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epicSocialism4tw
03-23-2011, 06:39 PM
Here's the news: ESPN doesnt charge you for it! Ha!

Points of note: Von Miller to Denver, Patrick Peterson goes #7

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6249772&categoryid=2378529

Archer81
03-23-2011, 06:40 PM
Thread title = winning.


:Broncos:

HAT
03-23-2011, 07:02 PM
Thread title = winning.


:Broncos:

Good thing because McShay's top 10 mock = #losing

oubronco
03-23-2011, 07:06 PM
Last I heard Debbie does Dallas

HAT
03-23-2011, 07:43 PM
1) Dareus is in play, as is a QB. Hit

2) No way Denver takes Miller here. If they pick #2 it's either Dareus or Peterson. Miss

3) Gabbert may well be the choice if he's on the board. Otherwise it's Miller or Peterson. Hit

4) Aj Green is perfectly reasonable here. Hit

5) No way, no how does AZ draft a QB in the first round (unless they trade way back) Big Miss

6) Bowers? Even if Cle were to take DL here, It would be Fairley. Miss

7) The most laughable on the list. Forgetting for a moment that I hope Denver takes Peterson....If they don't, he will be in play for every single team between 3-6. No way all 4 pass on him. Miss

8) Fairley is a reasonable pick for Tenn if he's there. Hit

9) There won;t be an OL taken in the top 10...Period. Miss

10) Jones would be in play for Shanny if he's there but I think he'll go BPA front 7. Hit

Mine:
1) CAR Dareus
2) DEN Peterson
3) BUF Gabbert
4) CIN AJ
5) AZ Miller
6) CLE Jones
7) SF Prince
8) TEN Newton
9) DAL Bowers
10) WAS Fairley

epicSocialism4tw
03-23-2011, 07:50 PM
1) Dareus is in play, as is a QB. Hit

2) No way Denver takes Miller here. If they pick #2 it's either Dareus or Peterson. Miss

3) Gabbert may well be the choice if he's on the board. Otherwise it's Miller or Peterson. Hit

4) Aj Green is perfectly reasonable here. Hit

5) No way, no how does AZ draft a QB in the first round (unless they trade way back) Big Miss

6) Bowers? Even if Cle were to take DL here, It would be Fairley. Miss

7) The most laughable on the list. Forgetting for a moment that I hope Denver takes Peterson....If they don't, he will be in play for every single team between 3-6. No way all 4 pass on him. Miss

8) Fairley is a reasonable pick for Tenn if he's there. Hit

9) There won;t be an OL taken in the top 10...Period. Miss

10) Jones would be in play for Shanny if he's there but I think he'll go BPA front 7. Hit

Mine:
1) CAR Dareus
2) DEN Peterson
3) BUF Gabbert
4) CIN AJ
5) AZ Miller
6) CLE Jones
7) SF Prince
8) TEN Newton
9) DAL Bowers
10) WAS Fairley

Peterson could very likely fall. These things never work out as planned.

McShay's mock went a little against the grain, which is why I found it interesting in the first place. The DB from Nebraska is just about level with Peterson after Peterson proved to be Vince Young-level stupid.

BroncoMan4ever
03-23-2011, 07:54 PM
1) Dareus is in play, as is a QB. Hit

2) No way Denver takes Miller here. If they pick #2 it's either Dareus or Peterson. Miss

3) Gabbert may well be the choice if he's on the board. Otherwise it's Miller or Peterson. Hit

4) Aj Green is perfectly reasonable here. Hit

5) No way, no how does AZ draft a QB in the first round (unless they trade way back) Big Miss

6) Bowers? Even if Cle were to take DL here, It would be Fairley. Miss

7) The most laughable on the list. Forgetting for a moment that I hope Denver takes Peterson....If they don't, he will be in play for every single team between 3-6. No way all 4 pass on him. Miss

8) Fairley is a reasonable pick for Tenn if he's there. Hit

9) There won;t be an OL taken in the top 10...Period. Miss

10) Jones would be in play for Shanny if he's there but I think he'll go BPA front 7. Hit

Mine:
1) CAR Dareus
2) DEN Peterson
3) BUF Gabbert
4) CIN AJ
5) AZ Miller
6) CLE Jones
7) SF Prince
8) TEN Newton
9) DAL Bowers
10) WAS Fairley


you seem to be forgetting that you are putting who you want and not who is needed for Denver.

