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Bronco Yoda
02-24-2011, 07:27 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2011-02-24-nasa-shuttle_N.htm?csp=34news

Discovery will head to the International Space Station with a crew of six, as well as a load of supplies and a humanoid robot.

This will be the 39th flight for Discovery. It first blasted off in 1984, and has since logged 143 million miles (230 million kilometers) .

Lots of historic memories. I believe this shuttle has been up the most but I could be wrong.

Discovery Firsts
first Female shuttle Pilot,first African-American Spaccewalker,First Sitting memeber of Congres in Space. (Maybe we should have given more of them a one way ticket :))

It's a shame we don't have anything to replace it with.

Bronco Yoda
02-24-2011, 07:31 AM
One last time for the old girl...

http://www.topnews.in/files/Space_Shuttle_1.jpg

Bronco Yoda
02-24-2011, 07:32 AM
Forecast Stands at 90 percent "Go"
Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:08:37 AM MST

Meteorologists expect fine weather this afternoon for the launch of space shuttle Discovery. The forecast calls for a 90 percent chance of acceptable conditions at launch time, 4:50 p.m. EST. The shuttle stands on Launch Pad 39A at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida where the launch team is working methodically through the launch day checklists.

Fast fill of the external fuel tank began at 8:15 a.m. with the liquid oxygen and one minute later for the liquid hydrogen. The propellants are used by the shuttle's three main engines during the launch into orbit. The fueling process is expected to be finished at about 10:25 a.m. From there, propellants will be trickled into the tank to replace the portion of the chemicals that evaporate during the countdown.

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/153212main_billi-rss-430.jpg
Image above: At NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida, space shuttle Discovery is seen shortly after the rotating service structure was rolled back at Launch Pad 39A. Image credit: NASA/Bill Ingalls

Image above: At NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida, space shuttle Discovery is seen shortly after the rotating service structure was rolled back at Launch Pad 39A. Image credit: NASA/Bill Ingalls

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/519336main_sts133-s-002_425x333.jpg


Image above: Pictured are NASA astronauts Steve Lindsey (center right) and Eric Boe (center left), commander and pilot, respectively; along with astronauts (from the left) Alvin Drew, Nicole Stott, Michael Barratt and Steve Bowen, all mission specialists. Photo credit: NASA

The STS-133 crew members are Commander Steven Lindsey, Pilot Eric Boe and Mission Specialists Alvin Drew, Michael Barratt, Steve Bowen and Nicole Stott. Bowen replaced astronaut Tim Kopra, who was injured in a bicycle accident in January.

Discovery will deliver and install the Permanent Multipurpose Module, the Express Logistics Carrier 4 and provide critical spare components to the International Space Station. This will be the 35th shuttle mission to the station.

bowtown
02-24-2011, 07:36 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2011-02-24-nasa-shuttle_N.htm?csp=34news

Discovery will head to the International Space Station with a crew of six, as well as a load of supplies and a humanoid robot.

This will be the 39th flight for Discovery. It first blasted off in 1984, and has since logged 143 million miles (230 million kilometers) .

Discovery Firsts
first Female shuttle Pilot,first African-American Spaccewalker,First Sitting
emeber of Congres in Space. (Maybe we should have given more of them a one way ticket :))

It's a shame we don't have anything to replace it with.

Def going to crash.

Beantown Bronco
02-24-2011, 08:09 AM
How on Earth have we not moved on to anything significantly more advanced by now? These things are a real relic.

Smiling Assassin27
02-24-2011, 08:27 AM
Farewell, Discovery, and we thank you.

Kaylore
02-24-2011, 08:49 AM
Very cool. My Father in law got to see a shuttle launch last year. Not sure what the plan will be once the shuttles are retired...

PRBronco
02-24-2011, 09:05 AM
Well I know what song will be in my head all day now!

alkemical
02-24-2011, 09:09 AM
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/default.aspx

you can watch it here on my friend's TV station.

bronco militia
02-24-2011, 09:10 AM
I saw Columbia launch and return in March 2002. It was it's last successful mission :(.

To add, the end of the shuttle program is probably going to be devastating for the Space Coast and the rest of that region.

dbfan21
02-24-2011, 09:33 AM
I saw Columbia launch and return in March 2002. It was it's last successful mission :(.

