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epicSocialism4tw
03-04-2011, 01:56 PM
"FENNVILLE, Mich. -- A Michigan high school's star basketball player collapsed on the court Thursday and later died after making a game-winning layup in overtime to cap his team's perfect season.

Wes Leonard of Fennville High died Thursday night, Holland Hospital spokeswoman Deb Patterson said.


Paramedics performed CPR on the 16-year-old before he was pronounced dead at the hospital, Patterson said.

The cause of death was cardiac arrest due to an enlarged heart, according to Dr. David A. Start, a forensic pathologist and chief medical examiner of Ottawa County"

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/highschool/news/story?id=6180469

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His heart was too big. Not surprising.

Talk about going out like Elijah...this boy went out on the shoulders of glory.

Very sad for his family.

TDmvp
03-04-2011, 02:02 PM
Wow ... So sad.

I guess if he had to die young hard to top that for story and being at least glorious kinda and not tragic like a car wreck or something.

And as far as the question of is there a better way for the kid to go . I'm going with not really.

The only thing I can think of is perverted/fantasy and requires Renee Herlocker that I mentioned in the who would you better party with thread.

epicSocialism4tw
03-04-2011, 02:05 PM
Wow ... So sad.

I guess if he had to die young hard to top that for story and being at least glorious kinda and not tragic like a car wreck or something.

And as far as the question of is there a better way for the kid to go . I'm going with not really.

The only thing I can think of is perverted/fantasy and requires Renee Herlocker that I mentioned in the who would you better party with thread.

That youngster will be a legend for generations, and his story will probably define that school's athletics department for the forseeable future.

TDmvp
03-04-2011, 02:09 PM
That youngster will be a legend for generations, and his story will probably define that school's athletics department for the forseeable future.

Agree ... it will totally be a legend there as long as there's a school.

They need to rename the court after Wes or something like that.

extralife
03-04-2011, 02:10 PM
A better way to die would be to not die at age 16.

epicSocialism4tw
03-04-2011, 02:11 PM
A better way to die would be to not die at age 16.

That's why I put "kid" in the title.

But everyone dies, man. Its just how things work.

schaaf
03-04-2011, 02:12 PM
A better way to die would be to not die at age 16.

are you serious?

crowebomber
03-04-2011, 02:12 PM
A better way to die would be to not die at age 16.

This. I'm sure his parents could care less about the outcome of a basketball game right now.

TheReverend
03-04-2011, 02:12 PM
A better way to die would be to not die at age 16.

Exactly. Let's not glorify an innocent life cut short or the anguish his family and friends are experiencing.

schaaf
03-04-2011, 02:13 PM
If i died at the age of 16, I couldn't think of a better way to go out.

TheReverend
03-04-2011, 02:13 PM
This. I'm sure his parents could care less about the outcome of a basketball game right now.

I'm pretty sure his teammates, coaches, and community feel the same way.

bowtown
03-04-2011, 02:14 PM
Guess he will also receive this year's Biggest Heart award.


Too soon?

epicSocialism4tw
03-04-2011, 02:14 PM
This. I'm sure his parents could care less about the outcome of a basketball game right now.

I'm sure they are so proud of their boy that it makes missing him that much more painful.

TDmvp
03-04-2011, 02:15 PM
A better way to die would be to not die at age 16.

Duh ... Dude you don't think everyone understands that ?

http://files.sharenator.com/captain_obvious_fails_12-s800x557-105063-535.jpg

55CrushEm
03-04-2011, 02:16 PM
If i died at the age of 16, I couldn't think of a better way to go out.

Unless, as TDMVP wrote, you died while Renee Herlocker was sitting on your face.

Smiling Assassin27
03-04-2011, 02:17 PM
"FENNVILLE, Mich. -- A Michigan high school's star basketball player collapsed on the court Thursday and later died after making a game-winning layup in overtime to cap his team's perfect season.

Wes Leonard of Fennville High died Thursday night, Holland Hospital spokeswoman Deb Patterson said.


Paramedics performed CPR on the 16-year-old before he was pronounced dead at the hospital, Patterson said.

The cause of death was cardiac arrest due to an enlarged heart, according to Dr. David A. Start, a forensic pathologist and chief medical examiner of Ottawa County"

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/highschool/news/story?id=6180469

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His heart was too big. Not surprising.

