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BMarsh615
03-05-2011, 07:30 AM
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oubronco
03-05-2011, 07:42 AM
Put a Broncos uniform on the young man

Chris
03-05-2011, 08:42 AM
Altered beast.

cmhargrove
03-05-2011, 08:49 AM
The only thing I hate about this - AGAIN - is taking a highly ranked player, then immediately asking them to play a different position.

I see that he moved both inside and outside, but after watching those highlights it seems that the bulk of his playing time was at the DE position. In our system, he would be playing DT.

He is surprisingly good in open space, i'm just a little conncerned about the value at #2, then asking him to change positions. I guess that's a question for Fox to decide.

BHamita
03-05-2011, 09:09 AM
The only thing I hate about this - AGAIN - is taking a highly ranked player, then immediately asking them to play a different position.

I see that he moved both inside and outside, but after watching those highlights it seems that the bulk of his playing time was at the DE position. In our system, he would be playing DT.

He is surprisingly good in open space, i'm just a little conncerned about the value at #2, then asking him to change positions. I guess that's a question for Fox to decide.


You can't take 1 game and make assumptions. Dareus plays all over the line and has played a ton at a true DT spot. His use in the Michigan State game was determined by him dominating the right side of their OL. I'm not sure when being versatile(and dominant at several positions) can be looked at a negative.

Shananahan
03-05-2011, 09:28 AM
I'm not sure when being versatile(and dominant at several positions) can be looked at a negative.
Well said. The fact that he has experience playing almost every position on the line other than an outside rush DE is the beauty of taking him so high. His ability to play well all over the place decreases the chances he won't be able to succeed.

Cmac821
03-05-2011, 09:41 AM
looks good, any one know how consistent he is?

Broncoman13
03-05-2011, 09:43 AM
You can't take 1 game and make assumptions. Dareus plays all over the line and has played a ton at a true DT spot. His use in the Michigan State game was determined by him dominating the right side of their OL. I'm not sure when being versatile(and dominant at several positions) can be looked at a negative.

Maybe not a negative, but it does make it difficult to project how he will play the 3-Tech in a 4-3 defense. I am still kind of luke warm on him as I think he is more of a engager rather than a beater. He tries to pattern his game after Warren Sapp but I don't see the same explosiveness off the snap, not by a long shot.

epicSocialism4tw
03-05-2011, 09:53 AM
Man, he was in the backfield very often in that game. They couldnt figure out how to deal with him. He was too quick off the snap for their double teams, they couldnt chip him and pass him along, and their linemen didnt hold up one on one. He looks like a strong, disruptive player.

He also held his gaps in that game well when he was asked to, but it looks like they just unleashed him and told him to get in the backfield.

He's a little top heavy and may need to build strength in his core and in his legs. Not that he isnt already strong, but it looks like he has a body type that lends itself to needing that kind of attention. He comes off as a strong player though...he puts the OG and the RT at a disadvantage with his ability to get into gaps and knock someone off kilter.

He's not Suh, but he could be a dominant DT in the NFL if he puts in the work.

ColoradoDarin
03-05-2011, 09:58 AM
Maybe not a negative, but it does make it difficult to project how he will play the 3-Tech in a 4-3 defense. I am still kind of luke warm on him as I think he is more of a engager rather than a beater. He tries to pattern his game after Warren Sapp but I don't see the same explosiveness off the snap, not by a long shot.

I just want a player who can beat the man (or 2-3 men) across from them. Forget 1-tech, 3 tech or 5 tech, can the dude play? Dareus can (from the limited amount that I've seen).

epicSocialism4tw
03-05-2011, 10:01 AM
Maybe not a negative, but it does make it difficult to project how he will play the 3-Tech in a 4-3 defense. I am still kind of luke warm on him as I think he is more of a engager rather than a beater. He tries to pattern his game after Warren Sapp but I don't see the same explosiveness off the snap, not by a long shot.

I could see that he's patterning his game after Sapp, and you're right that he's not as explosive.

He seems to me like a guy that will be able to hold a gap and push his man into the backfield, who can occasionally rush the passer.

