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anton
02-26-2011, 02:26 PM
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Pick Six
02-26-2011, 03:08 PM
All this demonstrates is that he's good enough to play on Sundays. I didn't see anything that screams 2nd overall pick. Fix the D-Line, first...

Bigdawg26
02-26-2011, 03:44 PM
He kinda looks alot like Ed Reed!! He's looks like a better safety than corner!

HEAV
02-26-2011, 04:42 PM
He's going to be "The Next Great" cornerback. The kid got skills you can't teach.

tsiguy96
02-26-2011, 04:52 PM
yea! high CB picks usually turn awful defenses around!

rugbythug
02-26-2011, 05:19 PM
When he runs a 4.5 do we still want him?

CEH
02-26-2011, 06:49 PM
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I posted this in the "Who do we select at #2 thread" and the 4:10 mark is a perfect example why I want pass rush Von Miller or Bower or Quinn. Load up the opposite side away from Bailey with the blitz from Doom and who we select and force the QB to eat it or go at Champ. Having a centerfielder like OJ won't hurt either.

I can live with PP but at #2 he is a safe pick from a organization that needs to hit with draft picks after McFail.

razorwire77
02-26-2011, 08:14 PM
When he runs a 4.5 do we still want him?

There's no way he runs a 4.5. A sub 4.4 is a real possibility.

DarkHorse30
02-26-2011, 10:36 PM
I was looking forward to the cotton bowl this year to see Peterson, who I hadn't seen play yet. And then he was not really that good in the cotton bowl. So, how can we draft him above his value if he doesn't show up in the biggest game of his life?

I'd rather maybe use a third on Jimmy Smith if he falls that far. I don't like to see colorado stars going somewhere else. I think he is ranked in SN ahead of Peterson and Amukamara.

uplink
02-26-2011, 11:06 PM
Just saw on NFL network combine coverage that they had Peterson going #1 to the panthers (Billicks Mock I think)

Play2win
02-26-2011, 11:26 PM
I bet Eddie Royal, Wes Welker, that punk from the Eagles (which one?!?), anybody with great quicks and cuts would eat him up. But, he sure looks like he would be an outstanding safety...

Play2win
02-26-2011, 11:27 PM
Just saw on NFL network combine coverage that they had Peterson going #1 to the panthers (Billicks Mock I think)

Please, please, please :pray:

Then we could have Dareus ALL DAY!!!

footstepsfrom#27
02-26-2011, 11:34 PM
I was looking forward to the cotton bowl this year to see Peterson, who I hadn't seen play yet. And then he was not really that good in the cotton bowl. So, how can we draft him above his value if he doesn't show up in the biggest game of his life?

I'd rather maybe use a third on Jimmy Smith if he falls that far. I don't like to see colorado stars going somewhere else. I think he is ranked in SN ahead of Peterson and Amukamara.
You're crazy if you think Jimmy Smith is going ahead of Peterson, or Amukamara either for that matter.

You don't judge a guy by one game, you judge him on totality of talent and the rest of the intangibles he has. Peterson is the closest thing to a sure bet in this draft.

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 01:25 AM
That footage of him against Alabama is probably close to what youre going to get from him as a pro. He made some plays and got beat on some plays.

The thing I noticed that gave me a little worry: his hip swivel isnt smooth or quick. Hip swivel is what makes Champ the best cover DB I have ever seen. Peterson has the speed and the athleticism, but he's a little stiff through the trunk. Mainly because he's so big. Thats why big guys usually dont play corner. It also explains why he had some trouble with Julio Jones on slants and fly routes.

If Denvers going with a 4-3 zone, Patrick Peterson will not be picked. It likely will be Dareus or Fairley.

DarkHorse30
02-27-2011, 08:40 AM
You're crazy if you think Jimmy Smith is going ahead of Peterson, or Amukamara either for that matter.

You don't judge a guy by one game, you judge him on totality of talent and the rest of the intangibles he has. Peterson is the closest thing to a sure bet in this draft.

I didn't say he was better than Peterson....but some guy at Sporting News did. That's why I said maybe Smith might drop to the top of the 3rd round and we could nab him.

TheReverend
02-27-2011, 08:44 AM
I put together this footage of his "low"lights.

Enjoy:

Broncoman13
02-27-2011, 08:53 AM
I didn't say he was better than Peterson....but some guy at Sporting News did. That's why I said maybe Smith might drop to the top of the 3rd round and we could nab him.

Jimmy Smith will likely sneak into to the top of the first round... unless he gets injured or has some major red flags that come out over the next few weeks, he isn't going to make it to the 3rd round!

bronco
02-27-2011, 11:34 AM
I put together this footage of his "low"lights.

Enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26AB-ltC1Is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiyP2VnQdA

There's the invincible Peterson getting beaten on two separate occasions. I think he's one of the most overrated prospects I've seen since following the draft back in 2004. He's similar to me to Antrel Rolle, who busted as a corner but became a pretty good FS. Wouldn't be surprised if PP follows a similar career path.

broncogary
02-27-2011, 11:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26AB-ltC1Is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiyP2VnQdA

There's the invincible Peterson getting beaten on two separate occasions. I think he's one of the most overrated prospects I've seen since following the draft back in 2004. He's similar to me to Antrel Rolle, who busted as a corner but became a pretty good FS. Wouldn't be surprised if PP follows a similar career path.

What kind of name is "bronco?" :sunshine:

bronco
02-27-2011, 11:53 AM
a good one?

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 12:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26AB-ltC1Is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiyP2VnQdA

There's the invincible Peterson getting beaten on two separate occasions. I think he's one of the most overrated prospects I've seen since following the draft back in 2004. He's similar to me to Antrel Rolle, who busted as a corner but became a pretty good FS. Wouldn't be surprised if PP follows a similar career path.

Sacrilege! ;)

How dare you provide an alternative opinion!

TheReverend
02-27-2011, 12:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26AB-ltC1Is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiyP2VnQdA

There's the invincible Peterson getting beaten on two separate occasions. I think he's one of the most overrated prospects I've seen since following the draft back in 2004. He's similar to me to Antrel Rolle, who busted as a corner but became a pretty good FS. Wouldn't be surprised if PP follows a similar career path.

I beg to differ.

In video one, theyre running some underneath zones. I initially thought he got beat in man coverage there, but watch the dime corner on the opposite side of the field and how he squats on the underneath zone. Peterson is doing the same with the safety over the top and ALMOST has the vertical to get the ball in his hook zone coverage anyways

Video two he absolutely gives up the TD, though. I remember that one well :)

TheReverend
02-27-2011, 12:36 PM
I beg to differ.