To add, the end of the shuttle program is probably going to be devastating for the Space Coast and the rest of that region.

As a Space Coast resident, I can attest to this. I have a lot of friends that have already lost their job at KSC/NASA. They are among 8,000 employees that are or will be jettisoned from their positions at Cape Canaveral. Very sad for them and our local economy.

bronco militia
02-24-2011, 09:56 AM
As a Space Coast resident, I can attest to this. I have a lot of friends that have already lost their job at KSC/NASA. They are among 8,000 employees that are or will be jettisoned from their positions at Cape Canaveral. Very sad for them and our local economy.

that sucks....the company I work for used to have an office on Satellite Beach..

Tombstone RJ
02-24-2011, 10:28 AM
The shuttle program was only supposed to last for like 20 years max (not even that long I think) yet here we are in 2011 with a platform designed in the friggen 1970's. Sad, sad, sad.

Hopefully all come back home safe. Hopefully NASA gets it's friggen act together and figures out a way to put humans in space safely, and on a new platform with the latest technology... but I wouldn't count on it...

alkemical
02-24-2011, 10:30 AM
The shuttle program was only supposed to last for like 20 years max (not even that long I think) yet here we are in 2011 with a platform designed in the friggen 1970's. Sad, sad, sad.

Hopefully all come back home safe. Hopefully NASA gets it's friggen act together and figures out a way to put humans in space safely, and on a new platform with the latest technology... but I wouldn't count on it...

That's why we need aliens.

srphoenix
02-24-2011, 10:30 AM
On vacation in florida for the week so were going to go see it. Will be my first shuttle launch, unfortunately it'll be discovery's last. Glad ill get to see her final trip.

Tombstone RJ
02-24-2011, 10:38 AM
The fed gov always finds a way to screw things up, NASA is no exception. The shuttle should have been phased out in the 1990s because the program itself was cost prohibitive, that is, it cost too much money to run the program. Add to that the fact that the shuttles were breaking down with each launch, the safety of the program started to slide as well. But, in classic government buearocratical chaos, NASA keeps the shuttle program going but cannot afford to design a newer, better platform. Again, the irony of our government. It costs too much to run the shuttle program, but we don't have the money to develop a new program...wtf?

It's all a big joke anyway.

OBF1
02-24-2011, 10:39 AM
Nothing like seeing a shuttle take off, pictures or TV do her no justice. God speed to her crew.

Broncochica
02-24-2011, 11:20 AM
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/default.aspx

you can watch it here on my friend's TV station.

Thanks Clavi I hope the link works, I don't have the nasa channel :(

alkemical
02-24-2011, 11:21 AM
Thanks Clavi I hope the link works, I don't have the nasa channel :(

As long as the engineer did his stuff right, it should.

Broncochica
02-24-2011, 11:24 AM
As long as the engineer did his stuff right, it should.

Good deal! God bless our astronauts & their mission! :thumbsup:

Bronco Yoda
02-24-2011, 12:27 PM
IMO the coolest pickup truck ever made.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/sci_nat_enl_1162323058/img/1.jpg

broncosteven
02-24-2011, 12:52 PM
The shuttle program was only supposed to last for like 20 years max (not even that long I think) yet here we are in 2011 with a platform designed in the friggen 1970's. Sad, sad, sad.

Hopefully all come back home safe. Hopefully NASA gets it's friggen act together and figures out a way to put humans in space safely, and on a new platform with the latest technology... but I wouldn't count on it...

Actually if you count the DynaSoar program the Air Force started designs for the shuttle started back in 1957.

FIFTY-FOUR FREAKING YEARS AGO!

Your right about it not being intended to be in production this long. There were replacements in design phase as early as 1972 but Nixon began cutting NASA's budget and presidents and Congress kept delaying the funding for replacement vehicles. It was almost like Presidents in their last years (Regan, W Bush) would start funding research for a new vehicle platform in their lame duck years only to have the new incoming pres cut it.

W had at least started talking about going back to the moon and possibly Mars but I think it was all just to have support for people in his home state when he got back there.

I always thought the Shuttle was flawed, and alot of that points to the Air Forces requirements.

