Milwaukee average city teacher salary tops $100 K

[Pony Boy]

Milwaukee average city teacher salary tops $100,000.

Milwaukee Public Schools closed for Friday due to high number of absentee calls from teachers

[Milwaukee, Wisconsin] MacIver News Service – For the first time in history, the average annual compensation for a teacher in the Milwaukee Public School system will exceed $100,000.

That staggering figure was revealed last night at a meeting of the MPS School Board.

The average salary for an MPS teacher is $56,500. When fringe benefits are factored in, the annual compensation will be $100,005 in 2011.

MacIver’s Bill Osmulski has more in this video report.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/report-average-city-teacher-salary-tops-100000/

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[Garcia Bronco]

Teachers nee to get paid, but damn...for 9 months or work? That's total compensation and not take home pay, though.

[Pony Boy]

Teachers nee to get paid, but damn...for 9 months or work? That's total compensation and not take home pay, though.

The problem is the state is broke and they want more.....and the performance standard is poor.

[baja]

The problem is the state is broke and they want more.....and the performance standard is poor.

Let the corporations pay for schooling K-12 after all the curriculum is all about learning to become a good little corporate soldier.

[Garcia Bronco]

Let the corporations pay for schooling K-12 after all the curriculum is all about learning to become a good little corporate soldier.

No it's not.

[baja]

No it's not.

Sure it is. Think about it!

[cutthemdown]

I'm all for unions being able to form, but the state should also be able to say you don't show up to work, well we have 1000 open teaching jobs etc etc. I guess these teachers afraid to compete in a real marketplace.

[peacepipe]

they deserve more. this should be good publicity to bring in more qualified teachers. being a teacher isn't charity work.

[ant1999e]

they deserve more. this should be good publicity to bring in more qualified teachers. being a teacher isn't charity work.

Come on. 100k in compensation per year for 9 months of work.

[Fedaykin]

So, an 8-9 figure salary + golden parachute is A-OK for attracting CEO "talent", but a 6 figure compensation package (5 figure take home) for a teacher is a bad thing.

Interesting priorities (and hypocrisy) there. Hell, a $100,000 compensation package isn't really that big a deal these days due to inflation. That's pretty much the mean compensation for any job which requires post-secondary education that includes benefits like 401k, health, etc.

[mosca]

Well said, Fedaykin. If anyone should be well paid, it is teachers. Accordingly, they should be held to a high standard.

[spdirty]

So, an 8-9 figure salary + golden parachute is A-OK for attracting CEO "talent", but a 6 figure compensation package (5 figure take home) for a teacher is a bad thing.

Interesting priorities (and hypocrisy) there. Hell, a $100,000 compensation package isn't really that big a deal these days due to inflation. That's pretty much the mean compensation for any job which requires post-secondary education that includes benefits like 401k, health, etc.

Hey, Id love to offer $100,000 plus 401K, health, etc. for the best, brightest and toughest hands, but guess what...I CAN'T AFFORD IT! WTF MAKES YOU THINK THESE GUYS CAN??

[Boomhauer]

$100k seems like a lot for 9months of daycare and distributing predetermined curriculum to 5-18yr olds. While I agree a good teacher is priceless, I can count the number of good teachers I had from K-12 on my toes. The rest were sub-quality with added job security and should receive equivilant pay or about ~30k including benefits.

[orinjkrush]

Bob Nardelli, CEO Home Depot, made $133M in 2006 salary. (133,000,000). I bet 1330 teachers are really more valuable to the USA.

[TailgateNut]

they deserve more. this should be good publicity to bring in more qualified teachers. being a teacher isn't charity work.

You are certifiable. Crazy, that is.

[Fedaykin]

$100k seems like a lot for 9months of daycare and distributing predetermined curriculum to 5-18yr olds. While I agree a good teacher is priceless, I can count the number of good teachers I had from K-12 on my toes. The rest were sub-quality with added job security and should receive equivilant pay or about ~30k including benefits.

So, you think offering poverty level wages is going to attract better teachers?

