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BMarsh615
03-14-2011, 04:18 PM
The Broncosí football decision-making trio of John Elway, John Fox and Brian Xanders did not travel to Baton Rouge, La. today to personally watch cornerback Patrick Petersonís Pro Day workout.
More... (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/03/14/elway-fox-xanders-not-at-lsu-pro-day/7077/)

CEH
03-14-2011, 04:20 PM
The Broncosí football decision-making trio of John Elway, John Fox and Brian Xanders did not travel to Baton Rouge, La. today to personally watch cornerback Patrick Petersonís Pro Day workout.
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/03/14/elway-fox-xanders-not-at-lsu-pro-day/7077/ (http://more)

Legwold said this moning they already worked out Peterson in FLA last week

Don't worry they have already have hit the big 4. Miller, Fairley,Dairus and Peterson. Even sent the Oline coach up to CU to investigate Solder

Legwold has even heard rumbling of microfracture and Bowers.

tsiguy96
03-14-2011, 04:20 PM
i think the stage is pretty much 100% set to take a DL before this happened, maybe this just confirms it.

Buster Bluth
03-14-2011, 04:20 PM
doesn't mean they won't have him in for a workout.

Interesting though. Thought they'd want a free look.

BMarsh615
03-14-2011, 04:21 PM
Legwold said this moning they already worked out Peterson in FLA last week

I heard about that. I also read somewhere today that Denver scheduled a private workout with Peterson sometime between now and the draft. I'll try and hunt down where I heard it.

EDIT found it...

LSU CB Patrick Peterson said he has visits set up with Carolina, Denver, Tennessee and Arizona leading up to the draft

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/14811543

- LSU CB Patrick Peterson said none of the four teams he has visits set with (Carolina, Denver, Tennessee, Arizona) have told him anything about wanting him to play safety rather than CB.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/14811943

orange skier
03-14-2011, 04:22 PM
Probably would have been a real good idea to go down there and check out the LSU D linemen........I really hope we don't just guess...........we've been doing that long enough.....

BroncoMan4ever
03-14-2011, 04:24 PM
Probably would have been a real good idea to go down there and check out the LSU D linemen........I really hope we don't just guess...........we've been doing that long enough.....

John Fox knows defense. he also strikes me more as a guy who will watch film and go off what a guy does in pads on the field more than what the same guy can do in shorts in a workout.

Buster Bluth
03-14-2011, 04:31 PM
John Fox knows defense. he also strikes me more as a guy who will watch film and go off what a guy does in pads on the field more than what the same guy can do in shorts in a workout.

That is welcome news, and sounds correct.

I'm really happy we got Fox.

elsid13
03-14-2011, 04:33 PM
Did Peterson anything? I would expect he stood on this numbers from the combine.

Garcia Bronco
03-14-2011, 04:34 PM
taking a corner with the 2 pick is retarded when you need people in the trenches.

FireFly
03-14-2011, 04:41 PM
If they were sure that they wanted to take him at #2, that is even more reason not to go. Little bit of misdirection!

OBF1
03-14-2011, 04:45 PM
Peterson is a bronco, write it down. Championship.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
03-14-2011, 04:50 PM
taking a corner with the 2 pick is retarded when you need people in the trenches.

Agreed. But how about taking him at 4 or 5?

FireFly
03-14-2011, 05:17 PM
Agreed. But how about taking him at 4 or 5?

Would be a steal :thumbsup:

TheReverend
03-14-2011, 05:45 PM
Met with, interviewed and worked him out last week.

TheReverend
03-14-2011, 05:50 PM
Did Peterson anything? I would expect he stood on this numbers from the combine.

Stood on numbers. Had dinner with Panthers. Frankly I'd be stunned if they didn't take him.

This guy is a freak athlete, a polished player at a premier position, and the ultimate team player. HE is the one that asked coaches if he could return kicks last year and in the season opener, SHATTERED the school record with 257 return yards.

He's the best player in the draft by a LARGE margin and if he slides to #2 (and make no mistake, that would be a SLIDE), we'd be buffoons to pass him even though I like Darius and Fairley a lot as pros.

HAT
03-14-2011, 06:39 PM
Stood on numbers. Had dinner with Panthers. Frankly I'd be stunned if they didn't take him.

This guy is a freak athlete, a polished player at a premier position, and the ultimate team player. HE is the one that asked coaches if he could return kicks last year and in the season opener, SHATTERED the school record with 257 return yards.

He's the best player in the draft by a LARGE margin and if he slides to #2 (and make no mistake, that would be a SLIDE), we'd be buffoons to pass him even though I like Darius and Fairley a lot as pros.

+1....And reading between the lines, it seems Elway is on board with this line of thinking.

Chris
03-14-2011, 06:42 PM
Stood on numbers. Had dinner with Panthers. Frankly I'd be stunned if they didn't take him.

This guy is a freak athlete, a polished player at a premier position, and the ultimate team player. HE is the one that asked coaches if he could return kicks last year and in the season opener, SHATTERED the school record with 257 return yards.

He's the best player in the draft by a LARGE margin and if he slides to #2 (and make no mistake, that would be a SLIDE), we'd be buffoons to pass him even though I like Darius and Fairley a lot as pros.

My post was removed because it contained a bad word. Bad Chris, bad.

BMarsh615
03-14-2011, 07:05 PM
https://twitter.com/RossTuckerNFL

NFL scout of team w/ top 10 pick said he's concerned with LSU CB P. Peterson's ability to make plays on ball. Noted Bama/A&M games. Peterson's still a stud but maybe not the "sure thing/best player in the draft" he's been made out to be.