The real sad thing is that as far as Super sonic travel and space flight have gone in the last 40 years every thing has taken 2 steps backwards. in 1970 we were primed to explore our solar system and develop other means of getting to Earth orbit a la the X-15 but lack of funding and the greed of big business has crippled the need for Americans to discover.

We are happy to be involved in conflicts with no resolution keeping both the terrorists busy, as well as keeping the cash flowing to our defense budgets.

At least we got the IntERnets...wait that was developed in the late 1960's as ARPANET also!!!! Maybe we haven't really done anything in the past 40 years besides find ways to build pyramid schemes and toxic loans after all.

TailgateNut
02-24-2011, 12:57 PM
As a Space Coast resident, I can attest to this. I have a lot of friends that have already lost their job at KSC/NASA. They are among 8,000 employees that are or will be jettisoned from their positions at Cape Canaveral. Very sad for them and our local economy.

'bout time we stop slinging Gazillions of $ into space.

broncosteven
02-24-2011, 01:03 PM
'bout time we stop slinging Gazillions of $ into space.

Yep, it should be slung into endless pit that is Afganistan or lining some Wall st. fat cat's pocket.

When all those who were employed by NASA or it's contractors are out of jobs and in line for unemployment that is really going to help the deficit and end the recession right?

Beantown Bronco
02-24-2011, 01:29 PM
This has to be the first time I've ever read "lack of funding" and NASA in the same sentence.

Broncochica
02-24-2011, 02:13 PM
For anybody who would like to watch the launch live it's on NASA.com, I'm so excited! !Booya!

OBF1
02-24-2011, 02:25 PM
'bout time we stop slinging Gazillions of $ into space.

I hate to say it, But your head is up your ass. The everyday benefits in use today in the public sector are huge. Just a few of the things we now have today, directly tied to the space program are:

1) A NASA developed chemical process was responsible for the development of kidney dialysis machines.

2) The need to find imperfections in aerospace structures and components, such as castings, rocket motors and nozzles led to the development of a medical CAT scanner which searches the human body for tumors or other abnormalities.

3) Astronaut health has always been a concern. Weightless conditions could cause physical deterioration, so a cardiovascular conditioner was developed for astronauts in space. This led to the development of a physical therapy and athletic development machine used by football teams, sports clinics and medical rehabilitation centers. Also the Tempur material from the seat padding is now used inside of football helmets.

Other's include: GPS, Cell Phones, Satellite Dish for TV, Fire Fighter Equipment, Smoke detectors, CORDLESS POWER TOOLS, ski boot technology.

If you call this a waste of "Gazillions" of dollars, I sure in the hell have no idea on what you would consider worthwhile. Half of the technology we have today for personal use is directly tied to your waste of gazillions

OBF1
02-24-2011, 02:25 PM
It is also on my big screen on the NASA channel :)

Broncochica
02-24-2011, 02:29 PM
It is also on my big screen on the NASA channel :)

Are you watching the cooling mist coming out from the boosters? 8')

Broncochica
02-24-2011, 02:34 PM
9 MINUTES AND 15 SECONDS! And my 9yr old is watching this with me woohoo!! :thumbsup: !Booya!

alkemical
02-24-2011, 02:45 PM
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/livestream/default/Space-Shuttle-Discovery-Launch/TH3Zr06su0qyxKZX-f50pw.cspx


watch online.

broncosteven
02-24-2011, 02:48 PM
We are GO

broncosteven
02-24-2011, 02:48 PM
T -5 and counting

broncosteven
02-24-2011, 02:49 PM
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/livestream/default/Space-Shuttle-Discovery-Launch/TH3Zr06su0qyxKZX-f50pw.cspx


watch online.

