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epicSocialism4tw
03-08-2011, 11:11 PM
Take it for what its worth, but thats what Todd McShay said about Nick Fairley after this afternoon's workout.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6195049

There's Cam Newton stuff in there too.

Taco John
03-08-2011, 11:12 PM
Man I hope we land this guy. I think Fairley and Dumervil would be an amazing combo, especially on third downs.

epicSocialism4tw
03-08-2011, 11:16 PM
Man I hope we land this guy. I think Fairley and Dumervil would be an amazing combo, especially on third downs.

Fairley's a bulldog. I wouldnt mind it at all if he wore Broncos orange.

OABB
03-08-2011, 11:18 PM
I was impressed with fairley too. His lower body is so strong. Just watch the tape of him head stomping defensless players and you will see great body lean. He is definitely not a waist bender.

schaaf
03-08-2011, 11:21 PM
while it was probably good, it was from McShay so I really don't know what to think

OBF1
03-08-2011, 11:21 PM
Exact quote is:

"Nick Fairly, he only did position drills, but it was ONE of the best DL worksouts I have ever seen. He has locked down a top 10 draft position possible going 1,2 or 3 or as far down as #8 to Tennessee".

epicSocialism4tw
03-08-2011, 11:25 PM
Exact quote is:

"Nick Fairly, he only did position drills, but it was ONE of the best DL worksouts I have ever seen. He has locked down a top 10 draft position possible going 1,2 or 3 or as far down as #8 to Tennessee".

Thanks for the correction.

epicSocialism4tw
03-08-2011, 11:28 PM
Watch Fairley's feet. Those are sweet feet, folks. They're lightning fast for a DT. No wonder he beat everybody off of the line.

He beefed up to 297.

What do you guys think he'll play at? 310? 315? He'll naturally gain girth over the next couple of years.

footstepsfrom#27
03-09-2011, 12:08 AM
I still want to know how a guy nearly 300 pounds only puts up 22 reps on the bench. He's either not working in the weight room like he ought to, or he's got less upper body strength than you want from an interior lineman. This is the ultimate boom/bust player in this draft IMO, mainly because he's going so high.

footstepsfrom#27
03-09-2011, 12:10 AM
Watch Fairley's feet. Those are sweet feet, folks. They're lightning fast for a DT. No wonder he beat everybody off of the line.

He beefed up to 297.

What do you guys think he'll play at? 310? 315? He'll naturally gain girth over the next couple of years.
Question is...has he added it as muscle or fat? He looked out of shape earlier, so now I'm wondering.

epicSocialism4tw
03-09-2011, 12:12 AM
Question is...has he added it as muscle or fat? He looked out of shape earlier, so now I'm wondering.

The combine was what...a few weeks ago?

The odds are pretty good that he wouldnt put on 6 pounds of muscle over that time. Thats alot of muscle.

He probably ate 12 "The Bomb" burritos from 7-11 on his way to the workout.

footstepsfrom#27
03-09-2011, 12:14 AM
The combine was what...a few weeks ago?

The odds are pretty good that he wouldnt put on 6 pounds of muscle over that time. Thats alot of muscle.

He probably ate 12 "The Bomb" burritos from 7-11 on his way to the workout.
Maybe he stopped by Shonies Big Boy all you can eat for breakfast and returned for lunch.

maven
03-09-2011, 12:16 AM
That is a big ass and thighs on Fairley.

epicSocialism4tw
03-09-2011, 12:18 AM
That is a big ass and thighs on Fairley.

I have always thought that it was funny that scouts say that thats what they look for in offensive and defensive linemen.

They like that bump in the trunk.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-09-2011, 12:18 AM
The combine was what...a few weeks ago?

The odds are pretty good that he wouldnt put on 6 pounds of muscle over that time. Thats alot of muscle.

He probably ate 12 "The Bomb" burritos from 7-11 on his way to the workout.

you know you can weigh 7 pounds difference in a single day. They probably just weighed him at a diff time.

epicSocialism4tw
03-09-2011, 12:19 AM
you know you can weigh 7 pounds difference in a single day. They probably just weighed him at a diff time.

Especially if you're one of those hosses that eats everything in sight (linemen).

Vegas_Bronco
03-09-2011, 12:25 AM
I like his talent but boy he just is missing a few upstairs...scarry to see what $$$ does to kids like this. He was academically inelligible to attend Auburn as a sr in high school...we're talkin high school. Give that $$$$ and you never can tell where motivations move. Hope we get him a mentor and fast...reminds me of trevor pryce in looks and personality.

epicSocialism4tw
03-09-2011, 12:28 AM
I like his talent but boy he just is missing a few upstairs...scarry to see what $$$ does to kids like this. He was academically inelligible to attend Auburn as a sr in high school...we're talkin high school. Give that $$$$ and you never can tell where motivations move. Hope we get him a mentor and fast...reminds me of trevor pryce in looks and personality.

You know who he looks like to me?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8QQtI9r5GqU/TMY5A3KCEfI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/TEXFWI2QcHE/s1600/841854124_l.jpg

Biz Markie

epicSocialism4tw
03-09-2011, 12:29 AM
http://images.sneakernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/biz.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
03-09-2011, 12:30 AM
http://www.eurweb.com/images/articles/200803/biz_markie.jpg

BroncoMan4ever
03-09-2011, 12:33 AM
Fairley's a bulldog. I wouldnt mind it at all if he wore Broncos orange.

i just worry about him being that 1 game wonder player. not even 1 year wonder, he is getting all this hype from 1 game. also, the difference of is he just a nasty defender you would love to have on your team, or is he a dirty player.

i won't hate it if we got him, but i just am so much more sold on Dareus than i am on him.

epicSocialism4tw
03-09-2011, 12:35 AM
http://assets.espn.go.com/media/motion/2011/0111/dm_110110_ncf_nick_fairley.jpg

Bronco Boy
03-09-2011, 12:35 AM
Today I had one of the best club sandwiches I've ever had. One of...a couple hundred.

epicSocialism4tw
03-09-2011, 12:37 AM
i just worry about him being that 1 game wonder player. not even 1 year wonder, he is getting all this hype from 1 game. also, the difference of is he just a nasty defender you would love to have on your team, or is he a dirty player.

i won't hate it if we got him, but i just am so much more sold on Dareus than i am on him.

Among Dareus, Fairley, and Bowers, I really just hope that we pick one of them. Peterson wouldnt be the end of the world, but I just hope that the team finally sees the value in shoring up the defensive line with some real difference makers instead of retreads and fill-ins.

If this team goes to bat with Vickerson and another trash heap guy...it will be another long season.

epicSocialism4tw
03-09-2011, 12:40 AM
I really wouldnt mind if the Broncos traded back a couple of spots and picked up someone like Adrian Clayborne, Von Miller, JJ Watt, or Cameron Jordan.

I would rather see them take a DT though because its the obvious hole.

Shananahan
03-09-2011, 12:40 AM
i just worry about him being that 1 game wonder player. not even 1 year wonder, he is getting all this hype from 1 game.
What? This isn't true at all. He was consistently impressive all season long against some very good teams.

BroncoMan4ever
03-09-2011, 12:48 AM
Among Dareus, Fairley, and Bowers, I really just hope that we pick one of them. Peterson wouldnt be the end of the world, but I just hope that the team finally sees the value in shoring up the defensive line with some real difference makers instead of retreads and fill-ins.

If this team goes to bat with Vickerson and another trash heap guy...it will be another long season.

agreed!

this is why i have been so completely against drafting Peterson. if this DL was just an average NFL unit, i would say go get the best all around player in this draft which is Peterson and then with the two 2nd rounders make sure to address the DL. but that isn't the case, this DL is so bad and has been overlooked for so long that it would be a fail on an epic level to take anyone but Dareus or Fairley at 2

iforgotmypassword
03-09-2011, 12:49 AM
i just worry about him being that 1 game wonder player. not even 1 year wonder, he is getting all this hype from 1 game. also, the difference of is he just a nasty defender you would love to have on your team, or is he a dirty player.

i won't hate it if we got him, but i just am so much more sold on Dareus than i am on him.

Did you watch any other games?? He was a monster every play every game.