HILife
03-14-2011, 07:33 PM
The Broncosí football decision-making trio of John Elway, John Fox and Brian Xanders did not travel to Baton Rouge, La. today to personally watch cornerback Patrick Petersonís Pro Day workout.
More... (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/03/14/elway-fox-xanders-not-at-lsu-pro-day/7077/)

DAMN! Looks like they drafting Peterson.

zdoor
03-14-2011, 07:36 PM
Stood on numbers. Had dinner with Panthers. Frankly I'd be stunned if they didn't take him.

This guy is a freak athlete, a polished player at a premier position, and the ultimate team player. HE is the one that asked coaches if he could return kicks last year and in the season opener, SHATTERED the school record with 257 return yards.

He's the best player in the draft by a LARGE margin and if he slides to #2 (and make no mistake, that would be a SLIDE), we'd be buffoons to pass him even though I like Darius and Fairley a lot as pros.

Agree

Beantown Bronco
03-14-2011, 07:40 PM
https://twitter.com/RossTuckerNFL

NFL scout of team w/ top 10 pick said he's concerned with LSU CB P. Peterson's ability to make plays on ball. Noted Bama/A&M games. Peterson's still a stud but maybe not the "sure thing/best player in the draft" he's been made out to be.

That's simply someone doing whatever they possibly can to have him slip to their pick. Probably someone around 4-7.

schaaf
03-14-2011, 07:44 PM
Patrick Peterson will be a bronco :)

Mogulseeker
03-14-2011, 07:49 PM
Peterson is ours.

orange crusher
03-14-2011, 07:57 PM
Marcell Dareus, come on down!

Mogulseeker
03-14-2011, 08:01 PM
It's a smoke screen dude.

Cito Pelon
03-14-2011, 08:02 PM
Stood on numbers. Had dinner with Panthers. Frankly I'd be stunned if they didn't take him.

This guy is a freak athlete, a polished player at a premier position, and the ultimate team player. HE is the one that asked coaches if he could return kicks last year and in the season opener, SHATTERED the school record with 257 return yards.

He's the best player in the draft by a LARGE margin and if he slides to #2 (and make no mistake, that would be a SLIDE), we'd be buffoons to pass him even though I like Darius and Fairley a lot as pros.

If he's Deion Sanders 2.0, that's fine with me.

TheReverend
03-14-2011, 08:08 PM
If he's Deion Sanders 2.0, that's fine with me.

He's more Woodson. He can tackle and though he's the best PROSPECT I've ever seen, I'll never compare any college player to Deion. Guy was so amazing in coverage it was ridiculous. Champ in his prime was as close as it came (*but Champ could tackle)

~Crash~
03-14-2011, 08:11 PM
taking a corner with the 2 pick is retarded when you need people in the trenches.

this:welcome:

TheReverend
03-14-2011, 08:12 PM
this:welcome:

Well we all know you're at LEAST borderline retarded, so your endorsement probably hurts the cause.

~Crash~
03-14-2011, 08:14 PM
Well we all know you're at LEAST borderline retarded, so your endorsement probably hurts the cause.

and you are coward !!!!!!!!! McD nut sucker after six wins. :twokisses

~Crash~
03-14-2011, 08:15 PM
Oh and by the way **** face kiss my ass!

TheReverend
03-14-2011, 08:17 PM
and you are coward !!!!!!!!! McD nut sucker after six wins. :twokisses

Is that English?

Oh and by the way **** face kiss my ass!

Well said. Clearly Peterson is a mistake after reading that comment.

Cito Pelon
03-14-2011, 08:18 PM
He's more Woodson. He can tackle and though he's the best PROSPECT I've ever seen, I'll never compare any college player to Deion. Guy was so amazing in coverage it was ridiculous. Champ in his prime was as close as it came (*but Champ could tackle)

I was thinking return ability for Peterson in the pro's. If he can cover and return like Deion, tackle like Champ . . . .

TheReverend
03-14-2011, 08:21 PM
I was thinking return ability for Peterson in the pro's. If he can cover and return like Deion, tackle like Champ . . . .

His first ever game returning kicks he broke the school record. That included a 90 yard punt return.

Kid's a game changer. Revis is going to be pretty upset next season when he slides to #2

Play2win
03-14-2011, 08:24 PM
I was thinking return ability for Peterson in the pro's. If he can cover and return like Deion, tackle like Champ . . . .

Yeah, and maybe his real name is William Wallace, and he Shoots lightning bolts out his arse!!

Cito Pelon
03-14-2011, 08:39 PM
I admit I'm warming up to Peterson some, but only because he's supposedly a studly returner. That's obviously the icing on the cake. IF he can produce in the return game like Deion Sanders in the pro's, AND produce the INT's, AND tackle like Champ that's a stud pro worth the #2 pick.

TheReverend
03-14-2011, 08:48 PM
I admit I'm warming up to Peterson some, but only because he's supposedly a studly returner. That's obviously the icing on the cake. IF he can produce in the return game like Deion Sanders in the pro's, AND produce the INT's, AND tackle like Champ that's a stud pro worth the #2 pick.

I'd rather he never sniffed the return game unless it's playoffs or a "must win" situation.

Cito Pelon
03-14-2011, 08:50 PM
His first ever game returning kicks he broke the school record. That included a 90 yard punt return.

