****ing checked game of thrones was never meant to be a show for kids. JFC, your sensitive.

Kaylore
04-30-2012, 09:37 AM
I think they are doing an amazing job with the TV adaptation.

Long before Martin wrote GoT, his bread and butter was TV screenplay. When that was over, he was sick and tired of writing within those restraints, so he threw all of them out in GoT which was never intended to make it to any sort of screen.

Ironically, here we are, and the writers and producers have to figure out some way to adapt an unadaptable story - - a huge cast, including many young children, incredibly complicated storylines, a deliberately uneven pace, dozens of unique locations that play a major role in the political and military landscape, major characters getting knocked off left and right, lots of gore, lots of FX, characters who have deliberately obscure motives, characters who pop up at one point in the story and then aren't seen or heard from again for thousands of pages and so forth.

They've had to somehow streamline this story far more than LotR and get the jist of someone's character across in just one or two scenes that otherwise evolved through multiple chapters in the books. At the same time, they have to add expositions to get across points only slowly implied by the books.

Then there's the cast. They can hardly hire an actor to play in one scene this season, and then sit on the sidelines for two years. (Looks like they've already had that problem with Gregor Clegane).

All things considered, I'm really impressed with the product. But remember, it's an adaptation, and, by definition, it's not going to be the same.

Great post. Martin also uses the political intricacies and nuances of the medieval political landscape, particularly including the borderline incestuous aspect of the way royals used marriage to broker agreements and gain political power, as a source of inspiration in his works. This is why, as it was back then, the story isn't cut-and-dry or working in the framework of a typical narrative. You aren't going to get a normal hero-villain story arc. I think that is what makes so good; It's originality. However I do understand why that doesn't work for everyone.

Kaylore
04-30-2012, 09:40 AM
And the idea that Bill Clinton is Robert Baratheon is offensive to both men. Clinton was a draft-dodger and Robert really only knew war. Clinton is politically brilliant with a reputation for balancing the budget. Robert was politically simple-minded and spent like a mad man. Honestly Robert is Closer to W. than to Clinton.

TheReverend
04-30-2012, 09:52 AM
And the idea that Bill Clinton is Robert Baratheon is offensive to both men. Clinton was a draft-dodger and Robert really only knew war. Clinton is politically brilliant with a reputation for balancing the budget. Robert was politically simple-minded and spent like a mad man. Honestly Robert is Closer to Kennedy than to Clinton.

Fixed

Loved by the people, war hero, threw his meat in every woman, and assasinated

Fedaykin
04-30-2012, 09:56 AM
Yes - murder and mayem is ok by me:sunshine:, but incest? And really all the sex scenes, it's like watching porn with your family. Seriously, think about it. Porn_with_with_your_family.....plus a little incest. Nice.

The book sounds a lot more interesting when you lay it out, but the falderal getting to the good parts is a buncha bunk.

Uhh, who said you should watch it with your kids? It's not a kids story....

Kaylore
04-30-2012, 10:51 AM
Fixed

Loved by the people, war hero, threw his meat in every woman, and assasinated

True.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
04-30-2012, 12:22 PM
And the idea that Bill Clinton is Robert Baratheon is offensive to both men. Clinton was a draft-dodger and Robert really only knew war. Clinton is politically brilliant with a reputation for balancing the budget. Robert was politically simple-minded and spent like a mad man. Honestly Robert is Closer to W. than to Clinton.

Yes, but then the author of that chart couldn't have used the W/Hodor joke climax. Wife and I got a good chuckle out of that.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
04-30-2012, 12:30 PM
I dont think its even remotely debatable that more happens in SoS than aFfC and aDwD combined.

Combine that with him having to scrap his original plans two times over (1: to have a multi-year delay in between SoS and aFfC and 2: having to split book 4 into 1.5 books) along with his noted regrets for leaving things hanging as he did at the end of aDwD (also has said in next book all three dangling plot lines will be resolved VERY quickly) and you have exactly what I said... a very good story line that's just not executed nearly as well as SoS was.

Yep, yep. Not debating which book has more events. Just stating that in my opinion the quality of the epic seemed par for the course between the first three and Dance. As stated, I really enjoyed Dance. And while I would agree Feast was a little lackluster compared to the first three books, I still found it to be solid. I don't expect TacoJohn will be too disappointed.

I was not aware he was unhappy with how he left Dance though. I thought the cliffhangers were excellent, even though I think we all know where the characters are headed. Did he clarify his regrets?

DarkHorse30
04-30-2012, 12:33 PM
Uhh, who said you should watch it with your kids? It's not a kids story....

I don't think it's acceptable watching with friends, either. Sex scenes with friends...

"oh yeah, there they are dog style....just like me and you do, Lizzy"

"well, there are wolves in this show, Jim"

"lovely form, and say he lasted quite a while there....but how DOES a dwarf do that without a prop, Amanda?"

"Great question; let's discuss it at dinner"

Seriously, it's vile. I don't want it on my TV. And if the kids DO walk in, (or watch it themselves...because that is what kids do) it's nearly unexplainable....especially the incest.

Sorry gang, I'm just calling it as I see it.....opposing opinions in a GOF thread, pray tell? Blasphemy!

TheReverend
04-30-2012, 12:46 PM
I don't think it's acceptable watching with friends, either. Sex scenes with friends...

I find it odd that that would bother you...

"oh yeah, there they are dog style....just like me and you do, Lizzy"

"well, there are wolves in this show, Jim"

"lovely form, and say he lasted quite a while there....but how DOES a dwarf do that without a prop, Amanda?"

"Great question; let's discuss it at dinner"

Seriously, it's vile. I don't want it on my TV. And if the kids DO walk in, (or watch it themselves...because that is what kids do) it's nearly unexplainable....especially the incest.

Sorry gang, I'm just calling it as I see it.....opposing opinions in a GOF thread, pray tell? Blasphemy!

...and I find you thinking and consciously deciding to write out this portion of the post way more awkward than the potential scenarios you've provided.

TheReverend
04-30-2012, 12:48 PM
Yep, yep. Not debating which book has more events. Just stating that in my opinion the quality of the epic seemed par for the course between the first three and Dance. As stated, I really enjoyed Dance. And while I would agree Feast was a little lackluster compared to the first three books, I still found it to be solid. I don't expect TacoJohn will be too disappointed.

I was not aware he was unhappy with how he left Dance though. I thought the cliffhangers were excellent, even though I think we all know where the characters are headed. Did he clarify his regrets?

Oh btw, might be having a book launch party (I dont want to lol) at the start of July.

If I'm forced into it, I'll PM you info and an invite.

Taco John
04-30-2012, 01:07 PM
Great post. Martin also uses the political intricacies and nuances of the medieval political landscape, particularly including the borderline incestuous aspect of the way royals used marriage to broker agreements and gain political power, as a source of inspiration in his works. This is why, as it was back then, the story isn't cut-and-dry or working in the framework of a typical narrative. You aren't going to get a normal hero-villain story arc. I think that is what makes so good; It's originality. However I do understand why that doesn't work for everyone.


The POV nature of the books is what makes the entire thing a literary masterwork IMO. Everybody is a good guy and everybody is a bad guy depending on the perspective the story is being told from. The video adaptation cant capture that very well. We'll never get to see how Jamie Lannister views himself and the rationalizations behind his actions in the same way the book describes them in the "Jamie" POV chapters...

