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oubronco
03-31-2011, 06:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81oRCSfJ6Q4

If he had the speed to take it to the house when he breaks into the open field we would have something but he does run tough

Requiem
03-31-2011, 07:57 AM
Hittin' the work with detergent and soap.

TheReverend
03-31-2011, 08:07 AM
Was expecting an 8 second clip

Requiem
03-31-2011, 08:08 AM
You must have been thinking about J.D. Walton's clip.

schaaf
03-31-2011, 08:10 AM
I think Knowshon will have a very good season this year, he isn't liked on the Mane but Fox talked wonders about him.

TheReverend
03-31-2011, 08:11 AM
You must have been thinking about J.D. Walton's clip.

Here's Walton's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg4u7ko333U

Bob's your Information Minister
03-31-2011, 08:14 AM
he sucks

Drunk Monkey
03-31-2011, 08:18 AM
he sucks

So far he has underpreformed. But that could change. Either way bring in D Williams from Carolina.

schaaf
03-31-2011, 08:20 AM
he sucks

You see that play down near the goalline on the video where Knowshon destroys one of your chiefs?

oubronco
03-31-2011, 08:20 AM
he sucks.

Al Wilson
03-31-2011, 08:35 AM
This guy actually has highlights ?

Peoples Champ
03-31-2011, 08:49 AM
he sucks



Man,

The broncos may have been bad this year, but watching that highlight reel made me remember how bad we destroyed the chiefs

Broncomutt
03-31-2011, 08:53 AM
Wow, over 3 minutes of actual highlights! Like Rev, I was expecting something only a few seconds long. zowie!

Too bad the film of Knowgain getting stuffed on short yardage comes in a box set. :moody:

Pony Boy
03-31-2011, 08:54 AM
I think Knowshon will have a very good season this year, he isn't liked on the Mane but Fox talked wonders about him.

Trade bait?

vancejohnson82
03-31-2011, 08:55 AM
the O-line doesnt do him any favors

WolfpackGuy
03-31-2011, 08:58 AM
Too bad they can't play the Cheaps every game.

Where's the screen play against the Seasquawks when he ran right for their safety at the 10 instead of to the end zone?

Shoulda taken McCoy or Greene, but then again, I guess I got spoiled seeing guys out of the stands routinely go over 100 yards.

Willynowei
03-31-2011, 09:01 AM
The best he could ever be is a poor mans Mike Anderson. What a waste of a pick.

cutthemdown
03-31-2011, 09:22 AM
I thought it was going to be porn. He has no pro football highlights yet.

vancejohnson82
03-31-2011, 09:24 AM
wow, the hate is unreal

cutthemdown
03-31-2011, 09:43 AM
Try starting a thread on Jarvis Moss Highlights Vance and see how that goes.

Boobs McGee
03-31-2011, 09:58 AM
Those highlights from the N.E. game were so tight! Talk about an emotional game, Invesco was in a frenzy that day...good memories!!! I think he ended up with around 125 all purpose yards

OABB
03-31-2011, 10:02 AM
The hate this guy gets is awesome. If he was drafted in the second round he'd be A fan favorite.

It's like all the haters think he chose his draft selection and mock him for it.

Pearls before swine I guess. I'm a huge knowshon fan, but I have anyhing for good running backs.

Also, I'm not a vagina.

OABB
03-31-2011, 10:04 AM
Too bad they can't play the Cheaps every game.

Where's the screen play against the Seasquawks when he ran right for their safety at the 10 instead of to the end zone?

Shoulda taken McCoy or Greene, but then again, I guess I got spoiled seeing guys out of the stands routinely go over 100 yards.

Was that he screen pass where he made incredible plays at the line and turned it into a huge gain? Oh yeah. What a terrible play.

Boobs McGee
03-31-2011, 10:06 AM
The hate this guy gets is awesome. If he was drafted in the second round he'd be A fan favorite.

It's like all the haters think he chose his draft selection and mock him for it.

Pearls before swine I guess. I'm a huge knowshon fan, but I have anyhing for good running backs.

Also, I'm not a vagina.

I swear, people forget about the lack of cohesiveness our line had, and the fact that more often than not Knowshon was getting hit in the backfield. Add to that, the fact that he was a McD pick (which will never cease to crack me up since he ALSO drafted the great Timothy Richard), and you have yourself a recipe for vagisil stock rising

OABB
03-31-2011, 10:07 AM
Was expecting an 8 second clip

Perhaps the mane isn't the best place for objective player breakdowns?

OABB
03-31-2011, 10:09 AM
Our oline play was terrible. Our scheme was also terrible. Mix them up? Yeah,knowshons fault. I get it.

If he ran a 4.2, he would only run into defensive linemen quicker.

Boobs McGee
03-31-2011, 10:10 AM
hahahaha

chickennob2
03-31-2011, 10:10 AM
Wow, I think we might really miss Daniel Graham. Look at that third highlight against the Pats. What a block.

CEH
03-31-2011, 10:54 AM
Bottom-line this is a do good league not a try hard league.
Coming out of the tough SEC as the best RB (alledgely) I expected more big plays out of the guy.

The injuries and lack of big plays is starting to build up.

I've seen almost all of running backs in person starting with Earl Campbell back in 1979 and in person Knowshown is slow and nothing special

As Charlie Casserly said the other night you need to evaluate players in live action in person. It's alot different than tape

briane
03-31-2011, 11:54 AM
All I got out of that video is, The yellow and brown throwbacks actually look kinda cool.

TheReverend
03-31-2011, 12:04 PM
The hate this guy gets is awesome. If he was drafted in the second round he'd be A fan favorite.

