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cmhargrove
02-22-2011, 08:50 AM
So, there won't be football for a while, at least we can watch them simulate football in their gym shorts...

Official nfl.com combine page:
http://www.nfl.com/combine

There is a Mayock story entitled: Mayock: Best defensive end class I’ve seen
link: http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/02/18/mayock-best-defensive-end-class-i’ve-seen/

Actual Combine starts Thursday. Here is the schedule:

cmhargrove
02-22-2011, 08:51 AM
Schedule:

driver
02-22-2011, 01:07 PM
Group6 on day 2,
Everybody on days 3 and 4.
Those last 2 days are going to have our top 4 picks I think.

We need the CBA settled before April so we can do some trading and get more mid round picks.

Cito Pelon
02-26-2011, 10:42 AM
Anybody have some insights about the combine? I'm surprised there hasn't been any comments.

schaaf
02-26-2011, 10:51 AM
If we're looking for Offensive Tackle Depth check out my boy

Mike Person out of Montana State

He was the captain senior year, Didn't allow a sack in his last two years of college. Two Time all American.

6'5 300 lbs.

Two Time state Discus champion and Also started on a state championship basketball team.

He is athletic and plays through the whistle on every single play.

You guys should check him out

Cito Pelon
02-26-2011, 11:41 AM
« Never a moment of restAlabama’s Dareus shooting to follow Sapp’s path »
Combine
Dareus draws attention, but everyone wants Newton By NFL.com Staff |
Published: February 26th, 2011 | Tags: Cam Newton, 2011 NFL Scouting Combine, Marcell Dareus
INDIANAPOLIS — After an extremely quiet Saturday morning inside the NFL Scouting Combine media center, the gaggle of reporters was awoken by the public-address announcement that Alabama DT Marcell Dareus was available on Podium C.

Dareus is one of the top defensive-line prospects in this year’s draft class, so media members halted their chatter about planned or previous dinners at St. Elmo Steakhouse, the NFL’s unofficial boardroom this week, then rushed to the podium for the first big-name player of the day.

But honestly, everyone at Lucas Oil Stadium is on pins and needles waiting for Auburn QB Cam Newton. Reporters are wondering aloud when Newton will hit the podium, and times are being thrown out seemingly willy-nilly. It will be sometime Saturday, and that’s when this place will come alive, a la Tim Tebow‘s appearance last year.

– Justin Hathaway

Cito Pelon
02-26-2011, 11:44 AM
Is this a new thing that every team gets 15 minutes for an interview with each prospect?

strafen
02-26-2011, 11:44 AM
Great thread man. Thanks for posting! :thumbsup:

Cito Pelon
02-26-2011, 12:02 PM
Jeez, Gabbert seems a little agitated that he's being upstaged by Newton:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110225/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_nfl_combine_who_s_the_best

I've heard some talk about Gabbert being the best QB pro prospect in this draft, why is that? What's so great about the guy?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
02-26-2011, 12:07 PM
If we're looking for Offensive Tackle Depth check out my boy

Mike Person out of Montana State

He was the captain senior year, Didn't allow a sack in his last two years of college. Two Time all American.

6'5 300 lbs.

Two Time state Discus champion and Also started on a state championship basketball team.

He is athletic and plays through the whistle on every single play.

You guys should check him out

Too bad he played at such a ****ty school.

Go Griz.

schaaf
02-26-2011, 12:27 PM
Too bad he played at such a ****ty school.

Go Griz.

Haha I forgot you went to Missoula!

Went up there for Cat/Griz this year when the CATS won haha

Love visiting there but I couldn't go to college in the zoo, too many damn hippies!

Cito Pelon
02-26-2011, 12:35 PM
Tale of the tape on top D-line prospects By NFL.com Staff
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Defensive linemen, considered to be a strength of this year’s draft class, were weighed and measured Saturday at the NFL Scouting Combine.

Here’s a look at how the four Tier 1 linemen in NFL.com senior analyst Gil Brandt‘s “Hot 100″ prospects list came out:

Clemson DE Da’Quan Bowers: 6-foot-3 and 280 pounds, with 33 1/8-inch arm length. His light frame helps him bring good speed for the position.

Alabama DT Marcell Dareus: 6-foot-3 and 319 pounds, with 33 3/8-inch arm length. He’s projected as a fit for both 3-4 and 4-3 defensive schemes.

Auburn DE Nick Fairley: 6-foot-3 and 291 pounds, with 34 3/4-inch arm length. He’s seen as a top prospect after a sensational junior season in which he registered 11.5 sacks.

North Carolina DE Robert Quinn: 6-foot-4 and 265 pounds, with 34-inch arm length. His good reach and height might be enough to entice scouts despite the fact he missed his senior season after violating NCAA rules.

gyldenlove
02-26-2011, 12:53 PM
Is this a new thing that every team gets 15 minutes for an interview with each prospect?

No, that has always been the case, I think you get 30 interviews of 15 minutes.

gyldenlove
02-26-2011, 01:01 PM
Jeez, Gabbert seems a little agitated that he's being upstaged by Newton:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110225/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_nfl_combine_who_s_the_best

I've heard some talk about Gabbert being the best QB pro prospect in this draft, why is that? What's so great about the guy?

He played in a much more pro like system at Mizzou and has 2 full years of starting experience, he is also a pretty accurate passer with a good demeanor.

I think the QB class of this year is quite weak over all, Cam Newton is a 1 year starter who relies heavily on his athletic ability and has some concerns about his dedication and readiness. Mallett has some awesome stats and a live arm, but is not too accurate and with drug rumors and work ethic questions swirling he is not a guy most teams would make the face of a franchise. Jake Locker really didn't progress at all as a senior and I think a lot of people are questioning if he is accurate enough and has the ability to learn to read an NFL defense. Gabbert by virtue of not having a lot of detractors compared to the others is right now the safe pick at QB, and since there are always teams with needs at QB, he is projected pretty highly.

If I look at the last 3 years QB draft trends, I would be surprised if Cam Newton is not a top 15 pick and Gabbert should be a top 20 pick, but other than those 2 I am not so sure there will be other QBs drafted in the 1st round. Locker could potentially be a 31st or 32nd pick if a team trades up, but it seems unlikely unless he has a monster workout.

Cito Pelon
02-26-2011, 01:24 PM
Locker is the only college senior in that top group of QB's. That may help him become the best of them. Mallet, Newton, Gabbert, all are coming out early.

Broncoman13
02-26-2011, 02:39 PM
Tale of the tape on top D-line prospects By NFL.com Staff
|
Defensive linemen, considered to be a strength of this year’s draft class, were weighed and measured Saturday at the NFL Scouting Combine.

Here’s a look at how the four Tier 1 linemen in NFL.com senior analyst Gil Brandt‘s “Hot 100″ prospects list came out:

Clemson DE Da’Quan Bowers: 6-foot-3 and 280 pounds, with 33 1/8-inch arm length. His light frame helps him bring good speed for the position.

Alabama DT Marcell Dareus: 6-foot-3 and 319 pounds, with 33 3/8-inch arm length. He’s projected as a fit for both 3-4 and 4-3 defensive schemes.

Auburn DE Nick Fairley: 6-foot-3 and 291 pounds, with 34 3/4-inch arm length. He’s seen as a top prospect after a sensational junior season in which he registered 11.5 sacks.

North Carolina DE Robert Quinn: 6-foot-4 and 265 pounds, with 34-inch arm length. His good reach and height might be enough to entice scouts despite the fact he missed his senior season after violating NCAA rules.

When this is all said and done, people are going to be clamoring for Robert Quinn. 6'4 265 and he will likely run in the 4.5s. He is going to benefit from this combine, probably more than any other prospect. In fact, if he runs in the 4.5s and interviews well, you may see the Broncos take a liking to him.

I still prefer Bowers, Dareus, and Fairley (in that order). I think Bowers has a great skill set and can add a pass rushing dimension to our defense. Problem is, do you play him at Doom's spot or Ayers spot? Play him at Doom's spot and you gain in run D, but lose out on those first and second down pass rushes. Play him at Ayers spot and you still have a liability vs the run with Doom.

Decisions Decisions... either way, we will come out of this draft with a stud on the DL!!!

A couple projections,

Fairley- 4.99 40, 22 Reps, and a 9' Broad Jump.
Dareus- 5.2 40, 34 Reps, and a 8' (even) Broad Jump
Robert Quinn- 4.53 40, 20 Reps, 10'3" Broad Jump and a 38" Vertical.
Von Miller- 4.69 40, 22 Reps, 9'8" Broad Jump and a 34" Vertical.

Bowers is going to run I don't think, but He'll likely be in the 4.75 range.

KipCorrington25
02-26-2011, 02:43 PM
We better not take another guy from UNC named Quinn. The one we got is a buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust.

Broncoman13
02-26-2011, 02:57 PM
We better not take another guy from UNC named Quinn. The one we got is a buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust.

Its worse than that, Robert is Richard's Brother!!!

oubronco
02-26-2011, 06:24 PM
Marcell Dareus: The nicer, safer option to Nick Fairley

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/26/marcel-dareus-the-nicer-safer-option-to-nick-fairley/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/26/marcel-dareus-the-nicer-safer-option-to-nick-fairley/)

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 26, 2011, 12:16 PM EST

Asked to describe himself on Saturday as a player, Alabama defensive tackle Marcell Dareus didn’t hesitate.

“I would describe myself as a nice guy,” Dareus said, noting that if he knocks a player down, he picks him up.

We can’t help but contrast that answer to Dareus’ competition as the draft’s top defensive tackle: Nick Fairley of Auburn. Fairley has a reputation as a dirty player, who got a ridiculous amount of penalties for hits after the whistle.

While Fairley has received more hype as a potential top overall pick, NFL Network’s Warren Sapp believes Dareus is the better “three-technique” tackle — the position that Sapp redefined. That’s not by accident; Dareus mentioned Sapp as a player he patterns his game after.

“I love Warren Sapp,” Dareus said. “Watching Warren Sapp made me want to play football.”

Sapp and Dareus have never spoken. PFT asked Dareus what Sapp’s praise meant to him and he just smiled huge and said it meant a lot, before noting Sapp won’t be the one drafting.

With better size and fewer questions about consistency, Dareus looks like the stronger, possibly safer option to Fairley. Dareus embraced the “safe” tag, saying his versatility and experience under Nick Saban indeed makes him a safe pick.

JCMElway
02-26-2011, 07:43 PM
Mallett just tanked some of his stock. Ryan Leaf without as much talent.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-newtonmallettinterviews022611

MABroncoFan
02-26-2011, 08:04 PM
Its worse than that, Robert is Richard's Brother!!!