TheReverend
04-30-2012, 01:11 PM
The POV nature of the books is what makes the entire thing a literary masterwork IMO. Everybody is a good guy and everybody is a bad guy depending on the perspective the story is being told from. The video adaptation cant capture that very well. We'll never get to see how Jamie Lannister views himself and the rationalizations behind his actions in the same way the book describes them in the "Jamie" POV chapters...

Well you cant make that judgment until they actually kick in in the storyline which wont be until next season.

At this point in the books you absolutely still hate Jaime Lannister with a passion.

Archer81
04-30-2012, 01:22 PM
Yes - murder and mayem is ok by me:sunshine:, but incest? And really all the sex scenes, it's like watching porn with your family. Seriously, think about it. Porn_with_with_your_family.....plus a little incest. Nice.

The book sounds a lot more interesting when you lay it out, but the falderal getting to the good parts is a buncha bunk.


History must bother you then. Royals marry other royals. Often, they are damn near brother and sister. See Nicholas II of Russia or King Tut. Then in WWI you have the royal houses of Europe engaged in war against one another and nearly all of them were related to Queen Victoria of the UK.

The porn w/ family thing...knowing what type of series GoT is I'd be leery of letting anyone under 16 watching it. But even then the show is still not as sex filled as the books are.

:Broncos:

Old Dude
04-30-2012, 01:23 PM
I agree with TJ that it's hard to capture the same POV treatment in the series.

There are just some things that books do better. For example, remember all the poems and songs and lineages and legendary background tales that framed Tolkein's LotR. They barely scratched the surface of this stuff in over ten hours of the movie series.

Still, there's a lot that can be done on the screen to "color" someone's POV. A kindness here, a quip there, a quick exposition over there, etc. It will be interesting to see how they handle this.

DarkHorse30
04-30-2012, 03:41 PM
...and I find you thinking and consciously deciding to write out this portion of the post way more awkward than the potential scenarios you've provided.

It is uncomfortable scenes for public viewing. I really don't see how anybody could watch that stuff with friends or family. Just because HBO thinks its ok, doesn't make it ok with me. So Game of Thrones is ONLY OK in your own home, by yourself, without the kids watching.....it seems like......porn.

I don't like when comedy or drama turns blue. Really, it cheapens the humor and the drama. I would love to watch this drama because the story has a TON of twists and turns that Fedaykin pointed out (which I didn't have the patience to read through until it happened) BUT, when its smutty, it just cheapens the whole show. These actions can be hinted at without a full display of f'ing for you and yours, RIGHT ON YOUR TV......like.....you know

vancejohnson82
04-30-2012, 03:47 PM
It is uncomfortable scenes for public viewing. I really don't see how anybody could watch that stuff with friends or family. Just because HBO thinks its ok, doesn't make it ok with me. So Game of Thrones is ONLY OK in your own home, by yourself, without the kids watching.....it seems like......porn.

I don't like when comedy or drama turns blue. Really, it cheapens the humor and the drama. I would love to watch this drama because the story has a TON of twists and turns that Fedaykin pointed out (which I didn't have the patience to read through until it happened) BUT, when its smutty, it just cheapens the whole show. These actions can be hinted at without a full display of f'ing for you and yours, RIGHT ON YOUR TV......like.....you know

the news must make you feel really uncomfortable too...or how about Seinfeld addressing masturbation?

Jay3
04-30-2012, 05:15 PM
It is uncomfortable scenes for public viewing. I really don't see how anybody could watch that stuff with friends or family. Just because HBO thinks its ok, doesn't make it ok with me. So Game of Thrones is ONLY OK in your own home, by yourself, without the kids watching.....it seems like......porn.

I don't like when comedy or drama turns blue. Really, it cheapens the humor and the drama. I would love to watch this drama because the story has a TON of twists and turns that Fedaykin pointed out (which I didn't have the patience to read through until it happened) BUT, when its smutty, it just cheapens the whole show. These actions can be hinted at without a full display of f'ing for you and yours, RIGHT ON YOUR TV......like.....you know

This man is correct.

Shananahan
04-30-2012, 05:28 PM
It is uncomfortable scenes for public viewing. I really don't see how anybody could watch that stuff with friends or family. Just because HBO thinks its ok, doesn't make it ok with me. So Game of Thrones is ONLY OK in your own home, by yourself, without the kids watching.....it seems like......porn.

I don't like when comedy or drama turns blue. Really, it cheapens the humor and the drama. I would love to watch this drama because the story has a TON of twists and turns that Fedaykin pointed out (which I didn't have the patience to read through until it happened) BUT, when its smutty, it just cheapens the whole show. These actions can be hinted at without a full display of f'ing for you and yours, RIGHT ON YOUR TV......like.....you know
It's not porn, it's just titillation. I'll agree that most of it doesn't really add anything to the story or really the overall quality of the show (though Emilia Clarke naked should be making anyone complain), but for you to dismiss it as vile either makes you naive or sheltered.

You've probably missed out on most of the best television of the last decade in this and several other shows by being so easily offended, so squeamish and so reactionary.

Pendejo
04-30-2012, 05:52 PM
I stopped just shy of finishing the first book, haven't seen the television show and don't care to.

Saying that...if someone wants to edit out the nudie parts for Darkhorse30...I'll take them. I'll even discuss them.

DarkHorse
04-30-2012, 06:05 PM
It's an HBO show, why the hell do some of you guys have HBO if it's uncomfortable to watch some of these shows?

Most HBO shows have some sort of sex, sex talk, graphic nudity, etc... in them.

Cancel your HBO and go buy some more bibles and Dr. Suess books to drool over.

cutthemdown
04-30-2012, 06:59 PM
If you want a family show watch something like Merlin on the BBC. Some adults, most adults want to watch programming like Game Of Thrones. Besides a lot of the episodes have no sex.

TheReverend
04-30-2012, 07:14 PM
Anyone else just notice DarkHorse shoot down DarkHorse30?

DarkHorse30
04-30-2012, 08:22 PM
It's an HBO show, why the hell do some of you guys have HBO if it's uncomfortable to watch some of these shows?

Most HBO shows have some sort of sex, sex talk, graphic nudity, etc... in them.

Cancel your HBO and go buy some more bibles and Dr. Suess books to drool over.

I don't have HBO. I talked about the books that I read and referenced the show. My wife saw it at her sister's house and said it was pretty sleasy, and she was uncomfortable watching it with her and her husband.

FWIW, I think the writer is talented, but I didn't like the darkness of the novels. Now I think the slease of HBO is ruining it. I was interested in watching the show, because I thought the book was dark but well written (except for that whole incest thing, which seems to be so central - I'm not convinced), but after talking it over with my wife, I'm uninterested.

So your view is that anybody who is uncomfortable with watching actor's having sex on an HBO show is AUTOMATICALLY a bible-thumping Suesser? Whatever.

Pendejo
04-30-2012, 08:24 PM
I don't have HBO. I talked about the books that I read and referenced the show. My wife saw it at her sister's house and said it was pretty sleasy, and she was uncomfortable watching it with her and her husband.

FWIW, I think the writer is talented, but I didn't like the darkness of the novels. Now I think the slease of HBO is ruining it. I was interested in watching the show, because I thought the book was dark but well written (except for that whole incest thing, which seems to be so central - I'm not convinced), but after talking it over with my wife, I'm uninterested.

