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BroncoSojia
03-02-2011, 01:29 PM
according to Josina


Breaking News: #Broncos TE Daniel Graham just told me, " the Broncos just released me."

http://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/statuses/43056916364144641

inb4 the jokes

BTW, does this make Kyle Rudolph a lock to us at #47?

OBF1
03-02-2011, 01:33 PM
Denver is going to trade with New England to get Tim Tebows favorite Gator target back.... Aaron Herrnandez will be a Bronco.

serious hops
03-02-2011, 01:35 PM
BTW, does this make Kyle Rudolph a lock to us at #47?

Don't see why it would. The upcoming free agent class is stacked at TE, no need to spend a high pick there.

jhns
03-02-2011, 01:35 PM
Kind of a surprise but not really. The guy can block but can't catch at all. Since his blocking is getting worse, he is quickly becoing worthless.

schaaf
03-02-2011, 01:36 PM
Good. It's too bad though I remember I was psyched when we signed him. Dude forgot how to catch in a span of a couple years

Jetmeck
03-02-2011, 01:36 PM
Liked Graham, the few times he was targeted last year he dropped quite a few.

HAT
03-02-2011, 01:36 PM
Grhm just tld me "Teh brncs released me" as he released insyd me.

HAT
03-02-2011, 01:37 PM
Don't see why it would. The upcoming free agent class is stacked at TE, no need to spend a high pick there.

That and he will be long gone by 47.....Might not be there at 36.

BroncoMan4ever
03-02-2011, 01:41 PM
Don't see why it would. The upcoming free agent class is stacked at TE, no need to spend a high pick there.

Owen Daniels, Miller or Shockey

any of those 3 and i will be ecstatic

cutthemdown
03-02-2011, 01:43 PM
Don't see why it would. The upcoming free agent class is stacked at TE, no need to spend a high pick there.

Because Rudolph is going to be a pro bowler, a stud, and 3 times better then any of the vets. People you do realize its about getting the best players right? Not just any player. Sure there are TE in FA but outside of Zach Miller none of them have the ability Rudolph has.

He won't last until the 2nd round anyways, especially not the lateer of the 2nd rounders. Rudolph will be drafted at the bottom of round 1, he's that good.

cutthemdown
03-02-2011, 01:45 PM
Owen Daniels, Miller or Shockey

any of those 3 and i will be ecstatic

Texans already said they are resigning Daniels, Shockey isn't comparable to young TE because he is always hurt and a huge risk. Miller isn't expected to leave Oakland from what I have been reading.

Shoemaker
03-02-2011, 01:45 PM
Zach Miller please!

cutthemdown
03-02-2011, 01:45 PM
That and he will be long gone by 47.....Might not be there at 36.

Exactly. If Rudolph falls to the Broncos first pick in the 2nd round they should jump on him. He will score 10 tds a yr.

cutthemdown
03-02-2011, 01:46 PM
Also I doubt Broncos will be a prime destination for offensive FA. They like to look for stablility at the QB spot. Chances are we would have to pay more then other teams offer and I doubt Broncos do that.

vancejohnson82
03-02-2011, 01:47 PM
Exactly. If Rudolph falls to the Broncos first pick in the 2nd round they should jump on him. He will score 10 tds a yr.

I'm sorry....if we go offense in the first 2 rounds with any pick, I won't be on board

yerner
03-02-2011, 01:50 PM
I can't wait to watch a tight end make plays again.

BroncoLifer
03-02-2011, 01:50 PM
I'm sorry....if we go offense in the first 2 rounds with any pick, I won't be on board

Does Fox know?

HAT
03-02-2011, 01:52 PM
I'm sorry....if we go offense in the first 2 rounds with any pick, I won't be on board

Even if they maneuver and end up with 4 picks out of the first 46?

bowtown
03-02-2011, 02:04 PM
I loved Graham, but he had basically become House without the hands.