I don't know if they're related, but they're not brothers.

iforgotmypassword
02-26-2011, 08:53 PM
If we're looking for Offensive Tackle Depth check out my boy

Mike Person out of Montana State

He was the captain senior year, Didn't allow a sack in his last two years of college. Two Time all American.

6'5 300 lbs.

Two Time state Discus champion and Also started on a state championship basketball team.

He is athletic and plays through the whistle on every single play.

You guys should check him out

Basketball part isn't true.... but he is a stud.

iforgotmypassword
02-26-2011, 09:02 PM
and.... the track part isn't true either.... 1 time state champ.

footstepsfrom#27
02-26-2011, 11:09 PM
Tale of the tape on top D-line prospects By NFL.com Staff
|
Defensive linemen, considered to be a strength of this year’s draft class, were weighed and measured Saturday at the NFL Scouting Combine.

Here’s a look at how the four Tier 1 linemen in NFL.com senior analyst Gil Brandt‘s “Hot 100″ prospects list came out:

Clemson DE Da’Quan Bowers: 6-foot-3 and 280 pounds, with 33 1/8-inch arm length. His light frame helps him bring good speed for the position.

Alabama DT Marcell Dareus: 6-foot-3 and 319 pounds, with 33 3/8-inch arm length. He’s projected as a fit for both 3-4 and 4-3 defensive schemes.

Auburn DE Nick Fairley: 6-foot-3 and 291 pounds, with 34 3/4-inch arm length. He’s seen as a top prospect after a sensational junior season in which he registered 11.5 sacks.

North Carolina DE Robert Quinn: 6-foot-4 and 265 pounds, with 34-inch arm length. His good reach and height might be enough to entice scouts despite the fact he missed his senior season after violating NCAA rules.
Wow Fairly is only 291 poiunds? I figured he top out over 300 for sure. Dareus is almost 30 pounds bigger than him. You have to wonder if Fairley is big enough to play inside at that weight in the NFL. Bowers is a little smaller than thought also.

Can't wait to see what Peterson, Cameron Jordan and the Akeem Ayers the do at the combine...Phil Taylor also.

footstepsfrom#27
02-26-2011, 11:25 PM
When this is all said and done, people are going to be clamoring for Robert Quinn. 6'4 265 and he will likely run in the 4.5s. He is going to benefit from this combine, probably more than any other prospect. In fact, if he runs in the 4.5s and interviews well, you may see the Broncos take a liking to him.
I still prefer Bowers, Dareus, and Fairley (in that order). I think Bowers has a great skill set and can add a pass rushing dimension to our defense. Problem is, do you play him at Doom's spot or Ayers spot? Play him at Doom's spot and you gain in run D, but lose out on those first and second down pass rushes. Play him at Ayers spot and you still have a liability vs the run with Doom.

Decisions Decisions... either way, we will come out of this draft with a stud on the DL!!!

A couple projections,

Fairley- 4.99 40, 22 Reps, and a 9' Broad Jump.
Dareus- 5.2 40, 34 Reps, and a 8' (even) Broad Jump
Robert Quinn- 4.53 40, 20 Reps, 10'3" Broad Jump and a 38" Vertical.
Von Miller- 4.69 40, 22 Reps, 9'8" Broad Jump and a 34" Vertical.

Bowers is going to run I don't think, but He'll likely be in the 4.75 range.
Quinn might drop out of the top 10 due to missing last season but he could be the steal of the draft.

schaaf
02-26-2011, 11:30 PM
and.... the track part isn't true either.... 1 time state champ.

I know they didn't win state in Basketball, I was just saying they were up there. Best team in the state that year IMO just fell apart to Frenchtown and let Lebsock go crazy from behind the 3 point line.

And you are wrong about track. He won State Discus both his Junior and Senior years, I was with him.

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 12:10 AM
I'm beginning to think that Denver is looking at whichever of Fairley and Dareus is available.

That would be wonderful.

Cito Pelon
02-27-2011, 07:41 AM
Wow Fairly is only 291 poiunds? I figured he top out over 300 for sure. Dareus is almost 30 pounds bigger than him. You have to wonder if Fairley is big enough to play inside at that weight in the NFL. Bowers is a little smaller than thought also.

Can't wait to see what Peterson, Cameron Jordan and the Akeem Ayers the do at the combine...Phil Taylor also.

Good point. The more I hear, the more I think Dareus is the better option at DT.

Broncoman13
02-27-2011, 08:16 AM
I don't think that Fairley's weight is a concern at all. You are looking at a player that uses leverage and length more than size and strength. That's why he reminds me of the Denver Broncos Trevor Pryce (not Pryce coming out of Clemson). Pryce was barely 300 during his DT days but always played in the opponents backfield.

I'd still take Dareus over Fairley, but it has more to do with him being a safer pick than what I think Fairley can do on the field. Fairley seems like the type that will expect start treatment whereas Dareus will be happy carrying the lunchpail and being one of the guys.

Kind of the same thing with Bowers vs Quinn... though I don't know much about Quinn's character.

Some interesting numbers coming out right now for the WRs and QBs.

Cam Newton just destroyed the Broad Jump... 10'6"! The avg. for QBs is almost a foot less. Tebow if memory serves was at 9'6".

AJ Green ran pretty well (4.48) but the guy that really caught my eye was Julio Jones at 4.39 and 4.41. Times are unofficial right now and will probably go up a little bit, but Jones is going to be a nice pick for someone in the 12-18 range.

QBs are running pretty well. Locker just ran in the 4.5s.

Ryan Mallet is a headcase but dude can really rip a ball. In fact, I think some of the receivers were catching passes in self defense on the slant routes!

Broncoman13
02-27-2011, 08:23 AM
This draft is going to be kind of funky. There are a ton of teams in the top 10 that need QBs. Problem is, I only see two QBs that are top 10 selections. There may be some movement in the 18-26 range for teams moving back into the first to get a guy like Mallet or Locker.

The DL is definitely the strength of this draft. Hopefully there are teams out there that reach for need and allow some of that depth fall to us in the 2nd round. I think Watts, Jordan, Kerrigan, and Clayborne will all be first round picks. But maybe a guy like Paea or Heyward fall to us in the 2nd. There will be some strategy involved in who we draft at #2 based on which of those guys they think will fall to the 2nd round. A guy that has been pretty under the radar is UNC's Austin. The Broncos could go Bowers at #2 and then get Austin in the 2nd. That could be a pretty nice haul.

Goobzilla
02-27-2011, 08:24 AM
Gary Miller tweet:

"Growing feeling at combine Panthers may have fallen in love with Cam Newton. That puts Fairley and every d-lineman in play at #2."

ayjackson
02-27-2011, 08:26 AM
Gary Miller tweet:

"Growing feeling at combine Panthers may have fallen in love with Cam Newton. That puts Fairley and every d-lineman in play at #2."

I love it when people fall in love! Love is blind.^5

CEH
02-27-2011, 08:36 AM
Gary Miller tweet:

"Growing feeling at combine Panthers may have fallen in love with Cam Newton. That puts Fairley and every d-lineman in play at #2."

I think I'd rather have Cam Newton sitting there at #2 then go #1.
I'm not convinced there is a sure fire #1 D player so if Newton is gone the odds of trading out of #2 just went down

Dr. Broncenstein
02-27-2011, 08:45 AM
Fairley measured in at 6-3 291. Dareus is the same height, but 28 pounds heavier. Link (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/notebook?page=combinereport226&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl %2fdraft2011%2fnotebook%3fpage%3dcombinereport226)

Cito Pelon
02-27-2011, 09:06 AM
I don't think that Fairley's weight is a concern at all. You are looking at a player that uses leverage and length more than size and strength. That's why he reminds me of the Denver Broncos Trevor Pryce (not Pryce coming out of Clemson). Pryce was barely 300 during his DT days but always played in the opponents backfield.

I'd still take Dareus over Fairley, but it has more to do with him being a safer pick than what I think Fairley can do on the field. Fairley seems like the type that will expect start treatment whereas Dareus will be happy carrying the lunchpail and being one of the guys.

Kind of the same thing with Bowers vs Quinn... though I don't know much about Quinn's character.

Some interesting numbers coming out right now for the WRs and QBs.

Cam Newton just destroyed the Broad Jump... 10'6"! The avg. for QBs is almost a foot less. Tebow if memory serves was at 9'6".

AJ Green ran pretty well (4.48) but the guy that really caught my eye was Julio Jones at 4.39 and 4.41. Times are unofficial right now and will probably go up a little bit, but Jones is going to be a nice pick for someone in the 12-18 range.

QBs are running pretty well. Locker just ran in the 4.5s.

Ryan Mallet is a headcase but dude can really rip a ball. In fact, I think some of the receivers were catching passes in self defense on the slant routes!

I see your point, but remember Pryce had to go to DE because at 290 he couldn't stand the wear and tear at DT.

As for the QB's, I sure like how they're competing. The more interest in Qb's, the more valuable Denver's #2 becomes for a team that wants to trade up to grab Newton or Gabbert, or whomever in order to scoop one of the other QB-hungry teams.

I'm thinking Locker will be the best out of the group.

Broncoman13
02-27-2011, 09:16 AM
I see your point, but remember Pryce had to go to DE because at 290 he couldn't stand the wear and tear at DT.

As for the QB's, I sure like how they're competing. The more interest in Qb's, the more valuable Denver's #2 becomes for a team that wants to trade up to grab Newton or Gabbert, or whomever in order to scoop one of the other QB-hungry teams.

I'm thinking Locker will be the best out of the group.

I think they moved TP to DE to prolong his career and b/c we had little pass rush from the edge. I don't think it was something he wanted based on performance and was never happy as a DE b/c he couldn't just push up field. But I do see your point. Also important to note that it's not uncommon for these guys to gain some size once they get to the pros. Fairley could easily gain 10-15 lbs just as Dareus could gain 10-15 and be a 3-4 plug.

btw, Julio Jones is doing his broad jump right now. He is pushing the 12' mark. Just jumped twice, first one he lost his balance and fell backward at the 11'5ish mark, the second, he landed right at 12' but fell forward. Dude is super explosive!

strafen
02-27-2011, 09:16 AM
I'm beginning to think that Denver is looking at whichever of Fairley and Dareus is available.

That would be wonderful.I'll be happy with one of those two.
Dareus would likely be available at the #2 spot. I think everyone here would agree Fairley will go #1.
Strange things have happened, though, but Dareus would be nice.
I like Patrick Peterson, but with the signing of Champ, I don't feel confident we're going after him.

