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Requiem
03-17-2011, 09:41 PM
PFW has had a lot of great articles coming up (http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/03/17/low-wonderlic-scores-ding-elite-nfl-prospects)as the draft approaches and this one caught my eye. Not that the Wonderlic means that much, but it is a tool used by teams to assess the mental/intellectual abilities of prospects.

Small Excerpt:

"Peterson plays like a low-test guy," one NFL decision maker told PFW on the condition he remain anonymous, "but (if) he's in 'cat' (man-to-man) coverage in the NFL, it's not as big of an issue as it will be for offensive guys."

"He's a press corner," another longtime evaluator said. "His strong suit is that he can run and press. He won't play for the Patriots, where he's disguising coverage after coverage, but I still think he can be a No. 1 shutdown corner."


I'm still not too worried about this. There were a lot of posters on this board who deemed Clady TSTP (Too Stupid To Play) because he scored very low as well, but we all know how he turned out.

Pony Boy
03-17-2011, 09:52 PM
A single-digit wonderlic score is a red flag..........and anyone who says it's not has been smoking Baja's socks.

Dr. Broncenstein
03-17-2011, 09:53 PM
Single digit Wonderlic = illiteracy.

NUB
03-17-2011, 09:54 PM
I literally laughed outloud when I read this.

bowtown
03-17-2011, 09:56 PM
A scout with deep knowledge of the kid said, "The more I'm around him, the more I love him even more. I love the kid, and I love the talent. But I don't like the way he plays with his back to the ball. He has an instinct issue, and I think it's tied to his mental (ability). He can only handle so much. He's not a quick processor. It's a scary year to be drafting in the top 10 because they all have some issue."

You mean like every year about this time? You spend enough time trying to pick these kids apart, of course you are going to come up with issues. It's like they are running for political office.

Pony Boy
03-17-2011, 10:02 PM
Jake Locker 20
Cam Newton 21
Ryan Mallett 26
Blaine Gabbert 42

20 on the Wonderlic scale is considered the bare minimum to play quarterback in the NFL.

Exceptions to the rule Dan Marino and Jim Kelly's scored a 15
Jamarcus Russell got a 24

http://www.sbnation.com/2011-nfl-draft/2011/3/17/2056060/cam-newton-wonderlic-score-nfl-draft

bowtown
03-17-2011, 10:03 PM
Single digit Wonderlic = illiteracy.

Dos Prick peatersom smart as patone hillas?

beardedwonder
03-17-2011, 10:04 PM
I read mixed reports that Deion Super Prime Time Sanders scored between 7 and 13.

Seriously it's a DB not a QB. how smart does he need to be

40 > wonderlic

baja
03-17-2011, 10:12 PM
don't want him now not at #2

Pony Boy
03-17-2011, 10:13 PM
Dos Prick peatersom smart as patone hillas?

Hillis had a 17...... see the attached document

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listopencil
03-17-2011, 10:16 PM
I think it's a red flag, and I liked Peterson at #2. Doesn't mean he's not going to work out for whoever drafts him. But it's a red flag.

Pony Boy
03-17-2011, 10:19 PM
Vince Young was a single-digit guy with a 6........ that's pretty close to a pet rock.

listopencil
03-17-2011, 10:20 PM
I read mixed reports that Deion Super Prime Time Sanders scored between 7 and 13.

Seriously it's a DB not a QB. how smart does he need to be

40 > wonderlic


I've seen several NFL players succeed who were obviously dumb. Like LaDanian Thomlinson. I would have really loved to have the guy on the Broncos, but he's dumber than a bag of rocks.

DarkHorse
03-17-2011, 10:20 PM
Does the article actually mention the single digit score or what?


I just read an opinion in that excerpt, nothing more.

EDIT: Duh, clicking and reading link owns me.

listopencil
03-17-2011, 10:21 PM
Vince Young was a single-digit guy with a 6........ that's pretty close to a pet rock.

Well, yeah. Look how that turned out. He is supposed to be a QB though.

baja
03-17-2011, 10:22 PM
I've seen several NFL players succeed who were obviously dumb. Like LaDanian Thomlinson. I would have really loved to have the guy on the Broncos, but he's dumber than a bag of rocks.

Running backs can get away with that but corner is another story. Half of Champs game is mental.

listopencil
03-17-2011, 10:22 PM
Does the article actually mention the single digit score or what?


I just read an opinion in that excerpt, nothing more.

"Peterson was one of four prospects who recorded a dreaded single-digit score, which NFL teams often equate with getting their name right, tying with South Carolina's Chris Culliver for the lowest mark among all defensive backs as both correctly answered only nine questions on the 12-minute, 50-question test."

Is all I see.

listopencil
03-17-2011, 10:23 PM
Running backs can get away with that but corner is another story. Half of Champs game is mental.

True. I'd say more than half. A lot of these guys can run fast but if they can't figure out where they are supposed to be they aren't going to be able to play at an elite level.

mhgaffney
03-17-2011, 10:24 PM
Yeah -- but what about the killer instinct?