So your view is that anybody who is uncomfortable with watching actor's having sex on an HBO show is AUTOMATICALLY a bible-thumping Suesser? Whatever.

Did your wife come up with the sex talk scenario, or was that all you? Do either of you cam?

underrated29
04-30-2012, 08:47 PM
You seem like a nice guy but you really sound like a vagina right now. Im not sure if man card should be revoked or just feel sad for you.

I mean it sounds like you are ashamed about boobs

bowtown
04-30-2012, 08:58 PM
This thread just took a very awesome turn.

Taco John
04-30-2012, 09:12 PM
If there is something amiss,
in your lower courtyard,
to whom will you beckon for help?

Old Dude
04-30-2012, 09:30 PM
Anyone else just notice DarkHorse shoot down DarkHorse30?

This is why they couldn't have Osha and Asha in the same episode.

vancejohnson82
04-30-2012, 09:39 PM
IMO, MTV has some of the trashiest television I've ever seen put on air

however, I'm not going to keep the de-railing of this thread continue....Game of Thrones is a great show/story

Kaylore
04-30-2012, 10:58 PM
I do think the cable shows over-play the nudity. Dexter was so into showing breasts they had one of their characters make fun of it. I suppose since the books don't get too detailed, seeing some of the violence and nudity first hand is a bit of shock. That said, I totally get why it wouldn't be for everybody.

bowtown
05-01-2012, 04:24 AM
I do think the cable shows over-play the nudity. Dexter was so into showing breasts they had one of their characters make fun of it. I suppose since the books don't get too detailed, seeing some of the violence and nudity first hand is a bit of shock. That said, I totally get why it wouldn't be for everybody.

Please... you make it sound like it's Ghostbusters or something.

Jay3
05-01-2012, 04:26 AM
It's unnecessary and over the top. They've got all sorts of things going on in the background at the whorehouse.

It limits the audience for the show, limits the number of people you can recommend it to in clear conscience, limits the age range of the show (old ladies and younger people).

I know most of you are like "Screw them, I con't care about other people, extended family, coworkers, kids, friends at church, screw them all for having a personality different from mine. If they're like that, they're defective and need to change." But it matters to me -- I enjoy having a shared experience of the story with a broad class of my fellow human beings. And Game of Thrones is so gratuitous that it inhibits that.

bowtown
05-01-2012, 04:37 AM
It's unnecessary and over the top. They've got all sorts of things going on in the background at the whorehouse.

It limits the audience for the show, limits the number of people you can recommend it to in clear conscience, limits the age range of the show (old ladies and younger people).

I know most of you are like "Screw them, I con't care about other people, extended family, coworkers, kids, friends at church, screw them all for having a personality different from mine. If they're like that, they're defective and need to change." But it matters to me -- I enjoy having a shared experience of the story with a broad class of my fellow human beings. And Game of Thrones is so gratuitous that it inhibits that.

I feel the same way about movies with both Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan. To each his own. You clearly aren't who the show is trying to cater to.

v2micca
05-01-2012, 04:52 AM
Getting back to discussing the show, I find I'm starting to really get annoyed at some of the changes they have made in season 2. Replacing Jeyne Westerling with the Talisa character was a pretty lame move.

And of course there is still the Mago issue at play. According to George R. R. Martin, he is due to be a important re-occurring character in the upcoming Winds of Winter, but the show already killed him off in Season 1. I just wonder how they plan on back-tracking that one.

Jay3
05-01-2012, 05:46 AM
I feel the same way about movies with both Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan. To each his own. You clearly aren't who the show is trying to cater to.

Maybe not, even though I've read all five books and watch the show every week.

It's possible to like the show and still have a critical opinion. For example, it was dumb as rocks to end last week's show on the Vagina Smoke Man instead of Renly's murder. They should have done the cliffhanger on "what happened to Renly?" and hinted at Vagina Smoke Man.

Jay3
05-01-2012, 05:48 AM
Getting back to discussing the show, I find I'm starting to really get annoyed at some of the changes they have made in season 2. Replacing Jeyne Westerling with the Talisa character was a pretty lame move.

I think this is headed towards an improvement. One of the weak points of the books was how unmotivated Rob's marriage seemed to us, because it occurred "off camera." That kind of stuff won't work for episodic television. So I think a sassy medic was needed to spark our interest in how he fell for his plebian wife.

v2micca
05-01-2012, 06:24 AM
I think this is headed towards an improvement. One of the weak points of the books was how unmotivated Rob's marriage seemed to us, because it occurred "off camera." That kind of stuff won't work for episodic television. So I think a sassy medic was needed to spark our interest in how he fell for his plebian wife.


I disagree. The entire sub-plot with Jeyne was meant to underscore both Robb's youth, and his sense of honor that he inherited from his father.

Spoilerish for those who have not read the books. In the books, Robb is convalescing from an arrow wound when he receives some rather bad news from home. Jeyne Westerling, who had been tending to his injuries, attempts to confort him and being the emotional 16-17 year old kids they are, things get out of hand. Robb, being the possibly overly honorable lad that he is, chooses to marry the girl.

Honestly, in the context of the series, and given the character of Robb Stark, the entire situation made perfect sense. It also re-in-forced the continuing themes of men allowing honor to blind them from common sense often to their own demise.

DarkHorse
05-01-2012, 08:44 AM
Anyone else just notice DarkHorse shoot down DarkHorse30?

Hehehe - wasn't meant like that but......



And no I don't automatically think people who dislike sex on TV are bible thumping suessers, I think they have homosexual tendencies.


j/k - watch what you want while you can. If these idiot bible thumpers make it into office we're all going to be watching reboots of Mr. Rodgers neighborhood or teletubbies.

Old Dude
05-01-2012, 08:55 AM
... I think a sassy medic was needed to spark our interest in how he fell for his plebian wife.

Good point. Another thing is this. In order to streamline Arya's story, they cut out a lot of the "countryside" scenes that showed just how deadly and disruptive the civil war has become for the peasants and villagers - - something that will play a bigger role later. This was a chance to show that a lot of the rank and file citizenry and footsoldiers don't really give a damn who's in charge because they are too busy just trying to stay alive.

Fedaykin
05-01-2012, 10:07 AM
Sounds like a couple people here would be better served watching the Disney channel.

No hate to people who simply don't like the books and/or how HBO does it, but I'm deadly curious: If it's vile and reprehensible as some claim, why do you still watch it and come into a thread to whine about it?

Personally, things I find vile I tend to avoid...

lolcopter
05-01-2012, 11:44 AM
Despite this being a fictional story, much much worse has happened in real life over the course of history re: incestruous royalty, torture, sadistic sexual tendencies, etc.

If you wanna live in a safe little bubble, have at it. Just don't write off what is shaping up to be a phenomenal television production because you thinking everything on HBO (lol) should be rated TV-G

Jay3
05-01-2012, 12:32 PM
No hate to people who simply don't like the books and/or how HBO does it, but I'm deadly curious: If it's vile and reprehensible as some claim, why do you still watch it and come into a thread to whine about it?

Personally, things I find vile I tend to avoid...