Cam Newton's stock has risen. Teams like Buffalo could be in the mix for some wheeling and dealing with us if the feel Newton could be gone early...
Stay tuned on that one...

Broncoman13
02-27-2011, 09:17 AM
Bam, just sunk it in at 11'3. Could have had more but just couldn't keep his feet. Record was 11'5.

yerner
02-27-2011, 09:18 AM
Julio Jones is making money today. Still, maybe somebody should tell him to cut his hair. It looks bizarre.

Broncoman13
02-27-2011, 09:20 AM
I'll be happy with one of those two.
Dareus would likely be available at the #2 spot. I think everyone here would agree Fairley will go #1.
Strange things have happened, though, but Dareus would be nice.
I like Patrick Peterson, but with the signing of Champ, I don't feel confident we're going after him.

Cam Newton's stock has risen. Teams like Buffalo could be in the mix for some wheeling and dealing with us if the feel Newton could be gone early...
Stay tuned on that one...

I don't think it's Buffalo that would be willing to deal. More likely a team like the Cards or Niners. I hope that a team other than the Panthers fall in love with Cam Newton. Move down three or four picks, Still get a guy like Dareus, Quinn or Peterson, and end up with more picks this year and most likely a #1 next year!

oubronco
02-27-2011, 09:29 AM
If we pass on Dareus it will be a big mistake imo

Cito Pelon
02-27-2011, 09:46 AM
If we pass on Dareus it will be a big mistake imo

What if:

3. BUF
4. CIN
5. ARI
6. CLE
7. SF
8. TEN
10. WAS
12. MIN
15. MIA
16. JAC

one of those teams wants to trade up to #2 to grab a QB before they get scooped by another QB-hungry team, can we still get Dareus?

I've seen some mocks that have Dareus going as low as #9.

It's gonna be interesting . . .

Cito Pelon
02-27-2011, 09:51 AM
I saw something about the Redskins a couple days ago where McNabb said he has little interest in playing for the Redskins this year, wants to move on. Will Shanny be content with Grossman, or do they try to move up from #10 to grab one of the top QB's?

strafen
02-27-2011, 10:02 AM
I don't think it's Buffalo that would be willing to deal. More likely a team like the Cards or Niners. I hope that a team other than the Panthers fall in love with Cam Newton. Move down three or four picks, Still get a guy like Dareus, Quinn or Peterson, and end up with more picks this year and most likely a #1 next year!There are 6 teams at least in the top-10 draft that are in dire need of a QB.
Buffalo is one, Wash, Ariz, Sf, etc... that would be jockeying for position to get their guy.
Denver is in a very interesting position where other teams will be looking at us wanting to move up.

oubronco
02-27-2011, 11:43 AM
This draft is going to be kind of funky. There are a ton of teams in the top 10 that need QBs. Problem is, I only see two QBs that are top 10 selections. There may be some movement in the 18-26 range for teams moving back into the first to get a guy like Mallet or Locker.

The DL is definitely the strength of this draft. Hopefully there are teams out there that reach for need and allow some of that depth fall to us in the 2nd round. I think Watts, Jordan, Kerrigan, and Clayborne will all be first round picks. But maybe a guy like Paea or Heyward fall to us in the 2nd. There will be some strategy involved in who we draft at #2 based on which of those guys they think will fall to the 2nd round. A guy that has been pretty under the radar is UNC's Austin. The Broncos could go Bowers at #2 and then get Austin in the 2nd. That could be a pretty nice haul.

Give me Taylor with 2a please :approve:

oubronco
02-27-2011, 11:45 AM
What if:

3. BUF
4. CIN
5. ARI
6. CLE
7. SF
8. TEN
10. WAS
12. MIN
15. MIA
16. JAC

one of those teams wants to trade up to #2 to grab a QB before they get scooped by another QB-hungry team, can we still get Dareus?

I've seen some mocks that have Dareus going as low as #9.

It's gonna be interesting . . .

I don't think there's any way in hell he falls out of the top 3-5

HAT
02-27-2011, 11:52 AM
I don't think there's any way in hell he falls out of the top 3-5

Me neither....And I don't care what anyone says, AZ is not going to take a QB in the first round.

So really the only possible scenario I see where Denver could trade back and still get Dareus is if:

A) Caro doesn't take Newton
B) Cincy decides they are going to trade Palmer, they fall in love Newton & thinks Buffalo has too.

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 11:55 AM
I don't think there's any way in hell he falls out of the top 3-5

Fairley is getting reported as shorter (6'3" instead of 6'5"), lighter (sub-300 lbs), and with a smaller frame than he was listed at.

I'm beginning to think that Dareus will start getting the love after the combine.

SoCalBronco
02-27-2011, 11:56 AM
Gary Miller tweet:

"Growing feeling at combine Panthers may have fallen in love with Cam Newton. That puts Fairley and every d-lineman in play at #2."

Very good. That 1st pick has to be DT, either Dareus or Fairley.

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 11:59 AM
Very good. That 1st pick has to be DT, either Dareus or Fairley.

Getting the best DT on the board would be the best outcome of the draft for the Broncos. Especially in a draft with such excellent DT's at the top of the draft.

schaaf
02-27-2011, 12:12 PM
I'd much rather have Dareus over Fairley

Cito Pelon
02-27-2011, 12:12 PM
Me neither....And I don't care what anyone says, AZ is not going to take a QB in the first round.

So really the only possible scenario I see where Denver could trade back and still get Dareus is if:

A) Caro doesn't take Newton
B) Cincy decides they are going to trade Palmer, they fall in love Newton & thinks Buffalo has too.

Why would AZ NOT take a 1st round QB? Seems to me that's one of their main priorities. I guess they could cross their fingers and wait to see if one drops to them.

Or maybe they might try to trade up. And Denver is one of the teams in the top 10 that is not QB-hungry.

HAT
02-27-2011, 12:26 PM
Why would AZ NOT take a 1st round QB? Seems to me that's one of their main priorities. I guess they could cross their fingers and wait to see if one drops to them.

Or maybe they might try to trade up. And Denver is one of the teams in the top 10 that is not QB-hungry.

I'm not saying they don't need help at QB....Just that I don't think they will invest in one in this draft. Whiz may be coaching for his job this year so I don't think he'll be lobbying for a 1st round QB that he probably won't be around to reap the benefits of. And the FO might still be a little leery on pulling the trigger on a QB (much less trade up for one) who is is not a 'sure thing' after the Leinart mess....

Makes way more sense for them to grab a vet or just roll with Skelton.

Goobzilla
02-27-2011, 12:40 PM
Stephen Paea just put up 49 reps. Insane!

Cito Pelon
02-27-2011, 12:51 PM
I'm not saying they don't need help at QB....Just that I don't think they will invest in one in this draft. Whiz may be coaching for his job this year so I don't think he'll be lobbying for a 1st round QB that he probably won't be around to reap the benefits of. And the FO might still be a little leery on pulling the trigger on a QB (much less trade up for one) who is is not a 'sure thing' after the Leinart mess....

Makes way more sense for them to grab a vet or just roll with Skelton.

Eh, I'm just hoping one of these QB-hungry teams puts together a package for Denver's #2 that nets us Dareus and another day 1 pick where we can grab one of the top TE's, without having to spend one of existing 2's on a top TE.

Just dreaming . . .

lostknight
02-27-2011, 12:57 PM
The role of spread quarterbacks is really starting to drive the QBs to be more and more athletic. These guys all seem to be cut in Tebow's mold, as a reaction, I suspect, to what Tebow did in college.

TheReverend
02-27-2011, 01:06 PM
Stephen Paea just put up 49 reps. Insane!

****.

I want him available for pick 2a.

Arkie
02-27-2011, 01:07 PM
Stephen Paea just put up 49 reps. Insane!

He shattered the record. No way he drops out of the 1st.

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 01:09 PM
Stephen Paea just put up 49 reps. Insane!

Dareus and Paea.

This is my dream Broncos draft.

HAT
02-27-2011, 01:14 PM
Eh, I'm just hoping one of these QB-hungry teams puts together a package for Denver's #2 that nets us Dareus and another day 1 pick where we can grab one of the top TE's, without having to spend one of existing 2's on a top TE.

Just dreaming . . .

Agreed. People think this draft has to be all defense but if they pick up an extra pick or two I'm fine if they mix in a TE, RB or OL in the early rounds. I absolutely would not take Rudolph if they stand pat with just the two 2nd rounders but would love to grab him if they get a third (2nd rounder).

And even if it means missing Dareus, I wouldn't be bummed if they traded down to the 7-10 range if it meant another 2nd and a 4th this year.

Let's say Tennessee wanted to flip with Denver. Newton, Gabbert & Green are probably off the board on offense by #8 so that still guarantees an impact starter on D IMO....Fairley, Dareus, Bowers, Peterson or Miller.

I'd gladly "settle" for the worst of those 5 if it meant having picks #8, 36, 39, 46, 67 & 108 (With #'s 8, 39 & 108 being the picks gained in that scenario)

lostknight
02-27-2011, 01:25 PM
Athletically, it seems like this draft is insanely deep at pure athletic players. I worry a bit about it - I still think it's stupid to do any sort of 40 yard drill without pads on. Tebow isn't in the top ten without pads, and isn't out of the top few in pads.

I want to see Darius.

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 01:26 PM
Agreed. People think this draft has to be all defense but if they pick up an extra pick or two I'm fine if they mix in a TE, RB or OL in the early rounds. I absolutely would not take Rudolph if they stand pat with just the two 2nd rounders but would love to grab him if they get a third (2nd rounder).

And even if it means missing Dareus, I wouldn't be bummed if they traded down to the 7-10 range if it meant another 2nd and a 4th this year.

Let's say Tennessee wanted to flip with Denver. Newton, Gabbert & Green are probably off the board on offense by #8 so that still guarantees an impact starter on D IMO....Fairley, Dareus, Bowers, Peterson or Miller.

I'd gladly "settle" for the worst of those 5 if it meant having picks #8, 36, 39, 46, 67 & 108 (With #'s 8, 39 & 108 being the picks gained in that scenario)

Circumstance has delivered the Denver Broncos an enormously serendipitous smorgasbord of defensive line talent through the first two rounds.

The Broncos have the first selection among all the defensive line players available.

Then the Broncos have a prime pick to select whichever of the guys slip into the second round. And you know that defensive line players that would otherwise have been first round selections in another year are going to be available when the Broncos select again. Not every team in the league will be using this draft to shore up their defensive front.