That type of player will be really useful in Denver because it would help fix the abhorrent run defense.

BHamita
03-05-2011, 10:05 AM
Maybe not a negative, but it does make it difficult to project how he will play the 3-Tech in a 4-3 defense. I am still kind of luke warm on him as I think he is more of a engager rather than a beater. He tries to pattern his game after Warren Sapp but I don't see the same explosiveness off the snap, not by a long shot.


Does he have as much tape at the 3-Tech as say, Fairley? Well, of course not..but that doesn't mean there isn't enough to get a really good idea of how he will do.

Personally, I prefer a guy who has shown that he can be moved around and can still create consistent disruption.

gyldenlove
03-05-2011, 10:19 AM
Does he have as much tape at the 3-Tech as say, Fairley? Well, of course not..but that doesn't mean there isn't enough to get a really good idea of how he will do.

Personally, I prefer a guy who has shown that he can be moved around and can still create consistent disruption.

I know he has played 1 tech, 3 tech and 5 tech at Alabama in different packages, he is very well coached and he is a physical specimen, he reminds me of a better coached BJ Raji.

Dareus is going to make some team very happy, I certainly hope it will be the Broncos.

TheReverend
03-05-2011, 10:40 AM
Maybe not a negative, but it does make it difficult to project how he will play the 3-Tech in a 4-3 defense. I am still kind of luke warm on him as I think he is more of a engager rather than a beater. He tries to pattern his game after Warren Sapp but I don't see the same explosiveness off the snap, not by a long shot.

In his defense, no one since has been as explosive as Warren Sapp in his prime.

lostknight
03-05-2011, 10:40 AM
Remember that our new DC also likes to play not only a 4-3, but also a 3-3-5. He seems ideal for that role.

s0phr0syne
03-05-2011, 10:41 AM
I know Suh has preformed amazingly well, so it gives me hope, but it seems like drafting a player who by definition is already somewhat of a hedonist (fattys) so high and giving him tons of guaranteed money is just a recipe for disaster.

Chris
03-05-2011, 10:48 AM
He's a hedonist because he's "fat"? You lost me there.

anton
03-05-2011, 12:54 PM
im uploading him vs UF, SC, LSU, and AUB right now. He plays a lot more DT vs UF and SC.

BMarsh, can you edit the first post to add a video when the other video is up?

crush17
03-05-2011, 02:44 PM
This is the pick at 2 in my eyes. I sure hope they feel the same.

gyldenlove
03-05-2011, 04:28 PM
I know Suh has preformed amazingly well, so it gives me hope, but it seems like drafting a player who by definition is already somewhat of a hedonist (fattys) so high and giving him tons of guaranteed money is just a recipe for disaster.

There is a big difference between your Jamarcus Russells and Terrence Codys who are flat out fat and your big guys like Marcell Dareus and Ndamokung Suh who are athletic.

schaaf
03-05-2011, 04:51 PM
after watching Marcel Dareus at the combine, I was very surprised at how muscular he was and not really fat at all

Steve Sewell
03-05-2011, 06:06 PM
I know Suh has preformed amazingly well, so it gives me hope, but it seems like drafting a player who by definition is already somewhat of a hedonist (fattys) so high and giving him tons of guaranteed money is just a recipe for disaster.

"Giving a heavy person lots of money to buy food is...a recipe for disaster"

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tsiguy96
03-05-2011, 06:28 PM
"Giving a heavy person lots of money to buy food is...a recipe for disaster"

http://notsomebody.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/david-caruso-horatio-cain.jpg

approved

BMarsh615
03-05-2011, 07:04 PM
im uploading him vs UF, SC, LSU, and AUB right now. He plays a lot more DT vs UF and SC.

BMarsh, can you edit the first post to add a video when the other video is up?

Yeah no problem.

Requiem
03-05-2011, 07:18 PM
The Broncos are guaranteed at least Dareus or Peterson. It would be impossible to mess that up. Unless they are infatuated with Von Miller.