Kid's a game changer. Revis is going to be pretty upset next season when he slides to #2

That's what Elway said. I guess with Elvis returning to put pressure from the outside, and Ayers a solid presence on the other side, a high 2nd-rounder, Peterson could be a good pick

TheReverend
03-14-2011, 08:52 PM
That's what Elway said. I guess with Elvis returning to put pressure from the outside, and Ayers a solid presence on the other side, a high 2nd-rounder, Peterson could be a good pick

lol

Cito Pelon
03-14-2011, 08:54 PM
I'd rather he never sniffed the return game unless it's playoffs or a "must win" situation.

I wouldn't draft Peterson at #2 unless he was gonna produce in the return game to complement his backfield skills. The return skills is the only reason to draft him over a stud front seven guy for the Broncos.

epicSocialism4tw
03-14-2011, 09:01 PM
Denver doesnt need to fool anybody with a "smokescreen" or anything else with the #2 pick.

epicSocialism4tw
03-14-2011, 09:05 PM
https://twitter.com/RossTuckerNFL

NFL scout of team w/ top 10 pick said he's concerned with LSU CB P. Peterson's ability to make plays on ball. Noted Bama/A&M games. Peterson's still a stud but maybe not the "sure thing/best player in the draft" he's been made out to be.

Blasphemy! Ha!

teknic
03-14-2011, 09:22 PM
I really believe that Peterson has to be the pick if he slides past the Panthers. I would be happy if we grabbed Dareus or Fairley, but I would much rather see Peterson on the roster next season.

I don't know exactly how his game will translate as a pro, but if he can play anything like the physical, shutdown player that he was in college, he'll do well for the team.

Champ is going to retire a Bronco, and he has said that he's open to a move to safety later in his career. Peterson will get into the rotation at cornerback and get to learn under one of the best cornerbacks of the decade, and Allen may even mix in Champ at safety some if Peterson adjusts quickly, to get a chance to make plays and get experience for his transition to safety. When Champ makes the move, which I think could be as early as the 2012 season, we will still have a big, physical corner to take away half the field, letting Champ make plays on the ball.

Also, looking at Allen's background in New Orleans, the defense allows players to make plays. Look what Sharper managed to do with the creative calls. I think Allen will be able to create some chances for a talented secondary of Bailey, Goodman, Peterson, and if Cox sticks around. Thompson also looked decent at nickel last season. Allen could mix up the rotation of DB's and I think that secondary could produce quite a few turnovers, even with mediocre pressure. Not to mention the possibility of a guy blitzing, running a 4.34 at 219...

I am not sold on drafting for immediate positional need over talent, so I will support the drafting of whichever player Elway and Fox think will solidify this defense for a long time. The problem with drafting for immediate need is that players rarely make an impact in their first year in the league. It generally takes a couple years to adjust to the speed of the game, although there are exceptions.

I don't like the high risk of defensive lineman busting in the high first round, and looking around the league, a lot of teams have defensive lineman found in the later rounds or undrafted even. This pick has to be a hit for the Broncos and I think Peterson is both the best prospect in the draft and the safest. At worst, he'd make one hell of a ball-hawking safety. He makes an immediate impact with his punt return skills and learns under Champ.

TheReverend
03-14-2011, 09:26 PM
I really believe that Peterson has to be the pick if he slides past the Panthers. I would be happy if we grabbed Dareus or Fairley, but I would much rather see Peterson on the roster next season.

I don't know exactly how his game will translate as a pro, but if he can play anything like the physical, shutdown player that he was in college, he'll do well for the team.

Champ is going to retire a Bronco, and he has said that he's open to a move to safety later in his career. Peterson will get into the rotation at cornerback and get to learn under one of the best cornerbacks of the decade, and Allen may even mix in Champ at safety some if Peterson adjusts quickly, to get a chance to make plays and get experience for his transition to safety. When Champ makes the move, which I think could be as early as the 2012 season, we will still have a big, physical corner to take away half the field, letting Champ make plays on the ball.

Also, looking at Allen's background in New Orleans, the defense allows players to make plays. Look what Sharper managed to do with the creative calls. I think Allen will be able to create some chances for a talented secondary of Bailey, Goodman, Peterson, and if Cox sticks around. Thompson also looked decent at nickel last season. Allen could mix up the rotation of DB's and I think that secondary could produce quite a few turnovers, even with mediocre pressure. Not to mention the possibility of a guy blitzing, running a 4.34 at 219...

I am not sold on drafting for immediate positional need over talent, so I will support the drafting of whichever player Elway and Fox think will solidify this defense for a long time. The problem with drafting for immediate need is that players rarely make an impact in their first year in the league. It generally takes a couple years to adjust to the speed of the game, although there are exceptions.

I don't like the high risk of defensive lineman busting in the high first round, and looking around the league, a lot of teams have defensive lineman found in the later rounds or undrafted even. This pick has to be a hit for the Broncos and I think Peterson is both the best prospect in the draft and the safest. At worst, he'd make one hell of a ball-hawking safety. He makes an immediate impact with his punt return skills and learns under Champ.

Welcome to the website and good post.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
03-14-2011, 09:28 PM
It come down to one thing for me about Peterson. Is this guy a really really great player or is he a HOFer. If he's a HOFer then pick him and don't look back. If he's a really great then we're talking about a piece of the puzzle and I think we should look more at a front 7 position.