Talk about going out like Elijah...this boy went out on the shoulders of glory.

Very sad for his family.

As a guy that knew Hank Gathers and Bo Kimble, I can't help but see the parallels with this kid. Very sad that he was called so early.

epicSocialism4tw
03-04-2011, 02:17 PM
When people in that community remember Wes, they'll remember great accomplishment and glory. Wes' name has forever been tied to those things. What a gift his life turned out to be for kids in that community.

theAPAOps5
03-04-2011, 02:29 PM
A better way to die would be to not die at age 16.

This was my first thought as well but I see llama's point too. He died doing what he loved and doing it in a very monumental and profound way.

It sucks and I feel bad for his family and teammates and all the kids who had to witness that scene.

Los Broncos
03-04-2011, 02:38 PM
Wow, dont even know what to say, pretty sad and happy at the same time.

jhns
03-04-2011, 02:48 PM
Yes, there are many better ways for a kid to die. The best way to die would be to die and get revived a couple minuted later. Then there is a very long list of instant deaths that would be far better than suffering for some time...

I highly doubt this kid cares about basketball as he is taking his final breaths...

What a sad story.

Dean
03-04-2011, 02:51 PM
Doesn't Michigan require sports physicals to be taken by anyone going out for athletics?

Beantown Bronco
03-04-2011, 02:58 PM
Doesn't Michigan require sports physicals to be taken by anyone going out for athletics?

A standard high school physical isn't going to pick up an enlarged heart.

Height, weight, pulse, blood pressure and piss test at best.

alkemical
03-04-2011, 03:17 PM
"eating seeds is a past time activity...."

Our society loves to eat children. One way or another the exploitation of children is a big business.

bowtown
03-04-2011, 03:36 PM
"eating seeds is a past time activity...."

Our society loves to eat children. One way or another the exploitation of children is a big business.

Brandon Marshall also loves eating children, of the baby variety.

Broncosfreak_56
03-04-2011, 03:50 PM
When I read, the title, I thought drowning in a pool of chocolate milk made out of transformers would a pretty cool way for a kid to die. Then I read the story, and now I feel like an ass. I feel bad for that kid and his friends/family.

bowtown
03-04-2011, 03:52 PM
When I read, the title, I thought drowning in a pool of chocolate milk made out of transformers would a pretty cool way for a kid to die. Then I read the story, and now I feel like an ass. I feel bad for that kid and his friends/family.

At one point in my life that would have easily made the top 5... but then I turned 30. Everyone eventually has to grow up I suppose.

Jesterhole
03-04-2011, 04:04 PM
I'd rather die from excessive orgasms at the hands of a junior-college woman's volleyball team.

DennisSmithHOF
03-04-2011, 04:35 PM
Fennville is about 20 minutes away, quite the tragedy for his family. As a parent, it is heartbreaking to read this story. I am pretty sure that is the only undefeated record in the school's history, but who cares when a life is lost like this.

ZachKC
03-04-2011, 05:14 PM
I am pretty sure that is the only undefeated record in the school's history, but who cares when a life is lost like this.

The thread starter does.

Yea, it is weird to me as well.

broncolife
03-04-2011, 05:30 PM
I think watching the broncos win the super bowl would have been a better way to die. Shiat I almost kicked the can watching the Gb vs Den game. My heart felt like it was an alien trying to bust out of my chest.

gunns
03-04-2011, 05:40 PM
This. I'm sure his parents could care less about the outcome of a basketball game right now.

Exactly. I don't care if my kid made the final score to win the state championship, it would not, in any way, take away or soften that terrible anguish.

gunns
03-04-2011, 05:53 PM
I think watching the broncos win the super bowl would have been a better way to die. Shiat I almost kicked the can watching the Gb vs Den game. My heart felt like it was an alien trying to bust out of my chest.

LOL I thought I was going to die after they won. I had told people that I'd probably die after Denver won a SB because it was my one big dream at the time. When they did I got a little worried!

Tombstone RJ
03-04-2011, 06:22 PM
for a 16 year old red-blooded-American-male, yes, there's better ways to die. He could have ended it all with a monster-in-your-face slam dunk, then gone out and partied his ass off like like Charlie Sheen, then bagged the two hottest cheerleaders in the school, collapsing at 4am Saturday morning while snorting lines of blow off one of the cheerleaders teets...

