Its about to get real for Dems in Wisconsin, teachers to suffer for unions/dems' obstinance

[epicSocialism4tw]

Dems placed in contempt, can be restrained by force
"MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- The Republican leader of the Wisconsin Senate has signed orders finding 14 AWOL Democrats in contempt. The orders signed Thursday allow the sergeant at arms to detain the missing senators and use police force if necessary."
http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/117325873.html

Walker forced to proceed with teacher layoffs with no agreement
"MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker said Thursday that he will issue layoff notices to 1,500 state workers on Friday if his proposal forcing them to pay more for benefits and taking away nearly all their collective bargaining rights isn't passed by then."
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WISCONSIN_BUDGET_WALKER?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-03-03-16-38-35

Judge Orders Protesters: Get Out
"MADISON, Wis. - A Wisconsin judge has ordered pro-union protesters to be removed from the state Capitol.

Dane County Circuit Judge John Albert ruled Thursday night that protesters remaining in the building should be immediately removed — along with any unauthorized materials such as sleeping bags and signs taped to the Capitol walls."
http://www.cnbc.com/id/41897112

[Rohirrim]

Tea baggers celebrate the power of government as it is used by fascists to destroy unions.

[cutthemdown]

Tea baggers celebrate the power of government as it is used by fascists to destroy unions.

What part of these ruling do you disagree with. Certainly you don't think people have a right to protest anywhere do you? The judge is within his rights to say enough is enough take your protest out of the Capital where work has to be done. Otherwise precedent set for any group that has 10-20 thousand people willing to do it to shut down the capital. That would be chaos. He's not saying they can't protest, only they can't infringe on the rights of other taxpayers to have the capitol access open for business.

Also the politicians are being paid to work not run around hiding. That is ridiculous and sets a bad precedent if it works.

[DBruleU]

What part of these ruling do you disagree with. Certainly you don't think people have a right to protest anywhere do you? The judge is within his rights to say enough is enough take your protest out of the Capital where work has to be done. Otherwise precedent set for any group that has 10-20 thousand people willing to do it to shut down the capital. That would be chaos. He's not saying they can't protest, only they can't infringe on the rights of other taxpayers to have the capitol access open for business.

Also the politicians are being paid to work not run around hiding. That is ridiculous and sets a bad precedent if it works.

This entire episode has set a terrible precedent. I can't even imagine how up in arms the left would be if Republicans went and hid in another state to avoid voting on an issue they know they are going to lose. It shows the public, and the youth in this country, if you can't win, cheat and whine in the corner until you get your way.

We also have teachers skipping school with fake doctor notes, but we tell students in school they face detention or expulsion if they were to lie and cheat their way out of school. The democrats in WI are definitely of a high 'maturity' level.

[Garcia Bronco]

Come March 31st..all those teachers will be fired and replaced.

[Garcia Bronco]

Tea baggers celebrate the power of government as it is used by fascists to destroy unions.

LOL Hyperbole.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Self inflicted wounds are a biatch.

When we were 2 years old, we all learned that decisions have consequences--glaring ones and unforeseen ones.

[peacepipe]

Dems placed in contempt, can be restrained by force
"MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- The Republican leader of the Wisconsin Senate has signed orders finding 14 AWOL Democrats in contempt. The orders signed Thursday allow the sergeant at arms to detain the missing senators and use police force if necessary."
http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/117325873.html (http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/117325873.html)


meaningless considering he nor any of the police have no jurisdiction outside of wisconsin
Walker forced to proceed with teacher layoffs with no agreement
"MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker said Thursday that he will issue layoff notices to 1,500 state workers on Friday if his proposal forcing them to pay more for benefits and taking away nearly all their collective bargaining rights isn't passed by then."
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...03-03-16-38-35 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WISCONSIN_BUDGET_WALKER?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-03-03-16-38-35)
that's a choice he's going to have toaccept responsibility for. as it will only strengthen the resolve of the protestors. BTW how many times has he made this threat. wasn't he supposed to issue these layoffs 3 days ago

[peacepipe]

http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979115378

In Madison, Wisconsin, protesters are claiming victory over Governor Scott Walker. Walker attempted to block protesters from entering the building, in a bid to assert control. However, Judge John Albert of Dane County ruled on Thursday that protesters can occupy the building during normal business hours, but cannot stay overnight

[cutthemdown]

meaningless considering he nor any of the police have no jurisdiction outside of wisconsin
that's a choice he's going to have toaccept responsibility for. as it will only strengthen the resolve of the protestors. BTW how many times has he made this threat. wasn't he supposed to issue these layoffs 3 days ago

They are sneaking back into the state at times. Didn't you read the whole thing? Also it will be much more expensive for them to house the protesters now. They will have to drive home, or get a room, or something.

You can't stop the from protesting but you can make it more miserable for them.

[peacepipe]

They are sneaking back into the state at times. Didn't you read the whole thing? Also it will be much more expensive for them to house the protesters now. They will have to drive home, or get a room, or something.

You can't stop the from protesting but you can make it more miserable for them.

at times maybe but still meaningless.

[Missouribronc]

They are sneaking back into the state at times. Didn't you read the whole thing?

Makes me wonder if Illinois will extradite...

[peacepipe]

Makes me wonder if Illinois will extradite...

NO would be the answer to that question.

[Missouribronc]

NO would be the answer to that question.

I love how people taking their ball and going home, and not doing the job they were elected and are paid to do is being applauded. That's just pathetic.

[elsid13]

Come March 31st..all those teachers will be fired and replaced.

Replaced by whom? There is national shortage in teachers and do you think anyone going to move to Wisconsin with current unsettled work environment?

[peacepipe]

I love how people taking their ball and going home, and not doing the job they were elected and are paid to do is being applauded. That's just pathetic.they are doing their job. they're making sure their voters don't get screwed. what they are doing is essentially a filibuster. it was one of our great presidents who set the precidents for this. abe lincoln.

[cutthemdown]

Replaced by whom? There is national shortage in teachers and do you think anyone going to move to Wisconsin with current unsettled work environment?

Maybe just send the kids home and say no school. That would boil this thing over in a second. Once parents had nowhere to send there kids for free babysitting!

[bronclvr]

It's a great example these guys are setting-whenever a problem arises that you can't win, run-I would really want one these guys next to me in a dark alley-

[Rohirrim]

He can layoff all the teachers and they can march right down to the unemployment office. ;D

Or, he can get his little tyrant head out of his ass and start negotiating.

[BroncoLifer]

Or, he can get his little tyrant head out of his ass and start negotiating.

Good advice for Obama.

[Rohirrim]

Good advice for Obama.

Regarding?

[BroncoLifer]

Regarding?

His style of governing.

[Rohirrim]

His style of governing.

Given that the opposition parties' leaders started the session by declaring that "Compromise is not in our dictionary," who do you suggest he compromise with?

[Missouribronc]

they are doing their job. they're making sure their voters don't get screwed. what they are doing is essentially a filibuster. it was one of our great presidents who set the precidents for this. abe lincoln.

No. Their job is to be in the capital debating the merits of the proposal not running and hiding. In fact, if it was a filibuster, I'd be OK with it.

[Rohirrim]

No. Their job is to be in the capital debating the merits of the proposal not running and hiding. In fact, if it was a filibuster, I'd be OK with it.

Their job is to follow their own conscience and the will of their constituents. I doubt any of them gets voted out by this. The people they represent want this little tyrant in Madison stopped.

[Missouribronc]

Their job is to follow their own conscience and the will of their constituents. I doubt any of them gets voted out by this. The people they represent want this little tyrant in Madison stopped.

Oh yes, the tyrant who found a way to allow every teacher in the state to retain their job...and then everyone hated the plan because they'd have to pay 5 percent of their benefits package.

What a tyrant.

[Garcia Bronco]

Replaced by whom? There is national shortage in teachers and do you think anyone going to move to Wisconsin with current unsettled work environment?

I am sure the pool will be in part the people that got fired because they need to eat. Otherwise it's a slow process that will take a long time.

the free ride is over for these people gaming the system; and they've got no one to blame but themselves. Hat's off to the patience displayed by governor walker. He was really has been good to these people for as long as he can.

[Garcia Bronco]

meaningless considering he nor any of the police have no jurisdiction outside of wisconsin


They know where they are and can go get them if they wish. It'll be funny to see their mug shots on the internet.

[Garcia Bronco]

they are doing their job. they're making sure their voters don't get screwed. what they are doing is essentially a filibuster. it was one of our great presidents who set the precidents for this. abe lincoln.

