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epicSocialism4tw
10-27-2007, 02:31 AM
This guy's voice had the power to stop 13-year old girls in mid-chatter. Now there's some power for ya.

One of the best rock vocalists ever.

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epicSocialism4tw
10-27-2007, 02:57 AM
Here's one for Hogan:
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alkemical
10-27-2007, 08:42 AM
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-27-2007, 06:33 PM
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alkemical
10-30-2007, 12:08 AM
harry nilsson - (from the movie "the point")

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(I thought i read he was one of lennon's fav artists)

alkemical
10-30-2007, 12:24 AM
man i have to buy some of nilsson's stuff. He is/was amazing.

Hogan11
10-30-2007, 02:30 AM
Here's one for Hogan:
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Love Sam Cooke...I'm giving NOLA another year or so before I return, but I do miss it.

Morphine was a very cool band as well....both good calls :thumbs:

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-30-2007, 07:14 AM
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Hogan11
10-31-2007, 05:24 AM
One for the Zepplin fans on the board:
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alkemical
10-31-2007, 05:49 PM
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BroncoInferno
10-31-2007, 07:27 PM
The greatest rock n roll band of the 80s, The Replacements:

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Their infamous appearance on SNL:

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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-02-2007, 03:13 AM
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Hogan11
11-06-2007, 01:40 AM
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REB
11-06-2007, 05:20 PM
ZZ Tops Greatest Hits

Hogan11
11-08-2007, 07:14 AM
Last of the JJ songs....Brilliant, genius song, very bad video
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-12-2007, 07:03 PM
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BizzyBone7
11-14-2007, 04:52 PM
Anyone here like Roxette?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-22-2007, 04:48 AM
http://www.johnhumphrey.com/scott_live_flash/scott_web_vid.html

Hogan11
11-28-2007, 05:51 AM
Check it out, another Jon Spencer freakout on TV.
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Forget the cowbell...we need more theremin!

alkemical
11-28-2007, 01:12 PM
damn, can i build one of those things?!

alkemical
11-28-2007, 04:01 PM
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name this tune

Broncochica
11-28-2007, 04:14 PM
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name this tune

Hey Ya!! :thumbs:

Broncochica
11-28-2007, 04:17 PM
This guy's voice had the power to stop 13-year old girls in mid-chatter. Now there's some power for ya.

One of the best rock vocalists ever.

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I agree, one of my favorite vocalist and probably the best love song ever written. There will never be another Roy Orbinson.

Broncochica
11-28-2007, 04:20 PM
Anyone here like Roxette?

I do!! Some of my favorites " Spending My Time" and "Listen To Your Heart" :yep:

epicSocialism4tw
11-28-2007, 04:21 PM
Check it out, another Jon Spencer freakout on TV.
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Forget the cowbell...we need more theremin!


I loves me some theremin. I'm diggin those good vibrations.

BroncoInferno
11-28-2007, 07:31 PM
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-28-2007, 08:54 PM
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REB
12-01-2007, 08:02 PM
Rod Stewart-'Sing It Again Rod'

Hogan11
12-03-2007, 04:34 AM
Caught The Gore Gore Girls last Saturday night, they were great.

Anyone else "Get The Gore"?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-03-2007, 05:32 AM
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-06-2007, 12:58 PM
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Hogan11
12-07-2007, 12:01 PM
I deleted the other one of the Girls because this one is much better
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-08-2007, 04:36 AM
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Hogan11
12-08-2007, 05:23 PM
Gore Gore Girls - "Get The Gore"
Gore Gore Girls - "Strange Girls" (I got both of them at the show...they blew me away)
Jon Spencer Blues Explosion - "Jukebox Explosion"
KT Tunstall - "Drastic Fantastic"
The Hives - "The Black And White Album"

alkemical
12-09-2007, 01:16 PM
I like the hives, they really surprised me.

Hogan11
12-09-2007, 10:54 PM
I like the hives, they really surprised me.

You should check out The Cynics new CD...that's really solid.

Gotta love garage rock...it never gets old.

alkemical
12-10-2007, 12:27 AM
Will Do.

I will soon have stuff of mi band posted. We are re working it. I'm soon getting upgrading my kit - and we just bought some rack mounted equipment. It's really helping out. But i am going to post some RAW 1st take stuff. It sounds really rough - but some of it is my fav. stuff to listen too.

REB
12-10-2007, 10:09 PM
Figured this was a good place to put this.

I came across this site and thought it was pretty cool. You double click on any year from 1965 to present and it will show some top hits and bands of that year and will play many of them.


http://www.yamelo.com/

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-12-2007, 03:17 AM
http://www.carlverheyen.com/Music/slingshot.jpg

http://www.carlverheyen.com/Music/Slingshot/carriedwest.mp3

Bronx33
12-12-2007, 02:15 PM
Savoy brown (blue matter)

epicSocialism4tw
12-12-2007, 02:26 PM
Secret Machines

alkemical
12-12-2007, 04:34 PM
Lots of the black keys

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-14-2007, 06:34 AM
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alkemical
12-16-2007, 12:41 PM
http://www.avclub.com/content/feature/the_worst_band_names_of_07/1

worst band names of '07

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-16-2007, 10:44 PM
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-19-2007, 05:02 AM
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Bronx33
12-22-2007, 10:34 AM
Pantera (Far Bey)

Los Broncos
12-22-2007, 01:20 PM
James Harman - Mo' natkins please

Son House - Walking blues

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-24-2007, 06:48 AM
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Hogan11
12-27-2007, 06:25 AM
My very favorite female pop artist....KT Tunstall.
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-27-2007, 10:05 PM
Rock off!

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BroncoBuff
12-27-2007, 10:25 PM
All you Pixies fans here ... I just learned that one of the two cute chick sisters in The Breeders was a foundng member of The Pixies. How about that?

Cannonball is more art than music I think ... one of the great songs ever in my view. And that viewpoint makes me realize exactly why I find this thread so awkward and difficult: I am more a fan of SONGS than artists. Today I was listening to one mp3 player file that includes: Warm Ways, Down in the River to Pray, She's a Devil, Please Please Please, It's a Laugh and Aces. I LOVE EVERY ONE of those songs (Christine McVie's Warm Ways is intoxicaing). But I have no particular interest in rushing out for more Fleetwood Mac, Allison Krause, Suzy Bogguss, BTO or even James Brown or Hall & Oates.

Methinks this 21st century is a Song-by-Song world, fellas ...

BroncoBuff
12-27-2007, 10:29 PM
(Although the same file also included Wanton Song, Still the One and Aeroplane ... and I admittedly do look for more Zeppelin, Twain/Lange and Chili Peppers wherever I can find them)

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-27-2007, 10:31 PM
Master Exploder!

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alkemical
12-28-2007, 04:37 PM
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Hogan11
12-28-2007, 09:49 PM
The Beat Farmers....In Rememberance of Country Dick Montana (R.I.P.)

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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-29-2007, 09:21 AM
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gunns
12-29-2007, 09:56 AM
Al Green's Greatest Hits

epicSocialism4tw
12-30-2007, 02:18 PM
All you Pixies fans here ... I just learned that one of the two cute chick sisters in The Breeders was a foundng member of The Pixies. How about that?

Cannonball is more art than music I think ... one of the great songs ever in my view. And that viewpoint makes me realize exactly why I find this thread so awkward and difficult: I am more a fan of SONGS than artists. Today I was listening to one mp3 player file that includes: Warm Ways, Down in the River to Pray, She's a Devil, Please Please Please, It's a Laugh and Aces. I LOVE EVERY ONE of those songs (Christine McVie's Warm Ways is intoxicaing). But I have no particular interest in rushing out for more Fleetwood Mac, Allison Krause, Suzy Bogguss, BTO or even James Brown or Hall & Oates.

Methinks this 21st century is a Song-by-Song world, fellas ...

Yes, that's Kim Deal. If you need to know any other trivia about the Pixies, I'm your Huckleberry.

If you like the Breeders, I'll be in the studio at the end of the summer with one of their producers and engineers recording an album. I'll send you a PM when we release it.

Los Broncos
12-31-2007, 03:57 AM
A little Vince Gill, Shenandoah.

BroncoInferno
12-31-2007, 09:43 AM
Yes, that's Kim Deal. If you need to know any other trivia about the Pixies, I'm your Huckleberry.

If you like the Breeders, I'll be in the studio at the end of the summer with one of their producers and engineers recording an album. I'll send you a PM when we release it.

That's pretty cool, llama. Did your band get signed to a label?

epicSocialism4tw
12-31-2007, 06:09 PM
That's pretty cool, llama. Did your band get signed to a label?

No. We are working on our first record in this group, and will be trying to do it Radiohead style out of the gate. I think that the industry is in such a state that you really dont need to use those old investors to get your product on the market. We raised the capital ourselves to pay for the album, and will also promote it on our own dollar.

I think that you would like the tunes though, from what I remember about your taste I think that it would be up your alley. We should release the album this fall.

BroncoInferno
12-31-2007, 06:48 PM
No. We are working on our first record in this group, and will be trying to do it Radiohead style out of the gate. I think that the industry is in such a state that you really dont need to use those old investors to get your product on the market. We raised the capital ourselves to pay for the album, and will also promote it on our own dollar.

I think that you would like the tunes though, from what I remember about your taste I think that it would be up your alley. We should release the album this fall.

Sounds good, man. You are right about the industry; I have a couple of friends in bands who went the self-reliant route with solid results. Let me know when your material is available to the public.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-02-2008, 08:30 AM
Letterman brings the rock!

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oubronco
01-02-2008, 11:39 AM
Master Exploder!