Denver will go 1 of 3 ways at 2.
1)Dareus is there and we make an amzingly fast pick
2)Dareus is gone and we go with Miller or Fairley since front 7 remains the biggest area of need for this team
3)Dareus is gone, they are not high on Miller or Fairley at 2, and feel they can move baack a few slots and still get one of them or possibly peterson.

no chance in hell is Peterson selected at 2

also, it is not out of the question that Carolina, Arizona, Buffalo, Cincinatti, San Francisco, Tennessee, or Washington all take a hard look at a QB. which is why i am ecstatic that Newton and Gabbert both had strong pro days. if any of those teams after Carolina want Newton or Gabbert and are worried about someone taking the one they want before their pick we can potentially be in prime position to move back a few slots, pick up an extra pick or 2, and still be in strong position to get Fairley or Peterson if that is in fact the direction the team wants to go.

tsiguy96
03-23-2011, 07:55 PM
per roto:

According to NFL Network's Mike Mayock, "everybody in the league" feels it would be an "upset" of the Broncos don't draft Alabama DT Marcell Dareus with the No. 2 pick in the draft.
"Everybody in the league" is apparently already resigned to the fact that Carolina is drafting a quarterback. Dareus easily makes the most sense for a Denver team with perhaps the poorest defensive tackle depth chart in football. Dareus would give the Broncos another front-seven building block between young defensive end starters Elvis Dumervil (RE) and Robert Ayers (LE).

BroncoMan4ever
03-23-2011, 08:01 PM
per roto:

god i hope Ayers has a career resurgance going back to his natural position, and gives us a good set of bookends on the DL

Broncos_OTM
03-23-2011, 08:08 PM
this has been the worst top ten i have seen in years. im not all that impressed with anyone

epicSocialism4tw
03-23-2011, 08:11 PM
god i hope Ayers has a career resurgance going back to his natural position, and gives us a good set of bookends on the DL

Things will start looking up if the Broncos snag Dareus/Miller and then a DT/LB/S in round 2.

To build a good defense, you have to win in the trenches. The Broncos have the worst defensive line in the league based on their play last year. Bringing in young talent (and hopefully a free agent or two) could go a long way toward making the defense not just respectable, but feared.

ColoradoDarin
03-23-2011, 08:15 PM
god i hope Ayers has a career resurgance going back to his natural position, and gives us a good set of bookends on the DL

Dareus is going to make the entire line better.

BroncoMan4ever
03-23-2011, 08:17 PM
Things will start looking up if the Broncos snag Dareus/Miller and then a DT/LB/S in round 2.

To build a good defense, you have to win in the trenches. The Broncos have the worst defensive line in the league based on their play last year. Bringing in young talent (and hopefully a free agent or two) could go a long way toward making the defense not just respectable, but feared.

agreed. exactly why i am so completely against Peterson. if this team didn't have without question the worst front 7 in the league, if it was even a mediocre front 7 i would be receptive to drafting Peterson, but a high school JV football team's running could gash our defense for 150yards and a couple hundred passing yards.

if Dareus is available that has to be the pick

schaaf
03-23-2011, 08:18 PM
I think Ayers is going to be Solid at least with the ability to be very good at D-End

Hercules Rockefeller
03-23-2011, 08:20 PM
per roto:

No, not per Roto. It clearly says it's from Mayock.

Roto doesn't report ****, they put their own spin on real reporters takes.

BroncoMan4ever
03-23-2011, 08:20 PM
Dareus is going to make the entire line better.

he will make the whole defense look better. if he can be good, it prevents teams from rolling out double teams on Doom, meaning we may finally be capable of getting pressure with our DL alone and that will enable our LB to make plays instead of having to cover for the weak line as much. also, as has always been obvious in football, if your DL is good it makes even a weak secondary look better than it actually is.

epicSocialism4tw
03-23-2011, 08:21 PM
Here's the main reason I dont see Peterson as a possibility in Denver.

The Broncos just paid Champ Bailey with a big contract. That limits the money that Denver will want to spend at his position. Peterson plays his position and will immediately have a substantial contract.

So Denver would essentially waste a big chunk of their money on corners if they drafted Peterson. That would leave too many gaps in too many other places.