TheReverend
03-14-2011, 09:33 PM
It come down to one thing for me about Peterson. Is this guy a really really great player or is he a HOFer. If he's a HOFer then pick him and don't look back. If he's a really great then we're talking about a piece of the puzzle and I think we should look more at a front 7 position.

Okay, so YOU feel that a "really really great player" isn't good enough and we should look in a different direction?

Wtf is going on with people?!

footstepsfrom#27
03-14-2011, 09:34 PM
Lol...let's just grasp at any little straw we can find for a hint. The only thing consistent about how this team drafts, is that they almost never do what I want them to, so you Peterson haters are probably safe. Then again, who knows, maybe Fox/Elway will surprise this time.

bowtown
03-14-2011, 09:42 PM
Okay, so YOU feel that a "really really great player" isn't good enough and we should look in a different direction?

Wtf is going on with people?!

Nope, you have to know that he's going to be in the HOF before he ever plays a down, otherwise just pick some other guy, maybe a RB. Also, if you think he will have a career ending injury at some point, you are best to stay away. And if he is definitely going to hold out in a few years, then we should be picking somebody different.

TheReverend
03-14-2011, 09:51 PM
Nope, you have to know that he's going to be in the HOF before he ever plays a down, otherwise just pick some other guy, maybe a RB. Also, if you think he will have a career ending injury at some point, you are best to stay away. And if he is definitely going to hold out in a few years, then we should be picking somebody different.

Personally, I say:

If you think he's "great" grab him
If you think he's "really great" definitely grab him
If you think he's "really really great" hell yes grab him!

But that apparently doesn't apply to all of us...

epicSocialism4tw
03-14-2011, 09:53 PM
I don't know exactly how his game will translate as a pro, but if he can play anything like the physical, shutdown player that he was in college, he'll do well for the team.

This is the NFL and one thing's for sure...you cannot play physical corner in the NFL.

It also has not been shown that Peterson is a "shut down" player.

We hear all of the hyperbole from the fanboys, but none have been able to explain why other talented players were able to take advantage of him.

TheReverend
03-14-2011, 09:54 PM
This is the NFL and one thing's for sure...you cannot play physical corner in the NFL.

It also has not been shown that Peterson is a "shut down" player.

We hear all of the hyperbole from the fanboys, but none have been able to explain why other talented players were able to take advantage of him.

And stopped reading there... :spit:

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
03-14-2011, 10:00 PM
Okay, so YOU feel that a "really really great player" isn't good enough and we should look in a different direction?

Wtf is going on with people?!

Dude you act like I got a dog in this fight. I don't. The only dog I got in this fight is the Broncos.

Look there are 2 ways to look at this. One He's is the "end all, be all", or he's a "piece of the puzzle". If "End all, be all", hey pick him. But if he's "piece of the puzzle" then there is a reason that no Corner has ever been picked higher than #5 (Jammer - Sand Eggo, Newman - Cowboys) in the last 10 years.

TheReverend
03-14-2011, 10:03 PM
Dude you act like I got a dog in this fight. I don't. The only dog I got in this fight is the Broncos.

Look there are 2 ways to look at this. One He's is the "end all, be all", or he's a "piece of the puzzle". If "End all, be all", hey pick him. But if he's "piece of the puzzle" then there is a reason that no Corner has ever been picked higher than #5 (Jammer - Sand Eggo, Newman - Cowboys) in the last 10 years.

Can you see how your previous wording was a little ridiculous?

And yes, there is a reason. None have been this good of a prospect without a top QB prospect in the draft. :)

epicSocialism4tw
03-14-2011, 10:16 PM
Personally, I say:

If you think he's "great" grab him
If you think he's "really great" definitely grab him
If you think he's "really really great" hell yes grab him!

But that apparently doesn't apply to all of us...

That's because not everyone wants you to force them what to believe.

Tell us how the heck this happened:

Week 1 vs. UNC -
Yates passed for 412 yds 3TD's/0 INT's
Boyd caught 6 passes for 221 yds and a TD
Pianalto caught 8 passes for 74 yds

???

Also, the idea that Peterson is a "shut down" corner doesnt hold up. He gave up big plays this year.

Julio Jones caught 10 balls for 89 yards and a TD
Hamilton at Arkansas went for 164 yards and 2 TD's
Moore at UF went for 95 yards
Summers at Ole Miss went for 73 and a TD
Fuller at A&M went for 83 yards

epicSocialism4tw
03-14-2011, 10:19 PM
And stopped reading there...

Of course you did.

Anything that threatens your little fanboydom must be rejected ASAP.

TheReverend
03-14-2011, 10:27 PM
Of course you did.

Anything that threatens your little fanboydom must be rejected ASAP.

No, anything so absurd should be immediately dismissed.

That's because not everyone wants you to force them what to believe.

Tell us how the heck this happened:

Week 1 vs. UNC -
Yates passed for 412 yds 3TD's/0 INT's
Boyd caught 6 passes for 221 yds and a TD
Pianalto caught 8 passes for 74 yds

???

Also, the idea that Peterson is a "shut down" corner doesnt hold up. He gave up big plays this year.

Julio Jones caught 10 balls for 89 yards and a TD
Hamilton at Arkansas went for 164 yards and 2 TD's
Moore at UF went for 95 yards
Summers at Ole Miss went for 73 and a TD
Fuller at A&M went for 83 yards

Post proper links of him being beaten, and we can examine the coverage. It's not like he's never been beaten on routes, but I can guarantee the VAST majority of what you're referencing had nothing to do with him.

epicSocialism4tw
03-14-2011, 10:41 PM
No, anything so absurd should be immediately dismissed.