ColoradoDarin
03-02-2011, 02:07 PM
Goodbye Stonehands Graham, you're a beast of a blocker.

schaaf
03-02-2011, 02:07 PM
Wow, I just saw Tatum Bell send a tweet to John Elway asking for another chance to make the team

baja
03-02-2011, 02:12 PM
Because Rudolph is going to be a pro bowler, a stud, and 3 times better then any of the vets. People you do realize its about getting the best players right? Not just any player. Sure there are TE in FA but outside of Zach Miller none of them have the ability Rudolph has.

He won't last until the 2nd round anyways, especially not the lateer of the 2nd rounders. Rudolph will be drafted at the bottom of round 1, he's that good.

Let's fix the defense first.

eddie mac
03-02-2011, 02:19 PM
How could anyone be shocked at this release??? His production in recent seasons is well below the $5.4m he was scheduled to make from us this year.

eddie mac
03-02-2011, 02:20 PM
Maybe I'm wrong but does anyone remember a TE of any note when Fox was with the Panthers cos I dont.

ward63
03-02-2011, 02:22 PM
Maybe I'm wrong but does anyone remember a TE of any note when Fox was with the Panthers cos I dont.

Rosario wasn't too bad

Ratboy
03-02-2011, 02:22 PM
Woot.

ward63
03-02-2011, 02:26 PM
Also Bronco news...We extended qualifying offers today to the following Broncos RFAs: R. Harris, M. Prater, M. Thomas, K. Vickerson, W. Woodyard. Via Elway's Twitter

cmhargrove
03-02-2011, 02:28 PM
Also Bronco news...We extended qualifying offers today to the following Broncos RFAs: R. Harris, M. Prater, M. Thomas, K. Vickerson, W. Woodyard. Via Elway's Twitter

Good news, I like that whole list and we would at least get something if they walk.

Dr. Broncenstein
03-02-2011, 02:29 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PmxExJ1vXtg/TBBDGvmcxkI/AAAAAAAAAJI/dFkN1txzSmw/s400/wellbye.jpg

eddie mac
03-02-2011, 02:30 PM
Rosario wasn't too bad

Yeah but what I mean is he never invested decent money in the position. Think King was the highest draft pick and he was a bust.

schaaf
03-02-2011, 02:30 PM
Hopefully all the ones listed are brought back

ward63
03-02-2011, 02:31 PM
Good news, I like that whole list and we would at least get something if they walk.

I hope we keep them all...at least prater, harris and woodyard. Top 5 kicker, top RT (when healthy) and a solid st guy and backup. Thomas and Vickerson could possibly start at DT as well

Chris
03-02-2011, 02:31 PM
Graham was a great Bronco and he's from Colorado. Thanks for your service!

I do like this move. It shows we're being very careful with our money (not in a cheap way). I expect some solid FA signings now.

cmhargrove
03-02-2011, 02:35 PM
I hope we keep them all...at least prater, harris and woodyard. Top 5 kicker, top RT (when healthy) and a solid st guy and backup. Thomas and Vickerson could possibly start at DT as well

I love me some Vickerson. He's a big, bad mofo and plays with nasty intensity. Keep Vickerson please! Dareus / Vickerson / Bannan / and even Marcus Thomas in the middle would be a good rotation.

bowtown
03-02-2011, 02:36 PM
I bet they made sure there weren't any bed posts in the stadium before they told him.

montrose
03-02-2011, 02:40 PM
Maybe I'm wrong but does anyone remember a TE of any note when Fox was with the Panthers cos I dont.

Did he have Wesley Walls?

TheReverend
03-02-2011, 02:41 PM
Yeah but what I mean is he never invested decent money in the position. Think King was the highest draft pick and he was a bust.

Yup, King was the best they ever had under Fox and he sucked.

TheReverend
03-02-2011, 02:43 PM
Did he have Wesley Walls?

He inherited Wesley Walls, played him for one year and cut him after.

TheProfessor
03-02-2011, 02:45 PM
Regardless of Fox, this is one area I trust Elway 100%... He knows what a good TE looks like.