Shananahan
03-05-2011, 07:46 PM
Unless they are infatuated with Von Miller.
This is my nightmare scenario.

bap454
03-05-2011, 10:19 PM
after watching Marcel Dareus at the combine, I was very surprised at how muscular he was and not really fat at all

I totally agree. For me it says alot about their drive, work ethic, and desire to be great. I thought Marcel looked more muscular than Fairley who was 20 some pounds lighter. If anything Fairley looked soft to me. You can take the most gifted athlete and combine him with a lousy work ethic, and what do you get.....thats right Jamarcus Russel. Who just happens to be friends with Fairley. All the red flags are there people.

anton
03-05-2011, 11:02 PM
finally

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misturanderson
03-06-2011, 09:53 AM
I don't see how he should make it past our pick regardless of whether or not Peterson is there. He seems virtually unblockable 1-on-1. He does what's asked of him and does it extremely well. And importantly he fills a need at our weakest position worthy of the #2 overall pick. He is my #1 choice for the Broncos, but he may not be there at #2.

JDB7821
03-06-2011, 10:08 AM
Thanks for putting these clips up, I was having a hard time finding highlights of the guy. After watching that, I definitely think he should be the pick at 2. Let Fairley or Newton go to Carolina, please.

yerner
03-06-2011, 10:11 AM
Peterson.

Missouribronc
03-06-2011, 10:20 AM
From the first video I learned that I will be really pissed if Denver drafts an offensive lineman from Michigan State in the next two years.

Oh, and Dareus looks like a pretty decent defensive lineman. I'd like to hear the draftniks around here compare him to Suh and McCoy...

Did his production go down after Mount Cody left Alabama? The reason I ask that is there is a long history of teams drafting the second player off a defensive line and absolutely failing. Now, I know Cody isn't a superstar in the league, so maybe that points to Dareus being the superstar of the group.

I'm looking at Junior Siavii and Haloti Ngata off of the Oregon D-line...or Ryan Sims and Julius Peppers off of the North Carolina line...

Luckily, we don't have Carl Peterson drafting for us...

But I would like to see one of the draftniks to comment on that type of comparison.

JDB7821
03-06-2011, 10:41 AM
From the first video I learned that I will be really pissed if Denver drafts an offensive lineman from Michigan State in the next two years.

Oh, and Dareus looks like a pretty decent defensive lineman. I'd like to hear the draftniks around here compare him to Suh and McCoy...

Did his production go down after Mount Cody left Alabama? The reason I ask that is there is a long history of teams drafting the second player off a defensive line and absolutely failing. Now, I know Cody isn't a superstar in the league, so maybe that points to Dareus being the superstar of the group.

I'm looking at Junior Siavii and Haloti Ngata off of the Oregon D-line...or Ryan Sims and Julius Peppers off of the North Carolina line...

Luckily, we don't have Carl Peterson drafting for us...

But I would like to see one of the draftniks to comment on that type of comparison.

I've been following the draft pretty heavily since 2004 and I know exactly what you're talking about. After looking at Dareus though, his production didn't go down after Cody left. I see he played a lot of LE in the 3-4 from those clips and he actually had more TFL's this year while playing in two less games and without Cody. I don't think there's anything to worry about in that regard. The double teams Cody was facing went to Dareus and he still produced.

And to answer you question about comparisons to Suh and McCoy, I knew Suh was on a different level before his senior year even started. I don't think he's as much of a disruptor inside as McCoy, but he's more versatile and I see more natural strength when watching him play.

footstepsfrom#27
03-06-2011, 11:06 AM
I totally agree. For me it says alot about their drive, work ethic, and desire to be great. I thought Marcel looked more muscular than Fairley who was 20 some pounds lighter. If anything Fairley looked soft to me. You can take the most gifted athlete and combine him with a lousy work ethic, and what do you get.....thats right Jamarcus Russel. Who just happens to be friends with Fairley. All the red flags are there people.
I noticed this too. Fairley is just to high a risk for the #2 pick IMO. It ought to be Peterson because he's the one guy in this draft with superstar potential written all over him, but I wouldn't be to dissapointed with Dareus either. Fairley IMO might actually fall into the second five selections if little things like the Russell association keep coming out. I'm leery of his size as an interior player as well. If you're 290 and carrying some flab, what will you weigh when you lose it...assuming of course he does lose it? Fairley did not look like a very well conditioned athlete from what I saw of him during the national championship game trophy ceremonies, which I guess makes his performance pretty amazing since Oregon ran a hurry up offense. I remember him being reported as 300-315 pounds so 290 is a significant drop from that. Is he going to be big and strong enough to stop the run if he plays DT in the NFL?

