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footstepsfrom#27
03-08-2011, 07:41 PM
Don't look now but Von Miller has gained 9 pounds since the Senior Bowl, to 246 apparently. He was 230 just a month before the Senior Bowl, meaning he's added a whopping 16 pounds, so I'm hoping he came by it honestly, but it brings up two interesting questions...maybe three.

Can this guy play MLB? Has he lost any speed at this weight? Why wasn't he bigger in college if he can gain weight this easily?

I wasn't to interested when he weighed 230 or even 237 since people were talking about him as an OLB and we're trying to get bigger and more physical, but he ran a 4.52 and reportedly also a 4.46, which would make him a speeding bullet at MLB...if he can play there.

Thoughts?

primetime714
03-08-2011, 07:51 PM
Not sure if he could play MLB now, but I'm not willing to spend #2 pick to find out. He's a prototypical 3-4 OLB. While he could play in a 4-3 its a waste of his talents and it would be a waste of our pick.

rugbythug
03-08-2011, 07:56 PM
Why would you take a very talented player and put him in a position to fail. He can play for us but not at MLB. I think he will be great.

TheReverend
03-08-2011, 08:12 PM
I think it'd be a waste of his premier talent of edge pass rushing. Blitzing up the middle is a different ball game of mauling the guard in front of you and creating enough separation to slip through, sneaking through a pulling guard in play action passes or blown assignments.

BroncoMan4ever
03-08-2011, 08:16 PM
Don't look now but Von Miller has gained 9 pounds since the Senior Bowl, to 246 apparently. He was 230 just a month before the Senior Bowl, meaning he's added a whopping 16 pounds, so I'm hoping he came by it honestly, but it brings up two interesting questions...maybe three.

Can this guy play MLB? Has he lost any speed at this weight? Why wasn't he bigger in college if he can gain weight this easily?

I wasn't to interested when he weighed 230 or even 237 since people were talking about him as an OLB and we're trying to get bigger and more physical, but he ran a 4.52 and reportedly also a 4.46, which would make him a speeding bullet at MLB...if he can play there.

Thoughts?

actually Fox prefers speed to size at the LB position. a guy like Woodyard is someone he would be very high on. his LB corps in Carolina was always in the 230-240lbs range.

cutthemdown
03-08-2011, 08:25 PM
Von Miller probably only a target if we get a trade offer and move down to say around the 7th pick. I guess there could be a run on QBS and Broncos make moves down?

I just don't see it though. No team will want to part with enough picks.

Truthfully even a 5 spot drop in first round takes more then a 2nd round pick. It would have to be like the first pick in 2nd round etc or have a 4th round pick added in.

cutthemdown
03-08-2011, 08:25 PM
If Broncos keep DJ then they are fine at weakside linebacker. DJ starts, Woodyard backs him up. The main problem with DJ is his style is best suited to having some physical players in front of him. Broncos dline been so soft, our small linebackers get pushed around and let the olineman get there hooks in them on the second level. TE's also.

footstepsfrom#27
03-08-2011, 08:29 PM
Not sure if he could play MLB now, but I'm not willing to spend #2 pick to find out. He's a prototypical 3-4 OLB. While he could play in a 4-3 its a waste of his talents and it would be a waste of our pick.
First of all, I"m not talking about taking hiim at #2, because that's where we need to take Peterson if we want him. But if we trade down...say to 5 or 6, that's a different story. Second, he's not a "prototypical 3-4 OLB"...those guys are 6'4", 260 so he's still a little undersized. In any case I see no risk in looking at him there if we wind up drafting him. People have been saying since Al Wilson retired that we are weak up the middle and it's true. We may or not need him there, I'm simply curious if he could play there. MLB in the 4-3 defense is every bit as key a position as the OLB in a 3-4 is, maybe more so.

I'm asking if he's versitile enough to make this a legitimate option. Edge rushing pass rushers don't always pan out as OLB's in the NFL, just curious if people think he can do it in the middle as well. People are raving about this kids athleticism, so if he's that big a stud, shouldn't he be able to slide over if neeed? I like bigger interior MLB's and smaller guys on the wings in the 4-3...but obviously Fox may have other ideas.

Just food for thought...

footstepsfrom#27
03-08-2011, 08:32 PM
Von Miller probably only a target if we get a trade offer and move down to say around the 7th pick. I guess there could be a run on QBS and Broncos make moves down?

I just don't see it though. No team will want to part with enough picks.

Truthfully even a 5 spot drop in first round takes more then a 2nd round pick. It would have to be like the first pick in 2nd round etc or have a 4th round pick added in.[/QUOTE]
Cam Newton is the key. Somebody may fall in love with this guy enough to move up above Buffalo to get him. If so, a move down a few spots (not past 5 or 6 though) might get them another 2nd and who knows what else if there's some competition. I'm just considering all their options.

Shananahan
03-08-2011, 08:33 PM
First of all, I"m not talking about taking hiim at #2, because that's where we need to take Peterson if we want him. But if we trade down...say to 5 or 6, that's a different story.
No, it's pretty much the same story. You'd be drafting a guy at the very top of the first round and putting him at a position which he's never played and would be unable to utilize his greatest strengths. It makes no sense to me at all.

I think you are way, way, way too wrapped up in size/speed ratios.

Shananahan
03-08-2011, 08:36 PM
Honestly I've never understood any of the consideration for Von Miller with our first round selection. Unless we somehow magically drop out of the top ten, I would hate to be drafting him over other players who could help us more. He doesn't fit our defense and I'm sick of trying to fit square pegs into round holes. We should only be looking at the best defensive lineman or Peterson while we have this opportunity.

footstepsfrom#27
03-08-2011, 08:37 PM
actually Fox prefers speed to size at the LB position. a guy like Woodyard is someone he would be very high on. his LB corps in Carolina was always in the 230-240lbs range.
All Carolina's LB's were under 240, but I hardly think we can read into that that he doesn't like size. Besides, they were 1-15 with this setup...in any case this kid's got the speed as well as size.

footstepsfrom#27
03-08-2011, 08:43 PM
No, it's pretty much the same story. You'd be drafting a guy at the very top of the first round and putting him at a position which he's never played and would be unable to utilize his greatest strengths. It makes no sense to me at all.

I think you are way, way, way too wrapped up in size/speed ratios.
Why do you make the determination that if he doesn't work at MLB he'd be a bust? I merely asked if people think he's capable of playing there. Say he isn't..so what? He goes back to the OLB spot then...no problem. Second, I'm not talking about the top of the draft, but somewhere around 5-7 if we traded down. Who else at #7 for example, is going to be there if we do trade down? Fairley, Dareus and Bowers are probably long gone. Miller is the fastest riser in the draft...I frankly do NOT want him. I'm merely ASKING (NOT SUGGESTING) if people think he can play there. Why? Because as someone pointed out, DJ can play the Will and right now at least it looks like Ayers is penciled in at the Sam. That leaves our gaping hole at MLB and here's a kid people say is one of the best athletes in the draft, he's fast and he's nearly 250 pounds now. What's so odd about asking if he can play that spot even if he's not done so yet? I'm sure if they wind up taking him they find the right spot for him, I'm just curious if people who have seen him play think he can play inside or not. The same question is being asked about Dareus, Bowers and even Peterson...can they play another position as well?

BTW...I'm wrapped up in size and speed ratios because we are;

1) small
2) slow

Makes perfect sense to me.

Shananahan
03-08-2011, 08:49 PM
I'm not talking about the top of the draft, but somewhere around 5-7 if we traded down.
Do you have another term for that part of the draft?

Also, Ayers isn't playing SAM. I haven't seen any indication that he will be anywhere but DE.

BroncoMan4ever
03-08-2011, 08:51 PM
All Carolina's LB's were under 240, but I hardly think we can read into that that he doesn't like size. Besides, they were 1-15 with this setup...in any case this kid's got the speed as well as size.

i'm not saying he is against having size at the position. just that he prefers speed to size. with that in mind, i doubt the 10 additional pounds Miller has put on was truly necessary for Fox to have been interested in him if he ever had any interest in him

footstepsfrom#27
03-08-2011, 09:09 PM
Do you have another term for that part of the draft?

Also, Ayers isn't playing SAM. I haven't seen any indication that he will be anywhere but DE.
Ayers is pretty light at 275 to play DE on the strong side. Maybe he can bulk up.

My other term for "very top of the draft" is "#1 pick overall". I consider the 7th pick not the very top of the draft.

In any case, why is it a problem to ask if a guy can play another position? If he can't...he doesn't...seems simple enough since he can always play the same spot he had...but people are asking if Dareus can play inside since he played the DE in a 3-4 spot...same with Bowers. Some people even want to know if Peterson can play safety. What if they CAN play inside and he's a stud? I'm just asking if he CAN, not saying he HAS TO.

footstepsfrom#27
03-08-2011, 09:11 PM
i'm not saying he is against having size at the position. just that he prefers speed to size. with that in mind, i doubt the 10 additional pounds Miller has put on was truly necessary for Fox to have been interested in him if he ever had any interest in him
He's traveling to his pro day so I assume he has some interest. Then again maybe he's a Shanny type that likes to throw out **** about his intentions, who knows?

OABB
03-08-2011, 09:12 PM
Is this broncomania?

bronco militia
03-08-2011, 09:48 PM
Von Miller gets the dreaded Vernon Gholston comparison

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 8, 2011, 12:56 PM EST
Could Vernon Gholston become the new Mike Mamula?

In the past, any Combine workout wonder was inevitably compared to Mamula as a cautionary tale. Now it’s possible that any deceptively productive, potentially stiff pass rusher could be compared to Gholston.

“[Miller's] got some Vernon Gholston in him,” former NFL scout Dave Razzano told Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com.

Razzano spent two decades as an NFL Scout. His opinion differs sharply from those who see Miller as one of the safer picks in the draft.

“I’m not a big Von Miller fan,” Razzano said. “In looking at Big-12 tape, he does not have a motor. He doesn’t chase hard. They run at him, and he doesn’t fight off blockers. When he gets sacks, a lot of times he’s not getting blocked. He’s a one-move guy.”

Miller was a fast riser after a huge senior season, but was seen as an inconsistent performer before.

He seemed to win over most skeptics at the Senior Bowl, but clearly some doubters remain.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/03/08/11/Razzano-Some-team-will-make-mistake-on-M/landing.html?full_args=03/08/11/Razzano-Some-team-will-make-mistake-on-M/landing&blockID=435699&feedID=5936

footstepsfrom#27
03-08-2011, 09:56 PM
Von Miller gets the dreaded Vernon Gholston comparison

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 8, 2011, 12:56 PM EST
Could Vernon Gholston become the new Mike Mamula?

In the past, any Combine workout wonder was inevitably compared to Mamula as a cautionary tale. Now its possible that any deceptively productive, potentially stiff pass rusher could be compared to Gholston.

[Miller's] got some Vernon Gholston in him, former NFL scout Dave Razzano told Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com.

Razzano spent two decades as an NFL Scout. His opinion differs sharply from those who see Miller as one of the safer picks in the draft.

Im not a big Von Miller fan, Razzano said. In looking at Big-12 tape, he does not have a motor. He doesnt chase hard. They run at him, and he doesnt fight off blockers. When he gets sacks, a lot of times hes not getting blocked. Hes a one-move guy.

Miller was a fast riser after a huge senior season, but was seen as an inconsistent performer before.
He seemed to win over most skeptics at the Senior Bowl, but clearly some doubters remain.
I'm leery of fast risers also, but in fairness to Miller, he had a bigger junior season than he did last year with 16 1/2 sacks and 21 TFL's. I'd hardly say he's a workout warrior or one year wonder. I'm more interested in how much he did in pass coverage since he seems to have mostly been an edge rusher in college...maybe that's innacurate though, not sure.

alkemical
03-08-2011, 10:02 PM
I don'nt want this guy.

epicSocialism4tw
03-08-2011, 10:14 PM
Von Miller probably only a target if we get a trade offer and move down to say around the 7th pick. I guess there could be a run on QBS and Broncos make moves down?

I just don't see it though. No team will want to part with enough picks.

Truthfully even a 5 spot drop in first round takes more then a 2nd round pick. It would have to be like the first pick in 2nd round etc or have a 4th round pick added in.

I dont know, man...Miller is an impressive player. Look at what he produced with a terrible A&M team. He basically made them competitive.

He produced on the field and in the locker room. The guy was the team leader and delivered big time in getting A&M back to respectability. He was awesome over his entire college career.

He didnt just rack up stats against the little sisters of the poor either. He was a dominant player against the great offenses of the Big 12.

He's a natural leader, and he's a freak athlete as well.

He could end up being a star. The ceiling for him is very high.

epicSocialism4tw
03-08-2011, 10:16 PM
I'm leery of fast risers also, but in fairness to Miller, he had a bigger junior season than he did last year with 16 1/2 sacks and 21 TFL's. I'd hardly say he's a workout warrior or one year wonder. I'm more interested in how much he did in pass coverage since he seems to have mostly been an edge rusher in college...maybe that's innacurate though, not sure.

Miller was awesome over his whole collegiate career.

The idea that he was a fast riser is just propagated by people who didnt know about him before. Its natural that a player at A&M would get overlooked.

He's a national award winner with a deep history. The guy is anything but a one year wonder.

BroncoMan4ever
03-08-2011, 10:20 PM
He's traveling to his pro day so I assume he has some interest. Then again maybe he's a Shanny type that likes to throw out **** about his intentions, who knows?

truthfully, with the number 2 pick, i don't really think you can pull off the shanny smokescreen.

given the sheer amount of guaranteed money(potentially) the number 2 pick will garner and the fact that that pick is being envisioned as a cornerstone of the franchise for the next decade , you have to be as sure as is humanly possible on the guy you are targeting. with that in mind, if there is any interest at all in a guy, the holy triumvirate will meet him and speak to him at least once.

also with so few players at the top of the draft that are worthy of the #2 pick, the smokescreen wouldn't work as everyone in the league or following closely knows there is an extremely select and small group of potential targets that Denver could realistically be going for. it isn't like the middle of the 1st round where there are numerous options and a pick from out of nowhere that was unexpected can be made. the top 5 picks tend to be decided on and the only thing remaining is which one goes where.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-08-2011, 11:43 PM
Von Miller gets the dreaded Vernon Gholston comparison

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 8, 2011, 12:56 PM EST
Could Vernon Gholston become the new Mike Mamula?

In the past, any Combine workout wonder was inevitably compared to Mamula as a cautionary tale. Now its possible that any deceptively productive, potentially stiff pass rusher could be compared to Gholston.

[Miller's] got some Vernon Gholston in him, former NFL scout Dave Razzano told Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com.

Razzano spent two decades as an NFL Scout. His opinion differs sharply from those who see Miller as one of the safer picks in the draft.

Im not a big Von Miller fan, Razzano said. In looking at Big-12 tape, he does not have a motor. He doesnt chase hard. They run at him, and he doesnt fight off blockers. When he gets sacks, a lot of times hes not getting blocked. Hes a one-move guy.

Miller was a fast riser after a huge senior season, but was seen as an inconsistent performer before.

He seemed to win over most skeptics at the Senior Bowl, but clearly some doubters remain.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/03/08/11/Razzano-Some-team-will-make-mistake-on-M/landing.html?full_args=03/08/11/Razzano-Some-team-will-make-mistake-on-M/landing&blockID=435699&feedID=5936

I dont buy this at all. Methinks some scout is throwing this out there for negative press in an effort to maybe make people think twice.

epicSocialism4tw
03-08-2011, 11:58 PM
I dont buy this at all. Methinks some scout is throwing this out there for negative press in an effort to maybe make people think twice.

I think you're right.

Miller was a dominant player in college and won a national award. Dude's no combine wonder.

footstepsfrom#27
03-09-2011, 12:02 AM
I dont know, man...Miller is an impressive player. Look at what he produced with a terrible A&M team. He basically made them competitive.
They were 9-4 with wins over Oklahoma, Texas and Nebraska and they averaged 32 points a game, hardly a terrible team.

My primary concern is whether he can drop into coverage and do other things besides rush the passer.

epicSocialism4tw
03-09-2011, 12:05 AM
They were 9-4 with wins over Oklahoma, Texas and Nebraska and they averaged 32 points a game, hardly a terrible team.

My primary concern is whether he can drop into coverage and do other things besides rush the passer.

I cant tell you about that, but apparently thats one of the reasons why people like him so much.

Shananahan
03-09-2011, 12:08 AM
I like Von Miller a lot from everything I've seen of him off the field to what I've seen him do on it. He always played very well against my team and I'd be excited about him if he were drafted by Denver, but if it was in the top half of the first round I'd be upset. I just don't like the idea of drafting somebody early with the hopes that they will be able to do in the NFL what they did very little of, if any, in college.

Hamrob
03-09-2011, 08:10 PM
Von Miller most closely reflects Willis from San Fran.

The guy would play on the weak side and reap havoc for offensive coordinators. We need to draft another "Wilson" to play MLB for us!!!

I could live with Miller at #2. I'd also be fine with Peterson or Dareus at #2. I'm not big on Bowers or Quinn.

bronco0608
03-09-2011, 10:22 PM
Von Miller will never, ever, ever, ever play MLB in the NFL. And if he does, its because he is a bust.

Von Miller at MLB? Huh?

How about Blaine Gilbert at SS? Or Cam Newton at DE? Or JJ Watts at OT?

Why even start a thread about this?

Broncoman13
03-09-2011, 10:47 PM
People had questions about guys like Terrell Suggs, Dave Ball and Elvis Dumervil as well. There were questions about each of their abilities to translate to the NFL level. They have all proved that they can get after the QB just like they did at the collegiate level. I don't think Miller is the best value at #2, but if we trade down... He is a player you absolutely have to consider!

footstepsfrom#27
03-10-2011, 03:12 AM
Von Miller will never, ever, ever, ever play MLB in the NFL. And if he does, its because he is a bust.

Von Miller at MLB? Huh?

How about Blaine Gilbert at SS? Or Cam Newton at DE? Or JJ Watts at OT?

Why even start a thread about this?
Get over yourself, I can start any thread I want to, did this hurt your feelings or something?...there's nothing crazy about a linebacker switching to play another linebacking position, it happens all the time, and in fact it's happening on this team with DJ Williams every year. That equates to Cam Newton at DE for you or Blaine Gilbert at SS? Are you nuts? The guy has the size/speed and apparently instincts...I don't care if he plays it or not I simply posed the question since the guy's put on 16 pounds in a month. I haven't watched him enough at A&M to decide how his game translates...it was just a point to discuss since people have repeatedly made the point about Wilson being missed.

footstepsfrom#27
03-10-2011, 03:17 AM
Von Miller most closely reflects Willis from San Fran.

The guy would play on the weak side and reap havoc for offensive coordinators. We need to draft another "Wilson" to play MLB for us!!!
Patrick Willis plays inside LB, not the weak side. Not a bad comparison maybe...speed is comparable but I think Willis is faster. I don't want Miller at #2...maybe around 8 if they trade back.

cutthemdown
03-10-2011, 04:58 AM
If Miller that good and he's a target then broncos should move down and grab more picks.

No reason to take Miller 2nd in the draft IMO. We could probably go all the way to the Cards spot and still get Miller?

cutthemdown
03-10-2011, 05:04 AM
Patrick Willis plays inside LB, not the weak side. Not a bad comparison maybe...speed is comparable but I think Willis is faster. I don't want Miller at #2...maybe around 8 if they trade back.

If there is a rookie salary cap it could happen. The trade value chart will be redone so we don't know how much value say 5 spots in this draft would be. The Jimmy Johnson valued those high picks a lot but i have read since that chart out the window. But that may have been because of the high rookie wages.

For us to drop to say the middle of round one, I think it would cost a 2nd round pick this yr, and a first round pick next yr. Maybe even more. That pick could be really valuable now.

Cito Pelon
03-10-2011, 09:25 AM
Seems like Miller will do fine in the NFL, but not at MLB in a 4-3. He's gonna play outside in a 4-3 or ILB in a 3-4.

Remember Donnie Edwards? Miller seems like a better Donnie Edwards, and Edwards had a dang good career. Versatile guy, fast, solid, steady, smart, skilled football player. Miller seems like a can't-miss kind of player, whoever gets him I think will love the guy.