HAT
03-23-2011, 08:36 PM
you seem to be forgetting that you are putting who you want and not who is needed for Denver.

I did neither. I listed how I think the draft will fall.

HAT
03-23-2011, 08:37 PM
The DB from Nebraska is just about level with Peterson after Peterson proved to be Vince Young-level stupid.

I agree. That's why I only have them 5 picks apart. ???

BroncoMan4ever
03-23-2011, 08:46 PM
I did neither. I listed how I think the draft will fall.

if it falls that way, Elway, Fox and Xanders are going to be out of a job within 3 years, because that will be the epitome of stupid. that pick will make the draft mistakes of McDaniels look like genius moves.

Garcia Bronco
03-23-2011, 09:05 PM
we aren't taking a DB at number 2. Get it out of your head.

tsiguy96
03-23-2011, 09:19 PM
No, not per Roto. It clearly says it's from Mayock.

Roto doesn't report ****, they put their own spin on real reporters takes.

try reading the entire quote, mayock is very clearly recognized for what he said.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-23-2011, 09:25 PM
try reading the entire quote, mayock is very clearly recognized for what he said.

Really? You said "per Roto". Try understanding that I was referring to you. There is nothing that is "per Roto" because they don't report anything.

tsiguy96
03-23-2011, 09:29 PM
Really? You said "per Roto". Try understanding that I was referring to you. There is nothing that is "per Roto" because they don't report anything.

the exact quote, including the report of the quote and their commentary, was copy and pasted DIRECTLY from roto. quit crying about trivial ****, every single person is getting cited.

HAT
03-23-2011, 09:41 PM
if it falls that way, Elway, Fox and Xanders are going to be out of a job within 3 years, because that will be the epitome of stupid. that pick will make the draft mistakes of McDaniels look like genius moves.

Hey, my preference is to trade back but barring that, what would you have them do if they are 'stuck' with #2 and Dareus goes #1?

Fairley? Bowers?

Picking the consensus BPA is hardly the 'epitome of stupid'. Reading between the lines, Peterson looks like an Elway pick to me (Even if Dareus is still there). It's safe....Just like the Fox hire.


EFX will be judged on what they do as a whole with picks #2, 36, 46 & 67.

Are you so hung up on NOT taking Peterson that you'd rather have a draft of, say:

#2 Dareus DT
#36 Rudolph TE
#46 Leshoure RB
#67 Barksdale RT

Than, say:

#2 Peterson CB
#36 Paea DT
#46 Carter S
#67 Casey DT

Those are all technically positions of need and about where those guys will go. You'd honestly consider Draft A a success and Draft B a failure because the former had Dareus & the latter had Peterson?

Again, I hope they can trade down a few spots and still be able to grab Peterson, Dareus or Miller. I'd even be okay with going all the way down to the middle of the 1st if they got full value. Liuget would be there in that range and will be every bit as good as Dareus and Fairley.

NFLBRONCO
03-23-2011, 10:12 PM
Hey, my preference is to trade back but barring that, what would you have them do if they are 'stuck' with #2 and Dareus goes #1?

Fairley? Bowers?

Picking the consensus BPA is hardly the 'epitome of stupid'. Reading between the lines, Peterson looks like an Elway pick to me (Even if Dareus is still there). It's safe....Just like the Fox hire.


EFX will be judged on what they do as a whole with picks #2, 36, 46 & 67.

Are you so hung up on NOT taking Peterson that you'd rather have a draft of, say:

#2 Dareus DT
#36 Rudolph TE
#46 Leshoure RB
#67 Barksdale RT

Than, say:

#2 Peterson CB
#36 Paea DT
#46 Carter S
#67 Casey DT

Those are all technically positions of need and about where those guys will go. You'd honestly consider Draft A a success and Draft B a failure because the former had Dareus & the latter had Peterson?

Again, I hope they can trade down a few spots and still be able to grab Peterson, Dareus or Miller. I'd even be okay with going all the way down to the middle of the 1st if they got full value. Liuget would be there in that range and will be every bit as good as Dareus and Fairley.

I would be cool with Dareus if we decide to go that route. If Denver was offered those two drafts you listed I'd definately would want all D over 1 D and 3 offensive players.

BroncoMan4ever
03-23-2011, 10:13 PM
Hey, my preference is to trade back but barring that, what would you have them do if they are 'stuck' with #2 and Dareus goes #1?

