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Requiem
04-05-2011, 10:47 AM
Who are the top five prospects you want the Broncos to draft? (Don't name all first rounders!)

Top Five Prospects You Want Denver to Draft

Easy thread. Name the top five prospects you want the Broncos to draft. Try and be versatile. Don't give the names of five first rounders. Explain your names and give us clues as to why you want him on the team.

Mason Foster, LB -- Washington Huskies


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Foster has experience at all three linebacker positions and has put up great statistics at LB for the Huskies. He also is a special teamer. He isn't the most athletic linebacker, but he makes up for that with good instincts. I think he's one of the most underrated prospects in the draft and will be one of the best line backers to come out of this class. His versatility is what makes him such good option for the Broncos. I feel comfortable with his value in the second or third round, though I've read he is moving up draft boards and could go higher than expected.

Additional Prospects: Taiwan Jones, RB | Davon House, CB | Virgil Green, TE | Cameron Jordan, DL

Smiling Assassin27
04-05-2011, 11:07 AM
Mark Herzlich, LB Boston College

Reminds me of a guy like woodyard--tough, determined, focused, and a hell of a work ethic. He was the ACC Defensive player of the year in 08 before he battled cancer. Good character guy who can still put on a bit of size and runs pretty well.

gyldenlove
04-05-2011, 12:00 PM
Mark Herzlich, LB Boston College

Reminds me of a guy like woodyard--tough, determined, focused, and a hell of a work ethic. He was the ACC Defensive player of the year in 08 before he battled cancer. Good character guy who can still put on a bit of size and runs pretty well.

I agree with this one, he is a leader and a fighter and his instincts are amazing.

TheReverend
04-05-2011, 12:10 PM
1. Peterson
2. Liuget
3. Martez Wilson
4. Royster
5/6. O'Dowd/Thornton

Realistic opportunity to nab all of the above and field a very talented football team, especially if we nab a couple solid players in FA (Vet DT, Vet Sam, and maybe a vet IOL)

TheReverend
04-05-2011, 12:17 PM
1. Peterson
2. Liuget
3. Martez Wilson
4. Royster
5/6. O'Dowd/Thornton

Realistic opportunity to nab all of the above and field a very talented football team, especially if we nab a couple solid players in FA (Vet DT, Vet Sam, and maybe a vet IOL)

Crap didn't expand so I'm quoting myself.

1. Peterson - Will allow our former DB coach DC to be VERY creative with coverages and blitz schemes and run gaps, and provides a game changing threat with the ball in his hands (and it will get there with Champ on the other side).

2. Liuget - PERFECT fit for Fox's defensive scheme, imo, and reminds me a lot of Sed Ellis so our new DC SHOULD be in love with this guy. I don't think his development will take a lot of time because he fits the system so well from my point of view. A penetrator that can create some havoc in the backfield and has shown the ability to stand up double teams time after time.

3. Wilson - Athletic MLB that can play in traffic with speed to cover AND from what I hear is a solid leader capable of taking charge of the defense.

4. Royster - A low cost, high reward player that has fallen from his top ranked prospect spot due to PSU's poor QB play and some SLIGHTLY disappointing measurables. Fact still remains, he plays at a VERY high level and is extremely durable.

5/6. O'Dowd - Capable technician with a mean streak to put some competition on Walton and solidify what was just recently the best OL in the NFL.

5/6. Thornton - DII DT. Known as a penetrator, he's a LATE round sleeper that showed he can play with the big boys at the senior bowl either as getting past blockers into the backfield with a variety of moves, or standing up blockers in the run game. Will need to develop, but is absolutely an effort guy with a bunch of talent.

BroncoMan4ever
04-05-2011, 01:28 PM
Virgil Green TE out of Nevada. he is a little raw, but may be the most athletically gifted pass catching tight end in this draft

Alex Green RB out of Hawaii, big strong physical runner, with good burst and decent speed, hard nosed runner always has his legs pumping, good hands out of the backfield, good in pass protection, more of a cut and go runner which suits perfectly with us returning to the ZBS.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
04-05-2011, 02:09 PM
1. Dareus- physical at the point of attack, and athletic enough to play on 3rd down as well.

2. Stephen Paea- Having Paea would give Denver two young DT's that can play either tackle.

3. Mason Foster-

4. Jeron Johnson- excellent football player. Very solid tackler, good in run defense, and plays the deep ball like an old school safety

5. Andy Dalton- We need a young guy to develop into Tebow's backup, especially with Quinn and Orton only being under contract for one more year.

underrated29
04-05-2011, 02:30 PM
dareus
fairley
PP
watt
delone carter


Those are my top 5 favs for us...Of course we have aboslutely not shot at landing more than 2 of them, but it did not read the title as such.

SouthStndJunkie
04-05-2011, 02:31 PM
1: Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama
2: Dion Lewis, RB, Pittsburgh
3: Lance Kendricks, TE, Wisconsin
4: Greg Jones, LB, Michigan State
5: Jason Pinkston, OT/OG, Pittsburgh

5b: Noel Devine, RB, West Virginia
5c: Allen Bailey, DE, Miami

Smiling Assassin27
04-05-2011, 02:48 PM
4: Greg Jones, LB, Michigan State

+1

epicSocialism4tw
04-05-2011, 02:48 PM
Dareus
Von Miller
Phil Taylor
DeMarco Murray
Bilal Powell

mhgaffney
04-05-2011, 02:57 PM
Most of the mocks have Liuget going in the mid first -- out of our reach.

But if he falls -- great -- go get him.

serious hops
04-05-2011, 03:34 PM
Marcell Dareus - no explanation necessary.

Brandon Harris - I like his combination of size, speed and footwork. I think he could be a little undervalued compared to the top two corners, and has the long term potential to be a steal if he's drafted late first/high second. Gives us a legit talent to develop behind Champ.

Jurrell Casey - we need more than one D-tackle, and Casey projects well as a three-technique. Let Dareus play the one-tech, and rotate Casey in on passing downs.

Greg Jones - I expect him to fall, and he'll be a solid value in the middle rounds if we can add a couple picks in that range. We need bodies at 'backer, and with no blue chip MIKEs available, Jones gives us a developmental prospect with good instincts and motor who seems to fit Fox's mold of quick, undersized LBs. Better value than wasting a pick on that chump Martez Wilson.

Derrick Locke - We need another back (or three), and don't have a high pick to spend. Locke is an extrememly decisive, determined runner who would add some badly-needed explosiveness to our backfield. Natural fit as a rotational scatback type.

FireFly
04-05-2011, 03:44 PM
Where is Martez Wilson slated to go?

TheReverend
04-05-2011, 03:53 PM
Where is Martez Wilson slated to go?

Anywhere from late first (from a LB starved desperate team) to late second

epicSocialism4tw
04-05-2011, 03:56 PM
If I could morph Patrick Peterson and Andrew Luck into a superdrafthypefreak, I could win the whole shebang with just that one player. Thank goodness Luck has an effluence of Einstein-like brains to make up for the extreme deficiency in Peterson.

TheReverend
04-05-2011, 03:59 PM
If I could morph Patrick Peterson and Andrew Luck into a superdrafthypefreak, I could win the whole shebang with just that one player. Thank goodness Luck has an effluence of Einstein-like brains to make up for the extreme deficiency in Peterson.

It's a good thing you felt the need to inject that into this thread for absolutely no reason.

Keep up the bad work!

epicSocialism4tw
04-05-2011, 04:02 PM
It's a good thing you felt the need to inject that into this thread for absolutely no reason.

Keep up the bad work!

Patrick Luck...the football apocalypse.

I'm trademarking that nickname when bioengineering finally gives us the goods.

TheReverend
04-05-2011, 04:08 PM
Patrick Luck...the football apocalypse.

I'm trademarking that nickname when bioengineering finally gives us the goods.

Surely there's no hype involved with "Let's ask him to do something he's never really done before, Dareus"

Who was #2 at his spot when the actual FOOTBALL was over.

But whatever

epicSocialism4tw
04-05-2011, 04:12 PM
Surely there's no hype involved with "Let's ask him to do something he's never really done before, Dareus"

Who was #2 at his spot when the actual FOOTBALL was over.

