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epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 07:05 PM
1. Newton is the real deal: Newton doesn't use much of his legs when he throws the football, but his arm is so naturally strong he can throw 50 to 60 yards with ease. There are no throws he can't make. He reminds me a lot of a young Steve McNair. Newton is 6-foot-5, 248 pounds and ran an official time of 4.59 seconds in his 40-yard dash Sunday. The team that drafts him can probably expect a completion percentage of 54 in his first year and plenty of big plays. He doesn't do well throwing to his left, but a lot of young quarterbacks have that problem in their first couple of pro years. Ben Roethlisberger, who compares to Newton a lot, had that problem in his first couple of years. Newton was 1-for-3 on short out passes and missed all three of his passes on deep throws down the left sideline. He also missed three short out passes to his right. But Newton can rifle accurate turn-in passes and his post-corner routes are exceptional.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=6164692
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All of this sounds like Tebow. Except reverse some of it because he throws left-handed. But somehow Tebow "cant play", and this dude is "the real deal"?

The world of NFL pundits is a strange one...where personal biases overcome honesty.

You have to give McD some credit for being able to cut through the crap and see Tebow for what he really was.

Play2win
02-27-2011, 07:08 PM
Political Correctness.

maven
02-27-2011, 07:10 PM
We need to see more of Tebow. As of now, he isn't there.

schaaf
02-27-2011, 07:12 PM
Need More Tebow.

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 07:12 PM
We need to see more of Tebow. As of now, he isn't there.

We have seen Tebow in the NFL. He looked pretty dang good.

Newton hasnt played a down.

maven
02-27-2011, 07:15 PM
We have seen Tebow in the NFL. He looked pretty dang good.


I want to see more Tebow. Lets not get carried away after 3 games.

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 07:18 PM
I want to see more Tebow. Lets not get carried away after 3 games.

Everybody wants to see more of Tebow.

Because the dude exceeded everyones expectations and looked like an NFL QB, even when people said that he wouldnt.

peacepipe
02-27-2011, 07:24 PM
Everybody wants to see more of Tebow.

Because the dude exceeded everyones expectations and looked like an NFL QB, even when people said that he wouldnt.

far from. BTW I said tebow was a bad pick when he got drafted & nothing has happened to prove me wrong.

gyldenlove
02-27-2011, 07:29 PM
1. Newton is the real deal: Newton doesn't use much of his legs when he throws the football, but his arm is so naturally strong he can throw 50 to 60 yards with ease. There are no throws he can't make. He reminds me a lot of a young Steve McNair. Newton is 6-foot-5, 248 pounds and ran an official time of 4.59 seconds in his 40-yard dash Sunday. The team that drafts him can probably expect a completion percentage of 54 in his first year and plenty of big plays. He doesn't do well throwing to his left, but a lot of young quarterbacks have that problem in their first couple of pro years. Ben Roethlisberger, who compares to Newton a lot, had that problem in his first couple of years. Newton was 1-for-3 on short out passes and missed all three of his passes on deep throws down the left sideline. He also missed three short out passes to his right. But Newton can rifle accurate turn-in passes and his post-corner routes are exceptional.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=6164692
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All of this sounds like Tebow. Except reverse some of it because he throws left-handed. But somehow Tebow "cant play", and this dude is "the real deal"?

The world of NFL pundits is a strange one...where personal biases overcome honesty.

You have to give McD some credit for being able to cut through the crap and see Tebow for what he really was.

Come on, a John Clayton report gets you riled up? There are tribes in the deep amazon rain forest as of yet untouched by modern civilization that know more about football than he does.

How exactly does he compare to Roethlisberger? Roethlisberger was a 3 year starter who threw for more than 3000 yards all 3 years (something Newton has yet to do), and never rushed for more than 200 yards in a season. The two are about as like as two completely dissimilar things in a pod.

A completion % of 54? that would rank in the bottom 3 in the league 2 of the last 3 years and bottom 5 the last year. Ben Roethlisberger in his first season completed 66%, Flacco completed 60%, Ryan completed 61%. The only QBs I could find who were drafted relatively recently and who completed 54$% or less in their first seasons are Jamarcus Russell and Eli Manning.

schaaf
02-27-2011, 07:29 PM
far from. BTW I said tebow was a bad pick when he got drafted & nothing has happened to prove me wrong.

I would guess that about 70% of people believed Tebow couldn't play in the NFL.

And just a Q, what did you expect out of Tebow to think it was a good pick

bpc
02-27-2011, 07:31 PM
Cam Newton has a much better throwing motion than Tebow did. Very natural, a lot more compact.

Honestly, the QB's at the combine blowing up or doing well is what we want. We need to drive the value up on that #2 selection. We are in a prime spot to trade back within the top 10 with Buffalo sitting at #3 needing a QB, and Carolina probably too cheap to invest in one.

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 07:32 PM
Come on, a John Clayton report gets you riled up? There are tribes in the deep amazon rain forest as of yet untouched by modern civilization that know more about football than he does..

True...though the alien race that spawned John Clayton does have access to superior knowledge.

OrangeCrush2724
02-27-2011, 08:02 PM
We have seen Tebow in the NFL. He looked pretty dang good.

Newton hasnt played a down.