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AWESOME GUITARS

Bronx33
01-02-2008, 08:46 PM
I highly recommend this

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51KgR4BaXmL._SS500_.jpg

cutthemdown
01-02-2008, 09:36 PM
I don't use cds anymore. Everythings digital. All my cds are stored away in a closet now.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-02-2008, 09:51 PM
I don't use cds anymore. Everythings digital. All my cds are stored away in a closet now.

CDs are digital.

BroncoInferno
01-03-2008, 12:49 AM
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Hogan11
01-03-2008, 01:42 AM
I really miss the Jesus and Mary Chain...loved that stuff

Hey Inferno, ever see the footage of the riots they caused? Check it out

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It's a little herky jerky, but still good.

Hogan11
01-03-2008, 01:49 AM
More Jesus and Mary Chain...Just Like Honey
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-03-2008, 02:22 AM
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Hogan11
01-03-2008, 02:29 AM
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-05-2008, 03:41 AM
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Hogan11
01-05-2008, 08:01 AM
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Bronx33
01-05-2008, 01:21 PM
Anybody try pandora radio? http://www.pandora.com/

BroncoInferno
01-05-2008, 11:21 PM
I really miss the Jesus and Mary Chain...loved that stuff

Hey Inferno, ever see the footage of the riots they caused? Check it out

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It's a little herky jerky, but still good.

No, I had not seen any of that before. Thanks for posting it. If you visit their myspace page, they've got some demos/works in progress posted, so we may get a new album in the near future. Nothing can top Psychocandy though...one of my all-time favorite albums.

BroncoBuff
01-07-2008, 06:11 AM
You Gotta See This ...

My idol Jimmy Page playing in a skiffle band, apparently at age 12. Stay tuned for the interview after the song ... his first goal was to cure cancer:
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-07-2008, 08:08 PM
You Gotta See This ...

My idol Jimmy Page playing in a skiffle band, apparently at age 12. Stay tuned for the interview after the song ... his first goal was to cure cancer:


Saw that one. :thumbsup:

BTW, footage from the reunion concert is already up on Youtube - check it out.

alkemical
01-07-2008, 09:37 PM
I've been listening to allot of jane's addiction

epicSocialism4tw
01-07-2008, 10:35 PM
I spinning some Cake.

If you like intelligent, polished pop-rock music with more hooks than a trot line, then check out some Cake.

alkemical
01-07-2008, 10:40 PM
yeah i have 4 of their albums -

Hogan11
01-08-2008, 01:21 AM
No, I had not seen any of that before. Thanks for posting it. If you visit their myspace page, they've got some demos/works in progress posted, so we may get a new album in the near future. Nothing can top Psychocandy though...one of my all-time favorite albums.

It's a classic no doubt....but for me personally, my fave is Honey's Dead

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2008, 09:43 PM
I'm not sure if I have put this up on this thread or not, but here's something that a few of you might like.

The National - Fake Empire
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-09-2008, 08:54 AM
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Hogan11
01-09-2008, 10:02 AM
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Kid A
01-09-2008, 05:22 PM
I'm not sure if I have put this up on this thread or not, but here's something that a few of you might like.

The National - Fake Empire


That was one of my favorites from the past year.

Anyone here listen to Clinic? This is one of my all-time favorite songs by them.

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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-09-2008, 08:20 PM
This one's for Buff: ;)

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BroncoInferno
01-09-2008, 11:43 PM
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Hogan11
01-10-2008, 01:58 AM
This one's for Buff: ;)

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Man.....I HATED Saga.....absolutely HATED them. I remember when MTV played this video every hour on the hour in 1982 along with other horrible vids that have scarred me for life by one off vid pop bands.....like The Flirts and whatnot. Blecch

BroncoInferno
01-10-2008, 02:00 AM
Man.....I HATED Saga.....absolutely HATED them. I remember when MTV played this video every hour on the hour in 1982 along with other horrible vids that have scarred me for life by one off vid pop bands.....like The Flirts and whatnot. Blecch

Agreed. The mustache on the drummer alone is enough to make one hurl.

BroncoBuff
01-10-2008, 12:12 PM
Well, the video is crap of course (thanks though LABF - it's fun to see). But the song holds up damned well after 25 years. And the C-parts - the instrumental parts with guitar and keyboard stops, going up and down (starting at 2:09 and hitting the ceiling at 2:36) - slays me dead. It resolves back to the vocal at 2:58 with hyper-precison-metal-perfection too ... please .... someone .... call 911 ... for me!!!!

But I know nothing about Saga really ... thought they were a 1-hit wonder.

BroncoBuff
01-10-2008, 12:36 PM
I remember when MTV played this video every hour on the hour in 1982 along with other horrible vids that have scarred me for life by one off vid pop bands.....like The Flirts and whatnot. Blecch
Yup ... I was reminiscing about that to LABF. And speaking of "scars," how about the video Icehouse by Icehouse from the album Icehouse? :~ohyah!:


Btw - I've been dredging up lots of this early-mid 80s stuff the past few days. Other tunes that (imho) hold up well - stand the test of time - include Erasure's 'Send Me an Angel', Donny Iris' 'Ah Leah!', Flock of Seagulls' 'Wishing', and a couple of those Men at Work numbers. Human League songs were not what I remembered, neither was Asia's 'Heat of the Moment.' And, oddly enough, neither is Bowie's 'China Girl.' (BTW- If anybody has mp3 of the LIVE versions of Danzig's 'Mother' or the Floaters' 'Float On' ... lemme know.)

alkemical
01-10-2008, 12:38 PM
I have a love for pantera

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-10-2008, 09:43 PM
Btw - I've been dredging up lots of this early-mid 80s stuff the past few days. Other tunes that (imho) hold up well - stand the test of time - include....

The 80s were a huge disappointment for me as far as popular music was concerned.

When I reflect on the 80s, I can name only two bands that were formed during that decade that I really got excited about:

1) Night Ranger - Great songs, (I'm not talking about "Sister Christian" - dig deeper) great melodies, great hooks, two outstanding lead vocalists, and the jaw-dropping (at that time, anyway) guitar duo of Brad Gillis and Jeff Watson. When I first heard Gillis and Watson playing on that 1982 MTV video "Don't Tell Me You Love Me," my first reaction was "Eddie Van Who?"
Granted, the band did fall victim to the schmaltzy ballad syndrome later on.

2) Scandal - IMO, Patty Smyth was one of the greatest rock vocalists of all time. When David Lee Roth left Van Halen, Patty was Eddie's first choice for his replacement, so that should say something about her vocal prowess.

I couldn't stand the punk, wave, and hairdo metal stuff (just my personal tastes - don't flame me.) ;)

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-11-2008, 10:29 AM
This is badass!

Carl Verheyen and Steve Bailey throwin' down:

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Hogan11
01-11-2008, 11:04 AM
The 1980's? I'll show you something great from the 1980's

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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-12-2008, 04:11 AM
The 1980's? I'll show you something great from the 1980's

This girl had the pipes! :~ohyah!:

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Hogan11
01-12-2008, 08:31 AM
This girl had the pipes! :~ohyah!:

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But her material was horrid. Pat Benatar also had pipes...the great lesson of all that is having pipes isn't everything....in fact, most times it's really nonessential.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-12-2008, 09:05 AM
But her material was horrid

???

I guess it's just a matter of personal taste - I thought most of her songs were great.

Of course, with a voice like hers, I could probably listen to her sing "Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star" and still get goose bumps! :thumbs:


Pat Benatar also had pipes...the great lesson of all that is having pipes isn't everything....in fact, most times it's really nonessential.

Tell that to this band and its fans:

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BroncoBuff
01-12-2008, 09:28 AM
Steve Perry is so gay.

Pipes, yeah, but what a d!ck. He chased every guy but Schon outta that band, one at a time - Aynsley Dunbar, Gregg Rolie, Ross Valory. First album 'Infinity' is great, bu as he got his claws into them, the music got worse ... and worse ... and worse ... and worse .... and worse ....

Funny part is - after Perry had health problems and left the band - they found a guy whose voice is a carbon copy. Go figure.

Hogan11
01-12-2008, 12:59 PM
Steve Perry is so gay.

Pipes, yeah, but what a d!ck. He chased every guy but Schon outta that band, one at a time - Aynsley Dunbar, Gregg Rolie, Ross Valory. First album 'Infinity' is great, bu as he got his claws into them, the music got worse ... and worse ... and worse ... and worse .... and worse ....

Funny part is - after Perry had health problems and left the band - they found a guy whose voice is a carbon copy. Go figure.

That's because, at the end of the day, it appears that singers ripping off the vocal stylings of Sam Cooke are a dime a dozen.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-13-2008, 05:49 AM
???

What does all this tabloid crap have to do with the discussion?

Hogan said having pipes was non-essential.

I say it depends: Non-essential if you're Bob Dylan, but definitely essential if you want to be the lead singer for Journey (a band that was circling the drain before Steve Perry came along and saved it from extinction.)

BroncoBuff
01-13-2008, 07:18 AM
Well ... YOU brought up Journey.

But ok, back to the topic. I love chicks with pipes, Smyth, Benatar, kd lang, Ann Wilson (Kay Starr, Doris Day, Streisand). But a chick can be an incredible artist (or as I prefer to look at it - have an incredible song) even with just an average voice:



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BroncoBuff
01-13-2008, 07:29 AM
This Mutt Lange number is as good a song as any song I have ever ever heard (pardon the video, I needed this song version):


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This is a great song - great Irish chick singer, but with nominal pipes - Hariett Wheeler of the Sundays:

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So there.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-13-2008, 10:22 AM
Well ... YOU brought up Journey.