epicSocialism4tw
03-06-2011, 11:29 AM
I noticed this too. Fairley is just to high a risk for the #2 pick IMO. It ought to be Peterson because he's the one guy in this draft with superstar potential written all over him, but I wouldn't be to dissapointed with Dareus either. Fairley IMO might actually fall into the second five selections if little things like the Russell association keep coming out. I'm leery of his size as an interior player as well. If you're 290 and carrying some flab, what will you weigh when you lose it...assuming of course he does lose it? Fairley did not look like a very well conditioned athlete from what I saw of him during the national championship game trophy ceremonies, which I guess makes his performance pretty amazing since Oregon ran a hurry up offense. I remember him being reported as 300-315 pounds so 290 is a significant drop from that. Is he going to be big and strong enough to stop the run if he plays DT in the NFL?

Bowers is still in the conversation too, IMO. I have been more impressed with Bowers then anyone else so far.

footstepsfrom#27
03-06-2011, 11:42 AM
Bowers is still in the conversation too, IMO. I have been more impressed with Bowers then anyone else so far.
They've already commited to Elvis at the RDE spot in a 4-3, so Bowers, if he's the pick, will have to move to the LDE spot. Where does that leave Robert Ayers? Someone's not going to be happy. Dareus would also be able to play either inside or outside, though he's not as explosive a pass rusher, he'd also shore up the run defense more.

Shananahan
03-06-2011, 11:48 AM
From the first video I learned that I will be really pissed if Denver drafts an offensive lineman from Michigan State in the next two years.

Oh, and Dareus looks like a pretty decent defensive lineman. I'd like to hear the draftniks around here compare him to Suh and McCoy...

Did his production go down after Mount Cody left Alabama? The reason I ask that is there is a long history of teams drafting the second player off a defensive line and absolutely failing. Now, I know Cody isn't a superstar in the league, so maybe that points to Dareus being the superstar of the group.

I'm looking at Junior Siavii and Haloti Ngata off of the Oregon D-line...or Ryan Sims and Julius Peppers off of the North Carolina line...

Luckily, we don't have Carl Peterson drafting for us...

But I would like to see one of the draftniks to comment on that type of comparison.
I brought this up on another board the other day and know exactly what you're talking about. I've seen some mock drafts with guys hoping we land Quinn in the first and Austin in the second, and it just confuses me.

epicSocialism4tw
03-06-2011, 11:58 AM
They've already commited to Elvis at the RDE spot in a 4-3, so Bowers, if he's the pick, will have to move to the LDE spot. Where does that leave Robert Ayers? Someone's not going to be happy. Dareus would also be able to play either inside or outside, though he's not as explosive a pass rusher, he'd also shore up the run defense more.

A 3-man rotation of DE's leaves plenty of snaps for everyone. Dumervil doesnt play on first down anyway and on third down you roll out Bowers and Dumervil.

A strong, balanced rotation of DE's like that won the Giants their last superbowl over the offensive juggernaut Patriots.

BHamita
03-06-2011, 12:05 PM
I've been following the draft pretty heavily since 2004 and I know exactly what you're talking about. After looking at Dareus though, his production didn't go down after Cody left. I see he played a lot of LE in the 3-4 from those clips and he actually had more TFL's this year while playing in two less games and without Cody. I don't think there's anything to worry about in that regard. The double teams Cody was facing went to Dareus and he still produced.

And to answer you question about comparisons to Suh and McCoy, I knew Suh was on a different level before his senior year even started. I don't think he's as much of a disruptor inside as McCoy, but he's more versatile and I see more natural strength when watching him play.



One thing people don't realize about Dareus this year was the fact that he has a pretty rough ankle injury caused by a dirty block that he played through. I've posted it below if anyone really cares to watch it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpCAheCiYwE


So, production wise...

