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LetsGoBroncos
03-16-2011, 12:41 PM
Anyone have access to Insider on ESPN.com? McShay's Mock Draft is nuts....has Dareus going #1, Von Miller to us. No Bowers, Fairley, or Peterson in the top 5.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?page=McShayMock4.0&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl %2fdraft2011%2finsider%2fnews%2fstory%3fpage%3dMcS hayMock4.0

d bronx42
03-16-2011, 12:47 PM
If the Broncos select Von Miller at #2 overall, i will probably boycott them for a while. Would be an absolutely dreadful pick... He wasn't even considered a lock 1st rounder before the Senior Bowl took place. Where he went against the weakest o-line draft class in some time.

ND Bronco Fan
03-16-2011, 12:47 PM
I think you may have typed your statement wrong.

You typed "McShay's Mock Draft is nuts"
did you mean......
"McShays is nuts when it comes to Mock Drafts"?

BroncoMan4ever
03-16-2011, 12:48 PM
Bowers has been falling because of the knee issues. most people and teams agree, taking a CB in the top 5 is ridiculous and Fairley has been all over the top 10 simply because he was soundly outperformed in the combine drills buy a guy around 20lbs heavier and more pro ready than he is. also the character issues are brought up with him.

Ray Finkle
03-16-2011, 12:50 PM
McShay Mock Draft = Sporting News Mock Draft for biggest POS on the net.

Steve Prefontaine
03-16-2011, 01:07 PM
Denver picks:
1st round (#2): Von Miller (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27009/von-miller), OLB, Texas A&M
2nd round (#36): DT Jurrell Casey (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27025/jurrell-casey), USC
2nd round (#46). DS Rahim Moore (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27016/rahim-moore), UCLA

TheReverend
03-16-2011, 01:08 PM
Denver picks:
1st round (#2): Von Miller (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27009/von-miller), OLB, Texas A&M
2nd round (#36): DT Jurrell Casey (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27025/jurrell-casey), USC
2nd round (#46). DS Rahim Moore (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27016/rahim-moore), UCLA

Brb vomiting.

Steve Prefontaine
03-16-2011, 01:08 PM
At least he went defense with the picks.

_Oro_
03-16-2011, 01:09 PM
I puke on that draft!

LonghornBronco
03-16-2011, 01:13 PM
Von Miller's value is strictly as a 3-4 rush linebacker, which we no longer play (alegedly) so this makes no sense! If we were still playing 3-4 and didn't have the 08 NFL sack leader then maybe Miller at #2 sounds reasonable but good god somebody bring McShay back to reality...:puff:

55CrushEm
03-16-2011, 01:26 PM
Mike Mayock also has Von Miller as the #2 player on HIS board (not a mock draft)....just sayin'.

I think Mayock is pretty highly regarded.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d81eb70a5/article/defensive-players-lead-the-way-on-list-of-top-32-prospects

footstepsfrom#27
03-16-2011, 01:29 PM
If we take Von Miller with the #2 pick the NFL needs to make John Elway pee in a paper cup.

NFLBRONCO
03-16-2011, 01:38 PM
Gabbert
Newton
Dareus

Imo will end up being top 5. So that leaves Peterson Miller Fairley Green for 4-6

BroncoMan4ever
03-16-2011, 01:47 PM
Von Miller's value is strictly as a 3-4 rush linebacker, which we no longer play (alegedly) so this makes no sense! If we were still playing 3-4 and didn't have the 08 NFL sack leader then maybe Miller at #2 sounds reasonable but good god somebody bring McShay back to reality...:puff:

i disagree with that line of thinking. a team can never have too many good pass rushers. Doom can be neutralized. look at 2009. he had 10 of his 17 sacks by the end of week 6 and then only 7 the remaining 10 games that year inclunding only 2 over the last 4 weeks of the season.