Tebow looked like he has potential. I disagree with "pretty dang good". We need to see him more before we classify him as good/bad. Let's see what he can do in the pocket. Any team with an average defense can shut down the rollouts. If Tebow can't pass through the pocket, he is in for a short career. I'm rooting for the kid.

broncos-rock
02-27-2011, 08:16 PM
[QUOTE=epicSocialism4tw;3125926]1. Newton is the real deal: Newton doesn't use much of his legs when he throws the football, but his arm is so naturally strong he can throw 50 to 60 yards with ease. There are no throws he can't make. He reminds me a lot of a young Steve McNair. Newton is 6-foot-5, 248 pounds and ran an official time of 4.59 seconds in his 40-yard dash Sunday. The team that drafts him can probably expect a completion percentage of 54 in his first year and plenty of big plays. He doesn't do well throwing to his left, but a lot of young quarterbacks have that problem in their first couple of pro years. Ben Roethlisberger, who compares to Newton a lot, had that problem in his first couple of years. Newton was 1-for-3 on short out passes and missed all three of his passes on deep throws down the left sideline. He also missed three short out passes to his right. But Newton can rifle accurate turn-in passes and his post-corner routes are exceptional.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=6164692
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The first guy that popped into my head was Kyle Boller

Houshyamama
02-27-2011, 08:18 PM
We need to see more of Tebow. As of now, he isn't there.

You're doing this all wrong. The lesser known of the two is Newton as Tebow has actually played in the NFL. Perhaps I'm not understanding you correctly when you say, "As of now, he isn't there." Isn't where? At Newton's level? Hilarious!

Tim
02-27-2011, 08:47 PM
Cam Newton is Vince Young #2. He's an athlete and he'll be around for years with good and bad passing days. I don't think he is worthy of an early first round pick with all the other qbs available though.

cutthemdown
02-27-2011, 08:50 PM
Who knows if Tebow will get it done. I think we will know after next yr though. Either way keep building the defense, the oline, add weapons who can score and develop Tebow. If it doesn't work with him we will start a new project. Orton a serviceable vet IMO. He could win 10 games no problem with a decent defense that gives up 20 points a game or less and forces a couple turnovers a game.

Mogulseeker
02-27-2011, 08:50 PM
[QUOTE=epicSocialism4tw;3125926]1. Newton is the real deal: Newton doesn't use much of his legs when he throws the football, but his arm is so naturally strong he can throw 50 to 60 yards with ease. There are no throws he can't make. He reminds me a lot of a young Steve McNair. Newton is 6-foot-5, 248 pounds and ran an official time of 4.59 seconds in his 40-yard dash Sunday. The team that drafts him can probably expect a completion percentage of 54 in his first year and plenty of big plays. He doesn't do well throwing to his left, but a lot of young quarterbacks have that problem in their first couple of pro years. Ben Roethlisberger, who compares to Newton a lot, had that problem in his first couple of years. Newton was 1-for-3 on short out passes and missed all three of his passes on deep throws down the left sideline. He also missed three short out passes to his right. But Newton can rifle accurate turn-in passes and his post-corner routes are exceptional.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=6164692
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The first guy that popped into my head was Kyle Boller

Or Jamarcus Russel, haha.

Popps
02-27-2011, 09:25 PM
Cam Newton has a much better throwing motion than Tebow did. Very natural, a lot more compact.

Honestly, the QB's at the combine blowing up or doing well is what we want. We need to drive the value up on that #2 selection. We are in a prime spot to trade back within the top 10 with Buffalo sitting at #3 needing a QB, and Carolina probably too cheap to invest in one.

Hell just froze over. Agree with BPC on something.

I love Tebow, but his mechanics aren't as good as any of these 1st round QB's this year, imo. Doesn't mean he won't succeed... but Newton looks like a better pure passer at this point in his career.

(Though, he looked awful throwing the out routes. Anyone see that?)

schaaf
02-27-2011, 09:40 PM
Still don't understand why everyone talks about mechanics.

Coaches say mechanics is an overused word that ESPN analysts throw out there. Phillip Rivers has arguably the "worst" mechanics in the NFL and look at him. Every single quarterback in the league has different mechanics.

Crushaholic
02-27-2011, 09:47 PM
So...Black quarterbacks are compared to Steve McNair and white receivers are compared to Ed McCaffrey? I just wanted to be sure...:clown:

MacGruder
02-27-2011, 09:47 PM
far from. BTW I said tebow was a bad pick when he got drafted & nothing has happened to prove me wrong.

You don't know talent then.

People are looking at this Tebow thing the completely wrong way. Tebow was a more successful passer than Cam with crazy mechanics.

Tebow overcame horrible mechanics and was a much better passer.

If you look at it accurately like this you realize that it's not a question of IF Tebow becomes a great QB but when. And with his work ethic and great ability it's not likely to take long.

NFL scouts are looking at it the completely wrong way. They make the faulty assumption that Tebow tried to change and be NFL ready and failed. But Urban Meyer was smart. He didn't mess with Tebow much knowing NFL peole would want to mold him their own way. And since Tebow was dominant the way he was. no reason to mess with it.

But NFL people never encounter players like Tebow. They don't run into guys wih this much talent in reserve. It's completely foreign to them.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-27-2011, 09:56 PM
far from. BTW I said tebow was a bad pick when he got drafted & nothing has happened to prove me wrong.