[Fedaykin]

Hey, Id love to offer $100,000 plus 401K, health, etc. for the best, brightest and toughest hands, but guess what...I CAN'T AFFORD IT! WTF MAKES YOU THINK THESE GUYS CAN??

a.) It's not 100K + benefits, it's 100k WITH benefits. 56k take home. Reading Comprehension, practice it.

b.) 100K with benefits is hardly a large sum (like I said, about average for the skill level required). If Milwaukee is struggling, there's a lot more fat to trim else ware in areas that are actually overpaid or misappropriated.

[Garcia Bronco]

Sure it is. Think about it!

only in your nut job amesj world .:p

[Garcia Bronco]

a.) It's not 100K + benefits, it's 100k WITH benefits. 56k take home. Reading Comprehension, practice it.

b.) 100K with benefits is hardly a large sum (like I said, about average for the skill level required). If Milwaukee is struggling, there's a lot more fat to trim else ware in areas that are actually overpaid or misappropriated.

wrong..those beneies are way out of whack for a taxpayer funded salary to teach or administer the school.

[Garcia Bronco]

Bob Nardelli, CEO Home Depot, made $133M in 2006 salary. (133,000,000). I bet 1330 teachers are really more valuable to the USA.

cool. All the need to do is run homedepot.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Bob Nardelli, CEO Home Depot, made $133M in 2006 salary. (133,000,000). I bet 1330 teachers are really more valuable to the USA.

Bob Nardelli and others like him have so much more responsibility than teachers that its not even a comparable position.

Nardelli is literally responsible for the livelyhood of 364,000 people in the United States, and for bringing products to millions of people, including thousands of construction workers, carpenters, wood workers, gardeners, installers, demolition crews, etc, etc.

If we want good teachers with high pay, we should require that all teachers have graduate degrees. Graduate degrees from competitive grad school environments with highly competitive admissions. We should also pitch tenure out the window.

[Boomhauer]

So, you think offering poverty level wages is going to attract better teachers?

No. I think fair pay for performance will attract better teachers and eliminate the substandard ones. The Teacher's Union, like all public sector unions, prevents this. As to the ratio of quality vs substandard teachers a school district employes would than depend on budget, as opposed to going bankrupt with almost all substandard teachers like they are now.

[peacepipe]

wrong..those beneies are way out of whack for a taxpayer funded salary to teach or administer the school.

it's not out whack,taxpayers always bitch about poor teachers,well the best way to start fixing that problem is to attract better talent. better talent don't work cheap.

[epicSocialism4tw]

it's not out whack,taxpayers always b**** about poor teachers,well the best way to start fixing that problem is to attract better talent. better talent don't work cheap.

Ha!

Yeah thats it. Pay the crappy teachers more.

Hilarious!

[peacepipe]

No. I think fair pay for performance will attract better teachers and eliminate the substandard ones. The Teacher's Union, like all public sector unions, prevents this. As to the ratio of quality vs substandard teachers a school district employes would than depend on budget, as opposed to going bankrupt with almost all substandard teachers like they are now.30k ain't ****. not even close to being a "fair wage"

[epicSocialism4tw]

30k ain't ****. not even close to being a "fair wage"

The lowest teacher pay I have seen is 37K with benefits.

In places with high cost of living they make more. In places with a low cost of living they likely make less.

[Requiem]

The lowest teacher pay I have seen is 37K with benefits.

In places with high cost of living they make more. In places with a low cost of living they likely make less.

I've seen teachers making ~26k a year and getting benefits.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I've seen teachers making ~26k a year and getting benefits.

Probably in a small town, right?

Private school teachers also get paid less than public school teachers, but private school teachers love the environment so much that those jobs are rarely ever open....people never leave them.

[baja]

only in your nut job amesj world .:p

Really? Let's look at it;

History teaches nationalism which leads to loyalty.

Math teaches basic functionality in the work place.

English teaches interactive skills between workers.

Social Studies teaches the rules of society one must play by.

Science teaches the current belief system


Where are the classes teaching health maintenance skills and strategies ?

Where are the classes teaching parenting?

Where are the classes teaching compassion for one another?

Where are the classes instilling self confidence and self respect?