give him help in the form of a guy who can also get to the QB and his totals will be more evenly spread out and he would get to the QB on a more regular basis. also, Miller doesn't have to be only a 3-4 LB to be effective. look at the Ravens and how they used Suggs and Peterson out of the 4-3. Miller could do that from the strong side in a 4-3 and be paired with Doom. that is a scary combo, especially if Ayers can return to form playing in his natural position.

look at the Giants from a few years ago. they beat an undefeated team in the super bowl with that very philosophy. they drafted so many pass rushers that New England couldn't stop them all.

meangene
03-16-2011, 02:03 PM
i disagree with that line of thinking. a team can never have too many good pass rushers. Doom can be neutralized. look at 2009. he had 10 of his 17 sacks by the end of week 6 and then only 7 the remaining 10 games that year inclunding only 2 over the last 4 weeks of the season.

give him help in the form of a guy who can also get to the QB and his totals will be more evenly spread out and he would get to the QB on a more regular basis. also, Miller doesn't have to be only a 3-4 LB to be effective. look at the Ravens and how they used Suggs and Peterson out of the 4-3. Miller could do that from the strong side in a 4-3 and be paired with Doom. that is a scary combo, especially if Ayers can return to form playing in his natural position.

look at the Giants from a few years ago. they beat an undefeated team in the super bowl with that very philosophy. they drafted so many pass rushers that New England couldn't stop them all.

I agree completely. Play him with his hand on the ground in pass situations - which is most of the time nowadays and as a SLB on run downs. I think there is a misconception about how often he dropped in coverage at A&M and he has shown that he can do that successfully at the Senior Bowl and has shown the requisite physical skills in drills as well. With the depth at DL in this draft, we can still go there in Round 2.

Kaylore
03-16-2011, 02:15 PM
If we take Von Miller with the #2 pick the NFL needs to make John Elway pee in a paper cup and drink it.
FYP.

TheReverend
03-16-2011, 02:30 PM
Mike Mayock also has Von Miller as the #2 player on HIS board (not a mock draft)....just sayin'.

I think Mayock is pretty highly regarded.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d81eb70a5/article/defensive-players-lead-the-way-on-list-of-top-32-prospects

Was. He hit some homeruns out of the park several years ago by swimming upstream for a few players others didn't regard as highly.

It's becoming habit for him and making him foolish more often than not the past few years.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-16-2011, 02:41 PM
Was. He hit some homeruns out of the park several years ago by swimming upstream for a few players others didn't regard as highly.

It's becoming habit for him and making him foolish more often than not the past few years.

Finally, someone else notices that Mayock loves being a contrarian for the sake of being one.

But i do really like Von Miller and if denver drafted him, he'd be a jack of all trades kind of guy and, hopefully, a master of all

Shananahan
03-16-2011, 02:43 PM
I'd rather have AJ Green.

underrated29
03-16-2011, 02:51 PM
Finally, someone else notices that Mayock loves being a contrarian for the sake of being one.

But i do really like Von Miller and if denver drafted him, he'd be a jack of all trades kind of guy and, hopefully, a master of all



Mcshay or mayock?

SonOfLe-loLang
03-16-2011, 02:59 PM
Mcshay or mayock?

Mayock

lostknight
03-16-2011, 03:04 PM
We've got gaps at both parts of the front seven. Von Miller wouldn't be too much of a surprise.

rugbythug
03-16-2011, 03:05 PM
If the Broncos select Von Miller at #2 overall, i will probably boycott them for a while. Would be an absolutely dreadful pick... He wasn't even considered a lock 1st rounder before the Senior Bowl took place. Where he went against the weakest o-line draft class in some time.

Not true.

bendog
03-16-2011, 03:06 PM
If its not Darius or Peterson or trade down, I'll be pissed.

BroncoInferno
03-16-2011, 03:07 PM
Miller would only be a bad pick if our coaching staff lacks imagination. But if they are willing to think outside of the box, Miller could be moster for us even in the 4-3. If you're looking for a template, look at the way the Ravens used Suggs in the 4-3 in past seasons or the Seahawks/49ers used Julian Peterson. If he is just going to be a traditional 4-3 WILL, then yeah, it would be a reach. If they take him that high, I think we can rest assured they have bigger plans for him than that.

