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cutthemdown
03-10-2011, 11:15 PM
Man that is huge. The loss of life will hopefully not be that much but they say huge waves going out into pacific.

Killericon
03-10-2011, 11:18 PM
Man that is huge. The loss of life will hopefully not be that much but they say huge waves going out into pacific.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12709598

While the damage is not to be overlooked, it always amazes me how earthquake-proof their buildings are.

The tsunami is worrisome, though.

Archer81
03-10-2011, 11:18 PM
Watching it on Fox...water everywhere. Farmland getting flooded.


:Broncos:

cutthemdown
03-10-2011, 11:19 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12709598

While the damage is not to be overlooked, it always amazes me how earthquake-proof their buildings are.

The tsunami is worrisome, though.

They have so many earthquakes they are forced to be good.

Rother8
03-10-2011, 11:51 PM
9.5 is the highest quake ever recorded. (chile). So this is pretty freaking insane.

24champ
03-10-2011, 11:53 PM
The tsunami video they show, is pretty ****ing unreal.

24champ
03-10-2011, 11:58 PM
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Quoydogs
03-11-2011, 12:13 AM
Man just saw some footage of cars going over a waterfall like dominoes. My Nephew lives in Yokohama and says it's crazy there right now. I guess there is just one quake after another right now.

broncocalijohn
03-11-2011, 12:16 AM
I guess we are going to see some big waves on our west coast come tomorrow? Spicoli and friends will be out in force. Prayers out to those suffering loss of loved ones and property.

OBF1
03-11-2011, 12:23 AM
That is one huge quake... I am telling you, California is way past due.

cutthemdown
03-11-2011, 12:33 AM
I know that there is some tension on Okinawa with our bases. Also I think one our politicians over there said some damaging remarks and had to be removed.

I'd say a huge American response to help them as much as we can asap would be a good idea for Obama. Sort of a no brainer, i realize I'm not breaking any watergates with that one. But the Japanese will respect a big effort I think. Maybe we can send those troops on Okinawa into action somehow.

cutthemdown
03-11-2011, 12:34 AM
That is one huge quake... I am telling you, California is way past due.

Let's get prepared. I always say that then don't. Then I sort of do but years later I am not prepared again.

So what do we do?

24champ
03-11-2011, 12:45 AM
I guess we are going to see some big waves on our west coast come tomorrow? Spicoli and friends will be out in force. Prayers out to those suffering loss of loved ones and property.

Yeah, sometime around 830 am depending on where your at.

http://wcatwc.arh.noaa.gov/2011/03/11/lhvpd9/01/webetalhvpd9-01.txt

broncocalijohn
03-11-2011, 02:00 AM
Let's get prepared. I always say that then don't. Then I sort of do but years later I am not prepared again.

So what do we do?

You have a locker or a plastic chest outside in your backyard away from the house. Every 6 months, change the food to keep it as fresh as possible. Put old clothes out in there that you might give to goodwill. Also, buy earthquake insurance.

Ratboy
03-11-2011, 02:09 AM
Okinawa is good.

Ratboy
03-11-2011, 02:15 AM
I know that there is some tension on Okinawa with our bases. Also I think one our politicians over there said some damaging remarks and had to be removed.

I'd say a huge American response to help them as much as we can asap would be a good idea for Obama. Sort of a no brainer, i realize I'm not breaking any watergates with that one. But the Japanese will respect a big effort I think. Maybe we can send those troops on Okinawa into action somehow.

We have a large number of folks here in Okinawa, but there are bases in Misawa (northern Japan) and Tokyo.

WolfpackGuy
03-11-2011, 04:54 AM
Stay away from the shores today, west coasters.

strafen
03-11-2011, 06:07 AM
That's a king size earthquake.. wow!

bowtown
03-11-2011, 06:09 AM
Prob a McDaniels supporter.

Buster Bluth
03-11-2011, 06:21 AM
Just woke up to this news... awful. Anyone know if there's a website where loved ones can check in that they're okay? Impossible to reach anyone there at the moment, and I have some friends there.

ShutDownPoster
03-11-2011, 06:39 AM
I had to turn off the TV, it was really disturbing - looked like that opening scene from Hereafter. My colleague is from Tokyo and thankfully all his peeps are OK - 8.9 - what a horrific disaster.

gunns
03-11-2011, 06:48 AM
Wow, watching that Tsunami, unbelievable. They say it's hitting Hawaii right now and is expected to have an effect on the West Coast around 9. My heart goes out to the Japanese. Such devastation, just awful.

JCMElway
03-11-2011, 06:51 AM
Prob a McDaniels supporter.

He's tearing that country apart!

On the non-humorous, thoughtful side, prayers, energy, and good thoughts go out to folks caught up in the disaster. Did they have any warnings to leave the area beforehand?

gunns
03-11-2011, 06:55 AM
They said on the West Coast do not go see this unless you are at least 200 yards away. They've said all military personnel in Japan are accounted for but I have to wonder how they could assess that fast. Just a worried person here for our military.

missingnumber7
03-11-2011, 07:34 AM
Calling trees and formations to easy to get accountability quick.

oubronco
03-11-2011, 07:37 AM
This is insane

gunns
03-11-2011, 07:48 AM
Calling trees and formations to easy to get accountability quick.

Yeah my son just told me that have procedures when this happens to do this quickly. Sure glad.

WolfpackGuy
03-11-2011, 07:49 AM
Did they have any warnings to leave the area beforehand?

Unfortunately, the quake was centered less than 100 miles offshore, so probably not too much of a warning after the quake.

Dutch
03-11-2011, 08:01 AM
Yeah my son just told me that have procedures when this happens to do this quickly. Sure glad.

People who have not served in the military don't have a very good idea how effective and efficiently it operates in circumstances like this one. Bear in mind that the response is no different than it would be if the Chinese or North Koreans had launched an attack. We were hit with a couple of catagory 5 Super Typhoons and several large earthquakes while I was stationed in Iwakuni (Southeastern coastof Japan). Personnel headcounts were accomplished in no time. I would imagine we will see the 7th Fleet and the Marine amphibious units moving in to assist in short order. Fresh water will be a real concern going forward.

Dutch
03-11-2011, 08:05 AM
Okinawa is good.

Where are you at in Oki? My little Bro' was at Hansen. Looks like Oki was sheilded from the worst of it do to the epicenter being on the opposite side of the Japenese landmass from where Oki is.

Ambiguous
03-11-2011, 08:06 AM
Unfortunately, the quake was centered less than 100 miles offshore, so probably not too much of a warning after the quake.

They had about a 10-15 minute warning.

strafen
03-11-2011, 08:16 AM
Prob a McDaniels supporter.Seriously?
On the heels of one of the biggest recorded earthquake in history, this is the best your stupid ass can come up with?
About sending some prayers to those people your arrogant asshole?

SonOfLe-loLang
03-11-2011, 08:16 AM
Those videos are insane. Its crazy how easily those waves wash away cars

Dutch
03-11-2011, 08:22 AM
Unfortunately, the quake was centered less than 100 miles offshore, so probably not too much of a warning after the quake.

Yep. Japan has one of the most extensive and advanced earthquake warning systems on earth, but not much can be done when it hits that close. Devastating stuff. Prayers out to all effected. They are in for a long night over there between the aftershocks (first one was a 7.2, lower since, but still coming every 20 min or so) and the devistation to the infrastructure (power, water, sewage, transit).

Dutch
03-11-2011, 08:24 AM
They had about a 10-15 minute warning.

Man, can you imagine being in the surge zone and only getting 10-15 min to get moving? Crap.

Quoydogs
03-11-2011, 08:54 AM
I live in Portland and that was the weakest tsunami I've ever seen here. I was hoping it would back the Columbia up and flood the city but that's just not going to happen. Oh well I guess there is always hope for the next one.

Cito Pelon
03-11-2011, 08:57 AM
Yeesh. Nasty. The tsunami hit Maui with 7-ft waves, but apparently the tsunami energy is more toward South America rather than North America.

Chris
03-11-2011, 09:08 AM
Those videos are insane. Its crazy how easily those waves wash away cars

Forget cars. Buildings.

spdirty
03-11-2011, 09:14 AM
I live in Portland and that was the weakest tsunami I've ever seen here. I was hoping it would back the Columbia up and flood the city but that's just not going to happen. Oh well I guess there is always hope for the next one.

Well, since I heard about this I have been praying for me and my family's safety up here in Bailey, Colorado. So far we've been lucky regarding aftershocks and tsunamis. And people say that God doesnt answer prayers.

schaaf
03-11-2011, 10:02 AM
That is one huge quake... I am telling you, California is way past due.

L.A. is way past due

TheReverend
03-11-2011, 10:56 AM
Source of the quake:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WX28QBAHa30/TFIEZgVly7I/AAAAAAAABFA/thU6Vz7JYY0/s1600/godzilla.jpg

Spider
03-11-2011, 11:08 AM
bad , but it will help Japans unemployment rate

Beantown Bronco
03-11-2011, 11:29 AM
Just saw that they had a separate 6.6 quake in a different spot.....not an aftershock

Punisher
03-11-2011, 11:33 AM
Hearts out to all that died truly a sad day

Butterscotch Stallion
03-11-2011, 11:49 AM
Japan's (http://topics.breitbart.com/Japan/) massive earthquake caused a power outage (http://topics.breitbart.com/power+outage/) that disabled a nuclear reactor's cooling system, triggering evacuation orders for about 3,000 residents as the government declared its first-ever state of emergency at a nuclear plant. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9LT6T580&show_article=1

Ambiguous
03-11-2011, 11:50 AM
Man, can you imagine being in the surge zone and only getting 10-15 min to get moving? Crap.

Yeah and on the heels of a major earthquake as well.

Punisher
03-11-2011, 11:59 AM
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MetroPCS Guy lol

Gort
03-11-2011, 12:07 PM
Source of the quake:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WX28QBAHa30/TFIEZgVly7I/AAAAAAAABFA/thU6Vz7JYY0/s1600/godzilla.jpg

Joy Behar?

Cito Pelon
03-11-2011, 12:18 PM
Japan's (http://topics.breitbart.com/Japan/) massive earthquake caused a power outage (http://topics.breitbart.com/power+outage/) that disabled a nuclear reactor's cooling system, triggering evacuation orders for about 3,000 residents as the government declared its first-ever state of emergency at a nuclear plant. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9LT6T580&show_article=1

The terremoto torqued that whole nuclear plant, twisted the whole building and flooded it also.

Garcia Bronco
03-11-2011, 01:20 PM
Well, since I heard about this I have been praying for me and my family's safety up here in Bailey, Colorado. So far we've been lucky regarding aftershocks and tsunamis. And people say that God doesnt answer prayers.

If Yellow Stone ever goes; I believe we can all kiss our ass goodbye.

Boomhauer
03-11-2011, 01:27 PM
Japan's (http://topics.breitbart.com/Japan/) massive earthquake caused a power outage (http://topics.breitbart.com/power+outage/) that disabled a nuclear reactor's cooling system, triggering evacuation orders for about 3,000 residents as the government declared its first-ever state of emergency at a nuclear plant. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9LT6T580&show_article=1

No biggie. The Japanese have developed immunity to radiation since Hiroshima.
Ain't none of you ever seen Ghost in the Shell?
http://www.gizmodiva.com/entry_images/1009/15/HRP-4C.jpg
http://images.devshed.com/dh/stories/Humanoid%20Robots/image001.jpg

cutthemdown
03-11-2011, 01:43 PM
Good to see most of us concerned for our allies and friends in Japan. A few stupid comments but those were from people who we expect that from.

Gort
03-11-2011, 01:54 PM
Good to see most of us concerned for our allies and friends in Japan. A few stupid comments but those were from people who we expect that from.

i posted about it on another forum. things look bad there right now. one guy on the radio this morning even said it would take Japan a decade to recover/rebuild. that might be hyperbole, but there is no doubt that hundreds of people have already died, and alot of people are unaccounted for. drudgereport.com is running breaking news headlines and the latest is that a bullet train and cruise ship have gone missing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-1365380/Japan-earthquake-latest-travel-advice.html

gunns
03-11-2011, 02:40 PM
Just reported that radiation levels outside of nuclear plants is surging. Just seems to be one thing on top of another for these poor people.

gunns
03-11-2011, 02:45 PM
Some of us were talking about what would you do in these circumstances. I would do some looting, sorry to say. I would head to the pharmacies and load up on antibiotics, and pain killers. Then get blankets, batteries, lighters, and coats. I've got a decent food storage (including dog food), unless it was destroyed.