- He missed the first 2 games with his suspension.
- His first game back was Duke(62-13) where he obviously didnt play a ton.
- His 2nd game back was Arkansas...and he was injured in the 2nd quarter.
- He played against Florida(not 100%) and was a good bit better against South Carolina.
- He re-injured his ankle against Ole Miss and wasn't healthy for the next 4 games...
- He got a good rest the week before Auburn(Ga State) and finally was able to get healthy again for Auburn and then Michigan State.

My point?

The guy would, IMO, be a shoe-in for the top overall pick has he been healthy all year but one dirty play really caused him to be less than 100% for all but 5 games this year...

gyldenlove
03-06-2011, 12:14 PM
I brought this up on another board the other day and know exactly what you're talking about. I've seen some mock drafts with guys hoping we land Quinn in the first and Austin in the second, and it just confuses me.

Just look at the North Carolina State defensive line in 2006, 3 first round picks, Mario Williams, John McCargo and Manny Lawson.

epicSocialism4tw
03-06-2011, 12:21 PM
One thing people don't realize about Dareus this year was the fact that he has a pretty rough ankle injury caused by a dirty block that he played through. I've posted it below if anyone really cares to watch it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpCAheCiYwE


So, production wise...

- He missed the first 2 games with his suspension.
- His first game back was Duke(62-13) where he obviously didnt play a ton.
- His 2nd game back was Arkansas...and he was injured in the 2nd quarter.
- He played against Florida(not 100%) and was a good bit better against South Carolina.
- He re-injured his ankle against Ole Miss and wasn't healthy for the next 4 games...
- He got a good rest the week before Auburn(Ga State) and finally was able to get healthy again for Auburn and then Michigan State.

My point?

The guy would, IMO, be a shoe-in for the top overall pick has he been healthy all year but one dirty play really caused him to be less than 100% for all but 5 games this year...

Thanks for bringing that to attention.

I mentioned before that I thought he had an upper body wobble that I attributed to core strength. A bad wheel would account for that.

footstepsfrom#27
03-06-2011, 12:47 PM
A 3-man rotation of DE's leaves plenty of snaps for everyone. Dumervil doesnt play on first down anyway and on third down you roll out Bowers and Dumervil.

A strong, balanced rotation of DE's like that won the Giants their last superbowl over the offensive juggernaut Patriots.
I've heard this argument before, but it's not exactly a good situation to be paying huge bucks for Elvis when he's not even an every down player AND on top of that, bringing in Bowers means either he or Ayers will be doing the same thing. Two #1 picks, one at the top of the draft, and another guy making major coin all for the pass rush...let's not forget stopping the run is foremost on their needs list. I'm thinking Dareus is a better fit based on that. He's an every down player, he plays inside, he's big and strong enough to stop the run and hold up agaisnt NFL linemen. On top of all that he can play multiple positions and he's a pretty good pass rusher as well. He's a more complete player and you can't coach 320 pounds.

Broncos_OTM
03-06-2011, 12:54 PM
i think this is one of the few guys we need. i like peterson more, but i think the pick has to be dareus

epicSocialism4tw
03-06-2011, 01:05 PM
I've heard this argument before, but it's not exactly a good situation to be paying huge bucks for Elvis when he's not even an every down player AND on top of that, bringing in Bowers means either he or Ayers will be doing the same thing. Two #1 picks, one at the top of the draft, and another guy making major coin all for the pass rush...let's not forget stopping the run is foremost on their needs list. I'm thinking Dareus is a better fit based on that. He's an every down player, he plays inside, he's big and strong enough to stop the run and hold up agaisnt NFL linemen. On top of all that he can play multiple positions and he's a pretty good pass rusher as well. He's a more complete player and you can't coach 320 pounds.

Bowers plays both phases of the offense. He becomes your cornerstone defensive player.

Personally, I would rather go DT, but I think that Bowers might be the top prospect in the draft.

pricejj
03-06-2011, 01:33 PM
Dareus:
I am impressed with the play of Dareus in those clips. Often took on double teams. Looks great at stopping the run. MUCH better pass rusher than I had anticipated. IMO we will be lucky if he drops to #2.