In video one, theyre running some underneath zones. I initially thought he got beat in man coverage there, but watch the dime corner on the opposite side of the field and how he squats on the underneath zone. Peterson is doing the same with the safety over the top and ALMOST has the vertical to get the ball in his hook zone coverage anyways

Video two he absolutely gives up the TD, though. I remember that one well :)

Yup, in the replay they show the coverage on your first video closely.

Watch the outside corner on the opposite side of field squat just as deep as Peterson did even though both of "their" players were still going. They were releasing the players to the safety.

It wasn't poor safety play either. Just a good delivery into the seam of the zone by the offense.

oubronco
02-27-2011, 12:40 PM
Peterson doesn't look any better than Cox does on highlight tapes

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 12:53 PM
Yup, in the replay they show the coverage on your first video closely.

Watch the outside corner on the opposite side of field squat just as deep as Peterson did even though both of "their" players were still going. They were releasing the players to the safety.

It wasn't poor safety play either. Just a good delivery into the seam of the zone by the offense.

Did you just quote yourself? ;)

HEAV
02-27-2011, 01:10 PM
I was looking forward to the cotton bowl this year to see Peterson, who I hadn't seen play yet. And then he was not really that good in the cotton bowl. So, how can we draft him above his value if he doesn't show up in the biggest game of his life?

I'd rather maybe use a third on Jimmy Smith if he falls that far. I don't like to see colorado stars going somewhere else. I think he is ranked in SN ahead of Peterson and Amukamara.

Ya it's always smart to draft a player based on one game performance. I mean look at Jarvis Moss.

Da’Quan Bowers did nothing in Clemson's bowl loss to UCF. So he's not worthy of drafting then either.

As for drafting Colorado stars.... dude that's just insane. This is about the best players across the country! It's not about recruiting Colorado players to play in Denver.

TheReverend
02-27-2011, 01:33 PM
Did you just quote yourself? ;)

Yeah, wanted to be certain that I wasn't missing anything and that was the most relevant post to the follow up.

errand
02-27-2011, 01:46 PM
He's going to be "The Next Great" cornerback. The kid got skills you can't teach.

We've got Bailey and a couple of decent guys in the secondary....the problem is that the opposing QB shouldn't have 8 seconds to find the open man.

We need another corner like we need another QB......

TheReverend
02-27-2011, 02:08 PM
We've got Bailey and a couple of decent guys in the secondary....the problem is that the opposing QB shouldn't have 8 seconds to find the open man.

We need another corner like we need another QB......

If the secondary was properly covering for 8 seconds and the QB doesn't go down, that's a MASSIVE DC fail. Coverage that good always allows you to bring an extra player that the offense can't block. Period.

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 02:11 PM
Yeah, wanted to be certain that I wasn't missing anything and that was the most relevant post to the follow up.

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DarkHorse30
02-27-2011, 04:45 PM
As for drafting Colorado stars.... dude that's just insane. This is about the best players across the country! It's not about recruiting Colorado players to play in Denver.

I like colorado players staying in colorado.....sue me. And "it's about" drafting a highly rated CB in the 3rd round, when he's likely to be picked late first or second.

HEAV
02-27-2011, 05:52 PM
We've got Bailey and a couple of decent guys in the secondary....the problem is that the opposing QB shouldn't have 8 seconds to find the open man.

We need another corner like we need another QB......

Champ will be moving to FS in a few years. Goodman is 32 and showing injury concerns. Cox may be going to prison...

Syd'Quan could be a nice nickle back. Nate Jones is/was a jack of all DB's.

Cassius Vaughn...

One of the reasons why Champ is so good is the fact that he got to play Darrell Green for a period of years. Having a a young stud learn from Champ and grow would make the transition of Champ to saftey easier.

I'm all for front 4 help. But where do you play a high first round DE? We have Doom on one side and Ayers on the other. Inside we will have Bannan & Williams filling the DT spots.

If we select Bowers it means Ayers or Doom will lose reps, moved to backer or traded to another team.

Peterson would fill a need and be groomed for the next few years under Champ.

I know everyone wants a sack master or beast @ tackle for 2011, but lets face facts, their maynot be a 2011 season. Even if there is one we most likely won't be pushing for a playoff spot in 2011. We need to build for 2012 and so on.

HEAV
02-27-2011, 05:54 PM
I like colorado players staying in colorado.....sue me. And "it's about" drafting a highly rated CB in the 3rd round, when he's likely to be picked late first or second.

:kiddingme

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 07:24 PM
I know everyone wants a sack master or beast @ tackle for 2011, but lets face facts, their maynot be a 2011 season. Even if there is one we most likely won't be pushing for a playoff spot in 2011. We need to build for 2012 and so on.

Pushing back addressing the most glaring need on defense (d-line) only delays the rebuilding process more.

The time is now to address the DL. It has been neglected for far too long.

Dedhed
02-27-2011, 08:08 PM
So, how can we draft him above his value if he doesn't show up in the biggest game of his life?

I'd rather maybe use a third on Jimmy Smith if he falls that far. I don't like to see colorado stars going somewhere else. I think he is ranked in SN ahead of Peterson and Amukamara.
I'd like to know how you came to the conclusion that the Cotton Bowl was the biggest game of his life. Did he call you?

To me it's not even as important as a conference game.

Dedhed
02-27-2011, 08:09 PM
The time is now to address the DL. It has been neglected for far too long.

Every position on defense has been neglected far too long.

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 08:11 PM
Every position on defense has been neglected far too long.

Except for CB. We seem to draft 15 of those every year.

Dedhed
02-27-2011, 08:21 PM
Except for CB. We seem to draft 15 of those every year.

Shows how valuable blue chip talent is at the position.

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 08:24 PM
Shows how valuable blue chip talent is at the position.

Like Bailey, who will be capable to hold it down for another 3 years.

It doesnt get anymore blue chip than Bailey who will be an all-pro player behind a good defensive line.

KevinJames
02-27-2011, 08:32 PM
When he runs a sub 4.3 Monday we better lock it up that hes our pick.

Dudes a beast and can learn from Champ

he can start at any DB position for us

CB, SS, FS don't matter he can start

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 08:37 PM
CB, SS, FS don't matter he can start

Thats not what you want to do with a rook though. You want to put him in a position and let him learn that one position.

oubronco
02-27-2011, 08:41 PM
When he runs a sub 4.3 Monday we better lock it up that hes our pick.

Dudes a beast and can learn from Champ

he can start at any DB position for us

CB, SS, FS don't matter he can start

Demarco Murray ran a 4.3 does that mean we better take him at #2 instead

Dedhed
02-27-2011, 08:53 PM
Demarco Murray ran a 4.3 does that mean we better take him at #2 instead

Really great comparison. Top notch!

Now if Murray was a 260 pound RB who ran a 4.3 you'd be in the ballpark.

peacepipe
02-27-2011, 09:18 PM
Like Bailey, who will be capable to hold it down for another 3 years.