It's like all the haters think he chose his draft selection and mock him for it.

Pearls before swine I guess. I'm a huge knowshon fan, but I have anyhing for good running backs.

Also, I'm not a vagina.

Totally.

My favorite part of his career was when he was REALLY needed with an interim headcoach and Tim Tebow making his debuts and he'd come in so he'd get the starts (most likely towards an incentive portion of his contract) and then after a few carries, hit the bench and get outperformed by UDFAs and 40 year old backs with no knees.

Awesome player.

Mogulseeker
03-31-2011, 12:14 PM
Moreno is a good back. Here are some recent quotes I've made on him:

Moreno has a ton of talent and is a complete back - he doesn't have breakaway speed, but he has COD, plays bigger than he is and can block and catch. BUT he will never be a number one back because of his lack of stamina and durability. I can see him as a very solid 1a option with a speed back to compliment him

In terms of sheer talent, Moreno is an outstanding tailback. Again, I don't think he's durable enough to be a feature back, but if we're talking about shared carries, he could become the best 1a back in the league. I really think if we get one of those 5'7" 170lb scat-backs with a ton of speed to balance out Moreno, we could have a quite effective rushing attack.

We took him at 12 and he might not have been worth that, but there was a reason a lot of people had this guy going top-five.

That said, I think that 1st round running backs are a waste of a draft pick. The talent gap between a 1st rounder and a 6th really isn't all too much, and having an elite back is overrated. We're talking about small chunks of yardage. Yes, I want a consistant 3ypc, but anything more than that is really just gravy.

TheReverend
03-31-2011, 03:18 PM
Name anyone that had him "going top-five"?

OABB
03-31-2011, 04:09 PM
Totally.

My favorite part of his career was when he was REALLY needed with an interim headcoach and Tim Tebow making his debuts and he'd come in so he'd get the starts (most likely towards an incentive portion of his contract) and then after a few carries, hit the bench and get outperformed by UDFAs and 40 year old backs with no knees.

Awesome player.

Maybe he faked his injury? Like cutler? Oh wait, for you that scenario doesn't work.

So our rb, faker, bears qb legit?

Got it.

Dr. Broncenstein
03-31-2011, 04:17 PM
That was about as captivating as a Darius Watts highlight reel.

TheReverend
03-31-2011, 05:05 PM
Maybe he faked his injury? Like cutler? Oh wait, for you that scenario doesn't work.

So our rb, faker, bears qb legit?

Got it.

Good point!

Wait, let's ask their coaches.

Lovie said he and the trainers pulled Cutler.

What does Knowshon's coach say?

"Broncos interim coach Eric Studesville said Knowshon Moreno (ribs) could have gone back in Sunday's game"

Nice try though.

"Losing"

Baba Booey
03-31-2011, 05:30 PM
Not much a guy can do when he has two defenders staring him in the face the second he gets the ball.

razorwire77
03-31-2011, 05:55 PM
Ehh. I'm on the fence with Knowshown. Those that say he sucks are morons, but whether or not he is anything more than a split carries type back remains to be seen. I think he's going to be most effective when paired with someone like Kendall Hunter (who would be a real steal in the 3rd or 4th rounds (****ing Maroney).

Ugly Duck
03-31-2011, 06:23 PM
Knowshon Moreno highlights

Moreno has highlights?

OABB
03-31-2011, 06:39 PM
Good point!

Wait, let's ask their coaches.

Lovie said he and the trainers pulled Cutler.

What does Knowshon's coach say?

"Broncos interim coach Eric Studesville said Knowshon Moreno (ribs) could have gone back in Sunday's game"

Nice try though.

"Losing"


First of all rev, you can't do the "losing" when you ran from me in the cutler thread, and second, knowhon's injury happened in a 4 win season, not a cg.

also, how do you know studesville didn't keep him out?

crush17
03-31-2011, 07:11 PM
haha look at Rev bringing up Lovie Smith quotes to defend Cutler.


...again.

KipCorrington25
03-31-2011, 07:26 PM
The second he held out of camp his rookie season I had a bad feeling and he's proven me right.

Willynowei
03-31-2011, 07:27 PM
If you pause the clip at 1:25, Moreno gets a massive hole up the middle with a single safety 20 yards off the LOS, thats the biggest hole you're going to see in the NFL. This is where his utter lack of talent comes in. Whereas an explosive runningback would take it to the house, he ends up getting chased down by a lineman...

This guy was the least celebrated of our no name runningbacks under Shanny, and much more explosive than Moreno will ever be:
<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/fgh9jlQ_8fk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Yup thats the exact same zone right, single safety look where Moreno got chased down by a D-lineman at 1:25.

TheReverend
03-31-2011, 08:30 PM
First of all rev, you can't do the "losing" when you ran from me in the cutler thread, and second, knowhon's injury happened in a 4 win season, not a cg.

also, how do you know studesville didn't keep him out?

Provide a link where I "ran from you", please.

Kid your football arguments are horrible. Just like this one. Your argument is now "He's tough and good because Studesville kept him out because his backups were outperforming him"

?

haha look at Rev bringing up Lovie Smith quotes to defend Cutler.


...again.

I'm not the one who brought up Cutler?

TheReverend
03-31-2011, 08:30 PM
If you pause the clip at 1:25, Moreno gets a massive hole up the middle with a single safety 20 yards off the LOS, thats the biggest hole you're going to see in the NFL. This is where his utter lack of talent comes in. Whereas an explosive runningback would take it to the house, he ends up getting chased down by a lineman...