TDmvp
03-11-2011, 02:49 PM
Yea it's getting spooky.


Japan says radiation levels surged outside nuclear plant.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_japan_quake_power_plant


TOKYO – Japanese nuclear officials say radiation levels inside a nuclear power plant have surged to 1,000 times their normal levels after the cooling system failed.
The nuclear safety agency said early Saturday that some radiation has also seeped outside the plant, prompting calls for further evacuations of the area. Some 3,000 people have already been urged to leave their homes.

Old Dude
03-11-2011, 02:51 PM
What's the deal with the tsunami warnings in the NW US? Family from Oregon reported earlier that they had evacuation warnings underway.

Gort
03-11-2011, 02:55 PM
What's the deal with the tsunami warnings in the NW US? Family from Oregon reported earlier that they had evacuation warnings underway.

there's been 1 death in the US already.

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=127779

Spider
03-11-2011, 03:06 PM
If Yellow Stone ever goes; I believe we can all kiss our ass goodbye.

yellow stone is 640 thousand years over due ............ just sayin

TheReverend
03-11-2011, 03:08 PM
yellow stone is 640 thousand years over due ............ just sayin

Wrong as usual. The last time it erupted was 640,000 years ago, genius.

baja
03-11-2011, 03:18 PM
This just in they are unable to control the pressure of two nuclear power plants. People being evacuated.

Edit; they just said there is a threat of a melt down. MSNBC

TDmvp
03-11-2011, 03:25 PM
This just in they are unable to control the pressure of two nuclear power plants. People being evacuated.

Edit; they just said there is a threat of a melt down. MSNBC

Yea , It's getting spooky.

Gort
03-11-2011, 03:37 PM
Yea , It's getting spooky.

http://mikemonaco.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/count-floyd.jpg

Smiling Assassin27
03-11-2011, 03:47 PM
Yea , It's getting spooky.

Sounds like a replay of 3 mile island. Coolant circulation stopped, water boiled off, was vented, and the core uncovered. The only unknown is the condition of the core at this point.

Damn right it's getting scary.

Rigs11
03-11-2011, 03:51 PM
http://mikemonaco.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/count-floyd.jpg

aaaaoooooooooo...scary storyHa!

cutthemdown
03-11-2011, 05:29 PM
This just in they are unable to control the pressure of two nuclear power plants. People being evacuated.

Edit; they just said there is a threat of a melt down. MSNBC

Holy crap. This could go from bad to worst really fast.

WolfpackGuy
03-11-2011, 06:00 PM
Wikipedia, then Google map the coordinates of Fu(k)ushima power station...

How they were allowed to build a nuke station on the coast in an earthquake/tsunami prone area is beyond me.

They are seriously ****ed if they don't figure out a way to get those cores cooled.

Anyone heard of Diablo Canyon in California which sits on the coast AND an active fault?

Similar thing could happen there.

Ratboy
03-11-2011, 06:24 PM
Earthquakes are the most amazing natural disaster, imo. I've been through hurricanes and tornadoes, but earthquakes are such a powerful force.

I was here when a 7.?? happened off the coast of Okinawa. The way the ground moves is insane. First it rocked really hard and when it started to slow down it was like the entire Island was tilting back and forth. It felt like standing on a trampoline.

KipCorrington25
03-11-2011, 08:13 PM
Yeah it's funny the morons with the joke posts are always the first to post the "I need your prayers" posts when their granny slips in the tub or something...

95% of Chiefs Planet are that type.

Atwater His Ass
03-11-2011, 08:45 PM
I got to experience this yesterday since I live in Japan, a few hundred miles south of Sendai. I happened to be home, thought my house was going to collapse. Although worst part of it for me was just losing power all night. Tsunami didn't hit here at all.

I've been through a lot of small earthquakes, having lived in Japan for 3 years and also Seattle for 5 years (another hot bed of seismaic activity). Most are pretty small, and not really worth talking about. This one started that way, then kept escalting for about 60 seconds until my entire house was swaying like a branch in a breeze.

As far as the reactors, the rods that halt the fission drop into the core automatically within seconds of sensing the quake, reducing the heat output to something like 5% of normal. The issue is the residual heat and the inability to remove it due to the power loss to run the coolant pumps. Even if a partial melt down occurs, threats to the public are minimal to non-existant, as their still another layer of reactor containment. At the end of the day, 3 mile island had no disceranble effect on the public either.

NUB
03-11-2011, 09:33 PM
Saw the footage of the tsunami wave just eating up cars that were still driving along the road. Pretty awful, really. I agree with the observation that earthquakes are one of the more impressive natural disasters. Along with volcanoes, nothing gets more visceral in telling us that we still live on a relatively primitive planet. The Earth is still in a cooling stage even as we live and go about our lives on top of it. To be obliterated by the Earth itself is pretty startling to me, anyway. I hope Japan can recover in speedy fashion, but it looks pretty bad on those coastlines.

Boomhauer
03-12-2011, 02:32 AM
This just in they are unable to control the pressure of two nuclear power plants. People being evacuated.

Edit; they just said there is a threat of a melt down. MSNBC

F.ukushima Number One just blew its containment vessel, obliterating its building spectacurlaly. It had already melted through its housing, so now there's likely fissal material in the open. Hope the wind is headed out to sea.
http://img.listal.com/image/1149597/936full-dr.-strangelove-or%3A-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb-screenshot.jpg

Requiem
03-12-2011, 05:17 AM
Of course it is scary.

Where are the morons a few weeks ago who are still advocating for nuclear power now?

LoL.

elsid13
03-12-2011, 08:04 AM
Just got back from Hawaii, Thursday night into Friday morning there was some major worry the potential for the tsunami was headed our way. Not a great situation to be in when you are away from home and have no gear.

UberBroncoMan
03-12-2011, 08:33 AM
Of course it is scary.

Where are the morons a few weeks ago who are still advocating for nuclear power now?

LoL.

**** happens. I'm all for nuke power. Stuff like Chernobyl won't happen anymore due to how modern stations are developed. No graphite, etc. We've had nuke plants in the US for years. Where are all our meltdowns and end of the US scenarios? Exactly. Guess France is due for obliteration as well. Us going Nuke power over coal would be win.

JJJ
03-12-2011, 08:46 AM
Of course it is scary.

Where are the morons a few weeks ago who are still advocating for nuclear power now?

LoL.

Why would this stop the advocation of nuclear power? It looks like the core is still ok even after the massive explosion.

So a 40 year old plant survived at 8.9 the sixth biggest quake on record, a massive tsunami, and an explosion of its outer protective core and still is not presenting a major threat at this point.

I think that is a commerical for just how safe nuclear power can be.

jhns
03-12-2011, 08:47 AM
Of course it is scary.

Where are the morons a few weeks ago who are still advocating for nuclear power now?

LoL.

We are starting to build new plants now. Obama is making sure of it. The only reason we aren't building a lot of new ones at this moment is the cost, not the safety.... We will continue to build new ones in the future.

Winning.

Cito Pelon
03-12-2011, 08:49 AM
Wikipedia, then Google map the coordinates of Fu(k)ushima power station...

How they were allowed to build a nuke station on the coast in an earthquake/tsunami prone area is beyond me.

They are seriously ****ed if they don't figure out a way to get those cores cooled.

Anyone heard of Diablo Canyon in California which sits on the coast AND an active fault?

Similar thing could happen there.

Well, you gotta have water for a reactor to generate steam for the steam turbines that power the electrical generators, so you have to be near a dependable water source.

There's just no way around it. The nuclear power doesn't run the generators, it's the steam produced by the nuclear power that runs the steam turbines. And it's not a closed system, you need a constant supply of new water.

As long as you can remove the nuclear rods from the fission chamber, you won't have a meltdown. A meltdown is fission out of control, and to prevent that it's just a matter of having the ability to stop the fission process.

TDmvp
03-12-2011, 08:52 AM
Why would this stop the advocation of nuclear power? It looks like the core is still ok even after the massive explosion.

So a 40 year old plant survived at 8.9 the sixth biggest quake on record, a massive tsunami, and an explosion of its outer protective core and still is not presenting a major threat at this point.

I think that is a commerical for just how safe nuclear power can be.

JJJ does have a point and the U.S. is a little less volatile than Japan as far as Earthquakes and Tsunamis ...

Rock Chalk
03-12-2011, 08:57 AM
That is one huge quake... I am telling you, California is way past due.

Thing is Dimitri, no one cares.

Rock Chalk
03-12-2011, 09:01 AM
Of course it is scary.

Where are the morons a few weeks ago who are still advocating for nuclear power now?

LoL.

Haha, liberal douches like you crack me up.

Not one fatality from the Nuclear power plants. Not one radiation leak. A scare? Sure, it was a 40 year old power plant (which doesnt have the latest technology) that just survived the largest quake in Japanese history and no one was injured from it.

Score 1 for the proponents of Nuclear Power!

baja
03-12-2011, 09:02 AM
Thank you...

Look you dumbass, you probably don't even know who Dean Wormers wife was or how she was a whore.

Your your just a juvinile moron thinking your making cute internet insults.

I protect my cat, why did this go there? I don't **** the cat. He's in a cookie and perfectly safe. So ****ing what?

Wow...I should have the cat outside in december mousing or whatever? You people are a bunch of idiots. BTW, the cat sleeps in different spots all the time.

He's slept on on a rug in front of the toilet, a fridge, a shoebox, a corner for no apparent reason, a dawer, and of course...my quilt. ~ RIP Brian Pelzer

You nailed him. Nice tribute. Given your history with him it's an impressive gesture.

It's nice watching your evolution as a human being.

Cito Pelon
03-12-2011, 09:12 AM
Why would this stop the advocation of nuclear power? It looks like the core is still ok even after the massive explosion.

So a 40 year old plant survived at 8.9 the sixth biggest quake on record, a massive tsunami, and an explosion of its outer protective core and still is not presenting a major threat at this point.

I think that is a commerical for just how safe nuclear power can be.

There's problems with nuclear power generation, it's not perfect.

You have to dispose of the spent fuel, then there is also the problem of breeder reactors. Breeder reactors enrich uranium to weapons-grade plutonium.

This is why there's a problem with Iran building nuclear plants - they can build a uranium-powered nuclear plant, then use it as a breeder reactor to acquire weapons-grade plutonium.

JJJ
03-12-2011, 09:21 AM
There's problems with nuclear power generation, it's not perfect.

You have to dispose of the spent fuel, then there is also the problem of breeder reactors. Breeder reactors enrich uranium to weapons-grade plutonium.

This is why there's a problem with Iran building nuclear plants - they can build a uranium-powered nuclear plant, then use it as a breeder reactor to acquire weapons-grade plutonium.

Fully agree. It is far from perfect.

But I think our "lets not build any nuclear plants for the last 30 years for no good reason" approach is pretty stupid.

We were building a world class site to deposit all our nuclear waste safely and we have stopped it. $8B in sunk costs down the drain.

Butterscotch Stallion
03-12-2011, 01:45 PM
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willyallthewei
03-12-2011, 02:56 PM
Guys, this is the Japanese government here, the one that won't admit to what it did to American POWs in WWII and the genocides it conducted in China. They could very well be conducting serious damage control to the point of flat out lieing about the plant's condition.

I'm going to wait a few days and see whether the plant really is okay or not.

JJJ
03-12-2011, 03:37 PM
Guys, this is the Japanese government here, the one that won't admit to what it did to American POWs in WWII and the genocides it conducted in China. They could very well be conducting serious damage control to the point of flat out lieing about the plant's condition.

I'm going to wait a few days and see whether the plant really is okay or not.