I brought up Journey to make my point in response to Hogan's statement that having a great voice was not essential.

I could have used another band as an example.

At any rate, the question of whether having a great voice is essential or not obviously depends on considerations like the style of music you play, the area of music in which you make your living, the audience you're trying to reach, etc.

But a chick can be an incredible artist (or as I prefer to look at it - have an incredible song) even with just an average voice:

That's true (insofar as what you deem "incredible" is something other than vocal ability, e.g., the songwriting, the lyrics, the performance, the arrangement, or whatever.)

Conversely, a singer with an incredible voice can give you chills when singing a simple or average tune.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-13-2008, 10:26 AM
This is a great song - great Irish chick singer, but with nominal pipes - Hariett Wheeler of the Sundays:

So there.

:)

"Great" is utterly subjective when you're talking about music (especially pop music) wouldn't you agree?

Hogan11
01-13-2008, 11:44 AM
Some of my favorite female vocalists (pop or otherwise) include the likes of KT Tunstall, Michelle Branch, Sarah McLachlan, Dido, Lisa Loeb, The Indigo Girls, Liz Phair, Chrissy Hynde etc.

There are some very fine "pipes" in that group...McLachlan especially, but (sticking with Sarah as an example) she's often hindered by the fact that her material is more often than not, medicore. OTOH, KT Tunstall's material has been very good to great overall, but she has a voice that probably couldn't be considered as great.....but it has a certain smokey sexiness to it like that of a Chrissy Hynde which I find much more charming and warm than someone with operetic range.

In any event, I still feel that having pipes is non-essential. I'll bring up Pat Benatar again as an example. Incredible range and all that...but her records were terrible. What good is having a great voice when the material it's applied to is basically unlistenable?

BroncoInferno
01-13-2008, 12:36 PM
How about this chick:
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BroncoBuff
01-13-2008, 01:48 PM
:)

"Great" is utterly subjective when you're talking about music (especially pop music) wouldn't you agree?
Absolutely ... the word "great" should probably be removed from the lexicon.

I think music - more than any artistic expression - is narrowly subjective. Subjective as hell. Unlike films for example, where grandpa, dad and the kids often love the same movies ... such broad appreciation of musical artists is absolutely unheard of. Maybe because there's lots more music than there is movies - it's easier to produce. Or maybe because movie writers/producers include many different characters in most every film ... usually at least one character can appeal to any demographic segment of the audience.

Keeping all this in mind, I try to remember that the appreciation of different kinds of music is the utmost in subjective taste, and each listener's choices should be respected (unike some Saga haters in this thread). Maybe this attitude is why the playlist I'm listening to now includes, coming up next: Kid Frost, 'Mi Familia'; Malo, 'Suavecito'; Hamiton, Joe Frank & Reynolds, 'Fallin' in Love'; Fleetwod Mac, 'Warm Ways'; Debbie Reynolds, 'Tammy'; Keith Whitley - 'Miami My Amy'; Led Zeppelin - 'Wanton Song'; Donny Iris, 'Ah Leah!'; RHCP, 'Breaking the Girl'; and on and on .... I love every single one of these songs. Now. Let';s see if Hogan can restrain himself from commenting .... ;D

Hogan11
01-13-2008, 02:45 PM
Now. Let';s see if Hogan can restrain himself from commenting .... ;D

Huh? Did you say something Buff?

:rofl:

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-13-2008, 06:21 PM
In any event, I still feel that having pipes is non-essential. I'll bring up Pat Benatar again as an example. Incredible range and all that...but her records were terrible. What good is having a great voice when the material it's applied to is basically unlistenable?

Terrible? Unlistenable?

That's just a statement about your personal taste - not some objective reality.

The millions of fans who bought her records didn't think they were terrible.

"Terrible" is an adjective I would apply to The Pretenders - I would rather listen to Benatar than Chrissy Hynde any day of the week (but that's just my personal taste - I don't expect everyone to agree with me.)

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-13-2008, 06:22 PM
Keeping all this in mind, I try to remember that the appreciation of different kinds of music is the utmost in subjective taste, and each listener's choices should be respected (unike some Saga haters in this thread).

Yep.

Like some German philosopher guy said, "in matters of taste there is no dispute," or something like that. ;)

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-13-2008, 06:28 PM
What good is having a great voice when the material it's applied to is basically unlistenable?

It depends on your aesthetic.

I would rather listen to a really great singer sing a so-so song than listen to a mediocre or bad singer sing a great song (but that's just me.)

Hogan11
01-13-2008, 06:50 PM
Terrible? Unlistenable?

Yes...totally emotionally fraudulent works calculated for a demographic...not a lick of creativity in any of them while having lots (and I mean lots) of laughable, ludicrous moments (my personal fave is the S&M hit "Hit Me With Your Best Shot" followed up immediately by the anit-child abuse song "Hell Is For Children" on Crimes Of Passion and her cover versions are some of the world's absolute worst (Pick 'em here...she butchered everything from The Young Rascals to 40's standards)

That's just a statement about your personal taste - not some objective reality.

It's my objective opinion....not based upon my personal taste. If my personal taste was the primary deciding factor, then there would be no way in hell I'd have given half the women I listed in my earlier post a first listen. Believe me, I check out everything I encounter and then weigh in on it.

The millions of fans who bought her records didn't think they were terrible

Most of the record buying public are sold on commercial radio and are of a very young demographic. Sales is never a good way to judge quality...one look at the highest sales chart of any year should be all the proof you'd need of this.

"Terrible" is an adjective I would apply to The Pretenders - I would rather listen to Benatar than Chrissy Hynde any day of the week (but that's just my personal taste - I don't expect everyone to agree with me.)

And they shouldn't because the first Pretenders album is generally recognized as one of the most brilliant debuts in rock history. There is no publication that I've ever seen that denies that......but I guess it probably sucks because it only contained one mid-level "hit" single and didn't sell as many copies as anything Benatar did at the same time ::) Whatever.

alkemical
01-13-2008, 06:55 PM
I"ve found i'm much more a fan of songs than artists or bands these days

Hogan11
01-13-2008, 06:58 PM
It depends on your aesthetic.

I suppose....since vocal ability really doesn't mean as much to me as the material it's presented upon, it's fair to say I hold the opposite view here.

I would rather listen to a really great singer sing a so-so song than listen to a mediocre or bad singer sing a great song (but that's just me.)

Not me...I need a little bit more than that. Give me the great song everytime.

Hogan11
01-13-2008, 07:04 PM
I"ve found i'm much more a fan of songs than artists or bands these days

I've heard this from a couple of people and I dunno....sure, you always tend to run into a song here or there that you take to for one reason or another but I always keep coming around fave artists of mine whether that be thru new releases or touring. They'd have to disappoint me consistantly before I'd give up on them and even then...not totally because one always hopes for a return to whatever it was you saw in them in the first place.

BroncoBuff
01-13-2008, 08:09 PM
Huh? Did you say something Buff?
:rofl:
I thought at the very least the Debbie Reynolds reference would start you typing in a hurry! ;D ... but I sure am skeptical about trashing the entire discography of as popular an artist as Benatar. I'm not a big Benatar fan, but off the top of my head, 'Promises in the Dark' was a real scorcher.

I've said it before - and I'll say it again in adding my voice to clavi's - I'm more a song man than an artist man. I have a new mp3 player so I've been reshuffling my library lately, and it seems I have LOTS of artists with just one song in there. Not just Saga, but lots of artists like for example Annie Lennox, 4 Non-Blondes, Black Crowes, Breeders, Cher, Danzig, Dishwalla, Doris Day, Fleetwood Mac. Just one song from each indicates I'm not a huge fan of any of them ... BUT ... 'No More I Love Yous' 'What's Goin' On' 'She Talks to Angels' 'Cannonball' 'Believe' 'Mother' 'Counting Blue Cars' 'Secret Love' and 'Warm Ways' are all wonderful songs. :thumbsup:





Actually I just found 'Silver Springs' and the entire album 'The Dance,' so scratch Fleetwood Mac from the 1-song list.

But still.

BroncoBuff
01-13-2008, 08:21 PM
I would rather listen to a really great singer sing a so-so song than listen to a mediocre or bad singer sing a great song (but that's just me.)
Not me...I need a little bit more than that. Give me the great song everytime.
Gotta side with Hogan here ... as my two posts above at 55 and 56 indicate, I love 'Violet,' 'Story Ends,' 'Still the One,' and 'Cannonball' ... but nobody would ever confuse Courtney Love, Shania Twain, Harriet Wheeler or the Breeders/Pixies chick with Patty Smyth, Pat Benatar or k.d. lang.


a singer with an incredible voice can give you chills when singing a simple or average tune.
I agree with this ... but does that mean Celine Dion gets you hot? Uhh hmmm... ::)

Hogan11
01-13-2008, 08:36 PM
I thought at the very least the Debbie Reynolds reference would start you typing in a hurry! ;D ... but I sure am skeptical about trashing the entire discography of as popular an artist as Benatar. I'm not a big Benatar fan, but off the top of my head, 'Promises in the Dark' was a real scorcher.

Well, Donny Iris and "Miami My Amy" almost did...but when I decided not to comment on it and just let it go, the queasiness went away.

In regards to Benatar, I can't find much of redeeming value in what I've been subjected to (and I say subjected because she was soooo monsterously popular...many high school/college girlfriends treated her as some sort of voice of the generation or something till 86 or so......then again when she did the covers of old R&B stuff on True Love a title I actually had to look up....her butchering of B.B. King is far and away the most unforgivable thing she's done.) I gave each one a fair shot but she just seemed to get worse as she went on. I fault the material which neither showed off her opera trained pipes very well nor conveyed any of her emotional attachment to it. I felt a lot of it was a going through the motions pose brought on by an outside direction...maybe her manager or something although I can't prove that notion. It sure seemed like it was the case anyways.