This guy was the least celebrated of our no name runningbacks under Shanny, and much more explosive than Moreno will ever be:
<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/fgh9jlQ_8fk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Yup thats the exact same zone right, single safety look where Moreno got chased down by a D-lineman at 1:25.

Definitely posted the wrong clip...

OABB
03-31-2011, 08:35 PM
Provide a link where I "ran from you", please.

Kid your football arguments are horrible. Just like this one. Your argument is now "He's tough and good because Studesville kept him out because his backups were outperforming him"

?



I'm not the one who brought up Cutler?


You did your usual "bully" thing(which is real cute btw) and said I brought zero examples to the table. I had given you 5...

I than retyped the five and said 5 is more than zero.


Than I waited.

Than I said I would post "winning" if you didn't respond.


Than you ignored me.

It's in the elway thread from a few days ago. I'm not linking from my iPod. It drives me nuts.

Also, my football takes are great. Knowshon is a good back and cutler blows it in big games.

That's a take based off of fact and not mangina.

Why don't you show me a link where studeseville says he took out knowshon because his backups out performed him.

And don't do your bully thing. It doesn't work on me.

I can talk like an adult rev.

TheReverend
03-31-2011, 08:41 PM
You did your usual "bully" thing(which is real cute btw) and said I brought zero examples to the table. I had given you 5...

I than retyped the five and said 5 is more than zero.


Than I waited.

Than I said I would post "winning" if you didn't respond.


Than you ignored me.

It's in the elway thread from a few days ago. I'm not linking from my iPod. It drives me nuts.

Imagine that, not linking it.

Colored me surprised.

:nono:

Also, my football takes are great. Knowshon is a good back and cutler blows it in big games.

That's a take based off of fact and not mangina.

Why don't you show me a link where studeseville says he took out knowshon because his backups out performed him.

And don't do your bully thing. It doesn't work on me.

I can talk like an adult rev.

Okay.

Broncos interim coach Eric Studesville said Knowshon Moreno (ribs) could have gone back in Sunday's game, but didn't because Correll Buckhalter was "rolling.

http://www.fantasysp.com/player/nfl/Knowshon_Moreno/1385045

Username: OABB
Status: Still Losing

underrated29
03-31-2011, 09:01 PM
Ridiculous.

The people that do not like knowshon do not like him because Mcd drafted him, or because he was drafted and they wanted hillis to start.


Anyone who is not taking it up the a$$ about one of those two things can see that moreno is a really good back. Who was NOT outperformed by anyone on our roster.


But then again I guess 2200+ yards and 17tds in 2 years is pretty freaking pathetic. We should just cut the guys legs off, put him in a wheel chair. Hell, all of our other backs (bucky, ball, white) have better stats.....Oh Wait.......

strafen
03-31-2011, 09:05 PM
At #12 Moreno was a mistake, and for obvious reasons.
1- We didn't need a RB at #12
2- He never panned out to be an impact player worthy of a # 12 overall selection
3- When you fail to address the defense in that draft to get a RB we didn't need, he's got to better be good. Moreno is just not that good. Big difference between saying people hating him than knowing the reasons why people are just not sold on him...

He could still contribute to the team more often than not, sure...but he won't be seen as a feature weapon in our offense. I still don't see it.
Let's try one more year while we give Moreno the benefit of the doubt by focusing on having a solid OL this time.
The offensive system will be about the same.
This will be his 3rd year, if he can pull his weight this season, he will help the team, as opposed of being just a piece of our offense...

TheReverend
03-31-2011, 09:07 PM
Ridiculous.

The people that do not like knowshon do not like him because Mcd drafted him, or because he was drafted and they wanted hillis to start.


Anyone who is not taking it up the a$$ about one of those two things can see that moreno is a really good back. Who was NOT outperformed by anyone on our roster.


But then again I guess 2200+ yards and 17tds in 2 years is pretty freaking pathetic. We should just cut the guys legs off, put him in a wheel chair. Hell, all of our other backs (bucky, ball, white) have better stats.....Oh Wait.......

Quote is from his former position coach and current head coach (at the time), soooooooooooooooo....

That aside, I was the biggest Knowshon supporter on the board.... until he completely didn't bother to show up when his teammates most needed him, and most likely only suited up to work towards an incentive in his contract.

I don't dislike him now. I'm just extremely done counting on him. We need another talented back.

mhgaffney
03-31-2011, 09:12 PM
he sucks

Hey retard

The kid has the fire in the belly.

Go back to Kansas City where the land is flat.

That's where you belong.

underrated29
03-31-2011, 09:17 PM
Quote is from his former position coach and current head coach (at the time), soooooooooooooooo....





Right, but there is a difference between being out performed, and being outperformed in one game when you are having an off game and an owie

how the eff do you spell owee? ow-ee? ow-ie? owwee? they are all wrong. Must not be a word.

OABB
03-31-2011, 09:18 PM
Imagine that, not linking it.

Colored me surprised.

:nono:



Okay.

Broncos interim coach Eric Studesville said Knowshon Moreno (ribs) could have gone back in Sunday's game, but didn't because Correll Buckhalter was "rolling.

http://www.fantasysp.com/player/nfl/Knowshon_Moreno/1385045

Username: OABB
Status: Still Losing

I didn't link it but explained I line by line rev... Do you want me to bump it?

I'll give you the studesville quote.

Why do you keep acting like an ass? Is it because you are wrong about cutler?

It happens bro. Don't get so vaggy about it.

And knowshon staying out while injured doesn't have anything to do with my original point that he's a good back.