But whatever

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GoBroncos84
04-05-2011, 04:27 PM
1- Marcell Dareus, I think he is the best player at his position, which happens to be our biggest position of need. This pick seems like a no-brainer. He is my favorite player in this draft. We haven't drafted a DT in the first 2 rounds since Trevor Pryce. That explains so many of our defensive problems. This guy plays hard every snap of every game, has great strength, explosion, and technique. Versatile. Tough. Strong work ethic and character. Played well and made plays despite being in a 3 man defensive front dealing with constant double teams, and on an injured ankle almost the entire season. Projecting him as a 3T, where he won't see as many double teams due to being on a 4 man line and having an elite pass rusher coming off of the edge, and him being healthy, is scary.

2- Patrick Peterson. I want Dareus, but I could not possibly be mad at us picking PP. Probably the best CB prospect since Champ Bailey or Charles Woodson. This guy is going to be special

3- Phil Taylor. We need 2-3 new DTs, and if Taylor is there at the top of the 2nd round we should not hesitate to take him. Team him up with Dareus, Dumervil, and Ayers on the starting D-Line and we could have something very special. Great size and strength, with phenomenal movement for his size. He will need to be kept motivated and his weight monitored, but I think he fits the profile of what a Fox defense thrives on. Size and athletic ability

4- Derrick Locke. Homerun speed, very shifty, great vision, runs hard, catches the ball very well, and is a willing blocker (not very effective due to small stature, but the effort is there). He lacks size and has had some injury history, but he would be perfect in a RB rotation. Also a dynamite kick returner. We have no elite speedsters at running back, he would complement Moreno quite well.

5- Kyle Rudolph. The best friends to a young developing QB is a strong defense, a strong running game, and a reliable tight end that can serve as a safety valve converting 3rd downs. I addressed the D and RB position in the other spots. Rudolph could be a reliable target who also has the athleticism to spread the field and make plays down the seam. All around tight end, we wouldn't lose much in terms of blocking by putting him in over Quinn or Gronkowski, but we would add much more in terms of offensive weaponry over those two. We have a great receiver group, but won't be using the spread formations that McD used. Replacing that 3rd or 4th receiver on the field with a receiving tight end makes a ton of sense.


honorable mention: Stephen Paea, Mason Foster, Mark Herzlich, Allen Bailey, Deunta Williams

yerner
04-05-2011, 05:03 PM
I'm going homer pick...Brooks Reed, DE/LB, Arizona.

FireFly
04-05-2011, 05:21 PM
Anywhere from late first (from a LB starved desperate team) to late second

Well if we could get back in to the mid-late 2nd and grab him, I think Martez Wilson would be a good fit for us :strong:

listopencil
04-05-2011, 05:51 PM
Surely there's no hype involved with "Let's ask him to do something he's never really done before, Dareus"

Who was #2 at his spot when the actual FOOTBALL was over.

But whatever

Meh, I am leaning very heavily away from Peterson and towards Dareus. C'mon man. Single digit Wonderlic means the guy will never be anything close to Champ Bailey quality.

Dexter
04-05-2011, 06:08 PM
Marcell Dareus DT

Von Miller OLB

Kyle Rudolph TE

Corey Liuget DT

Stephen Paea DT

We need to come out of this draft with at least one of these D-lineman imo.

SouthStndJunkie
04-05-2011, 06:17 PM
I didn't include Kyle Rudolph on my list, but would not mind Denver drafting him at the top of the 2nd round if he is still on the board.

rugbythug
04-05-2011, 06:19 PM
Anywhere from late first (from a LB starved desperate team) to late second

Based on Past history, Don't be shocked if he falls to 3 or 4.

rugbythug
04-05-2011, 06:25 PM
Vonn Miller-A difference Maker. Does things others can't Requires offenses know exactly where he is and what his plan is on every snap

Marvin Austin-Solid 3 tech. Could end up being the best 3 tech in this draft. Was a better player year before last than either Fairly or Dareus.

Stephen Paea- 4/3 Nose-day one starter. Will never be all world but will start and contribute for many years.

DarkHorse30
04-05-2011, 07:03 PM
Crap didn't expand so I'm quoting myself.

1. Peterson - Will allow our former DB coach DC to be VERY creative with coverages and blitz schemes and run gaps, and provides a game changing threat with the ball in his hands (and it will get there with Champ on the other side).

2. Liuget - PERFECT fit for Fox's defensive scheme, imo, and reminds me a lot of Sed Ellis so our new DC SHOULD be in love with this guy. I don't think his development will take a lot of time because he fits the system so well from my point of view. A penetrator that can create some havoc in the backfield and has shown the ability to stand up double teams time after time.

3. Wilson - Athletic MLB that can play in traffic with speed to cover AND from what I hear is a solid leader capable of taking charge of the defense.

4. Royster - A low cost, high reward player that has fallen from his top ranked prospect spot due to PSU's poor QB play and some SLIGHTLY disappointing measurables. Fact still remains, he plays at a VERY high level and is extremely durable.

5/6. O'Dowd - Capable technician with a mean streak to put some competition on Walton and solidify what was just recently the best OL in the NFL.

5/6. Thornton - DII DT. Known as a penetrator, he's a LATE round sleeper that showed he can play with the big boys at the senior bowl either as getting past blockers into the backfield with a variety of moves, or standing up blockers in the run game. Will need to develop, but is absolutely an effort guy with a bunch of talent.

This.....list is ok by me

lostknight
04-05-2011, 07:07 PM
Marcell Dareus (DT)
Vonn Miller (MLB)
D.J. Williams (TE)
Quinton Carter (FS)
Joe Lefeged (SS)

Kaepernick or Dalton would be acceptable if they ditch Eeyore the QB.

HAT
04-05-2011, 07:11 PM
First round
Patrick Peterson CB
Marcel Dareus

2nd round
Corey Liuget DT
Marvin Austin DT
Stephen Paea DT
Raheem Moore S

3rd round
Jordan Cameron TE

6th round
Derrick Locke RB
Stanley Havili RB/FB

BMarsh615
04-05-2011, 07:14 PM
1. Dareus/Fairley
2. Marvin Austin
2b. Martez Wilson
3. Bruce Carter

2011 starting DL
Doom, Dareus, Austin, Ayers

2011 starting LB's
Bruce Carter at WILL (after his knee heels), DJ in the middle, and Martez at SAM.

Baba Booey
04-05-2011, 07:17 PM
1. Peterson
2. Paea
3. Rahim Moore
4. Kendall Hunter
5. Greg Jones

zdoor
04-05-2011, 07:22 PM
Peterson or Von Miller
Marvin Austin
Stephen Paea
Virgil Green
Taiwan Jones

Could live with Rahim Moore also...

Great13
04-05-2011, 08:06 PM
I didn't include Kyle Rudolph on my list, but would not mind Denver drafting him at the top of the 2nd round if he is still on the board.

I don't see what people are seeing in Rudolph. He looks incredibly slow in most of the footage I've seen of him, and I have a hard time believing he'll get open consistently in the NFL.

HAT
04-05-2011, 08:50 PM
I don't see what people are seeing in Rudolph. He looks incredibly slow in most of the footage I've seen of him, and I have a hard time believing he'll get open consistently in the NFL.

If they take a TE I really hope it's Cameron. I'd love to see this guy in Orange for years to come.



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BroncoMan4ever
04-05-2011, 08:55 PM
I don't see what people are seeing in Rudolph. He looks incredibly slow in most of the footage I've seen of him, and I have a hard time believing he'll get open consistently in the NFL.

i say the same thing. i truly believe our best TE option is Virgil Green. He is not a great blocker but we need a receiving TE not another Graham(we have that in Quinn) but he has really good hands, good size, great speed and would be a consistent threat up the seam. he is the most athletically gifted TE in this draft

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bronco militia
04-05-2011, 09:20 PM
1. Marcel Dareus

2. Marcel Dareus

3. Marcel Dareus

4. Marcel Dareus

5. Marcel Dareus

Baba Booey
04-05-2011, 09:46 PM
Speaking of Virgil Green, another guy from Nevada I wouldn't mind drafting is Dontay Moch.

epicSocialism4tw
04-05-2011, 09:48 PM
1. Marcel Dareus

2. Marcel Dareus

3. Marcel Dareus

4. Marcel Dareus

5. Marcel Dareus

Yeah, I think Dareus is the guy. Its just too good of a fit.