I've said it before - and I'll say it again in adding my voice to clavi's - I'm more a song man than an artist man. I have a new mp3 player so I've been reshuffling my library lately, and it seems I have LOTS of artists with just one song in there. Not just Saga, but lots of artists like for example Annie Lennox, 4 Non-Blondes, Black Crowes, Breeders, Cher, Danzig, Dishwalla, Doris Day, Fleetwood Mac. Just one song from each indicates I'm not a huge fan of any of them ... BUT ... 'No More I Love Yous' 'What's Goin' On' 'She Talks to Angels' 'Cannonball' 'Believe' 'Mother' 'Counting Blue Cars' 'Secret Love' and 'Warm Ways' are all wonderful songs. :thumbsup:

Actually I just found 'Silver Springs' and the entire album 'The Dance,' so scratch Fleetwood Mac from the 1-song list.

But still.

MP3's make the single mix cd's (or tapes if you're still running that media) ipods and the like much easier if you don't care much about the overall sound quality. Some have a problem with them...I generally don't and think they're just fine.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-13-2008, 10:46 PM
It's my objective opinion....not based upon my personal taste.

When we're talking about art, "objective opinion" is an oxymoron.

Just because Benatar's music isn't "emotionally real" to you doesn't mean it isn't real to others.

As I said, a lot of it depends on how you hear music and what you're listening for.

I'm one of those people who responds more to the sound of a singer's voice and how she or he sings than what he or she is singing about.

I realize that for some listeners just the opposite is true.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-13-2008, 10:51 PM
I agree with this ... but does that mean Celine Dion gets you hot? Uhh hmmm... ::)

No, because there's also the question of style.

There are a lot of great vocalists and musicians whose abilities I respect but whose style I just don't care for.

I don't like country music, for example, but you will never hear me say that Brent Mason and Albert Lee are "terrible" guitarists. ;)

alkemical
01-14-2008, 08:21 AM
I've heard this from a couple of people and I dunno....sure, you always tend to run into a song here or there that you take to for one reason or another but I always keep coming around fave artists of mine whether that be thru new releases or touring. They'd have to disappoint me consistantly before I'd give up on them and even then...not totally because one always hopes for a return to whatever it was you saw in them in the first place.

Here's an example, not music related but may convey my POV:

I'm not a Johnny Depp fan (as in, i won't see a movie JUST BECAUSE Depp is in one), but i have found i own several movies that Depp is in.

Look, i love(d) REM, Radiohead, Tool, etc - but each band annoys me. They all have things i just cannot stand at times. Tool's 4min song intros, REM's later material just isn't always as solid, Radiohead can just get boring, etc.

So as it is now, i have bands i may scroll through first - but i have found that I'm not a Rolling stones fan, but i like several of their songs.

Hogan11
01-15-2008, 12:58 AM
Here's an example, not music related but may convey my POV:

I'm not a Johnny Depp fan (as in, i won't see a movie JUST BECAUSE Depp is in one), but i have found i own several movies that Depp is in.

Look, i love(d) REM, Radiohead, Tool, etc - but each band annoys me. They all have things i just cannot stand at times. Tool's 4min song intros, REM's later material just isn't always as solid, Radiohead can just get boring, etc.

So as it is now, i have bands i may scroll through first - but i have found that I'm not a Rolling stones fan, but i like several of their songs.

I understand what you're saying and it makes sense and all....but it really doesn't work too well for us record/CD collecting completists.

Speaking of R.E.M., that band's tanking after Bill Berry left is nothing short of tragic....have you heard any of R.E.M. Live yet? It's pretty sad how far they've fallen...the concert video that comes with the CD is unwatchable in it's constant jumping around.

alkemical
01-15-2008, 08:51 AM
I understand what you're saying and it makes sense and all....but it really doesn't work too well for us record/CD collecting completists.

Speaking of R.E.M., that band's tanking after Bill Berry left is nothing short of tragic....have you heard any of R.E.M. Live yet? It's pretty sad how far they've fallen...the concert video that comes with the CD is unwatchable in it's constant jumping around.

Well, you collect them - So you have a different POV.

I haven't bought an REM album since the one after 'monster' - i got some newer ones for christmas, etc - but IMO - I'd rather not. I like them earlier tunes. :)

Also hogan - I can find something i don't like about even my fav. bands. I like tool (for example) - but damn do i hate 4min song intros. ;)

BroncoInferno
01-15-2008, 09:09 AM
I tell you what annoys the hell out of me--"hidden tracks" where there are minutes of dead silence between to the last listed song the "hidden" track. For instance, Jarvis Cocker's new CD (which is excellent, by the way) has a hidden track with nearly 30 minutes of dead silence between the final listed track and the hidden track. 30 minutes! What is the point of that crap? It's particularly annoying when it's actually a good song.

Hogan11
01-15-2008, 09:41 AM
I tell you what annoys the hell out of me--"hidden tracks" where there are minutes of dead silence between to the last listed song the "hidden" track. For instance, Jarvis Cocker's new CD (which is excellent, by the way) has a hidden track with nearly 30 minutes of dead silence between the final listed track and the hidden track. 30 minutes! What is the point of that crap? It's particularly annoying when it's actually a good song.

That stuff is annoying but the most annoying thing I ever ran across are the cd's that are recorded as just one entire track. That Prince one (I forgot the title, never was a fan of his) started that short-lived trend. I remember getting The Rollins Band's Turned On as a promo and discovering it was done like that......which I really would've been pissed off about had it been a good show. As it was, he somehow chose an off night in front of a virtually dead crowd to record his first live album that way making it all the easier to shelve after a few listens (or ditch altogether at the used CD store). Rollins has since issued numerous live cd's making that document of annoying, snail-paced, single track sludge totally unnecessary and disposable.

alkemical
01-15-2008, 10:13 AM
I know NiN had an album with hidden tracks, but you had to rewind the first track to the hidden ones.

epicSocialism4tw
01-15-2008, 11:48 AM
That stuff is annoying but the most annoying thing I ever ran across are the cd's that are recorded as just one entire track. That Prince one (I forgot the title, never was a fan of his) started that short-lived trend. I remember getting The Rollins Band's Turned On as a promo and discovering it was done like that......which I really would've been pissed off about had it been a good show. As it was, he somehow chose an off night in front of a virtually dead crowd to record his first live album that way making it all the easier to shelve after a few listens (or ditch altogether at the used CD store). Rollins has since issued numerous live cd's making that document of annoying, snail-paced, single track sludge totally unnecessary and disposable.

Rollins is basically unlistenable anyways...having to sift through tripe to get to slop just doesnt sound all that appealing. ;D

epicSocialism4tw
01-15-2008, 11:50 AM
I tell you what annoys the hell out of me--"hidden tracks" where there are minutes of dead silence between to the last listed song the "hidden" track. For instance, Jarvis Cocker's new CD (which is excellent, by the way) has a hidden track with nearly 30 minutes of dead silence between the final listed track and the hidden track. 30 minutes! What is the point of that crap? It's particularly annoying when it's actually a good song.

I have always liked it because it makes for a moment when the listener is given the choice of either becoming interactive (albeit very little) and getting more music, or just skipping it.

I always choose the former rather than the latter.

BMF Bronco
01-15-2008, 12:25 PM
So I know it's not a CD point but I am making it here regardless.

I got an iPod gift card for Christmas this year and decided last night to go make use of it. As I was looking I came across two of my favorite albums ever put out, Alice In Chains and Nirvanas gigs from MTV's Unplugged. Man, I went through and listened to them both again last night and damn that was some good ****! So I ended up getting both.

Hogan11
01-16-2008, 12:05 AM
Rollins is basically unlistenable anyways...having to sift through tripe to get to slop just doesnt sound all that appealing. ;D

Granted he's not for everyone....aren't you the one who had a problem with his show on IFC & his political views? No matter, I've always been a fan since the Black Flag days. He can be fearsome and menancing but he's always had a sense of humor that keeps it all from totally going over the edge.

Sounds like a good time to post a classic Rollins rant with William Shatner as illustrated by muppets, what the hell...

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alkemical
01-16-2008, 08:43 AM
I've been listening to some tiger army

BroncoBuff
01-16-2008, 02:51 PM
I'm just wondering - does this mean we should change the thread title?


From Major to Minor

IN 2006 EMI, the world's fourth-biggest recorded-music company, invited some teenagers into its headquarters in London to talk to its top managers about their listening habits. At the end of the session the EMI bosses thanked them for their comments and told them to help themselves to a big pile of CDs sitting on a table. But none of the teens took any of the CDs, even though they were free. “That was the moment we realised the game was completely up,” says a person who was there.

In public, of course, music executives continued to talk a good game: recovery was just around the corner, they argued, and digital downloads would rescue the music business. But the results from 2007 confirm what EMI's focus group showed: that the record industry's main product, the CD, which in 2006 accounted for over 80% of total global sales, is rapidly fading away. In America, according to Nielsen SoundScan, the volume of physical albums sold dropped by 19% in 2007 from the year before—faster than anyone had expected. For the first half of 2007, sales of music on CD and other physical formats fell by 6% in Britain, by 9% in Japan, France and Spain, by 12% in Italy, 14% in Australia and 21% in Canada. (Sales were flat in Germany.) Paid digital downloads grew rapidly, but did not begin to make up for the loss of revenue from CDs. More worryingly for the industry, the growth of digital downloads appears to be slowing.