BroncoMan4ever
03-09-2011, 12:51 AM
What? This isn't true at all. He was consistently impressive all season long against some very good teams.

he played well. 1 game wonder isn't the best way to put his season. good season and then a monster game catapulted him up draft boards is how i meant that remark. i truly believe that a large majority of his hype and his rise up draft boards came from the MVP performance in the BCS championship game.

epicSocialism4tw
03-09-2011, 12:57 AM
agreed!

this is why i have been so completely against drafting Peterson. if this DL was just an average NFL unit, i would say go get the best all around player in this draft which is Peterson and then with the two 2nd rounders make sure to address the DL. but that isn't the case, this DL is so bad and has been overlooked for so long that it would be a fail on an epic level to take anyone but Dareus or Fairley at 2

Fairley would be a good selection because he's a rare pass rushing DT, and he's exceptional at it. He plays with alot of energy too, and rooks like that usually have a bit of an impact. Taco John was right when he said that it would be exciting to see Fairley and Dumervil along side each other on third down. You can forget Rivers having time to pick us apart anymore. Those are two high motor pass rushers. This is a passing league today too, so that would be a strength.

On the other hand, Dareus provides both run defense and pass rush. He looks like a guy who can hold his gap and push someone backward into the QB's face.

Bowers is another pass rush guy, but who can also set the edge in the run game and pursue.

All of those guys provide tremendous front 7 help. Front 7 help is what the Broncos need far more than they need anything else.

It would be nice to take BPA, and take a roll on Peterson if he actually is the BPA (Im not so sure on that...I think its just as well Bowers), but I dont think the Broncos have the money to invest the #2 pick in a corner after they just spent a bunch on Bailey. You have to balance out your money, and right now the Broncos are invested heavily in a great DB already. They have money in a pass rush DE, and a little in Ayers. The next investment should be in another DL, and then another LB or safety. There is only so much money and it doesnt make sense to throw it all into CB.

BroncoMan4ever
03-09-2011, 01:02 AM
Fairley would be a good selection because he's a rare pass rushing DT, and he's exceptional at it. He plays with alot of energy too, and rooks like that usually have a bit of an impact. Taco John was right when he said that it would be exciting to see Fairley and Dumervil along side each other on third down. You can forget Rivers having time to pick us apart anymore. Those are two high motor pass rushers. This is a passing league today too, so that would be a strength.

On the other hand, Dareus provides both run defense and pass rush. He looks like a guy who can hold his gap and push someone backward into the QB's face.

Bowers is another pass rush guy, but who can also set the edge in the run game and pursue.

All of those guys provide tremendous front 7 help. Front 7 help is what the Broncos need far more than they need anything else.

It would be nice to take BPA, and take a roll on Peterson if he actually is the BPA (Im not so sure on that...I think its just as well Bowers), but I dont think the Broncos have the money to invest the #2 pick in a corner after they just spent a bunch on Bailey. You have to balance out your money, and right now the Broncos are invested heavily in a great DB already. They have money in a pass rush DE, and a little in Ayers. The next investment should be in another DL, and then another LB or safety. There is only so much money and it doesnt make sense to throw it all into CB.

I would be much higher on drafting Fairley if we had a guy like Dareus already on the roster. i love the pass rush from the interior ability of Fairley, but this team also needs someone who can clog up running lanes as well as provide a push up the middle as a pass rusher. Fairley while dominant as a pass rusher, isn't as rounded as Dareus is. he doesn't have the all around game(yet, it is possible he develops)

Taco John
03-09-2011, 01:06 AM
I would be tremendously disappointed if Fairley is on the board when we pick and we pass over him... I be all like...

Niiiiiiiiick Faaaaaaaaiiiiiirleeeeeeeey!

Shananahan
03-09-2011, 01:07 AM
he played well. 1 game wonder isn't the best way to put his season. good season and then a monster game catapulted him up draft boards is how i meant that remark. i truly believe that a large majority of his hype and his rise up draft boards came from the MVP performance in the BCS championship game.
Except he had a great season, not a good one, followed by a monster game. If you really think everybody just started talking about him following the title game you weren't paying much attention during the season. Fairley and Newton were two of the 3-4 players talked about nonstop prior to the championship.

I prefer Dareus, Bowers and Peterson to the guy and have major doubts about him in the NFL, but you shouldn't sell his season short just because you don't want them to draft him.

epicSocialism4tw
03-09-2011, 01:11 AM
I would be much higher on drafting Fairley if we had a guy like Dareus already on the roster. i love the pass rush from the interior ability of Fairley, but this team also needs someone who can clog up running lanes as well as provide a push up the middle as a pass rusher. Fairley while dominant as a pass rusher, isn't as rounded as Dareus is. he doesn't have the all around game(yet, it is possible he develops)

We could solve that problem by securing this fantastic fatty:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4109/5015714873_f9ede83a5f_z.jpg

Oh how great life would be if a Mebane fell from a tree...

epicSocialism4tw
03-09-2011, 01:17 AM
The Denver Superbuddies made it to Fairley's pro day.

"Carolina head coach Ron Rivera was in attendance, along with Denver coach John Fox and vice president John Elway, Cincinnati coach Marvin Lewis, and Cleveland coach Pat Shurmur and defensive coordinator Dick Jauron."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=6195706

epicSocialism4tw
03-09-2011, 01:21 AM
Fairley puts on impressive performance



Defensive tackle Nick Fairley (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27293/nick-fairley) was the other headliner at Auburn's pro day, and he did not disappoint. Fairley was six pounds heavier than at the NFL combine but looked more fluid and explosive than any 297-pounder should.



Fairley took part in only position drills but wowed the scouts in attendance with his foot quickness during back work and his agility during cone drills. His burst out of every cut and change of direction was remarkable. The three teams at the top of the board -- Carolina, Denver, Buffalo -- all have defensive-line needs and Fairley clearly has the physical tools to be worthy of any of those picks.



However, there are concerns about his ability to quickly absorb an NFL scheme and some close to the Auburn program raise concerns about the inconsistency of his focus off the field. Add in the fact that he produced at a high level for just one season and teams likely wonder what they'll get from Fairley at the next level. To that end, Fairley had long interview sessions at the end of the day with Carolina and Denver.



He can be special if he matures and becomes a consistently hard worker, but those concerns could drop him as far as No. 8 overall to Tennessee. It's worth noting that Jauron was in attendance. He is bringing a 4-3 defense with him to Cleveland and could use a potentially dominant 3-technique tackle like Fairley to anchor the middle of his scheme.



One scout put it perfectly when he turned to me at one point and said: "You can't tell me [Newton and Fairley] aren't two of the three best players in the draft, but you also can't tell me you'd be totally comfortable taking either at No. 1 overall if your job were on the line."



Both are loaded with potential but there are just enough little concerns to make teams wary.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=6195706

extralife
03-09-2011, 01:50 AM
I still want to know how a guy nearly 300 pounds only puts up 22 reps on the bench. He's either not working in the weight room like he ought to, or he's got less upper body strength than you want from an interior lineman.

or his arms are just long

footstepsfrom#27
03-09-2011, 01:50 AM
However, there are concerns about his ability to quickly absorb an NFL scheme and [B]some close to the Auburn program raise concerns about the inconsistency of his focus off the field. Add in the fact that he produced at a high level for just one season and teams likely wonder what they'll get from Fairley at the next level. To that end, Fairley had long interview sessions at the end of the day with Carolina and Denver.
It's barely been mentioned in here, but Fairley was an academic ineligible player who had to attend JUCO before he got to Auburn. Is that a concern, given the complexities of NFL playbooks?

I don't know...but it's something else that adds to the risk factor.

Shananahan
03-09-2011, 01:52 AM
Both are loaded with potential but there are just enough little concerns to make teams wary.
http://i52.tinypic.com/dqr9jl.jpg

The Joker
03-09-2011, 02:23 AM
There aren't many more valuable things in the NFL than an interior defensive lineman who can consistently get into the offensive backfield.

Fairley has the talents to be one of the most effective players in the NFL. A guy with the potential to get you close to 10 sacks a season from the DT position and, much more importantly, provide a consistent interior pass rush that prevents opposing QB's from being able to step up in the pocket, something that in turn makes your DE's a lot more effective.