I gave my reasons -- it's unnecessary (what people call "gratuitous") and therefore lessons the product. When something is put into the picture that seems gratuitous, it snaps you out of the "spell" that a movie or tv show can have and you, and makes it not as good. It's a criticism, and a valid one. The answer to all criticisms is not "well don't watch it." That's the answer to someone who wants it taken off the air. To someone who is watching it and enjoying it every week (myself), it's invalid to respond like that -- we are entitled to question the product on the screen, whether it's because it's boring, poorly acted, adapted from the books wrong, or in this case, containing too much gratuitous boobies. It makes a large part of the population not want to watch it, and I would prefer they make it for a slightly broader audience.

underrated29
05-01-2012, 12:38 PM
I gave my reasons -- it's unnecessary (what people call "gratuitous") and therefore lessons the product. When something is put into the picture that seems gratuitous, it snaps you out of the "spell" that a movie or tv show can have and you, and makes it not as good. It's a criticism, and a valid one. The answer to all criticisms is not "well don't watch it." That's the answer to someone who wants it taken off the air. To someone who is watching it and enjoying it every week (myself), it's invalid to respond like that -- we are entitled to question the product on the screen, whether it's because it's boring, poorly acted, adapted from the books wrong, or in this case, containing too much gratuitous boobies. It makes a large part of the population not want to watch it, and I would prefer they make it for a slightly broader audience.




while this makes sense, and I get what you are saying- i disagree partially.


A large part of the population does watch it as it is booming and the books have become best sellers now and dinklage and some other were up or won Emmys because of this show, which is there because of the large population.

Also, the larger population of men in the world feel that any boob shot is a good shot. And not overzealous by any means. I do not feel that the show has gone too far on the tits and ass, hell you even see hodors wang in the first series. But it is what makes the appeal. This is an adult show, which mimics real life and the book very very closely. I think most of the audience that watch this show enjoy the uncensored part of it as we can relate to this show as we do in life.

Maybe not all the whoring and such but you get what I mean. I think it is perfect!

Gort
05-01-2012, 12:49 PM
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/hilarious-dirty-joke-photos-humor-33.jpg

supermanhr9
05-01-2012, 01:04 PM
Wow... just be glad that they haven't shown or created the back story of "The Mountain". You'd really by boo-hooing judging by the amount you let some boobies on TV affect you. "The Mountain" is a straight evil dude that is probably the darkest character in the entire series, him or Roose Bolton's Bastard Son.

JLesSPE
05-01-2012, 01:36 PM
Shouldn't Vargo Hoat be showing up soon? I'm all confused with the timeline now that they're moving things around. I know Brienne still has to escort Jaime from the riverlands and all that, but I thought Hoat took over Harrenhal well before that. Maybe its after Tywin leaves.

myMind
05-01-2012, 02:01 PM
I gave my reasons -- it's unnecessary (what people call "gratuitous") and therefore lessons the product. When something is put into the picture that seems gratuitous, it snaps you out of the "spell" that a movie or tv show can have and you, and makes it not as good. It's a criticism, and a valid one. The answer to all criticisms is not "well don't watch it." That's the answer to someone who wants it taken off the air. To someone who is watching it and enjoying it every week (myself), it's invalid to respond like that -- we are entitled to question the product on the screen, whether it's because it's boring, poorly acted, adapted from the books wrong, or in this case, containing too much gratuitous boobies. It makes a large part of the population not want to watch it, and I would prefer they make it for a slightly broader audience.

What do you find gratuitous? Im curious. Every sexual act and squirmy, cringe inducing scene has happened in real life I would bet. Gay sex? yes it has. Incest? yes it has. ****ed up **** happening in a brothel? yes it has. Murder and betrayal? yes it has. Demon shadow babies? errr...maybe not so much.

What outside of your own taste and opinion says that a show should only portray the happy and moral side of life. I understand that some people dont like watching sex and grisly death, it makes them uncomfortable. These need to realize that some people don't mind the realism it adds.

Like many others here have said.
If you don't like, fine, just dont watch it, and dont bother the people who enjoy it.

myMind
05-01-2012, 02:05 PM
Shouldn't Vargo Hoat be showing up soon? I'm all confused with the timeline now that they're moving things around. I know Brienne still has to escort Jaime from the riverlands and all that, but I thought Hoat took over Harrenhal well before that. Maybe its after Tywin leaves.

Vargo captures brienne and jaime as they flee south, he brings them to harrenhal where Bolton is the current lord. Bolton frees Jaime and leaves the castle to Vargo.

TheReverend
05-01-2012, 02:09 PM
Vargo captures brienne and jaime as they flee south, he brings them to harrenhal where Bolton is the current lord. Bolton frees Jaime and leaves the castle to Vargo.

While all true, JLessPe is right or close to right. He's introduced before the instances you mention... roughly at the time we're at now in the show only the equivalent in the books. He's the one Tywin leaves in charge when he leaves and then double crosses him by making the deal with Bolton

myMind
05-01-2012, 02:30 PM
While all true, JLessPe is right or close to right. He's introduced before the instances you mention... roughly at the time we're at now in the show only the equivalent in the books. He's the one Tywin leaves in charge when he leaves and then double crosses him by making the deal with Bolton

If Im not mistaken, we only see Hoat and his companions once through Aryas pov at Harrenhel, before he captures jaime. Since Hoat hasnt been cast, they may just leave out that scene where Arya sees them riding through the courtyard. I also doubt they will have Jaime being captured this season, though Im relatively certain he will be released this season.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-01-2012, 02:47 PM
I wrote this for my blog...admittedly not my best work, but might give you a chuckle...i hope: http://peelingtheskin.blogspot.com/2012/05/what-may-1st-means-to-me-im-obsessed.html

Taco John
05-01-2012, 03:03 PM
I'm at the end of Storm of swords, and my head is spinning at how this entire universe has been flipped on its head. I can't wait to see if/how Littlefinger, Stanis, and Jon Snow's stories intercross - and what happens when Dany crosses the sea...

SonOfLe-loLang
05-01-2012, 03:23 PM
yeah, i gotta stop reading this thread...i havent read the books

spdirty
05-01-2012, 03:34 PM
I feel like a real asshole now. Have every episode recorded and my grandma came and visited me bout 2 weeks ago, I turned her onto it, we watched every episode in marathon style from the first to the thirteenth, and she was bitching about all the sex and violence. I'd known it was in there but kind of forgot how much was in there till she was bitching about it. Oh well.

Archer81
05-01-2012, 03:54 PM
I feel like a real a-hole now. Have every episode recorded and my grandma came and visited me bout 2 weeks ago, I turned her onto it, we watched every episode in marathon style from the first to the thirteenth, and she was b****ing about all the sex and violence. I'd known it was in there but kind of forgot how much was in there till she was b****ing about it. Oh well.


My grandmother caught an episode where Theon's junk is on display. Apparently he reminds her of my grandfather when he was younger. Which is completely and utterly gross. I hope she means his face...

I really hope she means his face.

:Broncos:

ZONA
05-01-2012, 04:08 PM
A couple people have said that. What, exactly, makes it have a "soap" feel?

I would say the "soap" feel comes from having so many characters and all the dialog scene switching between all them and the fact there really is no lead character to help tie the plot to. And the amount of action for this type of series is more then a bit lacking. And there is a real void in the suspense department. I don't feel, between episodes, that I can't wait to see what happens next. I like the show, and I will still continue to watch it because there are some really good things I like about it but so far it's a bit of a let down overall.