“In 2007 it became clear that the recorded-music industry is contracting and that it will be a very different beast from what it was in the 20th century,” says Mark Mulligan, an analyst at JupiterResearch. Last year several big-name artists bypassed the record labels altogether. Madonna left Warner Music to strike a deal with Live Nation, a concert promoter, and the Eagles distributed a bestselling album in America without any help from a record label. Radiohead, a British band, deserted EMI to release an album over the internet. These were isolated, unusual deals, by artists whose careers had already brought years of profits to the big music companies. But they made the labels look irrelevant and will no doubt prompt other artists to think about leaving them too.

The smallest major labels, EMI and Warner Music, are struggling most visibly. Warner Music's share price has fallen to $4.75, 72% lower than its IPO price in 2005, and it is weighed down by debt. EMI's new private-equity owner, Terra Firma, paid a high price for the business in August 2007. Now, having got rid of most of EMI's senior managers and revealed embarrassing details of their spending habits (£200,000 a year went on sundries euphemistically referred to in the music business as “fruit and flowers”), Terra Firma is due to produce a new strategy later this month. But many observers reckon the private-equity men are out of their depth.

The two biggest majors—Universal, which is owned by Vivendi, a French conglomerate, and Sony BMG, a joint venture between Sony and Bertelsmann, a German media firm—derive some protection from their parent companies. Universal is the strongest and is gaining market share. But people speculate that Bertelsmann may want to sell out to Sony next year.

Three vicious circles have now set in for the recorded-music firms. First, because sales of CDs are tumbling, big retailers such as Wal-Mart are cutting the amount of shelf-space they give to music, which in turn accelerates the decline. Richard Greenfield of Pali Research, an independent research firm, reckons that retail floor-space devoted to CDs in America will be cut by 30% or more in 2008. The pattern is likely to repeat itself elsewhere as sales fall.

Circular arguments

Second, because the majors are cutting costs severely, particularly at EMI and Warner Music, artists are receiving far less marketing and promotional support than before, which could prompt them to seek alternatives. “They've cut out the guts of middle managers and there are fewer people on the ground to promote records,” says Peter Mensch, manager of the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Shania Twain.

Third, record companies face such hostile conditions that their backers, whether private equity or corporations, are loth to spend the sums required to move into the bits of the music industry that are thriving, such as touring and merchandising. The majors are trying to strike “360-degree” deals with artists that grant them a share of these earnings. But even if artists agree to such deals, they will not hand over new rights unless they get better terms on recorded music, so the majors may not see much benefit overall. Tim Renner, a former boss of Universal Music in Germany, says the majors should have acted years ago. “Then they had the money and could have built the competence by buying concert agencies and merchandise companies,” he says. Now it may be too late.

By mid-2007, when the majors realised that digital downloads were not growing as quickly as they had hoped, they landed on a more adventurous digital strategy. They now want to move beyond Apple's iTunes and its paid-for downloads. The direction of most of their recent digital deals, such as with Imeem, a social network that offers advertising-supported streamed music, is to offer music free at the point of delivery to consumers. Perhaps the most important experiment of all is a deal Universal struck in December with Nokia, the biggest mobile-phone maker, to supply its music for new handsets that will go on sale later this year. These “Comes With Music” phones will allow customers to download all the music they want to their phones and PCs and keep it—even if they change handsets when their year's subscription ends. Instead of charging consumers directly, Universal will take a cut of the price of each phone. The other majors are expected to strike similar deals.

“‘Comes with Music' is a recognition that music has to be given away for free, or close to free, on the internet,” says Mr Mulligan. Paid-for download services will continue and ad-supported music will become more widespread, but subsidised services where people do not pay directly for music will become by far the most popular, he says. For the recorded-music industry this is a leap into the unknown. Universal and its fellow majors may never earn anything like as much from partnership with device-makers as they did from physical formats. Some among their number, indeed, may not survive.
http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10498664

That is one excellent magazine, by the way.

Los Broncos
01-16-2008, 04:11 PM
Those Legendary Shack Shakers - COCKADOODLEDON'T album.

Awesome band, im a big fan of the lead guy, his harp' playing is something.

Reminds me of Slim Harpo, they are on tour and will be in LA this weekend, i may get out there.

BroncoBuff
01-16-2008, 10:24 PM
The Butthole Surfers' "Golden Shower of Hits." Mt gf laughs every time.

Hogan11
01-16-2008, 11:31 PM
The Butthole Surfers' "Golden Shower of Hits." Mt gf laughs every time.

Buff, Golden Shower Of Hits is by The Circle Jerks, not the Butthole Surfers.
It's a decent album, but the Jerks Group Sex is the better album (their best actually), even when it's offered as a twofer along side the very disappointing Wild In The Streets.

Just keepin' ya posted ;)

Hogan11
01-16-2008, 11:34 PM
Those Legendary Shack Shakers - COCKADOODLEDON'T album.

Awesome band, im a big fan of the lead guy, his harp' playing is something.

Reminds me of Slim Harpo, they are on tour and will be in LA this weekend, i may get out there.

I'm not really all that familiar with the Shakers but they were just in my area not too long ago and I've heard they were really good....I'll be sure to check them out next time around.

Los Broncos
01-17-2008, 01:54 AM
I'm not really all that familiar with the Shakers but they were just in my area not too long ago and I've heard they were really good....I'll be sure to check them out next time around.

Cockadoodledont is their best album in my opinion.

If you want, i can burn a copy and send it out to ya.

It'll save ya some money.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-17-2008, 06:26 AM
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Hogan11
01-17-2008, 07:09 AM
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-17-2008, 10:23 AM
PT!

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Hogan11
01-17-2008, 11:03 AM
The Gore Gore Girls kicking ass live
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BroncoInferno
01-17-2008, 01:11 PM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31LzurHWL-L._AA240_.jpg

Funny we were talking about the Jesus and Mary Chain the other day, Hogan...the latest offering from Steven Merritt and co. follows closely to the Psychocandy formula. They don't get quite as loud as the Reid brothers, mind you, and they give the lyrics and melodies a more prominent showcase. But it definitely appears to be a nod of the cap of sorts. An excellent effort, and a welcome change of direction by Merritt. His work had gotten kind of stale since the classic 1999 release 69 Love Songs. Ever listened to these guys, Hogan? Here's a gorgeous little ditty from the aforementioned 69 Love Songs:
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Bronx33
01-17-2008, 03:29 PM
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Bronx33
01-17-2008, 04:16 PM
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-17-2008, 07:53 PM
Buddy Rich solo

Very nice! :thumbsup:

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-17-2008, 07:56 PM
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epicSocialism4tw
01-17-2008, 10:07 PM
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His wanktastic cheese jazz is only outshined by his supremely groomed balding mullet.

Broncochica
01-18-2008, 12:29 AM
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Hogan11
01-18-2008, 01:53 AM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31LzurHWL-L._AA240_.jpg

Funny we were talking about the Jesus and Mary Chain the other day, Hogan...the latest offering from Steven Merritt and co. follows closely to the Psychocandy formula. They don't get quite as loud as the Reid brothers, mind you, and they give the lyrics and melodies a more prominent showcase. But it definitely appears to be a nod of the cap of sorts. An excellent effort, and a welcome change of direction by Merritt. His work had gotten kind of stale since the classic 1999 release 69 Love Songs. Ever listened to these guys, Hogan? Here's a gorgeous little ditty from the aforementioned 69 Love Songs:
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Nice Inferno...I've never heard of them before. That was really cool and I will be checking into them more shortly.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-18-2008, 01:53 AM
His wanktastic cheese jazz...

Is that slacker generation code for someone who can play more than open position cowboy chords?

Shall we pull up Carlton's credits and compare them with yours?

...is only outshined by his supremely groomed balding mullet.

Dude: If you're going to be a music critic then at least try to say something intelligent about the music! :wave:

Hogan11
01-18-2008, 02:03 AM
I perfer Mascis myself...just the right mix of noise and ability IMHO
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epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2008, 10:08 AM
Is that slacker generation code for someone who can play more than open position cowboy chords?

No, but it is a critique of the banality that one can unintentionally invoke by deciding that guitar is more important than music.

Shall we pull up Carlton's credits and compare them with yours?


He is a fine player, and has probably made a decent living off of his skill. I have no doubt that he is well accredited.


Dude: If you're going to be a music critic then at least try to say something intelligent about the music! :wave:

You have to admit...that is one sweet mullet. He's still living the dream.

BroncoBuff
01-18-2008, 11:12 AM
LABF is right on the substance, but that last mullet crack is pretty funny :~ohyah!:

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2008, 11:19 AM
LABF is right on the substance, but that last mullet crack is pretty funny :~ohyah!:

If I were to sport a mullet of some sort, I would hope that I had someone close enough to me to let me know just how much I am embarrassing myself. No matter what one's intentions are, there is no possible way that they are bringing the mullet back at this point in time. ;D There's just no reason to restart that fad. Might as well work on the rat tail and the stair steps while your at it.

So, LABF...if you are buddies with Carlton, let him know that it might not be the best idea to sport the mullie. For his sake.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2008, 11:29 AM
In my player now -

Secret Machines - Ten Silver Drops
Stars - In Our Bedroom After the War

BizzyBone7
01-18-2008, 12:14 PM
I'm on a big Coheed & Cambria kick right now. All very talented musicians.

I'm also going to see THe Black Crowes in March, so hopefully that'll be cool.

BroncoBuff
01-18-2008, 12:18 PM
Some good smack that might be relevant in this thread. Courtesy Bronco Bob:

What do you call someone who hangs around with musicians?
A drummer.

How do you tell if the stage is level?
Drool comes out of both corners of the drummer's mouth.

Why are orchestra intermissions limited to 20 minutes?
So you don't have to retrain the drummers.