Can Wonderlic measure that?

listopencil
03-17-2011, 10:25 PM
Yeah -- but what about the killer instinct?

Can Wonderlic measure that?

You can be a raging inferno 12 yards away from the ball and nobody gives a ****.

bowtown
03-17-2011, 10:26 PM
Does the article actually mention the single digit score or what?


I just read an opinion in that excerpt, nothing more.

EDIT: Duh, clicking and reading link owns me.

Yeah but it's weird because there's this:

Peterson was one of four prospects who recorded a dreaded single-digit score, which NFL teams often equate with getting their name right, tying with South Carolina's Chris Culliver for the lowest mark among all defensive backs as both correctly answered only nine questions on the 12-minute, 50-question test.

But then there's also this:

Florida OT Carl Johnson produced the worst score among this draft class, registering a 6, and Oklahoma RB Kendall Hunter was the only other athlete to record a single digit, scoring a 9.

So which is it? Did they mean to add offensive to the second quote?

baja
03-17-2011, 10:27 PM
Yeah -- but what about the killer instinct?

Can Wonderlic measure that?

He's a corner back he needs brains to do his job at a high level. Get Mongo to play linebacker.

BMarsh615
03-17-2011, 10:28 PM
Guess that makes Dareus the "cleanest" prospect in the draft....

bowtown
03-17-2011, 10:29 PM
He's a corner back he needs brains to do his job at a high level. Get Mongo to play linebacker.

Totally disagree. LBs need to be some of the smartest on the field, especially Mikes.

footstepsfrom#27
03-17-2011, 10:29 PM
IQ exams are a lousy predictor of success, even outside the world of pro sports. The only consistant predictive correlation I can find with the Wonderlic to on-field performance is that there is no correlation to on-field performance. Someone mentioned literacy...I would bet that's the issue. Lots of these guys don't read well when they get to college and the team's do little about it. Some team drafting in the 2nd five is already salivating at the possibility he drops to them.

baja
03-17-2011, 10:30 PM
I'd take a flyer on a smart wise guy like warren Sapp long before a stupid boy scout.

baja
03-17-2011, 10:39 PM
Totally disagree. LBs need to be some of the smartest on the field, especially Mikes.

A team can afford one stupid linebacker as long as there is an al wilson on the field too.

bowtown
03-17-2011, 10:40 PM
I'd take a flyer on a smart wise guy like warren Sapp long before a stupid boy scout.

You raise an interesting choice. Sapp was a top prospect coming out and then he failed a drug test. Patrick Peterson scored poorly on the Wonderlic. Pretend you have no idea what Sapp's carrreer will be. If you had to choose between the two, which would you take (take positional need out of the equation)?

bowtown
03-17-2011, 10:45 PM
Hillis had a 17...... see the attached document

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Probabaly a lucky guesser.

listopencil
03-17-2011, 10:46 PM
Right now I'm thinking Marcel Dareus looks good.

baja
03-17-2011, 10:48 PM
You raise an interesting choice. Sapp was a top prospect coming out and then he failed a drug test. Patrick Peterson scored poorly on the Wonderlic. Pretend you have no idea what Sapp's carrreer will be. If you had to choose between the two, which would you take (take positional need out of the equation)?

Well you already know my choice.

teknic
03-17-2011, 10:51 PM
For the past couple weeks, I've really been set on drafting Peterson if he falls to us, but this is a pretty serious flag. I'm not saying that he can't succeed with a single digit score, but one of the things I liked about him was that he was a safe pick. Now I'm not so sure. You can't teach instinct, and he certainly couldn't learn anyways.

I'm back to supporting the selection of Dareus. Dareus at 2 sounds good to me, but I think we could see the Broncos trade back a couple picks. I don't want Fairley or Von Miller, although John Fox loves speed on his defenses and I could see him taking either one over Dareus. Maybe a trade back to around 5-7 so a team can jump past Buffalo and grab a QB, and we take whichever of Fairley, Von Miller, or Dareus that falls to us.

Trading back nets us anywhere from a 2nd to a 3rd, and if we can move Orton for a 2nd, we can easily trade back up into the first round, and come away with 4 top 50 players in this draft. Sounds good to me.

footstepsfrom#27
03-17-2011, 10:56 PM
For the past couple weeks, I've really been set on drafting Peterson if he falls to us, but this is a pretty serious flag. I'm not saying that he can't succeed with a single digit score, but one of the things I liked about him was that he was a safe pick. Now I'm not so sure. You can't teach instinct, and he certainly couldn't learn anyways.
I'm back to supporting the selection of Dareus.
The Wonderlic doesn't measure instinct.

strafen
03-17-2011, 10:56 PM
Vince Young was a single-digit guy with a 6........ that's pretty close to a pet rock.lol! :rofl:

listopencil
03-17-2011, 11:09 PM
For the past couple weeks, I've really been set on drafting Peterson if he falls to us, but this is a pretty serious flag. I'm not saying that he can't succeed with a single digit score, but one of the things I liked about him was that he was a safe pick. Now I'm not so sure. You can't teach instinct, and he certainly couldn't learn anyways.