However, he also has enough in the way of legitimate concerns that could lead to him being a massive bust. How will he handle the increase in the level of competition he faces? Does he have the work ethic and strength of character needed to deal with the adversity he'll face when he realises he can't just beat opponents on sheer natural talent anymore? Will he be willing to work hard enough, to listen to his coaches and to put in the hard graft needed to up his game and become a dominant force in the NFL? Will the money go to his head?

So many questions, none of which we'll know the answer of until after the draft. Which is a problem when you're potentially investing the #2 overall pick in the guy.

Dareus on the other hand seems a very safe pick if you want to go DT. Seems to have very little in the way of character concerns, and his game is so well rounded that it's very hard to see any way (barring injury, which is the case for every potential draft pick in history) he's not going to be at least a solid starter in the NFL for many years to come. I could see him being like Sedrick Ellis in New Orleans, a beast against the run who will get you a few sacks every year thrown into the bargain while holding the POA very nicely. Just a very good player to have on your team and a cornerstone to build your line around.

But it's hard to pass on a guy like Fairley, no doubt. If he goes on to be the next Warren Sapp then we'd be kicking ourselves for years to come.

Any way we could just have them both maybe? :clown:

listopencil
03-09-2011, 02:33 AM
Oh how great life would be if a Mebane fell from a tree...

Man, too bad we never had a chance at him. Oh wait...

ŘrangeÇrush
03-09-2011, 02:38 AM
Take it for what its worth, but thats what Todd McShay said about Nick Fairley after this afternoon's workout.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6195049

There's Cam Newton stuff in there too.

tis the season for hyperbole and pumping.

footstepsfrom#27
03-09-2011, 02:53 AM
Trevor Pryce racked up some massive sack numbers from the DT spot, and the team still didn't go anywhere outside his first season here so everyone saying the same thing about Bailey...back at ya. It's not about one guy or position it's about an overall philosophy and the commitment to the defensive side of the ball. Yes it starts at the line and builds outwards, but that's a blueprint not a formula. Sometimes you have to take a player because he's the best, not the best sutied.

The Joker
03-09-2011, 03:41 AM
Honestly, I'll be surprised if we take Peterson.

His strength seems to be playing aggressive man coverage, while from what I've read about Fox's defense he likes to play primarily Cover-2 and Cover-3 zone based D, with the onus being on the 4 man front to generate pressure without the help of a lot of blitzing.

This would appear to work against a Peterson selection on two fronts. First, his best talent wouldn't be getting utilised a lot in our defense, and secondly we desperately need better DT's in order to make our scheme work.

Peterson seems better suited to a team that like to blitz a lot, to me, as he'll be able to play aggressive man coverage and take away a team's best receiver.

bpc
03-09-2011, 04:57 AM
Fairly plays like Trevor Price 2.0.

Traveler
03-09-2011, 05:54 AM
Interesting comments on Fairley. While he is talented, drafting this guy scares me the most. I'll trust that Fox & Company will make the correct decision. Dareus or Peterson at #2 IMO.

The stereotype is that JUCO players aren't as smart, hard-working, and well coached. They are also viewed by many clubs as players most likely to have had off-field troubles in the past and potentially more in the future. The source refused to go into specifics, but said, "Everyone is coming down hard on the quarterback, but [Fairley] is the one to worry about."

Despite measuring in at a shade under 6-4 and lighter than expected (291 pounds), Fairley "looked soft," according to the source. This first impression of Fairley's conditioning was only reinforced by his "limited" understanding of defensive schemes during team interviews. The source also referred to the fact that Fairley doesn't use his hands well and has been able to be successful largely due to his natural talent.

"Oh, I'm not saying he's not talented. Hell, he might be the most talented player in the whole damn thing. But, he's no slam dunk at this level. Not the slam dunk people who watched him tear up the SEC or in the big game [BCS National Championship] might think."

http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbsspor...75988/27782334

gunns
03-09-2011, 06:50 AM
The more I read, watch and hear, I'm starting to lean towards Dareus. I'm just getting the feeling, call it woman's intuition, that Fairley is the type that once drafted, feels comfortable and eats himself to excess, parties with the boys, just reminds me of a player trying to get his pay day. See Jamarcus Russell.

BroncoInferno
03-09-2011, 06:55 AM
Man I hope we land this guy. I think Fairley and Dumervil would be an amazing combo, especially on third downs.

I agree. This meme going around that Fairley is going to bust and Dareus is such a sure thing is puzzling. Fairley probably has a more scheme specific skill set, but it just so happens we will be running the scheme that best suits him. Dareus is probably more versatile, but as a penetrating, one-gap 4-3 DT, Fairley is head and shoulders above the other DTs in this draft, including Dareus. And, to me, the Fairley type of player is much harder to find. We can get a run stuffer like Phil Taylor later on.

BroncoInferno
03-09-2011, 06:56 AM
I was impressed with fairley too. His lower body is so strong.

But I heard on the mane that his legs were too skinny! BUST!!!1111!!!!!1

epicSocialism4tw
03-09-2011, 07:06 AM
It's barely been mentioned in here, but Fairley was an academic ineligible player who had to attend JUCO before he got to Auburn. Is that a concern, given the complexities of NFL playbooks?

I don't know...but it's something else that adds to the risk factor.

Phil Loadholt was a JUCO player at OU. There are successs stories.

epicSocialism4tw
03-09-2011, 07:06 AM
Man, too bad we never had a chance at him. Oh wait...

He's a free agent this offseason.

Drunk Monkey
03-09-2011, 07:20 AM
The more I read, watch and hear, I'm starting to lean towards Dareus. I'm just getting the feeling, call it woman's intuition, that Fairley is the type that once drafted, feels comfortable and eats himself to excess, parties with the boys, just reminds me of a player trying to get his pay day. See Jamarcus Russell.

It will be interesting to see what the rookie pay scale looks like. That could change things.

DrFate
03-09-2011, 07:20 AM
Fariley remains a one year wonder. He is the product of a lot of coverage Auburn got last year. Sure, he had a nice year. But is that total track record worth rolling the dice with this #2 pick?

I'll say it again - blowing this pick sets this franchise back another 3 years. They have to take the closest thing to a 'sure thing' that's on the board - you can't simply fall in love with the best dtackle because idiot McShay is slobbering over him or the current cast at that position is so bad. You can't let those factors cloud the pick.

epicSocialism4tw
03-09-2011, 07:22 AM
Fariley remains a one year wonder. He is the product of a lot of coverage Auburn got last year. Sure, he had a nice year. But is that total track record worth rolling the dice with this #2 pick?

I'll say it again - blowing this pick sets this franchise back another 3 years. They have to take the closest thing to a 'sure thing' that's on the board - you can't simply fall in love with the best dtackle because idiot McShay is slobbering over him or the current cast at that position is so bad. You can't let those factors cloud the pick.

Yeah, you can let that factor "cloud" the pick. That's exactly how most teams go about the draft.

I dont know that it needs saying, but you dont draft redundancy just because you can. That's less intelligent than picking for need.

BroncoInferno
03-09-2011, 07:27 AM
Fariley remains a one year wonder. He is the product of a lot of coverage Auburn got last year. Sure, he had a nice year. But is that total track record worth rolling the dice with this #2 pick?

I'll say it again - blowing this pick sets this franchise back another 3 years. They have to take the closest thing to a 'sure thing' that's on the board - you can't simply fall in love with the best dtackle because idiot McShay is slobbering over him or the current cast at that position is so bad. You can't let those factors cloud the pick.

Whether we draft Fairley or not, I highly doubt Todd McShay's opinion will be a factor in the decision.

DrFate
03-09-2011, 07:28 AM
That's exactly how most teams go about the draft.

Do the best teams draft that way? Or do they take the best guy on the board? (I'm thinking of the teams with a solid recent draft history - the Pats, the Ravens, the Chargers, etc.)

The current DLine is awful, everybody agrees on that. And the Broncos SHOULD draft a number of players at that position. But blowing this #2 isn't like blowing the #12 on Moreno - you don't get a top 3 pick that often (and hopefully not again in my lifetime). I don't feel they can take a high-risk player like Fairely.

Traveler
03-09-2011, 08:05 AM
Do the best teams draft that way? Or do they take the best guy on the board? (I'm thinking of the teams with a solid recent draft history - the Pats, the Ravens, the Chargers, etc.)