So he got hurt and outperformed in one game. We should cut him.

At least his bad game wasn't during the championship.

You want to talk about a player letting his team down,

Check jay cutler.

And quit doing the "losing" thing. It only works when you are winning.

TheReverend
03-31-2011, 09:20 PM
Right, but there is a difference between being out performed, and being outperformed in one game when you are having an off game and an owie

how the eff do you spell owee? ow-ee? ow-ie? owwee? they are all wrong. Must not be a word.

Sooooo... he's great because he could USUALLY outperform an UDFA who hadnt taken a regular season snap since 2008 and a 32 year old back with no knees?

TheReverend
03-31-2011, 09:21 PM
I didn't link it but explained I line by line rev... Do you want me to bump it?

I'll give you the studesville quote.

So it's a tie.

:spit:

Please bump it. I'd love to see it.

loborugger
03-31-2011, 09:23 PM
The people that do not like knowshon do not like him because Mcd drafted him, or because he was drafted and they wanted hillis to start.




Ahhhh.... no.

Can the guy get 500 yards without an injury? Not much, just 500 yards.

underrated29
03-31-2011, 09:25 PM
Sooooo... he's great because he could USUALLY outperform an UDFA who hadnt taken a regular season snap since 2008 and a 32 year old back with no knees?



No but everyone has off games. It happens to everyone in every sport. I am not going to say that the guy on our roster who has outperfromed all of our backs is terrible because he had a couple bad games and injuries that he vagged out on. he is young and will improve and is clearly the best back on our roster.

It is also IMO that he will probably be top 10 this year- now that we will have a proper run scheme and well hell, proper everything. Josh really did mess the offense up.

underrated29
03-31-2011, 09:26 PM
Ahhhh.... no.

Can the guy get 500 yards without an injury? Not much, just 500 yards.



ok, so 2200 yards -divided by 500-

equals about 4 injuries. Yup Sounds about right.

montrose
03-31-2011, 09:31 PM
Knowshon's been very personally disappointing to me. I'm not ready to give up on him being a productive player but the hope of him fulfilling his promise as a consensus mid-1st round pick is 2009 in pretty much out the window with me. A real bummer for me as I was as excited about him as any 1st round pick in recent memory.

TheReverend
03-31-2011, 09:36 PM
No but everyone has off games. It happens to everyone in every sport. I am not going to say that the guy on our roster who has outperfromed all of our backs is terrible because he had a couple bad games and injuries that he vagged out on. he is young and will improve and is clearly the best back on our roster.

It is also IMO that he will probably be top 10 this year- now that we will have a proper run scheme and well hell, proper everything. Josh really did mess the offense up.

But this is the reality...

He's only had a FEW "on" games.

...In two years!

He has the tools, certainly. We've seen him do it. So WTF?

Conclusion: He can't be relied on. We need another back.

Nothing unreasonable about that, imo.

mhgaffney
03-31-2011, 09:38 PM
The kid will succeed eventually.

He has the desire.

OABB
03-31-2011, 09:43 PM
But this is the reality...

He's only had a FEW "on" games.

...In two years!

He has the tools, certainly. We've seen him do it. So WTF?

Conclusion: He can't be relied on. We need another back.

Nothing unreasonable about that, imo.

he has injury concerns and cardio problems. Many can be atrributed to missing camp with hamstring injuries.

He may not be healthy enough to be great..time will tell. But he has the tools.

Our oline play was bad, and the scheme sucked.

Let's give him a year with fox okay?

Requiem
04-01-2011, 06:32 AM
With our scheme and our line, I don't consider 1,250+ all purpose yards and being second on the team in scoring back-to-back years is bad at all. It's actually quite good.

OABB
04-01-2011, 08:13 AM
With our scheme and our line, I don't consider 1,250+ all purpose yards and being second on the team in scoring back-to-back years is bad at all. It's actually quite good.

Qft.

TheReverend
04-01-2011, 08:37 AM
he has injury concerns and cardio problems. Many can be atrributed to missing camp with hamstring injuries.

He may not be healthy enough to be great..time will tell. But he has the tools.

Our oline play was bad, and the scheme sucked.

Let's give him a year with fox okay?

Who's saying otherwise? No one in this thread is saying "Cut him!"

Or am I missing it?

People are saying he's been disappointing and didn't show up when needed. There's really nothing to argue with there.

Kaylore
04-01-2011, 08:42 AM
Why the jazz hands, Knowson, WHYYYY?????

CEH
04-01-2011, 09:44 AM
With our scheme and our line, I don't consider 1,250+ all purpose yards and being second on the team in scoring back-to-back years is bad at all. It's actually quite good.

With one of the best Oline coaches coming in he'll get his shot.
No excuses this year. I just don't see anything special here

Possibly a better pass catcher than rusher

JMO

underrated29
04-01-2011, 10:19 AM
But this is the reality...

He's only had a FEW "on" games.

...In two years!

He has the tools, certainly. We've seen him do it. So WTF?

Conclusion: He can't be relied on. We need another back.

Nothing unreasonable about that, imo.




Well if he can get 2200+ and 17tds on just a FEW on games, then imagine what he can do when he isnt pulling his vajayjay and actually has a system that can run the ball.



Wont disagree about another back. I have wanted another for quite some time...Was never a big buck fan...white-eh could be pretty good, but I want a speed demon or a flyer type.

Personally I like Graig Cooper and DELONE Carter....Think Both would be perfect compliments to knowshon...Cooper is faster, but carter is man beast. Both can be had later in the draft. Carter might be a ufda.

