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anton
02-28-2011, 11:17 PM
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I worry about his skinny lower body and can only imagine what a mauling guard can do to him in the run game. Quickness off the snap is great, though i dont think its as good as the first step that Gerald McCoy had coming out. A 4.8 40 at 291 lbs is pretty crazy (and Dareus' 4.9 at 319 is too), but he has a long way to go in terms of strength training.

FireFly
02-28-2011, 11:41 PM
Makes me sad - I'd say that leading up to the draft this is the weakest top 5 in recent history.

Hindsight is 20/20 and they didn't all work out, but leading up to the draft I am usually higher on at least a few players than the ones I think we're looking at at #2.

anton
02-28-2011, 11:51 PM
I disagree. Dareus, Peterson, Green, Quinn (if not for the missed season) would be elite prospects in any draft. Bowers and Fairley (and all the QBs) are really really risky though.

schaaf
03-01-2011, 12:15 AM
Makes me sad - I'd say that leading up to the draft this is the weakest top 5 in recent history.

Hindsight is 20/20 and they didn't all work out, but leading up to the draft I am usually higher on at least a few players than the ones I think we're looking at at #2.

I agree with some of this.

There is not a top QB in this draft like there usually is. But Peterson and Green are some of the most talented players at their position to come out in a long long time.

Bigdawg26
03-01-2011, 04:25 AM
I wouldn't touch Bowers or Fairley with a ten foot pole. They are to much of a risk reward for the broncos who need a sure thing like Von Miller, Marcel Dareus, or Patrick Peterson.

FireFly
03-01-2011, 04:41 AM
I disagree. Dareus, Peterson, Green, Quinn (if not for the missed season) would be elite prospects in any draft. Bowers and Fairley (and all the QBs) are really really risky though.

I'll give you Peterson and maybe Dareus, but Quinn DID miss the season, and as you say the other considerations are far too risky for top 5 consideration. Which brings me back to saying that this isn't exactly the group you'd want to be making a top 5 pick in if you had the choice going back the last 10 years.

Really, I'm just saying that Fairley is a risky choice at 2! - but I suppose it turned into more than that! Hilarious!

anton
03-02-2011, 06:25 PM
Hurry and watch before it gets taken down!!

~Crash~
03-02-2011, 07:55 PM
I get it I am the only Broncos Fan that wants Fairley . Fairley wins game.

Rohirrim
03-02-2011, 08:18 PM
I love this **** every year. Some great player goes out and wins the Lombardi Award, AP SEC Defensive Player of the Year and the BCS Championship Defensive MVP and he's being argued by scouts as the #1 player in the draft, and then there are guys on message boards all over the U.S. posting why he'll be a bust.

Yeah, bust winning.

Get used to Fairley, Broncos fans. He might just be wearing number 90 at Dove Valley in a few months (I'm sure David Veikune will give it up). All reports are that Fox and Xanders like him a whole lot. ;D

Personally speaking, I think a line of Ayers, Fairley, Bannan and Doom will be ****ing awesome and strike fear into the hearts of QBs all over the league.

Requiem
03-02-2011, 08:30 PM
Dareus > Fairley

**** anyone who says otherwise.

Rohirrim
03-02-2011, 08:34 PM
Dareus > Fairley

**** anyone who says otherwise.

Nyah!

http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y374/JKr3w13/NickFairley.jpg

Dedhed
03-02-2011, 08:43 PM
I love this **** every year. Some great player goes out and wins the Lombardi Award, SEC Defensive Player of the Year and the BCS Championship Defensive MVP and he's being argued by scouts as the #1 player in the draft, and then there are guys on message boards all over the U.S. posting why he'll be a bust.

Yeah, bust winning.

Get used to Fairley, Broncos fans. He might just be wearing number 90 at Dove Valley in a few months (I'm sure David Veikune will give it up). All reports are that Fox and Xanders like him a whole lot. ;D

Personally speaking, I think a line of Ayers, Fairley, Bannan and Doom will be ****ing awesome and strike fear into the hearts of QBs all over the league.
I've been as against Fairley as anyone, because of bust potential, but at this point I'd be fine with him. His ceiling is as hi as anyone's in this draft, so why not.