Fairley:
I know Fairley had better stats this year, and a dominant BCS Title game, but he looked a little sloppy at the combine. As other people have said, not sure if the consistant effort will be there.

Bowers:
During Bowers speech at the combine someone asked him, "What do you attribute your success to this year?". He said, "the D-Tackles". Looked pretty obvious from his clips, that he was not very strong against the rush, and picked up a ton of clean up sacks after the pocket collapse from the Clemson D-Tackles.

Peterson:
An dominant D Lineman is much more valuable than a shutdown corner.

Mediator12
03-06-2011, 01:47 PM
Dareus is the truly versatile interior DL in the whole draft. He can play 4-3 NT and UT. He has the quickness and explosiveness to be a 3 Tech. while having the sheer power and base to destroy the POA as a NT. What he is is the most disruptive player inside versus any scheme he will see in the NFL. I really like Fairley as a penetrator, but that makes him solely one dimensional and easier to plan against. I like Cameron Jordan's pure Versatility as a DL, but he is not as stout as Dareus in the inside run. Dareus can beat you no matter how you play him. He can beat you inside, outside, strong side, weakside, penetrating, bullrushing, and flat out effort. He is nasty after the snap and never quits. He reads screens and gets after weakside plays. He is a one on one Nightmare for a Center or Gaurd. Then, he helps up the guy he just clobbered ;D Old school DT with a great attitude.

I have wanted this guy since last year, and I hope they go get him. As far as guys looking better because of other players on the DL around them, that happens with teams that get great recruits sometimes. It can make guys look better, but you have to know the scheme and how it affects their play. Jamaal Anderson was a Scheme DL @ Arkanasas, and he did not have the other NFL players around him. This is not the case with Dareus. He is a monster, regardless of who played next to him.

CW81
03-06-2011, 02:06 PM
Dareus looks great. Fairley may be more high-risk, high-reward. Dareus may be able to contribute almost immediately.

oubronco
03-06-2011, 02:06 PM
Dareus is the truly versatile interior DL in the whole draft. He can play 4-3 NT and UT. He has the quickness and explosiveness to be a 3 Tech. while having the sheer power and base to destroy the POA as a NT. What he is is the most disruptive player inside versus any scheme he will see in the NFL. I really like Fairley as a penetrator, but that makes him solely one dimensional and easier to plan against. I like Cameron Jordan's pure Versatility as a DL, but he is not as stout as Dareus in the inside run. Dareus can beat you no matter how you play him. He can beat you inside, outside, strong side, weakside, penetrating, bullrushing, and flat out effort. He is nasty after the snap and never quits. He reads screens and gets after weakside plays. He is a one on one Nightmare for a Center or Gaurd. Then, he helps up the guy he just clobbered ;D Old school DT with a great attitude.

I have wanted this guy since last year, and I hope they go get him. As far as guys looking better because of other players on the DL around them, that happens with teams that get great recruits sometimes. It can make guys look better, but you have to know the scheme and how it affects their play. Jamaal Anderson was a Scheme DL @ Arkanasas, and he did not have the other NFL players around him. This is not the case with Dareus. He is a monster, regardless of who played next to him.

Amen Brotha

epicSocialism4tw
03-06-2011, 02:09 PM
Bowers:
During Bowers speech at the combine someone asked him, "What do you attribute your success to this year?". He said, "the D-Tackles".

That's more proof that he's a good teammate than it is that "the D-tackles" were superior than he was.

It should be pretty obvious that he was just being nice.

Dedhed
03-06-2011, 02:45 PM
The Broncos are guaranteed at least Dareus or Peterson. It would be impossible to mess that up. Unless they are infatuated with Von Miller.
That's my stance as well. I like Dareus more than Fairley if we go DL, but Peterson is still the best prospect, imo.

epicSocialism4tw
03-06-2011, 02:51 PM
That's my stance as well. I like Dareus more than Fairley if we go DL, but Peterson is still the best prospect, imo.

I like Bowers better than Peterson. Maybe Dareus as well.