How many drummers does it take to change a light bulb?
Only one, but he'll break ten bulbs before figuring out that they can't just be pushed in.

How many drummers does it take to change a light bulb?
Twenty. One to hold the bulb, and nineteen to drink until the room spins.

Why is it good that drummers have one more brain cell than a horse?
So they don't disgrace themselves in parades.

How do you get 2 drummers to play in time?
Shoot one.

How is a drum solo like a sneeze?
You can tell it's coming, but you can't do anything about it.

What do drummers use for birth control?
Their personalities.

What is the difference between a drummer and a vacuum cleaner?
You have to plug one of them in before it sucks.

How can you tell a drummer is walking behind you?
You can hear his knuckles dragging on the ground.

alkemical
01-18-2008, 12:28 PM
grrrrr

smalltowngrll
01-18-2008, 12:51 PM
My latest addiction has been John Butler Trio, Live at St. Gallen!!

I'm such a sucker for accoustic! Ever since I saw them live here a couple months back I just can't shake 'em!

BroncoBuff
01-18-2008, 12:58 PM
How is a drum solo like a sneeze?
You can tell it's coming, but you can't do anything about it.


Sorry clavi ... but that's funny.

smalltowngrll
01-18-2008, 01:03 PM
My latest addiction has been John Butler Trio, Live at St. Gallen!!

I'm such a sucker for accoustic! Ever since I saw them live here a couple months back I just can't shake 'em!

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Broncochica
01-18-2008, 01:13 PM
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alkemical
01-18-2008, 01:17 PM
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Sorry clavi ... but that's funny.

Q - How many guitarists does it take to change a light-bulb?
A - Twenty. One to change the bulb and nineteen to say
"Not bad, but I could've done better."

Q - What do you throw a drowning guitarist ?
A - His amplifier.

Q - What do you call two guitarists playing in unison?
A - Counterpoint.

Q - How many guitar players does it take to cover a Stevie Ray Vaughan tune ?
A - Evidently all of them.

Q - What do you call a guitar player without a girlfriend?
A - Homeless.

Q - How do you make a lead guitarist slow down?
A - Put some sheet music in front of him.

Drumroll please!


Q - What's black and blue and laying in a ditch?
A - A guitarist who's told too many drummer jokes.

;)

BroncoInferno
01-18-2008, 02:39 PM
Nice Inferno...I've never heard of them before. That was really cool and I will be checking into them more shortly.

A little bit more from the Magnetic Fields. These are all from 69 Love Songs (I couldn't find anything from the new album on youtube). Oh, and these are all fan videos:
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-18-2008, 06:33 PM
No, but it is a critique of the banality that one can unintentionally invoke by deciding that guitar is more important than music.

If this is your assessment of Carlton as a musician then you obviously don't know much about either music or Carlton.

For the record, I'm no fan of "wanking" either (can't stand to listen to Yngwie and his ilk) but there's a difference between playing a lot of notes just to impress people with your chops vs. playing a lot of notes that make melodic sense or have some sort of melodic design.

It's funny how guitar players are the only musicians who get slammed for playing fast or playing a lot of notes - you never hear anyone accuse John Coltrane of being a "wanker."

He is a fine player, and has probably made a decent living off of his skill. I have no doubt that he is well accredited.

Seriously, do you even know who Larry Carlton is or who he's recorded and/or performed with?

BroncoBuff
01-18-2008, 07:56 PM
I might buy some of what llama is saying for a guy like Al DeMeola, whom I've always felt was needlessly infatuated with speed and flash, but Larry Carlton is so much more than that ... to marginalize him like you're trying to do llama is like summing up Paul McCartney's career by saying, "yes, he's a very good bass player."

LABF - didn't Carlton play lead on Steely Dan's "Reelin' in the Years"? Probably a bit too formulaic for your taste, but I always loved that solo.

Hogan11
01-18-2008, 08:41 PM
I might buy some of what llama is saying for a guy like Al DeMeola, whom I've always felt was needlessly infatuated with speed and flash, but Larry Carlton is so much more than that ... to marginalize him like you're trying to do llama is like summing up Paul McCartney's career by saying, "yes, he's a very good bass player."

LABF - didn't Carlton play lead on Steely Dan's "Reelin' in the Years"? Probably a bit too formulaic for your taste, but I always loved that solo.

I thought that was Becker....but I must confess that while I like a lot of Steely Dan (practically all up to the reformation) keeping track of the session guys, from Toto to the usual L.A. studio rats like Skunk and his ilk, is not something that ever interested me in particular.

I will go on record as saying that nothing was more of a drag than playing with the "uber-guitarist" ..the guys who are much more interested in being challenged with complex scales and time sigs than actually having any fun, sneering at anything that doesn't match their "level of musicanship". The constant demand of perfection may be the way of it in the session world but in a band enviroment, nothing sucks the life and fun out of it all quicker than someone like that. Give me an inspired amateur any day of the week instead.

Hogan11
01-18-2008, 08:43 PM
A little bit more from the Magnetic Fields. These are all from 69 Love Songs (I couldn't find anything from the new album on youtube). Oh, and these are all fan videos:

Thank you for these Inferno....that is some really cool stuff. I'm very impressed with it :thumbsup:

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-19-2008, 06:26 AM
I might buy some of what llama is saying for a guy like Al DeMeola, whom I've always felt was needlessly infatuated with speed and flash, but Larry Carlton is so much more than that ... to marginalize him like you're trying to do llama is like summing up Paul McCartney's career by saying, "yes, he's a very good bass player."

Ding ding ding! :thumbsup:


LABF - didn't Carlton play lead on Steely Dan's "Reelin' in the Years"?

No - that was Elliott Randall. http://www.elliott-randall.com/

Carlton's most famous Steely Dan solo is probably "Kid Charlemagne."

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-19-2008, 06:30 AM
I will go on record as saying that nothing was more of a drag than playing with the "uber-guitarist" ..the guys who are much more interested in being challenged with complex scales and time sigs than actually having any fun...

I prefer those musicians who are dedicated to achieving the highest level of musicianship possible AND having fun. :wiggle:

Nothing wrong with complexity as long as it's sincere and not just an effort to impress, IMO.

BroncoBuff
01-19-2008, 09:32 AM
I prefer those musicians who are dedicated to achieving the highest level of musicianship possible AND having fun. :wiggle:

Nothing wrong with complexity as long as it's sincere and not just an effort to impress, IMO.
LABF, you're a professional, so I need your opinion (unless it's different than mine). I was a freshman in college, like 19 years old, and we were jamming with this guy who was a big shot senior or some damn thing (6th year trust fund senior). He wasn't a very good player really, but he lived in a great house with senior guys and had a lotta money and great car (who drives a convertible in Boulder?) and great gear - really really great gear (LP Gold Top, Strat, Mesa Boogie head + Marshall 4x12, Ovation Patriot which was cool at the time anyway).

So, he had this great gear, and was a jazz guy too, and we were at his house listening to Al DeMeola (whom he worshipped), and I said something like "he reminds me of Eddie Van Halen in that speed and flash kinda come first." Well, he lit into me a bit, and actually said something like, "man, you need to buy some Stridex and listen to some decent music, then come back in a year and tell me what you think." Everyone laughed - even my friends! And LABF, there were GIRLS THERE!! AND THEY LAUGHED TOO!!!!

I'm still not over it ... I need to heal from this, LABF.

TELL ME I WAS RIGHT ABOUT AL DEMEOLA!

HEAL ME LABF!

HEAL ME!!

::)

Muddled
01-19-2008, 11:22 AM
3 albums have pretty much been in rotation this week.

Low- Things We Lost In The Fire

Took me a while, Low has been on my "need to check out properly" list for years, finally got around to it, and I'm relly smitten with this album especially, wonderful vocal harmonies.

Radiohead- In Rainbows

First Radiohead album since OK Computer I can listen to full length, later albums have had their highlights and some amazing songs (Pyramid song, 2+2=5 to name a few), but a load of senseless wankery too, now the focus seems to be back on writing tunes, Jigsaw Falling Into Place is a winner.

Dark Tranquility- Projector

Thought I was done with metal years back, still listened to some of my old favs (or at least one Paradise Lost), but hadn't encountered a metal band for 5 years that had spawned my interest, man that changed with this band. For a year I've been on a ride around their discography, pretty sure not many around here listen to stuff labelled melodic death metal, but labels are misleading, this is quite simply intense passionate beatiful melodic music. Too bad people can't get past the growling.

Wow, bit of an afternoon rant there, oh well

Hogan11
01-19-2008, 01:10 PM
I prefer those musicians who are dedicated to achieving the highest level of musicianship possible AND having fun. :wiggle:

Nothing wrong with complexity as long as it's sincere and not just an effort to impress, IMO.

There's nothing wrong with any of that at all as long as they're just as cool about playing three chords all night as they are about their "complexity".

Unfortunately....I've never encountered one of those guys that was.

Los Broncos
01-19-2008, 04:40 PM
Blind Willie Johnson - The complete recordings.

With a haunting voice and skilled slide, one of the best from the delta era.

If you like gospel blues, check it out.

Jesus make up my dying bed is one of the best.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-19-2008, 06:27 PM
LABF, you're a professional, so I need your opinion (unless it's different than mine). I was a freshman in college, like 19 years old, and we were jamming with this guy who was a big shot senior or some damn thing (6th year trust fund senior). He wasn't a very good player really, but he lived in a great house with senior guys and had a lotta money and great car (who drives a convertible in Boulder?) and great gear - really really great gear (LP Gold Top, Strat, Mesa Boogie head + Marshall 4x12, Ovation Patriot which was cool at the time anyway).