It doesnt get anymore blue chip than Bailey who will be an all-pro player behind a good defensive line.Bailey is an all-pro wether theres a good Dline or not.

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 09:22 PM
Bailey is an all-pro wether theres a good Dline or not.

We'll actually get to see how great the guy is if we actually see a d-line here in Denver.

tsiguy96
02-27-2011, 09:30 PM
Bailey is an all-pro wether theres a good Dline or not.

think this has been proven time and time again on this team, which is why its surprising he stayed here. but john fox i have a feeling will turn the D around.

Shananahan
02-27-2011, 09:37 PM
We'll actually get to see how great the guy is if we actually see a d-line here in Denver.
This is true, and I'm very excited that it might happen. I won't complain if we take Peterson as long as the DL is addressed in the second and third rounds, but our secondary has the experience and talent to be at the very least average with good defensive line play.

OABB
02-27-2011, 09:42 PM
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KevinJames
02-28-2011, 12:18 AM
Demarco Murray ran a 4.3 does that mean we better take him at #2 instead

he ran a 4.4 no ?

and he doesn't even compare to a guy like Patrick Peterson, if your that tall that big that athletic with great ball skills yeah your going to be a star and thats exactly what Patrick Peterson will be. We pass on him we won't be talking about passing up Ed Reed we will be talking about passing up on Patrick Peterson hes going to be that kind of player.

epicSocialism4tw
02-28-2011, 01:19 AM
he ran a 4.4 no ?

and he doesn't even compare to a guy like Patrick Peterson, if your that tall that big that athletic with great ball skills yeah your going to be a star and thats exactly what Patrick Peterson will be. We pass on him we won't be talking about passing up Ed Reed we will be talking about passing up on Patrick Peterson hes going to be that kind of player.

You really dont know what kind of player Peterson is going to be.

I read a bunch of hype on here, mainly from footsteps27, and I expected to see a perfect player. Then I looked at some video and I saw a guy who was impressive, but also had some flaws. Not just flaws that can be ironed out, but physical flaws. The guy doesnt have hip swivel. He's fast as anyone, and he accelerates very quickly. He takes good angles, and he obviously wont get pushed off the ball. But he doesnt fit a zone defense, which the Broncos will run, like he fits man coverage where he can play bump and run.

The thing that worries me is the hip swivel. Thats something that could get him moved from CB to safety, and you dont want to spend the #2 pick on a safety, especially in a draft with such excellent DL-men at the top of the draft.

broncocalijohn
02-28-2011, 02:19 AM
What kind of name is "bronco?" :sunshine:

better question is how was that never selected in 10 years of the mane?
BTW, i want to shove my trophy up your arse :yayaya:

broncogary
02-28-2011, 06:11 AM
better question is how was that never selected in 10 years of the mane?
BTW, i want to shove my trophy up your arse :yayaya:

Actually, that was the name of -Slap-'s dog, but he couldn't post because his paws were too big. :D

TheReverend
02-28-2011, 08:47 AM
You really dont know what kind of player Peterson is going to be.

I read a bunch of hype on here, mainly from footsteps27, and I expected to see a perfect player. Then I looked at some video and I saw a guy who was impressive, but also had some flaws. Not just flaws that can be ironed out, but physical flaws. The guy doesnt have hip swivel. He's fast as anyone, and he accelerates very quickly. He takes good angles, and he obviously wont get pushed off the ball. But he doesnt fit a zone defense, which the Broncos will run, like he fits man coverage where he can play bump and run.

The thing that worries me is the hip swivel. Thats something that could get him moved from CB to safety, and you dont want to spend the #2 pick on a safety, especially in a draft with such excellent DL-men at the top of the draft.

If you actually saw this...

Show me ONE instance where his hips look stiff.

Show me some poor zone plays.

In essence... Prove it.

KevinJames
02-28-2011, 01:48 PM
If you actually saw this...

Show me ONE instance where his hips look stiff.

Show me some poor zone plays.

In essence... Prove it.

He can't show you it seems hes just trying to sound like a smart scout and convince us that PP isn't elite....

We will see tomorrow if he can flip his hips or not that should expose his "hip swivel" Hilarious!

epicSocialism4tw
02-28-2011, 02:34 PM
If you actually saw this...

Show me ONE instance where his hips look stiff.

Show me some poor zone plays.

In essence... Prove it.

Okay...go watch that video at the front of this thread. Tune in to about 7:50. Peterson lines up against Maze, who takes him on a fly route. Peterson's hips arent smooth when Maze releases and Peterson misses the jam. Maze gets a step on him right there. Then when the ball approaches, Peterson doesnt transition smoothly again, looses control of his base, and commits a pass interference penalty in the resulting stumbling. Maze makes an impressive catch anyway.

Now see wide Peterson's hips and trunk are. They're so muscular that they arent as flexible as they should be. Its a simple matter of kinesiology.

I'm just pointing this out. You shouldnt take it personally. This player isnt perfect. No player is.

epicSocialism4tw
02-28-2011, 02:37 PM
He can't show you it seems hes just trying to sound like a smart scout and convince us that PP isn't elite....

We will see tomorrow if he can flip his hips or not that should expose his "hip swivel" Hilarious!

You guys are like a wierd Patrick Peterson cult.

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vancejohnson82
02-28-2011, 02:42 PM
Okay...go watch that video at the front of this thread. Tune in to about 7:50. Peterson lines up against Maze, who takes him on a fly route. Peterson's hips arent smooth when Maze releases and Peterson misses the jam. Maze gets a step on him right there. Then when the ball approaches, Peterson doesnt transition smoothly again, looses control of his base, and commits a pass interference penalty in the resulting stumbling. Maze makes an impressive catch anyway.

Now see wide Peterson's hips and trunk are. They're so muscular that they arent as flexible as they should be. Its a simple matter of kinesiology.

I'm just pointing this out. You shouldnt take it personally. This player isnt perfect. No player is.


he was about one foot away from having perfect coverage on that play

epicSocialism4tw
02-28-2011, 02:46 PM
he was about one foot away from having perfect coverage on that play

That's because he's fast as crap and he hides his poor hips with his awesome acceleration. Dude's stride is long too. He runs like a sprinter.

But in the NFL, everyone's fast.

Hips are what make or break corners in the NFL.

I can guarantee you that that kid isnt as fast as Champ Bailey. Champ has the best hips in the league to go with that speed, as well as uncanny tracking ability and great instincts.

Peterson looks like a safety to me.

TheReverend
02-28-2011, 03:56 PM
Okay...go watch that video at the front of this thread. Tune in to about 7:50. Peterson lines up against Maze, who takes him on a fly route. Peterson's hips arent smooth when Maze releases and Peterson misses the jam. Maze gets a step on him right there. Then when the ball approaches, Peterson doesnt transition smoothly again, looses control of his base, and commits a pass interference penalty in the resulting stumbling. Maze makes an impressive catch anyway.