Where are the classes undoing the damage done by parents that never learned to be parents because their school never taught it either?

[Dukes]

So, an 8-9 figure salary + golden parachute is A-OK for attracting CEO "talent", but a 6 figure compensation package (5 figure take home) for a teacher is a bad thing.

Interesting priorities (and hypocrisy) there. Hell, a $100,000 compensation package isn't really that big a deal these days due to inflation. That's pretty much the mean compensation for any job which requires post-secondary education that includes benefits like 401k, health, etc.

You'd be hard pressed to find a single person to disagree with you when the state is in the black. But its not.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Really? Let's look at it;

History teaches nationalism which leads to loyalty.

Math teaches basic functionality in the work place.

English teaches interactive skills between workers.

Social Studies teaches the rules of society one must play by.

Science teaches the current belief system


Where are the classes teaching health maintenance skills and stradigy?

Where are the classes teaching parenting?

Where are the classes teaching compassion for one another?

Where are the classes instilling self confidence and self respect?

Where are the classes undoing the damage done by parents that never learned to be parents because their school never taught it either?

Those things arent the job of the public school system.

Those things are the job of the parents, aunts, uncles, grandmas, grandpas, friends, coaches, counselors, the church, the mosque, the synagogue, the coven, and the whatever.

I dont want the dad gum public school system teaching my family anything other than workplace skills.

The last thing I want is a kid indoctrinated with secular humanistic gobbledeygook by crappy teachers...leaving them with such a horrifically deformed (by liberal beauracracy) worldview that they couldnt think their way out of a wet paper sack.

[Garcia Bronco]

it's not out whack,taxpayers always b**** about poor teachers,well the best way to start fixing that problem is to attract better talent. better talent don't work cheap.

lol...talent. while I am sure there are good teachers and bad teachers..we're talking about getting a kid to read a book, memorize things, and pass a test.

[peacepipe]

lol...talent. while I am sure there are good teachers and bad teachers..we're talking about getting a kid to read a book, memorize things, and pass a test.which is done by a great talent/teacher.if it was so easy there wouldn't be a problem with the education system.

[baja]

Those things arent the job of the public school system.

Those things are the job of the parents, aunts, uncles, grandmas, grandpas, friends, coaches, counselors, the church, the mosque, the synagogue, the coven, and the whatever.

I dont want the dad gum public school system teaching my family anything other than workplace skills.

The last thing I want is a kid indoctrinated with secular humanistic gobbledeygook by crappy teachers...leaving them with such a horrifically deformed (by liberal beauracracy) worldview that they couldnt think their way out of a wet paper sack.

We were talking earlier about truth found in the bible for those that have eyes to see. Thy this one on, "The sins of the father shall be passed to the son"

[Garcia Bronco]

which is done by a great talent/teacher.if it was so easy there wouldn't be a problem with the education system.

I'd argue it doesn't actually matter. We spend more money per student than just about every industrialized nation and do not yield the best results.

[Requiem]

Probably in a small town, right?

Private school teachers also get paid less than public school teachers, but private school teachers love the environment so much that those jobs are rarely ever open....people never leave them.

Yep, but that seems to be the going average across where I lived (SD, ND, some places in MN) -- perhaps a little bit higher (~30-35k) and to be quite honest, that is not bad money to live off at all in this part of the country.

[baja]

Hillary got one right, "It takes a village to raise a child."

[epicSocialism4tw]

Yep, but that seems to be the going average across where I lived (SD, ND, some places in MN) -- perhaps a little bit higher (~30-35k) and to be quite honest, that is not bad money to live off at all in this part of the country.

My girlfriend is a teacher.

In her home town, teachers make considerably less than they do here. But there, you can buy a beautiful house on a great plot for around 100K. You just have to drive 30 minutes to get to a Barnes and Noble or a Chili's and live with people who may not have been further from their town than about a 100-mile radius. Which isnt a horrible situation to be in, but its challenging in its own right.

[ElwayMD]

lol...talent. while I am sure there are good teachers and bad teachers..we're talking about getting a kid to read a book, memorize things, and pass a test.