Abe Lincoln was a dip**** criminal too.

[Garcia Bronco]

He can layoff all the teachers and they can march right down to the unemployment office. ;D

Or, he can start negotiating.

Negotiations are over. In fact, there is nothing to negotiate on. Those workers are going to lose the ability to collectively bargain for benefits in a bankrupt state. It's already over.

The state is 17 billion dollars in debt. It's over. Sorry ladies.

[Rohirrim]

Oh yes, the tyrant who found a way to allow every teacher in the state to retain their job...and then everyone hated the plan because they'd have to pay 5 percent of their benefits package.

What a tyrant.

Walker's tax cuts for the rich created the hole in the budget that he is now trying to fill by busting the unions. Had he left things alone, Wisconsin would have ended the year with a surplus. In other words, Reaganomics all over again.

[TailgateNut]

Maybe just send the kids home and say no school. That would boil this thing over in a second. Once parents had nowhere to send there kids for free babysitting!


LOL


Why don't you just stick to blowing on your horn!

[elsid13]

I am sure the pool will be in part the people that got fired because they need to eat. Otherwise it's a slow process that will take a long time.

the free ride is over for these people gaming the system; and they've got no one to blame but themselves. Hat's off to the patience displayed by governor walker. He was really has been good to these people for as long as he can.

What free ride? They showed up and did their jobs under the agreement. It not their fault the economy is ****ty or that that elected officials didn't do a better job of managing pension fund.

[Garcia Bronco]

Walker's tax cuts for the rich created the hole in the budget that he is now trying to fill by busting the unions. Had he left things alone, Wisconsin would have ended the year with a surplus. In other words, Reaganomics all over again.

Utter nonsense...another person that doesn't know the difference between a budget and deficit.

WISCONSIN IS 17 BILLION IN DEBT RIGHT NOW.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Their job is to follow their own conscience and the will of their constituents. I doubt any of them gets voted out by this. The people they represent want this little tyrant in Madison stopped.

There are already petitions circulating in their districts to have them recalled and replaced.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Utter nonsense...another person that doesn't know the difference between a budget and deficit.

WISCONSIN IS 17 BILLION IN DEBT RIGHT NOW.

"Deficit" is their way of obfuscating. A deficit is the difference between tax money flowing in and government spending flowing out.

For people that may not know, all people like Rohirrim are interested in is increasing the government spending flowing out, and INCREASING TAXES on private citizens to make up the difference. Thats what people refer to when they talk about redistribution of money. The bureaucrats (dems) give that money to unions. They take it from private peoples' pockets and give it to these union goons like Trumka.

Its a giant scam and it has gone on far too long.

These morons are kicking and screaming about it because they'd rather the money come from your pocket than for them to earn it on their own.

[NUB]

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[OrangenBlueOhio]

"gaming the system" wow you are too much. Good luck finding those "better" teachers.

[bronclvr]

Did I mention to all of you that I just purchased a new Gun? Yes, yes I did-it's made by Ruger, and it's called a Union Worker-




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[Garcia Bronco]

What free ride? They showed up and did their jobs under the agreement. It not their fault the economy is ****ty or that that elected officials didn't do a better job of managing pension fund.

That's why, and I don't think you've made an accurate statement, you don't let elected officals manage a pension fund. You are making my point.

Eitherway...we aren't talking about breaking contracts in Wisconsin. We aren't talking about taking pensions away. The legislation is talking about the future and public sector unions being able to collectively bargain for benefits. Not pay, but benefits. Like I said...the free ride is over.

[TailgateNut]

Did I mention to all of you that I just purchased a new Gun? Yes, yes I did-it's made by Ruger, and it's called a Union Worker-




It doesn't work, and

















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I can't fire it!


^5

[TailgateNut]

Let them call it union busting, or what the **** ever they want, it's OVERDUE and OUT OF DATE.

[peacepipe]

They know where they are and can go get them if they wish. It'll be funny to see their mug shots on the internet.actually they can't unless there on hot pursuit ie car chase or in joint effort with the other states police. there is no car chase & the illinois police aren't going to be assisting them. the 14 dems can sit right at the border if they wish & nothing legally can be done about it.

[peacepipe]

There are already petitions circulating in their districts to have them recalled and replaced.

that's funny. there happens to be a recall effort in place for all 8 republicans who can be recalled. there will be another one in jan. for walker himself.

[peacepipe]

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/rasmussen-poll-almost-six-in-ten-wisconsin-voters-disapprove-of-gov-walker.php?ref=fpa
not even rasmussen can dig him out of this hole.

[cutthemdown]

I do agree with peace the gov IMO taking too big a stand. He should have accepted them paying more into the pensions, taking less raises, in exchange for leaving collective bargaining alone for now.

Sure you can try and play hardball like this but both parties need to learn to work together more.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I do agree with peace the gov IMO taking too big a stand. He should have accepted them paying more into the pensions, taking less raises, in exchange for leaving collective bargaining alone for now.

Sure you can try and play hardball like this but both parties need to learn to work together more.

The Dems have no bargaining chips. The Governor has no reason to bargain with them.

Union intimidation tactics shouldnt scare politicians into cowering to their demands, and thats exactly whats happening here.

[Missouribronc]

actually they can't unless there on hot pursuit ie car chase or in joint effort with the other states police. there is no car chase & the illinois police aren't going to be assisting them. the 14 dems can sit right at the border if they wish & nothing legally can be done about it.

I love how you applaud blatant insubordination.

It only shows how much of a piece of **** you are.

[peacepipe]

I love how you applaud blatant insubordination.

It only shows how much of a piece of **** you are.
go **** yourself. i'm proud as can be about them. a governor acting as a dictator has no place in our country.

[epicSocialism4tw]

go **** yourself. i'm proud as can be about them. a governor acting as a dictator has no place in our country.

Dictator? Ha!

Wow, you people really are out of touch.

If you want to know what a dictator looks like, look over at Gaddafi. Walker's a dadgum state Governor.

[peacepipe]

Dictator? Ha!

Wow, you people really are out of touch.

If you want to know what a dictator looks like, look over at Gaddafi. Walker's a dadgum state Governor.

whos days are numbered. i'm reffering to a recall BTW.

[epicSocialism4tw]

whos days are numbered. i'm reffering to a recall BTW.

Right. Ha!

Its amazing the level of cowardice that these democrats will employ.

[peacepipe]

Right. Ha!

Its amazing the level of cowardice that these democrats will employ.
it's called courage, they are willing to stake their jobs on doing what's right.

[epicSocialism4tw]

it's called courage, they are willing to stake their jobs on doing what's right.

LOL

What's right? Those people are just doing the bidding of their beholders. The unions OWN them. Literally. They're doing what they have to, alright...doing what they have to do to keep their gravy train flowing straight from the taxpayers' wallets.

[cutthemdown]

The Dems have no bargaining chips. The Governor has no reason to bargain with them.

Union intimidation tactics shouldnt scare politicians into cowering to their demands, and thats exactly whats happening here.

I'm just saying sometimes it's ok to compromise even when you hold all the cards. You tell unions ok lets make the deal on the monetary side and you can keep collective bargaining. Then see how things go from there. It's probably never good politically if you shut down govt. Republicans should have learned that lesson already.

You basically give in, say we only did because they shut down govt, then wait and see how voters react.

Someone will have to give at some point but I think the gov loses the most in a situation where layoffs and govt shutdowns occur.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I'm just saying sometimes it's ok to compromise even when you hold all the cards. You tell unions ok lets make the deal on the monetary side and you can keep collective bargaining. Then see how things go from there. It's probably never good politically if you shut down govt. Republicans should have learned that lesson already.

You basically give in, say we only did because they shut down govt, then wait and see how voters react.

Someone will have to give at some point but I think the gov loses the most in a situation where layoffs and govt shutdowns occur.

The repubs didnt shut down the government. Thats just not a true idea. The dems literally left the state to shut down the government.

Its one thing to vote "no" as many repubs did to Obama's extremist liberal policies that got rammed through congress and the senate. Those people were there representing their constituencies.

Its another thing altogether to leave the state and to use guerilla tactics to shut the govt. down.

These morons just lost 1500 teachers their jobs.

[JJJ]

Fleeing the state is just so ridiculous. Man up, make your arguments, and get the votes you need to pass what you want.

These people have to represent all their constituents not just the ones that agree with them. For their constituents not to have a representative in their senate is a criminal shucking of their responsibilities as elected officials. There are other issues besides this one that they deserve to be represented on.