Fairley? Bowers?

Picking the consensus BPA is hardly the 'epitome of stupid'. Reading between the lines, Peterson looks like an Elway pick to me (Even if Dareus is still there). It's safe....Just like the Fox hire.


EFX will be judged on what they do as a whole with picks #2, 36, 46 & 67.

Are you so hung up on NOT taking Peterson that you'd rather have a draft of, say:

#2 Dareus DT
#36 Rudolph TE
#46 Leshoure RB
#67 Barksdale RT

Than, say:

#2 Peterson CB
#36 Paea DT
#46 Carter S
#67 Casey DT

Those are all technically positions of need and about where those guys will go. You'd honestly consider Draft A a success and Draft B a failure because the former had Dareus & the latter had Peterson?

Again, I hope they can trade down a few spots and still be able to grab Peterson, Dareus or Miller. I'd even be okay with going all the way down to the middle of the 1st if they got full value. Liuget would be there in that range and will be every bit as good as Dareus and Fairley.

so you're automatically saying that if we take Dareus at 2, basicaly the rest of our draft will suck, and if we get Peterson the rest of the draft will be good?

also, Dareus is that much better than the other DT in this draft that i want him in Denver badly. Paea will be long gone before 36, not particularly high on Carter

how about a draft like this

#2 - Dareus DT
36 - Phil Taylor DT
46 - Rahim Moore S
67 - Colin McCarthy MLB

massive DT's with the 1st 2 picks that give us a big line that makes it almost impossible to use double teams on Doom or Ayers(if he can rush the passer at all) big help to the LB corps that helps shut running lanes down and lets our LBs play simple read and react and just make tackles.

Rahim Moore at 46 is the best S prospect in this draft class and gets us some much needed youth behind our aged starters

McCarthy gives us a good MLB that we can use and allow DJ to return to his natural WLB position

throw in Virgil Green at some point and you have a strong draft.


so to answer your question, yes i am completely against drafting Peterson at 2, simply because he doesn't play a position of need, and the aquisition of a Corner no matter how good does not improve the play of the defense overall.

if i am making the picks and knew exactly how career would pan out and the choice is either a good starting DT that will provide good play and solid production for the next 5-10 years or a CB that will have a pro bowl career, i am taking the DT, simply because his position has more of an impact on the rest of the Defense.

epicSocialism4tw
03-23-2011, 10:16 PM
so you're automatically saying that if we take Dareus at 2, basicaly the rest of our draft will suck, and if we get Peterson the rest of the draft will be good?

also, Dareus is that much better than the other DT in this draft that i want him in Denver badly. Paea will be long gone before 36, not particularly high on Carter

how about a draft like this

#2 - Dareus DT
36 - Phil Taylor DT
46 - Rahim Moore S
67 - Colin McCarthy MLB

massive DT's with the 1st 2 picks that give us a big line that makes it almost impossible to use double teams on Doom or Ayers(if he can rush the passer at all) big help to the LB corps that helps shut running lanes down and lets our LBs play simple read and react and just make tackles.

Rahim Moore at 46 is the best S prospect in this draft class and gets us some much needed youth behind our aged starters

McCarthy gives us a good MLB that we can use and allow DJ to return to his natural WLB position

throw in Virgil Green at some point and you have a strong draft.

That'd be one heck of a draft.

BroncoMan4ever
03-23-2011, 10:20 PM
That'd be one heck of a draft.

and it really isn't that out of the question. the draft may very well fall that way that a draft like that could occur

HAT
03-23-2011, 10:23 PM
so you're automatically saying that if we take Dareus at 2, basicaly the rest of our draft will suck, and if we get Peterson the rest of the draft will be good?



Not at all. I was simply pointing out how absurd your earlier contention was that:

if it falls that way, (Drafting Peterson at #2) Elway, Fox and Xanders are going to be out of a job within 3 years, because that will be the epitome of stupid. that pick will make the draft mistakes of McDaniels look like genius moves.

Seems you are backing away from that now and understand that they will be judged on the draft as a whole so it's all good.

HAT
03-23-2011, 10:24 PM
That'd be one heck of a draft.

Agreed...I'd take that all day.