Give Homeland a try. You'll get more action, more suspense. A very well made show so far.

TheReverend
05-01-2012, 04:10 PM
If Im not mistaken, we only see Hoat and his companions once through Aryas pov at Harrenhel, before he captures jaime. Since Hoat hasnt been cast, they may just leave out that scene where Arya sees them riding through the courtyard. I also doubt they will have Jaime being captured this season, though Im relatively certain he will be released this season.

You are mistaken. Hoat is in 3 Arya chapters and 1 Tyrion chapter pre-SoS. Him and the Brave Companions are pretty familiar by the time they take Jaime and his hand

Fedaykin
05-01-2012, 04:29 PM
I would say the "soap" feel comes from having so many characters and all the dialog scene switching between all them and the fact there really is no lead character to help tie the plot to. And the amount of action for this type of series is more then a bit lacking. And there is a real void in the suspense department. I don't feel, between episodes, that I can't wait to see what happens next. I like the show, and I will still continue to watch it because there are some really good things I like about it but so far it's a bit of a let down overall.


I agree it's much more of an ensemble show than almost everything else on TV, though I would say that several characters emerge as the main characters (both in the books and the series): Dany, Jon, Ned (until he dies) and then Tyrion. Arya could be, but her story is so disconnected from the rest it's hard to classify what she is.

Anyway, I didn't realize that's "soapy" but OK =) I figured you were going to say it was too melodramatic or something like that.

It's doing a good job of being true to the source material despite the radical differences needed to make it a TV series. It's a very character driven/cerebral series, with a lot of the "happenings" going on in the character's head (Tyrion's chapters are generally a riot to read). The books don't have a ton of action. I would have been very upset had they converted it into a action packed, swords & sorcery type series.


Give Homeland a try. You'll get more action, more suspense. A very well made show so far.

It's been on my list, but I don't have much time for TV these days. Hopefully showtime has some sort of streaming option like HBO that will let me watch at my leisure.

Jay3
05-01-2012, 04:50 PM
What do you find gratuitous? Im curious. Every sexual act and squirmy, cringe inducing scene has happened in real life I would bet. Gay sex? yes it has. Incest? yes it has. ****ed up **** happening in a brothel? yes it has. Murder and betrayal? yes it has. Demon shadow babies? errr...maybe not so much.

What outside of your own taste and opinion says that a show should only portray the happy and moral side of life. I understand that some people dont like watching sex and grisly death, it makes them uncomfortable. These need to realize that some people don't mind the realism it adds.

Like many others here have said.
If you don't like, fine, just dont watch it, and dont bother the people who enjoy it.

I would answer, but you're not genuinely interested. You kept going and repeated the "just don't watch it" tripe.

Jay3
05-01-2012, 04:52 PM
I feel like a real a-hole now. Have every episode recorded and my grandma came and visited me bout 2 weeks ago, I turned her onto it, we watched every episode in marathon style from the first to the thirteenth, and she was b****ing about all the sex and violence. I'd known it was in there but kind of forgot how much was in there till she was b****ing about it. Oh well.


Yeah, I've had to watch carefully who I recommend it to. I have a broad group of friends, all sorts -- soccer moms, older men, coworkers, etc. -- who I don't want to offend. Last week Littlefinger wiped visible, creamy spunk off the mouth of a whore and sent her over to kiss on a guy.

myMind
05-01-2012, 06:17 PM
I would answer, but you're not genuinely interested. You kept going and repeated the "just don't watch it" tripe.

Probably because it's good advice to give someone who takes issue with the graphic nature of the story. BTW, if I wasn't interested, I wouldn't have asked.

Jay3
05-01-2012, 06:34 PM
Probably because it's good advice to give someone who takes issue with the graphic nature of the story.

One day you'll develop a critical mind, and you'll learn it's okay to watch something and still have some critical thoughts about it. There's more categories between (1) love everything about it; and (2) don't watch it.

Old Dude
05-01-2012, 07:12 PM
... "The Mountain" is a straight evil dude that is probably the darkest character in the entire series, him or Roose Bolton's Bastard Son.

There are definitely a few characters who have no redeeming qualities at all. They tend to offset the vague grey types.

Taco John
05-02-2012, 01:30 AM
This book is blowing my mind... It's 1:30am and I'm sitting here elated cheering for Sandor Clegane. I've got to get some sleep, but how can I with all this adrenaline!

ARYA GOT NEEDLE BACK! SO AWESOME! I LOVE IT!

Taco John
05-02-2012, 05:00 PM
Storm of Swords is going to be a tough book to follow. I'm preparing myself for a let down with the next two books. I don't see any way this gets better until the final climax in book six. I'm going to look at the next two books as building up to that.

But man... Storm of Swords - excellent, excellent, excellent.

TheReverend
05-02-2012, 05:03 PM
Storm of Swords is going to be a tough book to follow. I'm preparing myself for a let down with the next two books. I don't see any way this gets better until the final climax in book six. I'm going to look at the next two books as building up to that.

But man... Storm of Swords - excellent, excellent, excellent.

I liked aFfC way more than most, but it certainly doesnt compete with SoS

Also... There will be no final climax in book 6, sir

Jay3
05-02-2012, 05:11 PM
I liked aFfC way more than most, but it certainly doesnt compete with SoS

Also... There will be no final climax in book 6, sir

It feels like about 11 books at this point -- he's going all "Wheel of Time" on us.

Houshyamama
05-02-2012, 05:13 PM
:)This thread is full of unmarked spoilers, not reading it anymore

TheReverend
05-02-2012, 05:27 PM
It feels like about 11 books at this point -- he's going all "Wheel of Time" on us.

I'm guessing 8 or 9 even though he CLAIMS 7.

Old Dude
05-02-2012, 05:51 PM
Storm of Swords is going to be a tough book to follow. I'm preparing myself for a let down with the next two books. I don't see any way this gets better until the final climax in book six. I'm going to look at the next two books as building up to that.

But man... Storm of Swords - excellent, excellent, excellent.

Most of the critics I've read agree that SoS is the book that really elevates this series into special territory.

You have one big advantage here, which is that you don't have to wait several years for books 4 and 5 to come out. Of course, who knows how long it will take for #6.

Fedaykin
05-02-2012, 07:49 PM
Storm of Swords is going to be a tough book to follow. I'm preparing myself for a let down with the next two books. I don't see any way this gets better until the final climax in book six. I'm going to look at the next two books as building up to that.

But man... Storm of Swords - excellent, excellent, excellent.

I found book 4 and 5 to be a let down in the first 1/3 of each, but once Martin get's the particular arcs moving they are excellent, though certainly not SoS level of epicness.

The problem with Book4&5 (really they are one book) is they are pretty much the lul between storms. The War of Five Kings pretty much burns out by the end of SoS and AFfC focuses on everyone in the seven kingdoms picking up the pieces and trying to put them back together. That's the meaning of the title -- literally crows feasting on the bodies of the dead after a battle.

Dance with Dragons is much better as it's dealing much less with the fallout of the wary, and by the time the timelines of 4&5 merge at the end things start picking up again.


One of the things that I find most interesting about a Feast for Crows is that we learn that Cersei is just as ineffective a leader as her late husband. Both were skilled (in different ways) in gaining the throne, but both are miserable failures at sitting it.