So, he had this great gear, and was a jazz guy too, and we were at his house listening to Al DeMeola (whom he worshipped), and I said something like "he reminds me of Eddie Van Halen in that speed and flash kinda come first." Well, he lit into me a bit, and actually said something like, "man, you need to buy some Stridex and listen to some decent music, then come back in a year and tell me what you think." Everyone laughed - even my friends! And LABF, there were GIRLS THERE!! AND THEY LAUGHED TOO!!!!

I'm still not over it ... I need to heal from this, LABF.

TELL ME I WAS RIGHT ABOUT AL DEMEOLA!

HEAL ME LABF!

HEAL ME!!

::)

Ha!

The insult that made a man out of Mac...

j/k ;)

On the real, I've always felt the same way about DiMeola, i.e., that he was all about technique for its own sake. When he initially emerged in the 70s, I remember being impressed by his chops but completely unmoved on an emotional/aesthetic level.

Yngwie Malmsteen is another guitarist (working in the rock genre) whose solos amount to little more than "let's see how fast I can play these harmonic minor scale sequences or diminished arpeggios."

Now we get to the healing part... ;)

Here's a little anecdote that should put things in perspective:

The guy who transcribed all of Yngwie's solos for his RHS instructional video was my reading teacher at G.I.T. and a good friend of mine named Dave Hill.

Anyway, Dave doesn't have anywhere near the kind of chops that Yngwie has, but he was able to transcribe all of Yngwie's licks (for the booklet that comes with the video) with very little effort.

Why?

Because there is ultimately nothing really melodically interesting about the lines Yngwie plays. That is to say, he just runs up and down scales, sequences, and arpeggios - there are no real motifs or phrases that jump around intervallically or vary in contour. The contour of his lines is nearly always uniform and, hence, more or less predictable.

The same thing can be said, perhaps to a slightly lesser degree, of DiMeola's solos.

As for my tastes, I'll take a guy like Frank Gambale who probably has more chops than DiMeola but who (for the most part) only uses them as a means to an end, i.e., as a means of getting his ideas across.

epicSocialism4tw
01-19-2008, 06:35 PM
If this is your assessment of Carlton as a musician then you obviously don't know much about either music or Carlton.

For the record, I'm no fan of "wanking" either (can't stand to listen to Yngwie and his ilk) but there's a difference between playing a lot of notes just to impress people with your chops vs. playing a lot of notes that make melodic sense or have some sort of melodic design.

It's funny how guitar players are the only musicians who get slammed for playing fast or playing a lot of notes - you never hear anyone accuse John Coltrane of being a "wanker."

Seriously, do you even know who Larry Carlton is or who he's recorded and/or performed with?

Spare me the lecture.

Your talking to a guy who tried to fit Chris Squire, Victor Wooten, and Jaco into every song he ever encountered.

I know a slew of great studio players, many of whom you probably worship as much as Carlton. One of whom is one of the best quick jazz pickers of his era. I'm sure you have his poster on your wall.

You dont have to be Yngwie or Buckethead to wank. There are plenty of players who shred their way through the pentatonic or any brand of scale you can think of.

Dont be so full of yourself.

And dont let that guy continue sporting the mullet.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-19-2008, 06:39 PM
There's nothing wrong with any of that at all as long as they're just as cool about playing three chords all night as they are about their "complexity".

Unfortunately....I've never encountered one of those guys that was.

Three chords all night?

I dunno, man....

Like I said, I'm not a big fan of complexity for its own sake, but there's such a thing as too little complexity or variation.

The three basic elements of music are melody, harmony, and rhythm.

Of these three elements, rhythm is probably the strongest - which is why a great blues or rock band with a jumpin' rhythm section can keep people on the dance floor all night with little more than the three chords you mentioned.

However, as a musician with a trained ear, there has to be a certain amount of variety in the other two areas for me to stay interested.

I realize this is just my personal aesthetic and that it probably doesn't represent the majority of people who listen to popular music.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-19-2008, 06:45 PM
Spare me the lecture.

Your talking to a guy who tried to fit Chris Squire, Victor Wooten, and Jaco into every song he ever encountered.

I know a slew of great studio players, many of whom you probably worship as much as Carlton. One of whom is one of the best quick jazz pickers of his era. I'm sure you have his poster on your wall.

You dont have to be Yngwie or Buckethead to wank. There are plenty of players who shred their way through the pentatonic or any brand of scale you can think of.

Dont be so full of yourself.

And dont let that guy continue sporting the mullet.

Full of myself?

For simply questioning your reasons for dismissing Carlton a "wanker?"

I stand by my original statement - if you really believe this then you either don't know anything about Carlton or you don't know when the term "wanker" is appropriate.

If you don't dig his style, then I have no argument with that.

I can't stand country music, but you won't hear me calling Brent Mason or Albert Lee "wankers."

epicSocialism4tw
01-19-2008, 06:50 PM
Full of myself?

For simply questioning your reasons for dismissing Carlton a "wanker?"

I stand by my original statement - if you really believe this then you either don't know anything about Carlton or you don't know when the term "wanker" is appropriate.

"Wanking" would include fitting 32nd notes over a slow tempo'ed cheesy strings pad and a rhythm section who completely gets themselves out of the way.

That type of play is much more appropriate virtuoso rather than in some club full of players who think they are so much better than the people they work for. You know...the creative ones.

epicSocialism4tw
01-19-2008, 06:50 PM
I can't stand country music, but you won't hear me calling Brent Mason or Albert Lee "wankers."

That's because neither of them are.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-19-2008, 07:06 PM
"Wanking" would include fitting 32nd notes over a slow tempo'ed cheesy strings pad and a rhythm section who completely gets themselves out of the way.

It depends on the specific notes being played and the reason for playing them, IMO.

In any event, anyone who knows anything about Larry Carlton knows his entire reputation was built on tone, taste, phrasing, and an incredible melodic sense.

Do you really think he would have gotten all those calls to play on a gazillion different records by just about every artist under the sun if he was a "wanker?"

Bronx33
01-19-2008, 07:07 PM
Has this thread gone (musical debate)? post some tunes and leave the BS on the war religion thread (where it belongs).

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-19-2008, 07:07 PM
That's because neither of them are.

But both of these guys play more notes in a single solo than Carlton has played in his entire career.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-19-2008, 07:09 PM
Has this thread gone (musical debate)? post some tunes and leave the BS on the war religion thread (where it belongs).

???

How does a musical discussion belong on a war, religion, and politics forum?

No one is stopping you from posting tunes here - knock yourself out.

epicSocialism4tw
01-19-2008, 07:36 PM
But both of these guys play more notes in a single solo than Carlton has played in his entire career.

Both of them do so within their genre in appropriate situations.

Look, I'm not saying that the guy isnt a quality player. He is obviously very talented. I wouldnt say the same for Yngwie. BUT, that is a wanktastic solo you produced there.

A great player, IMO, evokes emotions. Whether its Gilmour's one-note-wonders, BB King's simple bending, or Steve Howe's furious chopping.

The best players are the ones who recognize how much just one note can do.

I always liked Tony Levin's discussion on that subject.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-19-2008, 07:52 PM
The best players are the ones who recognize how much just one note can do.



And Carlton built his rep on being just such a player.

That's why I felt it was unfair to judge him on the basis of one Youtube moment.

BroncoBuff
01-20-2008, 04:14 AM
I've always felt the same way about DiMeola, i.e., that he was all about technique for its own sake. When he initially emerged in the 70s, I remember being impressed by his chops but completely unmoved on an emotional/aesthetic level.
GLORY! I am HEALED! ;D

Hogan11
01-20-2008, 02:37 PM
Three chords all night?

I dunno, man....

Like I said, I'm not a big fan of complexity for its own sake, but there's such a thing as too little complexity or variation.

The three basic elements of music are melody, harmony, and rhythm.

Of these three elements, rhythm is probably the strongest - which is why a great blues or rock band with a jumpin' rhythm section can keep people on the dance floor all night with little more than the three chords you mentioned.

However, as a musician with a trained ear, there has to be a certain amount of variety in the other two areas for me to stay interested.

I realize this is just my personal aesthetic and that it probably doesn't represent the majority of people who listen to popular music.

I actually ment it in terms of playing with other people of various ability. A lot of times, especially when I was learning the rudiments, none of those types would condescend to playing with you...they were very exclusionary due to their snobbishness on the musicianship grounds.

BroncoBuff
01-20-2008, 02:43 PM
Flashy, fast play by itself = Bodybuilding as a sport. The individual as a showoff.

Melodic, song-oriented play = Team sport like football. One guy can be awesome, but the team comes first.


;D

Hogan11
01-20-2008, 04:44 PM
Sometimes, you just plain don't need anyone....case in point, here's my girl, KT Tunstall, on her breakout UK TV appearance on Later....she stomps on a mean tambourine I tell ya.
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Bronx33
01-20-2008, 08:43 PM
Ok i have no clue if this works or not but my son put up a new song from his band on his myspace and iam putting it in here so you guys can hear it. Ya it's rough but my kid practices his a** off and has come along way i 3 years teaching himself basically. (So if you have a myspace account you can hear it) ohhh he plays lead.

His band is called sadistic
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=160871948&MyToken=a6de8172-1369-47aa-ac94-5c9388b5e0fe

oubronco
01-22-2008, 01:56 PM
Sebastian Bach - Angel Down

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-22-2008, 08:48 PM
http://www.melodicrock.com/interviews/timpierce-guitarland.jpg

Hogan11
01-24-2008, 07:21 AM
How cool is KT Tunstall? She now plays Bo Diddley's Gunslinger guitar, that's how. The track is much better live than on Drastic Fantastic IMO
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I know, female pop singer...but I think she's brilliant, so sue me.

alkemical
01-24-2008, 08:07 AM
I like chica sings hogan. When i was in seattle i saw pretty girls make graves play at the sonic boom record shop - for a little woman she can pack a voice.

epicSocialism4tw
01-24-2008, 02:38 PM
Right now I'm spinning Chomsky - Hogan, you should check it out. Think avant-garde new wave in a pop-rock format.