I'm back to supporting the selection of Dareus. Dareus at 2 sounds good to me, but I think we could see the Broncos trade back a couple picks. I don't want Fairley or Von Miller, although John Fox loves speed on his defenses and I could see him taking either one over Dareus. Maybe a trade back to around 5-7 so a team can jump past Buffalo and grab a QB, and we take whichever of Fairley, Von Miller, or Dareus that falls to us.

Trading back nets us anywhere from a 2nd to a 3rd, and if we can move Orton for a 2nd, we can easily trade back up into the first round, and come away with 4 top 50 players in this draft. Sounds good to me.


Yeah, I feel pretty much the same way.

Mogulseeker
03-17-2011, 11:45 PM
Burn. I wanted this guy on our team... but a single-digit wonderlic is def a red flag.

schaaf
03-17-2011, 11:46 PM
This doesn't surprise me, he sounds like he really struggles in interviews and speaking

Lestat
03-17-2011, 11:52 PM
this could work out perfectly if Peterson is the guy Denver wants. people put too much stock in the wonderlic test. i know it's single digits and all, but a majority of the people who score high on it are crappy players or solid contributors but not stars.

you put on the game film, you work him out, interview him and go from that.
fans and scouts love to find any little fault in players to justify making them lower on the board. besides, does anyone really think that you can't learn from Champ Bailey when you are a 6-1+ 225 freak of nature with ball hawking skills?

DarkHorse
03-17-2011, 11:55 PM
this could work out perfectly if Peterson is the guy Denver wants. people put too much stock in the wonderlic test. i know it's single digits and all, but a majority of the people who score high on it are crappy players or solid contributors but not stars.

you put on the game film, you work him out, interview him and go from that.
fans and scouts love to find any little fault in players to justify making them lower on the board. besides, does anyone really think that you can't learn from Champ Bailey when you are a 6-1+ 225 mentally challenged freak of nature with ball hawking skills?

:thumbs:

Mogulseeker
03-18-2011, 12:03 AM
a majority of the people who score high on it are crappy players or solid contributors but not stars.



But the majority of stars scored high on it.

A lot of players fit the physical mold of an NFL star. The wonderlic is not definitive, but switf-thinking and intellect is the most undervalued measurable in evaluation of players.

Mogulseeker
03-18-2011, 12:05 AM
I mean, below 10 on the wonderlic is borderline down syndrome.

cutthemdown
03-18-2011, 12:14 AM
It doesn't mean he's not sly on the football field. Not like it's rocket science out there. The ball is snapped, the wr run around, you try and stop them from getting the ball. He's been playing the game his whole life.

Requiem
03-18-2011, 12:26 AM
It doesn't mean he's not sly on the football field. Not like it's rocket science out there. The ball is snapped, the wr run around, you try and stop them from getting the ball. He's been playing the game his whole life.

I brought up the issue because Fox is likely going to throw a lot of zone looks into his defense, which is going to bring about different recognitions and schemes than if Peterson was just allowed to wing it and play press man. In other words, does he have the capacity to play in a scheme where the coverages are more complex?

Probably, despite a low Wonderlic.

Just an article. Still like Peterson for us either way.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-18-2011, 12:32 AM
Why I don't really want us to draft peterson anyway, this is such a non story. He'll be fine. Playing cornerback in the NFL isnt brain surgery, its about being athletic. If he can memorize a few phone numbers, im sure he can figure it out

extralife
03-18-2011, 01:11 AM
forget NFL prospects. it's an embarrassment to the institutions that house these guys when someone scores in the single digits on the wonderlic. it makes a mockery of the educational system that (for some reason) we still tie to these developmental leagues.

KevinJames
03-18-2011, 02:13 AM
Honestly who the **** cares? How is a test score a red flag for a DB......wow

you really don't have to be book smart to play the CB position Deion Sanders scored a 7 and hes one of the best cover corners ever. Im sure Cromartie scored like a 2 lmao but hes still a pretty good CB his character thats a different question.

I think I could care less what score a defensive player gets on a 12 minute test with 50 questions.

razorwire77
03-18-2011, 02:41 AM
Ryan Clady = 13

George Foster = 26

just sayin. . .

OBF1
03-18-2011, 04:33 AM
Really??? Peterson is to stupid to know if the "Red flag" is even red. No worries.

epicSocialism4tw
03-18-2011, 04:40 AM
Being intelligent is what separates guys like Champ and Asamoagh from guys like Dale Carter and Pacman Jones.

I wouldnt have minded Peterson at all before, but I'd much rather they pass on him for Dareus or Miller now.

epicSocialism4tw
03-18-2011, 04:48 AM
You have to be a dadgum moron to get single digits on the wonderlic.

The wonderlic is not a difficult test at all.

What this shows is that this guy is not very bright to begin with, and that he didnt take the test seriously enough to prepare for it either. It kind of makes me wonder if he is the type of player that will put in as little intellectual work as he possibly has to and then will go out and wing it on Sundays. That wont cut it in the NFL. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, etc, eat guys like that for breakfast...they're always a few strategic moves ahead of them.