Now see wide Peterson's hips and trunk are. They're so muscular that they arent as flexible as they should be. Its a simple matter of kinesiology.

I'm just pointing this out. You shouldnt take it personally. This player isnt perfect. No player is.

That is quite possibly the single WORST example I have ever seen. He's not going for a jam at all. He turns to run with him, and there's nothing wrong with his turn at all... Lama, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul

epicSocialism4tw
02-28-2011, 04:07 PM
That is quite possibly the single WORST example I have ever seen. He's not going for a jam at all. He turns to run with him, and there's nothing wrong with his turn at all... Lama, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul

Just keep on watching that unicorn jump over those rainbows. It will soon begin raining skittles in your world and the sun will set across the horizon of Peterson's smiling face. And you can rest peacefully knowing that Patrick Peterson is the greatest human being ever to live.

TheReverend
02-28-2011, 04:11 PM
Just keep on watching that unicorn jump over those rainbows. It will soon begin raining skittles in your world and the sun will set across the horizon of Peterson's smiling face. And you can rest peacefully knowing that Patrick Peterson is the greatest human being ever to live.

That is exactly what people are claiming. Good work.

epicSocialism4tw
02-28-2011, 04:27 PM
That is exactly what people are claiming. Good work.

Fantasy land, son. You're there.

TheReverend
02-28-2011, 04:50 PM
Fantasy land, son. You're there.

Yet you're the one that's talking about unicorns and rainbows and doling out terribly inaccurate analysis.

Go figure.

listopencil
02-28-2011, 05:58 PM
Just keep on watching that unicorn jump over those rainbows. It will soon begin raining skittles in your world and the sun will set across the horizon of Peterson's smiling face. And you can rest peacefully knowing that Patrick Peterson is the greatest human being ever to live.

Wait, there's Skittles? I wasn't told. This is bull****.

Dedhed
02-28-2011, 06:17 PM
Okay...go watch that video at the front of this thread. Tune in to about 7:50. Peterson lines up against Maze, who takes him on a fly route. Peterson's hips arent smooth when Maze releases and Peterson misses the jam. Maze gets a step on him right there. Then when the ball approaches, Peterson doesnt transition smoothly again, looses control of his base, and commits a pass interference penalty in the resulting stumbling. Maze makes an impressive catch anyway.

Now see wide Peterson's hips and trunk are. They're so muscular that they arent as flexible as they should be. Its a simple matter of kinesiology.

I'm just pointing this out. You shouldnt take it personally. This player isnt perfect. No player is.
Uh...No.

On that play Peterson is completely step for step until their feet get tangled when Peterson turns to look for the ball, like a good CB will do, after he stumbles he still has the presence to get his hands to where the ball is going, but has too much contact with Maze because he's off-balance.

footstepsfrom#27
02-28-2011, 06:24 PM
Peterson looks like a safety to me.
This just reinforces what I've always thought, that fans have no real way of evaluating these players like scouts do. Virtually every NFL scout who has looked at this guy says he's a great cornerback prospect, probably the best in 10 years, but you think he's a safety since you saw him fail to flip his hips once as you watched him. From what I've read he has no problem with that, and i'm not sure how watching a guy on TV could really give you that perspective anyway.

Cito Pelon
02-28-2011, 06:26 PM
CB Peterson perfect fit for Dallas -- if still undrafted

By Clark Judge
CBSSports.com Senior Writer
Feb. 28, 2011


INDIANAPOLIS -- If you're the Dallas Cowboys you hope nobody takes LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson before the ninth pick of the draft. The Cowboys need a cornerback, Peterson is the best one in the draft and Dallas plays in a division where it's trying to catch Philadelphia.

But good luck, guys, because you're going to need help here. Peterson is a top-five talent who can run, has the size you want at the position and can return kicks. There's a premium on people like that. Plus, there are clubs in line ahead of Dallas that could use him.

Buffalo is one of them, though the Bills probably look to shore up the league's worst run defense or find a quarterback with the third pick. Arizona is another at the fifth spot, though the Cardinals must find a quarterback. Cleveland's a possibility at six, though the Browns took a cornerback with the sixth pick a year ago and have depth at the position. San Francisco could take the plunge at seven, too, though the 49ers need a quarterback.

Basically, it's a minefield out there if the Cowboys want Peterson. It's not just that he's one of the top cornerbacks in recent drafts; it's that there's competition everywhere for his services, with Peterson falling to the ninth spot only under the most ideal of circumstances.

Patrick Peterson is primed to be the first CB selected in the draft, and his resume at LSU only backs it up. (US Presswire)
"I'm down for whatever the team," Peterson said. "Whatever decision the team or the special-teams coach or the defensive coordinator comes up with, I'm down for it. I just want to play the game of football and play the game I love."

Now that's the spirit. Peterson will have his chance and probably have it early because, as we're reminded all the time, it's a passing league -- with 12 quarterbacks last season throwing for 3,500 or more yards each and 10 producing 25 or more touchdown passes apiece.

But Green Bay won Super Bowl XLVI not only because it had the better quarterback that afternoon but because it had the better cornerbacks, too. The Packers played the second half without cornerback Charles Woodson and the third quarter without nickel back Sam Shields, yet they won because they had Tramon Williams and enough capable defensive backs to hold off Pittsburgh's pass attack.

Coaches say you can never have enough pass rushers, but you can never have enough defensive backs, either -- not when there were 96 300-yard passing performances last season.

That's especially true in Dallas, where the pass defense regularly sprung leaks and cornerback Mike Jenkins led the NFL in interference penalties. The Cowboys surrendered a league-high 33 touchdown passes and ranked last in pass plays (13) of 40 or more yards. They were 28th in pass plays of 20 or more yards (57), too, ranked 26th in overall pass defense and in one three-week period were torched for 121 points and 11 touchdown passes.

I think you get the idea. The Dallas Cowboys could use an elite cornerback, and if it's not Patrick Peterson then maybe, just maybe, it's Nebraska's Prince Amukamara. Or maybe they default to one of the outstanding defensive linemen that are available. Whatever they do, they must act to fix a secondary that was exposed far too often in a season where the Cowboys hemorrhaged 30 or more points eight times -- or half their games.

"You definitely need a solid secondary," said Peterson, "because everyone is throwing it all across the yard."

That includes Philadelphia. The Eagles went vertical in 2010, with Michael Vick's 8.1 yards per attempt the best outside of Philip Rivers (8.7), Aaron Rodgers (8.3) and Ben Roethlisberger (8.2). Rodgers and Roethlisberger were the Super Bowl quarterbacks; Vick quarterbacked the NFC East champions. If you want to get to the top you must defend the pass.

