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listopencil
03-10-2011, 11:12 AM
As a small digression, it's worth pointing out that in order to run these types of blitzes, having fast linebackers and penetrating linemen is a must. I think this bodes quite well for Wesley Woodyard, who seems to be exactly the type of linebacker that would fit well in this scheme. In addition, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the Broncos decided to select linebacker Von Miller out of Texas A&M at #2. Teaming Miller with DJ Williams (not my favorite, but still an above average linebacker in space) and Woodyard would immediately provide a linebacking corps that could execute the type of play we've seen here. Stopping the run could still be an issue, but we'll leave that subject for next week.

This is the last paragraph of the article, posted here:

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/the-playbook-abides-living-here-in-allentown-disguised-overload-blitz

meangene
03-10-2011, 11:29 AM
Love those "fat man" articles! I would not be at all surprised if we end up with Miller at #2 and a LB group of Woodyard, Williams and Miller. I don't know that Peterson is a great fit for our defense since he is really much better in man than zone. Fairley's skills seem like a better fit than Dareus' skills also. Not saying, necessarily, that Miller or Fairley are better players - just better fits. With Fairley's character issues, Miller would seem to be the guy. Just a hunch.

misturanderson
03-10-2011, 11:31 AM
I'm warming to the idea of picking Miller up, but I would be pissed if they do it with the #2 pick. An SLB just isn't worth that high of a pick and I really don't like the idea of picking a guy at #2 to change his position from a DE to a 4-3 SAM. If they trade down and Dareus, PP, Bowers and Fairley are gone when they pick then I'd be excited about having Miller on the team. I just don't think he is as elite a prospect at as important a position as the other guys I listed.

listopencil
03-10-2011, 11:33 AM
I know, I'm not all that excited about grabbing an OLB in a 4-3 with the #2 overall pick.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-10-2011, 12:03 PM
I know, I'm not all that excited about grabbing an OLB in a 4-3 with the #2 overall pick.

but you're not thinking outside the box. He's not going to be used in the general role of 4-3 weakside. Youre gonna see him put a hand down and rush the passer...it would be an expanded role

meangene
03-10-2011, 01:29 PM
but you're not thinking outside the box. He's not going to be used in the general role of 4-3 weakside. Youre gonna see him put a hand down and rush the passer...it would be an expanded role

This. And, according to an interview I saw with him, he dropped 40% of the time last year and more the year before. So, he has more experience in coverage than many realize.

NFLBRONCO
03-10-2011, 01:39 PM
At 2 yuck trade down first please if true

meangene
03-10-2011, 01:44 PM
Miller had a nice pro day:


Notebook: A&M's Miller reinforces top-five status
NFLDraftScout.com
March 9, 2011

Texas A&M

Von Miller didn't need to run the 40-yard dash. NFLDraftScout.com's No. 2-ranked prospect -- behind LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson -- had done enough at the combine to support his outstanding career at Texas A&M and solidify his status as a likely top-five pick.

But run he did. Miller posted a 4.49 40-yard dash at his indoor workout on FieldTurf at the Texas A&M practice facility in College Station. Miller had clocked times on handheld stopwatches ranging from 4.42 to 4.54 at the combine.

That puts him in an elite class of linebackers that includes former first-round picks such as Patrick Willis and Brian Urlacher. Urlacher was clocked in 4.57 seconds at his private workout with the Bears. Willis ran 4.51 at the combine and was hand-timed at 4.37 at his pro day...

Given the premium placed on pass rushers and his productive 2009 season -- nation-leading 17 sacks -- Miller could skyrocket up the board. He's experienced in a 3-4 outside linebacker role as a "Joker" for the Aggies, playing a hybrid defensive end/outside linebacker role.

The Panthers, Broncos, Bills, Bengals, Cardinals, Browns, 49ers, Titans and Cowboys -- the first nine teams, in order of selection, in the 2011 draft -- could easily find a starring role for Miller immediately. Several of those teams were represented at Wednesday's workout.

bendog
03-10-2011, 01:46 PM
At 2 yuck trade down first please if true

I don't track. What's changed beyond not having to pay the two pick as much as he'd have gotten w/o a scale? If they have a shot at their top rated defender, why not take it.

If they have several guys rated evenly, OR if someone offers the house for Cam, then I see trading down.

Tombstone RJ
03-10-2011, 04:05 PM
I'm not thrilled with taking a LBer at #2 not named Lawrence Taylor... I'd prefer the Broncos take Dareus or Peterson.

oubronco
03-10-2011, 04:08 PM
Stopping the run could still be an issue


That's all we need to hear, just say no to Miller and Yes to Dareus

SonOfLe-loLang
03-10-2011, 04:20 PM
I'm not thrilled with taking a LBer at #2 not named Lawrence Taylor... I'd prefer the Broncos take Dareus or Peterson.

Your logic is odd. Why dont you want to take a LB but are more than fine with taking a corner.

LonghornBronco
03-10-2011, 04:26 PM
Does anyone know if we were at the pro day?

TheReverend
03-10-2011, 04:54 PM
Love those "fat man" articles! I would not be at all surprised if we end up with Miller at #2 and a LB group of Woodyard, Williams and Miller. I don't know that Peterson is a great fit for our defense since he is really much better in man than zone. Fairley's skills seem like a better fit than Dareus' skills also. Not saying, necessarily, that Miller or Fairley are better players - just better fits. With Fairley's character issues, Miller would seem to be the guy. Just a hunch.

