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Bronco Vixen
02-21-2011, 03:46 PM
If the new labor deal does not address this, I don't know how either side can live with themselves.

Here's an idea, forget about the expanded game season and put the extra cash that the players are demanding to cover those games and that the owners would like to take off the top prior to revenue sharing and agree to set up a legitimate medical fund for former players that would include adequate insurance coverage. Doesn't really seem like that much when you think about how these guys have sacrificed for the game, our entertainment, and the owner's bank accounts.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-dwyre-20110222,0,3944525.column

Chris
02-21-2011, 04:50 PM
Wow.

Shananahan
02-21-2011, 04:50 PM
The article you posted makes it sound like the only reason he committed suicide was so he could have his brain studied, and praises the bravery and significance of that while ignoring all of the other factors involved.

Now, Duerson has raised the stakes. He has apparently martyred himself for a cause. Yeah, let's not distort the facts and run with it or anything.

From another article (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/3890736-417/ex-bear-dave-duerson-found-dead.html) about his death:

After his NFL career ended, the Muncie, Ind., native ran a company that sold meat to fast food restaurants. Things began to unravel in 2006 when he pled guilty to a misdemeanor domestic battery charge, prompting him to resign from Notre Dame’s Board of Trustees.

In 2007, his company was forced into receivership, he lost his longtime Highland Park residence to foreclosure and he filed for a divorce from his wife of 24 years.

I'm not trying to start an argument with you about taking care of ex-players and the benefits they do/do not receive, I just really don't like the slant and tone of the link in the first post.

bowtown
02-21-2011, 05:04 PM
Meh. They willingly signed contracts, made money and chose their carreer. I have a hard time siding with the old guys who retroactively want more money.

broncocalijohn
02-21-2011, 05:59 PM
The article you posted makes it sound like the only reason he committed suicide was so he could have his brain studied, and praises the bravery and significance of that while ignoring all of the other factors involved.

Yeah, let's not distort the facts and run with it or anything.

From another article (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/3890736-417/ex-bear-dave-duerson-found-dead.html) about his death:



I'm not trying to start an argument with you about taking care of ex-players and the benefits they do/do not receive, I just really don't like the slant and tone of the link in the first post.

While I agree more needs to be done with ex players and medical benefits, you mentioned the LA TIMES for the slanted story. Live out here and you can see it everyday. LA TIMES is a complete joke of a paper. I would buy it only to line a bird cage.

Chris
02-21-2011, 06:14 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=6141129

serious hops
02-21-2011, 06:26 PM
The title lead me to believe this would be a thread about our defense. . .

El Minion
02-21-2011, 06:50 PM
The article you posted makes it sound like the only reason he committed suicide was so he could have his brain studied, and praises the bravery and significance of that while ignoring all of the other factors involved.

Yeah, let's not distort the facts and run with it or anything.

From another article (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/3890736-417/ex-bear-dave-duerson-found-dead.html) about his death:



I'm not trying to start an argument with you about taking care of ex-players and the benefits they do/do not receive, I just really don't like the slant and tone of the link in the first post.

Yes indeed, other factors involved to possibly explain his past behavior. Via wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dementia_pugilistica) from a UCLA study (http://baywood.metapress.com/app/home/contribution.asp?referrer=parent&backto=issue,3,6;journal,63,159;linkingpublication results,1:300314,1).

Patients with Dementia Pugilistica may be prone to inappropriate or explosive behavior and may display pathological jealousy or paranoia.

Shananahan
02-21-2011, 07:45 PM
How much would it suck to be the doctor studying the brain and find no sign of the problem?

broncosteven
02-21-2011, 08:02 PM
The article you posted makes it sound like the only reason he committed suicide was so he could have his brain studied, and praises the bravery and significance of that while ignoring all of the other factors involved.

Yeah, let's not distort the facts and run with it or anything.

From another article (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/3890736-417/ex-bear-dave-duerson-found-dead.html) about his death:



I'm not trying to start an argument with you about taking care of ex-players and the benefits they do/do not receive, I just really don't like the slant and tone of the link in the first post.

Wasn't there also a girl friend incident?

He used to be on The Score all the time, check this out:

http://www.nflgridirongab.com/2007/06/13/iron-mike-hangs-up-on-duerson/

I thought Duerson called out a bear or Nortre Dame player for beating on his wife/gf then he got busted for the same thing a few weeks or month later. He was publicly humiliated and fired from his radio gigs. I think they had him on AM1000 from time to time mostly to talk Notre Dame football but that stopped after he beat his wife. It was like he was banished from Chicago airwaves.

Very sad, I hope he can find peace now.

Bronco Vixen
02-21-2011, 09:05 PM
I'm not trying to start an argument with you about taking care of ex-players and the benefits they do/do not receive, I just really don't like the slant and tone of the link in the first post.