NFLBRONCO
04-05-2011, 09:58 PM
Yeah, I think Dareus is the guy. Its just too good of a fit.


50/50 Dareus or trade down imo. I still can't believe Denver wouldn't move down first if they get a great deal.

DarkHorse
04-05-2011, 10:05 PM
I don't know the rounds these guys are all projected to go in but here are a few guys I like so far.

Dareus or Peterson with #2 - Dareus being 1a as long as he checks out with character.

Ross I Dowling or spelled something like that

Mikel LeShoure - I REALLY want this guy

Cameron Heyward - would love to get ironheads kid

Marvin Austin

epicSocialism4tw
04-05-2011, 10:20 PM
50/50 Dareus or trade down imo. I still can't believe Denver wouldn't move down first if they get a great deal.

What I'd love to see is for Denver to trade back for two mid-first rounders.

That would give them an opportunity to grab both a DT and a DE in the first round.

The mid-first round is the value portion of this draft.

montrose
04-05-2011, 10:22 PM
Of the top guys being mentioned (Peterson, Miller, Bowers, Dareus, Fairley), I can honestly see myself being talked into any one of them.

NFLBRONCO
04-05-2011, 10:23 PM
What I'd love to see is for Denver to trade back for two mid-first rounders.

That would give them an opportunity to grab both a DT and a DE in the first round.

The mid-first round is the value portion of this draft.

We'd need to move down twice or trade with NE

meangene
04-06-2011, 02:36 AM
I don't see what people are seeing in Rudolph. He looks incredibly slow in most of the footage I've seen of him, and I have a hard time believing he'll get open consistently in the NFL.

He played with a bad hamstring all season before tearing it to the point he needed season-ending surgery. If healthy, he is a great prospect.

BroncoMan4ever
04-06-2011, 08:47 AM
What I'd love to see is for Denver to trade back for two mid-first rounders.

That would give them an opportunity to grab both a DT and a DE in the first round.

The mid-first round is the value portion of this draft.

Paea and Quinn.

if that happened in the 1st i would literally

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although, that would be 6 1st round picks in the last 3 years, pretty rough on Pat's wallet

SouthStndJunkie
04-06-2011, 09:35 AM
I don't see what people are seeing in Rudolph. He looks incredibly slow in most of the footage I've seen of him, and I have a hard time believing he'll get open consistently in the NFL.

He is not a speed merchant by any means, but he has great size and will get open in the NFL.

Dude is over 6'6 and 260 pounds....a 4.64 40 time is plenty fast for someone that size.

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BroncoMan4ever
04-06-2011, 09:48 AM
He is not a speed merchant by any means, but he has great size and will get open in the NFL.

Dude is over 6'6 and 260 pounds....a 4.64 40 time is plenty fast for someone that size.

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Virgil Green. 6'5" 250lbs ran a 4.54 40 is a better receiver but lacks the blocking ability Rudolph has, also doesn't have the injury history of Rudolph

plus will be available in the 3rd and possibly later so we can focus on defense in the 1st 2 rounds

TheReverend
04-06-2011, 09:53 AM
Meh, I am leaning very heavily away from Peterson and towards Dareus. C'mon man. Single digit Wonderlic means the guy will never be anything close to Champ Bailey quality.

Rod Woodson scored even lower and he's a HoF'er.

LonghornBronco
04-06-2011, 10:13 AM
Marcell Dareas is the biggest no brainer pick since Ryan Clady!

Beantown Bronco
04-06-2011, 10:20 AM
Marcell Dareas is the biggest no brainer pick since Ryan Clady!

Actually, since they got VERY similar wonderlic scores, shouldn't it read:

Peterson is the biggest no brain pick since Ryan Clady!

TheReverend
04-06-2011, 10:26 AM
Actually, since they got VERY similar wonderlic scores, shouldn't it read:

Peterson is the biggest no brain pick since Ryan Clady!

I lol'd.

Also, do people think Dareus is a rocket scientist or curing cancer in his off time?

Keep in mind, DAREUS is the guy that's so ****ing stupid he got suspended by the NCAA for something blatantly in violation (partying with agents last year on their dime). Do I think that's wrong? No. Is it obviously against the NCAA rules? **** yes.

TheReverend
04-06-2011, 10:32 AM
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Dude you keep talking about the hype train with Peterson, but he's NOT the one being over hyped.

How about we look at actual football awards?

Peterson:

* 2010 First-Team Walter Camp All-American
* 2010 Thorpe Award Winner
* 2010 Bednarik Award Winner
* 2010 SEC Defensive Player of the Year
* 2010 Preseason All-American (TSN, Playboy, Athlon, Lindy's, Phil Steele)
* 2009 Second-Team All-America (TSN)
* 2009 First-Team All-SEC (ESPN)
* 2009 Second-Team All-SEC (AP, Coaches)
* 2007 High School Defensive Player of the Year (USA Today)

Dareus:

* None

So who's over-hyped, again?

epicSocialism4tw
04-06-2011, 10:36 AM
Dude you keep talking about the hype train with Peterson, but he's NOT the one being over hyped.

How about we look at actual football awards?

Peterson:

* 2010 First-Team Walter Camp All-American
* 2010 Thorpe Award Winner
* 2010 Bednarik Award Winner
* 2010 SEC Defensive Player of the Year
* 2010 Preseason All-American (TSN, Playboy, Athlon, Lindy's, Phil Steele)
* 2009 Second-Team All-America (TSN)
* 2009 First-Team All-SEC (ESPN)
* 2009 Second-Team All-SEC (AP, Coaches)
* 2007 High School Defensive Player of the Year (USA Today)

Dareus:

* None

So who's over-hyped, again?

Ha!

So some of his accomplishmets merit your carrying his water like a three year old with a DJ Lance wardrobe?

Oh, and you forgot to mention one that Dareus won: National Championship Game MVP. Or maybe you left that one out on purpose.

BroncoInferno
04-06-2011, 10:37 AM
I lol'd.

Also, do people think Dareus is a rocket scientist or curing cancer in his off time?

Keep in mind, DAREUS is the guy that's so ****ing stupid he got suspended by the NCAA for something blatantly in violation (partying with agents last year on their dime). Do I think that's wrong? No. Is it obviously against the NCAA rules? **** yes.

My biggest concern with Dareus is the short shelf life of top DTs relative to top players at other positions and the fact that Dareus was slowed by nagging injuries at Alabama. I want a guy with the 2nd overall pick who can play at a high level for a dozen years, and that's EXTREMELY rare for top DTs. Most of them flame out after about 4 or 5 high quality seasons. For instance, Kris Jenkins. Dominated for 3-4 years, and has battled injuries for the last half decade or so. Those guys just take so much abuse. I am pretty confident that Dareus will avoid being a bust because he's technically sound, whereas most of your DT busts are guys who relied on their superior athleticism in college, but I am not confident we can count on him being an elite player for 10-12 years like I am with Peterson and Vonn Miller.

TheReverend
04-06-2011, 10:46 AM
Ha!

So some of his accomplishmets merit your carrying his water like a three year old with a DJ Lance wardrobe?

Oh, and you forgot to mention one that Dareus won: National Championship Game MVP. Or maybe you left that one out on purpose.

No. I'm big on Peterson because I think he's the best player in the draft and we might have a chance to get him.

His career resume and measurables back that up.

And good for Dareus. Not only am I extremely impressed that he managed to only play TWO whole years of college football, but I'm also impressed that he won zero awards in the same conference Peterson needs extra shelf room to hold his.

It IS good to see he showed in a big game though (seriously).

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
04-06-2011, 10:48 AM
No. I'm big on Peterson because I think he's the best player in the draft and we might have a chance to get him.

His career resume and measurables back that up.

And good for Dareus. Not only am I extremely impressed that he managed to only play TWO whole years of college football, but I'm also impressed that he won zero awards in the same conference Peterson needs extra shelf room to hold his.

It IS good to see he showed in a big game though (seriously).

Part of that is due to the fact that Dareus is a true junior.