I dont understand how anyone could have watched that Texans game and not come away impressed. If Bradford went 16/29 for 309 yards, 50 yards rushing while taking his team back from down seventeen in his SECOND start, pundits would be lining up to jerk him off. Yet, with Timmy, apparently it was just some cute novelty.

Chris
02-27-2011, 09:57 PM
Sports media and punditry are largely a joke but unfortunately they're inextricably a part of the sport since this is first and foremost entertainment. I don't put much stock in what anyone not named Mayock says.

DivineBronco
02-27-2011, 11:49 PM
this is the interesting time for Newton it is all about the combine and people start to forget about the behind the scenes issues that have followed him for 3 years. But at some point before the draft they will start to come up again. Someone needs to do a chart of where he was on draft boards one month ago where he is now and where he is right before

Cmac821
02-28-2011, 05:25 AM
Oddly enough the thing I hate the most is his last name, sounds awkward to me...in texas I hear a lot of "nute-nt", hard to explain but I am sure you get the point

Jesterhole
02-28-2011, 05:35 AM
Everybody wants to see more of Tebow.

Because the dude exceeded everyones expectations and looked like an NFL QB, even when people said that he wouldnt.

Hmmm, I would actually disagree, and say he looked different than an NFL QB, but still like someone who could get it done.

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 05:42 AM
1. Newton is the real deal: Newton doesn't use much of his legs when he throws the football, but his arm is so naturally strong he can throw 50 to 60 yards with ease. There are no throws he can't make. He reminds me a lot of a young Steve McNair. Newton is 6-foot-5, 248 pounds and ran an official time of 4.59 seconds in his 40-yard dash Sunday. The team that drafts him can probably expect a completion percentage of 54 in his first year and plenty of big plays. He doesn't do well throwing to his left, but a lot of young quarterbacks have that problem in their first couple of pro years. Ben Roethlisberger, who compares to Newton a lot, had that problem in his first couple of years. Newton was 1-for-3 on short out passes and missed all three of his passes on deep throws down the left sideline. He also missed three short out passes to his right. But Newton can rifle accurate turn-in passes and his post-corner routes are exceptional.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=6164692
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All of this sounds like Tebow. Except reverse some of it because he throws left-handed. But somehow Tebow "cant play", and this dude is "the real deal"?

The world of NFL pundits is a strange one...where personal biases overcome honesty.

You have to give McD some credit for being able to cut through the crap and see Tebow for what he really was.


Not that I don't like Tebow a ton, but Cam Newton has a lot more going for him coming out of college than Tebow from a talent and mechanical perspective. Newton has great mechanics, very good footwork in the pocket, and a rocket arm without question. Tebow had questionable mechanics, poor footwork in the pocket, and a questionable arm. I think Tebow has improved on all three, but Cam is still more NFL ready from that standpoint. Also Cam has 3" on Tebow. The one thing that Tebow has that Cam does not is character. With Tebow you know you have a worker that will never let you down off the field. With Cam, you have a big question mark there. Ask yourself this question, if Cam didn't have all these off field issues (Cheating on the test, trying to get money out of Miss. St, etc.) would he be a sure top 3 pick? Yep.

As far as his passing accuracy during the combine, I think it is way overblown. Passing to a different receiver every time and rotating in every 10 or so attempts isn't going to establish a rhythm for the QB or receiver. To be honest, I'm pretty impressed with QBs that do throw at the combine. They are out of their comfort zone, throwing to receivers they aren't familiar with, routes that are all over the place and drills that are designed to challenge the receivers so they can see them track down balls or make the difficult catches, keep their feet, and turn up field and finish. Cam will throw at his pro day and you'll hear about only one or two balls hitting the field all day.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
02-28-2011, 06:55 AM
I would guess that about 70% of people believed Tebow couldn't play in the NFL.

And just a Q, what did you expect out of Tebow to think it was a good pick

For me, it's like the Supreme Court's definition of pornography. I can't really define it per se, but I know it when I see it.

Mogulseeker
02-28-2011, 08:19 AM
A. If mechanics are overrated, then why did Tebow - a guy who, all else considered looks like a 1st overall pick - slip to 25th? Even then, most analyists thought we reached a little to get him.

B. Tebow played better than I though he would, and I'm excited about what he is capable of doing. I think he's capable of being a franchise player, but I'm cautious about that. I like that he can get things done, and the intangibles are there. He is the type of guy who can lead a team... still, he only completed 50 percent of his passes.

Tombstone RJ
02-28-2011, 08:31 AM
1. Newton is the real deal: Newton doesn't use much of his legs when he throws the football, but his arm is so naturally strong he can throw 50 to 60 yards with ease. There are no throws he can't make. He reminds me a lot of a young Steve McNair. Newton is 6-foot-5, 248 pounds and ran an official time of 4.59 seconds in his 40-yard dash Sunday. The team that drafts him can probably expect a completion percentage of 54 in his first year and plenty of big plays. He doesn't do well throwing to his left, but a lot of young quarterbacks have that problem in their first couple of pro years. Ben Roethlisberger, who compares to Newton a lot, had that problem in his first couple of years. Newton was 1-for-3 on short out passes and missed all three of his passes on deep throws down the left sideline. He also missed three short out passes to his right. But Newton can rifle accurate turn-in passes and his post-corner routes are exceptional.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=6164692
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All of this sounds like Tebow. Except reverse some of it because he throws left-handed. But somehow Tebow "cant play", and this dude is "the real deal"?