If these people don't serve some sort of prison term after this is over I will sorely disappointed.

[DBruleU]

it's called courage, they are willing to stake their jobs on doing what's right.

go **** yourself. i'm proud as can be about them. a governor acting as a dictator has no place in our country.

And this basically right here embodies what is wrong with the self-destructing, entitlement driven left of this country. You guys are bankrupting and destroying this country!

Unbelievable how you can be "proud" of a bunch of AWOL cowards who took their ball from the playground because they know they can't win on this issue. They are no better than children at this point. None of them should be trusted with the job they were elected to do. They have proven they can't be trusted now.

And you can certainly bet you would be sitting right there at your keyboard pontificating how the republicans were all a bunch of AWOL douche bags had the tables been turned here.

[Rohirrim]

The truth is that Walker is using his majority to shove through extremist legislation. The Senators knew they couldn't block it, so they left the state, both to deprive the Right of the caucus needed to pass these extremist measures, and to use the time to raise public awareness in Wisconsin so the people could see what Walker is up to. As more of the tea party whackos gain public office and try to shove through their radical, fascist agenda, more and more Americans will be required to take a courageous stand against them. This type of legislative extremism is a new thing in America, hatched on the Right, and fomented by Fox News and corporate manipulators like the Koch Bros to pump even more wealth and power into corporate pockets.

[That One Guy]

If they're actually charged with a crime in Wisconsin, isn't it federal law that Illinois would have to extradite?

[Jetmeck]

LOL

What's right? Those people are just doing the bidding of their beholders. The unions OWN them. Literally. They're doing what they have to, alright...doing what they have to do to keep their gravy train flowing straight from the taxpayers' wallets.

Didnt have to look far the the idiot that started this thread.............why do you think Walker is pushing these union busting bills ? He is wholly owned by BIG BUSINESS..........

Nobody voted that idiot Walker in to do this. He has NO MANDATE TO UNDO A HUNDRED YEARS OF GAINS MADE BY LABOR !!!!

If the people knew what this idiot had in mind he wouldnt have been elected. Those 14 so called cowardly democrats are holding up this for real COWARDLY BIG BUSINESS legislation and giving time for a debate that involves what the people want.

THE PEOPLE DO NOT WANT THE BARGAINING RIGHTS OF THE UNION CURTAILED,......THE POLLS PROVE ME OUT. tHE PEOPLE WANT THEM TO PAY MORE FOR THEIR BENFITS AND ETC AND THEY HAVE OFFERED TO DO SO.

ONLY AN IDIOT WOULD SUPPORT WALKER..............

[Jetmeck]

Not a damn thing will happen to the 14 Dems...........when you are right, you are right///////////////////

[Jetmeck]

If they're actually charged with a crime in Wisconsin, isn't it federal law that Illinois would have to extradite?

I doubt that has been thought of yet so I guess that answer would be no, huh ?

You wish...................

[epicSocialism4tw]

Not a damn thing will happen to the 14 Dems...........when you are right, you are right///////////////////

The longer they are gone, the more time that the repubs have to devise legislation to pull their salaries.

[Garcia Bronco]

If they're actually charged with a crime in Wisconsin, isn't it federal law that Illinois would have to extradite?

Yes.

[peacepipe]

only if they were charged with a crime. no crime was commited,hence no extradition.

[epicSocialism4tw]

only if they were charged with a crime. no crime was commited,hence no extradition.

If they are found in the state, they can be arrested.

[peacepipe]

If they are found in the state, they can be arrested.NO SH!T! REALLY! I guess they better stay out of WI.

[epicSocialism4tw]

NO ****! REALLY! I guess they better stay out of WI.

May as well just move their families down to Chicago and just let the people of Wisconsin handle the peoples' business.

[DBruleU]

The truth is that Walker is using his majority to shove through extremist legislation. The Senators knew they couldn't block it, so they left the state, both to deprive the Right of the caucus needed to pass these extremist measures, and to use the time to raise public awareness in Wisconsin so the people could see what Walker is up to. As more of the tea party whackos gain public office and try to shove through their radical, fascist agenda, more and more Americans will be required to take a courageous stand against them. This type of legislative extremism is a new thing in America, hatched on the Right, and fomented by Fox News and corporate manipulators like the Koch Bros to pump even more wealth and power into corporate pockets.

Gee...that sounds familiar.

[That One Guy]

I guess I must've misunderstood the contempt part. I thought they meant the actual crime variant not just a for fun, variant.

Does the resolution not hold any actual weight? If they can be arrested in Wisconsin for something, why not elsewhere? Either there's a justification to arresting someone - in which case it would be justified in any state - or there's not. What a confusing scenario.

[Missouribronc]

I guess I must've misunderstood the contempt part. I thought they meant the actual crime variant not just a for fun, variant.

Does the resolution not hold any actual weight? If they can be arrested in Wisconsin for something, why not elsewhere? Either there's a justification to arresting someone - in which case it would be justified in any state - or there's not. What a confusing scenario.

I was also confused by the use of the term. Apparently, there is debate as to how much authority this actually carries.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110303/GPG0101/110303075/Wisconsin-Senate-head-signs-orders-contempt-against-missing-Democrats

Even law professors are disagreeing over it.

Marquette University Law School professor Dan Blinka said no matter how it's described, the resolution calls for what amounts to an arrest that would have to be justified under the law. If it's found unconstitutional, any action taken by the senators after they were forced to return could be invalidated, Blinka said.

Howard Schweber, an associate political science and law professor at the University of Wisconsin, said Senate Republicans can properly order police to enforce their rules, as long as they don't try to impose criminal sanctions on the Democrats.

[cutthemdown]

Why not just pretend dems won, say we will drop the ending collective bargaining. Then when dems come back to vote lock doors and say too bad we are voting on the bill as is?

[Jetmeck]

May as well just move their families down to Chicago and just let the people of Wisconsin handle the peoples' business.

You mean let Walker **** over the people, gawd ur an A$$

[Jetmeck]

Why not just pretend dems won, say we will drop the ending collective bargaining. Then when dems come back to vote lock doors and say too bad we are voting on the bill as is?

Go ahead try it.................see what happens. The capital will be shut down................

[Jetmeck]

I guess I must've misunderstood the contempt part. I thought they meant the actual crime variant not just a for fun, variant.

Does the resolution not hold any actual weight? If they can be arrested in Wisconsin for something, why not elsewhere? Either there's a justification to arresting someone - in which case it would be justified in any state - or there's not. What a confusing scenario.

Yes it would be to someone who cannot tell the difference between right and wrong................BTW your tv been stuck on FOXNEWS for too long.

[cutthemdown]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_wisconsin_budget_unions


Looks like the court ruling working. Protests dwindling down, and down. Soon layoffs will occur and more union people will be out of work. What's next after the layoffs?

[Jetmeck]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_wisconsin_budget_unions


Looks like the court ruling working. Protests dwindling down, and down. Soon layoffs will occur and more union people will be out of work. What's next after the layoffs?

The ruling was they had to leave the inside of the courthouse/CAPITAL BUILDING BUT THE RULING ALSO SAID THE GOVERNOR COULD NOT RESTRICT ANYONE FROM BEING IN THE CAPITAL BUILDING DURING WORKING HOURS SO THIS IS NOT over by a long shot and there still protestors outside as we speak and many more will return outside and inside the building come Monday morning......................

Wrong again, hopeful thinking on your part..... maybe if this dumbass of a gov insists with his union busting program some people will be laid off temp but I doubt it but when this BS is quashed
all workers will be better off in the long run...........

[Missouribronc]

The ruling was they had to leave the inside of the courthouse/CAPITAL BUILDING BUT THE RULING ALSO SAID THE GOVERNOR COULD NOT RESTRICT ANYONE FROM BEING IN THE CAPITAL BUILDING DURING WORKING HOURS SO THIS IS NOT over by a long shot and there still protestors outside as we speak and many more will return outside and inside the building come Monday morning......................

Wrong again, hopeful thinking on your part..... maybe if this dumbass of a gov insists with his union busting program some people will be laid off temp but I doubt it but when this BS is quashed
all workers will be better off in the long run...........

1500 workers won't.

See, the Governor can't spend any more than he has, and because the Unions and the Dems who left the state won't even talk about compromise, 1500 people are going to lose their jobs.

Idiots, all of them.

[Jetmeck]

1500 workers won't.