The Broncos have arguably the worst defensive line in the league.

There is no reason at all to pass up talent to bolster the weakest positions on your team. We will be playing a 4-3. We need two DT's. Right now we arguably have one. It would be prudent to use the #2 and one of the seconds on d-line players.

When you pass up opportunities like this, you regret it later.

The opportunity is here for the team to address its biggest need in a way that will potentially take care of it for years to come. To fail on that would be tragic.

gyldenlove
02-27-2011, 01:32 PM
Dareus and Paea.

This is my dream Broncos draft.

Holy hell, that would add some serious muscle to that front 4, with Ayers and Dumervil coming off the edge that could be a pretty potent line.

If you add to that Mark Herzlich or Greg Jones at 2b I will be drooling for a long time.

razorwire77
02-27-2011, 01:33 PM
All of these scenarios are interesting, and the best part is that all of them appear to be favorable to the Broncos. After the **** storm of bad luck that followed this franchise since 2006, it's nice to have so many possibilities.

Getting the best DT prospect in the draft = Win.
Trading back to a QB starved team, still getting an impact defensive player while stockpiling additional high picks in a very front seven heavy draft = Win.

I really don't see how they could **** this up. Just keep hoping the Cam hype train keeps rolling along WOOT! WOOT!

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 01:37 PM
Holy hell, that would add some serious muscle to that front 4, with Ayers and Dumervil coming off the edge that could be a pretty potent line.

You rotate Bannan, Dareus, Williams, Paea, and Kevin Vickerson/Marcus Thomas at DT.

Thats a rotation that can hold up over the span of a year and can push the point of attack over the span of a whole game.

By the end of next season, the Broncos could potentially have a top-10 defense. Mainly because of its ability to stuff the run game and then to put Bailey/Goodman and co. in positions to make plays.

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 01:39 PM
I really don't see how they could **** this up.

McD would have found a way.

Lets hope that Fox handles this with wisdom.

Play2win
02-27-2011, 01:40 PM
Gary Miller tweet:

"Growing feeling at combine Panthers may have fallen in love with Cam Newton. That puts Fairley and every d-lineman in play at #2."

Okay, so this means the opposite is true, right?

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 01:42 PM
Okay, so this means the opposite is true, right?

Cam Newton underwhelming in workout
Newton was off target throughout, frequently overthrowing receivers.

Newton completed 11 of his 21 throws.

His ball sailed on 10-yard outs, 15-yard ins and fly patterns. He was pinpoint on all three of his 12-yard hooks, and completed two of three Z-outs.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/37939/cam-newton-underwhelming-in-workout

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 01:43 PM
Mallet, Locker look good

Quarterbacks who dazzled Sunday include Arkansas' Ryan Mallett (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=232007) and Washington's Jake Locker (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=184374). They threw in the early session I didn't attend, but those who witnessed were particularly impressed with Mallett's accuracy.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/37939/cam-newton-underwhelming-in-workout

HAT
02-27-2011, 01:44 PM
The opportunity is here for the team to address its biggest need in a way that will potentially take care of it for years to come. To fail on that would be tragic.

Ummm, okay but I wouldn't consider something like this a failure. (assuming a slight trade back)

1 DL
2a DL
2b TE
2c DL
3 RB
4 LB

That's still 4 defenders in 4 rounds including DL in the top 10 and with 2a to catch one of those droppers.

Play2win
02-27-2011, 01:48 PM
Cam Newton underwhelming in workout
Newton was off target throughout, frequently overthrowing receivers.

Newton completed 11 of his 21 throws.

His ball sailed on 10-yard outs, 15-yard ins and fly patterns. He was pinpoint on all three of his 12-yard hooks, and completed two of three Z-outs.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/37939/cam-newton-underwhelming-in-workout

Okay, well I was just going with the Gary-Miller-Rule ;D

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 01:48 PM
Ummm, okay but I wouldn't consider something like this a failure. (assuming a slight trade back)

1 DL
2a DL
2b TE
2c DL
3 RB
4 LB

That's still 4 defenders in 4 rounds including DL in the top 10 and with 2a to catch one of those droppers.

That'd be fine by me too.

I hope it looks like this:

1 DT
2a best DL available (DT or DE)
2b LB
2c BPA (TE or RB)
3 BPA (maybe OL)
4 BPA (TE, CB, or RB)

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 01:49 PM
Okay, well I was just going with the Gary-Miller-Rule ;D

It held true. You can rest assured, that like gravity, it will hold true whether its Einstein's gravity or Newton's.

razorwire77
02-27-2011, 01:56 PM
Ummm, okay but I wouldn't consider something like this a failure. (assuming a slight trade back)

1 DL
2a DL
2b TE
2c DL
3 RB
4 LB

That's still 4 defenders in 4 rounds including DL in the top 10 and with 2a to catch one of those droppers.

I wouldn't be pissed with something like this either. If a Kendall Williams is sitting there at 2C or a 3rd rounder I'd be fine with that.

lostknight
02-27-2011, 02:21 PM
Honestly, I think a safety is a must as well, perhaps earlier. Safety isn't just for old and slow CB's anymore.

TDmvp
02-27-2011, 02:23 PM
Honestly, I think a safety is a must as well, perhaps earlier. Safety isn't just for old and slow CB's anymore.

Would love to have a safety who can actually pass cover and maybe take a correct angle to a tackle once in a while...


For the last 4 years our safeties have just been crap.

cutthemdown
02-27-2011, 02:35 PM
How about Marcel Dareus, Stephan Pea, then Raheem Moore 2b the safety from UCLA. Outside of super avg linebacking it could be a decent defense.

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 02:50 PM
How about Marcel Dareus, Stephan Pea, then Raheem Moore 2b the safety from UCLA. Outside of super avg linebacking it could be a decent defense.

Im in.

Where do I sign? ;)

That would be a franchise-altering draft, IMO. The avg. linebacking would become above avg. with a dominant DL.

Chris
02-27-2011, 03:40 PM
Circumstance has delivered the Denver Broncos an enormously serendipitous smorgasbord of defensive line talent through the first two rounds.

The Broncos have the first selection among all the defensive line players available.

Then the Broncos have a prime pick to select whichever of the guys slip into the second round. And you know that defensive line players that would otherwise have been first round selections in another year are going to be available when the Broncos select again. Not every team in the league will be using this draft to shore up their defensive front.

The Broncos have arguably the worst defensive line in the league.

There is no reason at all to pass up talent to bolster the weakest positions on your team. We will be playing a 4-3. We need two DT's. Right now we arguably have one. It would be prudent to use the #2 and one of the seconds on d-line players.

When you pass up opportunities like this, you regret it later.

The opportunity is here for the team to address its biggest need in a way that will potentially take care of it for years to come. To fail on that would be tragic.

I read this with Gandalf's voice in mind.

Chris
02-27-2011, 03:41 PM
I'm not saying they don't need help at QB....Just that I don't think they will invest in one in this draft. Whiz may be coaching for his job this year so I don't think he'll be lobbying for a 1st round QB that he probably won't be around to reap the benefits of. And the FO might still be a little leery on pulling the trigger on a QB (much less trade up for one) who is is not a 'sure thing' after the Leinart mess....

Makes way more sense for them to grab a vet or just roll with Skelton.

Plus Fitzgerald says he wants a proven QB.

mattob14
02-27-2011, 03:44 PM
How about Marcel Dareus, Stephan Pea, then Raheem Moore 2b the safety from UCLA. Outside of super avg linebacking it could be a decent defense.

Sign Atogwe, maybe take a chance on Thomas Davis returning to form on an incentive-laden deal, and the only real gaping hole in the D is MLB. That would pretty much be the ideal scenario.

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 03:59 PM
I read this with Gandalf's voice in mind.

Me on my last visit to Manhattan:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3370/3490987458_4a0188fb54.jpg?v=0

oubronco
02-27-2011, 04:15 PM
How about Marcel Dareus, Stephan Pea, then Raheem Moore 2b the safety from UCLA. Outside of super avg linebacking it could be a decent defense.

That would be great!!

If we could swap out Paea with Taylor and sign Charles Johnson, Stephen Tulloch, Deangelo Williams, and a decent TE it would be AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!

cutthemdown
02-27-2011, 04:30 PM
I was thinking TE we can go FA. Going to be some vet castoffs that IMO would be better then what we have. Now if we can get Kyle Rudolph in the 2nd I would jump on it. I think though some team at bottom of round 1 grabs him.

cutthemdown
02-27-2011, 04:32 PM
Im in.

Where do I sign? ;)

That would be a franchise-altering draft, IMO. The avg. linebacking would become above avg. with a dominant DL.

It's possible to grab 2 top DT we would have to trade back into the bottom of round 1. Not saying do it, just saying those guys have a way of being gobbled up at the end of round 1. But if that happens then maybe a guy like Kyle Rudolph slips to top of 2nd. Hes going to be a stud and score 10 tds a yr for a long time.

schaaf
02-27-2011, 05:27 PM
That kinda sucks that Paea broke the bench record.

I'd be willing to bet money that pushes him into the first round

gyldenlove
02-27-2011, 05:39 PM
That kinda sucks that Paea broke the bench record.

I'd be willing to bet money that pushes him into the first round

Well if he goes in the first someone has to come out, could be someone like Corey Liuget or Marvin Austen.

Broncoman13
02-27-2011, 05:54 PM
Marvin Austin threw up 38 reps, been working hard during his time off last year. That will help him. Reminds me of a more talented Marcus Thomas, a guy that is widely considered a top 10 talent but off field issues will push him down. If he is available in the 2nd it would be smart to draft him.

Broncoman13
02-27-2011, 06:00 PM
How about Helu and Murray both running low 4.4s. Both are good sized, productive backs! I think Helu could be a decent pick in the 3rd round. Surprised he ran as fast as he did.

Soul-Bronco
02-27-2011, 06:03 PM
How about Marcel Dareus, Stephan Pea, then Raheem Moore 2b the safety from UCLA. Outside of super avg linebacking it could be a decent defense.

Saw on the NFL Network ticker that GB packers will cut A.J. hawk if he doesnt re do his deal.

If we can draft this and sign hawk, that would be an A+ offseason on the D

Broncoman13
02-27-2011, 06:07 PM
We're aren't going to have the $$$ to go after Hawk... and I'm not sure I'd want the Broncos to go after him anyhow. Great attitude, but he is going to cash in and I'm not sure I'd pay that much for a guy that will likely play the Strong Side in a 4-3.