Edit: I wouldn't take a MIKE at all in this draft unless it's a 4th round (which we don't currently have) or higher. All you are going to get is a rotational type. Go BPA somewhere else and target an impact MLB in 2012.

Would be stoked with the 2 DT's and safety though.

NFLBRONCO
03-23-2011, 10:28 PM
Are we focusing too much on two players? Denver may like other players better.

tsiguy96
03-23-2011, 10:32 PM
Are we focusing too much on two players? Denver may like other players better.

since it wont be a QB, that leaves von miller, AJ green, peterson, fairley, dareus, bowers as POSSIBLE options. green is highly, highly unlikely, bowers seems to be falling pretty fast, so it really only leaves 4 possible options. miller is more of a 3-4 guy on top of that, so down to 3. barring a tradeback, smart money has to be on one of those guys.

BroncoMan4ever
03-23-2011, 10:37 PM
Not at all. I was simply pointing out how absurd your earlier contention was that:



Seems you are backing away from that now and understand that they will be judged on the draft as a whole so it's all good.

not backing away at all.

if you have the choice between a scenario in which you can have either the very best DT prospect in the draft or the very best Corner in the draft, you take the DT.

any scenario of drafting Peterson leaves the team drafting the 2nd and 3rd tier front 7 guys who are going to be expected to come in and have immediate impact on a very weak team, and that leaves a situation where the number 2 overall pick doesn't have nearly as big of an impact on a Defense because as Champ Bailey can tell you, the CB position can be completely avoided. so even if Peterson is an all pro in the making it won't matter 1 bit as he won't make any impact and that won't offset the potential lack of impact the 2nd and 3rd tier guys in the middle and later rounds have

now on the other hand, you draft Dareus, you get the very best DT in the draft and a guy playing a position that has impact on the rest of the Defense. so even if the rest of the draft is full of 2nd and 3rd tier guys who have no impact at all, you still got a top flight DT that makes an impact and that helps the rest of the D. and with that DT, that will drastically upgrade the front 7, we would be in a in a situation where we could mask the deficiencies and age of our secondary. have an elite secondary isn't going to mask a weak front 7

BroncoMan4ever
03-23-2011, 10:39 PM
Agreed...I'd take that all day.

Edit: I wouldn't take a MIKE at all in this draft unless it's a 4th round (which we don't currently have) or higher. All you are going to get is a rotational type. Go BPA somewhere else and target an impact MLB in 2012.

Would be stoked with the 2 DT's and safety though.

i agree, my preferred scenario would be us being able to get Poszluzny, Ruud or someone already in the league that can potentially fill the spot long term, or as a stop gap until next seasons draft

i was just in my mini mock looking to address all 3 layers of the defense

NFLBRONCO
03-23-2011, 10:43 PM
since it wont be a QB, that leaves von miller, AJ green, peterson, fairley, dareus, bowers as POSSIBLE options. green is highly, highly unlikely, bowers seems to be falling pretty fast, so it really only leaves 4 possible options. miller is more of a 3-4 guy on top of that, so down to 3. barring a tradeback, smart money has to be on one of those guys.

I think it is down to Dareus Fairley Bowers Peterson. Miller is 3-4 guy and no way on Green.

epicSocialism4tw
03-23-2011, 10:54 PM
I think it is down to Dareus Fairley Bowers Peterson. Miller is 3-4 guy and no way on Green.

Miller is in the discussion.

HAT
03-23-2011, 10:56 PM
Are we focusing too much on two players? Denver may like other players better.

Very true. I think the reason we are mostly focusing on those two is b/c they are guaranteed one or the other if they stay at #2. Miller's right up there talent wise & if they were sticking with a 3-4 I believe he'd be in the mix.

I'm down with just about any of the top 5-7 defensive players if they can move back some.

My dream draft would be moving back once and then moving up once more into the first. Even if we have to sacrifice some value on the proverbial chart.

Let's just use SF as an example b/c they could want Gabbert (or Peterson for that matter....)

Trade #2 for their 2011 2nd (#45) , 4th (#105) & 2012 2nd. (That's +150 chart value for SF if you assume their 2012 2nd rounder is mid-pack.)