That is the right call. The cooling may not work. But still pretty amazing you can have explosion like that and the inner core still bascally intact.

Gort
03-12-2011, 05:46 PM
That is the right call. The cooling may not work. But still pretty amazing you can have explosion like that and the inner core still bascally intact.

when an article on the "dangers" of radiation only quotes anti-nuclear activists and organizations, i tend to be suspicious about any assertions made in said article.

so far, there's been a lot of melodramatic proclamations by the scientifically-uneducated media about "radiation being 1000x" normal and reactors exploding or melting down and how dangerous it all is and blah blah blah...

however, here's somebody who actually works with radiation to pooh-pooh some of those reckless assertions being trotted out in the media about how much danger these radiation releases actually are:

http://wormme.com/2011/03/12/incalcuable-danger/

when engineers and scientists (without an agenda) speak, i'll listen. when journalists and bloggers and activists speak, i tune them out. call me crazy, but that's just how i roll...

:wave:

i'm not saying i'd want to have a picnic next to one of those reactor facilities tomorrow or anything like that... just that we should wait and see what's really happened before jumping to blanket conclusions about the use of nuclear power and its risks.

Requiem
03-12-2011, 05:46 PM
Haha, liberal douches like you crack me up.

The take wasn't given because of an ideological leaning, nor does it have one, but mental midgets like you certainly wouldn't understand that.

AZorange1
03-12-2011, 06:12 PM
Well, you gotta have water for a reactor to generate steam for the steam turbines that power the electrical generators, so you have to be near a dependable water source.

There's just no way around it. The nuclear power doesn't run the generators, it's the steam produced by the nuclear power that runs the steam turbines. And it's not a closed system, you need a constant supply of new water.

As long as you can remove the nuclear rods from the fission chamber, you won't have a meltdown. A meltdown is fission out of control, and to prevent that it's just a matter of having the ability to stop the fission process.

What he said:wave::wave: Hey, your not the dude with the Starliner I raced my 62 Chevy II against back in 67 on a Thur night at Bobs Big Boy in Van Nuys, Ca, are you?

Boomhauer
03-12-2011, 06:13 PM
Guys, this is the Japanese government here...

Their past history trying to cover nuclear accidents, which they've had a few in the last two decades, has continued. The assertions the core is fine, even though tests point to meltdown beginning two days ago. First saying the explosion wasn't at the plant until video of it happening. Now claiming the explosion was unrelated to the problems with the core. Claims that radiation isn't a risk while evacuation has increased from 3 to 10 to 20km around the site. Japan is about as honest and forthcoming as the USSR when it comes to nuclear power.

As to what's known;
- F.ukushima Number Two began venting four reactors.
- One of F.ukushima Number One's cores melted down and broke containment at least into the outer transfer container. When they vented, core material was released into the air and they quickly haulted. The surrounding building later exploded, likely from the transfer container rupturing under high pressure, littering the area with both scrap and airborn smoke/dust.
- Cooling has failed at multiple other cores.

What's unknown;
- If F.ukushima Number Two vented low radiation heat transfer steam, or if they were contaminated by fissal material too.
- If the F.ukushima Number One explosion was caused by loss of containment, basically becoming a massive dirty bomb. If they vented into the building instead of outside to try and minimize airborn release, but resulted in an explosion. If their story about the explosion being unrelated to the core is true, in which case only irradiated building material went airborn.
- If the core of F.ukushima Number One is now exposed to the air.
- The state of their other cores.

Bottom line;
This is already much worse than Three Mile Island and possible equal or worse than Chernobyl.

baja
03-12-2011, 08:27 PM
Their past history trying to cover nuclear accidents, which they've had a few in the last two decades, has continued. The assertions the core is fine, even though tests point to meltdown beginning two days ago. First saying the explosion wasn't at the plant until video of it happening. Now claiming the explosion was unrelated to the problems with the core. Claims that radiation isn't a risk while evacuation has increased from 3 to 10 to 20km around the site. Japan is about as honest and forthcoming as the USSR when it comes to nuclear power.

As to what's known;
- F.ukushima Number Two began venting four reactors.
- One of F.ukushima Number One's cores melted down and broke containment at least into the outer transfer container. When they vented, core material was released into the air and they quickly haulted. The surrounding building later exploded, likely from the transfer container rupturing under high pressure, littering the area with both scrap and airborn smoke/dust.
- Cooling has failed at multiple other cores.

What's unknown;
- If F.ukushima Number Two vented low radiation heat transfer steam, or if they were contaminated by fissal material too.
- If the F.ukushima Number One explosion was caused by loss of containment, basically becoming a massive dirty bomb. If they vented into the building instead of outside to try and minimize airborn release, but resulted in an explosion. If their story about the explosion being unrelated to the core is true, in which case only irradiated building material went airborn.
- If the core of F.ukushima Number One is now exposed to the air.
- The state of their other cores.

<b>Bottom line;
This is already much worse than Three Mile Island and possible equal or worse than Chernobyl.


That's quite a statement! I read the rest of the post and from the points you say are factual one can not deduce this is worse than Three Mile Island at this point.

Ugly Duck
03-12-2011, 09:38 PM
Stay away from the shores today, west coasters.

Happens every time there's a tsunami warning - people rush down to the water's edge to watch. They just can't help it cuz they're too fuggin stoopid. One dead, several rescued by the Coast Guard.

"Hey - lets go down to the water & watch the tsunami!"

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20110311/capt.64052458e25a4e4da0a60ec496e277f7-64052458e25a4e4da0a60ec496e277f7-0.jpg?x=400&y=266&q=85&sig=xNhpGgJ5Pef4Qc_5TgzHag--

"Oh noes... now we're dead!" (Crescent City, CA)

http://media.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/photo/9375376-large.jpg

NUB
03-13-2011, 12:03 AM
Jesus, one of the reactor buildings exploded. I don't think things are honky dory and if there was ever a type of people to speak around an issue it would be the Japanese. It's just how they conduct business over there.

DarkHorse30
03-13-2011, 12:50 AM
.....however, here's somebody who actually works with radiation to pooh-pooh some of those reckless assertions being trotted out in the media about how much danger these radiation releases actually are:

http://wormme.com/2011/03/12/incalcuable-danger/



GREAT website. I told my kids and they may actually get thrown out of school next week for having random independent thought streams that don't concur....oops my bad

Atwater His Ass
03-13-2011, 01:02 AM
Jesus, one of the reactor buildings exploded. I don't think things are honky dory and if there was ever a type of people to speak around an issue it would be the Japanese. It's just how they conduct business over there.

The explosion had nothing to do with the reactor. It was a temporary cooling pump system that was setup as a last ditch effort before flooding with sea water.

NUB
03-13-2011, 01:22 AM
The explosion had nothing to do with the reactor. It was a temporary cooling pump system that was setup as a last ditch effort before flooding with sea water.

It had nothing to do with the reactor except it was a last ditch effort system for the reactor. That exploded the building the reactor is stored in.

Atwater His Ass
03-13-2011, 03:04 AM
It had nothing to do with the reactor except it was a last ditch effort system for the reactor. That exploded the building the reactor is stored in.

No it wasn't.

NUB
03-13-2011, 03:47 AM
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4931/whatareyouserious.png

Requiem
03-13-2011, 03:49 AM
Hey NUB. HOw are you?

cutthemdown
03-13-2011, 04:01 AM
Maybe 10 thousand or more dead? This is really really bad and I just feel horrible about it. I know we fought a big war with Japan, and we aren't exactly perfect allies, but this is really sad.

TailgateNut
03-13-2011, 05:42 AM
I believe it's akin to their casualty estimates in the hours after the Tsunami. They estimated/reported hundreds dead and missing. I told me wife they've got to be kidding. Watching the disaster unfold, I began to envision they final tallies. Those weren't quite as rosy as those of the authorities and the media.
IMO, this will rank at the top of some of the "new age" natural disasters with some assistance from our "technology".
I think when they finally "come clean" about the problem with the nuclear facility, we'll all be surprised.

defenseman
03-13-2011, 07:08 AM
I believe it's akin to their casualty estimates in the hours after the Tsunami. They estimated/reported hundreds dead and missing. I told me wife they've got to be kidding. Watching the disaster unfold, I began to envision they final tallies. Those weren't quite as rosy as those of the authorities and the media.
IMO, this will rank at the top of some of the "new age" natural disasters with some assistance from our "technology".
I think when they finally "come clean" about the problem with the nuclear facility, we'll all be surprised.

When they "come clean"? So svengali, what's wrong over there?....tell us all EXACTLY what's wrong......

TailgateNut
03-13-2011, 07:40 AM
When they "come clean"? So svengali, what's wrong over there?....tell us all EXACTLY what's wrong......


Hey BubbleBlower, when did you get out of the slammer?

TailgateNut
03-13-2011, 07:44 AM
When they "come clean"? So svengali, what's wrong over there?....tell us all EXACTLY what's wrong......


They built nuclear facilities designed for magnitude 2.0 earthquakes and just had a magnitude 9.0. I wonder how much could go wrong.

defenseman
03-13-2011, 07:47 AM
They built nuclear facilities designed for magnitude 2.0 earthquakes and just had a magnitude 9.0. I wonder how much could go wrong.

Is your information validated?....you sure about that?....

TailgateNut
03-13-2011, 08:48 AM
Is your information validated?....you sure about that?....

Sure thing, just like everyone else.

I base my post on media information and common sense. But hey, I could be like you and know anything and everything youl'd ever want to know about nuclear energy:rofl:

Tombstone RJ
03-13-2011, 09:29 AM
Maybe 10 thousand or more dead? This is really really bad and I just feel horrible about it. I know we fought a big war with Japan, and we aren't exactly perfect allies, but this is really sad.

Actually, Japan is our stongest allie in Asia (even better than South Korea IMHO). WWII has nothing to do with what is happening over there now. The Japanese have not had a military since the end of WWII, so I'm not sure where your getting this "we aren't exactly perfect allies" stuff from. They are as stong of a US allie as any in Asia, if not the strongest allie we have.

Let's see what the good ole US fed gov is gonna do to help Japan. Right now, I don't see a whole lot of effort by the Obama administration.

Gort
03-13-2011, 09:36 AM
Actually, Japan is our stongest allie in Asia (even better than South Korea IMHO). WWII has nothing to do with what is happening over there now. The Japanese have not had a military since the end of WWII, so I'm not sure where your getting this "we aren't exactly perfect allies" stuff from. They are as stong of a US allie as any in Asia, if not the strongest allie we have.

Let's see what the good ole US fed gov is gonna do to help Japan. Right now, I don't see a whole lot of effort by the Obama administration.

Japan has a very good military. the JDF. we have joint exercises with them all the time. what they don't have is an Imperial Japan anymore. that ended with WWII. during WWII, the emperor was a "God" figure and the Japanese army/navy called the shots in conjunction with the emperor. in fact, emperor Hirohito should have been executed for war crimes at the end of the war, but because of the delicate proposition of introducing democracy there, MacArthur and others felt it would be better to leave him in place as a figure head. he lived until 1989.

Japan and the US have been very strong allies for decades. we just have a very weak and indecisive leader in our white house right now. of course, King Barry did go golfing yesterday (again), so all must be well. /sarc

Tombstone RJ
03-13-2011, 09:45 AM
Japan has a very good military. the JDF. we have joint exercises with them all the time. what they don't have is an Imperial Japan anymore. that ended with WWII. during WWII, the emperor was a "God" figure and the Japanese army/navy called the shots in conjunction with the emperor. in fact, emperor Hirohito should have been executed for war crimes at the end of the war, but because of the delicate proposition of introducing democracy there, MacArthur and others felt it would be better to leave him in place as a figure head. he lived until 1989.

Japan and the US have been very strong allies for decades. we just have a very weak and indecisive leader in our white house right now. of course, King Barry did go golfing yesterday (again), so all must be well. /sarc

The JDF is a civilian operation and not a "military" in the same sense as the US military. It's there exclusively for self defense and Japan relies heavily on the US for it's protection from foreign aggression.

bowtown
03-13-2011, 09:57 AM
Actually, Japan is our stongest allie in Asia (even better than South Korea IMHO). WWII has nothing to do with what is happening over there now. The Japanese have not had a military since the end of WWII, so I'm not sure where your getting this "we aren't exactly perfect allies" stuff from. They are as stong of a US allie as any in Asia, if not the strongest allie we have.