You dont want to spend the #2 pick on a player like that.

We have had enough stupidity with talent come through Denver and fail recently. Brandon Marshall, Jay Cutler, DJ Williams, etc. Jay didnt learn much over his tenure here, and Marshall never learned how to be responsible.

Pass on Peterson.

Beantown Bronco
03-18-2011, 05:21 AM
Ryan Clady = 13

George Foster = 26

just sayin. . .

Seriously, is it time to bump that Ryan Clady wonderlic thread? Unreal.

DHallblows
03-18-2011, 05:48 AM
There's a difference between a poor score on the test (13) and hardly spelling your name correctly (<10). It's just an embarrassment for his college and himself.

And I don't want us to spend a #2 pick on a CB anyway...

ColoradoDarin
03-18-2011, 06:39 AM
I didn't want him anyways, give me Dareus. I think the Wonderlic is overrated for the most part, but there is some minimum that you need to score - doesn't matter what your actual score is, just as long as it's above, say, 12-15? It means that you take you job seriously, that you put the mental work into it. Getting a 9 tells me that you didn't take the college seriously, and anything beyond playing isn't going to be serious for you either. For some guys that may be enough, Peterson will probably still be a good corner in the league, but it is a red flag.

BroncoInferno
03-18-2011, 06:45 AM
This would not be a problem if we are going to run a man-press scheme, but Fox has always been more of a zone guy. I think the pick's either going to be Dareus or Miller.

TheReverend
03-18-2011, 06:56 AM
ROFL

Welp. Finally found a flaw lol.

yerner
03-18-2011, 06:57 AM
It doesn't matter. He probably just didn't bother studying for it.

TheReverend
03-18-2011, 06:58 AM
I wonder if he did what Woodson did and just fill in bubble C all the way down?

oubronco
03-18-2011, 07:17 AM
Just take Dareus and be done with it

2KBack
03-18-2011, 07:38 AM
Didn't Darrelle Revis score a 10?

BroncoInferno
03-18-2011, 07:43 AM
Just take Dareus and be done with it

If I were a betting man, I'd say he goes #1 to Carolina. Maybe they will fall in love with one of the QBs.

teknic
03-18-2011, 07:54 AM
http://walterfootball.com/draftwonderlic.php

The real test generally has more difficult questions the further into questions you are, but how can anybody get single digits on this?

How about Prince Amukamara (after we trade down to around 10, we could receive a second AND third round rick, and make a deal to move back into the top 20 and grab Paea.). He is 6'0, 205, ran a 4.37 40, with a 38" vertical, and scored a 35 on the Wonderlic. Like Mayock said earlier in the year, Peterson is the best CB prospect in the draft, but Amukamara wasn't very far off. Somehow he got lost in the media frenzy around other top prospects.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X_VHEEySiQ

Steve Prefontaine
03-18-2011, 08:20 AM
One thing is for certain...Peterson can never play in McD's offense.

JJG
03-18-2011, 08:37 AM
http://walterfootball.com/draftwonderlic.php

The real test generally has more difficult questions the further into questions you are, but how can anybody get single digits on this?

everyone on here can get the first 10 questions right without giving it much thought. You could miss the next 40 in a row and still score higher than PP.

Honestly, I think someone would have to try to get less than a 10. You could guess on evey single question and get higher than a 10.

baja
03-18-2011, 08:48 AM
Why I don't really want us to draft peterson anyway, this is such a non story. He'll be fine. Playing cornerback in the NFL isnt brain surgery, its about being athletic. <b> If he can memorize a few phone numbers, im sure he can figure it out

Yes but you can't always make a phone call while on the field to buy a clue from someone with a brain.

TheChamp24
03-18-2011, 08:50 AM
Darrele Revis scored a 10
Charles Woodson scored a 15 apparently
Deion Sanders has a HIGH of a 13

People get too worked up in some of this crap.

TonyR
03-18-2011, 08:54 AM
Being intelligent is what separates guys like Champ and Asamoagh from guys like Dale Carter and Pacman Jones.

I wouldnt have minded Peterson at all before, but I'd much rather they pass on him for Dareus or Miller now.

We don't agree on much but we do here. I don't think you dismiss a player based on their Wonderlic alone but you do factor it in. And if you had Peterson and Dareus even on your board before this info you now have Dareus rated higher IMO.

Tombstone RJ
03-18-2011, 09:07 AM
single digits... I really, really hope this means he just didn't try. It's even more scary if he actually did try, but ended up scoring in single digits. What is worse, him being lazy and not trying, or him trying and being really stupid?

baja
03-18-2011, 09:28 AM
single digits... I really, really hope this means he just didn't try. It's even more scary if he actually did try, but ended up scoring in single digits. What is worse, him being lazy and not trying, or him trying and being really stupid?