If only it was that simple. Step into my classroom and tell me I'm just getting a kid to read a book, memorize things, and pass a test. I wish that was all I had to do. I'll let my principal know I'm doing too much.

That being said the cost of living can't be as high as it is in NOVA (northern Virginia for those who don't know the lingo). So a 50k+ salary isn't bad at all. The teachers in Wisconsin need a little perspective and realize they still would be paying less for their benefits than the average citizen does. For the past two years my school district has had a pay freeze so that they could readjust their budget and get things under control. Teachers were unhappy but we didn't march and demand our money, we let the district figure things out. Now lo and behold we are getting our pay raises and a cost of living bonus. Instead the teachers in Wisconsin are flipping their **** and acting like children instead of thinking it over and realizing the fixing the budget will help them in the long run.

[Requiem]

Pay teachers in goods not money.

[epicSocialism4tw]

If only it was that simple. Step into my classroom and tell me I'm just getting a kid to read a book, memorize things, and pass a test. I wish that was all I had to do. I'll let my principal know I'm doing too much.

That being said the cost of living can't be as high as it is in NOVA (northern Virginia for those who don't know the lingo). So a 50k+ salary isn't bad at all. The teachers in Wisconsin need a little perspective and realize they still would be paying less for their benefits than the average citizen does. For the past two years my school district has had a pay freeze so that they could readjust their budget and get things under control. Teachers were unhappy but we didn't march and demand our money, we let the district figure things out. Now lo and behold we are getting our pay raises and a cost of living bonus. Instead the teachers in Wisconsin are flipping their **** and acting like children instead of thinking it over and realizing the fixing the budget will help them in the long run.

I dont think that its just teachers doing this.

The Democratic National Committee (the organization that plans all of the Democrats' national election campaigns) is organizing this protest.

This is nothing more than the democratic party's attempt to protect not only teachers unions, but every union that has contributed large sums of money to their campaigns.

This is the first major budget cut that has come down the pike. So the dems get their unions to call all of their members in the country and tells them to hop on a union-funded bus and head up to Wisconsin.

The Democrats are trying to kill this now, so that when congress starts trimming the budget that they can paint the republicans as the "Mubaraks" in an "Egypt" situation.

This stuff is all propped up to stage the debate in congress over cutting funding in the way that the democratic party wants it staged.

You guys watch. There will be more protests with Union members grandstanding in front of crowds to get on the news...to present "compelling" images for stories about people rising up to combat the evil republicans.

The whole thing is beyond ridiculous. Its hard to believe that anyone buys what these people are doing.

[Garcia Bronco]

If only it was that simple. Step into my classroom and tell me I'm just getting a kid to read a book, memorize things, and pass a test. I wish that was all I had to do. I'll let my principal know I'm doing too much.

That being said the cost of living can't be as high as it is in NOVA (northern Virginia for those who don't know the lingo). So a 50k+ salary isn't bad at all. The teachers in Wisconsin need a little perspective and realize they still would be paying less for their benefits than the average citizen does. For the past two years my school district has had a pay freeze so that they could readjust their budget and get things under control. Teachers were unhappy but we didn't march and demand our money, we let the district figure things out. Now lo and behold we are getting our pay raises and a cost of living bonus. Instead the teachers in Wisconsin are flipping their **** and acting like children instead of thinking it over and realizing the fixing the budget will help them in the long run.

It's not that simple; however that is the tasks. I am a product of the Va Bch school system ans FUMA.

[Bronco Yoda]

SHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Pipe down you guy. The last thing I need is for my homeschooling wife to hear about 100k teachers. I'll never see my wallet again.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The problem is the state is broke and they want more.....and the performance standard is poor.