Natedogg
03-04-2011, 06:35 PM
for a 16 year old red-blooded-American-male, yes, there's better ways to die. He could have ended it all with a monster-in-your-face slam dunk, then gone out and partied his ass off like like Charlie Sheen, then bagged the two hottest cheerleaders in the school, collapsing at 4am Saturday morning while snorting lines of blow off one of the cheerleaders teets...

QFT

Bronco Yoda
03-04-2011, 06:48 PM
My best friend died at 17. He jumped in to save someone drowning in the Platt River. He saved the boy but couldn't get out himself. He'll always be my hero.

I was away visiting family that week during the summer otherwise I probably would have been right there with him at that moment. Felt guilt for years. I still wonder 'what if' had I been there even though I know he was a much stronger swimmer than I was.

BroncoMan4ever
03-04-2011, 07:20 PM
"FENNVILLE, Mich. -- A Michigan high school's star basketball player collapsed on the court Thursday and later died after making a game-winning layup in overtime to cap his team's perfect season.

Wes Leonard of Fennville High died Thursday night, Holland Hospital spokeswoman Deb Patterson said.


Paramedics performed CPR on the 16-year-old before he was pronounced dead at the hospital, Patterson said.

The cause of death was cardiac arrest due to an enlarged heart, according to Dr. David A. Start, a forensic pathologist and chief medical examiner of Ottawa County"

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/highschool/news/story?id=6180469

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His heart was too big. Not surprising.

Talk about going out like Elijah...this boy went out on the shoulders of glory.

Very sad for his family.

yes, there is a better way for a young man to die. as an old man who lived a full and happy life. sure he had his moment of glory, but he didn't get to enjoy it. he will never get to look back and remember his day.

Eldorado
03-04-2011, 07:32 PM
"FENNVILLE, Mich. -- A Michigan high school's star basketball player collapsed on the court Thursday and later died after making a game-winning layup in overtime to cap his team's perfect season.

Wes Leonard of Fennville High died Thursday night, Holland Hospital spokeswoman Deb Patterson said.


Paramedics performed CPR on the 16-year-old before he was pronounced dead at the hospital, Patterson said.

The cause of death was cardiac arrest due to an enlarged heart, according to Dr. David A. Start, a forensic pathologist and chief medical examiner of Ottawa County"

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/highschool/news/story?id=6180469

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His heart was too big. Not surprising.

Talk about going out like Elijah...this boy went out on the shoulders of glory.

Very sad for his family.

epic'fvkhead'ftw

I would say something about you, or your thread, but I feel that would be dignifying you to some degree and I can't bring myself to do that.

RIP

epicSocialism4tw
03-04-2011, 10:06 PM
My best friend died at 17. He jumped in to save someone drowning in the Platt River. He saved the boy but couldn't get out himself. He'll always be my hero.

I was away visiting family that week during the summer otherwise I probably would have been right there with him at that moment. Felt guilt for years. I still wonder 'what if' had I been there even though I know he was a much stronger swimmer than I was.

You have just shown us the answer to the question.

"Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." John 15:13

OABB
03-04-2011, 11:10 PM
That kid was all heart....

HAT
03-04-2011, 11:14 PM
What a ****ing disgusting thread title....

OABB
03-04-2011, 11:15 PM
What a ****ing disgusting thread title....

Epicsocialretardftl is the gift that keeps on giving.

phisig150
03-05-2011, 12:52 AM
That kid was all heart....

Hahahahahaha. Nice. Or are we all supposed to pretend to care about someone we never met and the people are disgusted by gallows humor will forget completely about by weeks end?

TDmvp
03-05-2011, 12:52 AM
I don't get why everyone is hating EpicSo for the topic of this thread or the title so I'm going to rant for 30mins.

This story is everywhere today , from Espn to Msnbc news , Cnn , Yahoo , even my local news touched on it...

In every instance they spoke of the same content of this thread which Epic didn't even make up he was quoting and one even saying his heart was always bigger and not from a medical way but in the way he loved his friends and family. Just like Epic mentioned.


And to all the people who keep having a issue with the "is there a better way to die as a child " part of this whole thing and saying stuff like a better way would have to of died and been revived or not to have died at all , Grow the F up ...