TheReverend
04-06-2011, 10:49 AM
My biggest concern with Dareus is the short shelf life of top DTs relative to top players at other positions and the fact that Dareus was slowed by nagging injuries at Alabama. I want a guy with the 2nd overall pick who can play at a high level for a dozen years, and that's EXTREMELY rare for top DTs. Most of them flame out after about 4 or 5 high quality seasons. For instance, Kris Jenkins. Dominated for 3-4 years, and has battled injuries for the last half decade or so. Those guys just take so much abuse. I am pretty confident that Dareus will avoid being a bust because he's technically sound, whereas most of your DT busts are guys who relied on their superior athleticism in college, but I am not confident we can count on him being an elite player for 10-12 years like I am with Peterson and Vonn Miller.

This, also.

I like Dareus a lot as an overall football player. I do think Liuget/Fairley fit Fox's defense better, but who's to say Fox will be coaching here for the next decade, so I'm all for grabbing the guy that's the best overall football player at the position and Dareus seems to have the most rounded skill set by far.

That being said, the DT shelf life and ridiculously high bust rate make me even more wary of drafting for need at #2 when great prospects and system fits will still be available in the 2nd.

TheReverend
04-06-2011, 10:50 AM
Part of that is due to the fact that Dareus is a true junior.

EXACTLY. Two years of collegiate game experience at a position that often requires several years to develop in the NFL.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

TheReverend
04-06-2011, 10:53 AM
Also, fwiw, Peterson was a true junior...

Only he was the guy named SEC DPOY, first team all american and SEC while Dareus..... welllllll not so much.

epicSocialism4tw
04-06-2011, 11:05 AM
No. I'm big on Peterson because I think he's the best player in the draft and we might have a chance to get him.

His career resume and measurables back that up.

And good for Dareus. Not only am I extremely impressed that he managed to only play TWO whole years of college football, but I'm also impressed that he won zero awards in the same conference Peterson needs extra shelf room to hold his.

It IS good to see he showed in a big game though (seriously).

Goodness, you're a fool.

TheReverend
04-06-2011, 11:10 AM
Goodness, you're a fool.

Way to bring something to the discussion.

Facts:

Dareus didn't have that good of a collegiate career.
Dareus has only played 2 years at a position that takes significant developmental time (and not at ALL in the spot he'd play here)

Your response: Peterson (the guy with the actual game performance and awards) is over-hyped and I'm a fool.

Got it.

epicSocialism4tw
04-06-2011, 11:37 AM
Dareus didn't have that good of a collegiate career.

Ha!

Nothing else needs to be said.

I dont even have to call you a fool for you to prove yourself one. LOL

TheReverend
04-06-2011, 11:50 AM
Ha!

Nothing else needs to be said.

I dont even have to call you a fool for you to prove yourself one. LOL

Are you kidding or serious?

Even in 2010's all SEC team, Fairley and Nevis were voted unanimously above him. In 2009, his biggest "impact" season (despite starting only 4 games), he didn't crack the top 6 (Cody, Williams, Atkins, Peters, Powe and Sheppard).

Granted they were asked to do different things, but Fairley beat out Dareus' entire career in just one year last season. You're talking about a guy who netted 40 solo tackles over 3 years of college football.

To compound that, Dareus has only played a 0 and a 5, and has no real experience in a 1 or 3 like he'd be playing here.

Do I like Dareus and think he will succeed? Absolutely

But you act like he isn't carrying many questions marks with him to a team like this.

Regardless, by all means:

PLEASE POST SOMETHING TO SUPPORT YOUR "POINT"

DarkHorse
04-06-2011, 12:30 PM
So are there only a handful of us that are worried about the bust rate of Top 10 d-linemen over the years in the NFL?


Dareus is the guy that I want if we're headstrong about taking d-line with #2 but Peterson is the guy that I would rather see taken. Use the second round to take d-line, in a very deep d-line draft I might add.

phibacka31
04-06-2011, 12:33 PM
1. Patrick Peterson
2. Liuget/Phil Taylor
3. Rahim Moore
4. Mason Foster
5. Lance Kendricks

phibacka31
04-06-2011, 12:35 PM
This is also why I really do LOVE the draft. I have more than these 5 guys ( some that I know the Broncos won't draft) that I am very interested in as pros. I am STOKED for the draft... Wish it was this weekend!

Pick Six
04-06-2011, 01:20 PM
The Broncos should take a look at RB Daniel Thomas of Kansas State. He doesn't get tackled, very easily. He wastes no time finding the holes...


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serious hops
04-06-2011, 01:23 PM
My biggest concern with Dareus is the short shelf life of top DTs relative to top players at other positions and the fact that Dareus was slowed by nagging injuries at Alabama. I want a guy with the 2nd overall pick who can play at a high level for a dozen years, and that's EXTREMELY rare for top DTs. Most of them flame out after about 4 or 5 high quality seasons. For instance, Kris Jenkins. Dominated for 3-4 years, and has battled injuries for the last half decade or so. Those guys just take so much abuse. I am pretty confident that Dareus will avoid being a bust because he's technically sound, whereas most of your DT busts are guys who relied on their superior athleticism in college, but I am not confident we can count on him being an elite player for 10-12 years like I am with Peterson and Vonn Miller.

I don't know about that. Look at guys like Casey Hampton, Jamaal Williams, Kelly Gregg, Marcus Stroud, Ryan Pickett, Jason Ferguson, Shaun Rogers-- all quality run stuffers late into their careers, despite JWall being on his last legs now. Look how long Ted Washington played. Tony Siragusa played 12 years. There are plenty of examples. How many recent examples can you come up with of corners that played at a high level longer than those guys? Sure, freaks like Rod Woodson and Darrell Green come to mind, but Hall of Fame players aren't your average schmoe, obviously. I think of how bad guys like Sam Madison and Pat Surtain were in their last few years, and have to question whether that position actually has a longer shelf life.

NFLBRONCO
04-06-2011, 01:23 PM
If I was picking at 2 I'd take Peterson but, I expect Denver to draft Dareus or Miller. I'm starting to wonder if (WE CAN) move down would be the best route and grab (Dareus Miller or Peterson) 4 or 5 they all would help us. Plus give us more ammo to bolster D more in round 2.

TheReverend
04-06-2011, 01:42 PM
I don't know about that. Look at guys like Casey Hampton, Jamaal Williams, Kelly Gregg, Marcus Stroud, Ryan Pickett, Jason Ferguson, Shaun Rogers-- all quality run stuffers late into their careers, despite JWall being on his last legs now. Look how long Ted Washington played. Tony Siragusa played 12 years. There are plenty of examples. How many recent examples can you come up with of corners that played at a high level longer than those guys? Sure, freaks like Rod Woodson and Darrell Green come to mind, but Hall of Fame players aren't your average schmoe, obviously. I think of how bad guys like Sam Madison and Pat Surtain were in their last few years, and have to question whether that position actually has a longer shelf life.

1. Did you notice you didn't mention 1 single 43 player (outside of Rogers several years ago)? You should've mentioned someone like Kevin Williams...

2. Half the guys you mentioned haven't had success in years...

As for corners playing well for their careers...

You forgot current perennial pro-bowlers: Champ, Asante Sammuel, Winfield and Newman just went to the pro bowl at 33 and 32 respectively, last year Al Harris and Ronde Barder were in the pro bowl at 36 and 35 years old, etc. And I didn't even mention Deion or Ty Law. Hell even Nnamdi is about to turn 30 (same draft class as Kevin Williams)

Quite frankly the best players at the CB position that are old drastically outnumber the younger crop of Revis, DRC, Ross, etc.

Pony Boy
04-06-2011, 01:57 PM
The Broncos should take a look at RB Daniel Thomas of Kansas State. He doesn't get tackled, very easily. He wastes no time finding the holes...

You'll get to see a lot of Daniel Thomas, the Chiefs will get him before he drops to us.

serious hops
04-06-2011, 02:27 PM
1. Did you notice you didn't mention 1 single 43 player (outside of Rogers several years ago)? You should've mentioned someone like Kevin Williams...

Pat Williams plays in the 43. Ryan Pickett did a few years ago, so did Marcus Stroud and Shaun Rogers. More to the point, who says we're going to play the 43 for the next ten or twelve years?


