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v2micca
03-21-2011, 05:32 AM
There is a strange twisted logic to it though.

http://www.thelocal.de/politics/20110312-33671.html

mkporter
03-21-2011, 10:00 AM
There is a strange twisted logic to it though.

http://www.thelocal.de/politics/20110312-33671.html

Agreed, he moved so far to the right, that she wrapped around to the left.

epicSocialism4tw
03-21-2011, 01:51 PM
A transexual neo-nazi as a leftist socialist? Nobody should be surprised at that. Thats like a dream come true for the hard-left in America. I think thats what they all aspire to be.

Chris
03-21-2011, 01:59 PM
http://www.skai.gr/files/temp/0BC42BCB81F12A7CC9BF1C9A16003912.jpg

underrated29
03-21-2011, 02:03 PM
http://www.skai.gr/files/temp/0BC42BCB81F12A7CC9BF1C9A16003912.jpg



My god. Off topic, but if Aliens were real and were studying us and whatnot I would love to hear their reactions to people (men) turing themselves into women. LMAO. Just think about it as an outside observer. i mean wtf?

enjolras
03-21-2011, 02:13 PM
A transexual neo-nazi as a leftist socialist? Nobody should be surprised at that. Thats like a dream come true for the hard-left in America. I think thats what they all aspire to be.

Wouldn't a neo-nazi be a fascist?

epicSocialism4tw
03-21-2011, 02:27 PM
Wouldn't a neo-nazi be a fascist?

Nazis are socialists

gyldenlove
03-21-2011, 02:38 PM
Nazis are socialists

No, neonazis are very much fascists. It is true that Hitler's national socialist party was founded on a socialist platform that was enacted in the mid 1930's to rebuild the German economy and infrastructure both of which were in tatters, but neonazis are much more in the direction of Moussolini than Hitler when it comes to politics.

Many of them don't even share Hitler's views on people of slavonic descent, much less his views on government control of industry.

Rohirrim
03-21-2011, 02:45 PM
Nazis calling themselves socialists is like North Korea calling itself the People's Republic.

Broncos_OTM
03-21-2011, 03:20 PM
Nazis are socialists
You may want to look upbthe definition of a racism because. They are facist. And its not just socialist ...national socialist... huge difference ...

That One Guy
03-21-2011, 03:41 PM
You may want to look upbthe definition of a racism because. They are facist. And its not just socialist ...national socialist... huge difference ...

Is that random or the wrong word?

Arkie
03-21-2011, 03:45 PM
Nazis calling themselves socialists is like North Korea calling itself the People's Republic.

The Nazis were definitely anti-capitalists. They thought capitalism was created by Jews.

Tombstone RJ
03-21-2011, 03:46 PM
the nazis always take politicking to new levels...

DenverBrit
03-21-2011, 03:48 PM
Nazis are socialists

LOL

WTF did you learn in school?

It was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and antisemitism.[10] Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

Arkie
03-21-2011, 03:56 PM
LOL

WTF did you learn in school?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism



from your link:
In 1927, Hitler said: "We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

Fedaykin
03-21-2011, 04:01 PM
The Nazis were definitely anti-capitalists. They thought capitalism was created by Jews.

They were also anti-communist, though I'm sure you'll have issues processing that given that you probably think communism is the same thing as socialism.

They were centerist fiscally, and extreme right socially.

DenverBrit
03-21-2011, 04:09 PM
from your link:

Hitler said many things before he began invading his neighbors. He was another chronic liar. Nazis were Fascists.

World English Dictionary
fascism (ˈfæʃɪzəm)

— n
1. any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism

epicSocialism4tw
03-21-2011, 06:56 PM
No, neonazis are very much fascists. It is true that Hitler's national socialist party was founded on a socialist platform that was enacted in the mid 1930's to rebuild the German economy and infrastructure both of which were in tatters, but neonazis are much more in the direction of Moussolini than Hitler when it comes to politics.

Many of them don't even share Hitler's views on people of slavonic descent, much less his views on government control of industry.

I have to say, I'm not up on neo-nazism like some of the hard left wingers here. I know that Hitler was very much an anti-capitalist socialist that believed that the capitalist Jews were infiltrating his Aryan Germany.

Its funny how desperately American hard left wingers try to disassociate with Hitler now. They were all about him back before he invaded the Czechs. He was their prime example. Their golden boy. The progressive savior.

epicSocialism4tw
03-21-2011, 07:03 PM
They were centerist fiscally, and extreme right socially.

They were leftists socially and leftsts fiscally.

They were some of the main Eugenics movement progenitors, and were influenced by American racist Eugenicists like Margaret Sanger. Sanger wanted to "cleanse" American society from what she thought was useless riff-raff (that would be the poor, African Americans, Hispanics, gays, etc) and her method of carrying that out was Planned Parenthood and the Abortion industry. Hitler identified those same elements, mainly the Jews, and gassed them all. At least the Germans got rid of their genocide. America still clings to its Eugenics movement and calls it "womens reproductive rights". Pretty disgusting.

The Progressive movement that Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, and Obama proudly work for was born of genocide.

Look it up, folks.

Hotwheelz
03-21-2011, 07:20 PM
I have to say, I'm not up on neo-nazism like some of the hard left wingers here. I know that Hitler was very much an anti-capitalist socialist that believed that the capitalist Jews were infiltrating his Aryan Germany.

