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TheReverend
03-26-2011, 12:42 PM
Ignore Denver's needs.

Ignore any sense of need.

Who do you think is the BEST player in the 2011 draft?

schaaf
03-26-2011, 12:47 PM
1. Peterson
2. Dareus
3. Miller

GoBroncos84
03-26-2011, 12:54 PM
This isn't an easy question to answer. In terms of sheer talent and upside alone, Peterson and Miller top the list for me. But Dareus, to me, has the fewest question marks of any of the elite talents and possibly has the highest floor. So if you are saying who is the best right now and can step in and start for any NFL team Day 1 and be productive and successful, its Marcell Dareus. But if you are saying who will be the best player if everything works out for them and they fully live up to their potential, then Peterson and Miller probably top Dareus. If I am picking between those two, I say Peterson.

TheReverend
03-26-2011, 12:55 PM
This isn't an easy question to answer. In terms of sheer talent and upside alone, Peterson and Miller top the list for me. But Dareus, to me, has the fewest question marks of any of the elite talents and possibly has the highest floor. So if you are saying who is the best right now and can step in and start for any NFL team Day 1 and be productive and successful, its Marcell Dareus. But if you are saying who will be the best player if everything works out for them and they fully live up to their potential, then Peterson and Miller probably top Dareus. If I am picking between those two, I say Peterson.

The question is very point blank.

schaaf
03-26-2011, 12:56 PM
The question is very point blank.

Don't confuse him

montrose
03-26-2011, 01:00 PM
Patrick Peterson, by a wide margin - IMO

GoBroncos84
03-26-2011, 01:01 PM
The question is very point blank.

I disagree. "Best" can be interpreted in multiple ways. Who is the best right now, who is the best in the future. Factor in system and team they are drafted to, or position they play. Say Patrick Peterson and Von Miller both end up being perennial pro bowl players and have hall of fame careers, does one get the leg up due to playing a more important position on the field than the other? It's all very subjective. Not a black and white, yes or no. All of these prospects are unproven. I answered to the best of my ability given the vagueness of the original premise. It may not have been what you were looking for, but it is how I would answer the question.

elsid13
03-26-2011, 01:06 PM
shouldn't there be other option?

TheReverend
03-26-2011, 01:10 PM
I disagree. "Best" can be interpreted in multiple ways. Who is the best right now, who is the best in the future. Factor in system and team they are drafted to, or position they play. Say Patrick Peterson and Von Miller both end up being perennial pro bowl players and have hall of fame careers, does one get the leg up due to playing a more important position on the field than the other? It's all very subjective. Not a black and white, yes or no. All of these prospects are unproven. I answered to the best of my ability given the vagueness of the original premise. It may not have been what you were looking for, but it is how I would answer the question.

Best player. Period. Not complicated. You're making it complicated.

shouldn't there be other option?

If your best player isn't on that list, then you're doing it very wrong.

elsid13
03-26-2011, 01:22 PM
If your best player isn't on that list, then you're doing it very wrong.

Rev

All those players are highly touted and gifted, that doesn't mean they are the best player in the draft. In fact rarely are the top 5 as good as they hyped up to be.

I actually kinda of think that best player in this draft might be Mark Ingram. And Julio Jones is also another strong candidate.

orange crusher
03-26-2011, 01:25 PM
1. Green
2. Dareus
3. Miller

TheReverend
03-26-2011, 01:32 PM
Rev

All those players are highly touted and gifted, that doesn't mean they are the best player in the draft. In fact rarely are the top 5 as good as they hyped up to be.

I actually kinda of think that best player in this draft might be Mark Ingram. And Julio Jones is also another strong candidate.

You are more than welcome to make a post proclaiming either one of them the true "best player". I HIGHLY doubt it, but they certainly are both very good players.

Cito Pelon
03-26-2011, 01:42 PM
PP if he can be the next Deion Sanders with the punt and kick returns for TD's, and the 56 INT's.

Broncoman13
03-26-2011, 01:42 PM
Ignore Denver's needs.

Ignore any sense of need.

Who do you think is the BEST player in the 2011 draft?

Nick Fairly. Abuses interior OLinemen and puts pressure on the offense to double team him. Take him away and you open things up for Doom and the LBs behind him. Fairley isn't the same caliber player as Suh but he will have a huge impact and career... If he doesn't go all ego on a team. If he had no character concerns this wouldn't be close between he and Peterson.