2. Half the guys you mentioned haven't had success in years...

Ferguson is effectively retired-- the rest of those guys are still going pretty strong for their age. All still effective gap controllers.

You forgot current perennial pro-bowlers: Champ, Asante Sammuel, Winfield and Newman just went to the pro bowl at 33 and 32 respectively, last year Al Harris and Ronde Barder were in the pro bowl at 36 and 35 years old, etc. And I didn't even mention Deion or Ty Law. Hell even Nnamdi is about to turn 30 (same draft class as Kevin Williams)

Quite frankly the best players at the CB position that are old drastically outnumber the younger crop of Revis, DRC, Ross, etc.

Samuel was 29 last season, I'm looking at guys past thirty. Al Harris is a good example. Newman is in big time decline, I don't care about the Pro Bowl. Champ is a freak-- I don't use him as a comparison for other players. As far as I'm concerned my point stands-- I don't see tons of corners playing at a high level that much deeper in their careers than gap-clogging DLs. Can we name individual examples back and forth all day, and argue each one? Sure, but I'm not going to waste time on it. If we were talking about running back I might be concerned, but over the years I've seen good DTs provide as many productive years as most other positions.

rugbythug
04-06-2011, 02:40 PM
1. Did you notice you didn't mention 1 single 43 player (outside of Rogers several years ago)? You should've mentioned someone like Kevin Williams...

2. Half the guys you mentioned haven't had success in years...

As for corners playing well for their careers...

You forgot current perennial pro-bowlers: Champ, Asante Sammuel, Winfield and Newman just went to the pro bowl at 33 and 32 respectively, last year Al Harris and Ronde Barder were in the pro bowl at 36 and 35 years old, etc. And I didn't even mention Deion or Ty Law. Hell even Nnamdi is about to turn 30 (same draft class as Kevin Williams)

Quite frankly the best players at the CB position that are old drastically outnumber the younger crop of Revis, DRC, Ross, etc.

You. Have changed my mind. I am becoming propeterson

Although I think vonn miller is stilll my favorite

TheReverend
04-06-2011, 02:53 PM
Pat Williams plays in the 43. Ryan Pickett did a few years ago, so did Marcus Stroud and Shaun Rogers. More to the point, who says we're going to play the 43 for the next ten or twelve years?

Yes, Pat Williams DOES play in a 43. Thank you for using the examples I gave you.

Pickett was awful in a 4-3. Later in your post you say you don't care about pro bowls... which is pretty obvious considering Pickett can't even average a sack per season and was even replaced by CJ Wilson at the end of the regular season.

Stroud just supports MY point. He used to be the best DT in the league. Now he's effing abysmal.

I brought up Rogers earlier, but he hasn't played at a high level since 2008... in fact, he got replaced as a starter last year and only rotated in for a few snaps per game.


Ferguson is effectively retired-- the rest of those guys are still going pretty strong for their age. All still effective gap controllers.

Casey Hampton yes, the rest? Not even close.

Samuel was 29 last season, I'm looking at guys past thirty

Weird... your original point was how long they last in the league and not a flat age requirement. He and Nnamdi have played as long as Kevin Williams (8 years), but sure, let's take them off the list and I'll just bump it when they hit the pro bowl this coming year.

Al Harris is a good example. Newman is in big time decline, I don't care about the Pro Bowl.

LOL

Newman kinda just had the best season of his career...

Champ is a freak-- I don't use him as a comparison for other players. As far as I'm concerned my point stands-- I don't see tons of corners playing at a high level that much deeper in their careers than gap-clogging DLs. Can we name individual examples back and forth all day, and argue each one? Sure, but I'm not going to waste time on it. If we were talking about running back I might be concerned, but over the years I've seen good DTs provide as many productive years as most other positions.

You really can't name that many examples because they just don't exist much for DTs... especially 4-3 DTs. In fact, Williams and Sapp are the only long lasting DTs of the past decade that I can think of.

TheReverend
04-06-2011, 02:54 PM
You. Have changed my mind. I am becoming propeterson

Although I think vonn miller is stilll my favorite

I'm really warming on Miller, but I still hate him as a fit here (would absolutely be a talent upgrade, but seems like the majority of his skill set would be wasted).

worm
04-06-2011, 03:08 PM
1st round: BPA regardless of position (most likely Peterson)

2nd round: BPA regardless of position

Drafting for need in the first two rounds is a death wish.

TheReverend
04-06-2011, 03:09 PM
1st round: BPA regardless of position (most likely Peterson)

2nd round: BPA regardless of position

Drafting for need in the first two rounds is a death wish.

Fully agree. Especially when our first 2nd round pick the BPA will most likely be a DT, imo, perfectly filling need too.

Pony Boy
04-06-2011, 03:14 PM
1st pick Marcell Dareus or Nick Fairley

2nd pick Rahim Moore

3rd pick (best running back on the board)

JDB7821
04-06-2011, 04:43 PM
1st round: BPA regardless of position (most likely Peterson)

2nd round: BPA regardless of position

Drafting for need in the first two rounds is a death wish.

Thomas Dimitroff's philosophy is to draft the best player available at a position of need. I completely agree with it. Since you can say every position on defense is a position of need for the Broncos, the person that best sums that up is Patrick Peterson.

zdoor
04-06-2011, 07:51 PM
I'm really warming on Miller, but I still hate him as a fit here (would absolutely be a talent upgrade, but seems like the majority of his skill set would be wasted).

I think on 3rd down Miller rushing from LB on Doom's side would be pretty cool...

FireFly
04-06-2011, 07:55 PM
I didn't include Kyle Rudolph on my list, but would not mind Denver drafting him at the top of the 2nd round if he is still on the board.

I'd be very happy with this. A solid TE could do wonders for Tebow's development

TheReverend
04-06-2011, 08:02 PM
I think on 3rd down Miller rushing from LB on Doom's side would be pretty cool...

Don't get me wrong, I fully agree.

But I see two issues with that:

1. We would still need another coverage LB even in that situation

2. Is that blitzing him enough to really utilize his pass rush ability to it's fullest potential?

And I'd probably rather him come from the other side so they can flush the QB into each other and not give him obvious rollout/waggle opportunities.

zdoor
04-06-2011, 08:30 PM
I think they'd move him around in Nickle and he'd always have to be accounted for. I think he'll be a force. I prefer Peterson, but he is my 2nd my choice if we stay at 2.

I'd rather trade if we can load up picks while staying in the top 10, than take Peterson or Miller. We have a lot of holes...

Dexter
04-06-2011, 08:39 PM
Am I the only one that would be disappointed with Rahim Moore in the 2nd? This safety class SUCKS, there is way better talent we could get with our 2nd rounders. DT, CB, LB, RB, TE, OL. I'd wait until next years draft to grab a safety, or maybe the third round this year.

NFLBRONCO
04-06-2011, 08:48 PM
Am I the only one that would be disappointed with Rahim Moore in the 2nd? This safety class SUCKS, there is way better talent we could get with our 2nd rounders. DT, CB, LB, RB, TE, OL. I'd wait until next years draft to grab a safety, or maybe the third round this year.

I agree I only want (DE DT LB OG OT RB/TE CB) positions addressed.

oubronco
04-07-2011, 06:27 AM
1. Marcel Dareus

2. Marcel Dareus

3. Marcel Dareus

4. Marcel Dareus

5. Marcel Dareus

Yep :strong:

Beantown Bronco
04-07-2011, 07:48 AM
Pat Williams plays in the 43. Ryan Pickett did a few years ago, so did Marcus Stroud and Shaun Rogers. More to the point, who says we're going to play the 43 for the next ten or twelve years?




Ferguson is effectively retired-- the rest of those guys are still going pretty strong for their age. All still effective gap controllers.



Samuel was 29 last season, I'm looking at guys past thirty. Al Harris is a good example. Newman is in big time decline, I don't care about the Pro Bowl. Champ is a freak-- I don't use him as a comparison for other players. As far as I'm concerned my point stands-- I don't see tons of corners playing at a high level that much deeper in their careers than gap-clogging DLs. Can we name individual examples back and forth all day, and argue each one? Sure, but I'm not going to waste time on it. If we were talking about running back I might be concerned, but over the years I've seen good DTs provide as many productive years as most other positions.