Let's see what the good ole US fed gov is gonna do to help Japan. Right now, I don't see a whole lot of effort by the Obama administration.


Do you actually read or watch the news or do you just make **** up as you go?

"Today's events remind us of just how fragile life can be," the president said. "Our hearts go out to our friends in Japan and across the region, and we're going to stand with them as they recover and rebuild from this tragedy."

The president said the United States has mobilized efforts, including ship and air power to assist the Japanese. The United States has one aircraft in Japan and another is on the way, and a ship is also en route to Marianas Islands for assistance, Obama said.

The United States quickly mobilized efforts and redirected its assets in the region to aid the Japanese shortly after the devastating 8.9 magnitude earthquake and tsunami shook the country, even though a formal request didn't come until much later.

A USAID Disaster Assistance Response Team is assembling to go to Japan, with their team leader already en route, USAID spokesman Lars Anderson told ABC News. USAID has stood up a Response Management Team in its Washington, D.C. headquarters to oversee logistics of a U.S. response.

A Defense Department official said U.S. Pacific Command is sending some P-3 Orion maritime surveillance aircraft to support the Japanese government by providing aerial reconnaissance over quake-damaged areas.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/japan-earthquake-tsunami-obama-offers-condolences-japanese/story?id=13113812&page=1


WASHINGTON — The U.S. government, private aid groups and American corporations mobilized Saturday in support of rescue and recovery efforts in disaster-stricken Japan.

U.S. Navy ships and aircraft converged on the country in the wake of Friday's earthquake and tsunami, and the main U.S. aid agency dispatched two urban search-and-rescue teams. Private American aid groups also sent teams. The two biggest private U.S. satellite companies, GeoEye and DigitalGlobe, aimed their orbiting cameras at Japan in an effort to provide governments and relief agencies with helpful overhead imagery of the affected area.

The U.S. military assistance operation is known as Operation Tomodachi, or "friendship," the III Marine Expeditionary Force said in a statement. The operation name was chosen by the Japanese.

"Our military is working closely with their Japanese counterparts to support where requested and needed," John Roos, the U.S. ambassador to Japan, said Saturday.

In Shiroishi, a town near the area hardest hit by the earthquake, two helicopters from the U.S. 7th Fleet delivered 1,500 pounds of rice and bread donated by the people of Ebina, a town to the south.

The destroyers McCampbell and Curtis Wilbur were preparing to move into position off Miyagi Prefecture "to assist Japanese authorities with providing at-sea search-and-rescue and recovery operations." An additional destroyer, Mustin, was to sail today.

The aircraft carrier Ronald Reagan, along with a cruiser, a destroyer and a combat support ship, was en route to the east coast of Honshu and was expected to arrive today. The aircraft carrier is prepared to serve as a platform for refueling Japanese military and other helicopters involved in rescue and recovery efforts ashore.

An amphibious assault ship, the Essex, left Malaysia with elements of the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit and is expected in Japan on Wednesday.

The U.S. Agency for International Development dispatched two search-and-rescue teams, one from Fairfax County, Va., and the second from Los Angeles County, Calif. Each has about 72 people plus dogs and 75 tons of rescue equipment.

"We are working with the government of Japan to provide any assistance needed in the rescue effort as quickly as possible," USAID chief Rajiv Shah said.

http://www.statesman.com/news/world/u-s-military-american-aid-groups-rush-to-1317138.html

Tombstone RJ
03-13-2011, 10:58 AM
Do you actually read or watch the news or do you just make **** up as you go?

I haven't been watching the news that much, been kinda busy, but thanks for the update. I stand corrected on what the Obama administration is doing.

defenseman
03-13-2011, 12:05 PM
Sure thing, just like everyone else.

I base my post on media information and common sense. But hey, I could be like you and know anything and everything youl'd ever want to know about nuclear energy:rofl:

"the media" needs to go to the design basis for the japanese plants, specifically seismic aspect of mitigation, and then ascertain what magnitude earthquake has been evaluated. Trust me, it's been factored into design. It's simple really. Pulling a 2.0 out of the air is far from fact my friend. Do your homework.....and send an email to your media friends, including fox, fox is really losing crediblility with some of their "experts". I'd say 75% of them have issues with their facts at one point or another.

Inkana7
03-13-2011, 12:13 PM
The JDF is a civilian operation and not a "military" in the same sense as the US military. It's there exclusively for self defense and Japan relies heavily on the US for it's protection from foreign aggression.

Though it is technically a defense force, Japan spends the 7th most amount of money on their military, according to wikipedia.

baja
03-13-2011, 12:24 PM
"the media" needs to go to the design basis for the japanese plants, specifically seismic aspect of mitigation, and then ascertain what magnitude earthquake has been evaluated. Trust me, it's been factored into design. It's simple really. Pulling a 2.0 out of the air is far from fact my friend. Do your homework.....and send an email to your media friends, including fox, fox is really losing credibility with some of their "experts". I'd say 75% of them have issues with their facts at one point or another.

LOL Fox is beginning to lose credibility. LOL

Boomhauer
03-13-2011, 12:42 PM
When they "come clean"? So svengali, what's wrong over there?....tell us all EXACTLY what's wrong......

Seems the Japanese press is getting closer to truth, regardless of the states comments. Appears the No. 3 reactor is in the same situation as the No. 1 reactor that exploded at the F.ukushima Number One plant.
From Kyodo News, Japan
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/77478.html
-snips- ... "While acknowledging that fuel rods of the No. 3 reactor at the F.ukushima No. 1 plant may have been deformed due to excessive heat, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano denied it has led to a ''meltdown,'' a critical situation where fuel rods have melted and been destroyed. Hidehiko Nishiyama, a senior official of the Economy, Trade and Industry Ministry indicated, however, that the reactor core has melted partially, telling a news conference, ''I don't think the fuel rods themselves have been spared damage.''

Cooling failure led the fuel rods at another reactor at the same plant to partially melt Saturday, and an ensuing explosion that blew away part of a building housing the reactor triggered fears of a nuclear disaster. Edano, the top government spokesman, warned that a hydrogen explosion similar to one that hit the No. 1 reactor could occur at the No. 3 reactor. Large amounts of hydrogen were formed when the water injection procedure temporarily ran into trouble and hydrogen may have filled the upper part of a building housing the No. 3 reactor, Edano said at a separate news conference.
...
Meanwhile, radiation monitored at the Onagawa nuclear power plant in Miyagi Prefecture on the Pacific coast shot up from late Saturday through early Sunday, Tohoku Electric Power Co. said, adding that radiation levels were low but about 700 times as high as normal. The government agency said it was likely caused by radioactive substances that scattered when a hydrogen explosion hit the troubled F.ukushima plant, about 120 kilometers south. The No. 3 reactor was the sixth reactor overall at the F.ukushima No. 1 and No. 2 plants, which are located about 11 km apart, to experience cooling failure since the massive earthquake and ensuing tsunami struck the power facilities.
...
The country's first partial melting of a reactor core was confirmed Saturday through the detection near the facility of radioactive cesium and iodine -- materials created following atomic fission. Coolant water had been being pumped into the No. 3 reactor through supply equipment since the reactor shut down automatically following the quake, but the supply stopped on Sunday morning, making it necessary to pump seawater into the facility. Following the explosion, the authorities expanded from 10 km to 20 km the radius of the evacuation area for residents living in the vicinity of the ***ushima plants."

And from an earlier article...
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/76992.html
-snips- "...Given the adjacent No. 2 plant also has quake-triggered malfunctions, the operator of the two plants in ***ushima Prefecture is set to release pressure in containers housing their reactors under an unprecedented government order, so as to avoid the plants sustaining damage and losing their critical containment function. But the action would involve the release of steam that would likely include radioactive materials.
...
The authorities expanded the evacuation area for residents in the vicinity of the No. 1 plant from a 3-kilometer radius to 10 km on the orders of Prime Minister Naoto Kan, who visited the facility. The government also declared that the F.ukushima No. 2 plant is under a state of atomic-power emergency, in addition to the No. 1 plant, and expanded the evacuation area to include the vicinity of the No. 2 plant. The instruction covers residents living in a radius of 3 kilometers of the F.ukushima No. 2 plant. Those living in a radius of 3-10 kilometers of the plant have also been advised to stay inside."
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhxxqbPus71qg5sopo1_400.jpg
*edit: Spelling of plant and pic selection modified to clear filters

TailgateNut
03-13-2011, 01:06 PM
"the media" needs to go to the design basis for the japanese plants, specifically seismic aspect of mitigation, and then ascertain what magnitude earthquake has been evaluated. Trust me, it's been factored into design. It's simple really. Pulling a 2.0 out of the air is far from fact my friend. Do your homework.....and send an email to your media friends, including fox, fox is really losing crediblility with some of their "experts". I'd say 75% of them have issues with their facts at one point or another.


The info was from an interview with a professor on MSNBC and he stated that the power plant was built with a design based on earthquakes with a 2.0 magnitude. No go back to masturbating.

oubronco
03-13-2011, 01:30 PM
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/gss-110313-japanquake/gss-110313-japanquake-08.grid-12x3.jpg

broncolife
03-13-2011, 01:31 PM
Did I hear right? A volcano is erupting in Japan

baja
03-13-2011, 01:33 PM
MSNBC is not reporting anything about a volcano

Tombstone RJ
03-13-2011, 01:37 PM
Though it is technically a defense force, Japan spends the 7th most amount of money on their military, according to wikipedia.

fair enough, I also read that in 2006 Japan officially acknowledged the JDF as a military force, under civilian control. I guess there are still many people in Japan society who do not want a military and don't like spending money on the military, so it's a touchy situation for the Japanese government.

broncolife
03-13-2011, 01:38 PM
Either fox or Cnn reported it then didnt say anything since.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110313/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_volcano

baja
03-13-2011, 01:43 PM
Fox cold tell me the sun is shining and I'd have to go outside before I believed it.

Tombstone RJ
03-13-2011, 01:45 PM
Fox cold tell me the sun is shining and I'd have to go outside before I believed it.

yet you probably live and die by what msnbc or john stewart of the daily show spews out (yes, unfortunately some people really get there news from the daily show)...

try not to put all your eggs in one basket when it comes to the news.

Ugly Duck
03-13-2011, 02:47 PM
FOX News is reporting that UFOs might be hovering over Tokyo.

Just what they need in Japan right now - an alien invasion! At least FOX has the guts to report what lamestream media avoid... or we'd be in the dark!

Inkana7
03-13-2011, 02:53 PM
yet you probably live and die by what msnbc or john stewart of the daily show spews out (yes, unfortunately some people really get there news from the daily show)...

try not to put all your eggs in one basket when it comes to the news.

In a way, by being a Comedy show, The Daily Show is more objective and honest than any other news source. And they go after the left as well as the right. But mostly the right because y'all just enjoy contradicting yourselves so much.

baja
03-13-2011, 02:53 PM
yet you probably live and die by what msnbc or john stewart of the daily show spews out (yes, unfortunately some people really get there news from the daily show)...

try not to put all your eggs in one basket when it comes to the news.

good advice do you take it as well.

TDmvp
03-13-2011, 02:54 PM
FOX News is reporting that UFOs might be hovering over Tokyo.

Just what they need in Japan right now - an alien invasion! At least FOX has the guts to report what lamestream media avoid... or we'd be in the dark!

Link ?

baja
03-13-2011, 02:56 PM
Link ?

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JJJ
03-13-2011, 03:01 PM
In a way, by being a Comedy show, The Daily Show is more objective and honest than any other news source. And they go after the left as well as the right. But mostly the right because y'all just enjoy contradicting yourselves so much.

He almost never exposes the massive leftie hypocrisies anymore. He used to but not anymore. Scab Stewart has a massive lefty bias and now simply lets it out there without any pretense of objectivity.

Other than that it is a pretty objective show.