Requiem
03-26-2011, 01:46 PM
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serious hops
03-26-2011, 01:46 PM
I'd probably say Fairley is the best right now, but that will only translate to the pros if his motor runs all the time. Three years from now, I won't be surprised if the correct answer is Julio Jones or JJ Watt.

TheReverend
03-26-2011, 01:47 PM
Nick Fairly. Abuses interior OLinemen and puts pressure on the offense to double team him. Take him away and you open things up for Doom and the LBs behind him. Fairley isn't the same caliber player as Suh but he will have a huge impact and career... If he doesn't go all ego on a team. If he had no character concerns this wouldn't be close between he and Peterson.

I like Dareus more as a prospect, but for terms of this thread I definitely agree that Fairley is the better PLAYER.

Still not nearly of Peterson's league though :P

epicSocialism4tw
03-26-2011, 02:23 PM
Peterson is too stupid to be the best player in the draft.

Brains matter.

Mogulseeker
03-26-2011, 02:57 PM
This isn't an easy question to answer. In terms of sheer talent and upside alone, Peterson and Miller top the list for me. But Dareus, to me, has the fewest question marks of any of the elite talents and possibly has the highest floor. So if you are saying who is the best right now and can step in and start for any NFL team Day 1 and be productive and successful, its Marcell Dareus. But if you are saying who will be the best player if everything works out for them and they fully live up to their potential, then Peterson and Miller probably top Dareus. If I am picking between those two, I say Peterson.

This.

gyldenlove
03-26-2011, 03:46 PM
1. Julio Jones
2. Patrick Peterson
3. Von Miller

NFLBRONCO
03-26-2011, 03:56 PM
Peterson is too stupid to be the best player in the draft.

Brains matter.

Stupid at tests but, have you heard him talk he doesn't sound stupid to me,

OABB
03-26-2011, 04:11 PM
Peterson.

elsid13
03-26-2011, 04:29 PM
Peterson is too stupid to be the best player in the draft.

Brains matter.

Since you are basing your statement on unofficial internet rumor mill site, how do you know if Peterson is "too" stupid to play? Logic would dictate that you don't make factual statement without clear proof of your declaration. It would be like declaring Dirk Nowitzki the best forward to ever play in the NBA.

OABB
03-26-2011, 04:41 PM
Or saying Clinton benefitted from reagonomics.

Mogulseeker
03-26-2011, 05:01 PM
Or saying Clinton benefitted from reagonomics.

ROFL!

epicSocialism4tw
03-26-2011, 09:55 PM
Stupid at tests but, have you heard him talk he doesn't sound stupid to me,

That is an easy test that tests for a persons ability to process information quickly and to make quick decisions.

It has nothing to do with being "booksmart" as some doofus said in another thread here.

If you can read (which it isnt exactly clear that Peterson can read after such an embarrassing result on the test), you can take the test.

Dude's not the smartest guy in a field full of idiots.

Arkie
03-26-2011, 10:57 PM
I think the elite group consists of Peterson, Dareus, Fairley, and Green. Then Miller, Bowers, and Quinn. Newton and Gabbert rise into the mix because QB is the most important position. There are a shortage of franchise QBs, and the overall reward is higher when QBs don't bust.

epicSocialism4tw
03-26-2011, 11:07 PM
I think the elite group consists of Peterson, Dareus, Fairley, and Green. Then Miller, Bowers, and Quinn. Newton and Gabbert rise into the mix because QB is the most important position. There are a shortage of franchise QBs, and the overall reward is higher when QBs don't bust.

I'd put Miller in the "elite" group.

schaaf
03-26-2011, 11:43 PM
I'd put Miller in the "elite" group.

As would I. People say he's only a blitzing 3-4 LB, One of the good things that makes Vonn Miller so good is his coverage skills. This guy is an all around BEAST at LB. I would say between him, Peterson, and Dareus are the best players in this draft

Cito Pelon
03-27-2011, 10:59 AM
I think the elite group consists of Peterson, Dareus, Fairley, and Green. Then Miller, Bowers, and Quinn. Newton and Gabbert rise into the mix because QB is the most important position. There are a shortage of franchise QBs, and the overall reward is higher when QBs don't bust.

Yeah, I agree. Miller is intriguing. That guy could be the most dynamite player of them all.

mhgaffney
03-28-2011, 11:13 AM
If the poll is correct -- then we should draft Peterson at #2

and take two DL in the second round. In a deep class several standouts will fall.

mhgaffney
03-28-2011, 11:18 AM
If Cox returns

I could see Peterson playing free safety from the get go.

Turn him loose to play the ball - and make big plays.