See, the Governor can't spend any more than he has, and because the Unions and the Dems who left the state won't even talk about compromise, 1500 people are going to lose their jobs.

Idiots, all of them.

GAWD DAMMIT, YOU EMBARRASS YOURSELF and me as a fellow Missourian.

The unions agreed 7-10 days ago to give the concessions the gov wants, he wont sit down and talk........because he wants to take away their bargaining rights. This isnt financial or it would already be done. This is about some right wing NUT JOB TEA BAGGER trying to hurt the Dmocratic party and help Big business.

If you dont believe the unions already agreed to concessions where you been under a rock...its been all over the news....!!!!

[Missouribronc]

GAWD DAMMIT, YOU EMBARRASS YOURSELF and me as a fellow Missourian.

The unions agreed 7-10 days ago to give the concessions the gov wants, he wont sit down and talk........because he wants to take away their bargaining rights. This isnt financial or it would already be done. This is about some right wing NUT JOB TEA BAGGER trying to hurt the Dmocratic party and help Big business.

If you dont believe the unions already agreed to concessions where you been under a rock...its been all over the news....!!!!

You're a nut job. Private business isn't even involved in this, and yet your claiming this is helping big business. How stupid can you get?

[Jetmeck]

You're a nut job. Private business isn't even involved in this, and yet your claiming this is helping big business. How stupid can you get?

Embarass yourself again or showing your age....what happens here will bleed down into any union negotiation or even future legislation in other states.................

[Missouribronc]

Embarass yourself again or showing your age....what happens here will bleed down into any union negotiation or even future legislation in other states.................

Can you comprehend the difference between the public and the private sector?

[Jetmeck]

Can you comprehend the difference between the public and the private sector?

Ask one of your republican big business friends to explain why this will affect every union in the country if its passed ?

I am laughing too hard at you to type ANYMORE !!!!

[Missouribronc]

Ask one of your republican big business friends to explain why this will affect every union in the country if its passed ?

I am laughing too hard at you to type ANYMORE !!!!

**** corporations. Let the government run it.

Good solution!

[Missouribronc]

Does anyone else find it ironic that the NFLPA's best option in negotiations seems to be decertifying as a union, and then suing as a collective group of individuals, rather than going through negotiations as a union?

Anyone?

[TailgateNut]

GAWD DAMMIT, YOU EMBARRASS YOURSELF and me as a fellow Missourian.

The unions agreed 7-10 days ago to give the concessions the gov wants, he wont sit down and talk........because he wants to take away their bargaining rights. This isnt financial or it would already be done. This is about some right wing NUT JOB TEA BAGGER trying to hurt the Dmocratic party and help Big business.

If you dont believe the unions already agreed to concessions where you been under a rock...its been all over the news....!!!!


From Missouri, eh?

The state which receives the highest handouts, has near the lowest education levels and the highest percentage of extreme poverty?

Who would have thunk it. AND it's a RED STATE to boot.Hilarious!

[TailgateNut]

Can you comprehend the difference between the public and the private sector?

I doubt it!

[ant1999e]

Can you comprehend the difference between the public and the private sector?

That's the problem with most pro public union workers on here. They talk about the CEO's and fat cats taking all the money. They cant comprehend the fact that there are no CEO's in this equation. The only fat cats getting fed with public unions are the public workers and us taxpayers are the ones feeding them.

[OrangenBlueOhio]

That's the problem with most pro public union workers on here. They talk about the CEO's and fat cats taking all the money. They cant comprehend the fact that there are no CEO's in this equation. The only fat cats getting fed with public unions are the public workers and us taxpayers are the ones feeding them.

Yeah the Koch brother's have nothing to gain by all this. Are there pink and purple fairies flying aroud in your world too.

[That One Guy]

I try to avoid insulting individual people but Jetmeck really seems to have all passion and no logic on this topic. He responses are grating to read and they all come across as a screaming lunatic.

[ant1999e]

Yeah the Koch brother's have nothing to gain by all this. Are there pink and purple fairies flying aroud in your world too.

Not flying around me but we do have some pink and purple fairies that post here on the Mane. You may be the newest one.

[ant1999e]

I try to avoid insulting individual people but Jetmeck really seems to have all passion and no logic on this topic. He responses are grating to read and they all come across as a screaming lunatic.

It's a union thing. They feel obligated to support each other even though they are completely different, created for different purposes.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://bartblog.bartcop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/cartoon-koch-bros-magazine.gif

[cutthemdown]

they are doing their job. they're making sure their voters don't get screwed. what they are doing is essentially a filibuster. it was one of our great presidents who set the precidents for this. abe lincoln.

Funny people like to pull out ole Abe all the time. Not saying he wasn't a great man or President. Truthfully how would I know you only get to read stuff about him. One thing that is curious though is that he probably wasn't the great man of equality he is made out to be. He didn't want to live with blacks, didn't want them in the USA after he freed them.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_lincoln_colonization

McLEAN, Va. – Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address has inspired Americans for generations, but consider his jarring remarks in 1862 to a White House audience of free blacks, urging them to leave the U.S. and settle in Central America.
"For the sake of your race, you should sacrifice something of your present comfort for the purpose of being as grand in that respect as the white people," Lincoln said, promoting his idea of colonization: resettling blacks in foreign countries on the belief that whites and blacks could not coexist in the same nation.



I don't think you can justify anything a politician does today on what Abe Lincoln did 100's of yrs ago.

Nice try though JETMECK.

[cutthemdown]

Once Jetmeck said to stop inflation you just tell corporation they can only charge so much for good and services I knew he wasn't to be taken seriously. That comment shows a lack of even a common understanding of capitalism and the free market.

He wants govt control that makes him not have to work hard, but still get money, and also be able to afford everything he wants. Also free healthcare and a good retirement.

[peacepipe]

Funny people like to pull out ole Abe all the time. Not saying he wasn't a great man or President. Truthfully how would I know you only get to read stuff about him. One thing that is curious though is that he probably wasn't the great man of equality he is made out to be. He didn't want to live with blacks, didn't want them in the USA after he freed them.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_lincoln_colonization

McLEAN, Va. – Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address has inspired Americans for generations, but consider his jarring remarks in 1862 to a White House audience of free blacks, urging them to leave the U.S. and settle in Central America."For the sake of your race, you should sacrifice something of your present comfort for the purpose of being as grand in that respect as the white people," Lincoln said, promoting his idea of colonization: resettling blacks in foreign countries on the belief that whites and blacks could not coexist in the same nation.



I don't think you can justify anything a politician does today on what Abe Lincoln did 100's of yrs ago.

Nice try though JETMECK.which has what to do with the price of tea in china? your comparing apples & oranges. one has absolutely nothing to do with what he did to protect banksters.

[Missouribronc]

which has what to do with the price of tea in china? your comparing apples & oranges. one has absolutely nothing to do with what he did to protect banksters.

And Abraham Lincoln's fight with the Banks in 1860 has nothing to do with Wisconsin politics in 2010.

Your original point?

[peacepipe]

And Abraham Lincoln's fight with the Banks in 1860 has nothing to do with Wisconsin politics in 2010.

Your original point?

has everything to do with it,he left to block a vote.

[Missouribronc]

has everything to do with it,he left to block a vote.

LOL, you mean, when they walked out, and then came back THE NEXT DAY to debate the merits of what was being proposed?

Yeah, that's the same thing as fleeing the state and not coming back, stalling government for three weeks.

Exactly the same thing. Please.

BTW, peacepipe here, is referencing an Illinois state vote in 1839 (I had to look it up) where lawmakers staged a walkout, but returned the following day...

Also, it's apparently a Democrat thing...2005 Indiana State House, and then recently in committee in Maryland.

A noble thing, for sure.

[chadta]

Does anyone else find it ironic that the NFLPA's best option in negotiations seems to be decertifying as a union, and then suing as a collective group of individuals, rather than going through negotiations as a union?

Anyone?

you realize its a union tactic right ?

if they arent a union the nfl cant lock them out, that is the only reason they are talking about it, the lawsuits would only be filed if the nfl tried to stop them from going to work. They would let it slide, an then in a few years re certify, and carry on as if they never missed a beat. Its been done before.

[peacepipe]

LOL, you mean, when they walked out, and then came back THE NEXT DAY to debate the merits of what was being proposed?

Yeah, that's the same thing as fleeing the state and not coming back, stalling government for three weeks.

Exactly the same thing. Please.

BTW, peacepipe here, is referencing an Illinois state vote in 1839 (I had to look it up) where lawmakers staged a walkout, but returned the following day...