The world of NFL pundits is a strange one...where personal biases overcome honesty.

You have to give McD some credit for being able to cut through the crap and see Tebow for what he really was.

Fantastic! Newton is the REAL DEAL. He's it! He's the next great QB, some team better step up and take him EARLY!!

gyldenlove
02-28-2011, 08:34 AM
Not that I don't like Tebow a ton, but Cam Newton has a lot more going for him coming out of college than Tebow from a talent and mechanical perspective. Newton has great mechanics, very good footwork in the pocket, and a rocket arm without question. Tebow had questionable mechanics, poor footwork in the pocket, and a questionable arm. I think Tebow has improved on all three, but Cam is still more NFL ready from that standpoint. Also Cam has 3" on Tebow. The one thing that Tebow has that Cam does not is character. With Tebow you know you have a worker that will never let you down off the field. With Cam, you have a big question mark there. Ask yourself this question, if Cam didn't have all these off field issues (Cheating on the test, trying to get money out of Miss. St, etc.) would he be a sure top 3 pick? Yep.

As far as his passing accuracy during the combine, I think it is way overblown. Passing to a different receiver every time and rotating in every 10 or so attempts isn't going to establish a rhythm for the QB or receiver. To be honest, I'm pretty impressed with QBs that do throw at the combine. They are out of their comfort zone, throwing to receivers they aren't familiar with, routes that are all over the place and drills that are designed to challenge the receivers so they can see them track down balls or make the difficult catches, keep their feet, and turn up field and finish. Cam will throw at his pro day and you'll hear about only one or two balls hitting the field all day.

Tebow also had multi year production, Newton has only played against good opponents for 1 year.

People are going to question Newton's dedication to the game, we saw with Jamarcus Russell who was not dedidated at all to football once he had cashed in that dedication is extremely important. If Newton wants to be a star and an entertainer is he going to stick his nose into the playbook every day in February and March, is he going to live at the gym or is he going to be living in the VIP section during May and June? With Tebow you knew that despite his short comings he would do everything possible to overcome that, but will Newton?

If you draft a QB in the top 5 you are paying him like a multiple pro bowler, and if that guy is not seriously committed he will wash out, that is a lot of money down the drain.

Cito Pelon
02-28-2011, 08:56 AM
Newton 'frustrated' by throwing performance
Posted on: February 28, 2011 12:04
Posted by Will Brinson

Cam Newton was the unquestioned star of the weekend combine action. Even though his on-field performance left many a question to be answered, he drew the biggest media crowds, did well at his press conference and proved what a ridiculous athlete he is.

Naturally, then, people were curious as to what he thought about his throwing session. The answer: "frustrated."

"I underestimated the timing aspect of playing quarterback," Newton said on set with the NFL Network crew. "You had receivers from the SEC, the SWAC, the MAC. I was somewhat frustrated, but at the same time, I was having fun out there."

The weird thing about the combine, as Mike Mayock pointed out, is that quarterbacks aren't being judged on whether or not they complete passes (which is what they're used to doing) but whether or not they can throw a pass to a particular spot (which is what they're not necessarily trained to do).

Therefore, while Newton clearly struggled passing the ball in a manner he's not entirely used to, it's still likely his draft stock won't slip that far.

Even some of the biggest misses won't sink his chances of being a top-five pick, because for all the criticism he'll take for needing development, there's equal praise about his ability to utilize his athletic prowess to overcome any problems.

So it's understandable to frustrated, but he probably shouldn't be too worried.

http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/27692302

I don't know what to make of this. Isn't "accuracy" throwing a ball to a particular spot? If you're supposed to throw a 10-yd out, the QB is throwing the ball before the reciever makes his break and throwing it to a particular spot 10 yds from the LOS on the sideline.

Apparently, from the OP Newton was sailing the ball on the outs, that's not accuracy.

BroncoMan4ever
02-28-2011, 09:18 AM
1. Newton is the real deal: Newton doesn't use much of his legs when he throws the football, but his arm is so naturally strong he can throw 50 to 60 yards with ease. There are no throws he can't make. He reminds me a lot of a young Steve McNair. Newton is 6-foot-5, 248 pounds and ran an official time of 4.59 seconds in his 40-yard dash Sunday. The team that drafts him can probably expect a completion percentage of 54 in his first year and plenty of big plays. He doesn't do well throwing to his left, but a lot of young quarterbacks have that problem in their first couple of pro years. Ben Roethlisberger, who compares to Newton a lot, had that problem in his first couple of years. Newton was 1-for-3 on short out passes and missed all three of his passes on deep throws down the left sideline. He also missed three short out passes to his right. But Newton can rifle accurate turn-in passes and his post-corner routes are exceptional.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=6164692
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All of this sounds like Tebow. Except reverse some of it because he throws left-handed. But somehow Tebow "cant play", and this dude is "the real deal"?

The world of NFL pundits is a strange one...where personal biases overcome honesty.

You have to give McD some credit for being able to cut through the crap and see Tebow for what he really was.

i have wondered about that crap since midway through the season when Newton was getting so much praise. He is Tebow minus all the intangibles that Tebow has that he will use to make himself great.

i don't understand why Newton is going to revolutionize the way QB is played in the NFL but Tebow will be lucky to become serviceable according to the same pundits.