Post proper links of him being beaten, and we can examine the coverage. It's not like he's never been beaten on routes, but I can guarantee the VAST majority of what you're referencing had nothing to do with him.

Well, the whole reason I went and looked at the teams he has played and how he has performed against them is because its pretty well known that Julio Jones got the best of him.

Maybe you should have looked too before you went all giddy like a Justin Bieber fan over him.

TheReverend
03-14-2011, 10:47 PM
Well, the whole reason I went and looked at the teams he has played and how he has performed against them is because its pretty well known that Julio Jones got the best of him.

So no actual evidence?

I have some of your matchup. Enjoy:

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/BngI6yAtTLE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Maybe you should have looked too before you went all giddy like a Justin Bieber fan over him.

I've been here for 6 drafts:

I have never advocated any DB in the draft except for Revis.

I have never so thoroughly supported one player. Especially in a draft where I like almost all of the alternatives (Dareus, Fairley, etc)

I have never seen a college DB play so near flawlessly and I have a LOT of experience with DBs. Most of the "he's beaten" videos that people have posted trying to retract from his ability have been zones that people have mistaken for man.

TheReverend
03-14-2011, 10:49 PM
^ Both feet down too :)

Lama, tell me how he managed that break against one of the top WRs with "poor hips"ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL!

~Crash~
03-14-2011, 11:03 PM
http://nflmocks.com/2011/03/13/mike-mayock-releases-big-board/

epicSocialism4tw
03-14-2011, 11:17 PM
So no actual evidence?

I have some of your matchup. Enjoy:


I've been here for 6 drafts:

I have never advocated any DB in the draft except for Revis.

I have never so thoroughly supported one player. Especially in a draft where I like almost all of the alternatives (Dareus, Fairley, etc)

I have never seen a college DB play so near flawlessly and I have a LOT of experience with DBs. Most of the "he's beaten" videos that people have posted trying to retract from his ability have been zones that people have mistaken for man.

I dont care what you say you have or havent done. You're full of crap.

TheReverend
03-14-2011, 11:27 PM
I dont care what you say you have or havent done. You're full of crap.

Yet I'm the one that's displayed video evidence.

Go figure.

epicSocialism4tw
03-14-2011, 11:42 PM
Yet I'm the one that's displayed video evidence.

Go figure.

Wow.

You "displayed" a minute-and-a-half video entitled "Patrick Peterson vs Alabama".

Congratulations.

Thats some in depth analysis.

I can now see why you have such a high opinion of your own opinion.

strafen
03-14-2011, 11:43 PM
Dude you act like I got a dog in this fight. I don't. The only dog I got in this fight is the Broncos.

Look there are 2 ways to look at this. One He's is the "end all, be all", or he's a "piece of the puzzle". If "End all, be all", hey pick him. But if he's "piece of the puzzle" then there is a reason that no Corner has ever been picked higher than #5 (Jammer - Sand Eggo, Newman - Cowboys) in the last 10 years.

I think those guys had a tremendous impact for their respective teams.
They were solid players, at least you've got contribution, big...

TheReverend
03-14-2011, 11:47 PM
Wow.

You "displayed" a minute-and-a-half video entitled "Patrick Peterson vs Alabama".

Congratulations.

Thats some in depth analysis.

I can now see why you have such a high opinion of your own opinion.

I've posted very in depth analysis of him, and that's a vid of him that related to your specific Jones comparison where he beats Jones like an angryllama an takes the ball for a huge play. There are TONS of Peterson vids. I challenge you to find 5 plays in his entire college career where he legitimately gets beaten (not peeled off to stay in his zone).

epicSocialism4tw
03-14-2011, 11:51 PM
I've posted very in depth analysis of him, and that's a vid of him that related to your specific Jones comparison where he beats Jones like an angryllama an takes the ball for a huge play. There are TONS of Peterson vids. I challenge you to find 5 plays in his entire college career where he legitimately gets beaten (not peeled off to stay in his zone).

Maybe Peterson has transcended evolution.

Carmelo15
03-15-2011, 12:12 AM
I keep hearing Julio Jones got the best of Peterson. I'm about to watch every defensive play in this game to see if it is true. People say A.J. Green got the best of Jimmy Smith but I watched that whole game and I don't remember him getting any catches on Smith. They were all when Jalil Brown was on him.

epicSocialism4tw
03-15-2011, 01:59 AM
I keep hearing Julio Jones got the best of Peterson. I'm about to watch every defensive play in this game to see if it is true. People say A.J. Green got the best of Jimmy Smith but I watched that whole game and I don't remember him getting any catches on Smith. They were all when Jalil Brown was on him.

Let us know what you find out. Peterson is a very good player and I'm sure he held his own.

It will be good to hear from someone who is not a slobbering fanboy.

Carmelo15
03-15-2011, 04:14 AM
In the process of watching it now. Here's the link: http://www.secdigitalnetwork.com/SECVIDEO/TabId/468/VideoId/9320/Alabama-Vs-LSU-Nov-6-2010-Full-Game.aspx

DarkHorse
03-15-2011, 04:30 AM
I'm fine with taking Peterson at #2 as long as we address the D-line with our 2nd round picks.

Darius at #2 is perfectly acceptable too.

Either of those and i'm happy as long as d-line is taken care of somehow.

Kaylore
03-15-2011, 06:33 AM
taking a corner with the 2 pick is retarded when you need people in the trenches.