The problem is that right-wing know-nothings like you complain about teachers' salaries while turning a blind eye to travesties like multi-billion dollar annual subsidies for big business, etc., in state budgets.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Example from Washington State:

As a Seattle Times article points out, more than $6.5 billion of tax revenue is lost each year due to tax subsidies for business. The legislature does not consider these items in its budget deliberations. A full 88 percent of these subsidies do not have sunset provisions, and thus do not require regular review as a matter of law. The state’s Joint Legislative Committee reviews these tax expenditures only once in 10 years. A 60 percent vote in the legislature in required to repeal any of these subsidies.On the latest state budget:

The budget would eliminate basic health coverage (Apple Health) for 27,000 children and eliminate coverage for 66,000 poor people with the removal of the Basic Health plan. These cuts come Health and Human Services, where a total of $1.4 billion will be slashed. The proposal cuts $2.2 billion from K-12 education, $630.7 million from higher education, increases tuition for state colleges by 9-11 percent, eliminates pre-schooling help to 1,324 children, eliminates the Disability Lifeline Medical Plan affecting 21,000 low-income disabled adults, and eliminates the State Food Assistance Program for low-income legal immigrants.

Many of these same programs came under attack in the previous 2009-2011 budget, to the tune of $8.5 million in cuts to pre-school support, $800 million from K-12 education, $300 million from higher education. In health care, $990 million was cut, including a 42 percent reduction to Basic Health in addition to eliminating Apple Health for kids whose families have incomes between 250 and 300 percent of the federal poverty level. There was an overall $1.5 billion cut from Health and Human Services. What these figures clearly indicate is that, over the years, the assault on the most vulnerable people of the state is only becoming more savage.

[JJJ]

Really? Let's look at it;

History teaches nationalism which leads to loyalty.

Math teaches basic functionality in the work place.

English teaches interactive skills between workers.

Social Studies teaches the rules of society one must play by.

Science teaches the current belief system


Where are the classes teaching health maintenance skills and strategies ?

Where are the classes teaching parenting?

Where are the classes teaching compassion for one another?

Where are the classes instilling self confidence and self respect?

Where are the classes undoing the damage done by parents that never learned to be parents because their school never taught it either?

How much tequila have you had tonight?

Most of your questions are things that are parental responsibility. I liked how you blamed the bad parents on the bad schools, that was a clever bit of circular logic. Still quite disingenous.

By the way confidence and self-respect are gained by earning it through hard work and overcoming failure. Not giving out bad grades to raise someone's self-esteem leads to limp noodle children.

You guys are raising a bunch of wimps over there nowadays and the Chinese and Indians, and even the Euros, are going to rip you a new one.

[Boomhauer]

30k ain't ****. not even close to being a "fair wage"

It's what subsitutes get paid and there's not much difference in the quality of education received between a subsitute and a substandard full-timer. As others mentioned, some small towns pay that to full-time teachers.

I'm not saying every teacher should get that, only that it should be base pay. A teacher that takes a vested interest in delivering a solid education and personal development of the students is worth the $100k Wisconsin teachers average, but when you include 'filler' teachers and those fresh in or on the way out, the average should be much less. Community College professors should be paid even more, but most states grossly underfund that level of education, prefering to dump cash into the coffers of Universities that donate to their campaigns.

[elsid13]

They are not making 100K in salary.

"The average salary for an MPS teacher is $56,500. When fringe benefits are factored in, the annual compensation will be $100,005 in 2011."

Fringe includes - health care and retirement. I have always used following when figuring out cost to charge folks was salary X fringe multiplier (1.9 to 2.1) X GA X profit multiplier.

[Garcia Bronco]

They are not making 100K in salary.

"The average salary for an MPS teacher is $56,500. When fringe benefits are factored in, the annual compensation will be $100,005 in 2011."

Fringe includes - health care and retirement. I have always used following when figuring out cost to charge folks was salary X fringe multiplier (1.9 to 2.1) X GA X profit multiplier.

yes. It is average total compensation; its in the article. We get it:

[TailgateNut]

They are not making 100K in salary.

"The average salary for an MPS teacher is $56,500. When fringe benefits are factored in, the annual compensation will be $100,005 in 2011."

Fringe includes - health care and retirement. I have always used following when figuring out cost to charge folks was salary X fringe multiplier (1.9 to 2.1) X GA X profit multiplier.




And I use salary+ (salary * .37 taxes, fringe and ins)+ profit.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

They are not making 100K in salary.