Or CNN

Bronco Yoda
02-24-2011, 02:49 PM
I'm at home right now watching with my 9 year old as well. She's so excited. To think I wast that much older than her when Columbia first went up.

broncosteven
02-24-2011, 02:50 PM
Gimbaling the engines

Bronco Yoda
02-24-2011, 02:50 PM
I've got to plan a trip for the last one going up at the end of the year.

broncosteven
02-24-2011, 02:51 PM
Swinging the Gantry

broncosteven
02-24-2011, 02:52 PM
T -1:30

alkemical
02-24-2011, 02:52 PM
Or CNN

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/livestream/default/Space-Shuttle-Discovery-Launch/TH3Zr06su0qyxKZX-f50pw.cspx

Let me pimp my friend's TV station dammit.

broncosteven
02-24-2011, 02:52 PM
T -1!

broncosteven
02-24-2011, 02:53 PM
GO for auto sequence start

broncosteven
02-24-2011, 02:53 PM
Liftoff!

broncosteven
02-24-2011, 02:54 PM
Go for Throttle up

broncosteven
02-24-2011, 02:55 PM
SRB Release

broncosteven
02-24-2011, 02:56 PM
Beautiful launch and text book burn

Bronco Yoda
02-24-2011, 03:00 PM
I hope those weren't tiles that popped off.

alkemical
02-24-2011, 03:01 PM
I hope those weren't tiles that popped off.

I saw that too.

broncosteven
02-24-2011, 03:04 PM
I hope those weren't tiles that popped off.

The stuff hitting the camera was ice/water vapor. I didn't see any tiles come off but I was typing and watching

Broncochica
02-24-2011, 03:07 PM
I hope those weren't tiles that popped off.

My son said the same thing, I'm sure it's just other normal debris.

bronco militia
02-24-2011, 03:09 PM
if anything, they were pieces of the external fuel tank.

Broncochica
02-24-2011, 03:10 PM
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/livestream/default/Space-Shuttle-Discovery-Launch/TH3Zr06su0qyxKZX-f50pw.cspx

Let me pimp my friend's TV station dammit.

Thanks Clavi 4 posting, I had my laptop and desktop with nasa and the news link. I'm such a nerd but this is so awesome!!! :notworthy

Broncochica
02-24-2011, 03:11 PM
if anything, they were pieces of the external fuel tank.

Yeah I'm still on the nasa link and no mention of that debris.

broncosteven
02-24-2011, 03:21 PM
Yeah I'm still on the nasa link and no mention of that debris.

I am going to rewatch it on the DVR when the kids get home. Even if there was debris they are on their way to the ISS so they could hold out there until a Soyuz could be sent up to retrieve them unlike Columbia who was no where near the ISS.

crawdad
02-24-2011, 03:24 PM
Great launch and a wonderful moment in history!

Broncochica
02-24-2011, 03:27 PM
I am going to rewatch it on the DVR when the kids get home. Even if there was debris they are on their way to the ISS so they could hold out there until a Soyuz could be sent up to retrieve them unlike Columbia who was no where near the ISS.

We keep watching it on nasa from different angles also you can hear mission control communicating with the commander on the shuttle. They will be having a post launch report a lil later.

Broncochica
02-24-2011, 03:30 PM
Great launch and a wonderful moment in history!

Mike it's so weird, my son got sick so I had to pick him up from school and he's my lil future astronaut, of course we watched together in awe! We were at KSC this last march and we learned so much about the shuttle! 8')

OBF1
02-24-2011, 03:41 PM
Where is Gene Krantz today???

Broncochica
02-24-2011, 03:44 PM
Where is Gene Krantz today???

Ahh.. no Gene but I'm sure he was there watching! :thumbsup:

broncosteven
02-24-2011, 03:45 PM
Where is Gene Krantz today???

LOL

I wonder if he was at the MOCR?

Bronco Yoda
02-24-2011, 04:08 PM
Gene was in full Native American splendor with a vest made out warriors teeth and bone doing a rain dance. He single handedly kept the sky clear all day long.
And people wonder why Chuck Norris has his likeness as a tramp stamp.

Broncochica
02-24-2011, 04:41 PM
Ok, watching the NASA post launch conference and what we saw was not tiles but thin foam come off from the ET tank at 3:51.

Broncochica
02-24-2011, 04:43 PM
They will perform a standard check on the tank because of the foam loss.