Not when the corner is a once in a generation player.

strafen
03-15-2011, 06:45 AM
Let us know what you find out. Peterson is a very good player and I'm sure he held his own.

It will be good to hear from someone who is not a slobbering fanboy.I don't see how we can go wrong with the number 2 pick regardless.
We just don't draft well on defense. Let's hope this new administration changes all of that and surprises us with a good pick.

meangene
03-15-2011, 07:12 AM
Let us know what you find out. Peterson is a very good player and I'm sure he held his own.

It will be good to hear from someone who is not a slobbering fanboy.

Carmelo traded his whole draft to move up and get Peterson in the Mane Mock Draft so I'm not sure how objective he will be! Hilarious!

gunns
03-15-2011, 07:21 AM
We have not had a decent DL for the past 12 years. It has been our downfall for that long as well. It's something we need desperately to address and not with just one or two players. My concern lies in the fact that this is a rich DL draft, but the studs will surely be taken immediately and if we don't jump in we may end up with average....again.

But in a heated discussion with someone before the SB he sent me an article regarding Pass Defense and the SB. I didn't necessarily agree with the article as some of the examples didn't show this decade and I do believe the game evolves by decade. But I did notice in this years SB that when GB's two CB's went out, they began to slump and they have a very decent DL. I'm very torn in who to take in this draft. Here's the article

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/kerry_byrne/01/30/super-bowl-pass-defense/index.html

long beach bronco
03-15-2011, 07:23 AM
With everything I've seen of the top 10 picks in the draft. I have to conclude that this defense needs a playmaking stud. We are not going to fix this unit with this upcoming draft, but when you add in a couple of good free agent lineman and combined with the 2012 draft and free agents, this defense may be where Fox and we want it. But at this moment in time, when we are on the clock and Peterson is sitting there, I hope we call his name. This guy is a gamechanger and that's what we need right now.

CEH
03-15-2011, 07:26 AM
Not when the corner is a once in a generation player.

I'm not sure you can say he's a once a generation player when there are questions about ultimately what is his position in the NFL.

Is he going to be the next Charles Woodson or Antrelle Rolle?

Neither are with their original teams so I'm not too worried about drafting a Von Miller or Darius over Peterson. Really don't think the team will regret passing on Peterson. What he Dieon do for ATL. Nada. Champ was traded for Portis. CBs can be found in FA or later in the draft than at #2.


Regardless of postion we need a all pro defensive player with our top pick


Right now I think Denver will flip flop with either BUF or Cincy and draft Von Miller no later than 4th right in front of ARI

Requiem
03-15-2011, 07:28 AM
Peterson or Dareus with our first selection or we just failed big time.

Beantown Bronco
03-15-2011, 07:31 AM
I'm not sure you can say he's a once a generation player when there are questions about ultimately what is his position in the NFL.

Is he going to be the next Charles Woodson or Antrelle Rolle?

Neither are with their original teams so I'm not too worried about drafting a Von Miller or Darius over Peterson. Really don't think the team will regret passing on Peterson. What he Dieon do for ATL. Nada. Champ was traded for Portis. CBs can be found in FA or later in the draft than at #2.


Regardless of postion we need a all pro defensive player with our top pick


Right now I think Denver will flip flop with either BUF or Cincy and draft Von Miller no later than 4th right in front of ARI

I don't understand this post AT ALL. You argue against drafting Peterson because you have doubts about whether he is a CB or safety, yet you advocate taking a guy that has even more doubt surrounding his positioning in Von Miller? Where do you see him lining up? DE, OLB.....?

TonyR
03-15-2011, 07:33 AM
Denver doesnt need to fool anybody with a "smokescreen" or anything else with the #2 pick.

Really? So trading down isn't a possibility?

CEH
03-15-2011, 07:37 AM
I don't understand this post AT ALL. You argue against drafting Peterson because you have doubts about whether he is a CB or safety, yet you advocate taking a guy that has even more doubt surrounding his positioning in Von Miller? Where do you see him lining up? DE, OLB.....?

No I was saying Peterson might not be a "once a generation type player " becuase of the postion he would play in the NFL. I'm not saying he isn't a good player.

Miller will play OLBer. Yes I think DJ WIlliams will be traded becuase of his DUIs if there is a normal FA period.

Simple as that. Most ppl don't take into account extenuating circumstances when evaluating the current team

Requiem
03-15-2011, 07:39 AM
Really? So trading down isn't a possibility?

We aren't fooling anybody, even with a trade down.

The Broncos are a lock to select Peterson, Dareus, Fairley or Miller -- Bowers is an outside shot, but I doubt it is him.

People know we are going defense. The question is who.

I doubt the Broncos are going to move down far enough to miss out on their top three or four players.

Best case scenario, Peterson or Dareus doesn't go #1 overall and some loser does -- and Denver has the possibility to move down a spot or two and still grab one of the two best players in the draft. :)

However, I'm fine with Peterson/Dareus at #2. :pimp:

BroncoInferno
03-15-2011, 07:49 AM
I think one thing people keep ignoring with Peterson is the added value he brings as a return man. He's in Devin Hester/DeSean Jackson territory as a returner, and that increases his value over your normal elite CB prospect.

TonyR
03-15-2011, 08:01 AM
We aren't fooling anybody, even with a trade down.

The Broncos are a lock to select Peterson, Dareus, Fairley or Miller -- Bowers is an outside shot...

