Hillary's hollow Afghan speech

[Boomhauer]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12508074
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has warned Taliban fighters in Afghanistan that they face a stark choice between war and peace, as US military pressure on them mounts. "They cannot defeat us. And they cannot escape this choice," Mrs Clinton said in a speech in New York.
The US plans to begin withdrawing troops from Afghanistan this summer, with full withdrawal expected by 2014. ...

Seems she got that backwards. The US has not defeated the Taliban, al-Qaeda or divided them and the US faces the choice of endless war or peace through withdrawl in the region. The US has already chosen the white flag and the article goes on to describe how anyone willing to put their weapons down long enough for the US to leave will be paid. To date, this bidding war strategy has enriched the Taliban and will continue as the US retreats.

Once home, the threat that sent us to Afganistan in the first place remains, but now with greater funding, legitimized political structure and experience defeating the US, just as they did the Soviets. Ten years and nothing but trillions of dollars gone and dead troops to show for it. Let's all give a round of sarcastic applause for the State Department and their structure and policies of failure.

[peacepipe]

you think her speech is hollow? SHOCKING!

[ghwk]

Why we think we can have a different outcome there than the Russians did after 7 years of doing the same thing is beyond me unless we arevwilling to be there for the next 50 years.

[Garcia Bronco]

i bet today, old hillary, wished she hadn't folded like a cheap suit at the convention.

[peacepipe]

i bet today, old hillary, wished she hadn't folded like a cheap suit at the convention.she lost the primary,its as simple as that.

now I bet she wishes that had she went into the primary with the attitude of winning it as opposed to the attitude that it was a given/entitlement that she may have actually won but I doubt even then she would've succeeded.

[mhgaffney]

The US is not leaving Iraq -- and we are not leaving Afghanistan either.

The power elite can't let go of all that oil -- and all that heroin - which is the easiest money Wall Street ever made.

[Odysseus]

http://www.understandingwar.org/report/talibans-campaign-kandahar

[epicSocialism4tw]

i bet today, old hillary, wished she hadn't folded like a cheap suit at the convention.

Wrong.

She folded like a cheap pants suit. ;)

[cutthemdown]

The war was lost when they decided to fight it with small arms. You don't win a war by sending foot soldiers in with small arms. You send them in with tanks and bombs dropping everywhere.

Once you decide the civilian population if more important then winning, or your own troops, the insurgency has won.

Obama and Gates decided this war was over a long time ago. These last operations were for show only and got a bunch of our troops killed. Once you give a withdraw date you have already decided. Why even fight past that point.

Better just to tell the Taliban to enjoy what power they get. But also until they denounce bin laden and Al Queda a drone may blow you up anywhere at any time.

Then bring our troops home. Tell them when we come back, if you make us come back, we come back with weapons so big, that will drop for so long, there will be nothing left.

We can punish these piss ant countries without laying one foot on the ground. You just have to be willing to blow up civilians. You can't win a war and worry about the other sides civilians. We would have lost ww2 had we done that.

[cutthemdown]

The US is not leaving Iraq -- and we are not leaving Afghanistan either.

The power elite can't let go of all that oil -- and all that heroin - which is the easiest money Wall Street ever made.

We won't leave but we can draw down the combat operations and bring most of the troops home. Hell leaving would be stupid. Why would we leave?

[JJJ]

The US is not leaving Iraq -- and we are not leaving Afghanistan either.

The power elite can't let go of all that oil -- and all that heroin - which is the easiest money Wall Street ever made.

Finally you are making some sense. The first sentence anyways.

Why would you fight these wars, make the progress that has been made, and then simply fold up and go home?

Reduce the troop count in Japan and Germany if you must but hold the forts in the middle east, the most volatile place on the globe. Troops need to be where the conflicts are most likely to happen. Sorry that is just the way it is.

[mhgaffney]

Progress?

Hold the fort?

You must be out of your frickin' mind.

The only people who have benefited from these wars are the banksters and industralists, the Blackwaters and Haliburtons.

Everyone else is a loser here. Including you and me. Which is why you ought to be outraged.

The banksters are using your money and my money to fight these wars to control the resources of central Asia -- oil, gas minerals etc.

Not because we need the resources. In most cases we do not. The power elite is trying to control China, India and Russia.

They have lied to you about the real reason for the wars. If they admitted the truth Americans would refuse to fight.

Why would you want to fight for Wall Street? It makes no sense.

We have much more in common with the people of Iraq and Afghanistan than with the bankers - who are totally corrupted by greed and power. In fact they are evil -- and should be brought to justice for their crimes.

Instead, you clowns cheer them on. Its unbelievable. There's no limit.

[orinjkrush]

i bet today, old hillary, wished she hadn't folded like a cheap suit at the convention.

agree. she's just going through the motions while her career ambitions churn inside.

[epicSocialism4tw]

agree. she's just going through the motions while her career ambitions churn inside.

She has said recently that this will be her last public service job.

She may be Brett Favre-ing everbody, but who knows.

[cutthemdown]

She has said recently that this will be her last public service job.

She may be Brett Favre-ing everbody, but who knows.

Its classic clinton. She will resign at some point. She will say I wished I could have been president, I had some good ideas, but I have done a lot of public service and have other goals i want to achieve or some BS. Then she chills for a couple yrs.

Then when she does plan her comeback it will start with a "grassroots" movement to recruit her out of retirement.

[Boomhauer]

She has said recently that this will be her last public service job.

She may be Brett Favre-ing everbody, but who knows.