BroncoMan4ever
02-28-2011, 09:19 AM
Fantastic! Newton is the REAL DEAL. He's it! He's the next great QB, some team better step up and take him EARLY!!

Number 2 pick is for sale, because supposedly the Bills at 3 are really interested.

Archer81
02-28-2011, 09:24 AM
i don't understand why Newton is going to revolutionize the way QB is played in the NFL but Tebow will be lucky to become serviceable according to the same pundits.


Tebow does not expect to just play in the NFL and be great. Newton gives me the impression that he expects the starting job from minute one and that the NFL is just an expansion of college and he will do just as well there. It was funny watching the NFLN the other day and they were talking about Newton...everything they said about him can be applied to Tim.

So f them. We have our PQBOTF. Lets roll with it.

:Broncos:

BroncoBuff
02-28-2011, 09:32 AM
Or Jamarcus Russel, haha.

Beat me to it, Jamarcus. The article is mostly about arm strength, and Cam has that same sick gun Jamarcus has/had. They're about the same size too, on draft day anyway. Tebow has a few things in common with Newton ... both won Heisman Trophies and National Championships on SEC teams, but I think Cam and Russell are more physically gifted.

Oh no Guapo, we must be wrong, Bleacher Report says the same thing (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/572297-cam-newton-10-reasons-why-hes-another-jamarcus-russell).

BroncoMan4ever
02-28-2011, 09:48 AM
Tebow does not expect to just play in the NFL and be great. Newton gives me the impression that he expects the starting job from minute one and that the NFL is just an expansion of college and he will do just as well there. It was funny watching the NFLN the other day and they were talking about Newton...everything they said about him can be applied to Tim.

So f them. We have our PQBOTF. Lets roll with it.

:Broncos:

agreed!:thumbs:

MacGruder
02-28-2011, 10:32 AM
Beat me to it, Jamarcus. The article is mostly about arm strength, and Cam has that same sick gun Jamarcus has/had. They're about the same size too, on draft day anyway. Tebow has a few things in common with Newton ... both won Heisman Trophies and National Championships on SEC teams, but I think Cam and Russell are more physically gifted.

Oh no Guapo, we must be wrong, Bleacher Report says the same thing (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/572297-cam-newton-10-reasons-why-hes-another-jamarcus-russell).

Doesn't matter how physically gifted you are if you aren't a great QB. Tebow is.. Newton I don't even think is even a QB. No one believes this.. but Cam is nowhere near the runner or thrower Tebow is. Cam had people that put him in the perfect situation... and his school may have even paid for the perfect situation. There is a reason UF let Cam go and AU paid for Cam. UF has a finesse pass heavy offense Cam couldn't run. Au had a power run game that complements a running QB perfectly. Cam as a runner was a bonus on that power run game. Tebow turned a finesse pass heavy offense INTO a power SEC running team single handedly. Cam would have gotten killed attempting that. That is why Florida let him go. Take away that run game around him.. take away that huge dominant offensive line that was full of seniors. His passing game is going to fall apart faster than a Chinese motorcycle.

Also.. look at the the combine numbers. Tebow is much more of a freak. I think he is far far stronger and more durable too. All Cam has on Tebow is height... and I think that is a huge liability running the ball. How many 6'6 runningbacks do you see?

Cito Pelon
02-28-2011, 10:39 AM
Mallett rallies and impresses after interview fumble

By Len Pasquarelli
The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
Feb. 28, 2011

INDIANAPOLIS -- Despite a Saturday afternoon media session in which some felt that quarterback Ryan Mallett was caustic and evasive when questioned about the drug allegations surrounding him, most league franchises that subjected the former Arkansas star to a closed door interview came away impressed with him.

Three teams that met with Mallett at the combine said they had no problems with his responses to the drug allegations or with his demeanor.

"The guy looked us right in the eyes and didn't dodge anything at all," said a high-ranking executive from an NFC team that is considering its quarterback options in the 2011 draft. "If we don't take him, it certainly won't be a reflection of his time with us (in the interview)."

Mallett was arguably the most impressive prospect throwing the ball during the Sunday on-field session for quarterbacks. He exhibited the strong arm most scouts expected of him and was very accurate as well. More accurate, notably, than former Auburn star and Heisman Trophy winner Cam Newton, clearly the most celebrated player among the 330 prospects invited to Indianapolis last week.

The physical difference wasn't the lone disparity between the players, said an assistant coach from an AFC club that might be interested in choosing a quarterback in the draft in two months.

"(Mallett) wasn't as self-absorbed as the other guy," the official said. "We really had no problem with him. He was pretty (straightforward), and he was very good, too, at (diagramming plays) on the chalkboard."

He has first-round talent -- Mallett told media he can throw the ball 80 yards, and his 6-foot-6, 253-pound frame makes him ideal for a team seeking a pocket passer -- but leadership questions existed before recent reports of his alleged drug use. Based on NFLDraftScout.com's current projections, Mallett could be in a battle with Washington's Jake Locker and Nevada's Colin Kaepernick to follow Newton and Missouri junior Blaine Gabbert off the board in April's draft.

None of the clubs queried chose to comment on the drug allegations and the manner in which Mallett fared in his media session.