NFLBRONCO
03-16-2011, 03:40 PM
If its not Darius or Peterson or trade down, I'll be pissed.

agreed

LonghornBronco
03-16-2011, 03:51 PM
I admit he is a impressive prospect and yeah you can never have too many pass rushers. My point is this, our achilles heel is run defence and adding another elite perimeter player would be foolish if Dareus or even Fairley are sitting there given our softness in the middle.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-16-2011, 05:16 PM
We just need LBs that understand gap discipline...if he can do that, its a win/win

Ray Finkle
03-16-2011, 05:33 PM
McDaniels would draft Miller....just saying....

Dedhed
03-16-2011, 05:35 PM
I'm not a fan of Miller at #2, but I have been saying that he's a Sam in a 4-3, and that LBs are a weaker unit on this team than the DL. If we run out DJ Woodyard and Haggan it won't matter who's playing DL or CB, we're giving up more than our share of 30 yard runs. DJ at Will, Miller at Sam would give us a better unit.

If DJ isn't replaced in the middle this defense won't improve much.

I'm hoping that two QBs get into the top 5, and that Arizona wants to jump Buffalo to get their guy. Ideally Carolina takes a QB #1 and makes the Cards desperate to jump the Bills. Then we get at least 2nd and 3rd rounders from the Cards, and either Peterson, Dareus, Miller, or Fairley; in that order.

AZorange1
03-16-2011, 05:48 PM
I admit he is a impressive prospect and yeah you can never have too many pass rushers. My point is this, our achilles heel is run defence and adding another elite perimeter player would be foolish if Dareus or even Fairley are sitting there given our softness in the middle.

Not trying to be sarcastic here, seriously, but ever since people starting holding up those little sections of fence in the stadium, everyone now thinks that DEFENSE, should be spelled Defence.^5

ColoradoDarin
03-16-2011, 07:02 PM
Dareus would command double or triple teams, leaving fewer people to block Doom and Ayers. He could make our entire line better. He could make our LBs better (Lord knows they need help).

cutthemdown
03-16-2011, 07:18 PM
I really didn't think the DT played all that bad last yr. I really think the worst units were the linebackers, DE, safety's. Bannan and Williams were super avg and old, but the safety's were about the worst play we had since Shanny had those scrubs back there.

gunns
03-16-2011, 07:22 PM
I'd rather have AJ Green.

That was not even funny. I need a paper bag....

cutthemdown
03-16-2011, 07:24 PM
There are some DT expected to slip into 2nd though right? Broncos may end up with 2 good defenders first 2 picks. Maybe even first 3. Miller at 2 wouldn't look so bad if they got some beefy DT's in the 2nd. I'm hoping Broncos can find a starter for front 7, safety, and TE with first 3 picks. They really do need tons of help on the back end as well as the front 7.

All the FA te are snapped up. Broncos are so thin at that spot its sick. Maybe sharpe can make a comeback.

cutthemdown
03-16-2011, 07:24 PM
Why don't people like Green? He looks like a great WR prospect to me.

KevinJames
03-16-2011, 07:28 PM
Von Miller wouldn't be a horrible pick. Especially if Fox is planning to utilize multiple fronts, he can rush with his hand in the dirt and also stand up if needed. Von Miller would be excellent, if we used him right. Just think about this 3rd down and 9, Doom on one end, Von Miller on the other, and Ayers rushing from the inside at DT......that be one hell of a nickel package.

Still I think you gotta go Peterson or Dareus, but I wouldn't be totally upset if we drafted Von Miller because whatever team he goes to hes gonna be a hell of a player and a very good pass rusher.

Dedhed
03-16-2011, 07:48 PM
If its not Darius or Peterson or trade down, I'll be pissed.
Let's start with spelling a prospect's name correctly before we jump into full-fledged analysis.

oubronco
03-16-2011, 07:59 PM
I don't know who they will pick but I wouldn't be surprised if it had everybody saying What the ***kk?