Hopefully we won't have a #2 pick again for awhile, so might as well go all in, right?

I still prefer Peterson though.

Dedhed
03-02-2011, 08:45 PM
Dareus > Fairley

**** anyone who says otherwise.

I agree in terms of probability, but Fairley has a higher ceiling.

epicSocialism4tw
03-02-2011, 09:11 PM
I love this **** every year. Some great player goes out and wins the Lombardi Award, SEC Defensive Player of the Year and the BCS Championship Defensive MVP and he's being argued by scouts as the #1 player in the draft, and then there are guys on message boards all over the U.S. posting why he'll be a bust.

Yeah, bust winning.

Get used to Fairley, Broncos fans. He might just be wearing number 90 at Dove Valley in a few months (I'm sure David Veikune will give it up). All reports are that Fox and Xanders like him a whole lot. ;D

Personally speaking, I think a line of Ayers, Fairley, Bannan and Doom will be ****ing awesome and strike fear into the hearts of QBs all over the league.


I love these kinds of videos. They show the player in a more balanced light. Whoever put this video up included the Kentucky game (after Auburn was up big) because it was probably Fairley's worst game. (What? Hyped up first round draft picks have bad moments? Impossible!).

But he was awesome against Alabama and Oregon. He wanted it and nobody out there could keep him from getting what he wanted.

That 4th and goal stuff that he put on that player...brilliant. A big play in a big moment. That's what kind of player Fairley seems to be, a big game playmaker, and that's why people view him as the top player in the draft.

He's a rare passrush specialist DT who makes big plays in big games...and people wonder why he's valued over other players?

I'll take this guy on my team all day. I'd personally rather have Dareus, and maybe Bowers, but this Fairley guy is a monster.

In the AFC where pocket passers rule, you put that guy on the line looking Philip Rivers right in the eye on third down and let him be that violent-hitting playmaker.

Dedhed
03-02-2011, 09:29 PM
He wanted it and nobody out there could keep him from getting what he wanted.You've just summed up why he's a dangerous selection.

I'd rather a guy who only gets beaten by better talent than a guy who gets beaten because he doesn't want it. Fairley vs Kentucky is a perfect example of superior talent getting beaten by superior want to.

Who's to say he'll ever really want it once you give him $30M in guaranteed money?

anton
03-02-2011, 09:44 PM
Whoever put this video up included the Kentucky game (after Auburn was up big) because it was probably Fairley's worst game. (What? Hyped up first round draft picks have bad moments? Impossible!).



Well technically it was because I only have 3 Auburn games on my DVR, but that works too!

epicSocialism4tw
03-02-2011, 09:45 PM
You've just summed up why he's a dangerous selection.

I'd rather a guy who only gets beaten by better talent than a guy who gets beaten because he doesn't want it. Fairley vs Kentucky is a perfect example of superior talent getting beaten by superior want to.

Who's to say he'll ever really want it once you give him $30M in guaranteed money?

Well, those Kentucky highlights were after Auburn was already blowing Kentucky out. I'm not sure that those are a good measure of his drive.

Xanders said that he has a non-stop motor. Over the course of a football game, sometimes you lose battles at the POA. It happens to every player.

But by the way that Fairley played for Auburn over the course of last season, its hard to say that he's just in it for the cash. Elway said that they look for guys who love the game, and the BBT have given this guy a review that infers that he's always playing this way. You can see it in the violence of his play, IMO. Dude rips people up.

I think its possible that he gets paid and then settles down, but I think its equally possible that he wants to be one of the best to ever play the game.

Thats the deal with him. That's the gamble. If he goes about it one way, he becomes a freak who can win games for you with big plays. If he goes about it the other way, he only shows up in contract seasons and he's a locker room louse.

Guys that play with that kind of violence though...its what sticks with you about that player.

epicSocialism4tw
03-02-2011, 09:47 PM
Well technically it was because I only have 3 Auburn games on my DVR, but that works too!

