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bombay
03-26-2011, 12:55 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/krieger/ci_17704537

Great article by Krieger about the season long melo-drama.



"Back in January, as the Nuggets' interminable Melodrama was building toward the NBA trade deadline, behind the scenes it was slowly tearing the team apart. And George Karl, the Nuggets' only public spokesman while team executives hid from view negotiating possible trades, had finally had enough.

"When players don't look you in the eye anymore and are kind of avoiding you, you know they're (ticked) off," Karl said Friday, looking back on what he now calls the most difficult season of his coaching career."

crush17
03-26-2011, 01:18 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Masai & Josh have done an amazing job this season.

bombay
03-26-2011, 01:26 PM
^ ^ ^

Fully agree. I was worried that they were going to mangle this deal by driving too hard a bargain against NJ, or getting too little from NY, but they ended up pulling quite a coup. Felton is an excellent young PG, and Gallinari and Chandler are both fine players. Jury is out on the big men, but they're just a bonus.

Mogulseeker
03-26-2011, 02:02 PM
So somone explain this whole situation in laymens terms... are the Nugs better off long-term? I'm a Football and Hockey fan that casually watches basketball. What's the deal with the Nuggets today?

Broncoman13
03-26-2011, 02:34 PM
I think this Nuggets team is better than it was W/Mello. Who are you gonna guard? Gallo, Felton, Nene, Lawson, Chandler, or KMart? Any of those guys can go for 20+ on any given night. Then you have the streaky JR that can go for 30 but Karl limits his shots to spread the ball. I hope they keep this team together, they are fun to watch!

Cmac821
03-26-2011, 02:45 PM
I have a lot of respect for George Karl, he is proving to be a great coach. I hope he can keep this team going and more importantly together.

bombay
03-26-2011, 03:30 PM
I have a lot of respect for George Karl, he is proving to be a great coach. I hope he can keep this team going and more importantly together.

Agree, and he's in coach heaven right now. Competition for spots, no mega egos to satisfy, lots of excellent players to juggle. The Nuggets have the best point guard rotation in the league.

JCMElway
03-26-2011, 04:00 PM
I'm just sad they had to trade Chauncey.

ghostofjosh
03-26-2011, 04:09 PM
So somone explain this whole situation in laymens terms... are the Nugs better off long-term? I'm a Football and Hockey fan that casually watches basketball. What's the deal with the Nuggets today?

The difference is in NBA you win with superstars,Ultimatley this will be a big win for the knicks,although they are big time struggling now,no team ever has won an NBA championship running 2 diffrent teams out there like Denver is doing now..regular season..OK..Playoffs-Fail...watch

serious hops
03-26-2011, 04:10 PM
So somone explain this whole situation in laymens terms... are the Nugs better off long-term? I'm a Football and Hockey fan that casually watches basketball. What's the deal with the Nuggets today?

I don't think that question can really be fairly answered until next year. Nene will probably opt out of his last year, Wilson Chandler is a restricted free agent I believe, and both Kenyon and JR will be free agents as well. And Felton has indicated that he doesn't want to come off the bench, and it's speculated that he may try to force a trade. So I think we need to see where this roster is at the start of next season before answering that question. They're certainly playing great ball right now, though.

RhymesayersDU
03-26-2011, 04:22 PM
I'm just sad they had to trade Chauncey.

I know I'm in the minority, and maybe it's because I don't have the true Colorado connection with Billups from high school, college, etc, but I'm glad he's traded. I feel bad for him on a personal level, he was loyal and he didn't want to leave. But forgetting about the trade itself, I've wanted Ty Lawson starting at the PG from the start of the season. I would have loved to keep Chauncey but in a reserve role.

Part of it is maybe I'm underrating Chauncey because I'm a big Lawson fan, but I think his speed has been tremendous. We needed Ty starting, at least IMO.

RhymesayersDU
03-26-2011, 04:24 PM
I don't think that question can really be fairly answered until next year. Nene will probably opt out of his last year, Wilson Chandler is a restricted free agent I believe, and both Kenyon and JR will be free agents as well. And Felton has indicated that he doesn't want to come off the bench, and it's speculated that he may try to force a trade. So I think we need to see where this roster is at the start of next season before answering that question. They're certainly playing great ball right now, though.

As long as it's not ugly like the Carmelo deal, I feel like Felton would be a great trade chip to get a solid asset in return. I'm actually excited for his being traded.