To me the scary thing is these kids get coached up for this test.

bap454
03-18-2011, 09:35 AM
We don't agree on much but we do here. I don't think you dismiss a player based on their Wonderlic alone but you do factor it in. And if you had Peterson and Dareus even on your board before this info you now have Dareus rated higher IMO.

We are all assuming that we know Marcel's score. Im sure its not under a ten but damb I dont think it will be far off. Did anyone watch him on the NFL Network last night. The guys speaks reeeaaalll slow and was having problems putting words together. Then when Warren put him on the spot about Fairley, he choked up and couldn't put a sentence together. Warren had to jump in and basically put words in his mouth. Sure it might be just nerves but I will be surprised if he scores more than 20.

worm
03-18-2011, 09:50 AM
Gotta love that LSU education.

Hold that Tiger!!!

worm
03-18-2011, 09:52 AM
Personally, at #2 I want there to be as close to zero risk as possible. Denver NEEDS a blue chip hit with this pick, regardless of where on the defense the player lines up.

Unless you discount this test completely, Patrick's risk just went up.

bronco militia
03-18-2011, 10:00 AM
LSU is inda house!!!!!!

baja
03-18-2011, 10:10 AM
Gotta love that LSU education.

Hold that Tiger!!!

Let's let Champ make the call.... ;D

Pony Boy
03-18-2011, 10:11 AM
Asante Samuel by the Patriots Wonderlic score 10

An All-Pro and Pro Bowl selection in 2007 and Pro Bowl selections in 2008, 2009 and 2010, Samuel won two Super Bowl rings with the Patriots.

baja
03-18-2011, 10:15 AM
When I think back on the McDaniels era I think the first head scratcher for me was not letting Champ join training camp until he passed some PT test that Josh had cooked up. That was all ego and "I show you who is boss" stuff. He is lucky he did not alginate Champ. He did not fare so well with the lesser man Jay Cutler.

SouthStndJunkie
03-18-2011, 10:20 AM
Vince Young was a single-digit guy with a 6........ that's pretty close to a pet rock.

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oubronco
03-18-2011, 10:35 AM
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Hilarious! Only in Texass

Gort
03-18-2011, 10:35 AM
IQ exams are a lousy predictor of success, even outside the world of pro sports. The only consistant predictive correlation I can find with the Wonderlic to on-field performance is that there is no correlation to on-field performance. Someone mentioned literacy...I would bet that's the issue. Lots of these guys don't read well when they get to college and the team's do little about it. Some team drafting in the 2nd five is already salivating at the possibility he drops to them.

i'd imagine that the Wonderlic specifically tests for problem-solving and reasoning skills, but also for speed in coming up with an answer. 50 questions in 12 minutes means you have about 15 seconds to read/answer each question. add to that the pressure of doing "well", and i'm sure alot of players without alot of practice at these tests will panic a bit and not finish all of the questions.

i'm prepared to accept that a wonderlic score of 6 or 7 could strongly correlate to a guy who doesn't read well or reason quickly, but that's also part of his job on the field. he needs to quickly identify the opposing formations and know his role and get his job done.

i would be concerned about drafting a guy with a single digit score, even if i believed that same guy could get a perfect score on the wonderlic if given a full hour to answer all of the questions.

Popps
03-18-2011, 10:56 AM
Again, I gave my 11 year old (at the time) son a sample Wonderlic test and he scored in the low 20s.

Single digits on this test, and you're literally talking about a guy who would have serious trouble performing basic mental functions in society.

Anyway, talking a CB at #2 would be insanity, so this is just yet another reason.

NFLBRONCO
03-18-2011, 10:57 AM
Even though I have wanted Peterson at 2 all along I know Denver won't draft him. I have a weird feeling Miller is the top guy now. Even if its a guy I really don't want at 2 the most important thing is we must nail this pick who is an all pro player.

baja
03-18-2011, 11:00 AM
Again, I gave my 11 year old (at the time) son a sample Wonderlic test and he scored in the low 20s.

Single digits on this test, and you're literally talking about a guy who would have serious trouble performing basic mental functions in society.

Anyway, talking a CB at #2 would be insanity, so this is just yet another reason.

How ya doing Popps? ;D


Here's the thing if you think you are getting a complete player like a Champ Bailey than you take Peterson at #2

Anything less and the value is not there.

listopencil
03-18-2011, 11:20 AM
How ya doing Popps? ;D


Here's the thing if you think you are getting a complete player like a Champ Bailey than you take Peterson at #2

Anything less and the value is not there.

Yeah, that's the deal. Peterson at #2 was with the idea that you are getting a player like Bailey. If he's not that special player then I would rather get one of the D-Linemen.

broncogary
03-18-2011, 11:20 AM
When I think back on the McDaniels era I think the first head scratcher for me was not letting Champ join training camp until he passed some PT test that Josh had cooked up. That was all ego and "I show you who is boss" stuff. He is lucky he did not alginate Champ. He did not fare so well with the lesser man Jay Cutler.

Is that like radiation poisoning?

baja
03-18-2011, 11:22 AM
Is that like radiation poisoning?