One thing you are completely ignoring in your argument is this: player rotation. How often are your old geezer DTs even on the field? 50% of the defensive snaps, 25%? NONE are in on 100%. I think it's safe to say that all of the older CBs mentioned are. They simply don't come off the field.

LonghornBronco
04-07-2011, 08:45 AM
The way I see it DT has been our biggest weakness for two or more years, and the drafts highest rated prospect according to Mayock and several others is a complete DT in Dareus.... NO BRAINER!!!

BroncoInferno
04-07-2011, 08:53 AM
One thing you are completely ignoring in your argument is this: player rotation. How often are your old geezer DTs even on the field? 50% of the defensive snaps, 25%? NONE are in on 100%. I think it's safe to say that all of the older CBs mentioned are. They simply don't come off the field.

Most of the guys he named, with the exception of Pat Williams, haven't played at a high level in several seasons. Sure, some guys can hang around for awhile and do OK in a rotation, but most DTs are done as top level players by 30. There are a few exceptions, but not very many.

TheReverend
04-07-2011, 08:55 AM
The way I see it DT has been our biggest weakness for two or more years, and the drafts highest rated prospect according to Mayock and several others is a complete DT in Dareus.... NO BRAINER!!!

Good point.

-Last year he had McCoy over Suh
-The year before Alphonso Smith was his #1 corner
-The year before THAT he was the driving force on Branden Albert being a high Tackle selection
-The year before that... well, I'll let him speak for himself: "Mayock: JaMarcus Russell's ceiling is as high as any quarterback I have seen coming out of college since John Elway."

Mayock has fallen off BIG time, and puts more effort into being a contrarian than a draft expert these days. In fact, the MAIN reason the OM loves him so much was because he was the one who "discovered" Cutler as a top tier player. Which is odd because most **** on Cutler now.

Drek
04-07-2011, 09:14 AM
Avoiding the popular names already mentioned, a few guys I'd like:

Ross Homan, OSU - Would be a worthwhile addition to the LB mix, likely as a SOLB. That has been his role at OSU. Has shown the ability to take on a TE and still do good work in the running game and to cover solidly if needed on a receiving TE. Under the radar but at the combine displayed that his on the field strength and quickness are NFL caliber. Draft him in the middle rounds and I wouldn't be surprised at all if by season's end we find that he's a quality starting SOLB long term.

DJ Williams, TE from Arkansas - Great athleticism and can really catch. Will take some work to make it as an in line blocker but he's probably a middle rounder. Better value than Rudolph. Jordan Cameron would also fit here to a similar extent. We have a couple inline blockers in Quinn and Gronkowski (if we bring him back), a guy who can work as Tebow's safety valve and make plays with the ball would be nice.

Jordan Todman RB, UCON - He'd be a great complimentary home run hitter to go with Moreno. Give him return duties and a handful of carries and he'd pay off.

Alex Green, RB, Hawaii - big bodied RB with good straight line speed and hands. Would be a good short yardage grinder to go with the above RB and Moreno.

Just a few later rounders I'm keeping an eye on.

TheReverend
04-07-2011, 09:29 AM
Avoiding the popular names already mentioned, a few guys I'd like:

Ross Homan, OSU - Would be a worthwhile addition to the LB mix, likely as a SOLB. That has been his role at OSU. Has shown the ability to take on a TE and still do good work in the running game and to cover solidly if needed on a receiving TE. Under the radar but at the combine displayed that his on the field strength and quickness are NFL caliber. Draft him in the middle rounds and I wouldn't be surprised at all if by season's end we find that he's a quality starting SOLB long term.

DJ Williams, TE from Arkansas - Great athleticism and can really catch. Will take some work to make it as an in line blocker but he's probably a middle rounder. Better value than Rudolph. Jordan Cameron would also fit here to a similar extent. We have a couple inline blockers in Quinn and Gronkowski (if we bring him back), a guy who can work as Tebow's safety valve and make plays with the ball would be nice.

Jordan Todman RB, UCON - He'd be a great complimentary home run hitter to go with Moreno. Give him return duties and a handful of carries and he'd pay off.

Alex Green, RB, Hawaii - big bodied RB with good straight line speed and hands. Would be a good short yardage grinder to go with the above RB and Moreno.

Just a few later rounders I'm keeping an eye on.

Agree that DJ Williams would be a great fit in Denver.

Wonder how the hell they'd work the jerseys for DJ Williams and DJ Williams...?

Beantown Bronco
04-07-2011, 09:31 AM
Agree that DJ Williams would be a great fit in Denver.

Wonder how the hell they'd work the jerseys for DJ Williams and DJ Williams...?

The current DJ should just change his to DUI. Fans would have no trouble telling them apart at that point.

iforgotmypassword
04-07-2011, 09:57 AM
Im with Peterson or Fairley, and wouldnt mind Darius

2. MARVIN AUSTIN would be sooo stoked, but theres tons of DT's DE's that could fall here be great pickups pea or watson would work for me

2b. Still stuck on Dline with this pick... seems like 1 or 2 sould fall

after that I love Danial Thomas, Owen Maricek the do it all character guy, Alex Henery(kicker/punter!) DJ Williams at TE.... wish sczecar (sp?) from Villanova would have ditched baseball he was my biggest sleeper.

Late round steal at S... Johnson from Boise.

No Olineman really jump out at me except late 1st rounders... which is too early for us to be looking at them.

Great13
04-07-2011, 09:59 AM
He is not a speed merchant by any means, but he has great size and will get open in the NFL.

Dude is over 6'6 and 260 pounds....a 4.64 40 time is plenty fast for someone that size.

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I see he uses his size to his advantage, but I didn't see the 4.6 forty in that video. Except maybe the really grainy footage against Syracuse or Illinois (orange helmets). Although I did see a post where someone mentioned a hamstring injury he was dealing with.

Either way... I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, because I don't see him exploding out of his breaks or after the catch, and in the NFL the linebackers are going to be faster and more disciplined in coverage than most of the guys he faced in college. He reminds me of Leonard Pope without the body catching. Too many explosive pass catching TEs in this draft to take a chance on this guy high in the draft (2nd rd).. IMO.

TheReverend
04-07-2011, 10:16 AM
Im with Peterson or Fairley, and wouldnt mind Darius

2. MARVIN AUSTIN would be sooo stoked, but theres tons of DT's DE's that could fall here be great pickups pea or watson would work for me

2b. Still stuck on Dline with this pick... seems like 1 or 2 sould fall

after that I love Danial Thomas, Owen Maricek the do it all character guy, Alex Henery(kicker/punter!) DJ Williams at TE.... wish sczecar (sp?) from Villanova would have ditched baseball he was my biggest sleeper.

Late round steal at S... Johnson from Boise.

No Olineman really jump out at me except late 1st rounders... which is too early for us to be looking at them.

I like Austin's talent but our 2nd is too early to take someone that's proven himself to be completely selfish.

My IDEAL draft day would go:

1. Peterson
2. Liuget (* Most likely scenario to nab is CBA gets fixed and we trade Orton and our first two to move up to grab him)
2. Martez Wilson (probably long gone by now, but doesnt deserve to be)
3. Austin
6. Evan Royster
7. Cedric Thornton

That's secondary and LB talent for the D. A great compliment to Knowshon at RB and THREE hyper athletic and great system fits for the DT position.

Allen would have to be awful to mess up a D with that kind of talent.

Dexter
04-07-2011, 10:42 AM
I like Austin's talent but our 2nd is too early to take someone that's proven himself to be completely selfish.

My IDEAL draft day would go:

1. Peterson
2. Liuget (* Most likely scenario to nab is CBA gets fixed and we trade Orton and our first two to move up to grab him)
2. Martez Wilson (probably long gone by now, but doesnt deserve to be)
3. Austin
6. Evan Royster
7. Cedric Thornton

That's secondary and LB talent for the D. A great compliment to Knowshon at RB and THREE hyper athletic and great system fits for the DT position.

Allen would have to be awful to mess up a D with that kind of talent.

I would be stoked with this draft. I don't see how Austin lasts until the 3rd. It doesn't sound like the CBA will be fixed by draft time either so I think trading Orton to move up is out of the question. Only pick here I'm not a big fan of i though is Martez Wilson, as I'd rather have Mason Foster. Wilson isn't that great of a tackler imo.