Fair enough, and one can certainly have their issues with the source of the story - slanted it is. But it is my opinion that a slant on this topic should not overshadow or prevent people from starting to acknowledge the very real and growing evidence linking head injury with the alarmingly skewed incidence of amyo-trophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) & Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE), which demonstrates similar neuropathology to Alzheimer's. Not to mention the outrageously statistically significant increases in psychiatric symptomatology, including depression, conduct disorder, and substance abuse. If it leads just one person to look up the research being published by the Boston University's Center for the Study of Traumatic Encephalopathy (CSTE) it will have accomplished something. These are extremely significant findings in very respected scientific journals (JAMA) that until recently have not been given the press they deserve. So perhaps a little slant is needed.

It is uncomfortable to think about - I get it. I like watching these guys blow each up just as much as the next person. The dissonance that causes while also knowing at what potential cost to them, is not easy to reconcile. But I think it is dismissive to simply state that they "signed up for this" so it's not something we should at least attempt to talk about. We evolve if we let ourselves ask, contemplate and hypothesize about uncomfortable questions. What is so wrong with starting to look at the evidence and really making an honest effort to move forward with a reasonable outlook with treatment, and perhaps prevention, given the growing evidence.

They may not find any pathology in his brain. He was not a perfect citizen - to what extent any pathology secondary to repeated head injury contributed to his imperfections is also unknown. Slanted take or not, this man was clearly suffering.

Pat Bowlen
02-21-2011, 10:06 PM
Well, now that we've all agreed this has nothing to do with football, let's get this thread moved to wherever it belongs.

maven
02-21-2011, 10:13 PM
Doesn't really seem like that much when you think about how these guys have sacrificed for the game, our entertainment, and the owner's bank accounts.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-dwyre-20110222,0,3944525.column

Players today can make over 9 figures...

Mediator12
02-22-2011, 07:26 AM
Meh. They willingly signed contracts, made money and chose their carreer. I have a hard time siding with the old guys who retroactively want more money.

Really?!? You have a hard time siding with players who gave everything to a game they loved and did not really know the risks? They played for love, not outrageous amounts of money that could last them a lifetime. I side with the owners on a lot of financial stuff, but the NFLPA is a sham because of the way they represent their former players or lack of representation. These are the men who built the game, and now they are depreciated assets to the NFLPA.

alkemical
02-22-2011, 08:33 AM
Lettuce was $3 a head. I'm not too concerned @ the moment with the NFL. Actually, if the NFL strikes it sort of will push me away from the NFL. Just too much about business.

Jason in LA
02-22-2011, 08:33 AM
Can "Dave Duerson's suicide" be added to the title of this thread? The thread title or original post does not say what this thread is about. I didn't know what the topic was until I clicked the link.

bendog
02-22-2011, 10:37 AM
The owners **** in their own bed by following Jones in building temples to try and get non shared revenue. With a few exceptions, oday's players don't give a **** about the former players or really the fans. What made the NFL america's game was shared revenue and guys like Duerson who never made enough money to never need a second career.

Bronco Vixen
05-02-2011, 01:05 PM
"Dave Duerson had classic pathology of CTE and no evidence of any other disease," McKee said, "and he has severe involvement of all the (brain) structures that affect things like judgment, inhibition, impulse control, mood and memory."

The body of Duerson, who was 50, was found in Sunny Isles Beach, Fla., on Feb. 17. He left a note asking that his brain be given to the NFL's Brain Bank. He shot himself in the chest, "presumably" to preserve his brain for study, said Chris Nowinski, co-director of the CSTE.

Duerson's case was "moderately advanced," said McKee, also a CSTE co-director. "The likelihood is that if he hadn't had the CTE, he wouldn't have developed those symptoms that he was experiencing at the end of his life and perhaps he wouldn't have been compelled to end his life."

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=6465271

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/cbsports-study-duerson-had-brain-damage-at-time-of-suicide-20110502,0,5948939.story

Garcia Bronco
05-02-2011, 01:59 PM
I don't agree that its the NFL's job to take care of former players. Its their own job to take care of themselves based on a personal choice they made.

That One Guy
05-02-2011, 03:34 PM
Really?!? You have a hard time siding with players who gave everything to a game they loved and did not really know the risks? They played for love, not outrageous amounts of money that could last them a lifetime. I side with the owners on a lot of financial stuff, but the NFLPA is a sham because of the way they represent their former players or lack of representation. These are the men who built the game, and now they are depreciated assets to the NFLPA.

So despite there being consitently more protection for these people over the years, you think they didn't know there were longterm consequences in what they were doing?

Sorry Jack, you make your bed and you sleep in it.