You put this up?

You rule dude. Way to go. :notworthy

You should put one up about Peterson and Bowers if you have video.

Everyone rep this guy.

anton
03-02-2011, 09:50 PM
Yup, here is my main channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ProDraftParty

I'll have Dareus up soon. Maaaybe tomorrow but maybe only at the end of the weekend.

epicSocialism4tw
03-02-2011, 09:58 PM
Yup, here is my main channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ProDraftParty

I'll have Dareus up soon. Maaaybe tomorrow but maybe only at the end of the weekend.

Rep again.

You sir, are a scholar and a gentlemen. May your light shine for generations. :thumbsup:

strafen
03-02-2011, 09:59 PM
I want M. Dareus. I think we can't go wrong with him.
Nick Fairley I like a lot too. He looks to me like the BJ.Raji of this year's draft...

BMarsh615
03-02-2011, 10:07 PM
It is hard as hell to find him on every play. Would love to have a square over him before the ball is slapped.

anton
03-02-2011, 10:21 PM
He is the undertackle (3 technique, on the outside shoulder of the guard) on almost every play. Find the center, find the nosetackle across from him... Fairley is the other DT.

schaaf
03-02-2011, 11:02 PM
I love this **** every year. Some great player goes out and wins the Lombardi Award, SEC Defensive Player of the Year and the BCS Championship Defensive MVP and he's being argued by scouts as the #1 player in the draft, and then there are guys on message boards all over the U.S. posting why he'll be a bust.

Yeah, bust winning.

Get used to Fairley, Broncos fans. He might just be wearing number 90 at Dove Valley in a few months (I'm sure David Veikune will give it up). All reports are that Fox and Xanders like him a whole lot. ;D

Personally speaking, I think a line of Ayers, Fairley, Bannan and Doom will be ****ing awesome and strike fear into the hearts of QBs all over the league.

Every single report has Fox and Xanders liking every prospect a whole lot.

Don't really see your argument there

oubronco
03-03-2011, 06:57 AM
Driving the QB into the ground at the 1:00 minute mark would get him suspended in todays NFL especially if it's on Brady

primetime714
03-03-2011, 07:14 AM
I really like Fairley as a player. The risk to me is his attitude and coachability. If he's willing to work on some of the fundamentals and put in the training to get a little stronger he is going to be an elite DT in this league. The thing I like most about him is that he is almost always in the backfield. If you want a DT to penetrate bring pressure up the middle there's no one in this draft that is better at it than Fairley. Dareus is a more sound player, but Fairley has higher upside and more big play potential.

That said to me Peterson is the only sure thing in this draft.

TheReverend
03-03-2011, 07:34 AM
I like Fairley and Dareus a whole lot. I just think missing on Peterson is a mistake Denver would regret for over a decade.

epicSocialism4tw
03-03-2011, 09:09 AM
I like Fairley and Dareus a whole lot. I just think missing on Peterson is a mistake Denver would regret for over a decade.

If the BBT spends the #2 pick on a 6'0" safety with quicks when they could shore up the DT position for 10-15 years, they are entering McD-level stupidity.

BroncoInferno
03-03-2011, 09:14 AM
Dareus > Fairley

**** anyone who says otherwise.

Depends on what you're looking for. Dareus probably has a better all around skill set that you can plug into any defense, but if what your looking for is a penetrating 4-3 under tackle, Fairley blows Dareus and every other DT in this draft out of the water. Personally, I think that pentrating DT who can get double digit sacks is much more difficult to find, so I prefer Fairley.

OABB
03-03-2011, 09:16 AM
If the BBT spends the #2 pick on a 6'0" safety with quicks when they could shore up the DT position for 10-15 years, they are entering McD-level stupidity.

nah, stupid Would be saying he has slow hips.

Bracing for profanity filled neg rep.

TheReverend
03-03-2011, 09:24 AM
If the BBT spends the #2 pick on a 6'0" safety with quicks when they could shore up the DT position for 10-15 years, they are entering McD-level stupidity.