Denver724
03-16-2011, 08:29 PM
We are going to be in a perfect trade down position. Let's hope Gabbert has a lights out Pro Day tomorrow.

uplink
03-16-2011, 09:31 PM
Had a dream last night in which Broncos took Bowers at #2 and he was still injured a bit on draft day causing the pundits to question the pick a bit. I also had a pre-draft dream the Broncos took Moreno a few years back and that worked out. Hope this time the dream is wrong.

NFLBRONCO
03-16-2011, 09:48 PM
Had a dream last night in which Broncos took Bowers at #2 and he was still injured a bit on draft day causing the pundits to question the pick a bit. I also had a pre-draft dream the Broncos took Moreno a few years back and that worked out. Hope this time the dream is wrong.

Please have another dream ASAP :)

orange crusher
03-16-2011, 10:12 PM
Why don't people like Green? He looks like a great WR prospect to me.

I think Green is the best player in the draft. Having said that, I don't want the Broncos to select him due to their needs on the defensive side of the ball. Dareus has been my choice since day 1 but If Carolina would take him, I would be okay with Miller. I'd rather have them take Miller than Peterson.

strafen
03-16-2011, 10:36 PM
If its not Darius or Peterson or trade down, I'll be pissed.

And to think some people are opposed to the Peterson pick, all of the sudden it looks like a desireable pick.
Dareus is my pick, of course Carolina would spoil it for us.
If Dareus is gone, I think I'd take my chances with Fairley as a no-brainer.
Peterson at #2 would be worth the gamble.
All I know is that we will have at least 4 good choices to pick from at #2 and 3 of those will be available when we pick

strafen
03-16-2011, 10:45 PM
Von Miller wouldn't be a horrible pick. Especially if Fox is planning to utilize multiple fronts, he can rush with his hand in the dirt and also stand up if needed. Von Miller would be excellent, if we used him right. Just think about this 3rd down and 9, Doom on one end, Von Miller on the other, and Ayers rushing from the inside at DT......that be one hell of a nickel package.

Still I think you gotta go Peterson or Dareus, but I wouldn't be totally upset if we drafted Von Miller because whatever team he goes to hes gonna be a hell of a player and a very good pass rusher.I don't think we could wrong at the #2 position
If we go 4-3 we would need a pair of good linebackers to shoot the gap.
Miller could help there.
Same thing with Dareus, we could use him at front for sure.
Peterson can give us a good solid secondary with Champ on the other side.
They all can have a needed role on our team and they all will be impact players.
Outside those choices, I hope they don't come out and surprise us with something that would leave you scratching your head

Shananahan
03-17-2011, 01:37 AM
That was not even funny. I need a paper bag....
It wasn't meant to be funny. Green would at least be worthy of the selection.

BroncoMan4ever
03-17-2011, 02:07 AM
McDaniels would draft Miller....just saying....

McDaniels would draft Aj Green, Julio Jones or trade the pick for a pick in 2012

but, while not popular, Miller would actually be a good pick. he aids the front 7. granted he doesn't play the spot most in need of upgrade(DT) but he still addresses a weak front 7 and would be used as a type of player always doing different things. covering TE, putting a hand in the dirt and pass rushing, blitz packages. Fox is a very smart Defensive mind and would not lack for ideas on how to maximize the output of a guy like miller

BroncoMan4ever
03-17-2011, 02:23 AM
Why don't people like Green? He looks like a great WR prospect to me.

I like Green, but i truly believe that Julio Jones will be better than him. and not 5 years down the line, i am talking right from the start of their careers. Jones is going to be a straight up beast.

There are some DT expected to slip into 2nd though right? Broncos may end up with 2 good defenders first 2 picks. Maybe even first 3. Miller at 2 wouldn't look so bad if they got some beefy DT's in the 2nd. I'm hoping Broncos can find a starter for front 7, safety, and TE with first 3 picks. They really do need tons of help on the back end as well as the front 7.

