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BMarsh615
03-22-2011, 10:17 AM
The competition committee’s proposal to adjust kickoff rules, which seemingly came out of nowhere last week and was roundly criticized by coaches, wound up being approved in modified form on Tuesday.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that kickoffs will be moved from the 30-yard line to the 35-yard line next season. Touchbacks will continue to be returned to the 20-yard line.

This rule change will still have a big impact on Sundays. There will be far more touchbacks and possibly less need for kickoff specialists. (Then again, you could argue that a specialist that could guarantee a touchback almost every time would be even more valuable.)

More (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/22/kickoffs-will-be-moved-to-35-yard-line/)
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/22/kickoffs-will-be-moved-to-35-yard-line/

BigPlayShay
03-22-2011, 10:20 AM
Stupid.

RhymesayersDU
03-22-2011, 10:23 AM
RABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLE

Beantown Bronco
03-22-2011, 10:23 AM
My adopt a bronco is no doubt masturbating in a corner right about now.

Mogulseeker
03-22-2011, 10:25 AM
I'm not a big fan of this... Prater was pretty consistently putting them behind the goal line.

WolfpackGuy
03-22-2011, 10:25 AM
When they went from the orange tees to the shorter black kicking tees, it had more of an effect than moving the kickoffs to the 30.

Interesting.

HAT
03-22-2011, 10:26 AM
So they're just going back to how it was from '74-'94.....What's the problem?

worm
03-22-2011, 10:30 AM
So much for Patrick Peterson's almost 1000 yards returning kickoffs last year at LSU.

bronco militia
03-22-2011, 10:32 AM
so they compromised (30 instead of 25 yard line).

Matt Prater is going to own at home

Beantown Bronco
03-22-2011, 10:38 AM
so they compromised (30 instead of 25 yard line).

Huh?

There wasn't a compromise by anyone as far as I can tell. It is one sided in favor of the kicking team. The "compromised" proposal was moving the 1st down spot to the 25 in the event of a touchback. This new rule completely penalizes the receiving team and rewards the kicking team.

HAT
03-22-2011, 10:43 AM
This new rule completely penalizes the receiving team and rewards the kicking team.

It's hardly new or revolutionary....They're just reverting back to an old rule.

bronco militia
03-22-2011, 10:44 AM
Huh?

There wasn't a compromise by anyone as far as I can tell. It is one sided in favor of the kicking team. The "compromised" proposal was moving the 1st down spot to the 25 in the event of a touchback. This new rule completely penalizes the receiving team and rewards the kicking team.

my bad...misunderstood the new ruling....

Garcia Bronco
03-22-2011, 10:47 AM
Well.... we won't see returns in Denver. Every kick will go into the stands.

jonny1
03-22-2011, 10:50 AM
It is really going to hurt teams that traditionally have good return special teams, like the Bears.

Garcia Bronco
03-22-2011, 10:51 AM
As someone pointed out this is the old rule.

Beantown Bronco
03-22-2011, 10:54 AM
It's hardly new or revolutionary....They're just reverting back to an old rule.

I understand that. It just seems to go against the entire direction the league was going in (more big plays, exciting plays, and more scoring).

Was there really a need for this? It's not like teams were returning kicks for TDs left and right, and the whole "player safety" argument is extremely exaggerated when it comes to kickoffs.

ColoradoDarin
03-22-2011, 10:58 AM
I liked the compromise version better (kickoff at the 35, but touchbacks are brought out to the 25), it would allow for strategy of kicking it shorter & higher and try to stop them short of the 25. Maybe we should eliminate kickoffs altogether, just start at the 20 every time... I guess it's for safety for the gunners, wedge (wedgers?) and returners

Beantown Bronco
03-22-2011, 11:01 AM
I liked the compromise version better (kickoff at the 35, but touchbacks are brought out to the 25), it would allow for strategy of kicking it shorter & higher and try to stop them short of the 25.

Bingo. My thoughts as well.

BMarsh615
03-22-2011, 11:07 AM
https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/50249735793164288

Also on the kickoff changes - players on coverage team must line up within 5 yards of the 35. Can no longer get 15-yard running start

baja
03-22-2011, 11:18 AM
I think this must be injury related. I bet a high % of injuries happen on kick off returns and this rule will allow for more touchbacks.

Jetmeck
03-22-2011, 11:21 AM
I'm not a big fan of this... Prater was pretty consistently putting them behind the goal line.

I DONT THINK HE WAS.......not even consistently at home.......especially late in season

Beantown Bronco
03-22-2011, 11:28 AM
I DONT THINK HE WAS.......not even consistently at home.......especially late in season

Huh? He missed the last 4 games of the season. That was someone else kicking off for us late in the season!