That's why Dallas better hope that somehow, some way, Patrick Peterson lasts until the ninth pick. I don't see it happening, either, but then I didn't see Darrius Heyward-Bey as the seventh choice of the 2009 draft or Tyson Alualu as the 10th pick last year.

Peterson is a must-have for a defense in search of an impact player because he is, as he put it, "an all-around cornerback." He defends the pass. He defends the run. He is effective in 'man' coverage. He can close in zone. He's a reliable open-field tackler. He is fast. He is fluid. He is quick. Plus, he played big-time competition in the SEC, allowing one touchdown pass last season (to Alabama's Julio Jones).

"He is a guy who can do a lot of things for you," Denver executive VP John Elway said. "Athletically, he is as good as anyone in the draft."
Peterson said he'd like to "be in play" for the first pick, and who wouldn't with the millions of dollars teams invest in the No. 1 choice? But history is against him. No cornerback in NFL history has gone higher than the third pick, so Peterson probably is out of play at the first position.

But he's probably out of play at the ninth one, too, and, sorry, Dallas fans. Your team could use him. For that matter, everyone could

epicSocialism4tw
02-28-2011, 08:38 PM
This just reinforces what I've always thought, that fans have no real way of evaluating these players like scouts do. Virtually every NFL scout who has looked at this guy says he's a great cornerback prospect, probably the best in 10 years, but you think he's a safety since you saw him fail to flip his hips once as you watched him. From what I've read he has no problem with that, and i'm not sure how watching a guy on TV could really give you that perspective anyway.

Everyone has an opinion. I'm not paid for mine, so its about worth what I get paid for it.

He looks to me like a safety. Too rigid. Dude's fast as anybody and accelerates well. He's a good tackler too. He takes good angles and has a feel for player movement.

We'll see what becomes of him.

underrated29
02-28-2011, 09:05 PM
He is NOT the best CB in the last 10 years. I do not know why that keeps getting thrown around.


Epic also has a point, when I first saw him, i thought he would start at Saftey for some team then get moved to CB...Still possible. He is still a freaking stud, but he not as good at Man to man as Prince Amakumara. He is better at press, and zone. Still awesome at man to man, but Prince is better. Not the best in 10 years.


Anyone catch his .40 time? I missed it.

BroncoSojia
02-28-2011, 09:05 PM
Is #2 too high to take him if we wanted to play him at FS?

I read somewhere that he said he'd play S if a NFL team wanted him to.

I personally wouldn't mind us taking him to play FS since we have a huge need at that spot.

HAT
03-01-2011, 01:32 AM
Actually, that was the name of -Slap-'s dog, but he couldn't post because his paws were too big. :D

That never stopped Beezer!

HEAV
03-01-2011, 01:38 AM
“He is a great athlete and not only as a [defensive] player, but as a returner. He is special as a returner. He is a guy that can do a lot of different things for you. Athletically, he is as good as anybody in the draft. He can run and he has good size for a corner -- he is 205, 210 pounds. He has good size and is a guy that can make some big plays. I think especially at the cornerback position, you like those guys that can make those plays, because those are game-changers.” -- Broncos vice president John Elway

montrose
03-01-2011, 07:19 AM
I love the idea of getting the best player in the draft - which some believe Patrick Peterson to be. Med did have an interesting post though that makes me question the pick...

The writing for Peterson not being DEN's pick came as soon as DEN announced they were going to be tied to Fox as a HC. Fox is a heavy Zone guy wherever he has been with either front. He has never been a predominantly press man coverage scheme in the NFL. Whether it was PIT, Oak, NYG, or CAR he ran a heavy zone coverage scheme. Mostly a cover 2/3 roll depending on strength of the formation. He plays a very aggressive front with base zone coverage most of the time.

How the hell do you draft a CB that high to play zone coverage? It only makes sense if he can truly be allowed to play press man most of the time or he loses a tremendous amount of value schematically. Scheme's are always set up front to back with Run responsibilities the first step, then coverage. The coverage sets up the run fits and in heavy zone the CB's are routinely asked to come up and play the run, not press at the LOS. So, you are already asking Peterson to play away from his 2 greatest strengths in coverage. You are asking him to play off and not press, and you are asking him to be patient in zone coverage and not be aggressive in man.

Champ has never been a press CB. He is best in off coverage and has the best hip/flip movement In the NFL. He is so smooth transitioning zones and reading routes that he can literally cover 2 zones with his experience and anticipation of route combinations. Peterson is OK in zone, but it is not his strength. In fact, he loses interest playing zone and that is where he took off plays in college. Signing Champ makes sense becasue he is a prototypical Zone CB who can also play an effective off man coverage as a change up. Drafting Peterson makes less sense since he is a press Bail/man CB who likes to be physical with WR's.

Finally, there are more and more analysts who are not grading Peterson as the top player in the draft. Nolan Nawrocki has Peterson behind Bowers and Green, and just Slightly ahead of Miller, Dareus, and Fairley. He does have flaws just like all players do. He is not a concensus BPA, especially for a ZONE heavy defensive team. He can be beaten and he struggled mightily in his bowl game against a Pro Offense from Mike Sherman that took him out of his game. Is he the best CB prospect to come out since Charles Woodson, probably. I can not recall another guy being so skilled. However, to me it is all about the mental side for him. He was so dominant in college Physically, he was able to get away with freelancing. I really wonder how he handles getting beat at the pro level. Does he have the mentality to let it go or is he going to let it affect him. No one questions the talent, its the application of the talent in a diverse scheme that worries me.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3122877&postcount=46

TheReverend
03-01-2011, 07:27 AM
I love the idea of getting the best player in the draft - which some believe Patrick Peterson to be. Med did have an interesting post though that makes me question the pick...



http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3122877&postcount=46

With all due respect to my good friend Med, and his quality eye for DBs, he's very wrong.

1. We're not aware of what the defensive scheme is truly going to be! Fox has a penchant for zone, but Allen comes from a mix of zone and a LOT of man under 2 deep looks.

2. Let's say it IS a dominantly zone defense... why resign Champ? Easy. Zone provides more opportunity for picks. It's significantly easier to take the ball away when you're reading the QB first (receiver 2nd) and your responsibility is riding the player to the edge of the zone and breaking on the ball.

3. Peterson has excelled in zone coverages and with the ball in his hands. Is he great at playing press? Yes. Is he great when he doesn't jam the receiver? Yes. Still it IS a strength, but are Fox and Allen too stupid to incorporate a way to allow him to jam players in a zone? Ridiculous.

cutthemdown
03-01-2011, 02:03 PM
wow Peterson ran a 4.34. I want him!! He's to special to pass up if Panthers don't select him. Has a DB ever went first in the draft?