Bronco Yoda
02-24-2011, 04:47 PM
good news thx

broncolife
02-24-2011, 04:50 PM
Finally they are getting rid of the false front. No point in dumping money in something so we can show the public we can go to space. Instead will just use our captured alien technology to go to space secretaly and make citizens think they are nuts when they see ufos. :crazy:

Broncochica
02-24-2011, 04:54 PM
good news thx

Your welcome! :thanku:

Quoydogs
02-24-2011, 06:30 PM
Your welcome! :thanku:

Not to be a downer but wasn't it foam that got the Columbia ?

broncosteven
02-24-2011, 06:34 PM
They will perform a standard check on the tank because of the foam loss.

I rewatched the launch with the kids and I caught it. It looked like about 8 minutes in an odd shaped piece of foam bounced off the shuttle but it didn't seem to do any damage from what I could see.

I am guessing they will do a spin on camera once they get to the ISS to see if they lost any tiles. I believe they can (and do) lose a tile and still land safely.

broncosteven
02-24-2011, 06:38 PM
Not to be a downer but wasn't it foam that got the Columbia ?

Yep but that chunk of foam hit the leading edge of the wing and it happend at a lower altitude which had air pressure to add force to the impact. This piece bounced off the bottom of Discovery after the SRB's detached and a good 10 minutes into launch. The front nose of the shuttle is the strongest part of the entire shuttle.

Broncochica
02-24-2011, 06:43 PM
I rewatched the launch with the kids and I caught it. It looked like about 8 minutes in an odd shaped piece of foam bounced off the shuttle but it didn't seem to do any damage from what I could see.

I am guessing they will do a spin on camera once they get to the ISS to see if they lost any tiles. I believe they can (and do) lose a tile and still land safely.

Yeah I heard the commander mentioning it to mission control that they would be looking at the video and do an inspection/space walk to check it out. But nasa wasn't too concerned about it at the news conference. Let's hope it's nothing!

Broncochica
02-24-2011, 06:48 PM
Not to be a downer but wasn't it foam that got the Columbia ?

Yes don't remind me! :( But nasa has learned from that accident and I'm sure they will take all percautions needed for a safe return.

TailgateNut
02-24-2011, 07:06 PM
This has to be the first time I've ever read "lack of funding" and NASA in the same sentence.


Yep, we allow our education system to flop around like a fish out of water and expect to be competative in the future. How much does one vacation flight to the space station cost?

HMMMMM! I guess it would be enough to balance a few state budgets.

AT LEAST A FEW!

broncosteven
02-24-2011, 08:30 PM
Yep, we allow our education system to flop around like a fish out of water and expect to be competative in the future. How much does one vacation flight to the space station cost?

HMMMMM! I guess it would be enough to balance a few state budgets.

AT LEAST A FEW!

You should really read the history of the space race, your really uninformed when it comes to anything involving NASA. This is not the first thread you have proven your space ignorance in either.

You should take time to read at least the wiki's about the space race before you comment on it. This is a good start :

http://www.quotesandsayings.com/sjfk.htm

Kennedy not only set the moon as a goal to beat the USSR there but to spur education, he wanted a nation full of engineers who could solve large problems not only in space but to address infrastructure.

You have to remember at the time of the Rice speach the highway system was only a few years old, city's were barely connected and there were more unpaved roads than paved.

War and arms always keeps people employed but Kennedy envisioned a Country full of people who could keep pace with the Commies. At the high point of Mercury/Gemini/Apollo the volume of skilled workers employed was staggering. As Apollo peaked we have lost those skilled jobs and never recovered.

It is not a coincidence that the 2 countries who have promoted eductation and made engineering tracks for students a priority are 2 countrys with fledgling space programs. Those countries are China and India. We could easily find ourselves looking up at both of them and losing the white collar engineering jobs to them which would put even more American's out of work.

The fact is that post Apollo we didn't cure cancer, we didn't use that extra money cut from NASA to reduce the deficit, I am not a big political guy but I thought that it wasn't until Nixon that we had a real deficit spending issue and he was the 1st president to cut funding for NASA even as men took their 1st steps on the moon. When you consider that after all the civil rights were won urban area's faced the blight of heroin and later crack cocain. We are far from the utopia that people think we would have if we spent the money from the space race here at "home".

Without a clear goal to obtain or competition with another foreign power the USA has floundered and the only people to profit by it are CEO's and Wall street con men. All that money that didn't go to advances in Space exploration wouldn't have gone to the pockets of Joe Blow on main street USA, it would have found it's way to lining the pocket of some Wall Street con man or crooked Politico or become some sort of Toxic loan.