1. You're the only one calling him a safety...

2. Did you know draft status provides a much clearer career indicator for corners than DTs? MUCH CLEARER.

3. Did you know corner is only behind RB for immediate pro impact while DTs can take years to properly develop if ever?

primetime714
03-03-2011, 09:27 AM
If the BBT spends the #2 pick on a 6'0" safety with quicks when they could shore up the DT position for 10-15 years, they are entering McD-level stupidity.

15 years? A DT's prime is much shorter than you think. Also calling Peterson a 6'0" safety with quicks is the ultimate undersell. Peterson is perhaps the best DB prospect ever or at least since Charles Woodson.

Given the success rate of DB's taken at the top of the draft vs DT's the risk for regret is much smaller with Peterson.

If the Broncos feel any of the DL is a real slam dunk I'll support that draft pick, but from where I stand the only true slam dunk prospect in this draft is Peterson.

epicSocialism4tw
03-03-2011, 09:30 AM
1. You're the only one calling him a safety...

2. Did you know draft status provides a much clearer career indicator for corners than DTs? MUCH CLEARER.

3. Did you know corner is only behind RB for immediate pro impact while DTs can take years to properly develop if ever?

The time it takes for DT's to develop is irrelevant. This Broncos team is rebuilding. Its the perfect time to take a couple DT's. To contrast your premise, it seems that last year's #2 pick top DT did just fine in his first season.

I'm not the only person calling him a safety. Peterson called himself a safety when he said he would play it. He was addressing questions of whether or not he would play safety. Why would someone ask that question if they didnt have a question of whether or not the guy is going to be a safety?

Maybe he has evaded evolution with his speed and has become a transcendent human with no natural position. ;D

TheReverend
03-03-2011, 10:12 AM
Fun game:

Let's look at top DTs (and potential DTs in the NFL) that could play in a 4-3 (All 4-3 DTs and all 3-4 DL):

The way I'd rank them we'd have a top two, then a next tier
# 1. Suh - 2 overall (but let's be serious, there's NO Suh in this class)
# 2. Ngata - 12 overall
# 3-5. Darnell Dockett 3rd round, Kyle Williams 5th round, Jay Ratliff 7th round

Top tier prior DTs:

Haynesworth 15 overall
Pat Williams UDFA
Kevin Williams 9 overall
Kris Jenkins 2nd round
Shaun Rogers bottom of 2nd round

Notable DT prospect busts in recent history (last decade):

Dewayne Robertson 4th overall
Johnathan Sullivan 6th overall
Ryan Sims 6th overall
Gerard Warren 3rd overall
(kinda fits but started productive: Corey Simon 6th overall)

Potential Busts still pending:

Dorsey 5th overall
Okoye 10th overall

I think everyone can agree that neither Dareus nor Fairley have the amalgam of size, athleticism and production that Suh and Ngata brought to the table, and, in fact, their resumes thus far don't even compare to half of the busts when they came out.

Now let's look at CBs:

Top in the game today, imo

1. Revis 14 overall
2. Woodson 4th overall back in 1998
3. Champ 7th overall
4. Asomougha 31st overall
5. Leon Hall 18th overall

Recent prior top tier CBs:

DRC 16th overall
Newman 5th overall
McAlister 5th overall
Nate Clements 21 overall
Winfield 23 overall
Shawn Springs 3rd overall
...and just to mention prime: Deion 5th overall

Notable top prospect CB busts in recent history (last decade):

Pacman Jones 6th overall, off the field issues
Jason Allen 16th overall, moved to safety, not nearly as productive as should be

(kinda fits but doesn't: Deltha O'Neal 15th overall, has 2 pro bowls AND 2 all pros, Antrel Rolle is now an all pro safety)

Verdict still out:

Tye Hill 15th overall
Carlos Rogers 9th overall (I like him as a player, but not many do)

And, oddly, Peterson's resume, size, speed, quickness, recognition, etc matches up favorably even to all time greats Woodson, Champ and Deion.

Go figure.