Chris
03-01-2011, 02:08 PM
Apparently both the Rev and Epic fantasise about unicorns, rainbows and football players. Skittles are noticeably absent.

underrated29
03-01-2011, 02:08 PM
wow Peterson ran a 4.34. I want him!! He's to special to pass up if Panthers don't select him. Has a DB ever went first in the draft?



I think Springs was the earliest ever at 3. I do not think anyone will be breaking that record this year.

schaaf
03-01-2011, 02:12 PM
My choices...

1. Peterson
2. Miller
3. Dareus

Mountain Bronco
03-01-2011, 04:02 PM
When he runs a 4.5 do we still want him?

4.34'd

Dedhed
03-01-2011, 04:40 PM
When he runs a 4.5 do we still want him?

I guess we'll never know. Sigh..

KevinJames
03-01-2011, 06:00 PM
“I thought he looked really good in the drills,” NFL Network’s Mike Mayock said. “Is he a little taller? Yeah, he is, but he unlocks his hips, he runs, great ball skills as befits a guy who returns punts and kickoffs. To me, he’s a lock-down, Top 10 pick.”

but but but I thought he had tight hips........Hilarious!

epicSocialism4tw
03-01-2011, 06:11 PM
but but but I thought he had tight hips........Hilarious!

He didnt say that he had good hips, he said that he "unlocks" them.

A little overeager there, beaver.

cutthemdown
03-01-2011, 06:16 PM
you have to be an athlete to play man to man, but really zone is tougher and used way more in the NFL. Peterson a stud at CB or FS. You could play him all over the back end. He may get more turnovers at safety then you can even imagine.

He's so fast. With Bailey on one side he would basically be the 2nd guy over or lock down any TE etc etc. It would be hard to attack the other corner deep with someone with Peterson speed out there.

I think he is a freak and even if he plays FS he's worth a look. Still I guess the dlineman make more impact where we need it. Even though outside of Bailey we dont have any special dbacks at CB or safety.

cutthemdown
03-01-2011, 06:17 PM
Peterson will be great at corner against all the quick screen people throwing. He will lock that **** down and put player like Brandon Marshall on the turf 1-1. Hes big, faster then all of them. I think he would really be a special player for us.

TheReverend
03-02-2011, 08:10 AM
He didnt say that he had good hips, he said that he "unlocks" them.

A little overeager there, beaver.

:rofl:

Okay, now I know you're just extremely stupid.

misturanderson
03-02-2011, 11:01 AM
:rofl:

Okay, now I know you're just extremely stupid.

It took you this long to figure that out?

epicSocialism4tw
03-02-2011, 12:55 PM
Okay, now I know you're just extremely stupid.

I'd hate to shatter your illusion, but it must be done sooner or later. May as well get used to it now.

peacepipe
03-04-2011, 10:58 AM
watching NFL network:around the league & they're saying that patrick peterson is the best player in the draft & may be the first CB to ever be taken #1.

TheReverend
03-04-2011, 11:01 AM
watching NFL network:around the league & they're saying that patrick peterson is the best player in the draft & may be the first CB to ever be taken #1.

By a large margin.

DrFate
03-04-2011, 01:16 PM
Taking Peterson is a low risk/high reward move.

Taking a one year wonder like Fairley is a high risk move. Real high.

Too high for a 4 win team that needs a player at #2. Take Peterson, pencil him into the Pro Bowl for 10 years, and take a DL in the 2nd

and 3rd

and 4th

ROFL!

Dedhed
03-04-2011, 10:03 PM
they're saying that patrick peterson is the best player in the draft & may be the first CB to ever be taken #1.
Why would anyone take the BPA when there are so many DL available.
/sarcasm

peacepipe
03-04-2011, 10:57 PM
sad as it is to say peterson will likely be gone by our pick. especially since we have the #2 pick.

Dedhed
03-04-2011, 11:05 PM
sad as it is to say peterson will likely be gone by our pick. especially since we have the #2 pick.

I really hope he's not gone.

epicSocialism4tw
03-04-2011, 11:12 PM
I really hope he's not gone.

Carolina fans would revolt like those moron union thugs in Wisconsin if Peterson was drafted for them.

Dedhed
03-04-2011, 11:23 PM
Carolina fans would revolt like those moron union thugs in Wisconsin if Peterson was drafted for them.Thanks for bringing moron politics into the discussion.

epicSocialism4tw
03-04-2011, 11:25 PM
Thanks for bringing moron politics into the discussion.

I couldnt think of a more obvious example of stupid people acting stupid. I thought it made the point. ;)

OABB
03-04-2011, 11:26 PM
Carolina fans would revolt like those moron union thugs in Wisconsin if Peterson was drafted for them.

great point!

...if your point was showing an example of how douchers inject non sequiters into an argument to push an agenda..

epicSocialism4tw
03-04-2011, 11:27 PM
great point!

...if your point was showing an example of how douchers inject non sequiters into an argument to push an agenda..

Sweet, bro!

Thanks!

^5

OABB
03-04-2011, 11:30 PM
Sweet, bro!

Thanks!

^5

No problem brother! Nice work.

epicSocialism4tw
03-04-2011, 11:31 PM
No problem brother! Nice work.

Solidarity.

That's what I'm talking about. :strong:

Pass the cheese fries.

OABB
03-04-2011, 11:34 PM
Solidarity.

That's what I'm talking about. :strong:

Pass the cheese fries.

I'll pass them right onto your face brosef! Winning.

epicSocialism4tw
03-04-2011, 11:36 PM
I'll pass them right onto your face brosef! Winning.

Sweet. That's my boy.

schaaf
03-05-2011, 12:53 AM
What Would Reagan Do

Play2win
03-05-2011, 02:02 AM
High risk move.... not drafting D-Line early and often.

footstepsfrom#27
03-05-2011, 03:37 AM
High risk move.... not drafting D-Line early and often.
Check it out:

#2- Patrick Peterson
#36- Marvin Austin
#46- Phil Taylor

:strong:

Karenin
03-05-2011, 06:24 AM
The fact that the best player in the draft is probably going to slip to #3 is nothing more than an indictment of the ineptitude of Carolina and Denver's front offices.

elsid13
03-05-2011, 07:11 AM
Check it out:

#2- Patrick Peterson
#36- Marvin Austin
#46- Phil Taylor

:strong:

Taylor is going to sneak into the late first or early second. Austin is nut case according to all the rumors out there. The only one that is possible on that list is Peterson, who is worth the #2 pick.

OABB
03-05-2011, 08:02 AM
What Would Reagan Do

Put the country in record debt, make a deal with the Iranians to keep our hostages until elected, destroy the middle class, salethe country to japan, take credit for ending the cold war when it was gorbechev, lie to people about voodoo economics, increase inflation, make crooked millionaires billionaires?

Beantown Bronco
03-05-2011, 08:31 AM
High risk move.... not drafting D-Line early and often.

Actually, NFL history has proven that drafting D-Line early is the true high-risk move.