Well, you're kind of making my point here. You just named five players and nobody knows which one it will be. If somebody really wants one of those players there's always a chance, no matter how slight, that a deal can be made.

Carmelo15
03-15-2011, 08:40 AM
As far as Peterson v. Jones after watching the entire game it was exactly what Peterson and Jones both said it was: a battle. These guys are both going to be Pro Bowl players at the NFL level. Jones is a great run blocker. Peterson gave up some catches to Jones so you can't really say he shut him down. However, on the 19 yard catch in the first quarter, Jones made a great play. McElroy threw a lob to his back shoulder so that only he could get it or it would go out of bounds. Jones went up and got it but Peterson was step for step with him the whole play. It was really good coverage.

Jones had another catch on a 9 yard slant that was perfectly covered by Peterson. He nearly stripped the ball but Jones held onto it. Peterson went from going for the strip to wrap up Jones and took him down, really reminded me of Champ on the play.

Greg McElroy's interception on Alabama's 2nd drive was caused by Peterson. Peterson was on Jones and got a great jam on him. McElroy looked left at Jones who hadn't even started his route yet. Then he looks over the middle and forces a throw to his TE, which was tipped and then intercepted by Sheppard.

In the 2nd quarter, Jones runs a drag and Peterson is picked by two teammates and another reciever. Jones gets the catch but Peterson runs around the traffic and gets to Jones immediately for a great tackle. 2 yard gain at most.

In the 3rd quarter Jones runs a slant. This time Peterson breaks it up and makes a great play.

Jones catches a screen pass. Peterson fights off the cut block and pushes Jones out of bounds after a 5 yard gain.

$th Quarter:
Jones catches a slant from the 9 yard line for a TD. Peterson gives up the inside to Jones and goes for the swat but McElroy makes a great throw and Jones goes up to get it.

Jones with Peterson covering him: 6 catches for 51 yards and a TD. Definitely wasn't a shut down performance. However, the TD catch and the 19 yard catch in the 1st quarter were simply great plays by a great player in Julio Jones. Peterson was all over him on both plays and McElroy made great throws. The other 4 catches for 23 yards were short plays meant to get Julio Jones the ball in open space and let him make a play. Peterson didn't allow him to. He was right there for the tackle immediately even when their were blockers and traffic between him and Jones. Peterson's biggest weakness is fighting off blocks in run support. However when he gets to the ball carrier he's pretty good at making tackles. He's certainly no Champ in this area. But in coverage he's as good as I thought he was. Peterson gave up no catches to any other receiver. I don't think the stats show his true performance in this game. Jones made two great plays. The other 4 catches were under 5 yards, trying to get Jones some YAC plays. But Peterson didn't allow any YAC. Jones is pretty good blocker as a receiver. Peterson caused McElroy's interception in the first by jamming Jones off his route. He also caused a few sacks were McElroy looked to Jones but Jones was too well covered. Overall it was definitely a great battle between 2 great players. Both will be multiple pro bowlers at the NFL level. I think a Peterson-Champ duo would really be great but most of all Champ would help turn Peterson from being a Pro Bowl player into a potential Hall of Famer. Peterson certainly wasn't bested in this game. He made some great knockdowns and caused a turnover and some coverage sacks.

Carmelo15
03-15-2011, 08:42 AM
Here's the link for the LSU v. Alabama games again in case anyone wants to watch Peterson v. Julio Jones matchup for themselves:
http://www.secdigitalnetwork.com/SECVIDEO/TabId/468/VideoId/9320/Alabama-Vs-LSU-Nov-6-2010-Full-Game.aspx

Beantown Bronco
03-15-2011, 08:46 AM
I think one thing people keep ignoring with Peterson is the added value he brings as a return man. He's in Devin Hester/DeSean Jackson territory as a returner, and that increases his value over your normal elite CB prospect.

But that advantage is negated when half your games are played in Denver, where every kickoff goes for a touchback and almost every punt is either a fair catch or touchback. Every year, Denver drafts top college returners and every year, they get neutered here. It's not a coincidence.

TheReverend
03-15-2011, 08:47 AM
We're switching to a 4-3. What would trading DJ have to do with picking up an OLB? DJ plays DE in a 4-3.

O_o

Beantown Bronco
03-15-2011, 08:48 AM
O_o

Caught me before I deleted it. For some reason I was thinking Dumervil all while typing DJ. I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

TheReverend
03-15-2011, 08:50 AM
Caught me before I deleted it. For some reason I was thinking Dumervil all while typing DJ. I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

Oh, sorry.

BroncoInferno
03-15-2011, 08:52 AM
But that advantage is negated when half your games are played in Denver, where every kickoff goes for a touchback and almost every punt is either a fair catch or touchback. Every year, Denver drafts top college returners and every year, they get neutered here. It's not a coincidence.

Yes, it is a coincidence. We drafted guys like Darrent Williams and Eddie Royal who had good reputations as returners in college, but didn't quite have "it" with the ball in their hands at the pro level. The poor blocking they received didn't help, either. It didn't have anything to do with touchbacks. Not with regards to punt returns at any rate. Kickoff returns, yes, the touchbacks would be an issue.

Beantown Bronco
03-15-2011, 09:04 AM
Yes, it is a coincidence. We drafted guys like Darrent Williams and Eddie Royal who had good reputations as returners in college, but didn't quite have "it" with the ball in their hands at the pro level. The poor blocking they received didn't help, either. It didn't have anything to do with touchbacks. Not with regards to punt returns at any rate. Kickoff returns, yes, the touchbacks would be an issue.