ZONA
05-03-2012, 02:37 AM
I agree it's much more of an ensemble show than almost everything else on TV, though I would say that several characters emerge as the main characters (both in the books and the series): Dany, Jon, Ned (until he dies) and then Tyrion. Arya could be, but her story is so disconnected from the rest it's hard to classify what she is.

Anyway, I didn't realize that's "soapy" but OK =) I figured you were going to say it was too melodramatic or something like that.

It's doing a good job of being true to the source material despite the radical differences needed to make it a TV series. It's a very character driven/cerebral series, with a lot of the "happenings" going on in the character's head (Tyrion's chapters are generally a riot to read). The books don't have a ton of action. I would have been very upset had they converted it into a action packed, swords & sorcery type series.



It's been on my list, but I don't have much time for TV these days. Hopefully showtime has some sort of streaming option like HBO that will let me watch at my leisure.

Yeah I wasn't expecting it to be an action packed type of series but it is none the less lacking in that area. And the few action scenes of late have been terrible. I mean, some 6'5 duck footed women kicks the ass of that so called "
one of the best swordsmen" in that army, cmon.


FYI - Homeland info:

Congratulations to Homeland, winner of two Golden Globes including Best Television Series - Drama, and Best Performance by an Actress for Television - Drama: Claire Danes.

Season 1 is On Demand right now - http://www.sho.com/sho/schedules/ondemand/series#/series/804/homeland

This is for sure a can't miss series. The acting and screen writing is as good as a featured film.

v2micca
05-03-2012, 04:45 AM
Yeah I wasn't expecting it to be an action packed type of series but it is none the less lacking in that area. And the few action scenes of late have been terrible. I mean, some 6'5 duck footed women kicks the ass of that so called "
one of the best swordsmen" in that army, cmon.


Brienne of Tarth is no slouch herself. And any fighting instructor will tell you, when you are facing an opponent who has 5 inches and 60 pounds on you and actually has a pretty decent clue of what they are doing in a fight, odds really aren't in your favor, no matter how good you are.

Ser Loras is very good. But Brienne is a Freak. Freak tends to trump very good.

BroncsRule
05-05-2012, 02:26 PM
Brienne of Tarth is no slouch herself. And any fighting instructor will tell you, when you are facing an opponent who has 5 inches and 60 pounds on you and actually has a pretty decent clue of what they are doing in a fight, odds really aren't in your favor, no matter how good you are.

Ser Loras is very good. But Brienne is a Freak. Freak tends to trump very good.

Also, longsword fighting just isn't very elegant. There's a reason they call it "hack 'n slash". Our modern sensibilities about sword fighting have been informed by 50+ years of Erol Flynn/musketeer style fencing and Star Wars light sabers. BTW, if you like accurate portrayals of period fighting, rent Ironclad.

BroncsRule
05-05-2012, 02:36 PM
It feels like about 11 books at this point -- he's going all "Wheel of Time" on us.

Yep - my fear is that he's going to "pull a Jordan" and die on us before he finishes.

IMHO, from reading his "not a blog" over the last couple 3 years, he's bored s#!tless with writing about Westros. He's nowhere near done and he's out of gas. But his incredibly high standards won't allow him to just mail it in.

Buckey Backer
05-06-2012, 07:37 AM
My wife got me into it and its an AWESOME series!!!!!!!

peacepipe
05-07-2012, 11:53 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/07/tv-redheads_n_1478075.html

gotta say I'm starting to have a thing for red heads.

lolcopter
05-07-2012, 12:18 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/07/tv-redheads_n_1478075.html

gotta say I'm starting to have a thing for red heads.

Her and melisandre are both babes

JLesSPE
05-07-2012, 12:54 PM
Her and melisandre are both babes

Melisandre has a jacked up face. And the whole giving birth to demon shadow babies thing

Heyneck
05-07-2012, 12:59 PM
Getting back to discussing the show, I find I'm starting to really get annoyed at some of the changes they have made in season 2. Replacing Jeyne Westerling with the Talisa character was a pretty lame move.

And of course there is still the Mago issue at play. According to George R. R. Martin, he is due to be a important re-occurring character in the upcoming Winds of Winter, but the show already killed him off in Season 1. I just wonder how they plan on back-tracking that one.

If you closely pay attention... you can tell Talisa is not telling the truth about who she really is. My guess is that she could really be Jeyne Westerling.

JLesSPE
05-07-2012, 01:06 PM
If you closely pay attention... you can tell Talisa is not telling the truth about who she really is. My guess is that she could really be Jeyne Westerling.

I thought about that...I don't remember the books going over Rob and Jeyne in detail before "Oh hey we're gettin hitched"

Fedaykin
05-07-2012, 01:07 PM
If you closely pay attention... you can tell Talisa is not telling the truth about who she really is. My guess is that she could really be Jeyne Westerling.

The promotional info I've seen talks about Jeyne being cast, so either you are right and/or Talisa is just there to help the viewer understand that Robb is promised to a Frey and that not following through with that commitment is not a good thing for Robb.

Heyneck
05-07-2012, 01:08 PM
I thought about that...I don't remember the books going over Rob and Jeyne in detail before "Oh hey we're gettin hitched"

Yup... they are just trying to drama it up a notch.

Heyneck
05-07-2012, 01:13 PM
The promotional info I've seen talks about Jeyne being cast, so either you are right and/or Talisa is just there to help the viewer understand that Robb is promised to a Frey and that not following through with that commitment is not a good thing for Robb.

Could be... but Kat's intervention yesterday showed that Talisa was keeping her real name under wraps.

McDman
05-07-2012, 01:23 PM
Maybe it's just me but Daenerys' story line bores the hell out of me. It did in the books and it does so even more in the show.

Fedaykin
05-07-2012, 01:27 PM
Maybe it's just me but Daenerys' story line bores the hell out of me. It did in the books and it does so even more in the show.


Yeah, Martin dropped the ball when the planned 3 books became 6-8. He had to figure out how to keep Dany away from Westeros until whatever he has planned for the climax occurs.

I've always assumed Dany and the White Walkers would invade at about the same time, and she would end up defending the seven kingdoms instead of conquering it.

v2micca
05-08-2012, 06:32 AM
Maybe it's just me but Daenerys' story line bores the hell out of me. It did in the books and it does so even more in the show.

I find her story easier to tolerate in the series, possibly due to the large amount of skin often visible, but yeah, I find her and Jon Snow's arcs to be the least compelling over all as they tend to be so far removed from the rest of the political wranglings in Westeros. This all changes eventually, slogging through the Daenerys and Jon Snow chapters in book two were just a chore.

supermanhr9
05-08-2012, 06:59 AM
I agree. However Jon Snow's story starts picking up a lot faster than little Dany. They did such a great job casting all these characters!

s0phr0syne
05-14-2012, 02:55 PM
Bump for new Ep. Not certain what to make of the end...the real deal or just impostor corpses?

underrated29
05-14-2012, 03:11 PM
Bump for new Ep. Not certain what to make of the end...the real deal or just impostor corpses?

Someone else asked this on another board. But we cant answer. I would say go with what your gut is telling you.


This episode slightly let me down in the fact that I was expecting khaleesi to go to the undying in this episode...Instead they just built it up that much more. Same with John snows part and with Tryion and the impending battle.