"The average salary for an MPS teacher is $56,500. When fringe benefits are factored in, the annual compensation will be $100,005 in 2011."

Fringe includes - health care and retirement. I have always used following when figuring out cost to charge folks was salary X fringe multiplier (1.9 to 2.1) X GA X profit multiplier.

What?

You mean another republican distorted the facts?

Say it ain't so! ;)

[Boomhauer]

And I use salary+ (salary * .37 taxes, fringe and ins)+ profit.

Id due the number addin myself butt my education wasnt well cause the shcool spent the money payen worse teachers instead of given books for lerning and teaching me stuff.
I here Ameraca is fallen back in the world education and most collage seniors didt show any improvement in thinking after five years and it makes me think the teachers get payed to much but than Ed Fathead on the comcast peacock says its cause Bush hates me and wants to take my desk away.
Wood one of yous 'itolectual tipes' from the progressave educated towns in californication, new york or massachusettes let me now how I can join the protests for more teacher money? You says niser cars for them would help more of me and my friends to get the GED and cause you say your smart you must be rite.

[TailgateNut]

Id due the number addin myself butt my education wasnt well cause the shcool spent the money payen worse teachers instead of given books for lerning and teaching me stuff.
I here Ameraca is fallen back in the world education and most collage seniors didt show any improvement in thinking after five years and it makes me think the teachers get payed to much but than Ed Fathead on the comcast peacock says its cause Bush hates me and wants to take my desk away.
Wood one of yous 'itolectual tipes' from the progressave educated towns in californication, new york or massachusettes let me now how I can join the protests for more teacher money? You says niser cars for them would help more of me and my friends to get the GED and cause you say your smart you must be rite.

Don't worry, NASCAR starts soon. You'll be back in hog heaven, you ****ing REDNECK.

[davidtkd]

SAT/ACT rankings in states that DO NOT have collective bargaining. Wisconsin is #2.

Virginia (44th)
Texas (47th)
Georgia (48th)
North Carolina (49th)
South Carolina (50th)

for those who think we are crappy teachers here in WI. oh, and we are NOT asking for more money. As I told Garcia earlier, I am more than happy to pay more into my benefits.

[JJJ]

SAT/ACT rankings in states that DO NOT have collective bargaining. Wisconsin is #2.

Virginia (44th)
Texas (47th)
Geogia (48th)
North Carolina (49th)
South Carolina (50th)

for those who think we are crappy teachers here in WI. oh, and we are NOT asking for more money. As I told Garcia earlier, I am more than happy to pay more into my benefits.

You spelled Georgia wrong.

[davidtkd]

my bad jjj. Georgia

[davidtkd]

Interesting read.

http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/02/18/koch-brothers-behind-wisconsin-effort-to-kill-public-unions/

[baja]

How much tequila have you had tonight?

Most of your questions are things that are parental responsibility. I liked how you blamed the bad parents on the bad schools, that was a clever bit of circular logic. Still quite disingenous.

By the way confidence and self-respect are gained by earning it through hard work and overcoming failure. Not giving out bad grades to raise someone's self-esteem leads to limp noodle children.

You guys are raising a bunch of wimps over there nowadays and the Chinese and Indians, and even the Euros, are going to rip you a new one.

I had almost forgot people that think like you actually still exist. I won't even address your post. If I learned anything from the discussions during the Bush years it is that there is no reaching some people. You are further proof to me that life is completely subjective.

[JJJ]

Is this a good time to post the pictures of the signs of Walker portrayed as Hitler or the Death to Emperor Walker signs these folks are carrying around (or in some cases having their kids carry for them) while they shut down the state capitol?

Nah, why bother.

But these folks are just exercising their right to peaceful assembly right? So far. Yes.

This is a lefty union organized demonstration. I am going to bet dollar to donuts in the next three days there is some violence erupting at this thing.

[davidtkd]

But these folks are just exercising their right to peaceful assembly right? So far. Yes.

This is a lefty union organized demonstration. I am going to bet dollar to donuts in the next three days there is some violence erupting at this thing.

Let's hope there isn't any violence. I am heading down today have have been there over the past few days. An amazing (and very peaceful) scene.