Touchbacks still happen on punts. As well as fair catches. I obviously don't have the stat in front of me, but I'd be shocked if we weren't among the league leaders in both categories. It just makes sense.

I just have a really hard time believing it's a coincidence that in all of Broncos history, despite all the changes in special teams personnel and coaching, and a real emphasis on drafting top college returners, that we've only had one returner (that I'm aware of - Deltha O'Neal) named to the probowl.

Kaylore
03-15-2011, 09:05 AM
I'm not sure you can say he's a once a generation player when there are questions about ultimately what is his position in the NFL.

Is he going to be the next Charles Woodson or Antrelle Rolle?

Neither are with their original teams so I'm not too worried about drafting a Von Miller or Darius over Peterson. Really don't think the team will regret passing on Peterson. What he Dieon do for ATL. Nada. Champ was traded for Portis. CBs can be found in FA or later in the draft than at #2.


Regardless of postion we need a all pro defensive player with our top pick


Right now I think Denver will flip flop with either BUF or Cincy and draft Von Miller no later than 4th right in front of ARI

I think he's more comparable to Nnamdi. They both have huge size but freakish speed. If Peterson learns that one armed jam he'll be unstoppable.

I actually don't mind who we get. For once we have a shot at two or three great players, but I wouldn't mind Peterson at all.

StugotsIII
03-15-2011, 09:18 AM
Can Peterson stop the run and sack the qb?

No?

Pass.

TheReverend
03-15-2011, 09:33 AM
Can Peterson stop the run and sack the qb?

No?

Pass.

Yes and yes actually...

yerner
03-15-2011, 09:38 AM
Anybody else hear Kiper talk about the bust rate of cornerbacks? It was very small. He quoted top 5 drafted cbs, and first rounders. I can't remember the exact percentages but it seems like Peterson would be the safest choice. Plus he's freaking awesome.

teknic
03-15-2011, 09:43 AM
Anybody else hear Kiper talk about the bust rate of cornerbacks? It was very small. He quoted top 5 drafted cbs, and first rounders. I can't remember the exact percentages but it seems like Peterson would be the safest choice. Plus he's freaking awesome.

Add the fact that he could probably play safety in the nfl with his size and elite ball skills and speed (think Ed Reed), and he's the safest pick.

Let me put it this way, when you look back at previous Broncos drafts and the players we passed on, don't you wish we had taken Ed Reed when we had the opportunity?

TheReverend
03-15-2011, 09:49 AM
Anybody else hear Kiper talk about the bust rate of cornerbacks? It was very small. He quoted top 5 drafted cbs, and first rounders. I can't remember the exact percentages but it seems like Peterson would be the safest choice. Plus he's freaking awesome.

I was doing that months ago and comparing it to the ridiculously high bust rate of DTs....

schaaf
03-15-2011, 09:50 AM
Anybody else hear Kiper talk about the bust rate of cornerbacks? It was very small. He quoted top 5 drafted cbs, and first rounders. I can't remember the exact percentages but it seems like Peterson would be the safest choice. Plus he's freaking awesome.

I did a little research on that last month, I took every defensive back drafted in the top half of the first round and found out that they had a 72% chance of becoming pro bowl level. The percentage of "busts" was VERY low.

I also looked into the percentages for Defensive Lineman taken in the top half of the first round and Defensive Lineman had a 34% chance of making it to a pro bowl level. And this number may be a little high depending on what your opinion is of certain players.

HAT
03-15-2011, 09:55 AM
Add the fact that he could probably play safety in the nfl with his size and elite ball skills and speed (think Ed Reed), and he's the safest pick.

Let me put it this way, when you look back at previous Broncos drafts and the players we passed on, don't you wish we had taken Ed Reed when we had the opportunity?

Hmmmmm....You might be on to something there. Whad'ya think 'Maners?

:wiggle:



Just messin' with ya Tek.....

"We could've had Reeeeeeeed!" Is a longtime Orangemane battle cry & meme.

Rugby7
03-15-2011, 11:46 AM
Can Peterson stop the run and sack the qb?

No?

Pass.

C'mon if you can cover man to man - you can blitz
if you can cover man to man you can use a safety to stop the run
if you cover there is more time to get to the qb
if you can pick six you can win

elsid13
03-15-2011, 03:32 PM
Peterson is by the far the safety pick for Denver. Unlike a DT he going to make an impact in his first year as returner and most likely as the nickle back.

TheReverend
03-15-2011, 03:42 PM
Peterson is by the far the safety pick for Denver. Unlike a DT he going to make an impact in his first year as returner and most likely as the nickle back.

NO WAY Goodman beats him out. None. Effing zero.

Dedhed
03-15-2011, 03:46 PM
Peterson is by the far the safety pick for Denver. Unlike a DT he going to make an impact in his first year as returner and most likely as the nickle back.

PP would start opposite Champ, day 1.

elsid13
03-15-2011, 03:56 PM
NO WAY Goodman beats him out. None. Effing zero.

Veteran experience and techinque are advantage. And as I posted it at worse Peterson is your nickle back and returner as rookie. That pretty good contribution for any rookie.

TheReverend
03-15-2011, 05:09 PM
Veteran experience and techinque are advantage. And as I posted it at worse Peterson is your nickle back and returner as rookie. That pretty good contribution for any rookie.

It's an advantage, but honestly it's not huge of a deal for CBs, RBs, etc.

Massive talent will trump below average talent with a few vet tricks.