And despite only playing in 12 games, he was still 6th in the entire league in touchbacks (3rd in the league in TB percentage). That's pretty damn impressive.

oubronco
03-22-2011, 11:33 AM
they ought to give the kickers a point for kicking it thru the uprights

baja
03-22-2011, 11:44 AM
I think they should put a handle on the football to cut down on fumbles

broncosteven
03-22-2011, 11:45 AM
As someone pointed out this is the old rule.

yep,

The whole reason they moved the kickoffs back to the 30 was to get more exciting returns. They did, hence Devin Hester, Dainty Hall etc but they also started getting life threatening injuries like the dude who HIXON paralized so now they are moving it back.

I always hated seeing cheap points scored on returns, mostly likely due to the fact that we never seem to be able to find a speed guy who can take one to the house.

I would much rather see a nice long 80 yard TD drive or even a nice long 1 play TD drive on O than a 100+ yard TD return.

Beantown Bronco
03-22-2011, 11:55 AM
yep,

The whole reason they moved the kickoffs back to the 30 was to get more exciting returns. They did, hence Devin Hester, Dainty Hall etc but they also started getting life threatening injuries like the dude who HIXON paralized so now they are moving it back.

If that's the real reason they're changing it back, I'd be really disappointed. I mean, seriously, one serious injury what? 5 years ago? There are no more serious injuries on kickoffs than there are on other non-kickoff plays. It's just for some reason they always get talked about more.

Either keep them as-is or do away with them altogether. If you're REALLY concerned about player health, and you can prove that kickoffs are more dangerous than other plays, then you have to do the latter. You don't just move the kickoff spot.

DrFate
03-22-2011, 12:14 PM
If this change is to prevent kickoff related injuries, why not just get rid of kickoffs?

Seriously - if kickoffs are dangerous, and they want to minimize that danger, just give the other team the ball at the 25 or something.

cmhargrove
03-22-2011, 12:51 PM
Don't we need games first before this becomes an issue?

How about fixing the damn league first, then we can figure out kickoffs.

broncosteven
03-22-2011, 12:54 PM
If that's the real reason they're changing it back, I'd be really disappointed. I mean, seriously, one serious injury what? 5 years ago? There are no more serious injuries on kickoffs than there are on other non-kickoff plays. It's just for some reason they always get talked about more.

Either keep them as-is or do away with them altogether. If you're REALLY concerned about player health, and you can prove that kickoffs are more dangerous than other plays, then you have to do the latter. You don't just move the kickoff spot.

One article I read was that the avg kick land around the 5 1/2, moving it back 5 yards would put it inside the 1 so there will still be returns they just won't have the option of wedges on receiving team and running starts on kick team.

Guys will still be flying down and the potential is still there for guys to get hurt tackling but they are hoping the # of TB's goes up to reduce the chance.

It is like playing russian roulette with 2 bullets instead of 4. People are still going to get hurt and the potiential for a big return is still there, we just may not see anyone put up Hester like numbers on kickoffs.

HAT
03-22-2011, 12:55 PM
If I was in charge I'd eliminate the 'optional' touch back altogether. That is, touch backs only allowed if the ball goes through the end zone untouched or bounces out of bounds after crossing the goal line. If you catch it in the end zone, you have to bring it out. :thumbs:

Dr. Broncenstein
03-22-2011, 01:17 PM
Good news for us. We can't return them.... can't cover them either.

Doggcow
03-22-2011, 01:19 PM
Well our special teams generally suck. So I think this favors us, as we don't run kicks back anyway.

theAPAOps5
03-22-2011, 01:23 PM
Well a lot of souvenirs will be kicked to fans at Mile High in the coming seasons.

Cmac821
03-22-2011, 01:30 PM
When will kicking it through the up-rights on a kickoff count for points?

chadta
03-22-2011, 02:37 PM
just said on sportsnet up here that also the booth will review all scoring plays

Pony Boy
03-22-2011, 02:49 PM
Devin Hester better work on his pass route skills.

broncosteven
03-22-2011, 02:51 PM
Devin Hester better work on his pass route skills.

He will get his chances on Punt returns, they usually like to spell him on KO's with Manning and that other young WR anyway.

Pendejo
03-22-2011, 03:07 PM
just said on sportsnet up here that also the booth will review all scoring plays

This one could go either way. If they're smart they will completely ignore the NHL's model. Cripes...Toronto has been especially terrible this year.

The main problem with the replays is that they only follow the rules as they are written...completely ignoring the spirit of the things and common sense. As Mike Ditka said in regards to the so called tuck rule game (paraphrasing) "If twenty guys sitting in a bar think it's a fumble...it's a fumble." The point being that at some times common sense has to hold sway over the over-thinking of the minutiae of what a rule is intended to mean vis a vis what actually happened on the field.