Although Newton was met with mixed reviews for his appearance with the media on Saturday, the former Auburn star received generally favorable comments for his 11-minute session. Mallett, on the other hand, was mostly panned for his handling of the media.
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The more these QB's impress the better for Denver. Maybe, just maybe, Denver can parlay the #2 into a few more 2nd-3rd-4th draft picks by moving down in the 1st round not only once, but twice.

Doing that may cost them one of the "top" DT's Fairley or Dareus, but could allow Denver to still have a top-15 1st-rounder and also move back into the later first round, and also still have 2nd-rounders.

It's a possibility. Just speculating.

Mountain Bronco
02-28-2011, 10:43 AM
Every other report I have read said he missed all of his deap tosses, and sailed his first two outs 10 feet over the targets head. All other reports say he is a major project after watching the combine. What gives??

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 10:50 AM
Tebow also had multi year production, Newton has only played against good opponents for 1 year.

People are going to question Newton's dedication to the game, we saw with Jamarcus Russell who was not dedidated at all to football once he had cashed in that dedication is extremely important. If Newton wants to be a star and an entertainer is he going to stick his nose into the playbook every day in February and March, is he going to live at the gym or is he going to be living in the VIP section during May and June? With Tebow you knew that despite his short comings he would do everything possible to overcome that, but will Newton?

If you draft a QB in the top 5 you are paying him like a multiple pro bowler, and if that guy is not seriously committed he will wash out, that is a lot of money down the drain.

Not buying that argument either. Newton said he wanted to be an Icon an Entertainer so that he could market himself. He wasn't saying that to NFL Teams. As far as comparing him to Jamarcus Russell... Have you seen Newton at this combine? Dude is cut and if you didn't know he was a QB you would think he was a chisled DE. Jarmcus on the other hand showed up at 275lbs looking like a slob. Big difference!

Cito Pelon
02-28-2011, 12:00 PM
Every other report I have read said he missed all of his deap tosses, and sailed his first two outs 10 feet over the targets head. All other reports say he is a major project after watching the combine. What gives??

Combine notes: Newton struggles on field, Mallett impresses
NFLDraftScout.comFeb. 27, 2011

INDIANAPOLIS -- Cam Newton's on-field work was the most highly-anticipated activity inside Lucas Oil Stadium on Sunday as the skill position players took center stage, but it was the accurate passing of Florida State's Christian Ponder and Arkansas' Ryan Mallett that ultimately generated buzz among scouts.

Ponder, displaying improved arm strength since his MVP-winning performance at the Senior Bowl, showed his precision in the short to intermediate levels. He zipped the deep out, leading his receivers to the sideline, and showed very good touch on the post-corner route -- the most difficult throw quarterbacks are asked to make during these sessions.

Newton's physical tools are undeniable, but so is the fact that he is still learning the intricacies of dropping back to throw after having taken the vast majority of his snaps out of the shotgun at Auburn.

Despite his obvious athleticism, Newton was slow in his drops, forcing him to hurry his throwing motion to get the ball out in time as receivers ran their routes. As he hurried his motion, he wasn't able to transfer his weight fluidly from his back step to his front, resulting in several inaccurate passes.

Newton's poorest throws were on the deep outs, a staple of any pro-style offense. Several throws sailed high and wide out of bounds, a couple of feet over the heads of his intended targets. Other than the simple 10-yard tosses he threw early to receivers running the gauntlet drill, Newton completed only 11 of 21 passes.

Ponder and Newton were part of the second throwing session. They were preceded by Mallett, Washington's Jake Locker, Nevada's Colin Kaepernick and TCU's Andy Dalton, among others, in the morning workout.

For all of Mallett's question marks off the field, there is no questioning his talent on it. The lanky quarterback drove the ball downfield with an effortless throwing motion and showed better than expected touch on his post-corners and excellent trajectory and accuracy on his deep ball.

Locker also helped his cause with an impressive throwing session. He started off slowly, forcing receivers to reach outside of their frame on some of the simpler routes. Locker heated up as the workout went along, however, making several of his best throws on the more difficult passes, including the outs, deep balls and post-corners.

Kaepernick had his moments, drilling deep outs and showing nice touch on his deep ball, but his baseball-influenced throwing motion that has long been a source of consternation for some, remains.

Dalton was among a host of several highly productive collegiate stars who struggled to prove they have that rare combination of arm strength and accuracy necessary to duplicate their success in the NFL. Dalton, Virginia Tech's Tyrod Taylor and Iowa's Ricky Stanzi each must rely on the strength of their productive careers on the field after lackluster performances in Indianapolis.

Despite his athleticism, Cam Newton was slow in his drops during his workout, and threw several inaccurate passes. (AP)
Missouri's Blaine Gabbert, the top-rated quarterback prospect by NFLDraftScout.com, was the only quarterback who did not participate in the positional drills.

In the athletic testing, the mobile quarterbacks dominated the 40-yard dash, as expected, with Gabbert (4.61 seconds), Kaepernick (4.53), Locker (4.52), Newton (4.58) and Ponder (4.65) all posting excellent times.

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If I'm violating terms of use contents with this somebody tell me.

Interesting analysis of the QB's at the combine.