Honestly, Von Miller may be a better prospect than Peterson as well.

People doubt Miller because they hadnt heard of him until the senior bowl, but he has been flat out dominant for years now. He's not new to people who watch the Big 12 or to scouts. That guy is for real, and he'll go in the top 5.

Dedhed
03-06-2011, 04:43 PM
I like Bowers better than Peterson.

Clap.[pause] Clap.

Shananahan
03-06-2011, 04:48 PM
Some of you guys get way too critical and antagonistic about others' opinions of players.

epicSocialism4tw
03-06-2011, 05:06 PM
Clap.[pause] Clap.

I dont know that anyone wanted to know about the condition of your genitals, but as for Bowers, what I have seen of him has been very impressive in every aspect.

I wouldnt be surprised at all if he went #1 to Carolina.

I would be surprised, however, if Carolina chose Peterson.

Mediator12
03-06-2011, 05:40 PM
Some of you guys get way too critical and antagonistic about others' opinions of players.

:deadhorse

I have said All I can say about that. I like to see what people can do, not what they can not do. I like to focus on strengths and playing players to those strengths. Around here though, forget it. It's personal ;D

epicSocialism4tw
03-06-2011, 05:46 PM
:deadhorse

I have said All I can say about that. I like to see what people can do, not what they can not do. I like to focus on strengths and playing players to those strengths. Around here though, forget it. It's personal ;D

Regardless of what camps (or personality cults) that people form and defend, the Broncos will select who they select. So its not really worth getting emotionally involved in.

All I know is that Denver will gets the second choice of all of the talent in this draft, and thats exciting.

Dedhed
03-06-2011, 05:55 PM
So its not really worth getting emotionally involved in.


That's rich coming from the queen of emotion.:egbgb:

epicSocialism4tw
03-06-2011, 06:21 PM
That's rich coming from the queen of emotion.:egbgb:

Thats rich coming from the queen of emotional negative rep comments.

mattob14
03-06-2011, 06:23 PM
finally

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN6GjGgCNaY

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There's some really impressive plays in the Florida game. I love seeing him walk Pouncey (a potential 1st rounder) right back into the QB's face.

mattob14
03-06-2011, 06:29 PM
Dareus is the truly versatile interior DL in the whole draft. He can play 4-3 NT and UT. He has the quickness and explosiveness to be a 3 Tech. while having the sheer power and base to destroy the POA as a NT. What he is is the most disruptive player inside versus any scheme he will see in the NFL. I really like Fairley as a penetrator, but that makes him solely one dimensional and easier to plan against. I like Cameron Jordan's pure Versatility as a DL, but he is not as stout as Dareus in the inside run. Dareus can beat you no matter how you play him. He can beat you inside, outside, strong side, weakside, penetrating, bullrushing, and flat out effort. He is nasty after the snap and never quits. He reads screens and gets after weakside plays. He is a one on one Nightmare for a Center or Gaurd. Then, he helps up the guy he just clobbered ;D Old school DT with a great attitude.

I have wanted this guy since last year, and I hope they go get him. As far as guys looking better because of other players on the DL around them, that happens with teams that get great recruits sometimes. It can make guys look better, but you have to know the scheme and how it affects their play. Jamaal Anderson was a Scheme DL @ Arkanasas, and he did not have the other NFL players around him. This is not the case with Dareus. He is a monster, regardless of who played next to him.

That's one thing I've been thinking about lately. Assuming Dareus is the pick at #2 (and I'm starting to get the feeling he may be it), who do you come back with at #36? Looking at this draft class, DL may very well be the BPA at #36. Who would look better next to Dareus, a penetrator like Wilkerson, a run-stopper like Paea, or one of the DE's if Heyward, Clayborn, or Bailey fall?

cutthemdown
03-06-2011, 06:44 PM
Broncos are going to take Peterson. Then take DT in the end round. Just a gut feeling Elway and Xanders see dt value in the end, and Peterson too good to pass up.

He probably instantly makes our return game not only better, but maybe even big play type good.