SPOILER_KINDA SORTA- If you havent read the books then maybe dont read this.I think with the build up from khaleesi and john and tyrion that -Theon will fade out now I think and jaime and brienne will pick up in place. Aryas part will slowly fade out too and then the remaining of the season will pick up with the battle of wildfire and denaryus and then finish with bran and robb and jaime.

Old Dude
05-14-2012, 03:30 PM
Bump for new Ep. Not certain what to make of the end...the real deal or just impostor corpses?

People reading the books were left with exactly the same question.

If this was an ordinary story, you could assume (99% of the time) that they were imposters. But with Martin's willingness to kill off anyone, anytime in any way he likes ... you just can't count on anything. :~ohyah!:

Archer81
05-14-2012, 03:34 PM
I feel bad for the fools in the tower of the undying. Poor, poor fools.

:Broncos:

TheReverend
05-14-2012, 03:51 PM
I feel bad for the fools in the tower of the undying. Poor, poor fools.

:Broncos:

^ Mixing Tower of Joy and House of Undying

Fedaykin
05-14-2012, 03:53 PM
I'm getting more and more worried they are going to significantly change the climax at King's landing. So far only some of the things that should have been hinted at as in the books have been hinted about.

They might have to change it for SFX budget reasons.

What I mean is:

Tyrion should have already reassigned all the forges to start building chain links by now.

TheReverend
05-14-2012, 03:55 PM
I'm getting more and more worried they are going to significantly change the climax at King's landing. So far only some of the things that should have been hinted at as in the books have been hinted about.

They might have to change it for SFX budget reasons.

What I mean is:


The chain started VERY early in the books. I'm pretty certain they're just skipping that part but will still have the trap by setting the river on fire

Archer81
05-14-2012, 04:31 PM
^ Mixing Tower of Joy and House of Undying


True.

:Broncos:

Fedaykin
05-14-2012, 04:34 PM
The chain started VERY early in the books. I'm pretty certain they're just skipping that part but will still have the trap by setting the river on fire


If you're right that they'll skip the chain, it'll be interesting to see how they stage the battle as the chain was integral in trapping Stannis's fleet on the part of the river set aflame by wildfire.

Also I wonder how they handle Davos's arc after the BotB without the chain/pileup of ships there to help him survive/get stranded.

myMind
05-14-2012, 04:34 PM
^ Mixing Tower of Joy and House of Undying

That actually just might work. I hope they do.

cutthemdown
05-14-2012, 05:09 PM
I didn't like this last episode. Way too much time last 2 episodes with Snow and the girl walking around in the frozen North. All we learned from that could have been done in one 5 minute segment. BORING!

So there is only 1 episode left? Totally crap when does Walking Dead start!

Dutch
05-14-2012, 05:53 PM
I didn't like this last episode. Way too much time last 2 episodes with Snow and the girl walking around in the frozen North. All we learned from that could have been done in one 5 minute segment. BORING!

So there is only 1 episode left? Totally crap when does Walking Dead start!

3 episodes left. Plenty of time for a roaring finish to season 2, and a setup for season 3.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
05-14-2012, 06:53 PM
I enjoyed the last episode, thought it was one of the better ones as of late. I'm pretty loyal to the vision of the books, but I thought some of the liberties the show has taken as of late are excellent improvements in terms of more interesting story arcs. There's still far too much that is left out to appease me, but I find the shows interesting to watch, rather than infuriating, because I'm not entirely sure what will happen next. However, this series does not even remotely approach the overall magnificance of the novels due to so much material and back story omitted. And they really need to stop making both Littlefinger and Jon Snow look like bumbling doofuses.

Doggcow
05-14-2012, 09:43 PM
I didn't like this last episode. Way too much time last 2 episodes with Snow and the girl walking around in the frozen North. All we learned from that could have been done in one 5 minute segment. BORING!

So there is only 1 episode left? Totally crap when does Walking Dead start!

I feel like they condense a lot of good plot into single episodes, and then spread a lot out in others. It's poorly transitioning, imo.

cutthemdown
05-15-2012, 01:54 AM
I feel like they condense a lot of good plot into single episodes, and then spread a lot out in others. It's poorly transitioning, imo.

didn't read the books but i hear people say wow how will they fit everything in? Then some epsisodes seem drawn out like you said. Or some story line do. . Glad there is more episodes left then i thought.

Looking forward to house of the undying to see what happened to the dragons. That and i can't wait for that punk Greyjoy to get his. I am hoping he does.

tnedator
05-15-2012, 05:00 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/07/tv-redheads_n_1478075.html

gotta say I'm starting to have a thing for red heads.

I wouldn't mind being captured by a Wildling like that -- stones and bone and all....

Dutch
05-15-2012, 05:42 AM
I wouldn't mind being captured by a Wildling like that -- stones and bone and all....

Rose Leslie. I can't believe BroncoSteven hasn't been on here raving about her as she was in Downton Abbey. She could be my wife's sister at that age, although my wife is a little taller. Same color hair and eyes, though. Spot on.

Broncos_OTM
05-15-2012, 06:27 AM
can we get a spoiler thread? that way i don't have to pain myself looking it up on my phone. thanks in advance

El Guapo
05-15-2012, 08:12 AM
"spoiler tags" have recently been implemented on the forum, so as long as people use them you shouldn't have a problem.

El Guapo
05-15-2012, 08:14 AM
N/m, I see what you are saying. There are a couple potential options to your dilemma; 1) maybe Tapatalk will help (?), 2) hit quote on the spoiler post and it'll quickly show you what's within the spoiler tags.

Dutch
05-15-2012, 10:47 AM
N/m, I see what you are saying. There are a couple potential options to your dilemma; 1) maybe Tapatalk will help (?), 2) hit quote on the spoiler post and it'll quickly show you what's within the spoiler tags.

nice catch, El G

El Guapo
05-15-2012, 04:31 PM
Edit:

Fixed. Thanks mods.

TheReverend
05-15-2012, 04:56 PM
^Somehow I suspect that the above is spam. Dont click!

...but I AM feeling like a bad dirty girl!

Taco John
05-18-2012, 05:10 PM
So I loved Feast for Crows, but I can understand why people felt let down by it. I didn't care for the Brienne chapters - they were long and arduous, but I loved the Cersei story line and watching her botch everything up while fancying herself Tywinn's true heir.

It's amazing to me how I've gone from hating Jamie Lannister to absolutely loving him. I'm 1/3 the way through Dance with Dragons, and am bummed out that there isn't much on Jamie's storyline yet. I really like his POV chapters.

I can see where people who read all the way through the books can get fatigue. This world sucks you in and takes a lot from you while you're there. I dream these books, and am not going to know the world once they're not part of it anymore. I'm already sad that I'm coming to the end of what's written, but at the same time I'm looking forward to getting my life back.

El Guapo
05-18-2012, 07:32 PM
****ING use the spoiler tags. Im reading that book right now, I dont need your review unexpectedly.

Taco John
05-18-2012, 07:43 PM
Not much of a spoiler there. But I x'ed out what might be considered a spoiler.

Dutch
05-18-2012, 08:21 PM
Not much of a spoiler there. But I x'ed out what might be considered a spoiler.