Then flip 45 & 46 to NE for #17. (That's +40 for NE & leaves them with 28, 33, 45 & 46 which is Beli's MO)

Could you ****ing imagine something like:

7) Miller DE
17) Liuget DT
36) Moore S
67) Jurell Casey DT
105) Casey Mathews LB

:yayaya:

JDB7821
03-23-2011, 11:01 PM
I don't think the Panthers take Dareus first overall. I think with everyone knowing a rookie wage scale is inevitable it would be extremely stupid not to take a quarterback since it won't handicap the team financially like in years past. Quick two round mock for the Broncos: Marcell Dareus, Bruce Carter, Davon House. Sets up a few building blocks along with Dumervil and Ayers.

yerner
03-23-2011, 11:05 PM
Most of the time the broncos end up with guys no one talks about pre draft like Richard Quinn and Darcel Mcbath. Pretty pointless to predict.

HAT
03-23-2011, 11:13 PM
A) not backing away at all.

B) any scenario of drafting Peterson leaves the team drafting the 2nd and 3rd tier front 7 guys

Look, everybody has their opinions on this but despite probably 100+ pages of discussion in a dozen separate threads....Nobody's changing anybody's mind. Nothing wrong with that.

But just to address the above two statements:

By backing away from your OP...I meant that you made a blanket statement, that without exception, taking Peterson at #2 = a failed draft. One that would get the FO fired within 3 years. I simply pointed out that they will be judged on it's entirety and that there's very possible scenarios that a draft that included Peterson at #2 could be more successful than one that included Dareus there.

And I wholeheartedly disagree with B) above. Dareus may be tier 1 by default this year but I'd put Fairley, Liuget, Wilkerson, Paea & Taylor in 1a. One of them will be there at 36 and if not they still have 36 & 46 to move back into the first if they wanted. So, yeah, it's unfair to say "any scenario of drafting PP" will lead to lesser talent at DT IMO. The drop between Dareus and the next 4-5 is not as big as people are making it out to be. Call it Suh syndrome if you will.

HAT
03-23-2011, 11:14 PM
Most of the time the broncos end up with guys no one talks about pre draft like Richard Quinn and Darcel Mcbath. Pretty pointless to predict.

Of course....But it's ****ing March and there's nothing else to talk about. ^5

HAT
03-23-2011, 11:22 PM
I don't think the Panthers take Dareus first overall. I think with everyone knowing a rookie wage scale is inevitable it would be extremely stupid not to take a quarterback since it won't handicap the team financially like in years past. Quick two round mock for the Broncos: Marcell Dareus, Bruce Carter, Davon House. Sets up a few building blocks along with Dumervil and Ayers.

I wouldn't mind Carter at 46 at all and could maybe live with House at 67 depending on what needs got filled first.....

But I'd puke if they took Carter at 36 AND followed it up with House at 46.

:gus:

rugbythug
03-24-2011, 08:43 AM
I predict we drop back to 5 with az jumping up for gabbert. Targeting vonn miller

zdoor
03-24-2011, 08:53 AM
Of course....But it's ****ing March and there's nothing else to talk about. ^5

Minor detail....

NFLBRONCO
03-24-2011, 09:18 AM
I predict we drop back to 5 with az jumping up for gabbert. Targeting vonn miller

Where do we play him?

HAT
03-24-2011, 09:24 AM
I predict we drop back to 5 with az jumping up for gabbert. Targeting vonn miller

'Zona isn't interested in a QB in the first round.

Kaylore
03-24-2011, 09:26 AM
Most of the time the broncos end up with guys no one talks about pre draft like Richard Quinn and Darcel Mcbath. Pretty pointless to predict.

We worked those players out. Also with McD gone, I'm curious to see how things are run differently with Fox and Elway having say and with Xanders presumably more empowered. We'll see if things are run differently this time.

tsiguy96
03-24-2011, 09:28 AM
'Zona isn't interested in a QB in the first round.

not true, go read all recent reports about them and gabbert. he will likely go to carolina #1, i dont see how carolina can invest in cam newton right now.

ColoradoBuff
03-24-2011, 09:42 AM
so you're automatically saying that if we take Dareus at 2, basicaly the rest of our draft will suck, and if we get Peterson the rest of the draft will be good?

also, Dareus is that much better than the other DT in this draft that i want him in Denver badly. Paea will be long gone before 36, not particularly high on Carter

how about a draft like this

#2 - Dareus DT
36 - Phil Taylor DT
46 - Rahim Moore S
67 - Colin McCarthy MLB

massive DT's with the 1st 2 picks that give us a big line that makes it almost impossible to use double teams on Doom or Ayers(if he can rush the passer at all) big help to the LB corps that helps shut running lanes down and lets our LBs play simple read and react and just make tackles.