LOL I see you don't know what it means/ ;D

HAT
03-18-2011, 11:23 AM
Excellent news.....Hopefully this makes Caro think twice and he falls in Denver's lap.

Cito Pelon
03-18-2011, 11:25 AM
I don't see how a poor Wonderlic will affect PP's draft status. Dude doesn't care about competing for any academic honors. Sure, it would be nice if he was so ultra-competitive he wanted to prove he could be a Supreme Court Justice or a Senator someday, but please.

bowtown
03-18-2011, 11:30 AM
I don't see how a poor Wonderlic will affect PP's draft status. Dude doesn't care about competing for any academic honors. Sure, it would be nice if he was so ultra-competitive he wanted to prove he could be a Supreme Court Justice or a Senator someday, but please.

I actually think a single digit score is a prerequisite to running for senator.

Chris
03-18-2011, 11:52 AM
Excellent news.....Hopefully this makes Caro think twice and he falls in Denver's lap.

I pictured you singing a Phil Collins love song to Patrick Peterson.

"Oh! Think twice....................... you and me in paradise."

EDIT: or was that Genesis?

Hulamau
03-18-2011, 12:00 PM
How ya doing Popps? ;D


Here's the thing if you think you are getting a complete player like a Champ Bailey than you take Peterson at #2

Anything less and the value is not there.

Agree with that and I like Petersons football skills but a single digit wonderlic is not a feather in his cap by any means! Definitely gives me pause as #2 IS very high for a corner in any event.

I thought he might just be an exception who is worth it long term, but if he's a bit absent upstairs that deflates my enthusiam a good deal.

Calling Dareus on speed dial :-)

ColoradoDarin
03-18-2011, 12:10 PM
Take a sample test here (http://www.nicholascreative.com/footballiq/index.php) and post your score...


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Ha, I'm "smarter" than Eli Manning :)

Chris
03-18-2011, 12:15 PM
can you use a calculator or no?

I feel stupid... and I got an 800 on my sat verbal.

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Pony Boy
03-18-2011, 12:26 PM
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Recipe for Disaster ......... take a kid with a single-digit wonderlic score and add 25 million dollars

ColoradoDarin
03-18-2011, 12:30 PM
can you use a calculator or no?

I feel stupid... and I got an 800 on my sat verbal.

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I don't think you can use a calculator, but I don't know. Most of the math is pretty easy, but tougher with the time constraints.

Mogulseeker
03-18-2011, 12:53 PM
It doesn't matter. He probably just didn't bother studying for it.

You don'y study for the wonderlic. It literally lasts 12 minutes and is just a quick slew of shapes and colors and solving simple problems that test how quick-thinking you are.

If you do bad on it, it doesn't necessarily mean your dumb... maybe a little slow, but not dumb. I know Harvard professors that would probably score below-average on it.

But quick-thinking is a big thing in football. You have to be able to make reads, recognize patterns, take angles. That's why players take the wonderlic.

Mogulseeker
03-18-2011, 12:55 PM
Being intelligent is what separates guys like Champ and Asamoagh from guys like Dale Carter and Pacman Jones.

I wouldnt have minded Peterson at all before, but I'd much rather they pass on him for Dareus or Miller now.

This.

TheChamp24
03-18-2011, 01:03 PM
LOL I see you don't know what it means/ ;D

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/alginate
Alginate - NOUN - a salt of alginic acid

So we are lucky McDaniels didn't salt Champ with some form of acid?

bronco militia
03-18-2011, 01:14 PM
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03-18-2011, 01:17 PM
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TheReverend
03-18-2011, 01:18 PM
I'm confident that I got them all right and had over a minute to spare, so I think 40 is the ceiling on this "sample"

epicSocialism4tw
03-18-2011, 01:24 PM
If Peterson scored a single-digit score on this test, it is very well possible that he wouldnt have scored average on it if he was given 8 hours and the test manual.

I believe that it tests pattern recognition and decision-making. Those are things that a DB should be at a level above someone who is mentally handicapped.

The more I think about it, the more I think this guy may end up being the second DB taken.

Cito Pelon
03-18-2011, 01:37 PM
I actually think a single digit score is a prerequisite to running for senator.

Some of them sure, not enough Bible questions.

epicSocialism4tw
03-18-2011, 01:41 PM
Some of them sure, not enough Bible questions.

Not enough community organizing questions apparently.

Cito Pelon
03-18-2011, 01:42 PM
I've seen several times through the years people on this board scored high on sample Wonderlics. It wasn't that difficult for me as for many others.

Such being the case I've come to the conclusion it doesn't matter that much.

Cito Pelon
03-18-2011, 01:49 PM
Not enough community organizing questions apparently.

That would be too complicated.

teknic
03-18-2011, 03:17 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d81ecef31/Prince-of-thieves?module=HP_video

If we are still looking at adding a defensive back, I'm starting to like Prince Amukamara. His numbers are very similar to Peterson, and the scored a 35 on the Wonderlic. He's 6'0, 205, ran a 4.37 40, and had a 38 inch vertical. He comes from an athletic family (his dad was a soccer player, his mother was a track star), and he handles himself well in interviews.