BroncoMan4ever
03-26-2011, 10:46 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Masai & Josh have done an amazing job this season.

i agree. i up until the trade was finalized and for about a week after it happened was complaining about having a kid and a GM that was with a team that lost Chris Bosh for nothing leading the trade talks.

and when the New Jersey deal went away, i was so pissed thinking we were going to lose the ungrateful turd for nothing in the offseason.

but those 2 got it done and made the team better.

props to Masai and Josh:thumbsup:

BroncoDoug
03-26-2011, 10:57 PM
You mean coaching someone who scores 36 points and 1 whole assist while giving up 114 points to the lowest scoring thea in the NBA isn't what Karl wanted?

sheesh talk about picky...

epicSocialism4tw
03-26-2011, 11:00 PM
You guys got the better end of the deal.

KipCorrington25
03-27-2011, 01:33 AM
Marshmallow is a bitch, so glad to see him gone.

bombay
03-27-2011, 04:44 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2011/03/27/2011-03-27_mike_dantoni_needs_to_adjust_offense_to_carmelo _anthonys_strengths_for_the_knick.html


Let it be known that the idiot lupica is the first to call for D'Antoni's head.

RhymesayersDU
03-27-2011, 05:03 PM
Not shockingly, the poll on that NY website is split almost evenly 1/3, 1/3, 1/3. Sounds familiar.

enjolras
03-27-2011, 05:46 PM
The problem is that the Nuggets have a team full of expiring contracts. Even Felton, who has one year left IIRC, is going to force a trade.

The Nuggets have to resign Nene, JR Smith, Chandler (Restricted free agent)... and possibly Martin. So going into next season I expect Felton to be gone, and then the Nuggets are going to have to find the cash to keep this team together.

I hope they can do it.

Mountain Bronco
03-28-2011, 11:23 AM
Resign Nene to a good, but not back breaking contract, resign Chanler (easy to do with being restricted), resign Martin to a Veteren Min contract (all he is worth) or replace him with a defensive forward in the darft or trade felton for a PF and draft a Point to back up lawson (deepest part of this lame ass draft). You probably have to trade Felton or lose him for nothing the next year, but he is a good chip and can bring in a good player or a 1st in return. JR I don't know about. I would offer him a decent contract, but nothing more. Afflalo is the future for the nuggets at the 2 guard as he plays great D and his offense is developing, so I don't mind losing JR.

Garcia Bronco
03-28-2011, 11:42 AM
This NOT just in...Mello sucks. He's a role player and will never be anything more. He's never accomplished anything of note in the NBA and had one good tourny in college due to the great play of his teammates.

Garcia Bronco
03-28-2011, 11:44 AM
Resign Nene to a good, but not back breaking contract, resign Chanler (easy to do with being restricted), resign Martin to a Veteren Min contract (all he is worth) or replace him with a defensive forward in the darft or trade felton for a PF and draft a Point to back up lawson (deepest part of this lame ass draft). You probably have to trade Felton or lose him for nothing the next year, but he is a good chip and can bring in a good player or a 1st in return. JR I don't know about. I would offer him a decent contract, but nothing more. Afflalo is the future for the nuggets at the 2 guard as he plays great D and his offense is developing, so I don't mind losing JR.

Nene is a big pussy that could not occupy the front seat of his car if someone else wanted the space.

Boobs McGee
03-28-2011, 01:34 PM
The problem is that the Nuggets have a team full of expiring contracts. Even Felton, who has one year left IIRC, is going to force a trade.

The Nuggets have to resign Nene, JR Smith, Chandler (Restricted free agent)... and possibly Martin. So going into next season I expect Felton to be gone, and then the Nuggets are going to have to find the cash to keep this team together.

I hope they can do it.

I thought they were going to have a LOT of cash next year? No more melo, kmart's contract is up (wasn't it something like 114 mil?), those two alone should free up some cash to bargain with, no?

footstepsfrom#27
03-29-2011, 09:32 AM
The difference is in NBA you win with superstars,Ultimatley this will be a big win for the knicks,although they are big time struggling now,no team ever has won an NBA championship running 2 diffrent teams out there like Denver is doing now..regular season..OK..Playoffs-Fail...watch
Anthony is no superstar. Superstars play defense. He's an overrated ball hog who is a mediocre rebounder and a selfish ass to boot. I'm glad he's gone and this team is vastly improved. They also still have NY's #1 coming in a couple years so the deal gets even sweeter. He'll take the Knicks as far as he did Denver...to a predictable first round playoff loss every year.