As far as the kickoff rule...they are clearly trying to lessen the odds of serious injuries. Guys go down on special teams every week. The kickoff is the only play in the game in which these thoroughbreds get a full head of steam before they crash into each other with what really is a fantastic amount of force. I don't think it (moving up the tee) will impact the game as much as some think. Especially with the way teams chuck the rock around these days.

epicSocialism4tw
03-22-2011, 03:21 PM
I like this idea. Too many players get injured on kickoffs. They're head injury central.

Aside from the fact that I think my girlfriends' dog is smarter than he is, this is another reason not to take Patrick Peterson.

cutthemdown
03-22-2011, 03:29 PM
Rule changes suck. This negates the advantage of having a great kicker, or a great returner.

Oh and I bet by end of year there are just as many injuries.

cutthemdown
03-22-2011, 03:30 PM
Actually there isn't any proof players get hurt more on kickoffs or returning kicks. It's actually punts they get hurt most on because they have to run back, then set up, then try and locate ball, then block.

cutthemdown
03-22-2011, 03:31 PM
This just is in from meeting. DE will have to count 1 mississippi, 2 mississippi, 3 mississippi before they can rush the qb.

DHallblows
03-22-2011, 03:48 PM
Given our terrible kick return and kickoff coverage.....I'm over it

serious hops
03-22-2011, 04:03 PM
I'm not suggesting that player safety shouldn't be an important consideration, but at the end of the day you simply can't legislate injury out of the game without altering it beyond recognition. I wish they would focus more on helmet technology and researching treatment rather than continuing to fiddle with the rules. They can ban James Harrison from the sport and take away kick-offs entirely, and guys will still manage to find ways to get hurt.

The league would also be a lot better served improving the health care coverage for former players than trying to fine current defensive players into submission-- IF the league actually cares about player health and safety, which I question.

Pony Boy
03-22-2011, 04:45 PM
Just put flags on them

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
03-22-2011, 04:55 PM
Given our terrible kick return and kickoff coverage.....I'm over it

Ha, that's what I was thinkin'.

extralife
03-22-2011, 05:12 PM
this is dumb as hell. why take returners out of the game? why reward teams with crappy special teams by allowing them to essentially opt out of the return game? all this does is make football less interesting.

Devin Hester and Josh Cribbs just lost some cash today.

HAT
03-22-2011, 05:24 PM
Again...This is much ado about nothing.

A) It's just reverting back to a rule that existed for 20 years prior to 1994.

B) Once Sundays roll around...Not a person here will be thinking..."****! I really wish these kickers were kicking off from the 30 instead of the damn 35!"

SonOfLe-loLang
03-22-2011, 05:24 PM
Im not sure how any bronco fan can NOT be happy about this. How many freaking times have we been up 14 only to give up a huge kick return to swing momentum. Plus, we annually blow at returns. I'm fine with it.

cutthemdown
03-22-2011, 06:30 PM
Good for us though. Since we stink at covering them and returning them I would think we love this move.

epicSocialism4tw
03-22-2011, 08:27 PM
Im not sure how any bronco fan can NOT be happy about this. How many freaking times have we been up 14 only to give up a huge kick return to swing momentum. Plus, we annually blow at returns. I'm fine with it.

Our kick returners dont get a chance to return kicks for 8 games out of the season anyway. Opposing kickers see Denver on the schedule and see visions of touchbacks dancing in their heads.

Taco John
03-22-2011, 08:28 PM
I'm trying to understand the motivation behind this change. So far as I can tell, the real effect of this is that it removes differentiation at the kicker level making a weaker kicker just as valuable as a counterpart who has a 5 yard per kick stronger leg. This effectively eliminates the need for kickoff specialists. I suppose it opens up a roster spot that had been taken by a kicker.

Dukes
03-22-2011, 08:56 PM
Well a lot of souvenirs will be kicked to fans at Mile High in the coming seasons.

They will just raise the extra point net

cmhargrove
03-22-2011, 08:59 PM
Just put flags on them

Anyone spot the camel toe? Not that I'm looking.

I'm a married spud, I'm a married spud....

BigPlayShay
03-22-2011, 09:13 PM
If the rationale is to reduce the number of injuries, then this is the wrong way to go about it. With an increase in touchbacks and/or shorter returns, that means you will probably have a greater number of drives that stall out. Thus more punts, which is a much more dangerous play in terms of injuries.

Gort
03-23-2011, 03:55 AM
I think they should put a handle on the football to cut down on fumbles

Quentin Griffin agrees wholeheartedly.

Gort
03-23-2011, 04:01 AM
guys will still manage to find ways to get hurt.



http://failuremag.com/index.php/feature/article/are_you_ready_for_some_football_injuries/

Beantown Bronco
03-23-2011, 06:42 AM
Seahawks must be pretty ticked right about now. Just about a month ago, they gave Leon Washington $20 million to essentially return kicks. Suckers.

Pick Six
03-23-2011, 10:50 AM
OK. Now that they have that settled, can they PLEASE get it settled on when we'll actually HAVE our next kickoff? :pray: