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baja
03-05-2011, 07:08 PM
Violent Deaths in Mexico: Everything Is Not as it Seems


In recent months the debate about violence in Mexico has heated up significantly. Most news channels have been giving a broad coverage on the facts of crime, which are usually focused on the issue of combating organized crime.
When it comes to human lives, it is always difficult to speak coldly about figures. But when we need to know what really is going on, in terms of crime, we can do nothing but refer to them.
The indicator which measures the violence in a country is the number of violent deaths per 100,000 people. This indicator has the advantage of allowing us to compare figures between countries with different population sizes.
This indicator is highly reliable and comparable between countries of the world, since in all countries it is necessary to produce death certificates to account for a death caused for any reason whatsoever. In the case of violent deaths, there is no possibility that this indicator, unlike others, observe significant levels of sub report because violent deaths are registred by law in all countries.
According the available indicators, Mexico as a country has a general level of 13.3 violent deaths per 100.000 inhabitants, making it one of the safest countries in Latin America. Levels in Argentina, Brazil and Venezuela surprised us since they are at high as 16.8, 36.7 and 44.9 deaths per 100,000 population, respectively. Brazil and Venezuela are two and almost three times more violent than Mexico, respectively.
Moreover, if we compare this indicator with some U.S. cities we will see that our country is much better than we would expect to imagine. Comparing Mexico to Washington DC, New Orleans or Detroit the difference is very big, violence is a tangible problem in those cities. And without going too far, Mexico City has 9.8 violent deaths per 100,000 people, far below of other major cities like Houston, with 12.5, Phoenix, witn 12.6, and Los Angeles, with 17.1. It is true that there is a big problem in Ciudad Juarez and three other municipalities, which altogether sum up to more than 50% of violent deaths in Mexico. The rest of the 2,396 municipalities which form the country have relatively low violence levels.
According to figures provided by the government of Mexico, the battle against organized crime has caused 24,826 violent deaths in the last four years. As it is often said, inside and outside the country, it has turned Mexico in an extremely dangerous country to live. A country that sadly some have said is in “civil war” and that is a “failed state.” This is definitely not true.
Although a number like 24,826 seems pretty high, it is time to put it in context. This number represents a little over 6,000 deaths per year on average. Each year, 20,000 people die in Mexico in road accidents and more than 50,000 because of diabetes. If we look at violent deaths to compare, in the U.S. 6,000 veterans commit suicide every year. So, during the same period, the same amount of persons have died as a consequence of the U.S. post-war trauma, as the war on drugs in Mexico.
And while there is some exposure about this phenomenon in the U.S. media, it does not reach the same exposure as in Mexico. Here we are in a frenzy of daily information that the only thing it communicates is the presence of violence. Our conversations with family, friends, office, restaurants, are all about violence. We entertain ourselves and entertain others, including foreigners, in the idea that violence in Mexico has reached unsuspected levels. And there’s no evidence to support that. It is only our perception. We find ourselves filtering and searching all events and news, looking for those that speak of violence. And likewise, those are the news we speak about. It is a conversation, just a conversation.
This has affected the levels of tourism, investment and economic prospects for the country, and it is not supported by real figures, data and facts, it is only a perception. The good news is that we have the power to change that perception. It just takes to take a look at the data and facts.
Ultimately, the best way to combat any violence is to leave the fear that is generating this behind and doing something that makes us confident. Entertain ourselves and entertain others with the fact that violence stops us, it paralyzes us. What would be possible if we focus on facts and data to make us and others see that we can be responsible for creating an environment to grow and prosper instead of creating a violent space with our everyday conversations? You have this power, do it for North America and in the end you will be doing something positive for yourself and for others.

epicSocialism4tw
03-05-2011, 09:25 PM
As a Texan who interacts with both Mexican expatriates and Texans in border communities, the violence that effects our state and other border states is very real.

As for Mexican cities that arent in direct paths to the US for cartels, I cant say. But as for Nuevo Laredo, Juarez, and to a lesser extent Monterrey...those places are not safe in the least for Americans because they're not safe for Mexicans either. Juarez is the most dangerous place on the planet. Nuevo Laredo has slowy eroded into a den of vipers.

I live in North Texas, and the number of people I have met whose families have fled those places is more than I can count, and their personal stories are far worse than what is reported in the news.

I know one rancher who left his ranch, which he now cannot sell, because it had become inhabitable due to the drug trafficking across his property.

I have a friend who travels back and forth to take money back to her family who has seen severed heads stuck to border throughway overpasses into Juarez, she has driven under naked hanging bodies.

I know another girl who has had several members of her family assassinated in Juarez just because they wouldnt take money.

The stories go on and on, and all Mexicans from those towns can tell you much more about it than I can.

But to act like everything's okay there just isnt true to life. The violence has bled across the border and infiltrates San Antonio, Houston, Austin, and even Dallas.

baja
03-05-2011, 09:50 PM
The article says exactly what you're saying.

epicSocialism4tw
03-05-2011, 10:02 PM
The article says exactly what you're saying.

It says that violence is coming across the border, yes, but it makes a bit of a sad attemtp to reach out to young spring breakers who just arent coming this year. The gringos know about the crooked policia, and now that the cartels are running the show, there just isnt a safety net in place in Mexico to protect them.

The policia may not just be asking you for a bribe...they might be throwing you in a covered hole and demanding money from your parents.

baja
03-06-2011, 05:34 AM
It says that violence is coming across the border, yes, but it makes a bit of a sad attemtp to reach out to young spring breakers who just arent coming this year. The gringos know about the crooked policia, and now that the cartels are running the show, there just isnt a safety net in place in Mexico to protect them.

The policia may not just be asking you for a bribe...they might be throwing you in a covered hole and demanding money from your parents.


I live here and that is not the reality.

Yes there are problems in the cities the article names but to say Mexico is in the hands of the cartels is an irresponsible lie.

chadta
03-06-2011, 07:09 AM
too be fair, there have only been 1000 people killed in Libya in this uprising, per capita and per year that works out to about the same as Mexico, i wont be going to either.

I grabbed those numbers out of thin air and do not in any way claim them to be real, but they dont effect the fact that im not going to either place in the slightest. I also wont be going to Cuba, Jamaica or the Mediterranean.

Jamaica, when you get off the plane and on the bus ride to the resort when the bus driver says " see those big fences around the resort, make sure you are inside them when the sun goes down" that's reason enough for me to not go back.

Ill stick with the USA where at least there is the illusion of safety.

baja
03-06-2011, 07:21 AM
too be fair, there have only been 1000 people killed in Libya in this uprising, per capita and per year that works out to about the same as Mexico, i wont be going to either.

I grabbed those numbers out of thin air and do not in any way claim them to be real, but they don't effect the fact that Imo not going to either place in the slightest. I also wont be going to Cuba, Jamaica or the Mediterranean.

Jamaica, when you get off the plane and on the bus ride to the resort when the bus driver says " see those big fences around the resort, make sure you are inside them when the sun goes down" that's reason enough for me to not go back.

<B>Ill stick with the USA where at least there is the illusion of safety.

APPRECIATE YOUR HONESTY THAT'S MORE THAN MOST CAN MANAGE.

baja
03-06-2011, 07:22 AM
SO NOW WE CAN TYPE IN ALL CAPS IS THAT IT.

JJJ
03-06-2011, 11:32 AM
too be fair, there have only been 1000 people killed in Libya in this uprising, per capita and per year that works out to about the same as Mexico, i wont be going to either.

I grabbed those numbers out of thin air and do not in any way claim them to be real, but they dont effect the fact that im not going to either place in the slightest. I also wont be going to Cuba, Jamaica or the Mediterranean.

Jamaica, when you get off the plane and on the bus ride to the resort when the bus driver says " see those big fences around the resort, make sure you are inside them when the sun goes down" that's reason enough for me to not go back.

Ill stick with the USA where at least there is the illusion of safety.

Don't you live in Canada?

cutthemdown
03-06-2011, 12:04 PM
Mexico like 5 different countries so these numbers will be horrid by the drug trafficking routes, but probably pretty good in other parts.

Regardless Mexico is a mess.

chadta
03-06-2011, 12:06 PM
Don't you live in Canada?

yes i do thats why i vacation in the states, its a nice place to visit but i wouldnt wanna live there.