Post Apollo it became too easy for our nations youth to go into the Financial sector and speculate on Joe Blow's house than it was to become an engineer and build infrastructure and achive the heights that we will not reach again in my lifetime that we reached in the late 60's and early 70's.

Our bridges are crumbling, citys like Detroit and Cleveland decaying and dying from sprall. People who worked all their lives are losing pensions, our country is stymied in the worst recession since the great depression. There is little regulation of banks. We have lost hundreds if not hundred of thousand manufacturing jobs to third world countries. It used to be that made in America meant something, now it is increasingly hard to find anything made in America. Wallmart has put Main Street businesses out of business. More people are worried about leaglizing pot than putting people to work.

In 1969 you could book a flight on a Supersonic plane that would take you across the Atlantic in about 3 hours, while on that flight you could read your paper about a heated space race and after your flight landed in NY you could log on to the ARPANET and use the resources of a mainframe in UCLA from an office at MIT.

In a couple of months all you will be able to do of those 3 things in tell your friends what you had for dinner on Facebook via the Internet. We have not built on any of those advances (outside of the development of the Internet) and soon the US will not have a vehicle that can put men onto the ISS which we helped fund and build. Oh but the Banks all got their bonus's and Chrysler is putting out a new sedan so at least the Bankers/Wall st execs/Politico's can all buy one.

I think of all people those who lived in Denver would realize what the marked loss of that many engineering jobs would do to citys and states like Houston in TX and Coco Beach in FL. Denver is known for the missle and defense contractors. Just think what Denver would look like if all those corporations dried up and the government let them.

Before long India is going to be sending their call centers to the US and our Engineers will be trying to get work visa's to India and China. But we will have all that money we haven't spent on a shuttle platform or it's replacement.

The only thing we have left in common with 1969 is we are repeating history fighting a war that is impossible to win. We have learned nothing from our past.

broncosteven
02-24-2011, 08:32 PM
Oh and I forgot to add that ending funding for manned missions is not going to balance any state budgets, if anything Texas, Florida, Alabama are all going to be added to the list of states in trouble unless the jobs that are lost from cutting the shuttle program are replaced with similar or better jobs.

Broncochica
02-24-2011, 08:52 PM
Oh and I forgot to add that ending funding for manned missions is not going to balance any state budgets, if anything Texas, Florida, Alabama are all going to be added to the list of states in trouble unless the jobs that are lost from cutting the shuttle program are replaced with similar or better jobs.

Me and D met alot of those folks while we visited Fl. last year, it was very sad hearing them talk about their last days working for KSC. And yes it's gonna get worse before it gets better. :(

Broncochica
02-24-2011, 09:13 PM
Kennedy was the man! Obama should watch Kennedy's speech on space exploration, he needs motivation!
Here's my favorite part of his speech! !Booya!


"For the eyes of the world now look into space, to the moon and to the planets beyond, and we have vowed that we shall not see it governed by a hostile flag of conquest, but by a banner of freedom and peace. We have vowed that we shall not see space filled with weapons of mass destruction, but with instruments of knowledge and understanding.
We set sail on this new sea because there is new knowledge to be gained, and new rights to be won, and they must be won and used for the progress of all people.
There is no strife, no prejudice, no national conflict in outer space as yet. Its hazards are hostile to us all. Its conquest deserves the best of all mankind, and its opportunity for peaceful cooperation many never come again.
We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g25G1M4EXrQ

OBF1
02-24-2011, 09:13 PM
Yep, we allow our education system to flop around like a fish out of water and expect to be competative in the future. How much does one vacation flight to the space station cost?

HMMMMM! I guess it would be enough to balance a few state budgets.

AT LEAST A FEW!

Come on Leo... You are sounding line NASA drafted Tebow.

Since when is it the governments job to educate your children??? The only difference between school now and 35 years ago is that the children of today have computers and internet to play with and ZERO chance of getting swatted when they mis-behave. I have worked around schools and kids get out of it what they put into it, You can lead a horse to water, but you can not force them to drink.

And now you expect the Fed's to bail out every state thats politicians eff up the local ecomony... If that is the case, Nowhere is as eff'd up as California, So we are first in line. I will chalk it up to you having a ****ty day Bro.