The current DLine is awful, everybody agrees on that. And the Broncos SHOULD draft a number of players at that position. But blowing this #2 isn't like blowing the #12 on Moreno - you don't get a top 3 pick that often (and hopefully not again in my lifetime). I don't feel they can take a high-risk player like Fairely.

This.

cmhargrove
03-09-2011, 08:09 AM
We can obviously find our own reasons for Fairley or Dareus, but I try to think like our new coach. His best season (Superbowl appearance), he had Kris Jenkins and Brentson Buckner in the DT spots.

I would say that Vickerson could definitely fill the Brentson Buckner role, but the Kris Jenkins role takes a massively powerful, large interior presence. Fairely is a gifted player, and could end up as a great penetrating D-Tackle like Sapp, but that doesn't seem to be Fox's blueprint.

Dareus already has the feet and power at 320 lbs right out of college. I think he fits the blueprint. I would be happy with either guy, because they are both better than what we have, but i think Dareus fits Fox's defense.

TonyR
03-09-2011, 08:57 AM
It's barely been mentioned in here, but Fairley was an academic ineligible player who had to attend JUCO before he got to Auburn. Is that a concern, given the complexities of NFL playbooks?

I don't know...but it's something else that adds to the risk factor.

I'm with you here. Lots of red flags. I'm surprised so many people are on board with taking a guy with such character concerns at such a high spot. This guy has "underachieving, fat, stupid, lazy defensive lineman" potential written all over him. The interviews with this kid will be very important.

Taco John
03-09-2011, 08:58 AM
The thing that worries me the most about Fairley is the way his helmet fits.

Beantown Bronco
03-09-2011, 09:00 AM
The thing that worries me the most about Fairley is the way his helmet fits.

Nate Webster agrees.

footstepsfrom#27
03-09-2011, 09:04 AM
The more I read, watch and hear, I'm starting to lean towards Dareus. I'm just getting the feeling, call it woman's intuition, that Fairley is the type that once drafted, feels comfortable and eats himself to excess, parties with the boys, just reminds me of a player trying to get his pay day. See Jamarcus Russell.
He and Jamarcus are buddies too...an ominous sign perhaps?

I didn't know women's intutition worked for the NFL draft. I hope my wife doesn't find out. ;D

alkemical
03-09-2011, 09:15 AM
He and Jamarcus are buddies too...an ominous sign perhaps?

I didn't know women's intutition worked for the NFL draft. I hope my wife doesn't find out. ;D



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Cito Pelon
03-09-2011, 09:20 AM
It will be interesting to see what the rookie pay scale looks like. That could change things.

That would change things drastically. Teams would be beating on the door with trade offers for that #2 pick.

Rohirrim
03-09-2011, 09:21 AM
I felt totally secure in my approval for Fairley at #2...






until I read that TJ was for him too. Ha!

BroncoInferno
03-09-2011, 09:30 AM
I felt totally secure in my approval for Fairley at #2...






until I read that TJ was for him too. Ha!

Yeah, my confidence was shaken as well. Taco loved him some George Foster, and begged Shanny to take Matt Leinart.

OABB
03-09-2011, 09:44 AM
Yeah, my confidence was shaken as well. Taco loved him some George Foster, and begged Shanny to take Matt Leinart.

He'd take tiki over knowshon today as well.

Kaylore
03-09-2011, 09:49 AM
I still want to know how a guy nearly 300 pounds only puts up 22 reps on the bench. He's either not working in the weight room like he ought to, or he's got less upper body strength than you want from an interior lineman. This is the ultimate boom/bust player in this draft IMO, mainly because he's going so high.

This is an ignorant post. You either don't bench or have short arms. Fairley has longer arms and it's harder to put up more reps with longer arms. Short armed guys usually can bench a lot.

The real question is who cares? When has bench press numbers ever equated to production at any level? Jared Allen I think benched 16 reps. Virtually every guy who benched the most at the combine did literally nothing in the pro's because his arms were too short.

alkemical
03-09-2011, 09:49 AM
I have T-Rex arms.

oubronco
03-09-2011, 09:55 AM
He'd take tiki over knowshon today as well.

Oh Good Grief LOL

Chris
03-09-2011, 10:11 AM
This is an ignorant post. You either don't bench or have short arms. Fairley has longer arms and it's harder to put up more reps with longer arms. Short armed guys usually can bench a lot.

Gonna use this.

NFLBRONCO
03-09-2011, 10:30 AM
I watched NFLN yesterday and they asked Charlie C. Mike L. who they'd take between Fairley and Dareus they said, Dareus because he was stronger.

Cito Pelon
03-09-2011, 10:44 AM
This is an ignorant post. You either don't bench or have short arms. Fairley has longer arms and it's harder to put up more reps with longer arms. Short armed guys usually can bench a lot.

The real question is who cares? When has bench press numbers ever equated to production at any level? Jared Allen I think benched 16 reps. Virtually every guy who benched the most at the combine did literally nothing in the pro's because his arms were too short.

Well, some long arm guys can bench a lot, technique figures in. Fairley seems to be a good football player and that's what counts. Whether or not he's the best pick for the Broncos is what counts also.

I'll have to be happy with whatever the BBT decides. These top D players in the draft are pretty close together in terms of potential.

For three-tech DT, Fairley seems just barely, slightly, marginally better than Dareus, but this explosiveness Fairley has been showing is at 25-30 lbs less than Dareus.


I think only Fairley, Dareus, Miller, Peterson, Quinn should be on the Broncos radar. And for me it would be a tough choice.

DrFate
03-09-2011, 10:58 AM
The thing that worries me the most about Fairley is the way his helmet fits.

Laugh if you want today Taco, but lets keep this post around. I have a bad feeling in three years this is another guy who will wear the label 'fat underachiever who took the money and waddled off'.

The Broncos will be minus the tens of millions they gave him and can watch the excellent players they passed on continue long, productive careers.

misturanderson
03-09-2011, 11:02 AM
I'm still unsold on Fairley's ability to impact the game at the NFL level like he did in college. He was the constant beneficiary of idiotic OL protection schemes that left him 1-on-1 (or in the NC game 1-on-0) vs the worst pass blocker on the line and a huge gap between the RG and the C.

Sure, he has incredible reflexes off the snap and was able to shoot that gap nearly untouched in many cases, but I didn't see him split doubles consistently. I didn't see him do much of anything if he got locked up with a defender either.

Dareus seems much better at holding guys up at the POA, splitting double teams and getting off of blocks. Those are things that a DT needs to be able to do to in the NFL as Fairley will just get schemed out of plays if he can't beat a double team and gets washed out of running plays in those cases. We don't have another DT on the roster that will demand those C-G double teams, so I don't really see where Fairley fills a great need on our team.

If someone wants to show me some video that counters my opinion, I'm totally open to it. It's just that the Highlights/Lowlights videos of him left me with the impression that Fairley performed extremely well when the opposing team's blocking scheme forgot about him, or when the coverage was good enough downfield that he had the time to get off of a block, but rarely in any other situations. Dareus on the other hand seemed to be able to split double teams when he needed to or hold two guys up to let his LBs make plays when necessary. He didn't have amazing concrete stats, but I saw him causing havoc in the backfield and providing pressure much more often than Fairley, even though he wasn't always making the tackle.

Kaylore
03-09-2011, 11:12 AM
Well, some long arm guys can bench a lot, technique figures in. Fairley seems to be a good football player and that's what counts. Whether or not he's the best pick for the Broncos is what counts also.

I'll have to be happy with whatever the BBT decides. These top D players in the draft are pretty close together in terms of potential.

For three-tech DT, Fairley seems just barely, slightly, marginally better than Dareus, but this explosiveness Fairley has been showing is at 25-30 lbs less than Dareus.


I think only Fairley, Dareus, Miller, Peterson, Quinn should be on the Broncos radar. And for me it would be a tough choice.

The nice thing about picking second is there are several blue chip players to pick rather than picking at 11 hoping there are enough stupid GM's in front of you to give you a shot.

misturanderson
03-09-2011, 11:18 AM
I think only Fairley, Dareus, Miller, Peterson, Quinn should be on the Broncos radar. And for me it would be a tough choice.

Why not Bowers?

rbackfactory80
03-09-2011, 11:18 AM
Scares the hell out of me.