Also, it's apparently a Democrat thing...2005 Indiana State House, and then recently in committee in Maryland.

A noble thing, for sure.
actually per his biography:Abraham Lincoln: A Biography By Benjamin P. Thomas, Michael Burlingame

it was his own stupidity that resulted in this, in an effort to gloat, watch dems frustration over there being no quorom failed to realize how many people were in the house, giving the dems a quorom. page 78

[peacepipe]

here's another account of it.


Ward Hill Lamon, The Life of Abraham Lincoln, 1872, pp. 216-8
This session (the session of 1840-1) had been called two weeks earlier than usual, to provide for the January interest on the debt. But the banks had important business of their own in view, and proceeded to improve the occasion. In 1837, and every year since then, the banks had succeeded in getting acts of the Legislature which condoned their suspension of specie payments. But, by the terms of the last act, their charters were forfeited unless they resumed before the adjournment of the next session. The Democrats, however, maintained that the present special session was a session in the sense of the law, and that, before its adjournment, the banks must hand out "the hard," or die. On the other hand, the Whigs held this session, and the regular session which began on the first Monday in December, to be one and the same, and proposed to give the banks another winter's lease upon life and rags. But the banks were a power in the land, and knew how to make themselves felt. They were the depositories of the State revenues. The auditor's warrants were drawn upon them, and the members of the Legislature paid in their money. The warrants were at a discount of fifty per cent; and, if the banks refused to cash them, the members would be compelled to go home more impecunious than they came. The banks, moreover, knew how to make "opportune loans to Democrats;" and, with all these aids, they organized a brilliant and eventually a successful campaign. In the eyes of the Whigs they were "the institutions of the country," and the Democrats were guilty of incivism in attacking them. But the Democrats retorted with a string of overwhelming slang about rag barons, rags, printed lies, bank vassals, ragocracy, and the "British-bought, bank, blue-light, Federal, Whig party." It was a fierce and bitter contest; and, witnessing it, one might have supposed that the very existence of the State, with the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, depended upon the result. The Democrats were bent upon carrying an adjournment sine die; which, according to their theory, killed the banks. To defeat this, the Whigs resorted to every expedient of parliamentary tactics, and at length hit upon one entirely unknown to any of the standard manuals: they tried to absent themselves in sufficient numbers to leave no quorum behind. "If the Whigs absented themselves," says Mr. Gillespie, a Whig member, "there would not be a quorum left, even with the two who should be deputed to call the ayes and noes. The Whigs immediately held a meeting, and resolved that they would all stay out, except Lincoln and me, who were to call the ayes and noes. We appeared in the afternoon: motion to adjourn sine die was made, and we called the ayes and noes. The Democrats discovered the game, and the sergeant-at-arms was sent out to gather up the absentees. There was great excitement in the House, which was then held in a church at Springfield. We soon discovered that several Whigs had been caught and brought in, and that the plan had been spoiled; and we — Lincoln and I — determined to leave the hall, and, going to the door, found it locked, and then raised a window and jumped out, but not until the Democrats had succeeded in adjourning. Mr. Gridley of McLean accompanied us in our exit. ... I think Mr. Lincoln always regretted that he entered into that arrangement, as he deprecated every thing that savored of the revolutionary."

[Missouribronc]

actually per his biography:Abraham Lincoln: A Biography By Benjamin P. Thomas, Michael Burlingame

it was his own stupidity that resulted in this, in an effort to gloat, watch dems frustration over there being no quorom failed to realize how many people were in the house, giving the dems a quorom. page 78

Read that again, and then try and translate it for me, because I have no clue what you're talking about.

It was Abe Lincoln's own stupidity? If that's the case, I wouldn't be bragging about it and using it in my argument.

His tactic of leaving the legislature left a majority for the opposing party and they voted against his proposal? Wow, sounds like a great tactic to emulate.

[peacepipe]

Read that again, and then try and translate it for me, because I have no clue what you're talking about.

It was Abe Lincoln's own stupidity? If that's the case, I wouldn't be bragging about it and using it in my argument.

His tactic of leaving the legislature left a majority for the opposing party and they voted against his proposal? Wow, sounds like a great tactic to emulate.when he and others left,the dems had no quorom, but because of his own vanity (he essentially wanted to watch/gloat over watching dems not being able to vote)did not realize by him and the other person being their they gave the dems the quorom they needed.

[Missouribronc]

when he and others left,the dems had no quorom, but because of his own vanity (he essentially wanted to watch/gloat over watching dems not being able to vote)did not realize by him and the other person being their they gave the dems the quorom they needed.

Right.

So you're gloating about another politician doing something stupid and then championing that in comparison to justify what 14 politicians are doing today?

Really? Come on now...

Tebow help us if you're one of the teachers who is striking...

[Jetmeck]

Right.

So you're gloating about another politician doing something stupid and then championing that in comparison to justify what 14 politicians are doing today?

Really? Come on now...

Tebow help us if you're one of the teachers who is striking...

You didnt even know the unions have already agreed to concessions till last night ! So what does this nut job Walker want....to help tear down workers rights gained from 100 years of negotiating and to help weaken the Democratic party.

Since he is being unreasonable......doing whatever it takes to bust his balls is all fair.

[Missouribronc]

You didnt even know the unions have already agreed to concessions till last night ! So what does this nut job Walker want....to help tear down workers rights gained from 100 years of negotiating and to help weaken the Democratic party.

Since he is being unreasonable......doing whatever it takes to bust his balls is all fair.

Asking people to pay part of their benefits is unreasonable?

****. I better go strike tomorrow!

I wonder what my boss will do?

[Jetmeck]

Asking people to pay part of their benefits is unreasonable?

****. I better go strike tomorrow!

I wonder what my boss will do?

Seriously are you 18 or what ? Do you understand, comprehend anything ?
They already have agreed to pay MORE for their pension and benefit package. Walker will not sit down and negotiate, he wants to legislate what they can negotiate on now and in the future and this will affect all unions going forward..............last time...Im done with you.................

[Missouribronc]

you realize its a union tactic right ?

if they arent a union the nfl cant lock them out, that is the only reason they are talking about it, the lawsuits would only be filed if the nfl tried to stop them from going to work. They would let it slide, an then in a few years re certify, and carry on as if they never missed a beat. Its been done before.

Oh yeah...I get it...just find it ironic.

[Missouribronc]

Seriously are you 18 or what ? Do you understand, comprehend anything ?
They already have agreed to pay MORE for their pension and benefit package. Walker will not sit down and negotiate, he wants to legislate what they can negotiate on now and in the future and this will affect all unions going forward..............last time...Im done with you.................

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2011/02/on_wisconsin.html

Read. Learn.

[TailgateNut]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2011/02/on_wisconsin.html

Read. Learn.


They may be teachers, but no one ever said they were smart. That's why they joined a union,

[Butterscotch Stallion]

In the short run workers may prosper; in the long run they don’t… with one possible exception. "The biggest myth about labor unions is that unions are for the workers. Unions are for unions, just as corporations are for corporations and politicians are for politicians." Thomas Sowell

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/03/08/union_myths_109142.html

[epicSocialism4tw]

In the short run workers may prosper; in the long run they don’t… with one possible exception. "The biggest myth about labor unions is that unions are for the workers. Unions are for unions, just as corporations are for corporations and politicians are for politicians." Thomas Sowell

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/03/08/union_myths_109142.html

those union bosses are raking in taxpayer cash like they deserve it.

[peacepipe]

In the short run workers may prosper; in the long run they don’t… with one possible exception. "The biggest myth about labor unions is that unions are for the workers. Unions are for unions, just as corporations are for corporations and politicians are for politicians." Thomas Sowell

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/03/08/union_myths_109142.htmlLOL,surprise,surprise a conservative with a bad opinion of unions. what's the world comming to.

[Garcia Bronco]

he wants to legislate what they can negotiate on now and in the future and this will affect all unions going forward..............last time...Im done with you.................

It effects public sector unions. Not private Unions. Quit spreading your lies ******

[peacepipe]

It effects public sector unions. Not private Unions. Quit spreading your lies ******look no further than indiana where dems left to stop republicans from passing a law that went after private sector unions. your are a MORON if you think public sector unions are all they're after.