All the FA te are snapped up. Broncos are so thin at that spot its sick. Maybe sharpe can make a comeback.

I want at least 2 defensive starters in the 1st 2 rounds, both in the front 7. TE is interesting, but this is a weak class and i don't see much difference between the supposed top of the class when compared with the rest of the class. i personally like Virgil Green from Nevada. good hands great speed, an instant mismatch, good at breaking tackles, and will be available in the 3rd or possibly later. Give me a 1st 2 round of Dareus, and any of Cameron Haywood, Paea Studivarnt, Martez Wilson,or Ellis and i will be ecstatic. add in Virgil Green and it is even better. we address the front 7 in the 1st 2 rounds, get a pass catching TE in the 3rd and the 2 remaining 6th rounders on BPA

Shananahan
03-17-2011, 02:34 AM
Fox is a very smart Defensive mind and would not lack for ideas on how to maximize the output of a guy like miller
Oh yeah, our new coach is a defensive guy. Surely he can figure out a way to teach Von Miller, who we just drafted with the second pick in the entire draft, how to play outside linebacker effectively in an NFL scheme. Let's brush aside all his weaknesses because of his Senior Bowl. What's that you say? Playing the run isn't his strength? Oh, well did you see his numbers over the last two years and hear that he runs fast and whatever?

Christ, gimme a break. You want a pass rush? Draft Fairley, Bowers, Quinn, etc. Miller could be great; I don't dislike the guy at all. For the second pick in the draft, however, I'd want a linebacker who can shut down the run.

Shananahan
03-17-2011, 02:36 AM
You and I have been in total agreement so far insofar as I have followed this board lately, BroncoMan. I agree with most of your other takes. Sell me on Von Miller being worth more than everybody else on the board at #2.

epicSocialism4tw
03-17-2011, 03:03 AM
We've got gaps at both parts of the front seven. Von Miller wouldn't be too much of a surprise.

You're right.

Von Miller is a heck of a prospect. He's a complete player with an extensive college history of success.

I wouldnt be upset at all if the Broncos selected Miller. He's the kind of guy that can be a defensive captain and have a huge impact in both the run and pass games.

The only question is regarding whether or not he fits the 4-3. If the coaches and Miller have full confidence that he's a fit, I would be super excited to have a guy like that join the team.

Freak athlete with an extensive history of success, team leader, character guy. That's what you should be looking for with the #2 pick.

epicSocialism4tw
03-17-2011, 03:05 AM
I admit he is a impressive prospect and yeah you can never have too many pass rushers. My point is this, our achilles heel is run defence and adding another elite perimeter player would be foolish if Dareus or even Fairley are sitting there given our softness in the middle.

I agree that Dareus would be nice to have first, but if he's off the board then Miller might be the BPA.

epicSocialism4tw
03-17-2011, 03:11 AM
If the Broncos brought in someone like Mebane, drafted Miller, and brought in a decent safety, the defense would be massively improved by the end of next season.

It would have almost all the building blocks in place to be a dominant defense.

Then next offseason, you draft/sign a safety if need be, a TE if need be, another DT if need be, an RB if need be, and the team is really starting to build strength in the roster on both offense and defense.

By Fox's third season, that's a borderline superbowl look if things pan out.

driver
03-17-2011, 03:33 AM
I've been on the Miller band wagon for months, BUT our weakness at the interior tackle spots has been and is killing our defense. If we use the #2 pick the only player in this draft worth that pick is Dareus IMO, and I have questions about him.

bowtown
03-17-2011, 05:34 AM
Our head coach and DC are both DB coaches. The pick is Peterson. Book it.

Broncos_OTM
03-17-2011, 06:49 AM
I don't care who they select as long as he is in the pro bowl yearly and makes our defense that much better

Dedhed
03-17-2011, 08:40 AM
Anyone notice that McShay changes his top prospect after every single pro day he attends?

First Fairley had the greatest workout he ever saw from a DL. Then he had Dareus there after 'Bama's pro day, and now he's saying he would personally draft Gabbert at #1 if he was the Panther's GM.