It could help with turnovers as it would be hard to stay away from Bailey all the time with a young stud like Peterson on other side.

oubronco
03-06-2011, 07:13 PM
That's one thing I've been thinking about lately. Assuming Dareus is the pick at #2 (and I'm starting to get the feeling he may be it), who do you come back with at #36? Looking at this draft class, DL may very well be the BPA at #36. Who would look better next to Dareus, a penetrator like Wilkerson, a run-stopper like Paea, or one of the DE's if Heyward, Clayborn, or Bailey fall?

Hopefully Phil Taylor :approve:

CW81
03-06-2011, 07:43 PM
Broncos are going to take Peterson. Then take DT in the end round. Just a gut feeling Elway and Xanders see dt value in the end, and Peterson too good to pass up.

He probably instantly makes our return game not only better, but maybe even big play type good.

It could help with turnovers as it would be hard to stay away from Bailey all the time with a young stud like Peterson on other side.

You don't draft a CB at #2 and then have him return kicks.

yerner
03-06-2011, 07:50 PM
You don't draft a CB at #2 and then have him return kicks.

Peterson will certainly be returning punts. He is too good not to. Kickoffs are another story.

footstepsfrom#27
03-06-2011, 11:36 PM
You don't draft a CB at #2 and then have him return kicks.
I heard somebody a few weeks ago on NFL Network talking about how it's a myth that players are hurt more often returning punts and kickoffs. If you have a guy with that kind of return talent you use him...absolutely.

cutthemdown
03-07-2011, 01:28 AM
You don't draft a CB at #2 and then have him return kicks.

Ok I will bet you 500 bucks Peterson, if healthy and on an NFL team will be returning at least punts.

cutthemdown
03-07-2011, 01:30 AM
I heard somebody a few weeks ago on NFL Network talking about how it's a myth that players are hurt more often returning punts and kickoffs. If you have a guy with that kind of return talent you use him...absolutely.

It is a myth. We used Rod Smith a lot on punts because he was reliable. So we risked him even knowing he would never return a punt. That shows you teams value just catching the thing and advancing in 10 yrds. Smith was great at just getting up the field for 10-12 yrds every time.

I say it's 100% he's returning punts unless he happens to go to a team that already has a game breaking returner. I'd be willing to bet on it I am so sure.

cmhargrove
03-07-2011, 06:11 AM
The only thing I hate about this - AGAIN - is taking a highly ranked player, then immediately asking them to play a different position.

I see that he moved both inside and outside, but after watching those highlights it seems that the bulk of his playing time was at the DE position. In our system, he would be playing DT.

He is surprisingly good in open space, i'm just a little conncerned about the value at #2, then asking him to change positions. I guess that's a question for Fox to decide.

After watching the second reel, I think I am warming to Dareus even more.

Dareus is a guy that will consistently demand double teams, and will free up Dumervil and Ayers to "do their thing." We need someone who commands respect in the middle, and frees up other players to do their job.

I just wish that our next pick in round 2 could be a "hammer" style of MLB that also had some speed. I like Mays as "thumper," but i'm a little concerned about his lack of pursuit speed.

Oh well, we'll see soon enough.

mattob14
03-07-2011, 03:56 PM
Hopefully Phil Taylor :approve:

I'd take Taylor. I've seen him in the first round of A LOT of mocks lately, though. Taylor to KC at 21 seems to be a pretty popular pick.

SpringStein
03-09-2011, 11:58 AM
http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-2/Hardships-helped-to-shape-Dareus/37e79091-5d44-485a-aa8b-8a25976391ae

Human interest story - and how that has shaped Marcell.

GoBroncos84
03-09-2011, 07:11 PM
3/10/11: Marcell Dareus didn't run the 40 at his Pro Day, but he looked outstanding in the drills. He drew serious praise from Gil Brandt, who wrote, "To me, hes the real deal. Hes a power player like Ndamukong Suh was last year. He could have that kind of impact, I think." Representitves from all 32 teams, including John Elway and Buddy Nix, were present to watch the Alabama players work out.

http://walterfootball.com/proday2011march9.php

BlaK-Argentina
03-09-2011, 09:44 PM
If we don't draft this guy I'm going to be extremely disappointed.

No Peterson pleeeeeeeease.