TheReverend
04-01-2011, 10:43 AM
Well if he can get 2200+ and 17tds on just a FEW on games, then imagine what he can do when he isnt pulling his vajayjay and actually has a system that can run the ball.

His 3 best games total 455 yards from scrimmage.

His career total is 2311 yards from scrimmage.

Outside of those 3 games, he has 1856 yards from scrimmage in 26 games.

That's 71 scrimmage yards per game in those games.

That isn't even good if it were JUST rushing totals.

KevinJames
04-01-2011, 10:54 AM
I don't get how people can hate Knownshon so much he has no power over where he was drafted or when he gets hurt, when hes healthy hes a strong runner and hes one player you will never see give up on the Broncos.......and hes got some of the best balance of any RB in the NFL just needs a line and a team committed to the run.

Knowshon is one of the biggest team players we have and he will have around a 1000+ yard season this year under John Fox.

TheReverend
04-01-2011, 10:59 AM
I don't get how people can hate Knownshon

Don't think anyone HATES him... However, there are many, many points in this thread as to why he can't be relied on and has been disappointing. Why not pick one that you disagree with and state your opinion why, otherwise this post just looks silly considering there's been a wealth of discussion on the topic that you've clearly ignored.

KevinJames
04-01-2011, 11:17 AM
Don't think anyone HATES him... However, there are many, many points in this thread as to why he can't be relied on and has been disappointing. Why not pick one that you disagree with and state your opinion why, otherwise this post just looks silly considering there's been a wealth of discussion on the topic that you've clearly ignored.

I get that there is a few reasons why people are disappointed with his career so far, I get how he can frustrate some people but when people throw out insults like slownshon and calling him soft I see that as unjustified hate, sure hes not a burner like Peterson and CJ but hes not slow, I guess you could say hes more quick than fast and he doesn't run soft at all.

people seem to forget hes the perfect 3rd down back, has some of the best hands for a RB you rarely see him drop passes.

Tombstone RJ
04-01-2011, 11:30 AM
he sucks

thanks boob, your endorsement pretty much guarantees he's a great running back.

Peoples Champ
04-01-2011, 11:44 AM
Hey retard

The kid has the fire in the belly.

Go back to Kansas City where the land is flat.

That's where you belong.



Bob just is embarrased that a crappy non-playoff team like the broncos smooooked the chiefs this year, not just kinda beat them, absolutely smoked them.

TheReverend
04-01-2011, 11:53 AM
I get that there is a few reasons why people are disappointed with his career so far, I get how he can frustrate some people but when people throw out insults like slownshon and calling him soft I see that as unjustified hate, sure hes not a burner like Peterson and CJ but hes not slow, I guess you could say hes more quick than fast and he doesn't run soft at all.

people seem to forget hes the perfect 3rd down back, has some of the best hands for a RB you rarely see him drop passes.

On page 2 Willy gave an example of where his speed was a severe handicap (albeit he posted the wrong vid clip). Big hole, one man to beat, chased down by a lineman!

"Soft" I dont think is a reflection of his playstyle, but more his durability. I'd be STUNNED if he's been off the injury report for more than 25% of his games.

KevinJames
04-01-2011, 12:16 PM
On page 2 Willy gave an example of where his speed was a severe handicap (albeit he posted the wrong vid clip). Big hole, one man to beat, chased down by a lineman!

"Soft" I dont think is a reflection of his playstyle, but more his durability. I'd be STUNNED if he's been off the injury report for more than 25% of his games.

It happens to the best of them.

and in the end hes only missed 3 games total out 32.

Inkana7
04-01-2011, 12:17 PM
"Soft" I dont think is a reflection of his playstyle, but more his durability. I'd be STUNNED if he's been off the injury report for more than 25% of his games.

Allow me to point you to one Brady, Tom.

TheReverend
04-01-2011, 12:33 PM
It happens to the best of them.

and in the end hes only missed 3 games total out 32.

Allow me to point you to one Brady, Tom.

...and that's great.

If he had a high level of performance like Brady this wouldn't even be a topic for discussion, would it?

Inkana7
04-01-2011, 01:48 PM
...and that's great.

If he had a high level of performance like Brady this wouldn't even be a topic for discussion, would it?

Well then use performance to criticize him, not just his simple appearance on the injury report.

TheReverend
04-01-2011, 01:55 PM
Well then use performance to criticize him,

That's what I've been doing.

not just his simple appearance on the injury report.

Because I didn't? I was explaining to him why some people call him "soft"

Nice work though :pity:

extralife
04-01-2011, 05:31 PM
It's probably not a good thing for us that I thought this was going to be a joke thread

Play2win
04-01-2011, 08:02 PM
If he would hit the whole with the same explosion and burst that he displays after he scores a touchdown and does his celebration sprint, we would be in business, but alas...

Tombstone RJ
04-01-2011, 11:05 PM
If he would hit the whole with the same explosion and burst that he displays after he scores a touchdown and does his celebration sprint, we would be in business, but alas...

seriously?

he runs hard, he does.

the fact that it doesn't look like he's got breakaway speed is a ligit concern, but he's got the heart.

TomServo
04-02-2011, 02:28 AM
what? his happy dancing when were getting blown out in historic fashion? to the Raiders? the idiot Dancing in the end zone. joe rizzo, tom swenson, tom jackson, woulkd have punched Knosho in the face..

underrated29
04-02-2011, 11:42 AM
what? his happy dancing when were getting blown out in historic fashion? to the Raiders? the idiot Dancing in the end zone. joe rizzo, tom swenson, tom jackson, woulkd have punched Knosho in the face..