But for Denver, yeah like people have said, #2 is too high, but if they trade down he'd be a fine pick. The guy is gonna produce.

TheReverend
03-10-2011, 10:01 AM
Seems like Miller will do fine in the NFL, but not at MLB in a 4-3. He's gonna play outside in a 4-3 or ILB in a 3-4.

Remember Donnie Edwards? Miller seems like a better Donnie Edwards, and Edwards had a dang good career. Versatile guy, fast, solid, steady, smart, skilled football player. Miller seems like a can't-miss kind of player, whoever gets him I think will love the guy.

But for Denver, yeah like people have said, #2 is too high, but if they trade down he'd be a fine pick. The guy is gonna produce.

...What?

schaaf
03-10-2011, 10:03 AM
Von Miller will never, ever, ever, ever play MLB in the NFL. And if he does, its because he is a bust.

Von Miller at MLB? Huh?

How about Blaine Gilbert at SS? Or Cam Newton at DE? Or JJ Watts at OT?

Why even start a thread about this?

I really don't understand your comparisons... DJ Williams went from Weakside to Mike and then back and forth, so it is a good question to ask if Miller would be able to play MLB... that is nothing like Blaine Gabbert switching to SS you idiot.

schaaf
03-10-2011, 10:05 AM
Patrick Willis plays inside LB, not the weak side. Not a bad comparison maybe...speed is comparable but I think Willis is faster. I don't want Miller at #2...maybe around 8 if they trade back.

they're about the exact same speed, Miller ran a 4.49 at his pro day and Willis ran a 4.49 also

Cito Pelon
03-10-2011, 10:57 AM
...What?

Miller could play OLB in a 3-4. Is that what your "What?" was meant to signify?

I think he's better suited to ILB in an NFL 3-4. Whatever, I think Miller will be a great NFL LB. Dude seems like he has all the tools.

epicSocialism4tw
03-10-2011, 11:53 AM
Miller could play OLB in a 3-4. Is that what your "What?" was meant to signify?

I think he's better suited to ILB in an NFL 3-4. Whatever, I think Miller will be a great NFL LB. Dude seems like he has all the tools.

He's a natural leader as well. I wouldnt be upset at all if Denver drafted him.

Really, I wouldnt be upset if they drafted any of those top guys. I would be disappointed if they draft Peterson because that would mean that the franchise has yet to learn its lesson (you win in the NFL from the point of attack outward), but I think he's a good prospect too.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-10-2011, 11:59 AM
I really don't understand your comparisons... DJ Williams went from Weakside to Mike and then back and forth, so it is a good question to ask if Miller would be able to play MLB... that is nothing like Blaine Gabbert switching to SS you idiot.

He said Blaine Gilbert, not Gabbert :D

Cito Pelon
03-10-2011, 12:02 PM
He's a natural leader as well. I wouldnt be upset at all if Denver drafted him.

Really, I wouldnt be upset if they drafted any of those top guys. I would be disappointed if they draft Peterson because that would mean that the franchise has yet to learn its lesson (you win in the NFL from the point of attack outward), but I think he's a good prospect too.

Yeah, there's solid front seven prospects that Denver needs more than Peterson.

Peterson has the return abilities and I respect that, but that's not enough to put him over solid front seven guys.

epicSocialism4tw
03-10-2011, 12:08 PM
Yeah, there's solid front seven prospects that Denver needs more than Peterson.

Peterson has the return abilities and I respect that, but that's not enough to put him over solid front seven guys.

This franchise literally has not drafted a blue chip DT since Pryce.

That's a loooong time, and the lack of commitment has resulted in a lack of talent. That lack of talent is directly related to our crappy run defense, which is directly related to our crappy overall defense.

listopencil
03-10-2011, 12:19 PM
TJ "The Dude" Johnson over at "It's All Over, Fat Man!" mentioned that he wouldn't be surprised if the Broncos drafted him.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3134335&postcount=1

gyldenlove
03-10-2011, 12:22 PM
I would love him at SLB, he can rush the passer, he would be a mismatch for most TEs, he can cover, he is strong enough to hold up against the rush on that side.

KO5K
03-10-2011, 12:45 PM
Broncos working out Miller. (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Broncos-working-out-Von-Miller-today.html)

The Denver Broncos are working out Texas A&M outside linebacker Von Miller today in College Station, according to a league source with knowledge of the situation.

Not sure I like it at #2.

epicSocialism4tw
03-10-2011, 09:51 PM
Broncos working out Miller. (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Broncos-working-out-Von-Miller-today.html)



Not sure I like it at #2.

Theyre just exploring all options. Expect them to meet with Bowers too.

bronco0608
03-10-2011, 10:01 PM
I really don't understand your comparisons... DJ Williams went from Weakside to Mike and then back and forth, so it is a good question to ask if Miller would be able to play MLB... that is nothing like Blaine Gabbert switching to SS you idiot.

Von Miller has 28 sacks over the past two seasons. Why in the world would he be moved to inside lb? Because he has the size for it? That's stupid.

Von Miller is being mentioned as a top five pick because he can get the QB down, not because he has the instincts to play MLB. Why would you move him? Once again, that's stupid.

There are so many reasons why Von Miller at MLB is an idiotic idea.

1) MLB don't get drafted high

2) OLB who rack up 28 sacks in two seasons are not drafted in the top ten to be moved to a position where he main responsiblity is to tackle, not get after the qb

3) Nothing about Von Miller and his whole career even warrants a mention of being moved to MLB. He is not a tackle machine. Can he even read a defense?

Please, don't be so stupid. You wanna move Gabbert to SS, right? He's got the size for it? Hell, Gabbert would be an ideal MLB!

footstepsfrom#27
03-10-2011, 11:20 PM
Von Miller has 28 sacks over the past two seasons. Why in the world would he be moved to inside lb? Because he has the size for it? That's stupid.

Von Miller is being mentioned as a top five pick because he can get the QB down, not because he has the instincts to play MLB. Why would you move him? Once again, that's stupid.

There are so many reasons why Von Miller at MLB is an idiotic idea.

1) MLB don't get drafted high

2) OLB who rack up 28 sacks in two seasons are not drafted in the top ten to be moved to a position where he main responsiblity is to tackle, not get after the qb

3) Nothing about Von Miller and his whole career even warrants a mention of being moved to MLB. He is not a tackle machine. Can he even read a defense?

Please, don't be so stupid. You wanna move Gabbert to SS, right? He's got the size for it? Hell, Gabbert would be an ideal MLB!
What's really stupid is your odd response to the question.

ZONA
03-10-2011, 11:47 PM
Ayers is pretty light at 275 to play DE on the strong side. Maybe he can bulk up.



Well he is still a LB even though he lines up to rush often. You get heavier then 275 and your ability to cover the flats goes way down. 265-275 I think is the ideal weight for OLB in a 3-4. Heavy enough to not wear down when going against OL all day and still light enough to cover some shallow routes and flats.

HAT
03-10-2011, 11:57 PM
What's really stupid is your odd response to the question.

Apparently....Loads of people don't know the difference between the words could and should.

cutthemdown
03-11-2011, 01:37 AM
Well he is still a LB even though he lines up to rush often. You get heavier then 275 and your ability to cover the flats goes way down. 265-275 I think is the ideal weight for OLB in a 3-4. Heavy enough to not wear down when going against OL all day and still light enough to cover some shallow routes and flats.

I think we will look for some bigger DT and DE. Maybe guys that can sort of slide around depending on down and distance. Then we will pair what we have with them in a big rotation.

They may try to let doom rest some on early downs then turn him loose. He may not play every down, but still play a ton.

It might not be Doom on one side Ayers on the other. Hopefully they will both find a role and do well at it. But who knows it could come from the same position rather then opposite sides.

chrisp
03-11-2011, 06:28 AM
If there was another Al Wilson in this draft and we weren't sold on the DT options then I would be all for taking him at #2. However there isn't. The linebackers people are talking about as going that high - like Von Miller - have all primarily distinguished themselves as pass rushers. Now I don't think its a stupid question to ask if Von Miller can play MLB, but I don't think you draft in the top ten, or even the first round, with the plan to move that player to an unfamiliar position straight away.

4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB is OK, its still an edge rusher (although pass coverage rears its head as an issue here). But generally speaking when you are picking top-10 you generally want a guy who has excelled for four years doing in college exactly what you want him to do n the pros. You only move him somewhere else if he doesn't work out at that. Drafting guys as projects from day one comes later on in the draft.

Now if someone like Von Miller slips out ofthe first...now we're talking....however I still think these speed rushers will project better to OLB ina 4-3. Speed and athleticism really helps, but the main thing a top-notch MLB needs is the spidey-sense to sniff out the play and get yourself inthe right place at the right time. That was what made Wilson so great. Mecklenburg moved from pass-rushing DE/OLB to one of the inside spots in our 3-4 late in his career, but he was always a very smart guy and one of the most versatile defensive players we've ever had. Guys that have been knocking QBs over for a few years in college, valuable as that is, have not yet proved they can consistently stop runs on 4th and one.....

footstepsfrom#27
03-11-2011, 07:58 AM
Apparently....Loads of people don't know the difference between the words could and should.
Right...or alot of others either. It gets so tiresome sometimes.

footstepsfrom#27
03-11-2011, 08:00 AM
Well he is still a LB even though he lines up to rush often. You get heavier then 275 and your ability to cover the flats goes way down. 265-275 I think is the ideal weight for OLB in a 3-4. Heavy enough to not wear down when going against OL all day and still light enough to cover some shallow routes and flats.
I thought I read that they would be moving him back to the DE spot along with Elvis as well. Didn't they say that a week or two ago? He's not fast or mobile enough to play OLB in the 4-3 IMO.

misturanderson
03-11-2011, 10:39 AM
I thought I read that they would be moving him back to the DE spot along with Elvis as well. Didn't they say that a week or two ago? He's not fast or mobile enough to play OLB in the 4-3 IMO.

There is absolutely no question that Ayers will not be playing OLB in a 4-3. If they wanted to go really crazy they could have him play MLB, where he played in high school, but I seriously doubt that has crossed anyone's mind as he is a natural fit at strongside DE. He does need to put on some of the weight that he lost to play 3-4 OLB though.

Pony Boy
11-19-2012, 10:33 AM
I dont know, man...Miller is an impressive player. Look at what he produced with a terrible A&M team. He basically made them competitive.

He produced on the field and in the locker room. The guy was the team leader and delivered big time in getting A&M back to respectability. He was awesome over his entire college career.

He didnt just rack up stats against the little sisters of the poor either. He was a dominant player against the great offenses of the Big 12.

He's a natural leader, and he's a freak athlete as well.

He could end up being a star. The ceiling for him is very high.



Winner: ...... Who would of thought Epic would be right-on .......

Pony Boy
11-19-2012, 10:36 AM
Von Miller will never, ever, ever, ever play MLB in the NFL. And if he does, its because he is a bust.

Von Miller at MLB? Huh?

How about Blaine Gilbert at SS? Or Cam Newton at DE? Or JJ Watts at OT?

Why even start a thread about this?

Loser:..... And the loser is .....bronco0608

BroncoInferno
11-19-2012, 10:39 AM
Loser:..... And the loser is .....bronco0608

To my knowledge, Von Miller hasn't played a single down at MLB. How was he wrong?

Broncos_OTM
11-19-2012, 10:55 AM
To my knowledge, Von Miller hasn't played a single down at MLB. How was he wrong?
Reading comprehension fails some??

Rohirrim
11-19-2012, 11:15 AM
Winner: ...... Who would of thought Epic would be right-on .......

So, he says the number two pick in the draft might end up being a good player?

He's like Svengali, or Kreskin, or something. :puff:

Dexter
11-19-2012, 11:26 AM
Loser:..... And the loser is .....bronco0608

Um, if there is was anyone looking stupid in this thread it would be the scout in this article that was posted:

http://www.csnbayarea.com/03/08/11/Razzano-Some-team-will-make-mistake-on-M/landing.html?full_args=03/08/11/Razzano-Some-team-will-make-mistake-on-M/landing&blockID=435699&feedID=5936

Pony Boy
11-19-2012, 11:32 AM
So, he says the number two pick in the draft might end up being a good player?

He's like Svengali, or Kreskin, or something. :puff:

Von was not the number two pick yet and there were a lot of folks that thought a number 2 was too high to use on Miller. Now I know you hated Epic because of his political beliefs but you've got to give his some props on this old thread.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-19-2012, 11:37 AM
Um, if there is was anyone looking stupid in this thread it would be the scout in this article that was posted:

http://www.csnbayarea.com/03/08/11/Razzano-Some-team-will-make-mistake-on-M/landing.html?full_args=03/08/11/Razzano-Some-team-will-make-mistake-on-M/landing&blockID=435699&feedID=5936

Ooof, now THAT is a fail

SonOfLe-loLang
11-19-2012, 11:37 AM
Von was not the number two pick yet and there were a lot of folks that thought a number 2 was too high to use on Miller. Now I know you hated Epic because of his political beliefs but you've got to give his some props on this old thread.

Whatever, he was hardly going out on a limb. Half this board may have been skeptical of Miller, but half were also on board.

Tombstone RJ
11-19-2012, 11:43 AM
Von Miller gets the dreaded Vernon Gholston comparison

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 8, 2011, 12:56 PM EST
Could Vernon Gholston become the new Mike Mamula?

In the past, any Combine workout wonder was inevitably compared to Mamula as a cautionary tale. Now its possible that any deceptively productive, potentially stiff pass rusher could be compared to Gholston.

[Miller's] got some Vernon Gholston in him, former NFL scout Dave Razzano told Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com.

Razzano spent two decades as an NFL Scout. His opinion differs sharply from those who see Miller as one of the safer picks in the draft.

Im not a big Von Miller fan, Razzano said. In looking at Big-12 tape, he does not have a motor. He doesnt chase hard. They run at him, and he doesnt fight off blockers. When he gets sacks, a lot of times hes not getting blocked. Hes a one-move guy.

Miller was a fast riser after a huge senior season, but was seen as an inconsistent performer before.

He seemed to win over most skeptics at the Senior Bowl, but clearly some doubters remain.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/03/08/11/Razzano-Some-team-will-make-mistake-on-M/landing.html?full_args=03/08/11/Razzano-Some-team-will-make-mistake-on-M/landing&blockID=435699&feedID=5936

Hilarious!

fail

DENVERDUI55
11-19-2012, 11:43 AM
Von was not the number two pick yet and there were a lot of folks that thought a number 2 was too high to use on Miller. Now I know you hated Epic because of his political beliefs but you've got to give his some props on this old thread.

Epic also called Vontaze Burfict best player in the draft and we should draft him in first round. As far as the thread why the hell would you draft miller and move him away from his strength and make him a MLB?

Beantown Bronco
11-19-2012, 11:45 AM
Ooof, now THAT is a fail

I would keep a copy of that scouting report taped to Miller's locker.

Al Wilson
11-19-2012, 12:57 PM
Loser:..... And the loser is .....bronco0608
Actually, he made the best analysis out of everyone here.

DenverBrit
11-19-2012, 01:06 PM
Loser:..... And the loser is .....bronco0608

Why? He was exactly right, whereas Epic simply parroted every major scouting report.......and pretty much anyone watching Big 12 football.

Pony Boy
11-19-2012, 01:57 PM
Why? He was exactly right, whereas Epic simply parroted every major scouting report.......and pretty much anyone watching Big 12 football.

Wow the Epic haters are out in full force.......

Poor old Epic just disappeared without a trace one day last year at about rush hour. Who knows he was probably posting on the Mane on his way home and ran into a tree or something? Just give the guy a little credit for calling it right on Miller.

Rohirrim
11-19-2012, 02:01 PM
A broken clock is right twice a day. Miller was already a lock for the top five when the drama llama "called" this one.

Besides, haven't you heard? Drama llama is back. He wears a skirt now.

DenverBrit
11-19-2012, 02:08 PM
Wow the Epic haters are out in full force.......

Poor old Epic just disappeared without a trace one day last year at about rush hour. Who knows he was probably posting on the Mane on his way home and ran into a tree or something? Just give the guy a little credit for calling it right on Miller.

Really? Ok, point out any part of Epics post that wasn't extensively covered in almost every scouting report before he was drafted.

Your love for Epic and his politics are clouding YOUR judgement.

Pick Six
11-19-2012, 02:15 PM
To my knowledge, Von Miller hasn't played a single down at MLB. How was he wrong?

Von's natural position isn't MLB. Moving him around would have probably meant that he couldn't play his natural position. Hence, he would be a bust (given how high he was drafted). Thank goodness that Von turned into a star...:strong:

SonOfLe-loLang
11-19-2012, 02:26 PM
Wow the Epic haters are out in full force.......

Poor old Epic just disappeared without a trace one day last year at about rush hour. Who knows he was probably posting on the Mane on his way home and ran into a tree or something? Just give the guy a little credit for calling it right on Miller.

i still dont get why his assessment was impressive. Its not like Von was a fourth rounder. Its like giving me credit for predicting it would be sunny outside today. And i live in Los Angeles.

Pony Boy
11-19-2012, 02:30 PM
Really? Ok, point out any part of Epics post that wasn't extensively covered in almost every scouting report before he was drafted.

Your love for Epic and his politics are clouding YOUR judgement.

Wow you guys are easy ......... poking the bear in the zoo can be fun .......Hilarious!

theAPAOps5
11-19-2012, 02:31 PM
And that is why Razzano is a former scout!

Von Miller gets the dreaded Vernon Gholston comparison

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 8, 2011, 12:56 PM EST
Could Vernon Gholston become the new Mike Mamula?

In the past, any Combine workout wonder was inevitably compared to Mamula as a cautionary tale. Now its possible that any deceptively productive, potentially stiff pass rusher could be compared to Gholston.

[Miller's] got some Vernon Gholston in him, former NFL scout Dave Razzano told Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com.

Razzano spent two decades as an NFL Scout. His opinion differs sharply from those who see Miller as one of the safer picks in the draft.

Im not a big Von Miller fan, Razzano said. In looking at Big-12 tape, he does not have a motor. He doesnt chase hard. They run at him, and he doesnt fight off blockers. When he gets sacks, a lot of times hes not getting blocked. Hes a one-move guy.

Miller was a fast riser after a huge senior season, but was seen as an inconsistent performer before.

He seemed to win over most skeptics at the Senior Bowl, but clearly some doubters remain.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/03/08/11/Razzano-Some-team-will-make-mistake-on-M/landing.html?full_args=03/08/11/Razzano-Some-team-will-make-mistake-on-M/landing&blockID=435699&feedID=5936

DenverBrit
11-19-2012, 02:57 PM
Wow you guys are easy ......... poking the bear in the zoo can be fun .......Hilarious!

Right!! Ha!

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSw5k5QHWC9ID6YhKANJMx-K5LitSshwxqp_DrVb5Vp2KslkDJX

Kaylore
11-19-2012, 03:07 PM
There's a lot of people that look really silly from this thread. Even Footsteps said we shouldn't take him at number 2 and he was advocating for him. Shanahanan and Alchemical...lol

DENVERDUI55
11-19-2012, 03:42 PM
There's a lot of people that look really silly from this thread. Even Footsteps said we shouldn't take him at number 2 and he was advocating for him. Shanahanan and Alchemical...lol

It's these same type of people that think they are better oc than McCoy, HC than Fox, and GM over Elway.

theAPAOps5
11-19-2012, 05:08 PM
Loser:..... And the loser is .....bronco0608

How do you say he is the loser. That is asinine. He said he will never ever play MLB unless he is a bust. He isn't a MLB and is being played there. So he is dead on.

Rohirrim
11-19-2012, 05:13 PM
There's a lot of people that look really silly from this thread. Even Footsteps said we shouldn't take him at number 2 and he was advocating for him. Shanahanan and Alchemical...lol

I will admit to complete dopery on this one: I was advocating for Nick Fairley. :~ohyah!:

Jekyll15Hyde
11-19-2012, 05:41 PM
Wow the Epic haters are out in full force.......

Poor old Epic just disappeared without a trace one day last year at about rush hour. Who knows he was probably posting on the Mane on his way home and ran into a tree or something? Just give the guy a little credit for calling it right on Miller.

He has a new account and posts (terribly) in the WRP forum.

Once Teebs was gone, he was too at least from talking about football. I tell you, trading that guy is the gift that keeps on giving.

delany
11-19-2012, 06:12 PM
Wow the Epic haters are out in full force.......

Poor old Epic just disappeared without a trace one day last year at about rush hour. Who knows he was probably posting on the Mane on his way home and ran into a tree or something? Just give the guy a little credit for calling it right on Miller.

Llama was right because he is a Texas homer. Put a player not in his home state...then lets talk over his 'analysis'.

delany
11-19-2012, 06:17 PM
The person that should get respect is John Elway. People over time will forget that Von was not the slam dunk pick that people will think he was.

Everyone will say we had the 2nd pick in the draft. Von was great in college. They will say it was a no brainer pick. It really wasn't.

Beyond this thread there was also a tremendous amount of talk at the time about Von being a great player...but not for our system. There was a lot of doubt. There was a lot of other great players worthy of that pick.

Many, many, many teams would have screwed it up. John didn't.

Executive of the Year and Bronco for Life.

ZONA
11-19-2012, 06:53 PM
The person that should get respect is John Elway. People over time will forget that Von was not the slam dunk pick that people will think he was.

Everyone will say we had the 2nd pick in the draft. Von was great in college. They will say it was a no brainer pick. It really wasn't.

Beyond this thread there was also a tremendous amount of talk at the time about Von being a great player...but not for our system. There was a lot of doubt. There was a lot of other great players worthy of that pick.

Many, many, many teams would have screwed it up. John didn't.

Executive of the Year and Bronco for Life.

And as I recall, Miller rose up the boards very late in the draft process, actually during the last few weeks or so before the draft. I want to say I think alot of people had him middle of the 1st round after the college season and then once the combine was over, his value really started to go up.

baja
11-19-2012, 06:54 PM
The person that should get respect is John Elway. People over time will forget that Von was not the slam dunk pick that people will think he was.

Everyone will say we had the 2nd pick in the draft. Von was great in college. They will say it was a no brainer pick. It really wasn't.

Beyond this thread there was also a tremendous amount of talk at the time about Von being a great player...but not for our system. There was a lot of doubt. There was a lot of other great players worthy of that pick.

Many, many, many teams would have screwed it up. John didn't.

Executive of the Year and Bronco for Life.

Excellent post. rep

DENVERDUI55
11-19-2012, 07:07 PM
And as I recall, Miller rose up the boards very late in the draft process, actually during the last few weeks or so before the draft. I want to say I think alot of people had him middle of the 1st round after the college season and then once the combine was over, his value really started to go up.

This was spot on. Von helped his cause after season. I wanted Dareus or Peterson and glad I'm not GM. I didn't know much about Von.

baja
11-19-2012, 07:12 PM
This was spot on. Von helped his cause after season. I wanted Dareus or Peterson and glad I'm not GM. I didn't know much about Von.

Ya I wanted Peterson pretty badly too and like you I didn't know much about Von and was concerned how we'd use him. Big Big kudos to Elway and company for getting him.

spdirty
11-19-2012, 11:32 PM
What this stupid ass front office should have done was take Von Miller with the 2nd pick and then traded up with Jacksonville to the 10th pick where they would've taken JJ Watt right before Houston. This board would have a massive freak out with giving up a 2012 1st (better chance for them at Luck), both 2011 2nds, and Tim Tebow, but it damn sure would have been worth it. Gaw, why can't I just be in charge?

:)

Br0nc0Buster
11-20-2012, 08:30 AM
And as I recall, Miller rose up the boards very late in the draft process, actually during the last few weeks or so before the draft. I want to say I think alot of people had him middle of the 1st round after the college season and then once the combine was over, his value really started to go up.

Nah, I watched A & M quite a bit in college
Von was always regarded as one of the top players in the nation and a potential top pick

If there was any "rising", it was due to the media finding out how much scouts liked him

The only concern people had about him was what role he would fit best, then when he dominated the senior bowl at LB that sealed his draft status

bronco militia
11-20-2012, 08:35 AM
Hilarious!

fail

yeah, WTF Dave Razzano :giggle:

Agamemnon
11-20-2012, 08:37 AM
Many of us questioned the pick because we weren't sure he would be a good fit in a 4-3. Just because those doubts were proven wrong doesn't mean they weren't well-founded. The coaches have done an amazing job of scheming to Miller's strengths.

errand
11-20-2012, 09:24 AM
Many of us questioned the pick because we weren't sure he would be a good fit in a 4-3. Just because those doubts were proven wrong doesn't mean they weren't well-founded. The coaches have done an amazing job of scheming to Miller's strengths.

You sure you're not a hater? Because the past year and a half that's what you labelled people who had well founded doubts and concerns about another player.

Requiem
11-20-2012, 09:36 AM
Everybody knew that Von was going to be lights out as a pass rusher in the NFL, a lot of people thought he would go to a scheme (3-4) where he could be utilized like Demarcus Ware, etc.

What people questioned was the value at the #2 selection for a SAM linebacker in a 4-3 scheme. That is why I wasn't necessarily for the pick and was hoping Dareus would have been the call given our terrible DT depth, I also liked Patrick Peterson. We have tweaked the defense enough to have Miller getting a sizeable role with the team and he has shown that he is a Pro-Bowl player, who will be an All-Pro and if the dice roll right, a Hall of Famer.

John Fox and Co. did a terrific job with getting Von and with Elvis on the team, we have a fearsome pass-rushing duo for quite some time.

bronco militia
11-20-2012, 09:45 AM
I have doubts about any Broncos draft pick......the draft is a crap shoot every year.

footstepsfrom#27
11-20-2012, 12:16 PM
There's a lot of people that look really silly from this thread. Even Footsteps said we shouldn't take him at number 2 and he was advocating for him. Shanahanan and Alchemical...lol
I don't know if that makes me look silly or not, since I was just asking whether the guy could also play the middle, hardly a criticism to ask if a guy is versitile. I also said that while I preferred Peterson, I'd take Miller a few picks later. This is pretty much the same situation as the draft that had Deon Sanders and Derrick Thomas in it. Which one would you want? In retrospect it's tough to say but it probably come down to what your defense needs most at the time. In hindsight I'm now glad (obviously) that we went with Miller because he's supplied a pass rush that we havne't had before and it's changed the face of the defense, but Peterson is also a stud corner who will be in the HOF one day if he stays healthy, not to mention he has Sanders-like return ability. If the draft were held again I'd take Miller first but that's why we have these debates anyway.

errand
11-20-2012, 02:03 PM
While I agree that the draft is a crap shoot, and some players look good one year only to become mediocre or worse in the next I'll take this time to say I called it correctly when it came to Von Miller.

posted by me in the following thread - "Experts" predict Broncos to select Alabama DT Dareus

I'm sure it'll happen a few times...but if we can pressure the opposing QB it won't matter cuz the ball will be thrown way before the WR makes his double move, and the result will be an "IN-COM-PLETE" or INT....which is why Von Miller has been climbing up my personal wish list. If Doom comes back to anywhere near 17.5 sacks, and we have Miller too? I'm thinking QB's will actually fear playing Broncos again.