Tombstone RJ
03-13-2011, 03:22 PM
good advice do you take it as well.

yep... I generally don't get my news from TV, I mainly get it via the interwebz and then I try to triangulate a story (same story from 3 different news sources).

TV is entertainment primarily so it's gonna have its spins. If I have to go to a tv news source, I'll go to Fox first simply because the are the lesser of two evils IMHO. The reason I say this is because of the Democratic Primaries a few year's back. NBC, msnbc, CBS and ABC all basically promoted Obama while at the same time ostracizing Clinton. Fox actually covered Clinton's campaign and followed her political events. The other news channels either bashed her, or ignored her.

That right there told me that IF I'm gonna watch TV news, I'll start with Fox. But if I start with Fox, then I'll flip over to the opposit spectrum (msnbc) and see what they are saying too.

baja
03-13-2011, 03:27 PM
yep... I generally don't get my news from TV, I mainly get it via the interwebz and then I try to triangulate a story (same story from 3 different news sources).

TV is entertainment primarily so it's gonna have its spins. If I have to go to a tv news source, I'll go to Fox first simply because the are the lesser of two evils IMHO. The reason I say this is because of the Democratic Primaries a few year's back. NBC, msnbc, CBS and ABC all basically promoted Obama while at the same time ostracizing Clinton. Fox actually covered Clinton's campaign and followed her political events. The other news channels either bashed her, or ignored her.

That right there told me that IF I'm gonna watch TV news, I'll start with Fox. But if I start with Fox, then I'll flip over to the opposit spectrum (msnbc) and see what they are saying too.

Glen Beck and Bill OReilly will appreciate your support.

Gort
03-13-2011, 03:28 PM
He almost never exposes the massive leftie hypocrisies anymore. He used to but not anymore. Scab Stewart has a massive lefty bias and now simply lets it out there without any pretense of objectivity.

Other than that it is a pretty objective show.

Inkana7 also advises:

- learn physics from watching Roadrunner cartoons
- learn history from watching Oliver Stone movies
- learn about an honest day's work by joining a union

Tombstone RJ
03-13-2011, 03:37 PM
Glen Beck and Bill OReilly will appreciate your support.

and Keith Oberman enjoys yours... like I said, I don't watch tv much...

baja
03-13-2011, 03:39 PM
me neither actually.

Tombstone RJ
03-13-2011, 03:39 PM
In a way, by being a Comedy show, The Daily Show is more objective and honest than any other news source. And they go after the left as well as the right. But mostly the right because y'all just enjoy contradicting yourselves so much.

It's not a news show, it's a comedy show, it's pure entertainment and nothing more. Anyone who puts any credence into anything Stewarts says about a news story is part of the joke.

baja
03-13-2011, 03:40 PM
but nobody tops glen beck, nobody!

Tombstone RJ
03-13-2011, 03:40 PM
me neither actually.

except the Broncos, that's where we join hands... :thumbs:

Ugly Duck
03-13-2011, 08:53 PM
It's not a news show, it's a comedy show, it's pure entertainment and nothing more. Anyone who puts any credence into anything Stewarts says about a news story is part of the joke.

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Boomhauer
03-13-2011, 09:13 PM
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cutthemdown
03-13-2011, 09:27 PM
Classic Orangemane!

strafen
03-13-2011, 10:53 PM
Check the power of mother nature.
amazing force!

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cutthemdown
03-13-2011, 11:06 PM
WASHINGTON – Searching for laughs — and finding them — president Barack Obama spared few targets Saturday night, from Democratic allies to Republican antagonists to the journalists who cover him.
At his first presidential appearance before the Gridiron Club, Obama picked up on the spirit of the evening, leveling jokes in every direction including his own.
He jabbed at potential Republican presidential rivals. He saluted Mississippi's portly Gov. Haley Barbour, saying he appreciated his support of First Lady Michelle Obama's anti-obesity campaign.


Good to see President focused. I hope he knows Japan will now be selling US Bonds and also not buying any. This is really bad human toll in Japan, and we are going to feel it here as well.

defenseman
03-14-2011, 02:55 AM
The info was from an interview with a professor on MSNBC and he stated that the power plant was built with a design based on earthquakes with a 2.0 magnitude. No go back to masturbating.

And libs never stretch the truth?...I'm afraid I woud need to put eyes on the licensing basis myself....not willing to take press or academia's input on that fact....

TailgateNut
03-14-2011, 04:20 AM
And libs never stretch the truth?...I'm afraid I woud need to put eyes on the licensing basis myself....not willing to take press or academia's input on that fact....

Whatever bud. You and your military education doesn't make you an expert on nuclear issues. IMO military training and education is to criterion referenced to give you a broad knowledge of anything wich isn't directly associated with you MOS.

Keep blowing your larger than life horn.

If you look at todays news you'll see that my opinion is coming to fruition. our boys on one of the aircraft carriers have been exposed to radiation and the Japanese are still trying to convince the world that there isn't a major problem with those plants.

Give me a ****ing break.



Now STFU and make me a sandwich. ;D

Rascal
03-14-2011, 07:32 AM
Read and learn.

http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-reactors-pose-no-risk-2011-3

bowtown
03-14-2011, 08:31 AM
Read and learn.

http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-reactors-pose-no-risk-2011-3

That's a great article.

Rohirrim
03-14-2011, 08:52 AM
You can see the devastation here. Just click on the photos for before and after:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42064847/ns/world_news-asiapacific

BroncoLifer
03-14-2011, 11:05 AM
That's a great article.

Yes, it is, and what a contrast with the quality of the coverage provided by most of the media.

sakuraba
03-14-2011, 11:18 AM
tsunami = the whales have spoken, f*#k you Japan

bronco militia
03-14-2011, 11:35 AM
Read and learn.

http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-reactors-pose-no-risk-2011-3

Mike Rosen of 850 koa had an nuclear physicist from Mines confirm the science of this article.

Inkana7
03-14-2011, 11:39 AM
Inkana7 also advises:
- learn about an honest day's work by joining a union

Yes, clearly, my grandfather, who spent 50 years working anywhere from 50 to 80 hours a week working as an operating engineer, from the era of steam engines up until the modern-day, was a lazy **** who never experienced an honest day's work, because he was also a card carrying member of a union.

Shut the **** up, you ignorant twat.

WolfpackGuy
03-14-2011, 11:46 AM
Read and learn.

http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-reactors-pose-no-risk-2011-3

Great article.

There goes the 2.0 myth.

I thought that number was way too low for a country at the cutting edge of earthquake mitigation.

Still baffling why nuke plants depend so heavily on off site power in a station blackout situation, but not as baffling as the replacement generators having the wrong plugs!

Drunk Monkey
03-14-2011, 12:12 PM
Read and learn.

http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-reactors-pose-no-risk-2011-3

Great read, more people need to read and understand this.

Gort
03-14-2011, 12:20 PM
Yes, clearly, my grandfather, who spent 50 years working anywhere from 50 to 80 hours a week working as an operating engineer, from the era of steam engines up until the modern-day, was a lazy **** who never experienced an honest day's work, because he was also a card carrying member of a union.

Shut the **** up, you ignorant twat.

unions suck. public sector unions suck more. you suck the most.

:~ohyah!:

bowtown
03-14-2011, 12:28 PM
Great article.

There goes the 2.0 myth.

I thought that number was way too low for a country at the cutting edge of earthquake mitigation.

Still baffling why nuke plants depend so heavily on off site power in a station blackout situation, but not as baffling as the replacement generators having the wrong plugs!

Those replacement generators were brought in from offsite. I don't think they were specifically meant as replacement generators for the plant. The plant replcement generators were wiped out by the tsunami.

cutthemdown
03-14-2011, 12:31 PM
tsunami = the whales have spoken, f*#k you Japan

Whale Karma. I'm not political correct so I have to say when someone photoshops a big whale jumping, with tsunami coming out of it, i will probably look at it.

WABronco
03-14-2011, 01:03 PM
tsunami = the whales have spoken, f*#k you Japan

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yPWyFZEdY0s/Su2VnuLbufI/AAAAAAAAMmA/SbGIOYeR-oc/s400/paulwatson-tv2.jpg

STFU

cutthemdown
03-14-2011, 01:05 PM
The Mayor of Tokyo just said that the wave is punishment to the Japanese culture for becoming greedy and selfish.

Holy crap who is this guy?

cutthemdown
03-14-2011, 01:06 PM
I would say that is slightly different then how Guilliani played it 9-11.

Miss I.
03-14-2011, 01:09 PM
I would say that is slightly different then how Guilliani played it 9-11.

yes but hardly the first time someone has played blamed the victims or used a mystical reason of some sort to explain a phenomena of nature:
The Bible's flood story is God punishing His people for sinfulness is it not? Sodom and Gomorrah being punished for their sins with presumably some sort of sand storm or tornado or something.

WolfpackGuy
03-14-2011, 02:01 PM
Those replacement generators were brought in from offsite. I don't think they were specifically meant as replacement generators for the plant. The plant replcement generators were wiped out by the tsunami.

In normal operations, the coolant pumps are powered off the reactor turbines.

In a station blackout, the coolant pumps are first dependent on offsite power from the grid, then onsite backup generators, then battery power.

They got hit with a triple whammy because the grid got knocked out, the tsunami took out the onsite backup generators, leaving them with battery power which eventually ran out because the trucked in replacement generators had the wrong plugs.

I know you can't plan for everything, but hopefully they get it under control. The coolant system and procedure can not be allowed to fail at any cost.

cutthemdown
03-14-2011, 02:04 PM
yes but hardly the first time someone has played blamed the victims or used a mystical reason of some sort to explain a phenomena of nature:
The Bible's flood story is God punishing His people for sinfulness is it not? Sodom and Gomorrah being punished for their sins with presumably some sort of sand storm or tornado or something.

One of my facebook friends for band put all the nations rising up, all the attacks, all the disasters, are you ready. Then some quote for the book of Luke. I'm sort of agnostic, not really sure, but the religious people sort of think this is the start of 2nd coming.

JJJ
03-14-2011, 02:45 PM
The Mayor of Tokyo just said that the wave is punishment to the Japanese culture for becoming greedy and selfish.

Holy crap who is this guy?

Sounds a lot like the mayor of London. Good grief.

How come nobody is bashing the prime minister of not getting food and water to the affected areas fast enough? This is the most prepared government on the planet. The liberals made it sound so easy when Bushy was having trouble delivering after Katrina shouldn't they be fully bashing the Japanese in the same way?

BroncoLifer
03-14-2011, 03:23 PM
How come nobody is bashing the prime minister of not getting food and water to the affected areas fast enough? This is the most prepared government on the planet. The liberals made it sound so easy when Bushy was having trouble delivering after Katrina shouldn't they be fully bashing the Japanese in the same way?

That would require consistency of thought and actions.

Fedaykin
03-14-2011, 03:27 PM
Great article.

There goes the 2.0 myth.

I thought that number was way too low for a country at the cutting edge of earthquake mitigation.

Still baffling why nuke plants depend so heavily on off site power in a station blackout situation, but not as baffling as the replacement generators having the wrong plugs!

More baffling is why a simple matter like 'wrong plugs' prevented them from using the generators. I'd be highly surprised if a nuke plant didn't have some of the most skilled electricians available.

sakuraba
03-14-2011, 03:41 PM
28186


recent photo from Sendai ! I knew there was something up with this tsunami.

Inkana7
03-14-2011, 04:05 PM
Sounds a lot like the mayor of London. Good grief.

How come nobody is bashing the prime minister of not getting food and water to the affected areas fast enough? This is the most prepared government on the planet. The liberals made it sound so easy when Bushy was having trouble delivering after Katrina shouldn't they be fully bashing the Japanese in the same way?

Totally different scenarios. The biggest difference being that one is the President of the county we reside in, and the other is the Prime Minister of Japan.

And they are not "the most prepared government on the planet," although placing cultural stereotypes on the government is a nice trick. The Japanese government is pretty damn corrupt and not very good.

Tombstone RJ
03-14-2011, 04:10 PM
Totally different scenarios. The biggest difference being that one is the President of the county we reside in, and the other is the Prime Minister of Japan.