They have long since been disbanded, but very interesting for the active listener.

epicSocialism4tw
01-24-2008, 02:42 PM
Also listening to Band of Horses' new disc.

Alot of feeling with little musicianship. Think Coldplay filtered through the Western NC Appalachians with a little Sunny Day Real Estate guitar styling in there while Ben channels Perry Farrell.

There are some good moments on the disc, and it makes for an atmospheric, regional type of listen. Which I dont think is necessarily a bad thing at all. Its kind of like driving though the Appalacians at night with a clear sky overhead and peace in your heart.

Kid A
01-25-2008, 01:36 AM
Also listening to Band of Horses' new disc.

Alot of feeling with little musicianship. Think Coldplay filtered through the Western NC Appalachians with a little Sunny Day Real Estate guitar styling in there while Ben channels Perry Farrell.

There are some good moments on the disc, and it makes for an atmospheric, regional type of listen. Which I dont think is necessarily a bad thing at all. Its kind of like driving though the Appalacians at night with a clear sky overhead and peace in your heart.

I'm kind of the same way on it. There are some great moments that really stand out to me, but it kind of passes by in the background pleasantly enough most the time for me.

The last couple days I've been on a Massive Attack (more specifically Mezzanine) kick.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-25-2008, 02:45 AM
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Hogan11
01-25-2008, 08:08 PM
I like chica sings hogan. When i was in seattle i saw pretty girls make graves play at the sonic boom record shop - for a little woman she can pack a voice.

I haven't heard very much of PGMG, maybe just like a song or two, so I really cannot pass judgement on it till I hear more. I'll have to take your word on it for now Ames.

Right now I'm spinning Chomsky - Hogan, you should check it out. Think avant-garde new wave in a pop-rock format.

They have long since been disbanded, but very interesting for the active listener.

Chomsky.....sounds familiar but I can't place it (I must be getting old and losing my memory or something) Band Of Horses I've never heard of, but it sounds interesting from your description...I'll have to investigate further.

BroncoInferno
01-26-2008, 01:37 AM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51VROUX6FFL._AA240_.jpg

This is a terrific album. It's got a little early Elvis Costello meets Nick Cave feel to it. After devouring this, check Cocker's previous band, Pulp:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41tEj3xv9DL._AA240_.jpg

This is a classic of the first order. A clear predecessor to "dance-rock" bands like Franz Ferdinand and the Kaiser Chiefs. "Common People" and "I Spy" are cannon worthy tunes.
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Hogan11
01-26-2008, 04:45 PM
I can't go with you on that one Inferno...I don't care for Pulp at all. I will admit "Common People" has some brilliant lyrics, but I much perfer the Shat's version to the original.
I know it's been posted before, but what the hell
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Sassy
01-26-2008, 04:47 PM
Listening to Yo La Tengo at the moment ;D

Dagmar
01-26-2008, 05:31 PM
Seriously, EVERYONE needs to get Boxer by The NAtional...utterly sensational.

alkemical
01-26-2008, 05:47 PM
I was listening to bloc party yesterday......

BroncoInferno
01-27-2008, 10:55 AM
Gotta love John Prine:
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Kid A
01-28-2008, 02:58 PM
Seriously, EVERYONE needs to get Boxer by The NAtional...utterly sensational.

Have you listened much to Alligator? It's a couple notches below Boxer for me, but it still has some incredible stuff on it.

Los Broncos
01-28-2008, 08:00 PM
I had some Morbid Angel playing today.

epicSocialism4tw
01-31-2008, 06:12 PM
Okay...to those of you who were interested in hearing our album release, here is the first single:

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epicSocialism4tw
01-31-2008, 06:55 PM
Here's what I'm listening to now:
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Beautiful and poingant.

Here's Band of Horses for those who dont know what time it is:
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Kid A
02-01-2008, 01:00 AM
Of Montreal- hissing fauna, are you the destroyer?

Los Broncos
02-01-2008, 01:33 AM
At work today i had a little Peter Framton and Sublime playing.

Los Broncos
02-03-2008, 03:39 AM
The best of Bo Diddley from Chess records.

I like his version of "I'm a man"

Also, Mona is a great song.

epicSocialism4tw
02-03-2008, 01:43 PM
I'm listening to alot of Philip Glass and Brian Eno right now.

epicSocialism4tw
02-03-2008, 01:50 PM
Last night I got to see Band of Horses here in Dallas.

If you are interested in their music, I would strongly suggest seeing their live show. Some bands arent captured well in the studio, and I would consider Band of Horses one of those groups. They are a strong live performer. Their latest record doesnt capture the sonic presence of the band or the quality of a few of the players. The rhythm section is particularly outstanding live, and Ben's voice is very good.

Go see 'em.

"Street" fingerstyle guitar player Tyler Ramsey is traveling with them, and is also opening up the show with a virtuoso set. If you like bluegrass rags from a little bit of a raw but nicely talented player, check out Tyler. I enjoyed his playing and his set immensely.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-04-2008, 01:38 AM
At work today i had a little [/b]Peter Framton[/b]

:thumbsup:

One of my early influences and guitar heroes.

Hogan11
02-07-2008, 01:07 AM
For Sassy
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Sassy
02-07-2008, 06:33 AM
For Sassy
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:approve: Thanks H!

BroncoInferno
02-07-2008, 04:47 PM
Big Star (actually this may just be Alex Chilton singing with a backing band)

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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-07-2008, 11:30 PM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51wrS3LlhvL._SS500_.jpg

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-07-2008, 11:32 PM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31-AdMUbO2L._SS500_.jpg

Los Broncos
02-07-2008, 11:42 PM
Foo fighters, sublime, under oath....

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-08-2008, 08:58 AM
http://www.figaroguitars.com/guitars27/michael%20s%20s%20b%2001%20large.jpg

Los Broncos
02-08-2008, 02:43 PM
Jack Johnson, Tool.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-10-2008, 09:10 AM
Daaaayum!

You need a miner's helmet with a headlight to dig the depth of the groove Weckl is laying down here!

Chick Corea's Elektric Band Live at Catalina's in Hollywood

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TDmvp
02-10-2008, 09:37 PM
so sick of this punk , i feel for his lost of his mother , but can someone please tell me a one time this guy aint a punk

DBruleU
02-10-2008, 09:50 PM
What did he do now?

Dudeskey
02-10-2008, 09:53 PM
He needs to get off the mic & stick to producing

RhymesayersDU
02-10-2008, 09:54 PM
What brought this on?

Dagmar
02-10-2008, 09:55 PM
3 brilliant albums. You'd kill to have his talent.

BizzyBone7
02-10-2008, 10:48 PM
3 brilliant albums. You'd kill to have his talent.

I don't know if this was meant to be sarcastic, but to say Kanye West has a lot of talent is crazy. His first album was pretty good, i'll give him that. But it got worse as he went on. Hes a pretty good producer, he samples a little too much for me, but for the most part his beats are pretty good. There are so many more talented rappers, yes i said it rappers have talent, that don't get any credit because they're not as high profile.

And if you actually listened to his words, they either don't make sense, or are the stupidest things I ever heard. And people praise him for that stuff.

Bronx33
02-11-2008, 03:36 PM
JJ CALE (http://www.aquariumdrunkard.org/songs/02%20Waymores%20Blues.mp3)

Bronx33
02-11-2008, 04:10 PM
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Los Broncos
02-11-2008, 10:49 PM
Billy boy Arnold, Lead belly, Slipknot.

epicSocialism4tw
02-12-2008, 12:07 AM
Paul Simon - Graceland

Hogan11
02-12-2008, 01:09 AM
Rough footage of The late Hound Dog Taylor & The Houserockers

One of my all time faves...it's everything I love about the blues....raw, loud, sloppy and intense.
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-12-2008, 07:25 AM
Chick Corea Elektric Band - Beneath The Mask

Holy sh*t!

Weckl and John Patitucci laying down an even greasier funk groove here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rI9fevwT2s

alkemical
02-12-2008, 08:04 AM
tasty!

Los Broncos
02-12-2008, 03:36 PM
Little Walter is my favortie of all time.

Incubus, Jim Croce....

Bronx33
02-12-2008, 09:15 PM
Dang this girl can sing! (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=156328111)

Dagmar
02-12-2008, 09:39 PM
Just discovered REM and the National will be playing Red ROcks in June,I am soooooooooooo pumped!

ElwayMD
02-12-2008, 11:24 PM
Radiohead- In Rainbows
Interpol- Our love to Admire

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-13-2008, 02:33 AM
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Hogan11
02-13-2008, 04:34 AM
I miss Arthur Lee
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For every happy hello.................there will be goodbye.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-13-2008, 05:51 AM
Abraham Laboriel Jr. - STING - Lyle Workman - Dominic Miller

"Message In A Bottle"

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/abelaborielmessage.html

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-13-2008, 05:57 AM
Abraham Laboriel Jr. getting it in one take:

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/abelaborielanswer.html

Hogan11
02-14-2008, 02:07 AM
Little Steven issued one lone great album IMHO, Men Without Women..a great mix of garage rock and soul. Wish there was a better clip of it (this is pretty beat up) but it just seems like a perfect, non-wimpy song for V'Day.
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