I still like the idea of adding a corner and a defensive lineman in the first by trading up from our 2nd round pick. One way or another, the Broncos have the chance to acquire the picks necessary to move back into the round. I want to see the Broncos draft whichever first round combination of Dareus (or Von Miller) + Jimmy Smith, or Prince Amukamara + Paea is of higher total value in terms of adding talent to the defense.

NFLBRONCO
03-18-2011, 03:39 PM
I think we should draft Peterson because I'm sure TMobile won't care about his wonderlic score when he retires

razorwire77
03-18-2011, 03:40 PM
I agree that the majority of low Wonderlic scores indicate that a lot of these guys aren't rocket scientists. However, I think a lot of the single digit scorers are guys that spent too much time trying to figure out one particular question early in the test, or players that have reading/processing issues and or test anxiety. Say they spend 5 minutes studying question no. 10. That absolutely kills your score. They probably either don't know the test strategy, or they freeze up and forget it. Or, in some cases they probably say **** it I'm going to get paid regardless of how I do on this test and they blow it off. I'm sure some of them are Dexter Manley illiterate though, but just because they score low, it doesn't necessarily mean they're borderline retarded (which a single digit score would indicate).

broncosteven
03-18-2011, 03:58 PM
Vince Young was a single-digit guy with a 6........ that's pretty close to a pet rock.

Is he still an FA or did someone pick him up?

strafen
03-18-2011, 04:00 PM
I agree that the majority of low Wonderlic scores indicate that a lot of these guys aren't rocket scientists. However, I think a lot of the single digit scorers are guys that spent too much time trying to figure out one particular question early in the test, or players that have reading/processing issues and or test anxiety. Say they spend 5 minutes studying question no. 10. That absolutely kills your score. They probably either don't know the test strategy, or they freeze up and forget it. Or, in some cases they probably say **** it I'm going to get paid regardless of how I do on this test and they blow it off. I'm sure some of them are Dexter Manley illiterate though, but just because they score low, it doesn't necessarily mean they're borderline retarded (which a single digit score would indicate).Which makes me wonder how did Dexter Manley make it thru college and to the NFL without knowing how to read?
True story!

rugbythug
03-18-2011, 04:07 PM
I agree that the majority of low Wonderlic scores indicate that a lot of these guys aren't rocket scientists. However, I think a lot of the single digit scorers are guys that spent too much time trying to figure out one particular question early in the test, or players that have reading/processing issues and or test anxiety. Say they spend 5 minutes studying question no. 10. That absolutely kills your score. They probably either don't know the test strategy, or they freeze up and forget it. Or, in some cases they probably say **** it I'm going to get paid regardless of how I do on this test and they blow it off. I'm sure some of them are Dexter Manley illiterate though, but just because they score low, it doesn't necessarily mean they're borderline retarded (which a single digit score would indicate).

This makes it worse. They are practicing for weeks for this what happens when we have a week to try and confuse manning.

broncosteven
03-18-2011, 04:12 PM
Which makes me wonder how did Dexter Manley make it thru college and to the NFL without knowing how to read?
True story!

Have you ever heard Devin Hester speak?

razorwire77
03-18-2011, 04:47 PM
This makes it worse. They are practicing for weeks for this what happens when we have a week to try and confuse manning.

I just don't see evidence of a direct cause and effect relationship between football intelligence (confuse Manning) and the Wonderlic. Football knowledge and root memorization of playbooks have significant meaning to the player in terms of a game most have played since they were kids. The Wonderlic is a series of unrelated questions which require logic to decipher the answer quickly. I really bet that a lot of these low scoring guys get a couple of questions that confuse them, they get frustrated and they say **** it, I'm going to get paid regardless and this has nothing to do with football, so they just stop after question 3, 4, 5.

Two significant studies have shown that there is no correlation between Wonderlic and QB ratings, or Wonderlic as a predictor of future NFL success.

What was Lawerence Taylor's Wonderlic? He would have certainly wouldn't have any problems making Manning's life hell.

I'd rather have Dexter Manley's coked up illiterate ass anchoring our defense than the abortion we had last year.

elsid13
03-18-2011, 04:55 PM
The wonderlic scoring is highly overrated. It more important to see how he does in his interview and how he responds to plays diagramed for him on whiteboard. Peterson is still the best defense player in the draft and will be top 5 pick.

uplink
03-18-2011, 04:58 PM
Judge not lest you be judged: http://walterfootball.com/draftwonderlic.php
take the exam and tell us how you did.

Requiem
03-18-2011, 05:06 PM
I know I'd score higher than you and Patrick Peterson, uplink.

uplink
03-18-2011, 05:11 PM
I know I'd score higher than you and Patrick Peterson, uplink.

ok, what did you get?

Requiem
03-18-2011, 05:16 PM
ok, what did you get?

I got an 11, but that still beats Peterson's score of 9 and your score of 3. WINNING.