Dedhed
03-05-2011, 11:14 AM
I couldnt think of a more obvious example of stupid people acting stupid. I thought it made the point. ;)

You couldn't think of one, but you managed to enact one. You made a point alright, just not at all how you intended.

Dedhed
03-05-2011, 11:20 AM
Actually, NFL history has proven that drafting D-Line early is the true high-risk move.

Exactly.

peacepipe
03-05-2011, 11:50 AM
The fact that the best player in the draft is probably going to slip to #3 is nothing more than an indictment of the ineptitude of Carolina and Denver's front offices.that would hit a nerve with me,but I'll have faith that if peterson doesn't go #1,he'll go #2 to us.

Dedhed
03-05-2011, 11:52 AM
Check it out:

#2- Patrick Peterson
#36- Marvin Austin
#46- Phil Taylor

:strong:I hate Austin, I think he plays soft and consistently underachieves, but I'm there on Peterson and Taylor.

#2-Patrick Peterson
#36-Phil Taylor
#46-Jurrell Casey
#67-Quan Sturdivant

epicSocialism4tw
03-05-2011, 11:55 AM
You couldn't think of one, but you managed to enact one. You made a point alright, just not at all how you intended.

Aw...you need some salve for your sore bottom.

Dedhed
03-05-2011, 12:59 PM
Aw...you need some salve for your sore bottom.

Good comeback.

epicSocialism4tw
03-05-2011, 01:18 PM
Good comeback.

http://www.cuckooforcoupondeals.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/butt-paste.jpg

KevinJames
03-05-2011, 05:45 PM
heres the perfect defensive mock draft if they can fall to us.

2 Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
36 Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State
46 Martez Wilson, ILB, Illinois
67 Allen Bailey, DL, Miami
184 Rick Elmore, DE, Arizona

primetime714
03-05-2011, 07:35 PM
heres the perfect defensive mock draft if they can fall to us.

2 Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
36 Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State
46 Martez Wilson, ILB, Illinois
67 Allen Bailey, DL, Miami
184 Rick Elmore, DE, Arizona

That would be an ideal draft. I really like all of those guys. I could not think of a much better draft.

As for Peterson I know a lot of people want DL, but the Broncos can't afford to miss on this pick and DL carries a much higher risk. People keep looking for flaws in Peterson, but he has very few. Every DL prospect has much more noticeable flaws/risk factors.

tsiguy96
03-05-2011, 07:48 PM
That would be an ideal draft. I really like all of those guys. I could not think of a much better draft.

As for Peterson I know a lot of people want DL, but the Broncos can't afford to miss on this pick and DL carries a much higher risk. People keep looking for flaws in Peterson, but he has very few. Every DL prospect has much more noticeable flaws/risk factors.

as far as prospect, its hard to say peterson isnt better. but to NOT take a DL high in first just because they have high bust potential is silly. you need to invest in it eventually, or you look like the 2000-2010 broncos. shanahan didnt invest a 1st or 2nd round pick in a true DT once in that time frame, per andrew mason.

peacepipe
03-05-2011, 07:57 PM
as far as prospect, its hard to say peterson isnt better. but to NOT take a DL high in first just because they have high bust potential is silly. you need to invest in it eventually, or you look like the 2000-2010 broncos. shanahan didnt invest a 1st or 2nd round pick in a true DT once in that time frame, per andrew mason.

we have 2 2nd round picks to get DL. taking a DL at #2 for the sake of it would be silly. you can get a just as effective DL in the 2nd.

GoBroncos84
03-05-2011, 08:07 PM
Put the country in record debt, make a deal with the Iranians to keep our hostages until elected, destroy the middle class, salethe country to japan, take credit for ending the cold war when it was gorbechev, lie to people about voodoo economics, increase inflation, make crooked millionaires billionaires?

I was about to post a similar response. Well done

OABB
03-05-2011, 09:38 PM
I was about to post a similar response. Well done

I'm just tired of people pretending that he was good because he wore a cowboy hat and said cool things. As Charlie sheen would say, the scoreboard doesn't lie. He was a terrible president by every measurable standard unless you were a coked out yuppie on wall street or made out during the savings and loan scandal.

epicSocialism4tw
03-05-2011, 09:46 PM
I'm just tired of people pretending that he was good because he wore a cowboy hat and said cool things. As Charlie sheen would say, the scoreboard doesn't lie. He was a terrible president by every measurable standard unless you were a coked out yuppie on wall street or made out during the savings and loan scandal.

He was a great president because he accomplished an awful lot of great things and left the nation better off than it was when he set foot in office.

The man won a war with a superpower without firing a shot, and made Gorbachev an ally in the process.

With the pathetic presidencies we have seen since Reagan, it seems that his accomplishments are downright impossible.

Dedhed
03-05-2011, 10:03 PM
That would be an ideal draft. I really like all of those guys. I could not think of a much better draft.

As for Peterson I know a lot of people want DL, but the Broncos can't afford to miss on this pick and DL carries a much higher risk. People keep looking for flaws in Peterson, but he has very few. Every DL prospect has much more noticeable flaws/risk factors.

It doesn't need to be that complicated. Peterson is the best prospect in the draft.

OABB
03-05-2011, 10:08 PM
He was a great president because he accomplished an awful lot of great things and left the nation better off than it was when he set foot in office.

The man won a war with a superpower without firing a shot, and made Gorbachev an ally in the process.

With the pathetic presidencies we have seen since Reagan, it seems that his accomplishments are downright impossible.

How was the country better exactly? And by country I mean most americans, niot the top one percent.

epicSocialism4tw
03-05-2011, 10:13 PM
How was the country better exactly? And by country I mean most americans, niot the top one percent.

Were you alive in the 1990's?

OABB
03-05-2011, 10:30 PM
Were you alive in the 1990's?

You mean when Clinton was president and the huge debt Reagan accumulated was turned into a surplus?

epicSocialism4tw
03-05-2011, 10:34 PM
You mean when Clinton was president and the huge debt Reagan accumulated was turned into a surplus?

Lets see...Dedhead keeps neg-repping me because you guys cant handle a Reagan avatar...you should continue this in the politics forum.

But yes, Clinton enjoyed the fruit of Reaganomics...no doubt.

See you in the politics forum.

OABB
03-05-2011, 10:41 PM
Lets see...Dedhead keeps neg-repping me because you guys cant handle a Reagan avatar...you should continue this in the politics forum.

But yes, Clinton enjoyed the fruit of Reaganomics...no doubt.

See you in the politics forum.

Do you need salve for your bottom?

Run along and hide.

Clinton benefitted from raising taxes on the wealthy. That is the opposite of voodoo economics.

I hope this ass kicking taught you not to just regurgitate what daddy told you. I hope i have encouraged you to at least make up your own mind and look at facts.