And they are not "the most prepared government on the planet," although placing cultural stereotypes on the government is a nice trick. The Japanese government is pretty damn corrupt and not very good.

This is the first I've heard of the Japanese government being corrupt (more so than say the US fed gov). Care to elaborate?

mhgaffney
03-14-2011, 04:29 PM
Read and learn.

http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-reactors-pose-no-risk-2011-3

Despite the rave posts -- it is not a great article.

The author limits the discussion to the reactor cores. He does not even mention the other potentially disastrous problem of the cooling ponds for the spent reactor fuel -- which is also extremely radioactive.

The cooling ponds do not have containment. If the cooling water is not replenished -- the heat from the spent fuel will evaporate the cooling water -- and the reactor waste will heat up and up.

At some point the spent fuel will catch fire. If this happens it will spew all manner of death across Japan -- and the jet stream will carry the poison to the US.

You guys are reading the wrong stuff -- and it is making you complacent.

Check this out:

All Bets Are Off

Meltdown at ***ushima

By ROBERT ALVAREZ

http://www.counterpunch.org/wasserman03112011.html

Japan's government and nuclear industry, with assistance from the U.S. military, is in a desperate race to stave off multiple nuclear reactor meltdowns — as well as potential fires in pools of spent fuel.

As of Sunday afternoon, more than 170,000 people have been evacuated near the reactor sites as radioactive releases have increased. The number of military emergency responders has jumped from 51,000 to 100,000. Officials now report a partial meltdown at ***ushima's Unit 1. Japanese media outlets are reporting that there may be a second one underway at Unit 3. People living nearby have been exposed to unknown levels of radiation, with some requiring medical attention.

Meanwhile, Unit 2 of the Tokai nuclear complex, which is near Kyodo and just 75 miles north of Tokyo, is reported to have a coolant pump failure. And Japan's nuclear safety agency has declared a state of emergency at the Onagawa nuclear power plant in northeastern Japan because of high radiation levels. Authorities are saying its three reactors are "under control."

The damage from the massive earthquake and the tsunamis that followed have profoundly damaged the reactor sites' infrastructure, leaving them without power and their electrical and piping systems destroyed. A hydrogen explosion yesterday at Unit 1 severely damaged the reactor building, blowing apart its roof.

The results of desperate efforts to divert seawater into the Unit 1 reactor are uncertain. A Japanese official reported that gauges don't appear to show the water level rising in the reactor vessel.

There remain a number of major uncertainties about the situation's stability and many questions about what might happen next. Along with the struggle to cool the reactors is the potential danger from an inability to cool ***ushima's spent nuclear fuel pools. They contain very large concentrations of radioactivity, can catch fire, and are in much more vulnerable buildings. The ponds, typically rectangular basins about 40 feet deep, are made of reinforced concrete walls four to five feet thick lined with stainless steel.

The boiling-water reactors at ***ushima — 40 years old and designed by General Electric — have spent fuel pools several stories above ground adjacent to the top of the reactor. The hydrogen explosion may have blown off the roof covering the pool, as it's not under containment. The pool requires water circulation to remove decay heat. If this doesn't happen, the water will evaporate and possibly boil off. If a pool wall or support is compromised, then drainage is a concern. Once the water drops to around 5-6 feet above the assemblies, dose rates could be life-threatening near the reactor building. If significant drainage occurs, after several hours the zirconium cladding around the irradiated uranium could ignite.

Then all bets are off.

On average, spent fuel ponds hold five-to-ten times more long-lived radioactivity than a reactor core. Particularly worrisome is the large amount of cesium-137 in fuel ponds, which contain anywhere from 20 to 50 million curies of this dangerous radioactive isotope. With a half-life of 30 years, cesium-137 gives off highly penetrating radiation and is absorbed in the food chain as if it were potassium.

In comparison, the 1986 Chernobyl accident released about 40 percent of the reactor core's 6 million curies. A 1997 report for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) by Brookhaven National Laboratory also found that a severe pool fire could render about 188 square miles uninhabitable, cause as many as 28,000 cancer fatalities, and cost $59 billion in damage. A single spent fuel pond holds more cesium-137 than was deposited by all atmospheric nuclear weapons tests in the Northern Hemisphere combined. Earthquakes and acts of malice are considered to be the primary events that can cause a major loss of pool water.

In 2003, my colleagues and I published a study that indicated if a spent fuel pool were drained in the United States, a major release of cesium-137 from a pool fire could render an area uninhabitable greater than created by the Chernobyl accident. We recommended that spent fuel older than five years, about 75 percent of what's in U.S. spent fuel pools, be placed in dry hardened casks — something Germany did 25 years ago. The NRC challenged our recommendation, which prompted Congress to request a review of this controversy by the National Academy of Sciences. In 2004, the Academy reported that a "partially or completely drained a spent fuel pool could lead to a propagating zirconium cladding fire and release large quantities of radioactive materials to the environment."

Given what's happening at the ***ushima Daiichi nuclear complex, it's time for a serious review of what our nuclear safety authorities consider to be improbable, especially when it comes to reactors operating in earthquake zones.

Robert Alvarez, an Institute for Policy Studies senior scholar, served as senior policy adviser to the Energy Department's secretary from 1993 to 1999. www.ips-dc.org

Archer81
03-14-2011, 04:49 PM
...


You posted something of a political bias to counter something of a political bias...

Smooth.

:Broncos:

JJJ
03-14-2011, 05:07 PM
Totally different scenarios. The biggest difference being that one is the President of the county we reside in, and the other is the Prime Minister of Japan.
And they are not "the most prepared government on the planet," although placing cultural stereotypes on the government is a nice trick. The Japanese government is pretty damn corrupt and not very good.

Did you really write this sentence with a straight face? Captain Obvious award on the way.

Cultural stereotypes? No, not really. How many other countries actually have tsunami channels and sea walls built for that specific purpose. How many countries sound off sirens when there is the slightest burp in the ocean?

I know how inefficient the Japanese can be having worked there quite a bit. Their engineers can be frustrating sometimes (lets eliminate all the possible wrong answers before stumbling on the right one) and I am sure their politicians are 10 times worse. But you gotta give credit where credit is due.

The reality is getting federal aid to a disaster like this takes 5 to 7 days to mobilize whether you are in the 7th Ward or the Miyagi Prefecture. Bush was unfairly butchered for Katrina, this disaster and Obama's pathetic oil spill response are proof.

mhgaffney
03-14-2011, 05:23 PM
This expert predicted a Japanese nuclear disaster back in 2004.

Sunday, May 23, 2004

Japan's deadly game of nuclear roulette

By LEUREN MORET
Special to The Japan Times


http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20040523x2.html

Cito Pelon
03-14-2011, 05:36 PM
In normal operations, the coolant pumps are powered off the reactor turbines.

In a station blackout, the coolant pumps are first dependent on offsite power from the grid, then onsite backup generators, then battery power.

They got hit with a triple whammy because the grid got knocked out, the tsunami took out the onsite backup generators, leaving them with battery power which eventually ran out because the trucked in replacement generators had the wrong plugs.

I know you can't plan for everything, but hopefully they get it under control. The coolant system and procedure can not be allowed to fail at any cost.

I'm surprised the batteries worked after an influx of seawater.

mhgaffney
03-14-2011, 05:40 PM
They flew in diesel generators -- but could not use them because the hook up assemblies were not compatible.

Just heard on the radio that the third reactor roof has now blown off -- not good.

Punisher
03-14-2011, 05:46 PM
28186


recent photo from Sendai ! I knew there was something up with this tsunami.

Turns out it wasn't Godzilla it was the

Crab People

http://www.youthink.com/images/2009/08/14/youthinkdotcom_3019709_164669.jpg

The Japanese denied the crab people equal human rights so they had enough in declared war on japan.

OBF1
03-14-2011, 06:01 PM
Read and learn.

http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-reactors-pose-no-risk-2011-3

Excellent read, thanks for posting it:notworthy

BreesLightning
03-14-2011, 06:15 PM
Did you really write this sentence with a straight face? Captain Obvious award on the way.

Cultural stereotypes? No, not really. How many other countries actually have tsunami channels and sea walls built for that specific purpose. How many countries sound off sirens when there is the slightest burp in the ocean?

I know how inefficient the Japanese can be having worked there quite a bit. Their engineers can be frustrating sometimes (lets eliminate all the possible wrong answers before stumbling on the right one) and I am sure their politicians are 10 times worse. But you gotta give credit where credit is due.

The reality is getting federal aid to a disaster like this takes 5 to 7 days to mobilize whether you are in the 7th Ward or the Miyagi Prefecture. Bush was unfairly butchered for Katrina, this disaster and Obama's pathetic oil spill response are proof.

Yeah because Katrina and this disaster are exactly at the same level. Katrina was a walk in the park compared to what the Japanese are facing.

baja
03-14-2011, 06:25 PM
Yeah because Katrina and this disaster are exactly at the same level. Katrina was a walk in the park compared to what the Japanese are facing.

Easy for you to say......

BreesLightning
03-14-2011, 06:32 PM
Easy for you to say......

I guess even someone in a single car accident has a hard time of it. It still doesn't take away from the actual size and scope of each situation. In this case, resource comparisons are being made and one disaster definitely dwarfs the other in terms of both devastation caused and actual resources available to rectify situation. Japan is getting hit on all sides and they are nowhere near the size of the U.S. in either manpower or economic means. But yeah, thanks for your input dumbass.

PS Bush is still a moron.

scorpio
03-14-2011, 06:39 PM
All of you idiots cracking jokes really make me sick.

Cito Pelon
03-14-2011, 06:44 PM
I wonder if China, Korea, the Phillipines are rushing to aid Japan.

AZorange1
03-14-2011, 06:49 PM
I feel for the people of Japan. I can't even imagine what it would be like to be a resident there. Worse I've been in is a twister that came from Kansas back in the early 80's. I really hope they make it out of this. BUT, I am hoping the Japanese whaling fleet was in the harbor at the time. Everyone on the Steve Irwin and Bob Barker could go back to their dismal lives.

baja
03-14-2011, 06:59 PM
I guess even someone in a single car accident has a hard time of it. It still doesn't take away from the actual size and scope of each situation. In this case, resource comparisons are being made and one disaster definitely dwarfs the other in terms of both devastation caused and actual resources available to rectify situation. Japan is getting hit on all sides and they are nowhere near the size of the U.S. in either manpower or economic means. But yeah, thanks for your input dumbass.

PS Bush is still a moron.

Would rather you have your head crushed like a nut in a large hydraulic press or would be you prefer the clean work of the guillotine.

It's the "walk in the park" part I was taking issue with that does now make me a dumb ass but it does make you lousy are analogies.

Arkie
03-14-2011, 07:14 PM
Via the Telegraph

Perhaps even more impressive than Japan’s technological power is its social strength, with supermarkets cutting prices and vending machine owners giving out free drinks as people work together to survive. Most noticeably of all, there has been no looting, and I’m not the only one curious about this.

This is quite unusual among human cultures, and it’s unlikely it would be the case in Britain. During the 2007 floods in the West Country abandoned cars were broken into and free packs of bottled water were stolen. There was looting in Chile after the earthquake last year – so much so that troops were sent in; in New Orleans, Hurricane Katrina saw looting on a shocking scale.

Why do some cultures react to disaster by reverting to everyone for himself, but others – especially the Japanese – display altruism even in adversity?
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100079703/why-is-there-no-looting-in-japan/

TailgateNut
03-14-2011, 07:20 PM
VALUES!
RESPECT!
EMPATHY!

AZorange1
03-14-2011, 07:27 PM
Perhaps because they have had to deal with millions of people living in a cramped area and have "banded" together to form a single unit as opposed to our country where it's "everyone for themselves" attitude, lone exception being the Native American Indians who only took what they needed. A disaster hits here and the store cuts it's prices in Half? Ya right, when hell freezes over.

cutthemdown
03-14-2011, 07:28 PM
It's because the Japanese are very Nationalistic. They will not turn on each other. It's the reason a small island is one of the most powerful economic countries, and used to be one of the most powerful military countries.