MABroncoFan
03-02-2011, 02:46 PM
Also Bronco news...We extended qualifying offers today to the following Broncos RFAs: R. Harris, M. Prater, M. Thomas, K. Vickerson, W. Woodyard. Via Elway's Twitter

Wouldn't Harris and Thomas be UFAs under a new CBA probably?

bowtown
03-02-2011, 02:49 PM
Regardless of Fox, this is one area I trust Elway 100%... He knows what a good TE looks like.

What are you implying?

bowtown
03-02-2011, 02:51 PM
Wouldn't Harris and Thomas be UFAs under a new CBA probably?

http://therandomizer.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/nobody_knows.jpg

eddie mac
03-02-2011, 03:10 PM
Regardless of Fox, this is one area I trust Elway 100%... He knows what a good TE looks like.

Dont know whether you're serious or not but someone of Fox's stature isn't about to let someone like Elway tell him how to run his offense.

DHallblows
03-02-2011, 03:32 PM
Bye bye Stone Hands Graham

razorwire77
03-02-2011, 03:43 PM
In addition to his high price tag and stone hands, his blocking slipped last year too.

Drek
03-02-2011, 03:53 PM
Dont know whether you're serious or not but someone of Fox's stature isn't about to let someone like Elway tell him how to run his offense.

Isn't the whole point of bringing in Fox the fact that he's willing to delegate authority and let his assistant coaches actually coach?

Its likely going to be McCoy's offense, and we'll see that exactly that is now that he's the guy.

He bounced around the league in WCOs for four years out of college (Denver in '95, then Green Bay, followed by San Fran before being out of the league). He got his start in coaching with the Panthers when Seifert was the HC.

So he's got roots in an offense that uses the TE as a receiving threat, but since then he's been in Carolina where they didn't make much use of it and here with McDaniels who obviously viewed TEs as the 6th OL you use only when you absolutely have to.

cutthemdown
03-02-2011, 04:15 PM
Let's fix the defense first.

If he fell to that pick, which he wont, it would be stupid to pass on him. We aren't positioned right to get him IMO. If he was there for a 2nd round pick, i would grab him. You fix a lot of problems in certain parts of the passing game with a guy like Rudolph. It creates mismatches with almost every dback or linebacker. It's the reason SD offense is so unstoppable when Gates is on fire. It's the reason our offense kicked super ass with Sharpe.

Getting a mismatch down the middle of the field is something the broncos need.

I think Rudolph will be gone though so the point is moot. Now if we trade down from the 2 hole and get another pick them maybe it could happen.

cutthemdown
03-02-2011, 04:18 PM
Also just because Broncos take all defensive players doesn't mean the defense will be fixed. You just have to take good player, over a 2-3 yr period, make some good FA moves, keep your good players etc etc. You can't just say we need a safety, so pass on the TE, even though the TE is a better football player.

Looks like there are a ton of top defensive prospects that make sense at the 2 spot. Peterson, Dareus, Bowers, Fairly, but if you get to the 2nd round and the TE was there, and he's a blue chipper, the smart team takes him.

That's how you get good at every position. Besides safety's and TE's probably played worst then the dline last yr. I saw plenty of plays were Bannan and Williams were clogging and the linebackers just can't get in to make a play, the aren't big enough to shed the blocks of the FB and TE. I saw DJ get blocked by a TE so many times last yr it made me sick. He just trys to run around the blocks.

It wasn't all dline. The whole team stinks.

cutthemdown
03-02-2011, 04:19 PM
With Doom and Ayers both healthy at DE broncos dline closer to being good then any other unit. Draft a big DT like Dareus and you are done basically.

cutthemdown
03-02-2011, 04:20 PM
The secondary outside of Bailey in shambles. Not one of those guys should be starting.

lostknight
03-02-2011, 04:25 PM
We need help in the secondary. Very very bad.

Requiem
03-02-2011, 04:34 PM
It wouldn't be stupid to pass on Rudolph. Dude played in six games this year after a horrendous hamstring injury. He might have amazing size and measurables, but there are other players who have outperformed him on the field. I'm not even considering him at our second round selections. Sorry.

cutthemdown
03-02-2011, 04:49 PM
It wouldn't be stupid to pass on Rudolph. Dude played in six games this year after a horrendous hamstring injury. He might have amazing size and measurables, but there are other players who have outperformed him on the field. I'm not even considering him at our second round selections. Sorry.