Von Miller is a 6'3" 246 pound LB that had 178 career tackles at Texas A&M with 33 career sacks, 11 in '10... he had 17 sacks in '09. Oddly, he's never forced a fumble and only has one INT...but we need someone that can scare the QB and make him **** himself. Miller is that kind of guy.....he does however seem to fit better in a 3-4 than 4-3.

If Miller is who the Broncos covet...i say pick him a few spots higher to guarantee you get him. Unless Carolina takes him #1...we would land the best LB and possibly the best pass rusher in the draft

that maybe true....if we trade down, i hope it is true. I just think that if this miller kid is all he's hyped to be, then he sounds like an unbelievable player that could be a game changer....and the question i'm wondering is this...if we draft Dareus, is there a LB that could come close to Miller in the draft? I think no...but If we draft miller, i do think we can find a DT that can come close to Dareus

....just saying

Shananahan
11-20-2012, 02:24 PM
There's a lot of people that look really silly from this thread. Even Footsteps said we shouldn't take him at number 2 and he was advocating for him. Shanahanan and Alchemical...lol
I'll be honest, the thought of the team whiffing on that pick terrified me. I probably advocated A.J. Green more than anyone else for that reason.

Pleased to be wrong.

Kaylore
11-20-2012, 03:02 PM
I don't know if that makes me look silly or not, since I was just asking whether the guy could also play the middle, hardly a criticism to ask if a guy is versitile. I also said that while I preferred Peterson, I'd take Miller a few picks later. This is pretty much the same situation as the draft that had Deon Sanders and Derrick Thomas in it. Which one would you want? In retrospect it's tough to say but it probably come down to what your defense needs most at the time. In hindsight I'm now glad (obviously) that we went with Miller because he's supplied a pass rush that we havne't had before and it's changed the face of the defense, but Peterson is also a stud corner who will be in the HOF one day if he stays healthy, not to mention he has Sanders-like return ability. If the draft were held again I'd take Miller first but that's why we have these debates anyway.

Well this was pretty early in the evaultation. By the time the draft came, Miller had moved up a lot of boards. That's why digging up old threads like these is a bit unfair. We've all looked stupid at some point.

That said, it's looking like the 2011 draft is one of the most epic ones in a long time.

Kaylore
11-20-2012, 03:04 PM
I'll be honest, the thought of the team whiffing on that pick terrified me. I probably advocated A.J. Green more than anyone else for that reason.

Pleased to be wrong.

Green, Peterson, Dareus, Julio Jones, Aldon Smith, JJ Watt, Fairley, Pouncey, Kerrigan - There were a lot of really, really good players we could have taken that year. We picked a good year to pick high.

baja
11-20-2012, 03:09 PM
Well this was pretty early in the evaultation. By the time the draft came, Miller had moved up a lot of boards. That's why digging up old threads like these is a bit unfair. We've all looked stupid at some point.

That said, it's looking like the 2011 draft is one of the most epic ones in a long time.

If Irving Thomas and Green continue to progress it will be EPIC ++++

http://broncotalk.net/2011/04/22307/broncos-news/denver-broncos-2011-nfl-draft-results/


Who were our undrafted free agents that year?

DBroncos4life
11-20-2012, 03:11 PM
Green, Peterson, Dareus, Julio Jones, Aldon Smith, JJ Watt, Fairley, Pouncey, Kerrigan - There were a lot of really, really good players we could have taken that year. We picked a good year to pick high.

I've wondered what the team would like if we traded back into the first to get Fairley.

FearLanier
11-20-2012, 03:15 PM
2011 was a very good class.

I think the 2013 class could be a very good group too that can compete with 2011.

There are a ton of really good defensive prospects all accross the board in 2013. I think there could be a lot of really good pass rushers and safeties coming out.

Kaylore
11-20-2012, 03:32 PM
I've wondered what the team would like if we traded back into the first to get Fairley.

He's been ok, not awesome. Can you imagine if we got JJ Watt, though...

Agamemnon
11-20-2012, 04:22 PM
You sure you're not a hater? Because the past year and a half that's what you labelled people who had well founded doubts and concerns about another player.

God you are such a dip****...

errand
11-20-2012, 04:47 PM
God you are such a dip****...

Haters gonna hate....

Rohirrim
11-20-2012, 05:25 PM
Look at Aaron Curry. :puff:

broncocalijohn
11-20-2012, 06:10 PM
What is Dave Razzano doing today?

Good for us I would think.

http://www.colts.com/news/article-1/COLTS-ANNOUNCE-SCOUTING-MOVES/687f5a52-2893-4dcf-9888-dd4ef69a3341

R8R H8R
11-21-2012, 02:20 AM
The person that should get respect is John Elway. People over time will forget that Von was not the slam dunk pick that people will think he was.

Everyone will say we had the 2nd pick in the draft. Von was great in college. They will say it was a no brainer pick. It really wasn't.

Beyond this thread there was also a tremendous amount of talk at the time about Von being a great player...but not for our system. There was a lot of doubt. There was a lot of other great players worthy of that pick.

Many, many, many teams would have screwed it up. John didn't.

Executive of the Year and Bronco for Life.

No love for Brian Xanders? ;D j/k

While I don't disagree with anything you said, this pick has John Fox written all over it. He would've been the one to convince Elway that Miller could be used effectively in his 4-3, and would have more impact than drafting the "safe" pick that was Marcell Darius.

DBroncos4life
11-21-2012, 10:26 AM
He's been ok, not awesome. Can you imagine if we got JJ Watt, though...

That would be a sick combo!

Tim
11-21-2012, 11:07 AM
Miller is the dpow for the second time this year

baja
11-21-2012, 12:07 PM
How many DPOW does JJ Watt have?

JJ Watt what a great football name.

TheReverend
11-21-2012, 01:08 PM
Fun bump.

One thing that's gone unmentioned: some props to JDR for coaching him up in the phases of the game that aren't natural to him and how flawlessly he's being utilized. Night and day from that scrub Dennis Allen.

Kaylore
11-21-2012, 01:34 PM
Dennis Allen is floundering in Oaktown and whispers of his dimissal have already begun to emerge - right on queue. He would have benefited from a few years under Fox.

DBroncos4life
11-21-2012, 01:38 PM
Dennis Allen is floundering in Oaktown and whispers of his dimissal have already begun to emerge - right on queue. He would have benefited from a few years under Fox.

Honesty if we had a need for a secondary coach I would bring Allen back to Denver. He did some good things with the Saints secondary.

baja
11-21-2012, 02:31 PM
Honesty if we had a need for a secondary coach I would bring Allen back to Denver. He did some good things with the Saints secondary.

He'll get another DC job somewhere.