Rahim Moore at 46 is the best S prospect in this draft class and gets us some much needed youth behind our aged starters

McCarthy gives us a good MLB that we can use and allow DJ to return to his natural WLB position

throw in Virgil Green at some point and you have a strong draft.


so to answer your question, yes i am completely against drafting Peterson at 2, simply because he doesn't play a position of need, and the aquisition of a Corner no matter how good does not improve the play of the defense overall.

if i am making the picks and knew exactly how career would pan out and the choice is either a good starting DT that will provide good play and solid production for the next 5-10 years or a CB that will have a pro bowl career, i am taking the DT, simply because his position has more of an impact on the rest of the Defense.


Saying Rahim Moore is the best S in this class, isn't saying much! This S class is the weakest it has been in years! I like your thinking...although I would change MLB Quan Sturdivant @ 46 and put Moore @ 67.

rugbythug
03-24-2011, 10:17 AM
Where do we play him?

Slb and pass rusher in nickle

JDB7821
03-24-2011, 10:39 AM
I wouldn't mind Carter at 46 at all and could maybe live with House at 67 depending on what needs got filled first.....

But I'd puke if they took Carter at 36 AND followed it up with House at 46.

:gus:

Why exactly? Is there a bigger need somewhere else or do you just not want to go completely defense in the draft? I know a running back needs to be brought in for insurance, but I still believe Knowshon has the ability to be a top running back. I just thought it'd be smart to get a building block at every level of the defense in the first two rounds.

BroncoMan4ever
03-24-2011, 12:42 PM
Where do we play him?

imagine a style of play similar to what Terrell Suggs does in Baltimore, or what Juliam peterson used to do.

he can be an all over the place type of player that will need to be accounted for whenever he is on the field. good tackler, would be great in blitz packages, can put his hand in the dirt and rush off the line.

just for a minute imagine lining Miller up right behind Doom in a pass rush situation. Send both of them off the edge and 1 of 2 things happen. the 2 of them is way too much to handle and sacks or hits on the QB that make him rush the throw happen, or the opposition slides over extra help to contain them and Ayers on the opposite side is left unblocked or facing one on ones

HAT
03-24-2011, 01:01 PM
Why exactly? Is there a bigger need somewhere else or do you just not want to go completely defense in the draft? I know a running back needs to be brought in for insurance, but I still believe Knowshon has the ability to be a top running back. I just thought it'd be smart to get a building block at every level of the defense in the first two rounds.

Well, first of all....My preference would be Peterson in the first and then some combo of DL/DL/LB or DL/DL/S. So yes, I do want all defense early.

But even if if they take Dareus I think there will still be another impact DL at 36 that would be a better pick than Carter there. If they went Dareus, BPA DL, and then Carter at 46...I'm down.

As for House....Outside of Peterson, I really don't want a CB with any of the existing first four picks unless it's Peterson. Now if they traded back & acquired extra picks...I could live with a 3rd round CB selection if somebody drops and they've already picked up a couple of DL, a LB and maybe a safety.

HAT
03-24-2011, 01:05 PM
imagine a style of play similar to what Terrell Suggs does in Baltimore, or what Juliam peterson used to do.

he can be an all over the place type of player that will need to be accounted for whenever he is on the field. good tackler, would be great in blitz packages, can put his hand in the dirt and rush off the line.

just for a minute imagine lining Miller up right behind Doom in a pass rush situation. Send both of them off the edge and 1 of 2 things happen. the 2 of them is way too much to handle and sacks or hits on the QB that make him rush the throw happen, or the opposition slides over extra help to contain them and Ayers on the opposite side is left unblocked or facing one on ones

Would be killer. Trade or no trade, I really hope Denver ends up with one of the 3 and not Bowers or Fairley.

Doggcow
03-24-2011, 01:29 PM
I like how he says we need a player that can play on the line, or linebacker in a 3-4. When we have doom coming back.

What a ****ing tool.

BroncoMan4ever
03-24-2011, 01:53 PM
I like how he says we need a player that can play on the line, or linebacker in a 3-4. When we have doom coming back.