TailgateNut
02-24-2011, 11:20 PM
Oh and I forgot to add that ending funding for manned missions is not going to balance any state budgets, if anything Texas, Florida, Alabama are all going to be added to the list of states in trouble unless the jobs that are lost from cutting the shuttle program are replaced with similar or better jobs.

Ok, you convinced me. Let's continue to pump money into the "space race".:spit: 'cause we don't want to hurt the feelings of those currently employed by a program which gobbles billions of dollars in an effort to be the first to turn over rocks on mars looking for mars-mice.:spit:

We'll be damned if those commies get there first.:spit:

Broncochica
02-24-2011, 11:58 PM
Ok, you convinced me. Let's continue to pump money into the "space race".:spit: 'cause we don't want to hurt the feelings of those currently employed by a program which gobbles billions of dollars in an effort to be the first to turn over rocks on mars looking for mars-mice.:spit:

We'll be damned if those commies get there first.:spit:

It's really not about the space race anymore nor the commies like it was back then. It's more about continuing to advance our technology to help us improve our quality of life and of course the exploration of space.
And the American space program costs the average American less than $60 a year in taxes; less than the average person spends on food or entertainment or their cell phone bill each month. Just sayin' :)

DivineLegion
02-25-2011, 03:33 AM
http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html

Here you go Tailgate, imagine life with out all of these wonderful things NASA developed as a means to make space travel safer that ended up in your home!

Punisher
02-25-2011, 04:46 AM
How on Earth have we not moved on to anything significantly more advanced by now? These things are a real relic.

Agreed it's because the people on earth are divide besides fighting amongst ourselves they should of been came together as one and put all the money and ideas to space.

Punisher
02-25-2011, 04:48 AM
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TailgateNut
02-25-2011, 06:42 AM
It's really not about the space race anymore nor the commies like it was back then. It's more about continuing to advance our technology to help us improve our quality of life and of course the exploration of space.
And the American space program costs the average American less than $60 a year in taxes; less than the average person spends on food or entertainment or their cell phone bill each month. Just sayin' :)

$60 x 300million = how much.


That's a lot of mula.

Bronco Yoda
02-25-2011, 12:33 PM
I say we up it to a $100 each & cut the military weapons projects in half.

Cito Pelon
02-25-2011, 01:02 PM
It's really not about the space race anymore nor the commies like it was back then. It's more about continuing to advance our technology to help us improve our quality of life and of course the exploration of space.
And the American space program costs the average American less than $60 a year in taxes; less than the average person spends on food or entertainment or their cell phone bill each month. Just sayin' :)

It's all about the space race, chica. The entire history of us has led to who can explore and exploit first.

Broncochica
02-25-2011, 01:36 PM
It's all about the space race, chica. The entire history of us has led to who can explore and exploit first.


Yes back then it was about who can get to the moon first now it's just to continue to be the best and keep advancing. :thumbsup:

Broncochica
02-25-2011, 02:28 PM
I say we up it to a $100 each & cut the military weapons projects in half.

:thumbsup: !Booya!

TDmvp
02-25-2011, 02:29 PM
crap no one needs to see.

Cyas later again Champagne Powder :welcome:


Has to be Champagne because this is about dead on the statement they said in another thread about Mark E. Kelly ...




Do the world a fav Champagne take up solo erotic asphyxiation.



Edit and thx to the Mods for taking care of them , well done.

Broncochica
02-25-2011, 02:44 PM
Cyas later again Champagne Powder :welcome:


Has to be Champagne because this is about dead on the statement they said in another thread about Mark E. Kelly ...
Do the world a fav Champagne take up solo erotic asphyxiation.
Edit and thx to the Mods for taking care of them , well done.



Yes, thanks Mods 4 deleting that sick post, that poster should be banned from this site! What a loser! :loser:

Bronco Yoda
03-01-2011, 07:23 AM
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Broncochica
03-01-2011, 09:17 AM
How cool for those people on that flight, lucky ducks! :)

broncosteven
03-01-2011, 08:30 PM
Ok, you convinced me. Let's continue to pump money into the "space race".:spit: 'cause we don't want to hurt the feelings of those currently employed by a program which gobbles billions of dollars in an effort to be the first to turn over rocks on mars looking for mars-mice.:spit:

We'll be damned if those commies get there first.:spit:

You do understand that elected politicians lobby to bring business sectors to their constituency in order to gain votes to keep holding their offices right?