[Jetmeck]

In the short run workers may prosper; in the long run they don’t… with one possible exception. "The biggest myth about labor unions is that unions are for the workers. Unions are for unions, just as corporations are for corporations and politicians are for politicians." Thomas Sowell

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/03/08/union_myths_109142.html

Stupid, stupid misinformed people. Unions are a minority these days. A needed minority because we sure as hell cant expect the greedy ass corps to even pay their taxes let alone give a decent wage or benefits. History proves this beyond any need for any of you to try to disagree. Just watch them try to ship jobs overseas to maximize profits then not pay their taxes on this ill gotten profit.

All the while in many states corps are pushing bills trying to get in the mix during union organization. Lets say your company has a vote whether they want a union or not. The repubs pushing these bills because of the rich, greedy corps financing them want someone who doesn't even show up AND VOTE COUNTED AS A NO VOTE.

LISTEN AGAIN, someone who doesnt even vote is counted as a NO VOTE. Basic principle in this country is the right to vote and counting and getting the votes correctly. We have seen our country destroyed by not counting votes correctly. G.W.BUSH !!!!

So these idiots repubs go from not wanting to correctly count all the votes in 2000 to wanting to make non votes as a NO vote. Where does this idiocracy come from ?

[Jetmeck]

look no further than indiana where dems left to stop republicans from passing a law that went after private sector unions. your are a MORON if you think public sector unions are all they're after.

Garcia knows deep down he is wrong. Greed runs this country right now and corps will see this as a way to destroy unions throughout the country. With corps controlling the politicians as well as they do is there any doubt in anyone's mind except a few delusional repubiclan pro business nut jobs who are blinded by their own agenda ????

[Jetmeck]

It effects public sector unions. Not private Unions. Quit spreading your lies ******

**** your truly an idiot. This particular legislation would weaken any union and this legislation would spread. IF NOT WHY IN THE HELL ARE THEIR PUBLIC UNIONS INVOLVED WITH THESE DEMONSTRATIONS. THOUSANDS OF THEM INVOLVED AGAINST YOUR STUPID ASS..


So obviously you know way more then any of those thousands of public and PRIVATE sector union employees who know exactly what this means to all unions. ass

Go ahead, argue ..... your clueless

[epicSocialism4tw]

**** your truly an idiot. This particular legislation would weaken any union and this legislation would spread. IF NOT WHY IN THE HELL ARE THEIR PUBLIC UNIONS INVOLVED WITH THESE DEMONSTRATIONS. THOUSANDS OF THEM INVOLVED AGAINST YOUR STUPID ASS..


So obviously you know way more then any of those thousands of public sector union employees who know exactly what this means to all unions. ass

Go ahead, argue ..... your clueless

Private sector unions are a disease. Its time to amputate that limb.

[Jetmeck]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2011/02/on_wisconsin.html

Read. Learn.

Your an idiot. Says nothing. They gave up the money and benefits. Walker wants to change their bargaining rights. This would be long term. Every contract negotiation is about money and benefits. A lot easier to discuss. Once your bargaining rights are curtailed or cancelled that limits or takes away the right to negotiate/bargain for anything in the future. What union official would accept that.

You are not equipped to even argue your point. That article is beyond stupid.

Walker has a fiscal issue and the unions have offered a fiscal solution....get it through your head....this is not about money.

[Jetmeck]

Private sector unions are a disease. Its time to amputate that limb.

Its always the workers fault...................

[Jetmeck]

Some of you are to stupid and ill equipped to argue with anymore.

[Jetmeck]

Private sector unions are a disease. Its time to amputate that limb.

Wont happen and your repub friends are committing political suicide and I'll enjoy watching them implode. Thanks to Walker people are fired up and understand how not being organized and not voting can come back to haunt you. Thanks, Mr. Walker ;D

[JJJ]

Garcia knows deep down he is wrong. Greed runs this country right now and corps will see this as a way to destroy unions throughout the country. With corps controlling the politicians as well as they do is there any doubt in anyone's mind except a few delusional repubiclan pro business nut jobs who are blinded by their own agenda ????

Greed has always run the country there slick. Combined with fear it basically is how capitalism works.

Capitalism is great because when people insist on doing stupid **** for an extended period of time the system finds a way to work around them.

That is exactly what has happened to the inefficient unions in this country. They have been rendered obsolete in the private sector and are now on their way out in the public one.

The unions may actually win a battle in Wisconsin but are definitely losing the war. The silent majority is going to punish them over the next four years.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Wont happen and your repub friends are committing political suicide and I'll enjoy watching them implode. Thanks to Walker people are fired up and understand how not being organized and not voting can come back to haunt you. Thanks, Mr. Walker

This is exactly why you clowns need to be excised like a colorectal tumor.

You have been feeding off of the body populace for too long. Lining the pockets of your goon bosses and using public monies to funnel into elections.

Its time for your special interest to get its hands out of our pockets.

Now that the truth about your organizations are getting out, people will cut you off in a snap.

Since 1989, Unions collectively severely outweigh the campaign contributions of any other group. Its not even close. There is more money in union PACs than any other.

13 of the top 21 donors from 1989 to 2010 are unions with the same goals: collective bargaining.

So its no big suprise that they're all coming out of the woodwork when their gravy train is in jeopardy.

See for yourself: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?order=A

Unions are PAC's. They're no different than the swift boat vets or transvestites for Obama....except that the Unions literally take money from the taxpayer and funnel it into dem coffers at a rate that no other organization can possibly match. And liberals complain about corporate donors? There is no single corporate donor (not even the all-time most evil Halliburton) that can come close to union donations.

Since 1989, Unions have donated 643 Billion, 157 million in political contributions. Most of which is donated to dems.

643 Billion. That's billion...with a "B". That's also including money that is not inflated like modern money.

Its time to re-do public association with unions.

It starts today.

These thugs have extorted money from us for long enough.

[cutthemdown]

I just found out through a little snooping that my city makes 7-9 million a yr off street sweeping tickets. What a joke because in many areas its musical cars, you may not be able to get a spot on street. So I did some more digging and found out about 80% of the tickets come from the rental areas where there isn't enough parking, and the people are the poorest.

My city ran by liberals. So even the liberals figure out a way to screw the little guy. Turns out its the cities number 2 revenue source after oil.

[cutthemdown]

Basically some are saying privatize things like street sweeping. Then city admits it won't save money because it's already a tax we make a ton on. 9 million a yr? what a joke.

[TailgateNut]

Some of you are to stupid and ill equipped to argue with anymore.


Well, we're not stupid enough to need a union to make a living.

[chadta]

Well, we're not stupid enough to need a union to make a living.

Nobody needs a union to make a living, the union cant higher or fire anybody, but they keep management honest.

Ive said it before and ill say it again, there are 2 causes for unions, bad management, and lazy workers. Both are ultimately managements fault, if they were any good at the job they do they would recognize the lazy worker and not higher them.

But hey its easier to blame the monkey for throwing **** than it is to ask why the hell the monkey was in the room with the **** in the first place.

[peacepipe]

Nobody needs a union to make a living, the union cant higher or fire anybody, but they keep management honest.

Ive said it before and ill say it again, there are 2 causes for unions, bad management, and lazy workers. Both are ultimately managements fault, if they were any good at the job they do they would recognize the lazy worker and not higher them.

But hey its easier to blame the monkey for throwing **** than it is to ask why the hell the monkey was in the room with the **** in the first place.

IDK what unions you have experience with but lazy workers in my union get laid off.

[OABB]

We never should have made those child labor laws. Liberals screw up everything. China is a world power now because they don't let union thugs dictate politics or the economy.

[epicSocialism4tw]

We never should have made those child labor laws. Liberals screw up everything. China is a world power now because they don't let union thugs dictate politics or the economy.

Child Labor laws?

You do realize that we're talking about public sector unions, right?

Did you know that unions are the largest collaborative donor to political parties in the entire united states since 1989? Did you know that unions have donated over 643 billion dollars (yes, thats 3/5 of the way to a TRILLION) to political parties since then?

Did you know that union bosses make 500K a year? The boss of the NEA (the union protesting wisconsin) makes a base of 500K?

Those are taxpayer dollars that unions are extorting from citizens and channelling into the democratic party.

Child labor laws? Yeah right.

Unions are a massive problem that needs to be addressed now.

[OABB]

Child Labor laws?

You do realize that we're talking about public sector unions, right?

Did you know that unions are the largest collaborative donor to political parties in the entire united states since 1989? Did you know that unions have donated over 643 billion dollars (yes, thats 3/5 of the way to a TRILLION) to political parties since then?

Did you know that union bosses make 500K a year? The boss of the NEA (the union protesting wisconsin) makes a base of 500K?