Gabbert didn't participate in any of the drills, but all the other top QB's did.

gyldenlove
02-28-2011, 12:09 PM
Not buying that argument either. Newton said he wanted to be an Icon an Entertainer so that he could market himself. He wasn't saying that to NFL Teams. As far as comparing him to Jamarcus Russell... Have you seen Newton at this combine? Dude is cut and if you didn't know he was a QB you would think he was a chisled DE. Jarmcus on the other hand showed up at 275lbs looking like a slob. Big difference!

I have seen a lot of people show up chisseled at the combine only to fall flat on their face when they make it to the pros and get money.

Guys like Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder both had very good combine workouts, and I didn't get the feeling that either of those guys really worked their butts of to make it.

If you read what I actually wrote you will see I don't compare Newton to Russell, I am simply using Jamarcus as an example of how badly wrong it can go if a young guy suddenly makes a ton of cash without having to earn it.

Cito Pelon
02-28-2011, 12:35 PM
Not buying that argument either. Newton said he wanted to be an Icon an Entertainer so that he could market himself. He wasn't saying that to NFL Teams. As far as comparing him to Jamarcus Russell... Have you seen Newton at this combine? Dude is cut and if you didn't know he was a QB you would think he was a chisled DE. Jarmcus on the other hand showed up at 275lbs looking like a slob. Big difference!

I was disappointed with Newton, not because I'm in love with the dude, but because his poor passing drills somewhat diminishes Denver's #2 as a trade value.

Newton blamed his problems on the WR's he was throwing to, but the other top QB's did just fine, except for Gabbert who didn't even participate in the passing drills.

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 12:51 PM
I was disappointed with Newton, not because I'm in love with the dude, but because his poor passing drills somewhat diminishes Denver's #2 as a trade value.

Newton blamed his problems on the WR's he was throwing to, but the other top QB's did just fine, except for Gabbert who didn't even participate in the passing drills.

I'm not trying to defend Newton. I could care less where the guy gets drafted (assuming Denver doesn't do something incredibly stupid here). But the knee jerk reaction of fans b/c he missed some passes is pretty funny. Like I said, come late March after he has completed his pro day and individual workouts, those incomplete passes at the combine will not matter much.

And I watched all of the QBs at the Combine, Mallet was the best and he missed plenty of throws too. Watch how much things change when these guys start throwing to receivers with planned routes and timing that's rehearsed... I'm willing to bet that Locker, Mallet, Gabbert and Newton all shine and end up in the first round.

LRtagger
02-28-2011, 01:03 PM
All of this sounds like Tebow. Except reverse some of it because he throws left-handed. But somehow Tebow "cant play", and this dude is "the real deal"?

The world of NFL pundits is a strange one...where personal biases overcome honesty.

You have to give McD some credit for being able to cut through the crap and see Tebow for what he really was.

Sounds more like another QB on our roster.

Quinn. Big arm, great mechanics, can't hit an open receiver.

ton80
02-28-2011, 01:21 PM
Anyone that watched the Nat'l Championship game between Auburn and Oregon saw Newton miss two easy TD passes. For me at least, that is all you need to know about the guy.

Newton couldn't carry Tebow's jock.

Mountain Bronco
02-28-2011, 02:54 PM
I watched the combine video of Newton and he didn't just miss recievers he missed the whole field by 10 yars. If you don't put it in the field of play how are any recievers supposed to get it.

I think the guy is a monumental jack ass and I hope he fails, so take my comments with a grain of salt.

BroncoMan4ever
02-28-2011, 02:56 PM
A. If mechanics are overrated, then why did Tebow - a guy who, all else considered looks like a 1st overall pick - slip to 25th? Even then, most analyists thought we reached a little to get him.

B. Tebow played better than I though he would, and I'm excited about what he is capable of doing. I think he's capable of being a franchise player, but I'm cautious about that. I like that he can get things done, and the intangibles are there. He is the type of guy who can lead a team... still, he only completed 50 percent of his passes.

Sam Bradford 1st 3 starts
69 of 117 58% comp% 655 passing yards 5 TDs and 4 INTs 72.6 Passer RTG

Tebow 1st 3 starts
40 of 81 50% comp% 651 passing yards 4 TDs and 3 INTs 82.7 Passer RTG

Bradford was a little more accurate, but that was known coming out of college. with 36 fewer attempts, Tebow threw for almost the exact same yardage, and only 1 fewer TD and 1 fewer INT with a passer rating a full 10 points higher the Bradford, the Rookie of the Year.

Also you can factor in, Bradford was the starting QB from day 1 and got every rep and built became well versed in the offense and with his receivers. Tim got 2nd team reps and was not very well prepared to work with the receivers he did when finally put into game situation. he was used to working with the backups not the starters

very few QBs come out from college and immediately can make every throw or have pinpoint accuracy. that is gained from experience and work. Tebow hasn't gotten the experience yet, but we all know he is working his ass off on everything to make himself better.

and in comparison between the Rookie of the Year and Tebow's 1st 3 starts, the comparisons are pretty damn close

screw what the analysts say. i am looking at the numbers and what I saw on the field, and with those 2 things in mind, I am pretty damn happy with who we have at QB

MacGruder
02-28-2011, 04:08 PM
Bradford only seems more accurate because he makes so many short passes. Bradford also had a much better running game around him taking pressure off him. Tebow was the running game and his running helped the other runners.