You might consider getting rid of the original post that you didn't edit (ie....the spoiler is still sitting there, Bro'). You made a duplicate post and hid the spoiler in that one.:wave:

Castle
05-18-2012, 08:36 PM
Love the show, love the Broncos, but I'm a crazy UK British guy

underrated29
05-18-2012, 10:13 PM
Love the show, love the Broncos, but I'm a crazy UK British guy




How come the entire cast is all crazy UK british people. Are Brits just that much more awesome with swords and such that we all need to pay our respects?

By the way they have cast this show, this seems true. But I was a bit surprised


I also watched some british spy comedy with jamie lannister as a bad hit man, and the guy from your highness with the metal hand as the Baker...it was funny.

Archer81
05-18-2012, 10:38 PM
How come the entire cast is all crazy UK british people. Are Brits just that much more awesome with swords and such that we all need to pay our respects?

By the way they have cast this show, this seems true. But I was a bit surprised


I also watched some british spy comedy with jamie lannister as a bad hit man, and the guy from your highness with the metal hand as the Baker...it was funny.


Same reason whenever you have movies or shows about Rome, Englishmen are playing the Romans...unless its a bad Roman, in which case they get an American.

Latent anti-Americanism. Totally.

:Broncos:

myMind
05-18-2012, 10:51 PM
How come the entire cast is all crazy UK british people. Are Brits just that much more awesome with swords and such that we all need to pay our respects?

By the way they have cast this show, this seems true. But I was a bit surprised


I also watched some british spy comedy with jamie lannister as a bad hit man, and the guy from your highness with the metal hand as the Baker...it was funny.

They film in the UK and Europe and are therefore contractually obligated to hire a cast almost exclusively from the native actor talent pool. It works quite well IMO. Want to see something cool??? Watch the Kingdom of Heaven (http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7033813/Kingdom_of_Heaven_(2005)_Directors_Cut_720p_BrRip_-_1.1GB_-_YIFY) directors cut and count how many actors you recognize from HBO epics and other tv shows (Rome, GoT, etc.)

Heres a hint...you might need two hands.

Dutch
05-19-2012, 08:20 PM
They film in the UK and Europe and are therefore contractually obligated to hire a cast almost exclusively from the native actor talent pool. It works quite well IMO. Want to see something cool??? Watch the Kingdom of Heaven (http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7033813/Kingdom_of_Heaven_(2005)_Directors_Cut_720p_BrRip_-_1.1GB_-_YIFY) directors cut and count how many actors you recognize from HBO epics and other tv shows (Rome, GoT, etc.)

Heres a hint...you might need two hands.

Big fan of the director's cut of KoH, changed the whole movie for me. Wasn't pleased at all with the theatrical version.

v2micca
05-21-2012, 05:52 AM
It's amazing to me how I've gone from hating Jamie Lannister to absolutely loving him. I'm 1/3 the way through Dance with Dragons, and am bummed out that there isn't much on Jamie's storyline yet. I really like his POV chapters.



I remember feeling the exact same way about Jamie. It really is remarkable how when I started reading the series I pretty much pegged Jaime as one of the main villains in the first book, but was flat out rooting for him big time by the end of the third. I'm very happy that they managed to get Nikolaj Coster-Waldau to play his role. He perfectly nails the sleazy charm that was absolutely necessary to make this character work.

s0phr0syne
05-22-2012, 04:43 PM
New Week, New Bump.

Thought the episode was overall solid, but still building to the crescendo.

Somehow, the scene between Cersei and Tyrion felt out-of-order in relation to last week's episode where they shared what appeared to be a connection. Still, it was an interesting development and curious to see how Tyrion figures out a way to get Rose (I think that's her name) off the hook.

TheReverend
05-23-2012, 03:47 AM
So I loved Feast for Crows, but I can understand why people felt let down by it. I didn't care for the Brienne chapters - they were long and arduous, but I loved the Cersei story line and watching her botch everything up while fancying herself Tywinn's true heir.

It's amazing to me how I've gone from hating Jamie Lannister to absolutely loving him. I'm 1/3 the way through Dance with Dragons, and am bummed out that there isn't much on Jamie's storyline yet. I really like his POV chapters.

I can see where people who read all the way through the books can get fatigue. This world sucks you in and takes a lot from you while you're there. I dream these books, and am not going to know the world once they're not part of it anymore. I'm already sad that I'm coming to the end of what's written, but at the same time I'm looking forward to getting my life back.

That's because the first part of Dance is during the same timeline as aFfC.

kappys
05-23-2012, 05:52 AM
New Week, New Bump.

Thought the episode was overall solid, but still building to the crescendo.

Somehow, the scene between Cersei and Tyrion felt out-of-order in relation to last week's episode where they shared what appeared to be a connection. Still, it was an interesting development and curious to see how Tyrion figures out a way to get Rose (I think that's her name) off the hook.

I haven't read the books but I thought it still worked. It was a tender moment and at the end Tyrion wasn't able to comfort Cersei when she started crying - too much animosity between them over the years.

TonyR
05-23-2012, 06:13 AM
New Week, New Bump.

Thought the episode was overall solid, but still building to the crescendo.

Somehow, the scene between Cersei and Tyrion felt out-of-order in relation to last week's episode where they shared what appeared to be a connection. Still, it was an interesting development and curious to see how Tyrion figures out a way to get Rose (I think that's her name) off the hook.

I had a small problem with how Jaqen H'ghar could have possibly killed all those guards in such close proximity. He would have needed help. But that's being picky.

I'm also annoyed as hell that Catelyn would be stupid enough to let Jamie Lannister go like that!

We should consider having separate threads for the book readers and the show watchers.

v2micca
05-23-2012, 06:37 AM
I had a small problem with how Jaqen H'ghar could have possibly killed all those guards in such close proximity. He would have needed help. But that's being picky.

I'm also annoyed as hell that Catelyn would be stupid enough to let Jamie Lannister go like that!

We should consider having separate threads for the book readers and the show watchers.

Having read the book, the entire plotline with Jaqen H'ghar and Aria has been a little bit of a let down for me. Plus, there are some very important plot points that the TV series has yet to resolve during her time at Harenhall. Unfortunately, given the direction they have taken, I can only imagine that when those plot points are addressed it will be in a less than satisfactory manner.

Really not enjoying the liberties they are taking with adapting the series this season. Every change made feels vastly inferior to the original material and really feels incongruous with the more faithfully interpreted scenes. Still pissed about the Jeyne Westerling swap.

JLesSPE
05-23-2012, 06:47 AM
Having read the book, the entire plotline with Jaqen H'ghar and Aria has been a little bit of a let down for me. Plus, there are some very important plot points that the TV series has yet to resolve during her time at Harenhall. Unfortunately, given the direction they have taken, I can only imagine that when those plot points are addressed it will be in a less than satisfactory manner.

Really not enjoying the liberties they are taking with adapting the series this season. Every change made feels vastly inferior to the original material and really feels incongruous with the more faithfully interpreted scenes. Still pissed about the Jeyne Westerling swap.

How are they going to get Arrya to the faceless men? Doesn't she have to have the coin and the phrase and all that to get on the boat to Braavos? I was looking forward to seeing Jaqen change his face too....totally disappointed by that. I do like the Arrya/Tywin interaction though. It wasn't accurate but it was interesting. And at least they addressed why she didn't have Jaqen kill Tywin. I don't remember that being evident in the book.