What a ****ing tool.

Doom coming back iisn't a cure-all for this defense. it is a massive help, but we need another player or 2 that can get consistent pressure on the QB.

i love Doom, but in his 17 sack season, 10 of his sacks came by week 6, and he only had 2 the last 4 weeks of the season.

teams began to key on him and his number dropped off. get another guy that needs to be accounted for and we can see consistency in Doom's week to week sack numbers

BroncoInferno
03-24-2011, 02:21 PM
i love Doom, but in his 17 sack season, 10 of his sacks came by week 6, and he only had 2 the last 4 weeks of the season.

7 sacks in 10 games is still top quality production. It projects out to 11 sacks over 16 games. It wasn't very likely under even the best of circumstances that he would maintain the torrid pace he set in the first 6 games, which would have projected out to 26.5 sacks over 16 games.

That said, I agree with your general premise that Doom needs another guy who can get after the QB to take some of the pressure off him.

2KBack
03-24-2011, 02:49 PM
Doom coming back iisn't a cure-all for this defense. it is a massive help, but we need another player or 2 that can get consistent pressure on the QB.

i love Doom, but in his 17 sack season, 10 of his sacks came by week 6, and he only had 2 the last 4 weeks of the season.

teams began to key on him and his number dropped off. get another guy that needs to be accounted for and we can see consistency in Doom's week to week sack numbers

There's more to that stat than meets the eye though. The Run defense was collapsing at the end of the season as well...I highly doubt teams dropped back as often, and they sure as hell weren't in 3rd and long situations.

CEH
03-24-2011, 03:32 PM
I don't think in a 4-3 Doom will be going against TE like he did in the 3-4
I think you'd be suprised how many sacks came against a TE. I expect a 10-12 sack season from Elvis if he comes back strong.

I'd have to do some research but I don't recall Elvis doing a lot in December when the team needs him most

NFLBRONCO
03-24-2011, 03:54 PM
imagine a style of play similar to what Terrell Suggs does in Baltimore, or what Juliam peterson used to do.

he can be an all over the place type of player that will need to be accounted for whenever he is on the field. good tackler, would be great in blitz packages, can put his hand in the dirt and rush off the line.

just for a minute imagine lining Miller up right behind Doom in a pass rush situation. Send both of them off the edge and 1 of 2 things happen. the 2 of them is way too much to handle and sacks or hits on the QB that make him rush the throw happen, or the opposition slides over extra help to contain them and Ayers on the opposite side is left unblocked or facing one on ones

Thanks for breakdown

KipCorrington25
03-24-2011, 06:35 PM
Most of the time the broncos end up with guys no one talks about pre draft like Richard Quinn and Darcel Mcbath. Pretty pointless to predict.

Nor do they talk about them after the draft... :cuss::gus::moody:

Doggcow
03-24-2011, 07:01 PM
7 sacks in 10 games is still top quality production. It projects out to 11 sacks over 16 games. It wasn't very likely under even the best of circumstances that he would maintain the torrid pace he set in the first 6 games, which would have projected out to 26.5 sacks over 16 games.

That said, I agree with your general premise that Doom needs another guy who can get after the QB to take some of the pressure off him.

Yes, but still, Doom will be a MAJOR boon to this defense. Also, it's not like he was performing with the best of Oline's or offenses to work with. Imagine if we had had consistent leads? or even a mediocre D-line? He might have set a record.

I'm not saying another pass rusher wouldn't be welcome, but it's far from most important. We need LINE more than anything, and TALENT. So I'd much prefer Dareus, or Peterson.

BroncoMan4ever
03-25-2011, 12:41 AM
There's more to that stat than meets the eye though. The Run defense was collapsing at the end of the season as well...I highly doubt teams dropped back as often, and they sure as hell weren't in 3rd and long situations.

no doubt, my point was simplified, but basically what i mean with Doom is, as good as he is and has shown himself to be, imagine what he would look like if he had a partner on the line that needs almost as much notice every single snap. if Ayers is player. if we get Dareus and he can cause some disruption up the middle, if we get Miller and he is like Suggs for us, Doom's production goes through the roof. no longer would he be fighting double teams, having an offense's main duty be to stop him, instead it becomes a situation where you can't key on him anymore.