He has no talent for evaluating talent, he just attaches his cart to whatever prospect is in the news.

oubronco
03-17-2011, 08:45 AM
You're right.

Von Miller is a heck of a prospect. He's a complete player with an extensive college history of success.

I wouldnt be upset at all if the Broncos selected Miller. He's the kind of guy that can be a defensive captain and have a huge impact in both the run and pass games.

The only question is regarding whether or not he fits the 4-3. If the coaches and Miller have full confidence that he's a fit, I would be super excited to have a guy like that join the team.

Freak athlete with an extensive history of success, team leader, character guy. That's what you should be looking for with the #2 pick.

You mean you wouldn't want a guy like Fairley this is from Woody

Nick Fairley, as I've pointed out, is a stud a stud with issues. He already has an entourage and demanded, while other players rode the buses at the combine, to have a car service. He takes plays off, doesn't have the strongest work ethic and is somewhat of an uncertainty a junior college player with one solid year at Auburn. I don't trust drafting him

JDub15
03-17-2011, 10:54 AM
If its not Darius or Peterson or trade down, I'll be pissed.

This.

McShay's picks for the Broncos were terrible

I did a mock yesterday and have the Broncos going: (http://buxmag.com/?p=1257)
(#2) Patrick Peterson
(#36) Stephen Paea
(#46) Kyle Rudolph

I think that would be a great first three picks, of course assuming Paea was still around.

JDub15
03-17-2011, 11:15 AM
You're right.

Von Miller is a heck of a prospect. He's a complete player with an extensive college history of success.

I wouldnt be upset at all if the Broncos selected Miller. He's the kind of guy that can be a defensive captain and have a huge impact in both the run and pass games.

The only question is regarding whether or not he fits the 4-3. If the coaches and Miller have full confidence that he's a fit, I would be super excited to have a guy like that join the team.

Freak athlete with an extensive history of success, team leader, character guy. That's what you should be looking for with the #2 pick.

Miller is a freak athlete - perhaps I've not seen enough film, but have you ever since him actually use his hands to fight through a block?

I see a player that every play he is simply faster and quicker than his opponent, he takes a looping outside angle on every pass rush in which he tries to run around the OT to circle back on the QB.

Miller has a an amazingly quick first step, but in the NFL he will be easily nullified by a QB simply stepping up in the pocket. Even in college, many times he would run around the OT only to have the QB step up in the pocket. The angle he takes is so wide - it almost makes it too easy on the QB. He never actually tries to engage the tackle, he just relies on speed to get around him.

If he does engage, I don't think I've seen him actually fight through a block or use his hands to disengage.

Further he doesn't seem to have very good instincts. He looks to sack the QB on every play, even if the QB hands off the ball, he still zeros in on the QB. He doesn't seem to recognize the screen (again maybe I haven't seen enough film) - he simply rushes the QB and ignores the developing screen.

Further I can't imagine him setting the edge on running plays in the NFL. Given his inability to successful engage the OT, I think teams will abuse him in the run game.

Maybe I haven't seen enough but based on what I have, Von Miller is the classic guy taken for his athletic ability and not his on the field play. Could he develop into an amazing player? Sure he could, but you can't draft potential in the top 10 and I would argue even the first round unless you are playoff team.

Oh and why the hell would you draft a guy at number 2 overall who is already a plaintiff in the NFL lawsuit? That's not the guy I'm drafting.