Great season before getting drafted check
Huge workout check
Attitude/character problems check

This franchise is in so deep now and needs something that will at worst be a starter in the future. This guys proves he can turn it on and off when he wants. Not mature enough yet.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
03-09-2011, 11:32 AM
I'd like to know if Fairley can even squat his own body weight.

PRBronco
03-09-2011, 11:36 AM
Scares the hell out of me.

Great season before getting drafted check
Huge workout check
Attitude/character problems check

This franchise is in so deep now and needs something that will at worst be a starter in the future. This guys proves he can turn it on and off when he wants. Not mature enough yet.

Orly?

_Oro_
03-09-2011, 11:37 AM
This is an ignorant post. You either don't bench or have short arms. Fairley has longer arms and it's harder to put up more reps with longer arms. Short armed guys usually can bench a lot.

The real question is who cares? When has bench press numbers ever equated to production at any level? Jared Allen I think benched 16 reps. Virtually every guy who benched the most at the combine did literally nothing in the pro's because his arms were too short.

Maybe they should take the ratio of reps to arm length.

PRBronco
03-09-2011, 11:41 AM
Ted Bartlett likes Fairley: http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/you-got-served-3-8-11

3. Did you hear the one about how Marcell Dareus has moved ahead of Nick Fairley? I’ve been seeing and hearing it, and frankly, I think it’s a bunch of nonsense. They both played in by far the best and deepest conference in college football, and Fairley was clearly the better player. If it weren’t for Ndamukong Suh last year, I’d say that Fairley had the best season of any college DT since Warren Sapp. I think that Fairley was roughly Suh’s 2009 equal in 2010.
I also think all this stuff about Fairley’s “character” is overblown. If you know me, you know I don’t get into this character nonsense, because I was a mistake-prone kid once too. I grew up to be a good and productive citizen, and so can others who’ve made mistakes. In Fairley’s case, I don’t see what mistakes he’s even apparently made, beyond taking a few unnecessary roughness penalties. Has he been arrested or even suspended from his team? It’d be news to me if he has been.
I favor football players, and I don’t really care that much that Fairley lost 10 pounds for the combine. He’s a penetrating DT anyway, so his size is perfectly fine. I love this fuzzy math that says that Dareus running a 4.92 was better than Fairley’s 4.82. I get that the rationale is that Dareus was 319 pounds and Fairley was 291, but I don’t think that being heavier as a 3-technique is necessarily a benefit. Fairley is going to play around 300 pounds, and he’s demonstrably quicker on the field than Dareus. This is a no-brainer to me that you take the better football player, and that’s Fairley.

footstepsfrom#27
03-09-2011, 11:44 AM
We can obviously find our own reasons for Fairley or Dareus, but I try to think like our new coach. His best season (Superbowl appearance), he had Kris Jenkins and Brentson Buckner in the DT spots.

I would say that Vickerson could definitely fill the Brentson Buckner role, but the Kris Jenkins role takes a massively powerful, large interior presence. Fairely is a gifted player, and could end up as a great penetrating D-Tackle like Sapp, but that doesn't seem to be Fox's blueprint.
Dareus already has the feet and power at 320 lbs right out of college. I think he fits the blueprint. I would be happy with either guy, because they are both better than what we have, but i think Dareus fits Fox's defense.
Dareus is a nice penetrator for his size, and Kenrick Ellis fits that blueprint even better, about 30 pounds bigger, and he'd come in the 2nd round. Of course they could draft them both if they want to. Or they could move up for Paea (I still think he goes top 20 somewhere) and still use their other 2nd to draft Ellis and take Peterson with the #2, or even trade down a few spots for one of Miller/Quinn/Amukamara around 8 or so and add another #2 in the process, giving us still another D-line option like Bailey or perhaps a TE like DJ Williams....lots of options and we're not even talking about what comes from an Orton trade if that happens.

footstepsfrom#27
03-09-2011, 11:51 AM
Ted Bartlett likes Fairley: http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/you-got-served-3-8-11

3. Did you hear the one about how Marcell Dareus has moved ahead of Nick Fairley? I’ve been seeing and hearing it, and frankly, I think it’s a bunch of nonsense. They both played in by far the best and deepest conference in college football, and Fairley was clearly the better player. If it weren’t for Ndamukong Suh last year, I’d say that Fairley had the best season of any college DT since Warren Sapp. I think that Fairley was roughly Suh’s 2009 equal in 2010.
I also think all this stuff about Fairley’s “character” is overblown. If you know me, you know I don’t get into this character nonsense, because I was a mistake-prone kid once too. I grew up to be a good and productive citizen, and so can others who’ve made mistakes. In Fairley’s case, I don’t see what mistakes he’s even apparently made, beyond taking a few unnecessary roughness penalties. Has he been arrested or even suspended from his team? It’d be news to me if he has been.
I favor football players, and I don’t really care that much that Fairley lost 10 pounds for the combine. He’s a penetrating DT anyway, so his size is perfectly fine. I love this fuzzy math that says that Dareus running a 4.92 was better than Fairley’s 4.82. I get that the rationale is that Dareus was 319 pounds and Fairley was 291, but I don’t think that being heavier as a 3-technique is necessarily a benefit. Fairley is going to play around 300 pounds, and he’s demonstrably quicker on the field than Dareus. This is a no-brainer to me that you take the better football player, and that’s Fairley.
Fairley did not dominate like Suh did, regaurdless of what this guy says. And Fairley has some other issues, including what's between his ears, but Dareus is the better run stuffer. And yes, I"d rather have the 320 pound 4.9 guy than the 4.8 guy playing under 300 pounds. That said, it's going to be tough to get mad at them for whoever they pick this high unless it's something really off the wall like taking Green.

footstepsfrom#27
03-09-2011, 12:06 PM
This is an ignorant post. You either don't bench or have short arms. Fairley has longer arms and it's harder to put up more reps with longer arms. Short armed guys usually can bench a lot.

The real question is who cares? When has bench press numbers ever equated to production at any level? Jared Allen I think benched 16 reps. Virtually every guy who benched the most at the combine did literally nothing in the pro's because his arms were too short.
The NFL cares, that's who you silly kid. I realize pretty much anything I post is subject to your personal critique as "ignorant" or some other demeaning characterization, right? Fine...whatever, I don't care, but it's not ignorant to ask questions about his combine performance, particuarly in light of suspicions he's not the hardest worker, and the NFL is filled with short armed workout warriors who (according to you) can't play or long armed guys who can't bench? Really?...maybe you should call the Broncos and tell them your theory, because you can start with Elvis Dumervil and his 500 pound BP as one of those guys...oh yeah, he's got some very long arms too...so much for that idea.

Obviously any idiot knows that long arms make it tougher to bench, but have you noticed HOW they bench? No? Well they don't put that bar up like they do in power lifting, pausing a full count and remaining still first. In fact it borders on bouncing it off the chest, which is how Paea was doing it and it's illegal in competitions. Long arms are much less of a burden when you're not pausing a full count with a strict rep like they do in competition.

Kaylore
03-09-2011, 12:30 PM
The NFL cares, that's who you silly kid. I realize pretty much anything I post is subject to your personal critique as "ignorant" or some other demeaning characterization, right? Fine...whatever, I don't care, but it's not ignorant to ask questions about his combine performance, particuarly in light of suspicions he's not the hardest worker, and the NFL is filled with short armed workout warriors who (according to you) can't play or long armed guys who can't bench? Really?...maybe you should call the Broncos and tell them your theory, because you can start with Elvis Dumervil and his 500 pound BP as one of those guys...oh yeah, he's got some very long arms too...so much for that idea.
Captain hysterical, as usual. You're pretty much making my point. There is no correlation between bench press and someone's effort. You say he didn't bench a lot. I would point out that he showed up 10 pounds underweight and blew away all his events (except for bench press). If he sucked in everything else, then yes, it would be evidence. What it shows me is he has been training for the speed drills.

Defensive tackles tend to show their laziness, if there is any, in their weight and Fairley at least is staying in shape and obviously has been training for the combine specifically. Could it be he is working hard just to get drafted high so he can get paid and then mail it in? Possibly, but there is more evidence he works hard for his goals, at least in the short term, than he doesn't. Not putting up a lot of reps in the bench press means little to me.