Those are taxpayer dollars that unions are extorting from citizens and channelling into the democratic party.

Child labor laws? Yeah right.

Unions are a massive problem that needs to be addressed now.

pales in comparison to corporate fraud and bailouts to wall street and crooked banks. Why not deal with that first?

Than we will go after those 500k type criminals...

Mmmkay.

Why are you voodoo economists always mad when the screw job effects rich people?

[epicSocialism4tw]

pales in comparison to corporate fraud and bailouts to wall street and crooked banks. Why not deal with that first?

Than we will go after those 500k type criminals...

Mmmkay.

Why are you voodoo economists always mad when the screw job effects rich people?

If you dont remember, the Tea Party sprung alive when Bush dealt TARP. It doesnt have anything to do with which party is in office. It has to do with lessening the tax burden on Joe Middleclass, because Joe Middleclass is getting it from all sides. Food is inflating, gas prices are through the roof, peoples' house values are plummetting, people dont make as much anymore because businesses are failing and jobs are less available. Investments and assets are decreasing in value. The schools that his taxes pay for are garbage. He's the victim of a government that is so far hidden behind weaselwords and red tape that he cant even see its face anymore. Speeding tickets, and any number of citations are basically city taxes now, there are new taxes springing up all over the place every week. Bank fees and charges are usurious.

The crunch is on Joe Middleclass. He feels the oppressive weight of the bureaucratic behemoth bearing down on him and his children.

Obama dealt the bailouts. Some of them to union companies (auto bailouts) and his banker buddies.

Unions are a bigger problem than the wall street boogeymen that the left teaches their base to hate.

Unions are the biggest political donors in the country, and their hands are in the coffers deeper than anyone elses.

[OABB]

On behalf of joe middle class, I would like to say **** you. **** you you arrogant prick.

How dare you claim to give a **** about the middle class when your avatar is ****ing Ronald Reagan.

Are you serious? I mean you are just trying to piss me off right? You can't be serious?

I mean the audacity of that is Charlie sheen crazy.

That's like hitler complaining that he can't get a good accountant.

Wow.


Wow.







Wow.

[TailgateNut]

Nobody needs a union to make a living, the union cant higher or fire anybody, but they keep management honest.

Ive said it before and ill say it again, there are 2 causes for unions, bad management, and lazy workers. Both are ultimately managements fault, if they were any good at the job they do they would recognize the lazy worker and not higher them.

But hey its easier to blame the monkey for throwing **** than it is to ask why the hell the monkey was in the room with the **** in the first place.

Hopefully you aren't tasked with any widget assembly which has more than one part.

[epicSocialism4tw]

On behalf of joe middle class, I would like to say **** you. **** you you arrogant prick.

How dare you claim to give a **** about the middle class when your avatar is ****ing Ronald Reagan.

Are you serious? I mean you are just trying to piss me off right? You can't be serious?

I mean the audacity of that is Charlie sheen crazy.

That's like hitler complaining that he can't get a good accountant.

Wow.

Wow

Wow.

Now THAT's living up to the liberal stereotype! Something you disagree with makes you so emotional that you lose the ability to think?

[TailgateNut]

IDK what unions you have experience with but lazy workers in my union get laid off.


Must be a "union perk". In the real world lazy ****ers get FIRED.

[OABB]

Now THAT's living up to the liberal stereotype! Something you disagree with makes you so emotional that you lose the ability to think?


It's because of my prowar, martial arts loving independant(former republican) meat eating, gun toting manliness that I end this conversation now. Otherwise I am going to find you in Texas and kick your ****** ass.

You are the one with the stereotypes.

I just read books and watchthe ****ing news. And I actually care about this country. I love America. To see it sold out and ripped off by criminals is enoughto make me murdery.

To see how it happened because of biased creampuff ****face lime you who just repeat what they hear without so much as questioning the other side makes me wantto rip your ****ing tongue out.

And than you act as if you care about the very people your heroes have raped.

**** you. I mean it.

[TailgateNut]

[QUOTE=orangeandblueblooded;3133133]It's because of my prowar, martial arts loving independant(former republican) meat eating, gun toting manliness that I end this conversation now. Otherwise I am going to find you in Texas and kick your ****** ass.

You are the one with the stereotypes.

I just read books and watchthe ****ing news. And I actually care about this country. I love America. To see it sold out and ripped off by criminals is enoughto make me murdery.

To see how it happened because of biased creampuff ****face lime you who just repeat what they hear without so much as questioning the other side makes me wantto rip your ****ing tongue out.

And than you act as if you care about the very people your heroes have raped.

**** you. I mean it.

You ****ing idiot. Jesus Christ would tell you to go **** yourself too.[/QUOTE}

ROFL!


So one who thinks Unions are just as criminal as some of the greedy CEO's and stockholders must hate the USA?

Hilarious!

****ing flaming idiot!


Are you also going to hunt me down? If so, I'll make it easy for you to find me.
Just let me know!

[OABB]

[QUOTE=orangeandblueblooded;3133133]It's because of my prowar, martial arts loving independant(former republican) meat eating, gun toting manliness that I end this conversation now. Otherwise I am going to find you in Texas and kick your ****** ass.

You are the one with the stereotypes.

I just read books and watchthe ****ing news. And I actually care about this country. I love America. To see it sold out and ripped off by criminals is enoughto make me murdery.

To see how it happened because of biased creampuff ****face lime you who just repeat what they hear without so much as questioning the other side makes me wantto rip your ****ing tongue out.

And than you act as if you care about the very people your heroes have raped.

**** you. I mean it.

You ****ing idiot. Jesus Christ would tell you to go **** yourself too.[/QUOTE}

ROFL!


So one who thinks Unions are just as criminal as some of the greedy CEO's and stockholders must hate the USA?

Hilarious!

****ing flaming idiot!


Are you also going to hunt me down? If so, I'll make it easy for you to find me.
Just let me know!


I'm not mad that he thinks the unions are corrupt. I think they are too. I'm mad that he talked about the poor squeeze on Joe middle class with Ronald ****ing Reagan in his avatar.

That is an offense worth a brutal ass kicking.

You are fine with me. I mean except for your hatred of tebow for no reason whatsoever. That's just a tad bit douchey. But not offensive to millions of struggling Americans.

[epicSocialism4tw]

It's because of my prowar, martial arts loving independant(former republican) meat eating, gun toting manliness that I end this conversation now. Otherwise I am going to find you in Texas and kick your ****** ass.

You are the one with the stereotypes.

I just read books and watchthe ****ing news. And I actually care about this country. I love America. To see it sold out and ripped off by criminals is enoughto make me murdery.

To see how it happened because of biased creampuff ****face lime you who just repeat what they hear without so much as questioning the other side makes me wantto rip your ****ing tongue out.

And than you act as if you care about the very people your heroes have raped.

**** you. I mean it.

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[chadta]

IDK what unions you have experience with but lazy workers in my union get laid off.

Must be a "union perk". In the real world lazy ****ers get FIRED.

Unfortunately, the unions try everything they can to protect these clowns up here, this is the side of unions that i hate, but the pros outweigh the cons.

[Butterscotch Stallion]

It's because of my prowar, martial arts loving independant(former republican) meat eating, gun toting manliness that I end this conversation now. Otherwise I am going to find you in Texas and kick your ****** ass.

You are the one with the stereotypes.

I just read books and watchthe ****ing news. And I actually care about this country. I love America. To see it sold out and ripped off by criminals is enoughto make me murdery.

To see how it happened because of biased creampuff ****face lime you who just repeat what they hear without so much as questioning the other side makes me wantto rip your ****ing tongue out.

And than you act as if you care about the very people your heroes have raped.

**** you. I mean it.

You're a douche for threatening to kick the **** out of someone just because they disagree with your views?!? Grow up you child! You remind me of that loser who suppresses his anger and when it comes out its usually expressed towards a physically weaker individual like a woman.

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[TailgateNut]

[QUOTE=orangeandblueblooded;3133141]

You're a douche for threatening to kick the **** out of someone just because they disagree with your views. What a child! You remind me of that loser who suppresses his anger and when it comes out its usually expressed towards a physically weaker individual like a woman.

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Hey, you stupid mother****er. You just qouted someone else and attacked me for their post.

Go suck a donkey cock you ****** ass pansy!

[JJJ]

Nobody needs a union to make a living, the union cant higher or fire anybody, but they keep management honest.

Ive said it before and ill say it again, there are 2 causes for unions, bad management, and lazy workers. Both are ultimately managements fault, if they were any good at the job they do they would recognize the lazy worker and not higher them.