I bet 32 teams disagree with you. Especially after he slammed the combine. Name one TE in the draft better then Rudolph?

Archer81
03-02-2011, 04:55 PM
We need help in the secondary. Very very bad.


A pass rush fixes a bad secondary.


:Broncos:

schaaf
03-02-2011, 05:00 PM
Elvis Dumervil fixes a bad passrush

bap454
03-02-2011, 05:13 PM
Also Bronco news...We extended qualifying offers today to the following Broncos RFAs: R. Harris, M. Prater, M. Thomas, K. Vickerson, W. Woodyard. Via Elway's Twitter

Elway's twitter....anyone have the address to get on board with his tweets..

serious hops
03-02-2011, 05:16 PM
Elvis Dumervil fixes a bad passrush

No he doesn't. It's a nice idea, but unfortunately it doesn't hold up to any scrutiny. Elvis has played four seasons for us, and we only finished in the top ten in sacks during one of those seasons-- in '09 we finished tenth, and it's no coincidence that we also had our best defensive coordinator of the span that year. The other three years we finished 16th, 21st and 26th-- with Doom. Of course, sacks don't tell the entire story when it comes to pass rush, but it's the best easy measurement available. It's not like our third down conversion rates have been great even with Doom out there either.

One guy doesn't make a pass rush. He may fight through the constant doubles and get you some sacks, but that doesn't equate to having a good pass rush. By himself, he improves our rush-- transforms it from abyssmal to maybe somewhere below average. Dude needs help. We finished dead stinking last in sacks last year, one undersized DE doesn't "fix" that, no matter how ferocious. Just sayin'.

epicSocialism4tw
03-02-2011, 05:24 PM
Wow.

This made sense. He was a blocking TE, and it made no difference in our run or pass games. His contract was too big.

Thanks for the work Graham. Best of luck in your career.

schaaf
03-02-2011, 05:24 PM
So you're telling me getting the NFL Leader in sacks for the 2009 season won't help fix the bad pass rush to an average pass rush. Our defensive line is better now as a whole than it was in 09 as a whole.

Our Defensive Line is not in as bad of shape as everyone believes. Doom and Ayers will start on Ends and Bannan won't be beat out at one DT position the other one is up for grabs with a rookie and Williams, Thomas, and Vickerson.

epicSocialism4tw
03-02-2011, 05:26 PM
Also Bronco news...We extended qualifying offers today to the following Broncos RFAs: R. Harris, M. Prater, M. Thomas, K. Vickerson, W. Woodyard. Via Elway's Twitter

R Harris?!?!?

Interesting.

Kudos to the BBT on extending offers to all of those guys.

epicSocialism4tw
03-02-2011, 05:28 PM
So you're telling me getting the NFL Leader in sacks for the 2009 season won't help fix the bad pass rush to an average pass rush. Our defensive line is better now as a whole than it was in 09 as a whole.

Our Defensive Line is not in as bad of shape as everyone believes. Doom and Ayers will start on Ends and Bannan won't be beat out at one DT position the other one is up for grabs with a rookie and Williams, Thomas, and Vickerson.

Yeah, we need some youth infused to that line. The only player who exerts any dominance at all at his position is Dumervil. Maybe Ayers catches on in the 4-3, and maybe he doesnt.

The Broncos are in a prime position to fix DT for years through the draft. Fixing that position does alot of things for the DL. It helps us actually get teams off the field by putting them in 3rd and long and unleashing Dumervil on them. Thats how you end up with picks and fumbles too.

Irish Stout
03-02-2011, 05:46 PM
I heard Daniel Graham is going to be replaced by Honey Grahams.

Goodbye Daniel Graham! I liked you a lot. You were a swell dude and you like CO, which is important to me. You looked awful the past couple of years. So will see you later... maybe you can get a job with DMac and Stink and Alfred Williams... That show needs someone else DMac can talk over.

epicSocialism4tw
03-02-2011, 05:51 PM
We need help in the secondary. Very very bad.