Would much rather throw the $$$ to a good safety and TE. Lots of TEs available if there is Free Agency.

oubronco
02-27-2011, 07:39 PM
OU's Demarco Murray ran a 4.38 and a 4.40 not bad for a RB who's had as many injuries as he's had.

He's a baller, has a uncanny knack for the first down and endzone I think he's gonna be a good pro

epicSocialism4tw
02-27-2011, 07:48 PM
OU's Demarco Murray ran a 4.38 and a 4.40 not bad for a RB who's had as many injuries as he's had.

He's a baller, has a uncanny knack for the first down and endzone I think he's gonna be a good pro

He'd be good running screens out of the backfield for someone. I wouldnt be surprised at all to see him in New England or a Pat-spinoff offense. Maybe St. Louis with Sam.

Wes Mantooth
02-27-2011, 08:36 PM
Stephen Paea just put up 49 reps. Insane!

Go Beavs!

cutthemdown
02-27-2011, 08:37 PM
That kinda sucks that Paea broke the bench record.

I'd be willing to bet money that pushes him into the first round

He cant run or so anything else though. All he did was lift to get ready for the bench press. Still I guess he's got some good play in college and was already pretty well though of. He may have been a low first no matter what and all this did was confirm what they knew already. Man is strong.

Dedhed
02-27-2011, 08:40 PM
OU's Demarco Murray ran a 4.38 and a 4.40 not bad for a RB who's had as many injuries as he's had.

He's a baller, has a uncanny knack for the first down and endzone I think he's gonna be a good pro
Narrow base, mediocre vision, fragile.

cutthemdown
02-27-2011, 08:45 PM
Saw on the NFL Network ticker that GB packers will cut A.J. hawk if he doesnt re do his deal.

If we can draft this and sign hawk, that would be an A+ offseason on the D

Hell yeah but it seems like a long shot we would get that lucky. I mean teams would be lining up for him. I would guess 4-5 teams would want to sign him, another 4-5 probably want to drive the price up etc. To even get him to come to Denver might be tough.

I think in FA until you are good you sort of have to either over pay, go for a young unproven that may have upside, or just take a journeyman type that aren't in as much demand.

Once we get better then we will have a better shot at those 4-5 elite FA each yr.

Really if things were that easy we trade Orton for a 2nd round pick, sign Aj Hawk, sign Asomough, draft dareus, pea, rudolph, Wiesnewski and you would be pretty damn good. LOL. But it isn't that easy. If it was we would all be gms. You have to find the players before they are Aj Hawk, And Aso, and all the other teams will also be wanting to draft those guys.

Here's to hoping some things fall the Broncos way and we get some good luck. Maybe the football gods are punishing us because we treat each other so rudely in the politics forum?

cutthemdown
02-27-2011, 08:47 PM
I'd stay away from all the rbs except the 3rd down change of pace guys, special teamers, later in the draft of UDFA. None of them seem really intriguing. I'd rather just sign a vet to challenge Moreno, maybe hope White can be good for 75 short yardage carries etc etc.

But I think Sproles a FA. Someone like that could be a decent addition. I like Bush until he got a DUI. What an idiot. At least wait until after your deal moronaski!

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 05:48 AM
I'd stay away from all the rbs except the 3rd down change of pace guys, special teamers, later in the draft of UDFA. None of them seem really intriguing. I'd rather just sign a vet to challenge Moreno, maybe hope White can be good for 75 short yardage carries etc etc.

But I think Sproles a FA. Someone like that could be a decent addition. I like Bush until he got a DUI. What an idiot. At least wait until after your deal moronaski!

I agree with you for the most part. There aren't many RBs in this class that do anything for me. Even Ingram seems questionable to me. Actually seems very similar to Knowshon Moreno. That speed will always be questioned.

Rodgers seems pretty similar to Darren Sproles or last year's McCluster. He may be worth a look on the 3rd day if he is available.

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 06:52 AM
Wow, I am in awe of how explosive these DTs are!

Dareus- 4.91 (at 315!)
Marvin Austin - 4.80 (at 305ish)
Fairley - 4.81 (at 290)

These guys flat get after it!!!

Kerrigan, Jordan, and Acho have all run great as well (all in the 4.7s).

lostknight
02-28-2011, 06:59 AM
Wow, I am in awe of how explosive these DTs are!

Dareus- 4.91 (at 315!)
Marvin Austin - 4.80 (at 305ish)
Fairley - 4.81 (at 290)

These guys flat get after it!!!

Kerrigan, Jordan, and Acho have all run great as well (all in the 4.7s).

I'd like to see the ten yard splits on these, will have to wait until I can watch the combine for a bit.

lostknight
02-28-2011, 07:25 AM
1.66 split for Dareus. Yes please.

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 07:38 AM
Fairley looks noticeably faster/quicker off the snap than just about anyone during the drills. Dareus' strength is noticeable as well. His slap and rip was intense... just slapping bags, but looked Bruce Smith or Reggie White like!

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 07:40 AM
1.66 split for Dareus. Yes please.

I think Dareus' 10 yard split was better than Fairley's. Fairley seemed to have long speed which doesn't help you a whole lot as a DT. Fairley does look quicker though. Both showed up well in the drills.

Robert Quinn just did his broad jump... not real good (mid 9' range). He was noticeably disappointed.

footstepsfrom#27
02-28-2011, 07:47 AM
Wow, I am in awe of how explosive these DTs are!

Dareus- 4.91 (at 315!)
Marvin Austin - 4.80 (at 305ish)
Fairley - 4.81 (at 290)

These guys flat get after it!!!

Kerrigan, Jordan, and Acho have all run great as well (all in the 4.7s).
Fairley at 291, what he weighed in at for the combine is now suddenly undersized at the DT position. He was being reported as 6'5" 300+ and listed some places as 315 pounds. There's little doubt he can make plays but the question has suddenly become whether he's big enough, and strong enough too in light of a very subpar 22 reps on the bench...to play the run every down in the NFL. Those are pretty serious questions for a top 3 potential pick. For my money if I was choosing between him and Dareus I'd go with Dareus, who BTW also comes with a character issue (money from agent) so neither of the top two DT's are completely without questions at this point but Dareus seems much safer this high up...but maybe his ceiling is lower also. That might make their decision to go with Bowers, especially if they think they could use a 2nd rounder on someone like Taylor or Austin.

eddie mac
02-28-2011, 07:49 AM
That would be great!!

If we could swap out Paea with Taylor and sign Charles Johnson, Stephen Tulloch, Deangelo Williams, and a decent TE it would be AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!

Dareus $50m plus contract for 2nd pick
C Johnson DE $8m plus a season
Tulloch MLB $5m-$6m plus a season
DW $6m a year easy

Great pick-ups but there's no way Bowlen blows that kind of coin this year.

lostknight
02-28-2011, 07:58 AM
Dareus $50m plus contract for 2nd pick
C Johnson DE $8m plus a season
Tulloch MLB $5m-$6m plus a season
DW $6m a year easy

Great pick-ups but there's no way Bowlen blows that kind of coin this year.

There will be a rookie salary cap, so I suspect it's a lot cheaper then you project here for Dareus.

Plus we need safety help.

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 08:09 AM
Dontae Mock just ran... lots of people been wondering about his speed and vert and stuff.

His vert was 42" and he just ran a 4.45!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! at 248 lbs. Fastest 40 time for a DE ever.

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 08:12 AM
Robert Quinn is coming up... he has been under achieving a little bit so far. 32" vert, 9'3" broad jump... he is hoping to run in the 4.5s. My guess is he'll end up closer to 4.7 with how he's been doing so far.

Cito Pelon
02-28-2011, 08:12 AM
There will be a rookie salary cap, so I suspect it's a lot cheaper then you project here for Dareus.

Plus we need safety help.

Feb. 27, 2011 7:35 p.m. - The Broncos almost certainly will concentrate on defense in the draft, particularly at No. 2. Defensive line or linebacker are obvious needs but LSU CB Patrick Peterson will get consideration. Peterson (6-0, 219) said Sunday he would convert to safety if asked by a NFL team. He’s also a top returner. Broncos RapidReports

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/team/DEN

Hmmmm.

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 08:15 AM
Here comes Quinn...


4.73... I was right! Have to wonder if the year off his hurting him right now. Doesn't seem to have affected Marvin Austin who is tearing it up, but Quinn isn't putting himself in the top 5 as Mayock expected!

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 08:16 AM
Feb. 27, 2011 7:35 p.m. - The Broncos almost certainly will concentrate on defense in the draft, particularly at No. 2. Defensive line or linebacker are obvious needs but LSU CB Patrick Peterson will get consideration. Peterson (6-0, 219) said Sunday he would convert to safety if asked by a NFL team. He’s also a top returner. Broncos RapidReports

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/team/DEN

Hmmmm.

Came in two inches shorter than most were proclaiming him to be. It will be interesting to see how he runs. Guessing a 4.45.

Cito Pelon
02-28-2011, 08:19 AM
Fairley looks noticeably faster/quicker off the snap than just about anyone during the drills. Dareus' strength is noticeable as well. His slap and rip was intense... just slapping bags, but looked Bruce Smith or Reggie White like!

Feb. 27, 2011 8:11 p.m. - Auburn DT Nick Fairley came to the combine weighing 291 pounds, about 10 pounds under his playing weight after prepping in Houston. Fairley will be doing a full workout in the combine and belives he's faster having shed the pounds. Broncos RapidReports

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/team/DEN

TheReverend
02-28-2011, 08:21 AM
Came in two inches shorter than most were proclaiming him to be. It will be interesting to see how he runs. Guessing a 4.45.

Still 220. Anything sub 4.4 will be amazing.

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 08:26 AM
Still 220. Anything sub 4.4 will be amazing.

As fast as this track is, he'd have to run low 4.3s for me to be amazed. I think Peterson is overrated in a big way. How many top Corners do you know that would say, "I'd play safety" before the draft? IMO, he's a guy that should go in the 6-10 range.

Kaylore
02-28-2011, 08:26 AM
I think Dareus' 10 yard split was better than Fairley's. Fairley seemed to have long speed which doesn't help you a whole lot as a DT. Fairley does look quicker though. Both showed up well in the drills.

Robert Quinn just did his broad jump... not real good (mid 9' range). He was noticeably disappointed.

That was my impression. His closing distance might not be as strong as Dareus' but Fairley is so fast off the line it would be a wash and probably favor Fairley. I like that Fairley came in underweight to improve his performance at the combine as opposed to coming in all fat.

Dedhed
02-28-2011, 08:28 AM
Feb. 27, 2011 8:11 p.m. - Auburn DT Nick Fairley came to the combine weighing 291 pounds, about 10 pounds under his playing weight after prepping in Houston. Fairley will be doing a full workout in the combine and belives he's faster having shed the pounds. Broncos RapidReports

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/team/DEN

I've been mostly against going with Fairley because I view him as a high risk selection, but I have to admit that in the last couple of weeks I've started to warm to the idea.

His borderline dirty play had me worried about his character in general, and I still think it could be an issue, however I think he might be more of a "character" than he is a character concern. He's clearly been working, and I like that he's come to the combine to compete.

Chris
02-28-2011, 08:35 AM
That kinda sucks that Paea broke the bench record.

I'd be willing to bet money that pushes him into the first round

After briefly seeing the previous record holders on bench during an NFLN highlight... none stood out as guys that became big names.

TheReverend
02-28-2011, 08:38 AM
As fast as this track is, he'd have to run low 4.3s for me to be amazed. I think Peterson is overrated in a big way. How many top Corners do you know that would say, "I'd play safety" before the draft? IMO, he's a guy that should go in the 6-10 range.

Same track as before... its actually slower. Pro day 40s usually come in lower because of it. And a lot of top prospects like to show case their versatility... it only makes them MORE attractive to teams.

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 08:38 AM
Quinn ran better the 2nd time, 4.67 with a 1.69 split. Still not gonna put him in the top 5. I am pretty impressed with his ability to get low as an edge rusher. It will be interesting to see how he does during drills.

I think he is rusty and probably didn't train real well while out of football. Quinn will probably fall a little bit in this draft, end up going to a team like the Pats and have a bunch of 10+ sack seasons on a good team.

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 08:44 AM
Same track as before... its actually slower. Pro day 40s usually come in lower because of it. And a lot of top prospects like to show case their versatility... it only makes them MORE attractive to teams.

Julio Jones ran a 4.35 on this slow track. A 250 lb DE/OLB ran a 4.45. Fairley and Austin both around 300lbs ran low 4.8s. Jake Locker a 4.5. This track ain't slow skippy.

So what are you saying Patrick Peterson is gonna run? I'll stick with the 4.4 and will be impressed with anything in the low 4.3s.

Dedhed
02-28-2011, 08:54 AM
I love Phil Taylor. I think he's going to be a great pro. Just looked really fluid in the first agility drill in a huge frame.

TheReverend
02-28-2011, 09:03 AM
Julio Jones ran a 4.35 on this slow track. A 250 lb DE/OLB ran a 4.45. Fairley and Austin both around 300lbs ran low 4.8s. Jake Locker a 4.5. This track ain't slow skippy.

If you check the numbers against the pro day 40s, MOST players improve by a somewhat dramatic margin.

Unless they changed the surface this year, which I don't THINK is the case

So what are you saying Patrick Peterson is gonna run? I'll stick with the 4.4 and will be impressed with anything in the low 4.3s.

It'd be silly to guess. Im looking forward to finding out though :)

MABroncoFan
02-28-2011, 09:04 AM
Von Miller intrigues me. He could fill 2 needs for us - a starting OLB, as well as another pass rusher. A guy like Bowers could add another pass rusher, but he plays the same position as Ayers and Dumervil so he might not even start.

We could possibly trade down a bit and add a 2nd or 3rd rounder and still get him or any of the other guys we might want (Dareus, Fairley, Bowers).

Cito Pelon
02-28-2011, 09:09 AM
That was my impression. His closing distance might not be as strong as Dareus' but Fairley is so fast off the line it would be a wash and probably favor Fairley. I like that Fairley came in underweight to improve his performance at the combine as opposed to coming in all fat.

Feb. 26, 2011 2:47 p.m. - Denver GM Brian Xanders, comparing the top two available DTs in the draft Auburn’s Nick Fairley and Alabama’s Marcell Dareus.“ They are different types of players. Dareus has played in a 3-4 and he’s played left end, right end and nose tackle. Fairley is really a true three-technique and he is a disruptive guy, non-stop through the game.” Broncos RapidReports

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/team/DEN

Make of it what you will.

Fairley coming to the combine under his playing weight to emphasize his quickness can be interpreted as a good thing I guess.

Cito Pelon
02-28-2011, 09:17 AM
I've been mostly against going with Fairley because I view him as a high risk selection, but I have to admit that in the last couple of weeks I've started to warm to the idea.

His borderline dirty play had me worried about his character in general, and I still think it could be an issue, however I think he might be more of a "character" than he is a character concern. He's clearly been working, and I like that he's come to the combine to compete.

I don't know which of Fairley/Dareus will be the best long term. Fairley is dang quick, but OTOH Dareus seems to be more powerful and almost as quick.

I saw Footsteps post above that Fairley only had 22 reps on the bench.

TheReverend
02-28-2011, 09:22 AM
Paea was SOOOOO close to 50

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d81e843bc/Paea-sets-bench-press-record

Beantown Bronco
02-28-2011, 09:27 AM
Paea was SOOOOO close to 50

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d81e843bc/Paea-sets-bench-press-record

loved this comment:

Lol, the best part is the trainer humping the air while Paea was lifting and kissing the top of his head after he was done.

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 09:28 AM
If you check the numbers against the pro day 40s, MOST players improve by a somewhat dramatic margin.

Unless they changed the surface this year, which I don't THINK is the case



It'd be silly to guess. Im looking forward to finding out though :)


p***Y! Make a guess! ;D

As far as the faster times, comfort zone. People tend to perform better when they are comfortable in their surroundings.

You'll also notice that players that run well at the combine will "stick" with those numbers. Goes both ways.

Dedhed
02-28-2011, 09:33 AM
I saw Footsteps post above that Fairley only had 22 reps on the bench.
Guys with the length he has are always going to struggle with the bench.

Chris
02-28-2011, 09:42 AM
Guys with the length he has are always going to struggle with the bench.

I'll use that as an excuse for me only being able to do 4 on 225... but hey I only weigh 175.

Kaylore
02-28-2011, 10:10 AM
p***Y! Make a guess! ;D

I say 4.39 then 4.42

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 10:24 AM
I say 4.39 then 4.42

Sounds about right to me. I still think he is overated though.

Btw, Von Miller just jumped to the top of my wish list. Dude has been nails on his interviews. He just added 10 lbs (up to 246) and just nailed his 40 with a 4.46 (unofficial)!!!

lostknight
02-28-2011, 10:26 AM
Lets see what happens with Von's official score. They have been running behind the official scores. That being said, I do like Vonn, and with this being a very good d-line draft, I am not opposed going LB then DT.

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 10:57 AM
Ayers could slide a bit now as well. I doubt he falls out of the first round, but a 4.8 40 for a LB won't help him.

Cito Pelon
02-28-2011, 11:05 AM
Sounds about right to me. I still think he is overated though.

Btw, Von Miller just jumped to the top of my wish list. Dude has been nails on his interviews. He just added 10 lbs (up to 246) and just nailed his 40 with a 4.46 (unofficial)!!!

Miller is a major talent, he'll be a good addition to some team's roster and LB's tend to make an immediate impact.

My wish list is so long right now. There's a lot of good D players in this draft. Too bad Denver has only one 1st rounder. If they can parlay that #2 into two 1st rounders and still preserve the existing 2nd rounders that would be nice.

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 11:11 AM
Von Miller is so explosive. I am impressed with his ability to change direction. He stabs his foot and explodes the other way and gets to top speed in a hurry. If you guys have a chance watch him in the reruns. The drill where he starts off running to the wrong spot and they start him over and tell him to run straight to the cone. Considering he is 10 lbs heavier than he was during the season and still this explosive, the guy is solid.

My top 3 (and still have to see Peterson though I currently think he's overrated.)

1- Nick Fairley
1b- Marcel Dareus
2- Von Miller

Beantown Bronco
02-28-2011, 11:13 AM
If they can parlay that #2 into two 1st rounders and still preserve the existing 2nd rounders that would be nice.

That's what I'm hoping for as well, but it'll be really tough to do given that (1) the Pats are the only team that currently holds 2 first rounders, they're too low in the round and they very rarely look to move up anyway and (2) if there's no CBA it could REALLY make any kind of trading of high first round picks that much more difficult. How would you value them when you don't know what the salary structures will even be?

Cito Pelon
02-28-2011, 11:13 AM
Sounds about right to me. I still think he is overated though.

Btw, Von Miller just jumped to the top of my wish list. Dude has been nails on his interviews. He just added 10 lbs (up to 246) and just nailed his 40 with a 4.46 (unofficial)!!!

You may be right about Peterson being overrated as a CB. I'm thinking Peterson might drop out of the top ten.

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 11:16 AM
I don't think he'll drop out of the top 10, mainly b/c there aren't the top notch OTs in this class that would cause teams to take them over a CB. I do think he'll drop out of the top 5 and go somewhere between 6 and 9.

Beantown Bronco
02-28-2011, 11:17 AM
You may be right about Peterson being overrated as a CB. I'm thinking Peterson might drop out of the top ten.

I'd bet everything I own against that.

TheReverend
02-28-2011, 11:23 AM
I'd bet everything I own against that.

I'll gladly join that endeavor.

Cito Pelon
02-28-2011, 11:29 AM
Von Miller is so explosive. I am impressed with his ability to change direction. He stabs his foot and explodes the other way and gets to top speed in a hurry. If you guys have a chance watch him in the reruns. The drill where he starts off running to the wrong spot and they start him over and tell him to run straight to the cone. Considering he is 10 lbs heavier than he was during the season and still this explosive, the guy is solid.

My top 3 (and still have to see Peterson though I currently think he's overrated.)

1- Nick Fairley
1b- Marcel Dareus
2- Von Miller

Miller is a stud, and as you've pointed out he's 10 lbs heavier and still explosive.

Denver needs DL help, but this Miller guy may be better than Patrick Willis. Trouble is, taking him at #2 is too high, but maybe they can grab him after trading down from #2.

Denver can get Miller if they stay in the top ten, but then they'll probably miss out on Fairley or Dareus and have to settle for the second tier of DT's, a DE, or Peterson.

Denver does have some options provided somebody wants to trade up to the #2 slot. It's gonna be interesting to see how they wheel and deal.

Cito Pelon
02-28-2011, 11:50 AM
I'd bet everything I own against that.

I was thinking Rev would be first to jump on that, but he's not far behind you. I was trolling a little bit.

It's interesting Peterson shows up at 6'0 219. That's a stout frame. He may end up being a safety in the NFL, said he's ok with that. And he'll probably be a fine FS but for that reason his draft stock may be dropping.

rugbythug
02-28-2011, 11:51 AM
Miller is a stud, and as you've pointed out he's 10 lbs heavier and still explosive.