Requiem
04-08-2011, 01:11 PM
Am I the only one that would be disappointed with Rahim Moore in the 2nd? This safety class SUCKS, there is way better talent we could get with our 2nd rounders. DT, CB, LB, RB, TE, OL. I'd wait until next years draft to grab a safety, or maybe the third round this year.

I'd be disappointed with him as well, especially because there is so much more value at other positions.

I'd also be extremely disappointed with Kyle Rudolph in the second round, too. I am praying every night that some team like Atlanta is dumb enough to grab a guy who can barely run a 4.8, missed 7 games last year and several the season prior due to injury. The last thing the Broncos need is to take another guy with an injury history.

You want a tight end? Take Virgil Green, the more athletic of the two prospects, and overall a way better pass catcher. More productive in college, had awesome numbers at the combine and everything else matches up.

The only Rudolph fans on the board have to be Irish fans or simply just crazy. Advocating using an early pick on a guy with that many question marks is beyond stupid.

Requiem
04-08-2011, 01:12 PM
Wilson is probably the best ILB in this class, but that isn't really saying much. If people don't like D.J. Williams @ MIKE because of a lack of instincts, you probably aren't going to like Wilson that much -- or shouldn't.

A much bigger fan of Mason Foster, because he can play MIKE as well as the other spots. He's just a safe bet as a prospect. Hope he is there for us at the top or middle of round two. People are projecting him to make a Barnett move up draft boards.

gyldenlove
04-08-2011, 02:06 PM
Don't get me wrong, I fully agree.

But I see two issues with that:

1. We would still need another coverage LB even in that situation

2. Is that blitzing him enough to really utilize his pass rush ability to it's fullest potential?

And I'd probably rather him come from the other side so they can flush the QB into each other and not give him obvious rollout/waggle opportunities.

Von Miller has to play the same position Brian Orakpo did before Shanny took over in Washington, he has to rush the passer or run blitz about 30-40% of the snaps, play short zones another 30-40% and drop into coverage about 20-30%, he can do all 3, but you need to utilize his abilities to penetrate the most. He would in essence become the Joker in a 4-3, you move him around to create missmatches and throw off the offense.

gyldenlove
04-08-2011, 02:06 PM
Good point.

-Last year he had McCoy over Suh
-The year before Alphonso Smith was his #1 corner
-The year before THAT he was the driving force on Branden Albert being a high Tackle selection
-The year before that... well, I'll let him speak for himself: "Mayock: JaMarcus Russell's ceiling is as high as any quarterback I have seen coming out of college since John Elway."

Mayock has fallen off BIG time, and puts more effort into being a contrarian than a draft expert these days. In fact, the MAIN reason the OM loves him so much was because he was the one who "discovered" Cutler as a top tier player. Which is odd because most **** on Cutler now.



You forget that Robert Ayers was his top ranked defensive player 2 years ago.

Dexter
04-08-2011, 02:14 PM
Wilson is probably the best ILB in this class, but that isn't really saying much. If people don't like D.J. Williams @ MIKE because of a lack of instincts, you probably aren't going to like Wilson that much -- or shouldn't.

A much bigger fan of Mason Foster, because he can play MIKE as well as the other spots. He's just a safe bet as a prospect. Hope he is there for us at the top or middle of round two. People are projecting him to make a Barnett move up draft boards.

Agree with highlighted. Mason Foster or bust. I like Bruce Carter, but he is 1) a bit raw, 2) coming off an injury. He's got great size and speed though, and also seems to be an above average tackler.

I'm a bit higher on Rudolph because I think he's got good enough speed, great body control, and the ability to block, but I can see the arguments made against him.

Personally this is kinda what I'd like to see:

1) Dareus/ Peterson or hopefully trade down a few spots and still get either.
2) Best available DT or CB
2) Mason Foster
3) Best OL prospect available.

TE/RB/S are things we can get later in the draft or through free agency.

orange crusher
04-08-2011, 11:12 PM
1) Marcel Dareus
2a) Marvin Austin, Stephen Paea
2b) Rahim Moore, Bruce Carter, Dontay Moch
3) Greg Jones, Daniel Thomas, Ryan Williams

Some other guys I wouldn't mind in Orange:

Casey Mathews
Owen Marecic
Colin McCarthy

Hamrob
04-09-2011, 01:24 PM
I think we could get 4 of these guys if we work it out right. (DT/DE/TE/RB/MLB): Biggest Needs Addressed!

1. Dareus
2. Clayborn/Haywood
3. Rudolph
4. Leshoure
5. Martez Wilson

TheReverend
04-09-2011, 01:42 PM
You forget that Robert Ayers was his top ranked defensive player 2 years ago.

I PROMISE I haven't forgotten.

But I also have raved about Ayers since pre draft as a 4-3 LDE

Now we'll see how he does with it.

NFLBRONCO
04-09-2011, 01:47 PM
I'm beginning to think Miller is the guy as everyday passes

THE719!
04-09-2011, 02:01 PM
all of them can be defense of players I will be happy.... and I also would like Reggie Rembert in the later rounds

uplink
04-09-2011, 05:20 PM
As long as the 1st pick is a starter from day one, that is good enough for me. Who would be a starter from day one IMO: Dareus, Peterson, Miller, Prince ..., not sure if there is another sure bet starter.

TheReverend
04-09-2011, 06:23 PM
As long as the 1st pick is a starter from day one, that is good enough for me. Who would be a starter from day one IMO: Dareus, Peterson, Miller, Prince ..., not sure if there is another sure bet starter.

Ugh. I'd rather get Ras-I Dowling than Fresh Prince.

Requiem
04-09-2011, 06:35 PM
If we are going to be playing a lot of zone, Davon House is my CB guy I'm looking at in round two or three.

Beantown Bronco
04-10-2011, 12:37 PM
As long as the 1st pick is a starter from day one, that is good enough for me. Who would be a starter from day one IMO: Dareus, Peterson, Miller, Prince ..., not sure if there is another sure bet starter.

I'd honestly have a hard time naming a defensive player predicted to go in round one that COULDN'T start from day one on this unit.

razorwire77
04-10-2011, 12:53 PM
If we are going to be playing a lot of zone, Davon House is my CB guy I'm looking at in round two or three.

Good call on Davon House. Watched him play for a horrible NMSU team a couple of times, and the kid is big, physical and has good instincts. He'd be a no-brainer pick in the 3rd round, but I think he goes somewhere in the top half of the 2nd round. I wouldn't be pissed if we took him with 2B, assuming we address front seven with 1st and 2A.

Dedhed
04-10-2011, 01:44 PM
Peterson
Von Miller
Phil Taylor
Kyle Rudolph
Mason Foster

TheReverend
04-10-2011, 02:04 PM
Wish this thread got more action. It's a great idea for discussion.

DarkHorse
04-10-2011, 02:07 PM
I don't understand the Von Miller desire, isn't he a ROLB - same as DJ Williams should/will be playing?

Someone please explain how the LB unit would look with Miller on board.

phibacka31
04-10-2011, 02:07 PM
I know I'm an Iowa homer, but someone I wouldn't mind seeing as a UDFA is TE Allen Reisner. Good receiving TE that can block alright

iforgotmypassword
04-10-2011, 02:12 PM
Im onto the Mason Foster bandwagon. Seems like he has some attitude, which you NEED in the middle.

iforgotmypassword
04-10-2011, 02:16 PM
any U fans have some insight on McCarthy? I mean I know he looks alot like eddie mac.. but other then that?

Requiem
04-10-2011, 02:22 PM
Im onto the Mason Foster bandwagon. Seems like he has some attitude, which you NEED in the middle.

I'm glad they are bringing him in (or have) for a closer look. His versatility at all three spots, and the INSTINCTS to play the middle are a great reason for him to be selected. I do think he has Pro-Bowl ability. I'd prefer his value at #46, but if we did address DL first, I'd be fine with him at#36.

razorwire77
04-10-2011, 02:33 PM
With all of the needs on defense, RT is getting overlooked. There is probably going to be a run on RT/G/C in rounds 2-3. According to NBC Denver is unlikely to extend Ryan Harris.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/42434301/sports/player_news

Clady is Clady and Kuper is solid, but who's going to protect Tebow's blindside assuming he starts? Beadles is a decent rotational guy, Walton is young, but got worked over pretty good last year.