When people pull together and unite behind a culture they can be hard to stop. Remember that when dealing with Muslim Radicals who use religion and not state to achieve the same goal.

~Crash~
03-14-2011, 07:41 PM
Perhaps because they have had to deal with millions of people living in a cramped area and have "banded" together to form a single unit as opposed to our country where it's "everyone for themselves" attitude, lone exception being the Native American Indians who only took what they needed. A disaster hits here and the store cuts it's prices in Half? Ya right, when hell freezes over.

Pretty good take but Indians did steal all the time.. and also war on other tribes all the time..horses were stolen all the time

Archer81
03-14-2011, 07:43 PM
It's because the Japanese are very Nationalistic. They will not turn on each other. It's the reason a small island is one of the most powerful economic countries, and used to be one of the most powerful military countries.

When people pull together and unite behind a culture they can be hard to stop. Remember that when dealing with Muslim Radicals who use religion and not state to achieve the same goal.


There isnt a difference. To a radical muslim its near blasphemy for men to rule themselves without divine mandate in the form of a caliph. Islam is the state, a tool of allah to rule the lives of men.

:Broncos:

~Crash~
03-14-2011, 07:45 PM
All of you idiots cracking jokes really make me sick.


Probably the same ass hats that want players hurt. Hell we got people that want ex broncos hurt. Small minds

WABronco
03-14-2011, 07:57 PM
All of you idiots cracking jokes really make me sick.

All the 'tards referencing Pearl Harbor make me laugh. Like that dumb WNBA chick who not only pulled the "Pearl Harbor Karma" thing but dropped a "wrath of god" in there as well. Read a book, you ignorant ****s.

Archer81
03-14-2011, 08:02 PM
All the 'tards referencing Pearl Harbor make me laugh. Like that dumb WNBA chick who not only pulled the "Pearl Harbor Karma" thing but dropped a "wrath of god" in there as well. Read a book, you ignorant ****s.


I would say that any karma Japan earned in a negative light more than manifested itself at Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

This is just a horrific earthquake and tsunami. Just like in Indonesia or Haiti. They just happen.

:Broncos:

WABronco
03-14-2011, 08:06 PM
I would say that any karma Japan earned in a negative light more than manifested itself at Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

This is just a horrific earthquake and tsunami. Just like in Indonesia or Haiti. They just happen.

:Broncos:

Well that and the firebombing that laid waste to their paper cities and burned people to a crisp.

I'm in a potential Tsunami area...what are they gonna say about WA when we get submerged.

baja
03-14-2011, 08:20 PM
Hey Cut you need to change the OP. It's now being called a 9.0 quake

Cito Pelon
03-14-2011, 08:22 PM
Perhaps because they have had to deal with millions of people living in a cramped area and have "banded" together to form a single unit as opposed to our country where it's "everyone for themselves" attitude, lone exception being the Native American Indians who only took what they needed. A disaster hits here and the store cuts it's prices in Half? Ya right, when hell freezes over.

With all due respect to Native Americans, their culture was pretty much "raid and steal from the neighboring tribe". That's how most cultures are, actually.

Cito Pelon
03-14-2011, 08:24 PM
Well that and the firebombing that laid waste to their paper cities and burned people to a crisp.

I'm in a potential Tsunami area...what are they gonna say about WA when we get submerged.

Probably, "Widespread looting has been reported."

AZorange1
03-14-2011, 08:31 PM
With all due respect to Native Americans, their culture was pretty much "raid and steal from the neighboring tribe". That's how most cultures are, actually.

I would prefer that you use the word "borrowed" from other tribes. It has a much nicer ring to it. And in place of "raid", use "they went to visit" (and borrow)

Cito Pelon
03-14-2011, 08:57 PM
I would prefer that you use the word "borrowed" from other tribes. It has a much nicer ring to it. And in place of "raid", use "they went to visit" (and borrow)

Kind of a "Co-Prosperity Sphere"? :wiggle:

ghwk
03-14-2011, 09:13 PM
I would say that any karma Japan earned in a negative light more than manifested itself at Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

This is just a horrific earthquake and tsunami. Just like in Indonesia or Haiti. They just happen.

:Broncos:

Has anyone blamed it on the gays yet? Seriously there must be at least one evangelical waiting to fire this one off.

NUB
03-14-2011, 10:25 PM
Has anyone blamed it on the gays yet? Seriously there must be at least one evangelical waiting to fire this one off.

They're too busy. All the altar boys are out for Spring Break.

ghwk
03-14-2011, 10:38 PM
Excellent read, thanks for posting it:notworthy

Methinks the author may have spoken too soon now that they want a 30 mile evacuation area.

mhgaffney
03-14-2011, 11:25 PM
Tomorrow morning will tell the tale.

cutthemdown
03-15-2011, 01:02 AM
They have got to get it done Gaff. I just don't think a lot of people realize people probably going to have to expose themselves to radiation, maybe lethal levels, to get this thing sealed.

I actually think nuclear power could be worth it. But we have to understand the lengths we will have to go to for it to be contained in the even of a disaster.

It could be really bad for all the nuclear plans in the pipeline. Congress may shut them down "study it" and we know what that will mean. it will mean millions in investments out the door.

Arkie
03-15-2011, 11:42 AM
Chernobyl, after 25 years, still has a lot of problems to deal with today.

Chernobyl after the disaster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_after_the_disaster)
The Chernobyl reactor is now enclosed in a large concrete sarcophagus, which was built quickly to allow continuing operation of the other reactors at the plant. A New Safe Confinement was to have been built by the end of 2005; however, it has suffered ongoing delays and is currently expected to be completed in 2012.

mhgaffney
03-15-2011, 11:49 AM
The mods just demonstrated -- again -- what cowards they are.

They just moved the other thread about the Japanese disaster to the political forum -- why?

Apparently the mods can't handle a real debate. They have to insulate the fan base from reality -- to maintain the necessary illusions --

sad. but this is the state of affairs in the world --

bronco militia
03-15-2011, 11:58 AM
The mods just demonstrated -- again -- what cowards they are.

They just moved the other thread about the Japanese disaster to the political forum -- why?

Apparently the mods can't handle a real debate. They have to insulate the fan base from reality -- to maintain the necessary illusions --

sad. but this is the state of affairs in the world --

LOL

thanks again to the Orange Mane overlords!!!!

bendog
03-15-2011, 12:19 PM
Well it was a stupid thread, but then baja's started his own too.

And not to make light of the situation, but I watched a video of an interview with a guy named Micahel Auslin, who made the unfortuante gaff of going on about how the tusami wiped out the grid and the roads to the plants, and in some cases washed away the back up generators themselves, and at some pt in time people will have to wonder about building nuke plants by the sea "but that's water under the bridge right now.":o

mhgaffney
03-15-2011, 12:21 PM
LOL

thanks again to the Orange Mane overlords!!!!

Praise to the Foooobal gods.

Meanwhile, back on planet earth...this spokesman for the Union of Concerned Scientists says the situation is dire.

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TheReverend
03-15-2011, 12:29 PM
The mods just demonstrated -- again -- what cowards they are.

They just moved the other thread about the Japanese disaster to the political forum -- why?

Apparently the mods can't handle a real debate. They have to insulate the fan base from reality -- to maintain the necessary illusions --

sad. but this is the state of affairs in the world --

Think I found the reason!

mhgaffney
03-15-2011, 12:33 PM
Well it was a stupid thread, but then baja's started his own too.

And not to make light of the situation, but I watched a video of an interview with a guy named Micahel Auslin, who made the unfortuante gaff of going on about how the tusami wiped out the grid and the roads to the plants, and in some cases washed away the back up generators themselves, and at some pt in time people will have to wonder about building nuke plants by the sea "but that's water under the bridge right now.":o

They built them by the sea to have access to cold seawater -- because you have to cool reactors constantly.

It was still a bad choice-- but there was a reason.

Boobs McGee
03-15-2011, 12:41 PM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42077764/ns/today-entertainment/

Gilbert Godfries dumb ass just got fired from his quacking Aflac gig...made some incredibly insensitive tweets about the situatin over there. What a clown. Nicely done Aflac

bendog
03-15-2011, 12:42 PM
They built them by the sea to have access to cold seawater -- because you have to cool reactors constantly.

It was still a bad choice-- but there was a reason.

I knew that, but then that wasn't the substance of the post, but thanks.

Rohirrim
03-15-2011, 01:00 PM
I was just watching one geologist who specializes in earthquakes noting the cluster of quakes in the last couple of years. The SE side of the Pacific plate had a huge quake (Java/Sumatra). The SW had one in Chile. The South had a good one in New Zealand. The E has had one in China, and now, Japan. About the only piece of the Pacific Plate that hasn't cracked is the WNW - California.

Tombstone RJ
03-15-2011, 01:14 PM
I was just watching one geologist who specializes in earthquakes noting the cluster of quakes in the last couple of years. The SE side of the Pacific plate had a huge quake (Java/Sumatra). The SW had one in Chile. The South had a good one in New Zealand. The E has had one in China, and now, Japan. About the only piece of the Pacific Plate that hasn't cracked is the WNW - California.

not good.

NUB
03-15-2011, 03:20 PM
I was just watching one geologist who specializes in earthquakes noting the cluster of quakes in the last couple of years. The SE side of the Pacific plate had a huge quake (Java/Sumatra). The SW had one in Chile. The South had a good one in New Zealand. The E has had one in China, and now, Japan. About the only piece of the Pacific Plate that hasn't cracked is the WNW - California.

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TailgateNut
03-15-2011, 03:49 PM
The mods just demonstrated -- again -- what cowards they are.

They just moved the other thread about the Japanese disaster to the political forum -- why?

Apparently the mods can't handle a real debate. They have to insulate the fan base from reality -- to maintain the necessary illusions --

sad. but this is the state of affairs in the world --


Are you not getting sufficient exposure?







Whiney ass bitch!

TailgateNut
03-15-2011, 03:51 PM
I was just watching one geologist who specializes in earthquakes noting the cluster of quakes in the last couple of years. The SE side of the Pacific plate had a huge quake (Java/Sumatra). The SW had one in Chile. The South had a good one in New Zealand. The E has had one in China, and now, Japan. About the only piece of the Pacific Plate that hasn't cracked is the WNW - California.


YEP!

The "ring" isn't done yet. Alaska is also on the clock, IMO!

cutthemdown
03-15-2011, 05:07 PM
You have to understand that in Japan they have unique tectonics there. It will never be a prelude to anything along the San Andreus or even Alaska IMO. The have 3 subduction zones all right off there island. They have had more 7 plus earthquakes then any other region.

mhgaffney
03-15-2011, 05:44 PM
You have to understand that in Japan they have unique tectonics there. It will never be a prelude to anything along the San Andreus or even Alaska IMO. The have 3 subduction zones all right off there island. They have had more 7 plus earthquakes then any other region.

It is not only Japan. You forget the big 9.0 quake in Chile last year -- and the big one in NZ, last month that leveled Christchurch.

Jim Berkland has cautioned that we are now at high risk on the W Coast -- and will be for the next couple of weeks. Due to exceptionally high tides and the so called super moon. On March 19th, the full moon will come the closest to earth in 20 years.

Berkland has not predicted a quake -- but he notes a strange report that earthworms are coming out of the soil in Washington state. Evidently, cats and other animals sense a coming quake, before hand. Many times, large numbers of whales or fish beach themselves just before a big one.

OBF1
03-15-2011, 05:52 PM
RUN FOR THE MOUNTAINS..... the earth is coming to an end. Being worried about earthquakes living in California is like living in Colorado and being worried about a blizzard. It comes with the territory. If you do not like it, Just freekin move and quit whining about it.


PS: Last time I checked, Godzilla never destroyed Los Angeles, so nothing to worry about

broncolife
03-15-2011, 06:21 PM
Berklands interview on fox.

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/4584933/a-major-earthquake-in-north-america-imminent

cutthemdown
03-15-2011, 06:25 PM
It is not only Japan. You forget the big 9.0 quake in Chile last year -- and the big one in NZ, last month that leveled Christchurch.