If you still want to idolize him, be my guest. But you owe it to yourself to at least understand why. Because I sure don't.

epicSocialism4tw
03-05-2011, 10:44 PM
Do you need salve for your bottom?

Run along and hide.

Clinton benefitted from raising taxes on the wealthy. That is the opposite of voodoo economics.

I hope this ass kicking taught you not to just regurgitate what daddy told you. I hope i have encouraged you to at least make up your own mind and look at facts.

If you still want to idolize him, be my guest. But you owe it to yourself to at least understand why. Because I sure don't.

Ha!

Right.

Carry on.

Deadhead, I tried. Be sure to neg-rep this fellow. ;)

primetime714
03-05-2011, 10:44 PM
It doesn't need to be that complicated. Peterson is the best prospect in the draft.

Correct. Although personally I'm hoping for a trade down ideally with Cincy or Arizona who could want a QB and may want to jump in front of Buffalo.

We could trade back a few spots and still get Peterson or at least one of the DL. Given how many needs this team has that would be the ideal scenario.

OABB
03-05-2011, 10:49 PM
Ha!

Right.

Carry on.

Deadhead, I tried. Be sure to neg-rep this fellow. ;)

Ok. Pm me than how Clinton benefitted from reagonomics. Please!

Actually just show me anytime anywhere we as a country benefitted. And again leave out the top one percent and the Japanese.

OABB
03-05-2011, 11:07 PM
Maybe you don't know how pming works? Just click on my name and than click on send a private message.

epicSocialism4tw
03-05-2011, 11:10 PM
Maybe you don't know how pming works? Just click on my name and than click on send a private message.

I'm going do deuce-ify my water closet and get back to work. But we can continue this lovely discourse and all of its pleasantries in the WRAP forum in the near future.

OABB
03-05-2011, 11:20 PM
I'm going do deuce-ify my water closet and get back to work. But we can continue this lovely discourse and all of its pleasantries in the WRAP forum in the near future.

No. That place is for loons and people that would rather shout from a soap box than have an adult conversation. Just pm me. We will keep it privat. You don't have to worry about being wrong because I won't rub it in. And even if I did, only you and I would know.

Come on, don't be shy.

OABB
03-05-2011, 11:47 PM
Crickets chirping. That's all im hearing. Please don't hide away. Just pm me. Tell me how Clinton benefitted from Reagan and how the economy is bad now because Obama. Explain that Pattern please.

I mean it's not like your bias is picking and choosing an agenda. I mean you have reasons for this theory, no?




It's just a pm.


answer the question Claire!

HAT
03-06-2011, 12:12 AM
Tell me how Clinton benefitted from Reagan

I'm not very political but it seems to me that:

Reagan was responsible for the fall of the Soviet Union and the Cold War was over when Clinton took office.

WTF else did Clinton have to do but focus on the economy and domestic policy?

Bosnia, Somalia, Kosovo? Minor hiccups when compared to what Reagan accomplished on the global front. So what if he had to mortgage our short term economic future by 'winning' the arms race?

That just made it look easy for a guy like Clinton to 'fix' the economy. That 'Huge debt turned into a surplus' that you speak of was child's play as a singular Superpower....Just slash and burn military spending.

Just my .02 as someone who rarely cares about or comments on politics.

OABB
03-06-2011, 12:21 AM
I'm not very political but it seems to me that:

Reagan was responsible for the fall of the Soviet Union and the Cold War was over when Clinton took office.

WTF else did Clinton have to do but focus on the economy and domestic policy?

Bosnia, Somalia, Kosovo? Minor hiccups when compared to what Reagan accomplished on the global front. So what if he had to mortgage our short term economic future by 'winning' the arms race?

That just made it look easy for a guy like Clinton to 'fix' the economy. That 'Huge debt turned into a surplus' that you speak of was child's play as a singular Superpower....Just slash and burn military spending.

Just my .02 as someone who rarely cares about or comments on politics.


Communism, like reagonomics is a failure. Only gorby saw where it was going and made reform. He was the man that changed the soviet union. Reagan shooting a cap gun in the air did not change this.

I think Reagan had his moments, and I am not going to say he didn't. But being in the right place at the right time isn't enough to overcome the major financial windfall and criminal abuse of our economy that he engineered.

It was a lie to help the wealthiest one percent. That's what reagonomics is about. This country is so much more than what the rich, and the lobbyists want.

It's about all of us. We shouldn't have to pay the interest on the national credit card so that the people gouging us can get off Scott free.

Taxed enough allready? Try paying off the largest debt in modern history while dealing with inflation, the wealth divide and unemployment.

The president should make the union strong. Not just his friends.

Dedhed
03-06-2011, 07:49 AM
Lets see...Dedhead keeps neg-repping me because you guys cant handle a Reagan avatar...you should continue this in the politics forum.

I'm neg repping you for turning a football thread into a personal little Reagan soapbox. You started the whiny little politics BS in this thread, so don't pretend it's someone else's fault.

OABB
03-06-2011, 09:47 AM
I'm sorry for derailling. I just couldn't hold the anger back. Looking at that raisiney, crusty face and seeing bring back honor and truth next to it I can't help myself.


And also letting someone say something soooo wrong and stupid like Clinton benifitted from reaganomics is a sore spot for me because repubs continually ruin the economy and blame the next president for it like what's happening to Obama now. If the dem is successful they take credit for it.

It's all right there and it is fact that Reagan was a terrible president by every measurable standard. His policies have a lot to do with our problems today.

Epicsocialism Pussed out too, and he should get made fun of saying something so stupid.

I want dareus at 2 the most and than I want Peterson. One of those two or bust...


Thread back on.

tsiguy96
03-06-2011, 09:55 AM
we have 2 2nd round picks to get DL. taking a DL at #2 for the sake of it would be silly. you can get a just as effective DL in the 2nd.

i dont think there is any stat or figure that supports that, at all.

BMarsh615
03-10-2011, 01:05 PM
First I've heard of them meeting with Peterson....

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/14795363

Denver's three-man front-office contingent of executive VP John Elway, coach John Fox and GM Brian Xanders not only attended Pro Days at Auburn and Alabama over the last two days but snuck in a trip to Boca Raton, FL, for an in-person chat with top CB prospect Patrick Peterson. Peterson's hometown is in nearby Pompano Beach, FL.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/14795367

Denver's in-person chat with LSU CB Patrick Peterson in Boca Raton, FL, went well and means the team this week will have spoken to arguably its four most legitimate targets for the No. 2 overall pick. The Broncos also met with Auburn DT Nick Fairley and Alabama DT Marcell Dareus on the trip. The team is attending LB Von Miller's pro day today at Texas A&M.

tsiguy96
03-10-2011, 01:09 PM
damn i live in boca, gauranteed they stopped at my school, where peterson has been training.