Denver needs DL help, but this Miller guy may be better than Patrick Willis. Trouble is, taking him at #2 is too high, but maybe they can grab him after trading down from #2.

Denver can get Miller if they stay in the top ten, but then they'll probably miss out on Fairley or Dareus and have to settle for the second tier of DT's, a DE, or Peterson.

Denver does have some options provided somebody wants to trade up to the #2 slot. It's gonna be interesting to see how they wheel and deal.

Imo he wont make it past 3 buffalos needs him

SonOfLe-loLang
02-28-2011, 11:55 AM
I'm not sure why taking Miller @ 2 is too high. He's bulked up, quick as ****, can rush the passer and play sideline to sideline. Sign me up

2KBack
02-28-2011, 12:22 PM
As far as I'm concerned, if a guy can be a difference maker on our defense, there is no such thing as being taken too high

Cito Pelon
02-28-2011, 12:24 PM
I'm not sure why taking Miller @ 2 is too high. He's bulked up, quick as ****, can rush the passer and play sideline to sideline. Sign me up

Maybe too high for DENVER when there will be Dareus at #2. Maybe Miller will have a greater impact than Dareus, Peterson, Fairley, I don't know.

But Miller is certainly looking like an impact player for years.

Beantown Bronco
02-28-2011, 12:29 PM
I never understood the "reach at 2 but good value at 6" arguments that come out every year. Unless your team holds both the #2 pick and the #6 pick, then by definition, it's not a reach to take him at 2.

In other words, if you like a guy and can't trade down and the guy is clearly not going to make it to your next pick, wherever that is, then you take him with your first pick. Period.

gyldenlove
02-28-2011, 12:35 PM
loved this comment:

Lol, the best part is the trainer humping the air while Paea was lifting and kissing the top of his head after he was done.

Why the hell is that guy dry humping the air?

And holy ****ing hell, Paea was throwing that bar around like it is hid daddys visa card and he is a drunk 16 year old.

Cito Pelon
02-28-2011, 12:46 PM
I never understood the "reach at 2 but good value at 6" arguments that come out every year. Unless your team holds both the #2 pick and the #6 pick, then by definition, it's not a reach to take him at 2.

In other words, if you like a guy and can't trade down and the guy is clearly not going to make it to your next pick, wherever that is, then you take him with your first pick. Period.

Sure, but they have to consider if a Dareus/Fairley/Peterson/whomever is the better value at #2 than Miller.

Bigdawg26
02-28-2011, 12:48 PM
So far Miller is my top pick because he can make the best impact with the number two pick. The D-line depth is crazy this year where u can get taylor, austin, or another solid DT with one of the two second rounders. Von is a fast explosive pass rushing SLB that can become an end on nickel and dime packages.

KevinJames
02-28-2011, 12:57 PM
I think the pick is going to come down to these 3, and we will have our choice because I believe Gabbert or Newton is going to Carolina.

Peterson / Dareus / Bowers

in my eyes Dareus separates himself from Fairley from not only his performance at the combine but overall hes more consistent and more of what you look for in the DT position.

Peterson is just a freak of nature at DB, I know he hasn't run yet but anything under 4.4 from a DB that size with those kind of ball skills would be amazing.

Bowers hasn't ran but will at his pro day, thats going to be interesting I think Bowers is the least likely to be drafted by us because we have Ayers and Doom and we are better off selecting a different need position in the first round, but Bowers has great ability and hes a big high character guy and it wouldn't shock me totally if we drafted him.


who it won't be:
Robert Quinn - Missed a whole year, had an okay combine but didn't meet expectations.
Von Miller -Too much of a risk to select as a 4-3 OLB in my eyes, leave him for the 3-4 teams that need a rush linebacker.
Nick Fairley - Too risky, a definite boom or bust guy but we can't afford a bust
a QB - Obvious reasons

Pony Boy
02-28-2011, 01:02 PM
You may be right about Peterson being overrated as a CB. I'm thinking Peterson might drop out of the top ten.

Gill Brant made a comment on Sirius that 90% of the players will lie about their height and Peterson came in listed at 6-2 and when they put the tape on him he was barely 6-0.

montrose
02-28-2011, 01:05 PM
McShay just said Dareus may have solidified himself as a top-3 pick. Schefter was just on saying the buzz is Carolina will probably come back to a QB at #1 - either Newton or Gabbert.

KevinJames
02-28-2011, 01:06 PM
Gill Brant made a comment on Sirius that 90% of the players will lie about their height and Peterson came in listed at 6-2 and when they put the tape on him he was barely 6-0.

Universities lie about Height and Weight down ranking PP for that would be dumb.

its not the first time its happened 6-0 219 for a DB that runs very fast is still pretty damn elite.

Beantown Bronco
02-28-2011, 01:08 PM
CB height is everything. Bring back Lenny Walls dammit.

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 01:15 PM
It's funny how everybody that was raving about Peterson's size at 6'2 220 lbs are still raving about his size even though he's 2" shorter than that. He's pretty much Antonio Cromartie minus two inches!

Cito Pelon
02-28-2011, 01:15 PM
6 minutes ago - The Texans should consider Cal DE Cameron Jordan with the No. 11 pick. Jordan (6-4, 283) shot up draft boards with an array of pass rushing moves at the Senior Bowl. On Monday, he ran a 4.71 in the 40 and had 25 reps on the bench press. Draftees RapidReports

5 minutes ago - If Texas A&M LB Von Miller and Nebraska CB Prince Amukamara are unavailable when the Texans select at No. 11, Purdue DE Ryan Kerrigan could be a viable alternative. Kerrigan, who can be moved to OLB, ran the 40 in 4.67 and put up 31 reps on Monday. Texans RapidReports

6 minutes ago - These four names will swirl around the Saints as the draft comes closer, and the team had a first-hand look at all of them Monday during the Combine: Cal DE Cameron Jordan, Ohio State DE Cameron Heyward, Purdue DE Ryan Kerrigan and Iowa DE Adrian Clayborn. Draftees RapidReports

8 minutes ago - Combine preview: Miami’s Brandon Harris, same as LSU’s top-rated Patrick Peterson, allowed one touchdown pass all season, and that was in a bowl game. Harris is small (5-11, 191) but is physical. He possesses coverage skills of those top-tier CBs in draft, and he comes with NFL-friendly Hurricanes pedigree. Steelers RapidReports
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There's gonna be some movement on draft boards with these combine workouts. Some of the DE's might move up on some boards. How that will play out for the Broncos I don't know.

epicSocialism4tw
02-28-2011, 01:19 PM
Von Miller is so explosive. I am impressed with his ability to change direction. He stabs his foot and explodes the other way and gets to top speed in a hurry. If you guys have a chance watch him in the reruns. The drill where he starts off running to the wrong spot and they start him over and tell him to run straight to the cone. Considering he is 10 lbs heavier than he was during the season and still this explosive, the guy is solid.

My top 3 (and still have to see Peterson though I currently think he's overrated.)

1- Nick Fairley
1b- Marcel Dareus
2- Von Miller

Miller isnt just a combine hero either. He has produced on the field over the course of his entire college career. When he joined A&M, they were the worst team in the Big 12. When he left, they were playing in bowl games. He piled up stats and really showed alot of leadership there too. I was impressed before the draft hype hit.

The guy is for real.

He also fits what Fox wants to do with the defense as far as getting that sideline-to-sideline speed. He and DJ would make a pretty fast couple of backers.

underrated29
02-28-2011, 01:20 PM
I do not see how bowers is on our list at all.


The man is hurt, I am tired of drafting guys with injuries in the first round.

epicSocialism4tw
02-28-2011, 01:22 PM
McShay just said Dareus may have solidified himself as a top-3 pick. Schefter was just on saying the buzz is Carolina will probably come back to a QB at #1 - either Newton or Gabbert.

Great news.

Fantastic.

Denver has the shot at the best defensive lineman in this draft.

Cito Pelon
02-28-2011, 01:26 PM
McShay just said Dareus may have solidified himself as a top-3 pick. Schefter was just on saying the buzz is Carolina will probably come back to a QB at #1 - either Newton or Gabbert.

Interesting Gabbert.

schaaf
02-28-2011, 01:28 PM
I do not see how bowers is on our list at all.


The man is hurt, I am tired of drafting guys with injuries in the first round.

You must not really pay attention to sports.

He had arthroscopic knee surgery. He could run right now, but probably hasn't had enough time to build his speed up from the rehab. After scoping your knee your walking on it again in 5 days.

underrated29
02-28-2011, 01:34 PM
McShay just said Dareus may have solidified himself as a top-3 pick. Schefter was just on saying the buzz is Carolina will probably come back to a QB at #1 - either Newton or Gabbert.



This could be good and bad.


The Good, as we will then have either 2 things waiting for us after they pick.

1. A trade partner. We ALL know that Buf is taking Newton. AZ/CINCY/Shannys skins Might not want to take a chance on Locker/Mallett and jump ahead of Buf to get newton.

2. Fairley/Dareus or anyone we want will be there for us to take with our pick. yay.


The Bad,

- If there is a lockout this entire year and the draft order remains the same and is not a lottery style Carolina will not be taking Luck. Which means we will be at #2 with Luck falling in our laps. The bad news is that (depending on if you believe in TT or not) that elway will more than likely force us to take him. I do NOT want us to take Luck at all. So this would be very bad to me.

underrated29
02-28-2011, 01:35 PM
You must not really pay attention to sports.

He had arthroscopic knee surgery. He could run right now, but probably hasn't had enough time to build his speed up from the rehab. After scoping your knee your walking on it again in 5 days.



Good for him. He can go to someone else and they can hope he has no further complications with it. Meanwhile, we can take someone healthy without injury concerns. If that logic is for someone who does not watch sports, I would have to say its dam good logic.

epicSocialism4tw
02-28-2011, 01:38 PM
Good for him. He can go to someone else and they can hope he has no further complications with it. Meanwhile, we can take someone healthy without injury concerns. If that logic is for someone who does not watch sports, I would have to say its dam good logic.

A scope is not something to be worried about. Its preventative.

underrated29
02-28-2011, 01:53 PM
Not saying that it is the end of his career or anything here..

I am saying what would you do


fairley-Stud- no injury
dareus- Stud- no injury
PP-Stud- no injury
Bowers- Stud- injury


The first two fill our most pressing need, PP does not but he is solid, and Bowers fills a need. Now which ONE guy do you take? To me its obvious-

yerner
02-28-2011, 01:57 PM
Not reallly overly impressed with any of the d lineman this combine. Dareus seems like a safe pick but I can understand the argument that the number 2 pick is too high for a DT this draft.