Obviously any idiot knows that long arms make it tougher to bench, but have you noticed HOW they bench? No?
<img src="http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=15709&stc=1&d=1147936819">

Now you're having imaginary responses from me?

Tombstone RJ
03-09-2011, 12:39 PM
Take it for what its worth, but thats what Todd McShay said about Nick Fairley after this afternoon's workout.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6195049

There's Cam Newton stuff in there too.

no thanks. I'd take him maybe in the middle of the first round, but not at #2. and no, I didn't read the article.

please remember that there are many, many work out warriors like fairly over the years that shine for one year, have a great workout and then some stoooopid team takes the guy at #1 or #2 and he flops in the NFL

No thanks. not gonna play that game, too many instances of this type of failure over the years.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-09-2011, 12:40 PM
Fairley did not dominate like Suh did, regaurdless of what this guy says. And Fairley has some other issues, including what's between his ears, but Dareus is the better run stuffer. And yes, I"d rather have the 320 pound 4.9 guy than the 4.8 guy playing under 300 pounds. That said, it's going to be tough to get mad at them for whoever they pick this high unless it's something really off the wall like taking Green.

This measure of "who dominated more" is puzzling. However, to my untrained eye, Nick Fairley absolutely dominated the national championship game as much as anyone realistically can.

Taco John
03-09-2011, 12:54 PM
He'd take tiki over knowshon today as well.

I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't be comfortable with either one of them as my #1 starter.

misturanderson
03-09-2011, 01:04 PM
This measure of "who dominated more" is puzzling. However, to my untrained eye, Nick Fairley absolutely dominated the national championship game as much as anyone realistically can.

Fairley was the major beneficiary of 2 plays where for whatever reason he was left completely unblocked and most of the rest of the game he was left 1-on-1 against one of Oregon's undersized guards. I think there was one single play where he was double-teamed and didn't get completely driven out of the play.

He did a great job of making the guards look like fools when they lunged for him off the snap and he just swam or pushed past them. NFL guards aren't going to be playing him like that and they won't be pushed/thrown around as easily as Oregon's OL.

That NC game performance, while great, was also partly due to a horrible offensive scheme run by players that won't be playing in the NFL.

srphoenix
03-09-2011, 01:20 PM
It will be interesting to see what the reports are from Alabama's pro day today. I'm sure we'll be seeing a lot comparisons between the position drills run by Dareus and Fairley. I'm still undecided, we tend to only remember the most recent games. Fairley was equally as impressive against Alabama in the Iron Bowl and without him Auburn does not win a national championship nor do they even make it to the game. Dareus also looked as impressive as Fairley did when Alabama played Texas in the year befores national championship game and has played well this year while battling numerous injuries.

I think at this point we can rule out Von Miller, just not as much of a fit as the other guys, but Bowers, Fairley, Dareus, and Peterson are all very much in play and I think they'll all make for good if not great players. I would say that Fairley is the highest risk along with Bowers but Fairley may also have the highest upside as well.

JDB7821
03-09-2011, 01:35 PM
I don't see much of anything that separates Nick Fairley from Peria Jerry who we drafted in the 1st round two years ago and I certainly wouldn't have taken Peria 2nd overall.

The only difference is that Peria was older when he was drafted, but Fairley has more character concerns.

BroncoInferno
03-09-2011, 01:43 PM
I don't see much of anything that separates Nick Fairley from Peria Jerry who we drafted in the 1st round two years ago and I certainly wouldn't have taken Peria 2nd overall.

The only difference is that Peria was older when he was drafted, but Fairley has more character concerns.

Sure, other than production and big game performance, nothing seperates these guys Uhh

JDB7821
03-09-2011, 01:46 PM
Sure, other than production and big game performance, nothing seperates these guys Uhh

Fairley's production is marginally better and how is it Peria's fault that he didn't play in the BCS game? He was on a far inferior TEAM, that doesn't mean he was the reason they didn't get to play in any big games.

BroncoInferno
03-09-2011, 01:50 PM
Fairley's production is marginally better and how is it Peria's fault that he didn't play in the BCS game? He was on a far inferior TEAM, that doesn't mean he was the reason they didn't get to play in any big games.

Marginally? Perry's best season season in college was his senior year with 6 sacks, Fairley had exactly twice that as a junior. Perry didn't have that many sacks in his four year collegiate career. But, yeah, that's only "marginally" better.

JDB7821
03-09-2011, 01:58 PM
Marginally? Perry's best season season in college was his senior year with 6 sacks, Fairley had twice that amount as a junior. Perry didn't have that many sacks in a four year career. But, yeah, that's only "marginally" better.

I'll concede that, but Peria had 18 TFL's his senior year while Fairley had 24. I wouldn't call that a huge difference. Like I said, Fairley had a better team around him. When I look at them as individuals, there's nothing about Fairley that screams at me to make me want to take him second overall.

I'd much rather take that chance on Marcell Dareus. He doesn't have the production that matches either of them, but he's more versatile and doesn't have the character concerns.

BroncoInferno
03-09-2011, 02:06 PM
I'd much rather take that chance on Marcell Dareus. He doesn't have the production that matches either of them, but he's more versatile and doesn't have the character concerns.

Exactly what are Fariley's character concerns? He's never been arrested. Never been suspended from his team. He got called for a couple of roughing penalties? Good! We need some attitude on this defense. This is just the kind of thing that happens every year. It was the same deal last year when some people swore up and down that McCoy was better than Suh, production be damned. And normally it's just because people don't like something they see in a highlight film. C'mon!

PRBronco
03-09-2011, 02:09 PM
Exactly what are Fariley's character concerns? He's never been arrested. Never been suspended from his team. ... C'mon!

QFT.

I'm still leaning slightly towards Dareus, but can we stop making **** up about Fairley?

BroncoInferno
03-09-2011, 02:12 PM
QFT.

I'm still leaning slightly towards Dareus, but can we stop making **** up about Fairley?

Well, to be fair, the draft "experts" keep mentioning it, though they never really elaborate. Oh, and he had his picture taken with JaMarcus Russell, and anyone who would have their picture taken with him is clearly lazy and a character risk.

gyldenlove
03-09-2011, 02:19 PM
When I see Dareus play what stands out to me is that he never walks backward, even when double teamed against the run he holds his ground, Dareus may never have a 10 sack season, but he is a guy who will make the team better on every single play by taking on blockers, holding his ground, pushing the pocket and chasing the ball when it is not going his way.

To me Fairley has a higher upside, he could produce a 10 sack season which is rare for defensive tackles, if you give him one chance, he will most likely make one big play. But the way I see it he is also a guy who is not going to help the team on every play.

alkemical
03-09-2011, 02:19 PM
Well, to be fair, the draft "experts" keep mentioning it, though they never really elaborate. Oh, and he had his picture taken with JaMarcus Russell, and anyone who would have their picture taken with him is clearly lazy and a character risk.

Grip & sip...purple drank!

Beantown Bronco
03-09-2011, 02:28 PM
I'll concede that, but Peria had 18 TFL's his senior year while Fairley had 24. I wouldn't call that a huge difference.

33% difference is pretty significant.

jhns
03-09-2011, 02:28 PM
This measure of "who dominated more" is puzzling. However, to my untrained eye, Nick Fairley absolutely dominated the national championship game as much as anyone realistically can.

You should go watch last years Big 12 title game, or any Husker game from last year. Fairley doesn't come close to Suh. Suh beat Texas all by himself. I have never seen a DT take over a game the way he did. Fairleys highlights dont look as good as Suh in that one game. It is silly to compare the two and it would have been great for us to have this horrible season a year earlier.

I just cant bring myself to care who they take. As long as they pick defense early and often, I will like the draft.