Jim Berkland has cautioned that we are now at high risk on the W Coast -- and will be for the next couple of weeks. Due to exceptionally high tides and the so called super moon. On March 19th, the full moon will come the closest to earth in 20 years.

Berkland has not predicted a quake -- but he notes a strange report that earthworms are coming out of the soil in Washington state. Evidently, cats and other animals sense a coming quake, before hand. Many times, large numbers of whales or fish beach themselves just before a big one.

The Moon isn't close enough to make a huge difference. That is astrology BS according to my Dads friends who are engineers that sent things into space. They all worked at JPL and have masters degrees. The work with people that have astro physics degrees so I will take there word for it.

The amount of earthquakes is not proven to be higher due to what you are talking about.

cutthemdown
03-15-2011, 06:34 PM
If you rely on unproven theories to decide when to be afraid of an Earthquake you are wasting your time. The point is to be prepared every day. Which I am not, and need to get done.

TailgateNut
03-15-2011, 11:28 PM
RUN FOR THE MOUNTAINS..... the earth is coming to an end. Being worried about earthquakes living in California is like living in Colorado and being worried about a blizzard. It comes with the territory. If you do not like it, Just freekin move and quit whining about it.


PS: Last time I checked, Godzilla never destroyed Los Angeles, so nothing to worry about


The difference being that after an earthquake people are wishing they had a snowcone, and after a blizzard you can make all the snowcones you could possibly want.:yayaya:

Boobs McGee
03-15-2011, 11:43 PM
I suddenly have uneasy feelings about cali. Most of my family, and a lot of friends (and a bunch of you awesome maners!) are scattered throughout the southern part of the state. I really hope this is just a natural reaction to all of the quakes...a tragedy like that would be absolutely horrific on the west coast. Hope all you guys stay safe out there!!!

mhgaffney
03-15-2011, 11:47 PM
The Moon isn't close enough to make a huge difference. That is astrology BS according to my Dads friends who are engineers that sent things into space. They all worked at JPL and have masters degrees. The work with people that have astro physics degrees so I will take there word for it.

The amount of earthquakes is not proven to be higher due to what you are talking about.

Many of the big quakes coincide with a full moon -- so the moon's gravity does appear to be significant.

mhgaffney
03-15-2011, 11:51 PM
The latest report from Japan is not good. The disaster is now being rated as a 6 out of worst case 7. Because the quake and tsunami destroyed roads -- they can't even get fire trucks in to fight the fires.

Workers briefly abandon Japan nuclear plant as crisis worsens

15:20 JST March 16:

Workers were ordered to withdraw briefly from a stricken Japanese nuclear power plant on Wednesday after radiation levels surged, Kyodo news reported, a development that suggested the crisis was spiraling out of control. Just hours earlier another fire broke out at the earthquake-crippled plant, which has sent low levels of radiation wafting into Tokyo in the past 24 hours, triggering both fear in the capital and international alarm.

France urged its nationals either to leave Japan or head to the south and asked Air France to provide planes for evacuation. In a statement, the French embassy in Tokyo said two planes were already on their way to the capital. Academics and nuclear experts said the solutions being proposed to quell radiation leaks at the Daiichi nuclear plant in ***ushima were last-ditch efforts to stem what could well be remembered as one of the world's worst industrial disasters.

"This is a slow-moving nightmare," said Dr Thomas Neff, a research affiliate at the Center for International Studies, which is part of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Workers were trying to build a road so fire trucks could reach the stricken reactor No. 4 which was on fire on Wednesday.


http://newsonjapan.com/html/newsdesk/article/88026.php

cutthemdown
03-15-2011, 11:54 PM
Many of the big quakes coincide with a full moon -- so the moon's gravity does appear to be significant.

I've done some reading and it doesn't seem like mainstream siesmoligists agree with you.

I'm open minded though.

missingnumber7
03-16-2011, 06:27 AM
I've done some reading and it doesn't seem like mainstream siesmoligists agree with you.

I'm open minded though.

There were several scientists that were on CNN, FOX News and MSNBC over the weekend and that questions was asked and one of them even laughed. Said if it happened that way it was purely coincidence.

Tombstone RJ
03-16-2011, 08:20 AM
The latest report from Japan is not good. The disaster is now being rated as a 6 out of worst case 7. Because the quake and tsunami destroyed roads -- they can't even get fire trucks in to fight the fires.

Workers briefly abandon Japan nuclear plant as crisis worsens

15:20 JST March 16:

Workers were ordered to withdraw briefly from a stricken Japanese nuclear power plant on Wednesday after radiation levels surged, Kyodo news reported, a development that suggested the crisis was spiraling out of control. Just hours earlier another fire broke out at the earthquake-crippled plant, which has sent low levels of radiation wafting into Tokyo in the past 24 hours, triggering both fear in the capital and international alarm.

France urged its nationals either to leave Japan or head to the south and asked Air France to provide planes for evacuation. In a statement, the French embassy in Tokyo said two planes were already on their way to the capital. Academics and nuclear experts said the solutions being proposed to quell radiation leaks at the Daiichi nuclear plant in ***ushima were last-ditch efforts to stem what could well be remembered as one of the world's worst industrial disasters.

"This is a slow-moving nightmare," said Dr Thomas Neff, a research affiliate at the Center for International Studies, which is part of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Workers were trying to build a road so fire trucks could reach the stricken reactor No. 4 which was on fire on Wednesday.


http://newsonjapan.com/html/newsdesk/article/88026.php

the french, always the first to give up and run and hide..

TailgateNut
03-16-2011, 10:34 AM
Many of the big quakes coincide with a full moon -- so the moon's gravity does appear to be significant.

Oy ****ing Vey!

bendog
03-16-2011, 11:10 AM
the french, always the first to give up and run and hide..

If I was there, I'd want to be leaving yesterday.

Chris
03-16-2011, 11:14 AM
the french, always the first to give up and run and hide..

They really gave up when they singlehandedly enabled a bunch of rebels to defeat the greatest army in the world at the time.

bendog
03-16-2011, 11:33 AM
But they're pushing for a no fly zone in Libya!

baja
03-16-2011, 12:09 PM
Many of the big quakes coincide with a full moon -- so the moon's gravity does appear to be significant.


http://www.3news.co.nz/Portals/0-Articles/202642/kenring2book.jpg?width=300

By Dan Satherley
Ken Ring – genius ahead of his time or a complete fraud?
Since his claim he predicted the September and February Canterbury quakes ahead of time, and his warning of a quake "for the history books" on March 20, it's been a question on the nation's lips.
He's become a household name in New Zealand. To some, Mr Ring is a prophet, a man whose ideas have been shunned by the establishment like those of Galileo. But to others – as TV3's own John Campbell vividly illustrated – he's a dangerous fool, a charlatan barely a step removed from astrologists and telephone psychics, instilling unwarranted fear into the poor folk of Christchurch.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Ken-Ring-Can-he-actually-predict-earthquakes/tabid/1160/articleID/202642/Default.aspx

sakuraba
03-16-2011, 12:19 PM
28200

why is everybody talking about nuclear reactors? This is the real threat we should be worried about.

Inkana7
03-16-2011, 01:25 PM
Ugh.

HURF DURF GOEDZILA JOEKS

TailgateNut
03-16-2011, 01:41 PM
Ugh.

HURF DURF GOEDZILA JOEKS

Have another drink, ya moron!

gunns
03-16-2011, 01:45 PM
They have got to get it done Gaff. I just don't think a lot of people realize people probably going to have to expose themselves to radiation, maybe lethal levels, to get this thing sealed.

I actually think nuclear power could be worth it. But we have to understand the lengths we will have to go to for it to be contained in the even of a disaster.

It could be really bad for all the nuclear plans in the pipeline. Congress may shut them down "study it" and we know what that will mean. it will mean millions in investments out the door.

I love the guy here that wants to start building a nuclear reactor within the next 5 years. Pure comedy. First he states he's going to put the reactor in the state in an area that is less "seismic". And where is that? Second, we don't have to worry about what happened in Japan because we don't have tsunami's here. Uh didn't Japan have an EARTHQUAKE. Anything for a buck.

Rohirrim
03-16-2011, 02:52 PM
Now it's snowing on them. The rescuers can't see where they are stepping or where to look. If I believed in karma...

cutthemdown
03-16-2011, 02:56 PM
I love the guy here that wants to start building a nuclear reactor within the next 5 years. Pure comedy. First he states he's going to put the reactor in the state in an area that is less "seismic". And where is that? Second, we don't have to worry about what happened in Japan because we don't have tsunami's here. Uh didn't Japan have an EARTHQUAKE. Anything for a buck.

Obama's energy sec, and all of his admin are on record as saying this doesn't stop the plants we are building right now or any of our plans already in motion. Way too much money invested and it's one of the ways our govt was trying to make more energy.

We don't give up on it, we get better and learn. Besides it looks like they are containing it. I bet they win soon.

lostknight
03-16-2011, 03:31 PM
It's well past time to replace old active-safety systems with new reactors, and passive containment. Think of it as the difference between having a CPU that can cool itself, and a CPU that needs water cooling. Sooner or later your cooling is going to fail.

Brave New Climate is following this story closely, and they actually are starting to switch to being optimistic this morning.

Durango
03-16-2011, 04:06 PM
Obama's energy sec, and all of his admin are on record as saying this doesn't stop the plants we are building right now or any of our plans already in motion. Way too much money invested and it's one of the ways our govt was trying to make more energy.

We don't give up on it, we get better and learn. Besides it looks like they are containing it. I bet they win soon.

Completely agree. The need for energy is just going to grow while the fossil fuels will continue to deplete and become prohibitively expensive. The truth is that we just don't have a choice. We have to find alternative energies, including further development of nuclear, because the green energies are just not technologically advanced enough right now to provide for the need, and there's no present indication these solar panels, wind and/or water/thermal energy generators will ever be capable of supplying anything even remotely close to 100% of the US need.

Natural gas has been thrust out there as a kind of fossil fuel bridge between our addiction to oil and the greener self sufficiency, and that's not a bad idea given our abundance of resources, but I'm not sure the green technology will ever be capable of supplying anywhere close to 100% of our current need.

Boomhauer
03-16-2011, 05:20 PM
Many of the big quakes coincide with a full moon -- so the moon's gravity does appear to be significant.
...
There were several scientists that were on CNN, FOX News and MSNBC over the weekend and that questions was asked and one of them even laughed. Said if it happened that way it was purely coincidence.

Oddly, earthquakes and births spike every full moon. There's no scientific explination for this so it's considered a statistical coincidence. But that doesn't mean a relation doesn't exist and disregarding or even laughing at the idea shows ignorance to scientific method and pursuit as much as physicsts describing known unknowns as 'dark' matter and energy like it's a known.

baja
03-16-2011, 05:47 PM
Now it's snowing on them. The rescuers can't see where they are stepping or where to look. If I believed in karma...

Karma for what?

cutthemdown
03-16-2011, 06:00 PM
China just suspended work on all new nuclear power plants according to a press release. Our atomic energy experts are now saying they think much more radiation coming out then Japanese admit.

They better get those pumps back on and fast.

To be be honest I could see me supporting nuclear, but then also understanding people not wanting to live by them.

Let's build them in Mexico and trunk the energy in. :)

cutthemdown
03-16-2011, 06:03 PM
Karma for what?

Rape of Nanking, Pearl Harbor surprise attack, Battan death march, the way they didn't follow any international rules of war. There is plenty to hold against Japan.

But that is why we dropped the bomb. As far as I am concerned we have to be able with enemies at some point to say ok you got what you had coming, not let's see if you learned from it.

IMO Japan did learn from it, turned there country around, rebuilt it, and got democracy, become an important cog in the world economy.

No reason to hate on them or say they deserve this unless you actually got raped in nanking.

cutthemdown
03-16-2011, 06:04 PM
And don't give me they hunt whales. We kill tons of animals whales included. It's been known for a long time our sonar and underwater naval activity hurts the whales.

cutthemdown
03-16-2011, 06:05 PM
Actually they don't spike. People say that but then haven't really done enough to prove it.