One of his best skills is playing with the ball in his hands. He'll get a LOT more of those opportunities reading the QB in zones.

missingnumber7
03-10-2011, 04:56 PM
I love how everyone forgets how Joe Mays learned the 3-4 in a very short time and became the starter over Woodyard. Mays is going to figure in the MLB situation this year. I our holes at OLB are much bigger than the problems we are looking at with MLB considering that DJ could play there if we have to have it and Mays is a prototypical 4-3 MLB.

meangene
03-10-2011, 05:03 PM
One of his best skills is playing with the ball in his hands. He'll get a LOT more of those opportunities reading the QB in zones.

If he gets better in zone coverage. I'll tell you what really bothered me about Peterson is that he mailed it in for the bowl game against Texas A&M. He looked totally uninterested, made no attempt to get off blocks and got beaten one on one by Jeff Fuller a lot. Now, I know that doesn't offset a great body of work by Peterson, but it really bothers me in terms of the guy's competitiveness.

TheReverend
03-10-2011, 05:13 PM
If he gets better in zone coverage. I'll tell you what really bothered me about Peterson is that he mailed it in for the bowl game against Texas A&M. He looked totally uninterested, made no attempt to get off blocks and got beaten one on one by Jeff Fuller a lot. Now, I know that doesn't offset a great body of work by Peterson, but it really bothers me in terms of the guy's competitiveness.

...he doesn't have any issues with zone coverage...

Bronco Boy
03-10-2011, 05:15 PM
I love how everyone forgets how Joe Mays learned the 3-4 in a very short time and became the starter over Woodyard. Mays is going to figure in the MLB situation this year. I our holes at OLB are much bigger than the problems we are looking at with MLB considering that DJ could play there if we have to have it and Mays is a prototypical 4-3 MLB.

May's was pretty horrible in Philly's 4-3 if I remember correctly.

meangene
03-10-2011, 05:18 PM
...he doesn't have any issues with zone coverage...

I think he is much better in man and that is why I wonder if he is a good fit for us at #2 overall if we are going to play primarily zone. I don't disagree that he is an elite prospect and, clearly, the best DB in the draft.

rugbythug
03-10-2011, 05:33 PM
I'm not thrilled with taking a LBer at #2 not named Lawrence Taylor... I'd prefer the Broncos take Dareus or Peterson.

Think derrick thomas

rugbythug
03-10-2011, 05:35 PM
At 2 yuck trade down first please if true

He will go top 5 for sure. Pretty hard to trade back and get him for sure fairly is more of trade back target

Tombstone RJ
03-11-2011, 08:16 AM
Your logic is odd. Why dont you want to take a LB but are more than fine with taking a corner.

LBer is an easier position to fill, they are kinda like the RBs on offense; you can find good ones in the later rounds. Not so much with CBs and DTs, at least when it comes to elite talent.

I'm all for bringing in a game changing defensive player, but I'm not so sure Von Miller is that kind of a player. Maybe he is. It's up to Xanders, Fox and Elway to make the right decision. If they take VM at #2, it means they think he's the most impactful defensive player available.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-11-2011, 08:18 AM
LBer is an easier position to fill, they are kinda like the RBs on offense; you can find good ones in the later rounds. Not so much with CBs and DTs, at least when it comes to elite talent.

I dont disagree with you there, but he can also get after the passer. Lets say Miller can come in and get 10 sacks from that position (i assume he'd also play with his hand down on third down) and also play sideline to sideline...wouldnt you think thats worth it?

TheReverend
03-11-2011, 08:27 AM
I dont disagree with you there, but he can also get after the passer. Lets say Miller can come in and get 10 sacks from that position (i assume he'd also play with his hand down on third down) and also play sideline to sideline...wouldnt you think thats worth it?

I think his pass rush off the edge is too valuable to put him anywhere other than a pass rushing position.

misturanderson
03-11-2011, 09:30 AM
I think his pass rush off the edge is too valuable to put him anywhere other than a pass rushing position.

Then there is no possible reason for a 4-3 team to take him before #10. He is way, way too small to play DE in an NFL 4-3 and still hold up against the run.

missingnumber7
03-11-2011, 09:43 AM
May's was pretty horrible in Philly's 4-3 if I remember correctly.

He was played behind veterans and never really was given a chance. When he got a chance his second year he didn't have a great season and wasn't ready to be the guy. He has matured and become a more dependable MLB and doesn't guess gaps and has the size and speed to be the thumper in a 4-3. In philly he was more of a ST guy anyway.

NFLBRONCO
03-11-2011, 09:53 AM
He will go top 5 for sure. Pretty hard to trade back and get him for sure fairly is more of trade back target

This is true

I think by the time the draft rolls around 2 QB's will go top 5 esp if one goes #1. So two of the top guys will fall.

listopencil
03-11-2011, 10:55 PM
Your logic is odd. Why dont you want to take a LB but are more than fine with taking a corner.

The value isn't there at #2 for a 4-3 OLB. If he played four years at Mike and excelled I'd be warming up to the idea. Not enthusiastic, but warming up to it.

listopencil
04-28-2011, 07:38 PM
Deserves a bump.

Tombstone RJ
04-28-2011, 07:41 PM
nice..

Drek
04-28-2011, 07:45 PM
It's an interesting approach. But ultimately to make it work we now need the big DT needed to let these fast LBs run free.

Does seem like Woodyard, DJ, and Miller is the LB trio that fits Fox and Allen each the best. Both like active, athletic LBs. Haggan and Mays don't fit the description.