Doubtful. Her agendas as a first lady were a failure. Her husband thought it was better to look elsewhere. She scammed her way into a Sen. job and failed at that. She claimed herslef the entitled winner of the Demo nomination and failed. Now she's the biggest failure at Sec of State in decades.

If she looks for a job after this, she'll Patrick Ramsey-ing someone.

[Boomhauer]

We won't leave but we can draw down the combat operations and bring most of the troops home. Hell leaving would be stupid. Why would we leave?

We could always leave and launch strikes from next door, until the Paki's give us the boot.

[Odysseus]

We could always leave and launch strikes from next door, until the Paki's give us the boot.

The problem in Afghanistan are the borders really don't exist. Where Pakistan begins and Iran ends is a blurred as the whole question what is an Afghan. I don't know if the statistics on refugees are accurate because for all practical purposes some of the people might have just decided to move.

Afghans locally did not know how to speak English when the soldiers arrived. Right now you are finding 20 year old men who are speaking English and want to be free of the Inman's influence. This is part of the undocumented change that America has brought to this country.

We need to maintain a foothold in Afghanistan but do it correctly.

[mhgaffney]

Correctly?

Hmmm.. that's a bit difficult to fathom.

How do you maintain a "correct foothold" in a nation you militarily invaded?

[Odysseus]

Correctly?

Hmmm.. that's a bit difficult to fathom.

How do you maintain a "correct foothold" in a nation you militarily invaded?

I would like to hear your opinion on this question.

[orinjkrush]

The problem in Afghanistan are the borders really don't exist. Where Pakistan begins and Iran ends is a blurred as the whole question what is an Afghan. I don't know if the statistics on refugees are accurate because for all practical purposes some of the people might have just decided to move.

Afghans locally did not know how to speak English when the soldiers arrived. Right now you are finding 20 year old men who are speaking English and want to be free of the Inman's influence. This is part of the undocumented change that America has brought to this country.

We need to maintain a foothold in Afghanistan but do it correctly.

interesting observations, thanks

[cutthemdown]

Every US soldier killed since Obama decided he was going to pull out has been a waste. Obama and Gates have lost this war unless they start dropping bigger bombs and using heavier armor and air support.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Every US soldier killed since Obama decided he was going to pull out has been a waste. Obama and Gates have lost this war unless they start dropping bigger bombs and using heavier armor and air support.

Nuke them? Maybe?

[Odysseus]

Every US soldier killed since Obama decided he was going to pull out has been a waste. Obama and Gates have lost this war unless they start dropping bigger bombs and using heavier armor and air support.

The would be Cat in the hat bad. (This is for JJJ) Do you remember when no matter what the Cat in the hat did the house got pinker and pinker and pinker. Yeah. Kind of like that.

[Odysseus]

Correctly?

Hmmm.. that's a bit difficult to fathom.

How do you maintain a "correct foothold" in a nation you militarily invaded?

(This is for W*GS) What would the Jews do?

[Boomhauer]

Every US soldier killed since Obama decided he was going to pull out has been a waste. Obama and Gates have lost this war unless they start dropping bigger bombs and using heavier armor and air support.

Haven't payed much attention to Afghanistan, have you. The biggest mistake made in Afgahanistan was once Hilary took over. Up until than McCrystal had a very good working relation with Karzi(sp?) and oversaw military action as well as black funding to bolster an economy of corruption and our enemies.

Hildo's bright idea was to bring in 'her' representitives that got doors slammed in their face, kicked out of the country and all diolague ended. At the same time, McCrystal was pulled and Pertraus brought in for the stepped up campaign. If anyone remembers, that was when Karzi said he'd rather join the Taliban than work with the US.

While Pertraus has done what he does best - run full tilt through rural Afghanistan including flattening villages with artilery rather than clear them door-to-door through boobytraps and snipers - it was Hildo's decisions that 'lost' the war. Without the support from Afghan political and security forces the US payed for, the militants freely left the countryside and entered the cities. You may have noticed the drastic increase in city violence, especially at locations/times forigners and contractors visit.

Before Hildo, no security improvements were made in Afghanistan while we enriched and empowered the corrupt and villanous to pursue a white whale named al-Quada. Since she took over, the price of tempory cooperation has shot up, as has the civilian death toll of all parties, and any future relation between our countries has ended.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Haven't payed much attention to Afghanistan, have you. The biggest mistake made in Afgahanistan was once Hilary took over. Up until than McCrystal had a very good working relation with Karzi(sp?) and oversaw military action as well as black funding to bolster an economy of corruption and our enemies.

Hildo's bright idea was to bring in 'her' representitives that got doors slammed in their face, kicked out of the country and all diolague ended. At the same time, McCrystal was pulled and Pertraus brought in for the stepped up campaign. If anyone remembers, that was when Karzi said he'd rather join the Taliban than work with the US.

While Pertraus has done what he does best - run full tilt through rural Afghanistan including flattening villages with artilery rather than clear them door-to-door through boobytraps and snipers - it was Hildo's decisions that 'lost' the war. Without the support from Afghan political and security forces the US payed for, the militants freely left the countryside and entered the cities. You may have noticed the drastic increase in city violence, especially at locations/times forigners and contractors visit.

Before Hildo, no security improvements were made in Afghanistan while we enriched and empowered the corrupt and villanous to pursue a white whale named al-Quada. Since she took over, the price of tempory cooperation has shot up, as has the civilian death toll of all parties, and any future relation between our countries has ended.

We'll be back with more Rush Limbaugh after this.