Shananahan
03-09-2011, 03:06 PM
Yeah Suh blew my mind against Texas. I saw Fairley play multiple times last year and he was never controlling the line like Suh did. The Championship game was impressive, but many of his plays came by shooting clean into the backfield unblocked. Suh was on a different level.

footstepsfrom#27
03-09-2011, 03:28 PM
Captain hysterical, as usual. You're pretty much making my point.
"Hysterical"...right dude...get a grip OK? Nothing hysterical about this except you're little hit 'n run tactics. Your "point"? What the hell was it? Oh yeah...the bench press is not important for NFL players...I guess that's what you consider a "point"...fine, as I said, the league disagrees.
There is no correlation between bench press and someone's effort.
Never said there was. Correlation would constitute a repeatable consistent consequence or response to an initial action...not surprisingly you think that's what I said. What I actually said, is that FAIRLEY'S bench makes me wonder about either his weight room dedication or his natural upper body strength. Notice I didn't say I know the answer to the question, I just posed the question...got it? Fairley has a lot of people wondering about various things, his intelligence and ability to handle an NFL playbook, his seeming lack of awarness at times to things around him, his off the field relationship with ultimate NFL bust Jamarcus Russell, his possible tendency to rely simply on natural talent over technique against college competition, his single year of major success, his ability to control his emotions on the field and cost his team penalties by being a hot head and a dirty player...adding all these things together his surprising BP results merely join a list of other issues scouts and coaches are asking questions about, and whether fair or not, these are questions people have. You act as if I'm the only one asking. Stories even today indicate I'm not.
You say he didn't bench a lot. I would point out that he showed up 10 pounds underweight and blew away all his events (except for bench press). If he sucked in everything else, then yes, it would be evidence. What it shows me is he has been training for the speed drills.
Everyone knows Fairley's a very active penetration style DT, but what some people want to know is whether he's going to be consistently able to handle the dirty work that doesn't get noticed, chiefly stopping the run by giving his body up to let others make tackles also. That's where weight room committment benefits him. Some people think Dareus is better at defending the run, and more versitile since he's played inside and outside, though obviously Fairley is the better pass rusher. Fairley did very well at what he was expected to, but a little dissapointing in one area...not sure why you're making a huge deal out of that.
Defensive tackles tend to show their laziness, if there is any, in their weight and Fairley at least is staying in shape and obviously has been training for the combine specifically. Could it be he is working hard just to get drafted high so he can get paid and then mail it in?
Never said or indicated this in any way.
Now you're having imaginary responses from me?
Not at all...you indicated guys with long arms can't bench (Jason Allen and his 16 reps). I offer Dumervil and the nature of the NFL drill itself to prove that notion overblown.

Now run along and pester someone else.

oubronco
03-09-2011, 03:39 PM
From watching the highlights of both Dareus and Fairley I would much rather have Dareus and it isn't even close to me

bombay
03-09-2011, 03:50 PM
From watching the highlights of both Dareus and Fairley I would much rather have Dareus and it isn't even close to me

Ditto.

oubronco
03-09-2011, 04:11 PM
Interestingly Casserly says that Dareus is the best defensive player out of Fairley, Bowers, or Peterson and says he has him graded as the #1 pick

broncogary
03-09-2011, 04:25 PM
You should go watch last years Big 12 title game, or any Husker game from last year. Fairley doesn't come close to Suh. Suh beat Texas all by himself. I have never seen a DT take over a game the way he did. Fairleys highlights dont look as good as Suh in that one game. It is silly to compare the two and it would have been great for us to have this horrible season a year earlier.

I just cant bring myself to care who they take. As long as they pick defense early and often, I will like the draft.

Earth to jhns: Texas beat Nebraska. Ha!

misturanderson
03-09-2011, 04:29 PM
From watching the highlights of both Dareus and Fairley I would much rather have Dareus and it isn't even close to me

True that.

jhns
03-09-2011, 04:43 PM
Earth to jhns: Texas beat Nebraska. Ha!

The end score was fake. Everyone knows football games aren't 60 minutes and 1 second. ;)

broncogary
03-09-2011, 04:46 PM
The end score was fake. Everyone knows football games aren't 60 minutes and 1 second. ;)

Have to agree with you on that one.

cutthemdown
03-09-2011, 05:31 PM
Bench press is important. But it's taken in context with the film and gameplay of the player.

So when you look good in the games, and then crush the bench press, hell yeah that means something.

If you suck in games and crush the bench press not really a big deal.

If you look good in games then can't lift anything it would be a warning flag.

cutthemdown
03-09-2011, 05:32 PM
Interestingly Casserly says that Dareus is the best defensive player out of Fairley, Bowers, or Peterson and says he has him graded as the #1 pick

Meanwhile 3 teenage whores have been sent to his room courtesy of Dareus agent.

DarkHorse
03-09-2011, 05:33 PM
Too much of a risk for me, i'm sold on his talent but his 'extra' stuff worries me.

Shananahan
03-09-2011, 05:54 PM
Earth to jhns: Texas beat Nebraska. Ha!
Nebraska's offense that year was a damn disgrace. They had one of the most impressive college defenses I've seen and Suh was the centerpiece. If the offense had shown up only slightly against Texas, they win that game walking away. I think the Huskers had about 100 yards or less of total offense and less than half of that was passing. Suh led the line in holding Texas to under 20 yards rushing and added 4.5 sacks all by himself. It was ridiculous, and Fairley's title game performance doesn't compare at all.

oubronco
03-09-2011, 06:17 PM
Meanwhile 3 teenage whores have been sent to his room courtesy of Dareus agent.

Hilarious!

GoBroncos84
03-09-2011, 06:22 PM
Dareus solidified his status w/ his pro day performance today. I will be immensely disappointed if he isn't a Bronco. I think he is quite clearly the better player between the top DTs

mhgaffney
03-09-2011, 07:26 PM
Ditto.

Double ditto.

Dareus > Fairley

PRBronco
03-09-2011, 07:59 PM
Too much of a risk for me, i'm sold on his talent but his 'extra' stuff worries me.

:garcia:

Hamrob
03-09-2011, 08:03 PM
Fairley = Pryce

That's the most familiar comparison I've heard.

Pryce was one hell of a talent. Perhaps the most talented D-lineman we've ever had. But, he never has quite lived up to his talent level.

Pryce was always very good...but, never great.

JDB7821
03-09-2011, 08:24 PM
Exactly what are Fariley's character concerns? He's never been arrested. Never been suspended from his team. He got called for a couple of roughing penalties? Good! We need some attitude on this defense. This is just the kind of thing that happens every year. It was the same deal last year when some people swore up and down that McCoy was better than Suh, production be damned. And normally it's just because people don't like something they see in a highlight film. C'mon!

I never thought McCoy was better than Suh on my drunkest night. The thing with Fairley is that I've become accustomed to how Thomas Dimitroff drafts. A prototypical draft pick from Dimitroff is a senior, a team captain, graduated, no concerns about character even if it happens solely on the field, and versatile within our scheme. All of that added up and applying it to the Broncos, the most likely person that fits that description is Marcell Dareus, not Nick Fairley.

epicSocialism4tw
03-09-2011, 08:39 PM
Fairley = Pryce

That's the most familiar comparison I've heard.

Pryce was one hell of a talent. Perhaps the most talented D-lineman we've ever had. But, he never has quite lived up to his talent level.

Pryce was always very good...but, never great.

If Fairley ended up as good as Pryce, he'd be more than worth the #2 pick.

shakenbake
03-09-2011, 08:44 PM
You should go watch last years Big 12 title game, or any Husker game from last year. Fairley doesn't come close to Suh. Suh beat Texas all by himself. I have never seen a DT take over a game the way he did. Fairleys highlights dont look as good as Suh in that one game. It is silly to compare the two and it would have been great for us to have this horrible season a year earlier.

I just cant bring myself to care who they take. As long as they pick defense early and often, I will like the draft.

Except they lost the game....

DenverBrit
03-09-2011, 09:20 PM
Too much of a risk for me, i'm sold on his talent but his 'extra' stuff worries me.

A lot of talk about him taking plays off and his work ethic.

Some kids just don't deliver after they have been made multi-millionaires, he has enough issues to wonder if he's one of those players.

~Crash~
03-09-2011, 09:36 PM
Stop with the talk of Dareus > Fairley if you want to make a comparison try Dareus > Taylor

for one thing they are different type players . I would consider Dareus a LDT and way stronger . Fairley Quicker and more of a Falcon DT.

Thing is I wanted at our 1st pick Fairley then Taylor in the 2nd round but as of now Taylor is looking like he has raised his stock so high he will now not be there. so now I want Dareus

NFLBRONCO
03-09-2011, 09:50 PM
Stop with the talk of Dareus > Fairley if you want to make a comparison try Dareus > Taylor

for one thing they are different type players . I would consider Dareus a LDT and way stronger . Fairley Quicker and more of a Falcon DT.