We need help at safety, but the talent in the secondary is much stronger than it is on the defensive line. We have one, maybe two players who are considered NFL starters on the defensive line.

KevinJames
03-02-2011, 05:55 PM
It made no sense to keep Grahm when we have a similar player in Richard Quinn who is a lot younger, has better hands, and is even faster.

I know everyone hates Richard Quinn but I think hes going to be a nice piece of our TE rotation.

Requiem
03-02-2011, 06:56 PM
I bet 32 teams disagree with you. Especially after he slammed the combine. Name one TE in the draft better then Rudolph?

32 teams disagree with me on what?

Slammed the combine? He didn't even participate in drills.

Anybody advocating for drafting Kyle Rudolph @ 36 when he missed all but six games last year and is still recovering from his injury is an idiot.

I'm not impressed with this rookie class of tight ends, hence why Kyle came out. I'd much rather the value of a Kendricks, Stocker or Williams later on.

Kyle Rudolph might be considered the best TE in a weak class, but who gives?

Sorry, when I formulate draft boards and put grades on prospects, their current health status is extremely important to me. I'm sure he'll recover from his injury, but I'm not touching him in the second round, especially given our needs elsewhere on the team.

I haven't finished going through all my draft stuff, but I know he isn't in my Top 50.

Goobzilla
03-02-2011, 08:56 PM
I know everyone hates Richard Quinn but I think hes going to be a nice piece of our TE rotation.

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

strafen
03-02-2011, 09:04 PM
Well, that kind of sucks to be so thin at TE.
To have to draft one is a blow to the defense, but a necessary evil...

BMarsh615
03-02-2011, 09:14 PM
Elway's twitter....anyone have the address to get on board with his tweets..

https://twitter.com/johnelway

Drek
03-03-2011, 03:17 AM
It wouldn't be stupid to pass on Rudolph. Dude played in six games this year after a horrendous hamstring injury. He might have amazing size and measurables, but there are other players who have outperformed him on the field. I'm not even considering him at our second round selections. Sorry.

I'm an admittedly huge ND homer but I'd disagree with the bolded part. When healthy Rudolph was an excellent TE even with some shoddy QB play. He's got fantastic size and yet is a great deep threat. He's got a ton of potential.

As for the rest of your post, I agree completely. He's had a serious injury, still hasn't worked out to show the extent that injury has hampered him, and even before the injury he was the best TE in a questionable class.

He's probably going to go in the mid-2nd but in reality he should go in the late 2nd to early 3rd. If some other TE leapfrogs him and he is there at our early 3rd I'd be all for grabbing him, but we've got bigger needs in better talent pools the first three picks should be addressing.

cutthemdown
03-03-2011, 01:14 PM
32 teams disagree with me on what?

Slammed the combine? He didn't even participate in drills.

Anybody advocating for drafting Kyle Rudolph @ 36 when he missed all but six games last year and is still recovering from his injury is an idiot.

I'm not impressed with this rookie class of tight ends, hence why Kyle came out. I'd much rather the value of a Kendricks, Stocker or Williams later on.

Kyle Rudolph might be considered the best TE in a weak class, but who gives?

Sorry, when I formulate draft boards and put grades on prospects, their current health status is extremely important to me. I'm sure he'll recover from his injury, but I'm not touching him in the second round, especially given our needs elsewhere on the team.

I haven't finished going through all my draft stuff, but I know he isn't in my Top 50.


Weird I thought I read he looked great at the Combine. I know he didn't run but I though he did some other stuff my bad.

Still you watch he's a rare talent and no way he lasts until past the middle of the 2nd round.

NFLBRONCO
03-03-2011, 01:22 PM
I'd rather take a D player vs a TE unless he's by far the BPA at our pick.

TheReverend
03-03-2011, 02:25 PM
A pass rush fixes a bad secondary.


:Broncos:

It HELPS a bad secondary. It sure as **** doesnt fix one.