I think he was actually trying to fire the team up, not celebrate a happy dance. But when clouded with hate that is all you will see.

Play2win
04-02-2011, 11:52 AM
I think he was actually trying to fire the team up, not celebrate a happy dance. But when clouded with hate that is all you will see.

Naw, he was just doing his best Jamie Winborn impression.

OABB
04-02-2011, 12:30 PM
Knowgain? Bust? The same joke about "he has a highlight reel"? And you haters act a if we who like knowshon are biased?

He's a good back. Well rounded. He's not electric, but he plays hard. Our oline play last year was the worst we have seen in Denver in a long time.

He would have dominated in shannys system. He has great vision, lateral quickness and falls forward.

Don't blame him for mcds mistakes is all those of is who aren't Vaginas are saying.


Rev is right, there is no argumet. But the consant hate and ragging in the guy is not warranted.

That's it.

BlaK-Argentina
04-02-2011, 07:51 PM
Knowgain? Bust? The same joke about "he has a highlight reel"? And you haters act a if we who like knowshon are biased?

He's a good back. Well rounded. He's not electric, but he plays hard. Our oline play last year was the worst we have seen in Denver in a long time.

He would have dominated in shannys system. He has great vision, lateral quickness and falls forward.

Don't blame him for mcds mistakes is all those of is who aren't Vaginas are saying.


Rev is right, there is no argumet. But the consant hate and ragging in the guy is not warranted.

That's it.

Clap, clap.

Well said.

HAT
05-14-2011, 11:40 PM
That's 71 scrimmage yards per game in those games.

That isn't even good if it were JUST rushing totals.

Really? I know a guy who rushed for 73 YPG and people who think he's a superstar.

Things that make you go hmmmmmm. ???

KipCorrington25
05-15-2011, 12:08 AM
He plays hard yeah, that needing a rest after every 5 yard run, I've yet to see a more poorly conditioned back in 30 years of Bronco football.

Knowshow is lazy.

mkporter
05-15-2011, 01:09 AM
Tough runner, good receiver, lacks breakaway speed... a few more fumbles, and he could have made the cover of Madden.

cutthemdown
05-15-2011, 01:09 AM
Hard to say until we see what some other talented runners can accomplish. Seems like we are always trotting out an injured player, or Moreno, or Moreno injured, or buck sort of gimpy, or various scrubs until they go down etc etc. Moreno sure hasn't shown much and I think we don't need to worry about if Elway and Xanders will bring in RBS. We know they will probably sign or trade for a RB. I would like to see some real competition at that spot.

The Joker
05-15-2011, 01:49 AM
I don't think he'll ever be a superstar, but he's a good player. We need another starting quality player to split carries with him though, for sure.

Ronnie Brown, DeAngelo Williams or Cedric Benson might be good options.

Also hoping Lendale White can come back and be a good option as a short yardage back. He was fantastic in that role for the Titans.

TheReverend
05-15-2011, 07:16 AM
Really? I know a guy who rushed for 73 YPG and people who think he's a superstar.

Things that make you go hmmmmmm. ???

So, you bumped this thread for the sole reason of starting something (which is fine because the board is super boring atm) and being full of ****?

HAT
05-15-2011, 08:14 AM
So, you bumped this thread for the sole reason of starting something (which is fine because the board is super boring atm) and being full of ****?

I bumped the thread because I was just reading through some recent Moreno threads and found your comment interesting.

FWIW....I agree with you. Low 70's YPG rush totals are not good....Just average.

How am I being full of **** by agreeing with you? :thumbs:

CEH
05-15-2011, 08:25 AM
Really? I know a guy who rushed for 73 YPG and people who think he's a superstar.

Things that make you go hmmmmmm. ???

Rush yards and scrimmage yards are two toally different animals. I'll take 73 rushing yards a game over 71 scrimmage yards.

Run the ball and stop the run.

Big big difference in the 4th qtr between someone pounding the ball down your throat and some guy that caught a 36 yard screen pass int the 1st qtr and has put up 41 yards rushing through 4 qtrs. Hillis is pounding you for 4 qtrs. Knowshown is probably celebrating his TD in a 38-0 blow out or being berated on the sidelines by your All Pro WR.

If you think Knowshown and Hills are the same runner in the 4th qtr I totally disagree.

13 vs 8 TDs. 105 yards per scriammge vs 80. 73 rushpergame vs 59 rush per game. 1st round pick vs 7 round pick.

Not really doing anything for me.

Knowshown = Kevin Smith the RB or film director take your pick

HAT
05-15-2011, 08:39 AM
Rush yards and scrimmage yards are two toally different animals. I'll take 73 rushing yards a game over 71 scrimmage yards.

Run the ball and stop the run.

Big big difference in the 4th qtr between someone pounding the ball down your throat and some guy that caught a 36 yard screen pass int the 1st qtr and has put up 41 yards rushing through 4 qtrs. Hillis is pounding you for 4 qtrs. Knowshown is probably celebrating his TD in a 38-0 blow out or being berated on the sidelines by your All Pro WR.

If you think Knowshown and Hills are the same runner in the 4th qtr I totally disagree.

13 vs 8 TDs. 105 yards per scriammge vs 80. 73 rushpergame vs 59 rush per game. 1st round pick vs 7 round pick.

Not really doing anything for me.

Knowshown = Kevin Smith

To steal another line from Rev......

I don't particularly disagree with any of this.

Missouribronc
05-15-2011, 09:44 AM
If you think Knowshown and Hills are the same runner in the 4th qtr I totally disagree.