Thing is I wanted at our 1st pick Fairley then Taylor in the 2nd round but as of now Taylor is looking like he has raised his stock so high he will now not be there. so now I want Dareus

After today I'm thinking Dareus might go #1.

schaaf
03-09-2011, 10:06 PM
did anyone hear how Dareus' pro day went?

NFLBRONCO
03-09-2011, 10:13 PM
did anyone hear how Dareus' pro day went?

Very very well

bronco0608
03-09-2011, 10:19 PM
Suh was a 5th year senior when he had his dominant season.

If you compare Fairley's third year college stats with Suhs, its no comparison:

Suh had 1 sack his third year in college; Fairley had 12 sacks

Plus, Fairley did it against better competition (SEC vs Big 12) than Suh did.

Fairley it is.

schaaf
03-09-2011, 10:20 PM
Very very well


any articles to go with it?

razorwire77
03-09-2011, 10:32 PM
any articles to go with it?

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/03/09/dareus-ingram-wow-scouts-at-bama-pro-day/

All 32 teams were present, including John Elway and Brian Xanders of the Broncos,

Kaylore
03-09-2011, 10:43 PM
Now run along and pester someone else.
See this is why you have the reputation that you do around the board. You think everyone who disagrees with you is personally attacking you and then freak out.

By the way, I'm not seeing where it says Fairley even did the bench press. I thought he skipped it at his pro day.

footstepsfrom#27
03-10-2011, 03:22 AM
See this is why you have the reputation that you do around the board. You think everyone who disagrees with you is personally attacking you and then freak out.

By the way, I'm not seeing where it says Fairley even did the bench press. I thought he skipped it at his pro day.
I don't have any "reputation" except among you and your pals who don't like my stands on various political or racial issues, and you've pushed that agenda several times. I don't "freak out" because I notice your silly attempts at baiting me....nice try, no go play with your star trek dolls.

Pro day? We were talking combine.

footstepsfrom#27
03-10-2011, 03:26 AM
Well, to be fair, the draft "experts" keep mentioning it, though they never really elaborate. Oh, and he had his picture taken with JaMarcus Russell, and anyone who would have their picture taken with him is clearly lazy and a character risk.
Google it up...he and Jamarcus Russell were high school pals and remain close, having grown up down the street from each other. I don't think it's an issue, but some people do...guilt by association. By itself it's nothing...but it's part of a larger set of supposed issues. How legit is all this? Hard to know at this point...but it's a bit worrisome if you're talking the 2nd pick in the draft. That said...Fairley might very well prove everyone wrong and I hope he does. We just can't afford to miss on this one.

McDman
03-10-2011, 04:20 AM
He had an amazing season but his Oregon game was highly overrated. He was literally left unblocked on about ten different plays and I think it was part of Oregon's game plan. They relied on misdirections to fool him but they didn't.

misturanderson
03-10-2011, 07:31 AM
He had an amazing season but his Oregon game was highly overrated. He was literally left unblocked on about ten different plays and I think it was part of Oregon's game plan. They relied on misdirections to fool him but they didn't.

That's what I saw too. When they actually double-teamed him, they drove him completely out of the play and scored a TD. TWO SEPARATE TIMES. Just an idiotic game plan by the ducks.

BroncoInferno
03-10-2011, 08:12 AM
Google it up...he and Jamarcus Russell were high school pals and remain close, having grown up down the street from each other. I don't think it's an issue, but some people do...guilt by association. By itself it's nothing...but it's part of a larger set of supposed issues. How legit is all this? Hard to know at this point...but it's a bit worrisome if you're talking the 2nd pick in the draft. That said...Fairley might very well prove everyone wrong and I hope he does. We just can't afford to miss on this one.

I would imagine pretty much all of us have at least one buddy from back in the day who is a slacker/underachiever. I am not a guilt by association person. I want concrete examples of his alleged douchebaggery/laziness, and I haven't really heard any.

Cito Pelon
03-10-2011, 08:19 AM
Why not Bowers?

Yah, he brings some credentials if they go DE, but he's been out of sight so out of mind. I keep hearing from some talking heads that Quinn has more potential as a passrusher. And like I said, i haven't been hearing/reading about Bowers because of his knee injury.

Kaylore
03-10-2011, 11:23 AM
I don't have any "reputation" except among you and your pals who don't like my stands on various political or racial issues, and you've pushed that agenda several times. I don't "freak out" because I notice your silly attempts at baiting me....nice try, no go play with your star trek dolls.

Pro day? We were talking combine.

I honestly don't know and don't care about your politics. See you're making my point. Anyone disagreeing with you is apparently now part of a political and racial conspiracy in your eyes. Maybe I just think your post was wrong? No, no. It is clearly more sinister than that!

And he didn't bench at the combine either. Not sure where you're getting the number from.

Taco John
03-10-2011, 12:06 PM
He had an amazing season but his Oregon game was highly overrated. He was literally left unblocked on about ten different plays and I think it was part of Oregon's game plan. They relied on misdirections to fool him but they didn't.

Their gameplan was to let Nick Fairley run loose and unblocked?

Taco John
03-10-2011, 12:08 PM
It cracks me up that some people don't want Nick Fairley because he hung out with Jamarcus Russell in high school.

epicSocialism4tw
03-10-2011, 12:09 PM
Their gameplan was to let Nick Fairley run loose and unblocked?

Ha!

Given the dominant season he had up to that point...that would be enough to get ol' Chip Kelly fired.

epicSocialism4tw
03-10-2011, 12:09 PM
It cracks me up that some people don't want Nick Fairley because he hung out with Jamarcus Russell in high school.

Yeah, it wasnt like they werent both blue chip athletes with common experiences or anything.

epicSocialism4tw
03-10-2011, 12:11 PM
The play that impressed me most about Fairley in that Oregon game was the way he stuffed that 4th and goal from the 1 yard line. He got leverage on two players and pushed back into the backfield. Great play.

Taco John
03-10-2011, 12:18 PM
"Alright guys... here's what were going to do - We're NOT gonna block Nick Fairley. It'll be great - it'll confuse the hell out of him - catch him completely by suprise. He won't know what didn't hit him."

PRBronco
03-10-2011, 12:21 PM
"Alright guys... here's what were going to do - We're NOT gonna block Nick Fairley. It'll be great - it'll confuse the hell out of him - catch him completely by suprise. He won't know what didn't hit him."

"We're gonna destroy his draft stock by making people question the level of competition he faced!"

epicSocialism4tw
03-10-2011, 12:23 PM
"We're gonna destroy his draft stock by making people question the level of competition he faced!"

"If we dont block Fairley, we can double team someone else!"

broncogary
03-10-2011, 12:28 PM
"Alright guys... here's what were going to do - We're NOT gonna block Nick Fairley. It'll be great - it'll confuse the hell out of him - catch him completely by suprise. He won't know what didn't hit him."

That's exactly what the Broncos did against the Texans' Mario Williams in a Thursday night game a few years back. He got two sacks, totally unblocked, and got to his first pro bowl because of it.

Kaylore
03-10-2011, 01:08 PM
"Alright guys... here's what were going to do - We're NOT gonna block Nick Fairley. It'll be great - it'll confuse the hell out of him - catch him completely by suprise. He won't know what didn't hit him."

Actually in a triple option you often have to let one guy through. He still made plays though.

Taco John
03-10-2011, 02:18 PM
Actually in a triple option you often have to let one guy through. He still made plays though.

I think you could pick better guys than a 6-5, 300 lb. beast to give a free pass into your backfield.

bendog
03-10-2011, 02:43 PM
TJ, he's off the chart physically, but he's got purple dank/IHOP potential.

alkemical
03-10-2011, 02:50 PM
Grip n Sip...biatch!

OABB
03-10-2011, 02:53 PM
"Alright guys... here's what were going to do - We're NOT gonna block Nick Fairley. It'll be great - it'll confuse the hell out of him - catch him completely by suprise. He won't know what didn't hit him."

As funny as this post is, it isn't far off from what happened. Watch the game again. He was unblocked many times. NOw, I don't believe it was in the gameplan, but clearly it is what happened.