TheReverend
03-03-2011, 10:15 AM
The time it takes for DT's to develop is irrelevant. This Broncos team is rebuilding. Its the perfect time to take a couple DT's. To contrast your premise, it seems that last year's #2 pick top DT did just fine in his first season.

I'm not the only person calling him a safety. Peterson called himself a safety when he said he would play it. He was addressing questions of whether or not he would play safety. Why would someone ask that question if they didnt have a question of whether or not the guy is going to be a safety?

Maybe he has evaded evolution with his speed and has become a transcendent human with no natural position. ;D

If you think any of these prospects compare to Suh, you're nucking futs.

Here's the actual quote... no teams have even talked to him about it, just Mayock speculation: “They haven’t come to me about changing positions to safety, but if it happens, then I’ll just have to live with it,” Peterson said.

:spit:

Spot on as usual Lama... do you even try? At this rate you'll have to change your name (again) in a week or two.

TheReverend
03-03-2011, 10:24 AM
Btw... I didn't even bother including Bunkley, Travis Johnson, Jimmy Kennedy, Wendell Bryant, Damione Lewis and more

Rohirrim
03-03-2011, 11:19 AM
As any stock broker will tell you, past performance does not guaranty future outcomes. ;D

TheReverend
03-03-2011, 11:32 AM
As any stock broker will tell you, past performance does not guaranty future outcomes. ;D

Stock brokers base their careers heavily on trends. :welcome:

epicSocialism4tw
03-03-2011, 12:48 PM
If you think any of these prospects compare to Suh, you're nucking futs.

Here's the actual quote... no teams have even talked to him about it, just Mayock speculation: “They haven’t come to me about changing positions to safety, but if it happens, then I’ll just have to live with it,” Peterson said.

:spit:

Spot on as usual Lama... do you even try? At this rate you'll have to change your name (again) in a week or two.

Your idolatry of Peterson deserves derision at every turn.

You do realize that if he doesnt win rookie of the year next season, that you've proven to be even more of a dupe than you usually appear, right?

TheReverend
03-03-2011, 02:11 PM
Your idolatry of Peterson deserves derision at every turn.

You do realize that if he doesnt win rookie of the year next season, that you've proven to be even more of a dupe than you usually appear, right?

Idolatry of peterson? Do you ever stop to realize how ridiculous you sound? A dew posts ago I said "I love dareus and fairley". In a different thread I gave the only criticism I've found on peterson in that he occasionally false steps into his breaks. What I've done is laid out facts and my opinion. What you've done is provide horrible analysis and outright libel.

Idolatry though. You're such a ****** (apologies to chris k, blart, etc for me lumping this bag of **** douche in with you)

epicSocialism4tw
03-03-2011, 02:14 PM
Idolatry of peterson? Do you ever stop to realize how ridiculous you sound? A dew posts ago I said "I love dareus and fairley". In a different thread I gave the only criticism I've found on peterson in that he occasionally false steps into his breaks. What I've done is laid out facts and my opinion. What you've done is provide horrible analysis and outright libel.

Idolatry though. You're such a ****** (apologies to chris k, blart, etc for me lumping this bag of **** douche in with you)

http://cf.ltkcdn.net/baby/images/std/4128-211x250-Discipline.jpg

TheReverend
03-03-2011, 03:04 PM
http://cf.ltkcdn.net/baby/images/std/4128-211x250-Discipline.jpg

Par for the course, I see.

Let me know when you actually want to discuss ability, athleticism, defensive impact, historical trends or anything worthwhile. Until then, keep up the terrible work.

epicSocialism4tw
03-03-2011, 09:51 PM
Par for the course, I see.

Let me know when you actually want to discuss ability, athleticism, defensive impact, historical trends or anything worthwhile. Until then, keep up the terrible work.

http://www.nonpopulist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/brat-willy-wonka.jpg

misturanderson
03-06-2011, 11:58 AM
So I finally got around to watching this and I see this guy busting. His highlights (mostly on passing plays) seem to almost always involve a 1-on-1 match up with a right guard who leaves way too much space between himself and the center, who is double-teaming the other DT (for some idiotic reason that I can't comprehend). Fairley just pushes that guard back and runs through the 2 gap with a free shot at the QB, who never has any RB help. He rarely displays any impressive moves or power, just quickness against idiotic schemes that allow him to play 1-on-1 against the worst pass blocker on the line.