BroncoMan4ever
03-17-2011, 12:29 PM
You and I have been in total agreement so far insofar as I have followed this board lately, BroncoMan. I agree with most of your other takes. Sell me on Von Miller being worth more than everybody else on the board at #2.

i don't think he has more worth than Dareus. he, Fairley and Peterson would all be ok picks in my opinion if we could move back to 5 or later. at 2, the best bet in my eyes is Dareus. big body, that would command double teamsand free up Doom and Ayers some, and with a dominant presence on the line it frees up our weak LB corps to make plays and helps the secondary.

what i see in Miller is a pure pass rusher. just a straight up run down the QB guy and i like that in a player. his blend of size, speed, quickness, agility and hands, make him a really intriguing mix of abilities that would allow an intelligent DC or HC to design numerous packages that would have him, rushing the QB from the LB position occasionally, blitz packages, putting a hand in the dirt and rushing from the line, covering TE which in this division is an absolute must. i look at Miller and see and version of Terrell Suggs or Julian Peterson.

those reasons are why if we did end up taking Miller, i wouldn't be pissed about it, but i will be annoyed if we take him and Dareus is still available.

eddie mac
03-17-2011, 01:35 PM
Casey at 36, that's even dumber than Miller at 2. Casey's barely a 2nd rd prospect as things stand. Far too many DL better than him.

Dedhed
03-17-2011, 02:15 PM
Casey at 36, that's even dumber than Miller at 2. Casey's barely a 2nd rd prospect as things stand. Far too many DL better than him.

I like Casey in the 3rd, but you're right that @36 there's not much value there. I'm praying Taylor lasts that long, but I think he's sneaking into the 1st.

TheChamp24
03-17-2011, 07:21 PM
Some scout stated Miller is a horrible top of the line prospect. He relied solely on speed, bursting past the OT's and never really fought off blocks well or had any other moves.
I don't like him at all at pick #2.

Requiem
03-17-2011, 07:29 PM
I think that would be a great first three picks, of course assuming Paea was still around.


Not at all. Peterson is excellent. Drafting two injured prospects afterwards blows. Pass.

There are a zillion other scenarios which are better from a variety of standpoints.

orange crusher
03-17-2011, 08:52 PM
Our head coach and DC are both DB coaches. The pick is Peterson. Book it.

Fox had been a db coach long before his HC gig at Carolina. Didn't stop the Panthers from taking Peppers #2. Elway has final say - does that mean they're using the first pick on a QB? Peterson ain't the pick - Book it.

oubronco
03-17-2011, 09:07 PM
Fox had been a db coach long before his HC gig at Carolina. Didn't stop the Panthers from taking Peppers #2. Elway has final say - does that mean they're using the first pick on a QB? Peterson ain't the pick - Book it.

I pick the woman in your avatar

epicSocialism4tw
03-18-2011, 04:21 AM
Miller is a freak athlete - perhaps I've not seen enough film, but have you ever since him actually use his hands to fight through a block?

I see a player that every play he is simply faster and quicker than his opponent, he takes a looping outside angle on every pass rush in which he tries to run around the OT to circle back on the QB.

Miller has a an amazingly quick first step, but in the NFL he will be easily nullified by a QB simply stepping up in the pocket. Even in college, many times he would run around the OT only to have the QB step up in the pocket. The angle he takes is so wide - it almost makes it too easy on the QB. He never actually tries to engage the tackle, he just relies on speed to get around him.

If he does engage, I don't think I've seen him actually fight through a block or use his hands to disengage.

Further he doesn't seem to have very good instincts. He looks to sack the QB on every play, even if the QB hands off the ball, he still zeros in on the QB. He doesn't seem to recognize the screen (again maybe I haven't seen enough film) - he simply rushes the QB and ignores the developing screen.

Further I can't imagine him setting the edge on running plays in the NFL. Given his inability to successful engage the OT, I think teams will abuse him in the run game.

Maybe I haven't seen enough but based on what I have, Von Miller is the classic guy taken for his athletic ability and not his on the field play. Could he develop into an amazing player? Sure he could, but you can't draft potential in the top 10 and I would argue even the first round unless you are playoff team.

Oh and why the hell would you draft a guy at number 2 overall who is already a plaintiff in the NFL lawsuit? That's not the guy I'm drafting.

Most people didnt know who Miller even was before he dominated the senior bowl.

Its not because he wasnt a great player before, because he has been over his whole college career. He has been a dominant college player.

I would suggest watching more than just a couple of highlights that someone put together on you tube.