Its funny how desperately American hard left wingers try to disassociate with Hitler now. They were all about him back before he invaded the Czechs. He was their prime example. Their golden boy. The progressive savior.

http://www.kaitaia.com/funny/g2/d/14656-1/lolwut.jpg

broncosteven
03-21-2011, 07:33 PM
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The Progressive movement that Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, and Obama proudly work for was born of genocide.

Look it up, folks.

The genocide part was wrong but they got a lot right. The sad thing is that no one learned that genocide is wrong and the world has been racked with outbreaks of genocide throughout eastern Europe and Africa to this day.

No reason we can't take the good things they accomplished and tweak them to make our country better rather than watch other countries killing millions because they pray or believe a little differently than someone else does.

Jay3
03-21-2011, 07:39 PM
Fascists -- both the Third Reich and Mussolini -- were disaffected socialists, existing far to the left of American politics. They were termed "right wing" by the same Soviets who labeled Trotsky right wing. The left wing and right wing were two wings of one movement -- their main disagreement was over the issue of worldwide worker revolution. The Moscow "communists" (actually socialists) believed the entire movement must be under the heel of the "soviets" (worker committees).

The fascists, while holding to essentially the same platform of government as the socialists/communist, believed in the preservation of the nation-state, and the separate culture of the people within the nation. For this, fascism was deemed a communist heresy, although a close varaint.

Fascism practiced and extreme form of collectivism, subjecting almost every freedom and dignity of the individual to "the State," to which he owed his highest sacrifice.

Fascism had absolutely no love for capitalism, free market economics, or the libertarianism of American conservatives.

Fascism did practice the "class theory" type approach of Marx, only (in Germany) it claimed it was the Jews who had managed to scarf all the money and capital. You can take Marx and substitute "Jew" for "capitalist" and you've got very much the same message.

It is a constant, repeating refrain of leftist rhetoric to contend that there is a certain class oppressing another, and that the oppressed class should rise up and take power and money away from the oppressors. Fascism always contained this.

Hitler was a man of the Left.

epicSocialism4tw
03-21-2011, 07:47 PM
The genocide part was wrong but they got a lot right. The sad thing is that no one learned that genocide is wrong and the world has been racked with outbreaks of genocide throughout eastern Europe and Africa to this day.

No reason we can't take the good things they accomplished and tweak them to make our country better rather than watch other countries killing millions because they pray or believe a little differently than someone else does.

They can keep their Eugenic genocide policies (abortion), their social engineering based in elitism, and their love of the use of propaganda.

Jay3
03-21-2011, 07:52 PM
The biggest and irredeemable flaw of Progressivism is the desire to bring all things within the ambit of the state, the tendency to see government power is a irresistible agent to transform the culture.

It is fundamentally inconsistent with liberty.

broncosteven
03-21-2011, 07:57 PM
They can keep their Eugenic genocide policies (abortion), their social engineering based in elitism, and their love of the use of propaganda.

I agree about that. I wish kids in Africa weren't, drugged, brainwashed, and taught how to kill friends and family with no quarter as well.

UberBroncoMan
03-21-2011, 08:01 PM
Fascists -- both the Third Reich and Mussolini -- were disaffected socialists, existing far to the left of American politics. They were termed "right wing" by the same Soviets who labeled Trotsky right wing. The left wing and right wing were two wings of one movement -- their main disagreement was over the issue of worldwide worker revolution. The Moscow "communists" (actually socialists) believed the entire movement must be under the heel of the "soviets" (worker committees).

The fascists, while holding to essentially the same platform of government as the socialists/communist, believed in the preservation of the nation-state, and the separate culture of the people within the nation. For this, fascism was deemed a communist heresy, although a close varaint.

Fascism practiced and extreme form of collectivism, subjecting almost every freedom and dignity of the individual to "the State," to which he owed his highest sacrifice.

Fascism had absolutely no love for capitalism, free market economics, or the libertarianism of American conservatives.

Fascism did practice the "class theory" type approach of Marx, only (in Germany) it claimed it was the Jews who had managed to scarf all the money and capital. You can take Marx and substitute "Jew" for "capitalist" and you've got very much the same message.

It is a constant, repeating refrain of leftist rhetoric to contend that there is a certain class oppressing another, and that the oppressed class should rise up and take power and money away from the oppressors. Fascism always contained this.

Hitler was a man of the Left.

/clap

broncosteven
03-21-2011, 08:20 PM
The biggest and irredeemable flaw of Progressivism is the desire to bring all things within the ambit of the state, the tendency to see government power is a irresistible agent to transform the culture.

It is fundamentally inconsistent with liberty.

Can you have true liberty in urban/suburban settings where people live either on top of each other (in apartments) or in subdivisions where people live side by side with their neighbors?

I am not a big political person but now that I have more time to observe I am becoming more and more political.

Anyway every night I read the Laura Ingalls Little House series to my daughter and as we finished "Little House on the Praire" it occured to me that the original principals of democracy fit up until the Industrial Revolution. Back then Laura's dad moved the family out to Indian Territory built his own house, hunted his own game, grew their own food, trapped for furs to buy a plow in order to plow his own crop.

In this day and age I don't know of anywhere I could do all that. We are all shackled to 30 year mortgage's, credit debit, jobs. The whole paradigm shifted and we need to adapt to change. Trying to apply the freedom prior to Manifest Destiny and frontier settlement to today where my next door neighboor leaving his trash out in front of his house for days before pickup, multiple family's living there, and not keeping up with his house maintance effects my property values is alot different from protecting my property from rampaging bands of Indians or horse theives.

For me, Liberty has a totally different meaning than it did for any of the founding fathers.