Of course we all understand the obviousness that it would have been better if he would have died a old man with his grandchildren and family by his side but sometimes that doesn't happen.

If it was this boys time and when it is , it is , there wasn't much of a better way it could have happened.
It is never a joyous or fun thing when someone dies. But at least keep things in prospective please.

People die everyday , and yes some of them are children

In this day in age where just in the town I live in , in the past year there has been at least 4 kids under 16 take their own lives ONE LIVING NEXT DOOR to me , a 12 year old hit by a car and killed , a 11 year old left in a closest for a weekend while the FOSTER parents attended a concert and the child died , a 16 year old girl hit by a stray bullet at a teen nightclub and killed and then one of her friends killed the following weekend at a benefit for her when a scuffle broke out and thats basically since Thanksgiving.

So once again , lets put this into prospective .

When a child dies it's never anything normal , like old age or something middle aged people die from normally. It's always something SHOCKING.

To a illness like cancer or a car crash in their teens or a violent crime or accident.

So I would think anyone with half a brain could see why the media is reporting on this differently because of the circumstances around the death in ways being uplifting IN A TIME of sadness and being a best cased scenario if a young man had to die.

I really don't get all the drama on this tho unless it's just ton of people hate EpicSo , because if you think this through a little it's really as bout as good as it could be to of had to lose a great young man...

He threw 7 touchdowns leading his school to a divi. Title last season and then a perfect season in basketball and was a classy young man while doing it and left this world a little better than he found it.

The world should be so humble.


I think this is more hate for Epic thing or just not thinking it through tho...
I've say my peace and will leave it be.

schaaf
03-05-2011, 01:01 AM
I for one enjoyed your thread Epic,

It is not normal for a high school kid to die, but the kid loves sports and I'm sure he wouldn't have picked it any differently, this isn't about the school, his parents, or friends. This is about him, don't take that away from him

IMO, If I had to die in high school I couldn't have picked a better way to go out and really set an example for friends and younger kids. I talked to my dad about this earlier (who I look to for advise on topics like this because I really value his opinion) and after telling him the story, he replied with, "Wow, the kid went out on top"

So IMO there wouldn't be a better way to die, doing something you love and having one of the best performances of your career.

TDmvp
03-05-2011, 01:05 AM
I for one enjoyed your thread Epic,

It is not normal for a high school kid to die, but the kid loves sports and I'm sure he wouldn't have picked it any differently, this isn't about the school, his parents, or friends. This is about him, don't take that away from him

IMO, If I had to die in high school I couldn't have picked a better way to go out and really set an example for friends and younger kids. I talked to my dad about this earlier (who I look to for advise on topics like this because I really value his opinion) and after telling him the story, he replied with, "Wow, the kid went out on top"

So IMO there wouldn't be a better way to die, doing something you love and having one of the best performances of your career.


Well said...

footstepsfrom#27
03-05-2011, 01:33 AM
Is There a Better Way for a Kid to Die?
Yes there is...old age.

epicSocialism4tw
03-05-2011, 01:35 AM
Yes there is...old age.

I have yet to meet a child who is elderly.

footstepsfrom#27
03-05-2011, 01:39 AM
I have yet to meet a child who is elderly.
It's called Progeria...horrible disease that ages children super rapidly.

http://raredisorders.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/progeria1.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
03-05-2011, 01:43 AM
It's called Progeria...horrible disease that ages children super rapidly.

http://raredisorders.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/progeria1.jpg

That's not an elderly, child. That's a child with a degenerative disease. They die very young.

footstepsfrom#27
03-05-2011, 01:54 AM
That's not an elderly, child. That's a child with a degenerative disease. They die very young.
Yep...like I said, old age is where it's at if you gotta go. ;D

epicSocialism4tw
03-05-2011, 10:28 AM
Yep...like I said, old age is where it's at if you gotta go.

There was a little girl with progeria in one of my east arlington after-school classes years ago. It was interesting to watch other kids around her. They protected and looked out for her. Someone was always carrying her and attending to her needs.

ZachKC
03-06-2011, 08:32 PM
Days later and this thread is still mad dickish.

errand
03-07-2011, 08:59 AM
I'm sure he knows by now, but i wonder if at the time, did he know he'd just won the game?

RIP young man....you only live once, but if you live it right, once is enough.