Peyton Hillis
4th quarter, 52 for 204, 3.9, 1 TD
4th quarter with game within seven points, 32 for 92, 2.9, 0 TD

Knowshon Moreno
4th quarter, 37 for 159, 4.3 1 TD
4th quarter with game within seven points, 10 for 94, 9.4, 0 TD

CEH
05-15-2011, 10:38 AM
Peyton Hillis
4th quarter, 52 for 204, 3.9, 1 TD
4th quarter with game within seven points, 32 for 92, 2.9, 0 TD

Knowshon Moreno
4th quarter, 37 for 159, 4.3 1 TD
4th quarter with game within seven points, 10 for 94, 9.4, 0 TD

How about looking the most carries per game each player had and look up those averages. i.e. the more you give him the ball the more likely he's to wear down a defense.

Missouribronc
05-15-2011, 11:14 AM
How about looking the most carries per game each player had and look up those averages. i.e. the more you give him the ball the more likely he's to wear down a defense.

Peyton Hillis
Attempts 21-Through-30, 26 for 120, 4.6, 1 TD

Knowshon Moreno
Attempts 21-Through-30, 9 for 46, 5.1, 0 TD

Popps
05-15-2011, 11:16 AM
Moreno absolutely has the talent to be a feature back. He's not a breakaway guy, but perfectly capable of being a #1 back. He's got good vision and when the blocking is there, he's not a dancer... despite the misconception around here.

The knock on him is obviously staying healthy. I love the kid, but he's got to show that he can stay on the field this year. You can't be a #1 back when you are sitting out every few games.

Bringing in a rotation back to split carries with him is essential.

Cito Pelon
05-15-2011, 11:49 AM
I'm surprised so many people have a problem with Moreno. He's a solid all-around tailback that will produce TD's.

Moreno has 429 rushing attempts, and 12 rushing TD's. That's pretty good.

Moreno has 65 pass receptions, and 5 reception TD's. That's pretty good.

I don't see a problem with the guy.

Jamaal Charles has 487 rushing attempts, and 12 rushing TD's.

Jamaal Charles has 112 pass receptions, and 5 reception TD's.

Charles has 3981 yards from scrimmage in three years, Moreno 2311 yards from scrimmage in two years.

Moreno has the same number of TD's as Jamaal Charles, but with one less year in the NFL.

I'm happy with Moreno, as is EFX.

KipCorrington25
05-15-2011, 12:16 PM
According to Cecil Lammey this morning on the radio he's had 5 runs of over 20 yards in 2 seasons, that's just not getting it done. Have you ever seen the guy get in the open field and just dust someone? He just can't do it he looks like he's got cement in his shoes out there.

For the 12 overall pick you have to be either a franchise type work horse or have off the charts explosion and athleticism.

Needless to say he has neither.

CEH
05-15-2011, 12:20 PM
Peyton Hillis
Attempts 21-Through-30, 26 for 120, 4.6, 1 TD

Knowshon Moreno
Attempts 21-Through-30, 9 for 46, 5.1, 0 TD

3 times as many carries and infinite more carries for 26+
How about 26-30? Hillis as almost just as many 26+ carries as Knowshown as 21+ carries. How about those averages which would be the upper bound for each player. I.E tackling a player late in the 4th

Missouribronc
05-15-2011, 12:21 PM
3 times as many carries and infinite more carries for 26+
How about 26-30?

Having a tough time proving your point?

CEH
05-15-2011, 12:25 PM
Having a tough time proving your point?

Not really the point was most team don;t want to tackle Hillis in the 4th qtr.
The upper bound proves the point. Hillis has just as many carries at 26+ his upper bound as Knowshown has at his upper bound of 21+. Look at the averages of the upper bounds.

You conviently left out the upper bounds. i.e. feeding the ball the the ball carrier and running out the clock in the 4th

Missouribronc
05-15-2011, 12:32 PM
Not really the point was most team don;t want to tackle Hillis in the 4th qtr.
The upper bound proves the point. Hillis has just as many carries at 26+ his upper bound as Knowshown has at his upper bound of 21+. Look at the averages of the upper bounds.

You conviently left out the upper bounds. i.e. feeding the ball the the ball carrier and running out the clock in the 4th

This past year Denver was never in a position to do that, so its kind of hard to judge Moreno's abilities during that time, isn't it?

Cleveland was only in that position twice, and yes Hillis excelled in those two games. Congrats on finding a point. Of course, you had to backtrack to get to it, but we gave you something you can hang your hat on.

Hillis is good when his team is up by a bunch of points. Awesome.

Missouribronc
05-15-2011, 12:39 PM
Interesting, so, after doing a little more looking at stats (NFL doesn't provide 26-30, they only provide 21-30), Hillis was 7 for 82 with 1 TD, in a 3-point win vs. Cincinnati, a 20-point win vs. New England and a 1 point win vs. Carolina. (Most of the damage came against New England).

In his other 13 fourth quarters, he was downright pathetic, 45 for 122, a hefty 2.7 YPC.

Cito Pelon
05-15-2011, 12:58 PM
According to Cecil Lammey this morning on the radio he's had 5 runs of over 20 yards in 2 seasons, that's just not getting it done. Have you ever seen the guy get in the open field and just dust someone? He just can't do it he looks like he's got cement in his shoes out there.

For the 12 overall pick you have to be either a franchise type work horse or have off the charts explosion and athleticism.

Needless to say he has neither.

Moreno fits that bill of goods.

429 rushing attempts, 12 rushing TD's, a TD every 35 attempts.