I don't know what you do for a living but you understand that Colorado and the Denver area has a large base of Missle and defense jobs, Detroit is known for building cars and, NY,NY is known for the financial sector. You apparently haven't followed what happened to Detroit when the big 3 shutdown their factories.

NASA and space exploration is about pushing people to learn new things, you know, go where no man has gone before right?

Having a constituency that is full of knowledgeable engineers is better for the state and the USA than a constituency made up of people doing basic manual labor earning minimum wage. It ripples down to the businesses around the area, if workers have no extra money to spend there no one will want to open a business there.

If we lose the engineering jobs to China and India our kids will be the call center of the world and they will be clamoring for work visa's to China and India.

If your happy with your head in the sand and don't care about a limitless universe that expands to infinity and what our place in it is then good for you.

Just look at the state of air travel in 2011, most carriers planes are aging relics of a better time. It was only recently that the advancement of the 747 has been eclipsed and both the Airbus and Boeing offerings have been plagued with problems. Who will solve those problems if there is no engineering workforce? Why did it take 50 years to build something better?

If we lose the engineering workforce and do not replace it with an influx of talented motivated youth we will be forced to queue up with other countries waiting for help from those countries that invested in science and engineering, we will fall into a 3rd world status and watch our infrastructure crumble and the world pass us by rather than be out in front leading the world in exploration and development.

Check out the Hubble Deep field picture and then come back and tell me why we should not be looking beyond our neighbors hot wife?

broncosteven
03-01-2011, 08:32 PM
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Yes, thanks Mods 4 deleting that sick post, that poster should be banned from this site! What a loser! :loser:

Glad I missed that.

broncosteven
03-01-2011, 10:00 PM
I am watching a PBS Frontline show on the Storefront for profit Universities tonight on frontline, it is a rebroadcast of a show from may of 2010 but it is even more telling now.

Apparently when Obama took office Obama pledged $12Billion of federal money to USA Colleges.
Obama: "Every American will need to get more than an HS diploma, and by 2020 America will once Again have the higest porportuion of college graduates in the world."

Obama's planned funding has been slashed from $12Billion down to $2Billion with more hacking to come.

Doesn't make sense to have a big workforce all knowledgedup and have nothing to do...Maybe they can keep the floors clean while waiting on the next great plan to reach out beyond our own low Earth orbit....? Or maybe he is afraid of falling behind some 3rd word countries in engineering and high end management jobs. The Front line show is a rebroadcast I wonder if they come back and say that it was further cut from $2bill to $2mill?

maven
03-01-2011, 10:05 PM
I do think we should send more robotics and more spacecraft to space rather than a man mission to the moon/mars.

broncosteven
03-02-2011, 09:48 AM
I do think we should send more robotics and more spacecraft to space rather than a man mission to the moon/mars.

I would like to see a ton of more roboic missions as well as a telescopic array to replace Hubble when it goes out of service.

Ultimately I would like to see a manned mission to the moons of Jupiter that deploys robotics to the moons as well as Jupiter to add to the knowledge we gained from Voyager 1 and 2. I don't care if we land on a moon, I still think that is too dangerous but having men control the robotic missions while taking photo's/films and readings that Voyager was not able to get because it was a robot with little memory and stored functions.

I am not big on landing men on Mars because the lander robots have done all the science for years already. Send men to the larger gas giants, have them take pictures and movies of Mars as they pass it but having men conrolling experiments and robots in real time out at Jupiter and hopefully Saturn would be a real benefit to science as well as gaining knowledge for long duration manned space voyages.

Just think if some of those volcanic moons are spewing out diamonds that are more pure than Earth's diamonds which would put blood diamond companies out of business and payed for the missions ouright. What if Titan hosted plentiful/untapped schools of edible marine life under it's ice. I know I am dreaming but wouldn't it be a good idea to find and use resources that do not deplete the Earths finite resources? We won't know if we don't try.