Pouncey, Gilbert, Solder from CU (assuming he moves to RT) are all potential 2B picks too.

Requiem
04-10-2011, 03:37 PM
I've always thought OL was going to be addressed.

Danny Watkins and Ben Ijalana are apparently being given looks. Watkins projects to guard, Ijalana at RT. Watkins is old for a rookie, 27. Ijalana is considered raw, but a good prospect value in the second or third round. I don't think he would start right away. I think Orlando Franklin can start right away at RT for the Broncos and replace Harris. They will likely go between our selections (36 and 46) in round two.

Round three or four prospects for the OL who could get consideration: Brewer, Gilbert, Boling.

I think the Broncos have to go into the draft with the plan they are replacing Ryan Harris for good.

elsid13
04-10-2011, 03:51 PM
A scout this week said he would take LSU CB Patrick Peterson over New York Jets star Darrelle Revis (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_big_board_rankings.html) if he had to pick one of the two right now. Same scout also said he believes Peterson and Alabama DL Marcell Dareus are the two best defensive players in the 2011 NFL Draft.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-draft-rumors-6551.html

Dedhed
04-10-2011, 04:36 PM
I don't understand the Von Miller desire, isn't he a ROLB - same as DJ Williams should/will be playing?

Someone please explain how the LB unit would look with Miller on board.

Miller is a base Sam in a 4-3, but with a lot of versatility to move around in different packages. People on the OM have been mislabeling him as a Will since talk of him in the top 5 started.

Base: Miller, Mays (draftee or FA) , DJ

Hamrob
04-10-2011, 05:34 PM
I think we could get 4 of these guys if we work it out right. (DT/DE/TE/RB/MLB): Biggest Needs Addressed!

1. Dareus
2. Clayborn/Haywood
3. Rudolph
4. Leshoure
5. Martez Wilson

I think that Dareus/Peterson/Miller are all going to be Pro-bowl players. Mayock has Dareus as his #1 defensive player. Most have Dareus as the #1 defensive line Prospect. What is our biggest need...by far???

Defensive Line. That's why, I'm in favor of Dareus.

Having said that, I would not be upset if we took Peterson or Miller either. Truthfully, I'm hopeing we trade back to pick up picks. Why? Because this draft is stacked with Dline players in the first 2 rounds and if we get a chance to take a prospect in the top 10 and add another #2...we should do it.

HAT
04-10-2011, 05:57 PM
I think that Dareus/Peterson/Miller are all going to be Pro-bowl players. Mayock has Dareus as his #1 defensive player. Most have Dareus as the #1 defensive line Prospect. What is our biggest need...by far???

Defensive Line.

I wouldn't say DL is by far the biggest need. The fact is that every level of the defense has one good to great player.

Doom on the line
DJ at LB
Champ in the secondary

Everyone else are either situational role players, young and unproven, or old & breaking down.

So yeah, DL & particularly DT is a need but so are Mike, Sam, CB2 & both Safeties.

misturanderson
04-10-2011, 06:06 PM
So yeah, DL & particularly DT is a need but so are Mike, Sam, CB2 & both Safeties.

Except that outside of SAM (if Miller can be utilized properly) and CB2, there aren't an 1st round talents at any of our other positions of need. In fact S and MLB are essentially barren when it comes to elite or even pro-bowl quality talent.

DarkHorse
04-10-2011, 06:16 PM
Miller is a base Sam in a 4-3, but with a lot of versatility to move around in different packages. People on the OM have been mislabeling him as a Will since talk of him in the top 5 started.

Base: Miller, Mays (draftee or FA) , DJ


Thanks - isn't Will LB the pass rushing LB or ?

So if Von Miller is Sam wouldn't his biggest asset - pass rushing - just be lost at Sam?

Just looking for clarification because as of right now if we draft Miller I think I would be quite upset, but i'm not as versed on these college guys and positions as some of you are...

HAT
04-10-2011, 06:23 PM
Except that outside of SAM (if Miller can be utilized properly) and CB2, there aren't an 1st round talents at any of our other positions of need. In fact S and MLB are essentially barren when it comes to elite or even pro-bowl quality talent.

Of course...That's why I wasn't suggesting a MIKE or a safety with our first round pick.

With the exception of Prince....I really like Req's 1st round value board from his thread. And I'd also put Liuget ahead of the DE's

Patrick Peterson, DB
Marcell Dareus, DL
Von Miller, OLB
Corey Luiget, DT
Cameron Jordan, DL
J.J. Watt, DL
Nick Fairley, DT
Aldon Smith, DE

I'd be happy with any of those so pretty much hoping for a trade down anywhere from 4 to 15ish.

3 second rounders to shore up the other levels of the D would be outstanding and leave the 3rd round and a potential new 4th rounder for some combination of TE/RB/OT

misturanderson
04-10-2011, 06:49 PM
Of course...That's why I wasn't suggesting a MIKE or a safety with our first round pick.

With the exception of Prince....I really like Req's 1st round value board from his thread. And I'd also put Liuget ahead of the DE's

Patrick Peterson, DB
Marcell Dareus, DL
Von Miller, OLB
Corey Luiget, DT
Cameron Jordan, DL
J.J. Watt, DL
Nick Fairley, DT
Aldon Smith, DE

I'd be happy with any of those so pretty much hoping for a trade down anywhere from 4 to 15ish.

3 second rounders to shore up the other levels of the D would be outstanding and leave the 3rd round and a potential new 4th rounder for some combination of TE/RB/OT

I'm not sure that there is a S or MLB in this draft worth taking. Any player at either of those positions worth half a **** are going to be overdrafted by probably a round compared to most drafts. I just don't see anyone as an upgrade over DJ or McBath, though McBath's health makes S a bigger need in my mind.

uplink
04-10-2011, 07:04 PM
I'd honestly have a hard time naming a defensive player predicted to go in round one that COULDN'T start from day one on this unit.

I'm sick of the Shanny drafting days when many of the top draft picks didn't play much at first. Just want a guy would can start from day one. Just draft him and start him.

iforgotmypassword
04-10-2011, 08:58 PM
Trading down seems to be pretty popular (like most years)

If we could trade down to 11 with minnesota........ is that too far??? I beleive so.

If Arizona or Buffalo will trade up with us and still allow us to draft Peterson, Miller, Fairley, or Dareus is the only trading down I would be happy with.

epicSocialism4tw
04-10-2011, 09:00 PM
A scout this week said he would take LSU CB Patrick Peterson over New York Jets star Darrelle Revis (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_big_board_rankings.html) if he had to pick one of the two right now. Same scout also said he believes Peterson and Alabama DL Marcell Dareus are the two best defensive players in the 2011 NFL Draft.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-draft-rumors-6551.html

Revis is overrated. I'd probably pick Peterson over him too, even with his tiny cerebrum.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-10-2011, 09:44 PM
Thanks - isn't Will LB the pass rushing LB or ?

So if Von Miller is Sam wouldn't his biggest asset - pass rushing - just be lost at Sam?

Just looking for clarification because as of right now if we draft Miller I think I would be quite upset, but i'm not as versed on these college guys and positions as some of you are...

If the Broncos draft Von Miller, he will not be a traditional Will or Sam. My guess is he'll have his hand down on 3rd downs and used similarly to how Terrell Suggs was used when B-more ran a 4-3. He's gonna rush the passer, he's gonna drop back, he's gonna be asked to do it all.

DarkHorse
04-10-2011, 10:20 PM
So who comes off the field in that scenario - Doom or Ayers? I for one am particularly interested in seeing Ayers in his natural position at DE


Check the highlight tapes on him and they're as good, if not better, than a majority of the d-lineman coming out this year.

Guess what i'm saying is that i'm pretty stoked about our projected line so far - Doom, Ayers, Vickerson and ????

Which is also why i'd be completely fine with taking the safe pick like Peterson over drafting a DT which has the highest percentage of busts in Top 10 history of the NFL draft.

That being said, I won't cry if we snag Dareus. But Von Miller I just don't know about how he would fit in here.