But hey its easier to blame the monkey for throwing **** than it is to ask why the hell the monkey was in the room with the **** in the first place.

I assume here you mean management should not hire the lazy worker as opposed to higher them.

Anyway, how exactly are you supposed to know they are lazy before you hire them? References? Don't think so.

If you randomly select resumes out of a pile you will find one out 3 people being a very good worker. If you do the best interview process possible with multiple interviewers, check references, do prescreening tests, you raise those odds to no more than 1 out of 2.

You don't know how good someone is until you sit their ass down in front of the work and see how they perform for awhile. Half of the people you hire should be let go within 6 months if you want to build a strong team. The best interviews I ever had were some of the worst workers in the end.

The most dreaded category of employees: the smart and lazy quandrant employees. I put all employees in one of four quadrants defined by smart on one axis, initiative on the other. I always try to fire the ones in the smart and lazy category as quickly or even more quickly than the ones in the dumb and lazy quandrant.

The smart & lazies are horrible for morale and are like a bad infection in an organization since they don't make the rest of the folks any smarter but they really seem to be able to make them a lot lazier. These guys always find a way to let you down in crunch time also but are great Monday morning quarterbacks.

In the end you need to find the smart guys who also hustle but these only make up only about 5% to 10% of the workforce. But the whole trick is getting critical mass of these guys and then anything is possible.

I have found though that pragmatically there is no substitute for hustle in the workplace for getting things done.

[Rohirrim]

Unions have done far more good for America than harm.

[Spider]

my company just had a bout with the teamsters . Everyone know I am pro union , but we dont need a union , we have a pretty good barn .......

[JJJ]

Unions have done far more good for America than harm.

Not in the last 30 years. They didn't change with the times when high tech came around and changed the equation of what is needed from a highly productive workforce.

[OABB]

You're a douche for threatening to kick the **** out of someone just because they disagree with your views?!? Grow up you child! You remind me of that loser who suppresses his anger and when it comes out its usually expressed towards a physically weaker individual like a woman.

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can you pay attention enough to understand what happened? or do you just make up your mind while glancing at sentences?

He condescended the middle class, the people his party has hurt the most. The people his party have manipulated and sold the American dream in order to line their own pockets. That is criminal to act as if you care about the middle class.

If your brother molested your son, and than said "I feel sorry that your son is a drug addict. he really should talk to someone.", would you punch his lights out? or would you sit there and take it up the ass?

Disagree? I have disagreed with people all over this site and I have had most of the debates end politely. i don't attack people for disagreeing. Read my ****ing posts, munson. I attack people for feigning interest in the very people they molest.


i would definitely knock the teeth out of a reaganite that talks about the poor middle class. Does that make me violent? or does that make me compassionate for molested Americans?


i think you have made up your mind.

[chadta]

I assume here you mean management should not hire the lazy worker as opposed to higher them.

Yeah yeah yeah, tgn already pointed that one out but thanks.

You don't know how good someone is until you sit their ass down in front of the work and see how they perform for awhile. Half of the people you hire should be let go within 6 months if you want to build a strong team. The best interviews I ever had were some of the worst workers in the end.
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I think Ive had a good track record, all Ive ever done is actually worked side by side with the person for a week, i wouldn't ask anybody to do anything that i wasn't willing to do myself, so i don't think i was asking too much, by the end of the week i had a good idea if the person was worth keeping or not.

Of the 12 people i did this with, i said to get ride of 8, the company got rid of 7, and then spent the next 4 years before i left telling me how right i was and that they should have got rid of the other one. I ran into one of the guys i told them to get rid of a few years later, he had been threw 4 different jobs in the couple years since, so i would say i was pretty bang on with that pick too.

I'm not sure how things are down there, but up here even in a union plant, a 3 month probation is standard, you aren't even considered part of the union until probation is finished, no reason even needs to be given for getting rid of somebody within that three months. If you aren't wiling to put the time in and work with somebody for a week are you prepared to deal with the consequences of picking the wrong person for years to come ?

[Arkie]

The politicians "divide-and-conquer" strategy seems to be working really well.

[JJJ]

Yeah yeah yeah, tgn already pointed that one out but thanks.



I think Ive had a good track record, all Ive ever done is actually worked side by side with the person for a week, i wouldn't ask anybody to do anything that i wasn't willing to do myself, so i don't think i was asking too much, by the end of the week i had a good idea if the person was worth keeping or not.

Of the 12 people i did this with, i said to get ride of 8, the company got rid of 7, and then spent the next 4 years before i left telling me how right i was and that they should have got rid of the other one. I ran into one of the guys i told them to get rid of a few years later, he had been threw 4 different jobs in the couple years since, so i would say i was pretty bang on with that pick too.

I'm not sure how things are down there, but up here even in a union plant, a 3 month probation is standard, you aren't even considered part of the union until probation is finished, no reason even needs to be given for getting rid of somebody within that three months. If you aren't wiling to put the time in and work with somebody for a week are you prepared to deal with the consequences of picking the wrong person for years to come ?

The smart and lazy ones know exactly how long the probationary periods are.

I agree though that the probationary period is crucial and 9 managers out of 10 waste that time.

[Spider]

Not in the last 30 years. They didn't change with the times when high tech came around and changed the equation of what is needed from a highly productive workforce.

Hilarious!

[Spider]

You're a douche for threatening to kick the **** out of someone just because they disagree with your views?!? Grow up you child! You remind me of that loser who suppresses his anger and when it comes out its usually expressed towards a physically weaker individual like a woman.

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moron

[cutthemdown]

Wisconsin repubs dropped the bomb today. They separated the collective bargaining dems were so against and passed it without them. It's over unless some court rules against it. But the dems were not there to vote so they really can't say much. Job abandonment.

[That One Guy]

Wisconsin repubs dropped the bomb today. They separated the collective bargaining dems were so against and passed it without them. It's over unless some court rules against it. But the dems were not there to vote so they really can't say much. Job abandonment.

Awesome! Thanks for the update. I looked it up for those not tracking:

The Senate requires a quorum to take up any measures that spend money. But Republicans on Wednesday split from the legislation the proposal to curtail union rights, which spends no money, and a special conference committee of state lawmakers approved the bill a short time later.

The lone Democrat present on the conference committee, Rep. Peter Barca, shouted that the surprise meeting was a violation of the state's open meetings law but Republicans voted over his objections. The Senate convened within minutes and passed the measure without discussion or debate.

Before the sudden votes, Democratic Sen. Bob Jauch said if Republicans "chose to ram this bill through in this fashion, it will be to their political peril. They're changing the rules. They will inflame a very frustrated public."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_wisconsin_budget_unions

[epicSocialism4tw]

Awesome! Thanks for the update. I looked it up for those not tracking:

The Senate requires a quorum to take up any measures that spend money. But Republicans on Wednesday split from the legislation the proposal to curtail union rights, which spends no money, and a special conference committee of state lawmakers approved the bill a short time later.

The lone Democrat present on the conference committee, Rep. Peter Barca, shouted that the surprise meeting was a violation of the state's open meetings law but Republicans voted over his objections. The Senate convened within minutes and passed the measure without discussion or debate.

Before the sudden votes, Democratic Sen. Bob Jauch said if Republicans "chose to ram this bill through in this fashion, it will be to their political peril. They're changing the rules. They will inflame a very frustrated public."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_wisconsin_budget_unions

Their cries of "inflaming the public" are a bunch of desperate lies.

[That One Guy]

Their cries of "inflaming the public" are a bunch of desperate lies.

Aside from those directly affected, as with all politics in our country - this will be forgotten as soon as it's no longer the dramatic event that it is. A new governor might change course but noone's gonna care in mass numbers in the way they pretend to now.

[Missouribronc]

I don't give a **** which side its on I love that the other side stuck it to the morons who fled their job duties instead of manning up and doing what they were elected to do.

Cowards and borderline criminals in my book. Regardless of party.

[JJJ]

I don't give a **** which side its on I love that the other side stuck it to the morons who fled their job duties instead of manning up and doing what they were elected to do.

Cowards and borderline criminals in my book. Regardless of party.

I think if they cash their paychecks over the last 4 weeks you can remove the borderline qualifier.

That is unless they get a sick note from their doctors.

[TailgateNut]

I think if they cash their paychecks over the last 4 weeks you can remove the borderline qualifier.

That is unless they get a sick note from their doctors.


I think they all should receive 2 checks including a "pink slip".