[JJJ]

Let's hope there isn't any violence. I am heading down today have have been there over the past few days. An amazing (and very peaceful) scene.

Got your Walker as a Nazi sign ready yet?

[W*GS]

Republican "thinking"...

If Planned Parenthood gets defunded, teenage pregnancy and abortions go away.

If science is defunded, global warming goes away.

Now, if the DoD is cut, does al-Qaeda go away? Do the Chinese go away?

WTF are these idiots doing?

[ghwk]

cool. All the need to do is run homedepot.

Which is actually a s@@t load easier than being a teacher

[Garcia Bronco]

SAT/ACT rankings in states that DO NOT have collective bargaining. Wisconsin is #2.

Virginia (44th)
Texas (47th)
Georgia (48th)
North Carolina (49th)
South Carolina (50th)

for those who think we are crappy teachers here in WI. oh, and we are NOT asking for more money. As I told Garcia earlier, I am more than happy to pay more into my benefits.

No one said Wisconsin had bad teachers that I recall.

I think that's what will happen. You'll pay more for benefits and keep CBA rights for a while longer; but it'll end.

We are broke; and its either get something now or get nothing later plus have no job.

[ghwk]

Bob Nardelli and others like him have so much more responsibility than teachers that its not even a comparable position.

Nardelli is literally responsible for the livelyhood of 364,000 people in the United States, and for bringing products to millions of people, including thousands of construction workers, carpenters, wood workers, gardeners, installers, demolition crews, etc, etc.

If we want good teachers with high pay, we should require that all teachers have graduate degrees. Graduate degrees from competitive grad school environments with highly competitive admissions. We should also pitch tenure out the window.

I agree with your last paragraph only. Nardelli is surrounded by high priced well educated talent to give him daily guidance. At his level you have to be one crappy CEO to screw up a company. Half of them don't have a clue how things get done in their company's. In no way whatsoever are they worth what they get paid. Corporate executive level compensation is just as disconnected from any real market value as is the price of oil and health care as a result of middlemen traders and insurers.

[Garcia Bronco]

Let's hope there isn't any violence. I am heading down today have have been there over the past few days. An amazing (and very peaceful) scene.

we only riot during floods and after championship sporting events.

[ghwk]

lol...talent. while I am sure there are good teachers and bad teachers..we're talking about getting a kid to read a book, memorize things, and pass a test.

If that is all you expect out of an education then I can hire you to come mow my lawn

[davidtkd]

Got your Walker as a Nazi sign ready yet?

WTF are you talking about? Walker is no Nazi. Just because I don't agree with him doesn't make him evil. I don't agree with you, does that make you a nazi?

[JJJ]

I agree with your last paragraph only. Nardelli is surrounded by high priced well educated talent to give him daily guidance. At his level you have to be one crappy CEO to screw up a company. Half of them don't have a clue how things get done in their company's. In no way whatsoever are they worth what they get paid. Corporate executive level compensation is just as disconnected from any real market value as is the price of oil and health care as a result of middlemen traders and insurers.

Fully agree.

CEO pay is just as screwed up as the unions. But as long as the shareholders tolerate it what can you do? I really struggle to find a solution that works to curb these excesses.

[davidtkd]

Fully agree.

CEO pay is just as screwed up as the unions. But as long as the shareholders tolerate it what can you do? I really struggle to find a solution that works to curb these excesses.

Wait, I do agree with you on this one. :thumbs:

[Garcia Bronco]

If that is all you expect out of an education then I can hire you to come mow my lawn

Bull****..you can mow mine and here's why: I want my kids to learn math, to write, and to read. That's what I am paying for. I'll teach them the rest. I'll teach them to be honorable and to be good citizens.

[JJJ]

WTF are you talking about? Walker is no Nazi. Just because I don't agree with him doesn't make him evil. I don't agree with you, does that make you a nazi?

Just referring to the signs I have been seeing on the TV. The ones the lefties on this board always accuse the Tea Party of carrying as proof of their militancy. Now when they appear at these rallies, not a peep.