FireFly
03-18-2011, 05:40 PM
It's a red flag imo.

Too big a red flag to pick him at #2.

If we could trade down to 5 and still get him - I don't care about the flag anymore, I'd pull the trigger on him!

HAT
03-18-2011, 06:01 PM
It's a red flag imo.

Too big a red flag to pick him at #2.

If we could trade down to 5 and still get him - I don't care about the flag anymore, I'd pull the trigger on him!

I don't get this line of reasoning....Whether it's Peterson or whoever. Sure it'd be great to move down, acquire picks & still get your guy but it's either risky or not always possible.

People get too wrapped up in the various mocks and where guys are 'supposed' to be slotted. All that should matter to teams is whether or not they think 'their guy' will be on the board when they select next.

Case in point...Jax with Aluala last year. Sure they could've possibly moved down and taken him at the bottom of the round but they obviously felt he wasn't going to be there when they picked in round 2 so they pulled the trigger and got their man.

IF Denver were in the market for a DE, I wouldn't care if they took say, Aldon Smith or JJ Watt at #2 provided they actually had one of them rated higher than Bowers and at least made an effort to trade down. I don't want a DE, BTW, just pointing out that just because all of the mocks have Bowers as the first one drafted doesn't mean that actual NFL GM's have to think that way.

At the end of the day, you need production out of your first rounder. Doesn't matter if you pick him 5th, 8th, 11th, etc.

Mogulseeker
03-18-2011, 06:02 PM
I'm confident that I got them all right and had over a minute to spare, so I think 40 is the ceiling on this "sample"

I got a 30... I finished with literally like 3 seconds and I know I got some of the math ones wrong.

uplink
03-18-2011, 06:22 PM
I got 14 right out of 20. If you don't see the answer right away you have to guess or move on otherwise you will run out of time since you have 15 seconds per question. I spent too much time on question 10. I can see some guys getting hung up on a question and not moving on and messing up on the exam.

yerner
03-18-2011, 07:36 PM
I just don't see evidence of a direct cause and effect relationship between football intelligence (confuse Manning) and the Wonderlic. Football knowledge and root memorization of playbooks have significant meaning to the player in terms of a game most have played since they were kids. The Wonderlic is a series of unrelated questions which require logic to decipher the answer quickly. I really bet that a lot of these low scoring guys get a couple of questions that confuse them, they get frustrated and they say **** it, I'm going to get paid regardless and this has nothing to do with football, so they just stop after question 3, 4, 5.

Two significant studies have shown that there is no correlation between Wonderlic and QB ratings, or Wonderlic as a predictor of future NFL success.

What was Lawerence Taylor's Wonderlic? He would have certainly wouldn't have any problems making Manning's life hell.

I'd rather have Dexter Manley's coked up illiterate ass anchoring our defense than the abortion we had last year.

You had me at 'coked up illiterate ass.'

footstepsfrom#27
03-18-2011, 09:39 PM
Which makes me wonder how did Dexter Manley make it thru college and to the NFL without knowing how to read?
True story!
You must be under the impression that colleges care whether the athletes that generate millions for their programs actually get educated.

epicSocialism4tw
03-18-2011, 09:50 PM
You must be under the impression that colleges care whether the athletes that generate millions for their programs actually get educated.

I dont think that many of the athletes care about getting educated either.

footstepsfrom#27
03-18-2011, 10:24 PM
I dont think that many of the athletes care about getting educated either.
I can see why pro prospects wouldn't care, but I'll bet the garden variety player without pro prospects does care.

NUB
03-18-2011, 11:56 PM
I got a 35 while chatting and answering a phone call.

epicSocialism4tw
03-19-2011, 12:00 AM
I got a 35 while chatting and answering a phone call.

Anyone with a college education should be able to file their taxes and get that done on the side and get 50%.

Jay3
03-19-2011, 05:11 AM
I got a 33, but it threw me off that they weren't all multiple choice. I think I could almost instantly pick a number out of some choices, but having to actually had numbers and stuff slowed me down.

I think you have to be able to keep moving if it's not coming to you or it seems slow. I'll be some of the all time, inexplicable low scores are from guys who used up way too much time on few questions.

Jay3
03-19-2011, 05:17 AM
I'm confident that I got them all right and had over a minute to spare, so I think 40 is the ceiling on this "sample"

No, I tried it again and got a 43. (And I know I missed at least one, and probably two. Two of the ones involving arithmetic, one of which I skipped)

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epicSocialism4tw
03-19-2011, 05:40 AM
I got a 33, but it threw me off that they weren't all multiple choice. I think I could almost instantly pick a number out of some choices, but having to actually had numbers and stuff slowed me down.

I think you have to be able to keep moving if it's not coming to you or it seems slow. I'll be some of the all time, inexplicable low scores are from guys who used up way too much time on few questions.

These guys are coached on how to take this test. Moving quickly is one of the things they learn.

I shudder to think how big a failure that some of these guys would be if they had to take the MCAT, PCAT, GRE, or any of the grad school entrance exams.