65 receptions, 5 reception TD's, a TD every 13 receptions.

Clinton Portis, who was a top 3 greatest NFL tailback for his first two years in the league:

593 rushing attempts, 29 rushing TD's, a TD every 20 attempts.

71 receptions, 2 reception TD's, a TD every 35 receptions.

Give Moreno some better blocking, and he'll be one of the NFL's best for scoring TD's.

Cito Pelon
05-15-2011, 01:03 PM
3 times as many carries and infinite more carries for 26+
How about 26-30? Hillis as almost just as many 26+ carries as Knowshown as 21+ carries. How about those averages which would be the upper bound for each player. I.E tackling a player late in the 4th

Hillis is a good player, so is Moreno. We'll see how it pans out over the years.

HAT
05-15-2011, 01:46 PM
Maybe it's just me....But I don't necessarily want my "feature" back to be getting 26+ carries at all. Give me a guy who can be relied upon for 17-23 carries game in and game out and use other backs to compliment that. Moreno has yet to prove he can do that but I think a lot of people will be changing their tune this coming year.

Of course, the very same people who discounted Orton's early season yardage totals because of McD's "pass happy" offense.....Conveniently forget that argument when discussing Moreno's totals. Only FIVE teams had fewer rushing attempts than Denver in 2010. Of course Moreno wasn't going to be a 1,000 yard back.

Pretty sure we'll see him get about 4.5 YPC this year on about 300 carries. That's comparable to what MJD, Rice and Peterson did last year.

Clip & save.

mkporter
05-15-2011, 02:23 PM
According to Cecil Lammey this morning on the radio he's had 5 runs of over 20 yards in 2 seasons, that's just not getting it done. Have you ever seen the guy get in the open field and just dust someone? He just can't do it he looks like he's got cement in his shoes out there.

For the 12 overall pick you have to be either a franchise type work horse or have off the charts explosion and athleticism.

Needless to say he has neither.

Would you have such a big problem with him if he was a second rounder? If not, then your ragging on Moreno is misplaced, and belongs in a McD hate thread.

Play2win
05-15-2011, 02:48 PM
Moreno fits that bill of goods.

429 rushing attempts, 12 rushing TD's, a TD every 35 attempts.

65 receptions, 5 reception TD's, a TD every 13 receptions.

Clinton Portis, who was a top 3 greatest NFL tailback for his first two years in the league:

593 rushing attempts, 29 rushing TD's, a TD every 20 attempts.

71 receptions, 2 reception TD's, a TD every 35 receptions.

Give Moreno some better blocking, and he'll be one of the NFL's best for scoring TD's.

Hilarious! :rofl:

And the hits keep coming...

cutthemdown
05-15-2011, 05:10 PM
I'm surprised so many people have a problem with Moreno. He's a solid all-around tailback that will produce TD's.

Moreno has 429 rushing attempts, and 12 rushing TD's. That's pretty good.

Moreno has 65 pass receptions, and 5 reception TD's. That's pretty good.

I don't see a problem with the guy.

Jamaal Charles has 487 rushing attempts, and 12 rushing TD's.

Jamaal Charles has 112 pass receptions, and 5 reception TD's.

Charles has 3981 yards from scrimmage in three years, Moreno 2311 yards from scrimmage in two years.

Moreno has the same number of TD's as Jamaal Charles, but with one less year in the NFL.

I'm happy with Moreno, as is EFX.

Moreno is nowhere near as talented as Charles. Also Charles had a ton of tds taken away not by lack of ability but because they also have Thomas Jones. Man I would trade every Bronco rb for Charles.

ZONA
05-16-2011, 01:00 AM
As poster mentioned, a little more top end speed and he'd be a top 5 back. He's probably not going to get any faster so to improve, he'll have to do all the little things just a little better. But honestly, if he can continue to run as hard as he does but become an elite backfield blocker, his value will be tremendous. It may not make highlight reels but when you have your feature back picking up the blitz and not missing blocking reads, those are the little things that help your team win.

Play2win
05-16-2011, 04:56 AM
Its funny when people try to convince you that green is really actually blue.

schaaf
05-16-2011, 05:21 AM
Or that purple is really yellow??? Damn I hate that ****

alkemical
05-16-2011, 05:31 AM
As poster mentioned, a little more top end speed and he'd be a top 5 back. He's probably not going to get any faster so to improve, he'll have to do all the little things just a little better. But honestly, if he can continue to run as hard as he does but become an elite backfield blocker, his value will be tremendous. It may not make highlight reels but when you have your feature back picking up the blitz and not missing blocking reads, those are the little things that help your team win.

If the guy could end up like Emmit Smith, i'd be happy. Until he can play more, or show he can play more - i still reserve my right to say that I really want him to do well, but have been disappointed and expect more about a 1st round RB.

Cito Pelon
05-16-2011, 07:08 AM
Hilarious! :rofl:

And the hits keep coming...

Hey, what I said is almost pretty much legit. Maybe a teensy-weensy bit of exaggeration.

CEH
05-24-2011, 03:46 PM
From Jeff Legwold.
This has been my vision of Moreno for quite some time. Well see if it happens

The Broncos now see Knowshon Moreno as being more of a situational player for them. Moreno, a former Georgia star and first-round pick, has made more impact plays in the NFL as a receiver. His role in the Fox era likely will be more of a third-down player.

Read more: Q&A: Broncos' stable of running backs isn't etched in stone - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18123254#ixzz1NJS2QRrl
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Anikai
05-24-2011, 04:21 PM
When I clicked on the Thread Title I was expecting an empty page.