People think Bradford is better than Tebow because he was on juts as talented a team at OU but was facing far weaker defenses than in the SEC. The BIG12 doesn't have anywhere near the parity in the SEC now. Same with Colt McCoy.

Cito Pelon
02-28-2011, 04:24 PM
Sam Bradford 1st 3 starts
69 of 117 58% comp% 655 passing yards 5 TDs and 4 INTs 72.6 Passer RTG

Tebow 1st 3 starts
40 of 81 50% comp% 651 passing yards 4 TDs and 3 INTs 82.7 Passer RTG

Bradford was a little more accurate, but that was known coming out of college. with 36 fewer attempts, Tebow threw for almost the exact same yardage, and only 1 fewer TD and 1 fewer INT with a passer rating a full 10 points higher the Bradford, the Rookie of the Year.

Also you can factor in, Bradford was the starting QB from day 1 and got every rep and built became well versed in the offense and with his receivers. Tim got 2nd team reps and was not very well prepared to work with the receivers he did when finally put into game situation. he was used to working with the backups not the starters

very few QBs come out from college and immediately can make every throw or have pinpoint accuracy. that is gained from experience and work. Tebow hasn't gotten the experience yet, but we all know he is working his ass off on everything to make himself better.

and in comparison between the Rookie of the Year and Tebow's 1st 3 starts, the comparisons are pretty damn close

screw what the analysts say. i am looking at the numbers and what I saw on the field, and with those 2 things in mind, I am pretty damn happy with who we have at QB

That's why Denver isn't looking to draft a QB.

Arkie
02-28-2011, 07:19 PM
Sam Bradford 1st 3 starts
69 of 117 58% comp% 655 passing yards 5 TDs and 4 INTs 72.6 Passer RTG

Tebow 1st 3 starts
40 of 81 50% comp% 651 passing yards 4 TDs and 3 INTs 82.7 Passer RTG

Bradford was a little more accurate, but that was known coming out of college. with 36 fewer attempts, Tebow threw for almost the exact same yardage, and only 1 fewer TD and 1 fewer INT with a passer rating a full 10 points higher the Bradford, the Rookie of the Year.

Also you can factor in, Bradford was the starting QB from day 1 and got every rep and built became well versed in the offense and with his receivers. Tim got 2nd team reps and was not very well prepared to work with the receivers he did when finally put into game situation. he was used to working with the backups not the starters

very few QBs come out from college and immediately can make every throw or have pinpoint accuracy. that is gained from experience and work. Tebow hasn't gotten the experience yet, but we all know he is working his ass off on everything to make himself better.

and in comparison between the Rookie of the Year and Tebow's 1st 3 starts, the comparisons are pretty damn close

screw what the analysts say. i am looking at the numbers and what I saw on the field, and with those 2 things in mind, I am pretty damn happy with who we have at QB

Tebow did better in his 1st three starts than all six 2010 pro bowl QBs too.

Passing Yards
683 Peyton Manning
651 Tim Tebow
618 Tom Brady
511 Matt Ryan
504 Drew Brees
488 Phillip Rivers
225 Michael Vick

Passing TDs
4 Tim Tebow
3 Drew Brees
3 Phillip Rivers
2 Peyton Manning
2 Matt Ryan
2 Tom Brady
2 Michael Vick

Rushing Yards
199 Tim Tebow
123 Michael Vick
41 Drew Brees
26 Peyton Manning
23 Matt Ryan
12 Phillip Rivers
11 Tom Brady

Rushing TDs
3 Tim Tebow
1 Michael Vick
0 Drew Brees
0 Peyton Manning
0 Matt Ryan
0 Phillip Rivers
0 Tom Brady

Experience level during 1st three starts
R Tim Tebow
R Matt Ryan
R Peyton Manning
R Michael Vick (1st two starts)
2 Drew Brees
2 Tom Brady
3 Phillip Rivers

OABB
02-28-2011, 07:27 PM
Tebow did better in his 1st three starts than all six 2010 pro bowl QBs too.

Passing Yards
683 Peyton Manning
651 Tim Tebow
618 Tom Brady
511 Matt Ryan
504 Drew Brees
488 Phillip Rivers
225 Michael Vick

Passing TDs
4 Tim Tebow
3 Drew Brees
3 Phillip Rivers
2 Peyton Manning
2 Matt Ryan
2 Tom Brady
2 Michael Vick

Rushing Yards
199 Tim Tebow
123 Michael Vick
41 Drew Brees
26 Peyton Manning
23 Matt Ryan
12 Phillip Rivers
11 Tom Brady

Rushing TDs
3 Tim Tebow
1 Michael Vick
0 Drew Brees
0 Peyton Manning
0 Matt Ryan
0 Phillip Rivers
0 Tom Brady

Experience level during 1st three starts
R Tim Tebow
R Matt Ryan
R Peyton Manning
R Michael Vick (1st two starts)
2 Drew Brees
2 Tom Brady
3 Phillip Rivers


Obviously you are a nuthugger. Tebow should be a rb. I hate religion. I'm a loser. Orton is awesome. Blah blah blah.

OABB
02-28-2011, 07:29 PM
Also tebow only played division rivals with top five pass defenses with an interim coach. That means they were meaningless games like tailgatenutsinmouth says.

Bust.

Bronco Yoda
02-28-2011, 08:08 PM
Tebow is going to make all you doubters look really stupid.