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 01:59 PM
Von Miller topped out in the top 3 in every category (40, Vert, Broad, 10, 20, 60, and short shuttle) amongst LBs. Official 40 time was 4.53. When most guys are dropping weight to perform better at the combine, he is adding weight and performing at the highest level.

I love what I am seeing here with Von Miller, but I don't think a Linebacker at #2 is the smartest move. Take Fairley or Dareus at 2. If you can find somebody that loves a QB and move to 4, 5 or 6 and Fairley and Dareus are off the board, then go with Miller and be happy!!!

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 02:02 PM
Not reallly overly impressed with any of the d lineman this combine. Dareus seems like a safe pick but I can understand the argument that the number 2 pick is too high for a DT this draft.

Have to wonder what you are watching! Dareus looks great... plus high character. Seriously, sub 5 40 at 320 lbs!

epicSocialism4tw
02-28-2011, 02:05 PM
Von Miller topped out in the top 3 in every category (40, Vert, Broad, 10, 20, 60, and short shuttle) amongst LBs. Official 40 time was 4.53. When most guys are dropping weight to perform better at the combine, he is adding weight and performing at the highest level.

I love what I am seeing here with Von Miller, but I don't think a Linebacker at #2 is the smartest move. Take Fairley or Dareus at 2. If you can find somebody that loves a QB and move to 4, 5 or 6 and Fairley and Dareus are off the board, then go with Miller and be happy!!!

I agree with that.

Miller is going to be a special player though. When a guy raises the level of his teammates like that on a bad team, he's usually the real deal.

epicSocialism4tw
02-28-2011, 02:06 PM
Have to wonder what you are watching! Dareus looks great... plus high character. Seriously, sub 5 40 at 320 lbs!

Dareus is my guy at #2. I would be happy with any defensive line stud, but Dareus stands out to me. I think he'd be a great fit that even the veteran guys would like.

elsid13
02-28-2011, 02:13 PM
Have to wonder what you are watching! Dareus looks great... plus high character. Seriously, sub 5 40 at 320 lbs!

We will when we start running the fat guy relays, he can be our anchor. I think that Dareus is very solid player, but I don't think he far better then any of the other DT/DE in this draft. The group is good not great.

epicSocialism4tw
02-28-2011, 02:16 PM
We will when we start running the fat guy relays, he can be our anchor. I think that Dareus is very solid player, but I don't think he far better then any of the other DT/DE in this draft. The group is good not great.

So you think.

You also thought that Sam Bradford would bust.

Beantown Bronco
02-28-2011, 02:16 PM
I like the guy, but he got suspended the full year for dilly-dallying with an agent, so he's not pristine character-wise.

For me, character problems are something different entirely: committing real crimes like assault, rape, murder, DUIs.....stuff like that. Talking to agents and accepting small gifts? That's not a character issue IMO. Especially when they're all doing it in one way or another IMO. No exceptions.

elsid13
02-28-2011, 02:20 PM
So you think.

You also thought that Sam Bradford would bust.

No what I said Dramallama was that I thought Stephen McGee when it was all said and done would be better QB and I thought Bradford would struggle coming from spread offense into pro style under center offense.

yerner
02-28-2011, 02:26 PM
Have to wonder what you are watching! Dareus looks great... plus high character. Seriously, sub 5 40 at 320 lbs!

Just an opinion. I feel like he is more Russell Maryland than Suh or Sapp.
Not sure any of the tackles this year are the game changers you want out of a number 2 draft pick.

Cito Pelon
02-28-2011, 02:27 PM
For me, character problems are something different entirely: committing real crimes like assault, rape, murder, DUIs.....stuff like that. Talking to agents and accepting small gifts? That's not a character issue IMO. Especially when they're all doing it in one way or another IMO. No exceptions.

I had to delete that post since it wasn't accurate.

Broncoman13
02-28-2011, 02:28 PM
No what I said Dramallama was that I thought Stephen McGee when it was all said and done would be better QB and I thought Bradford would struggle coming from spread offense into pro style under center offense.

I think everyone is spoiled to Suh from last year. No, there are no Suh's in this year's draft. Dareus and Fairley however compare very favorably to McCoy.

bendog
02-28-2011, 03:04 PM
I think the pick is going to come down to these 3, and we will have our choice because I believe Gabbert or Newton is going to Carolina.

Peterson / Dareus / Bowers

in my eyes Dareus separates himself from Fairley from not only his performance at the combine but overall hes more consistent and more of what you look for in the DT position.

Peterson is just a freak of nature at DB, I know he hasn't run yet but anything under 4.4 from a DB that size with those kind of ball skills would be amazing.

Bowers hasn't ran but will at his pro day, thats going to be interesting I think Bowers is the least likely to be drafted by us because we have Ayers and Doom and we are better off selecting a different need position in the first round, but Bowers has great ability and hes a big high character guy and it wouldn't shock me totally if we drafted him.


who it won't be:
Robert Quinn - Missed a whole year, had an okay combine but didn't meet expectations.
Von Miller -Too much of a risk to select as a 4-3 OLB in my eyes, leave him for the 3-4 teams that need a rush linebacker.
Nick Fairley - Too risky, a definite boom or bust guy but we can't afford a bust
a QB - Obvious reasons

I'd agree with those three. Any of them at two, and I won't complain. Von Miller too, but I see him as a will in the 4-3, and that's one position we have a guy at who can play. Unfortunately we have no Mike, so he has to play there. But drafting another will would be akin to the circus Shanny had with DJ and Ian Gold and a smallish Mike.

elsid13
02-28-2011, 03:22 PM
I think everyone is spoiled to Suh from last year. No, there are no Suh's in this year's draft. Dareus and Fairley however compare very favorably to McCoy.

I think you are extremely underrating McCoy. He wasn't as good as Suh, but he is a level above the DTs this draft.

Cito Pelon
02-28-2011, 03:30 PM
I'd agree with those three. Any of them at two, and I won't complain. Von Miller too, but I see him as a will in the 4-3, and that's one position we have a guy at who can play. Unfortunately we have no Mike, so he has to play there. But drafting another will would be akin to the circus Shanny had with DJ and Ian Gold and a smallish Mike.

DJ is a good Will?

yerner
02-28-2011, 03:42 PM
Anybody have a link to the full combine results so far? Nfl.com's seems to be ****ing up in every browser.

Chris
02-28-2011, 03:43 PM
NFL.com Dareus vs Fairley

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d81e88f4f/Dareus-vs-Fairley

elsid13
02-28-2011, 03:44 PM
Anybody have a link to the full combine results so far? Nfl.com's seems to be ****ing up in every browser.

try draftcountdown.com

footstepsfrom#27
02-28-2011, 04:19 PM
The more I think about it Dareus seems like a better pick than Fairley at #2 if they don't go with Peterson. I just don't know if Fairley is going to be a guy who can play at a weight where he's effective agaisnt the run consistently. Dareus looks more stout, like he'll hold up better.

epicSocialism4tw
02-28-2011, 07:46 PM
NFL.com Dareus vs Fairley

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d81e88f4f/Dareus-vs-Fairley

I like what Mora says at the end there. He basically divides the flavor clown from the winner.

Fairley has a reputation as a high-motor player, so I dont think that the "character" thing is a problem with him. I dont know Dareus as well.

oubronco
02-28-2011, 08:11 PM
The more I think about it Dareus seems like a better pick than Fairley at #2 if they don't go with Peterson. I just don't know if Fairley is going to be a guy who can play at a weight where he's effective agaisnt the run consistently. Dareus looks more stout, like he'll hold up better.

Dareus is a stud and has been his whole career so far if we pass on him it will be a big mistake

strafen
02-28-2011, 10:48 PM
I think the pick is going to come down to these 3, and we will have our choice because I believe Gabbert or Newton is going to Carolina.

Peterson / Dareus / Bowers

in my eyes Dareus separates himself from Fairley from not only his performance at the combine but overall hes more consistent and more of what you look for in the DT position.

Peterson is just a freak of nature at DB, I know he hasn't run yet but anything under 4.4 from a DB that size with those kind of ball skills would be amazing.

Bowers hasn't ran but will at his pro day, thats going to be interesting I think Bowers is the least likely to be drafted by us because we have Ayers and Doom and we are better off selecting a different need position in the first round, but Bowers has great ability and hes a big high character guy and it wouldn't shock me totally if we drafted him.


who it won't be:
Robert Quinn - Missed a whole year, had an okay combine but didn't meet expectations.
Von Miller -Too much of a risk to select as a 4-3 OLB in my eyes, leave him for the 3-4 teams that need a rush linebacker.
Nick Fairley - Too risky, a definite boom or bust guy but we can't afford a bust
a QB - Obvious reasons

The more I follow the combine, the more I'm convinced Dareus should be the man for us.
Played for Alabama's ever solid defense of the last few years.

Kaylore
03-01-2011, 09:23 AM
So Peterson just ran a 4.32...

Broncoman13
03-01-2011, 09:51 AM
So Peterson just ran a 4.32...

So officially he is at a 4.40???

gyldenlove
03-01-2011, 09:51 AM
Damn, Peterson, Smith and Amakamura all ran sub 4.40 times.

TheReverend
03-01-2011, 09:57 AM
So Peterson just ran a 4.32...

:approve:

(my smug face)

meangene
03-01-2011, 09:57 AM
One thing that really got driven home watching the combine is how poor the safety class is this year. Moore is rated number one almost by default.

Archer81
03-01-2011, 09:59 AM
Damn, Peterson, Smith and Amakamura all ran sub 4.40 times.


As did this guy named Skrine (pronounced screen).


:Broncos:

underrated29
03-01-2011, 10:07 AM
As did this guy named Skrine (pronounced screen).


:Broncos:




skrine blew it away.


I believe he put up a 4.29!!!

Archer81
03-01-2011, 10:12 AM
skrine blew it away.


I believe he put up a 4.29!!!


Its insane. 4.29 his first run, 4.37 his second and he stumbled a bit out of the gate. Dude has wheels. 155 tackles and 5 int's at chattanooga. Not bad for a corner.


:Broncos:

Old Dude
03-01-2011, 10:37 AM
Its insane. 4.29 his first run, 4.37 his second and he stumbled a bit out of the gate. Dude has wheels. 155 tackles and 5 int's at chattanooga. Not bad for a corner.


:Broncos:

Looks like he'll be a Raider then.