Fairley has an incredibly quick first step, but I didn't see him make any plays against a double team and most of his big plays he was essentially unblocked. He had the occasional high-motor play where he kept trying and caught up to a guy, but his game just doesn't seem like it would translate that well against better guards and blocking schemes.

I think this guy has to be dropped completely out of the discussion at #2 and possibly even the top 10.

footstepsfrom#27
03-06-2011, 12:30 PM
If the BBT spends the #2 pick on a 6'0" safety with quicks when they could shore up the DT position for 10-15 years, they are entering McD-level stupidity.
That's an extremely biased characterization of Peterson. He's not "a safety, with quicks" but he could play there and probably be an all pro. In fact several coaches, players and scouts have said he could play any sklil position on the team including QB.

The problem I see with Fairley is his game is almost entirely built on quickness. He's undersized to be an NFL DT and 22 reps on the BP is not impressive. That tell me he's probably not been spending huge amounts of time in the weight room. Or just as bad, he has but he's not gotten any stronger than that. It's one thing to dominate interior college offensive linemen, but he's going up against NFL guards that are much quicker than he sees in college. He's going to need to get bigger and stronger and I'm not certain he's got the work ethic for doing it.

Shananahan
03-06-2011, 12:50 PM
In fact several coaches, players and scouts have said he could play any sklil position on the team including QB.
I like Peterson as much as the next guy, but I find this extremely hard to believe. Let's see those quotes.

gtown
03-06-2011, 02:26 PM
I was a huge Dareus fan for a long time, but when I think about how the Broncos have lacked a pash rush (outside of Doom) for so long, I salivate thinking about Fairley slicing through the line to wreck opposing QBs. QBs are the premier players in the game and those that can rush the QB are right behind them. I believe Fairley can add a bit of size to improve his run defense and still stay quick enough as a pass rush threat for years to come.

misturanderson
03-06-2011, 07:03 PM
I was a huge Dareus fan for a long time, but when I think about how the Broncos have lacked a pash rush (outside of Doom) for so long, I salivate thinking about Fairley slicing through the line to wreck opposing QBs. QBs are the premier players in the game and those that can rush the QB are right behind them. I believe Fairley can add a bit of size to improve his run defense and still stay quick enough as a pass rush threat for years to come.
I really didn't see anything in those highlights that showed me that he is a significantly better pass rusher than Dareus.

It seems like every one of Fairley's sacks came on a poorly designed protection package that allowed him to be 1-on-1 against the RG (or in some cases completely unblocked for some reason) and a huge gap was left open between the RG and C, which Fairley ran through. That isn't something that will be happening that often in the NFL.

He is quick and has a pretty good motor, but I didn't see anything to show me that he is a better pass rusher, or DT in general, than Dareus who displays much better gap control and seems to be better against a double team.

BMarsh615
03-08-2011, 11:31 AM
Auburn's pro day is on ESPN3 right now. You can watch it here http://espn.go.com/espn3/player?id=154868&league=NFL&size=condensed

You MIGHT have to have Comcast to watch it online though. Not for sure.

srphoenix
03-08-2011, 11:39 AM
Watching the proday on Espn 3, love that they have this televised. Fairley just weighed in at 297, better weight than before at 291, I wonder if this pro day shoots him back into top 3 draft discussion?

BMarsh615
03-08-2011, 11:39 AM
Fairley has gained six more pounds since the combine.

srphoenix
03-08-2011, 11:53 AM
pretty cool actually getting to watch a pro day happen live. I've never seen exactly how they work, someone post if they see Elway

BMarsh615
04-05-2011, 01:29 AM
Another Fairley vid

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epicSocialism4tw
04-05-2011, 01:46 AM
Dude's a heck of a player. I like him because he has a nasty mean streak and he plays like he's furious.