Have fun, be safe. Protest hard but watch your voice. You have to work on Monday.

Hope someone is cooking up some beer brats down there. Delicious.

[Garcia Bronco]

Which is actually a s@@t load easier than being a teacher

right

[ghwk]

WTF are you talking about? Walker is no Nazi. Just because I don't agree with him doesn't make him evil. I don't agree with you, does that make you a nazi?

Actually JJJ is a Nazi, he just is more devious about it since it comes under the wrappings of Christian conservative. Life is easy when you are never concerned about consequences and outcomes that you find distasteful.

[davidtkd]

Bull****..you can mow mine and here's why: I want my kids to learn math, to write, and to read. That's what I am paying for. I'll teach them the rest. I'll teach them to be honorable and to be good citizens.

Agreed, but you would be in the minority I fear.

[davidtkd]

Just referring to the signs I have been seeing on the TV. The ones the lefties on this board always accuse the Tea Party of carrying as proof of their militancy. Now when they appear at these rallies, not a peep.

Have fun, be safe. Protest hard but watch your voice. You have to work on Monday.

Hope someone is cooking up some beer brats down there. Delicious.

State Street Brats! Pure awesome!

I haven't seen any of those signs. I've seen A TON. Some I don't agree, (haven't seen any hitler signs that you may have), some just hilarious such as "Screw us, and we will multiply"

oh, and just for the record, neither the faculty nor the academic staff (me) are members of the union.

[ghwk]

Bull****..you can mow mine and here's why: I want my kids to learn math, to write, and to read. That's what I am paying for. I'll teach them the rest. I'll teach them to be honorable and to be good citizens.

Funny in the earlier post all you required of an education was to pass a test. My lawn is waiting.

[Garcia Bronco]

Funny in the earlier post all you required of an education was to pass a test. My lawn is waiting.
Yes. Pass a test. On the material that was just presented.

I will. Just as soon as we Unionize. Then you'll have wished you mowed that lawn yourself.

[Garcia Bronco]

Agreed, but you would be in the minority I fear.

As a teacher you, nor the school, nor the government should take ownership of that role. It's not your work.

[davidtkd]

As a teacher you, nor the school, nor the government should take ownership of that role. It's not your work.

you are correct that I should not take ownership in it, but I do take pride in it. At the rally, a very conservative student of mine took out a sharpie and jotted something down on the back of her sign and then held it over my head. It read "this teacher has changed my life". I have never been so humbled or so proud to be a teacher. So when I see a student come through my office doors that is troubled, I do take ownership of that.

[mhgaffney]

Teachers earn their wages -- which is more than you can say for the Wall Street bastards who melted down our economy.

Where's the anger at them?

The problem is on Wall Street -- not Main Street.

Again -- this Wisconsin tea party initiative stinks of control from above. It's reminiscent of Reagan's move to destroy the air traffic controllers' union.

Another power play by the same people who gave us shock and awe in Iraq.

The same people who are benefiting from the immensely wealthy drug trade out of Afghanistan. The laundering of huge amounts of drug money kept the big banks from going under in 2008.

They need the war to keep the drug $$$ flowing.

That's how evil it is -- and you clowns don't get it.

[W*GS]

I'll admit I don't get gaff-o - blame it all on High Finance, which we all know is controlled by Jews...

Get rid of all the -steins and -bergs, and Utopia will arrive.

Right, gaff-o?

[baja]

I'll admit I don't get gaff-o - blame it all on High Finance, which we all know is controlled by Jews...

Get rid of all the -steins and -bergs, and Utopia will arrive.

Right, gaff-o?

Isn't Wags a jew name?

[Garcia Bronco]

I'll admit I don't get gaff-o - blame it all on High Finance, which we all know is controlled by Jews...

Get rid of all the -steins and -bergs, and Utopia will arrive.

Right, gaff-o?

it is his retardo baby boomer generation. They are capable of being the most delusional dumbasses of the modern era.

[orinjkrush]

Bob Nardelli and others like him have so much more responsibility than teachers that its not even a comparable position.

Nardelli is literally responsible for the livelyhood of 364,000 people in the United States, and for bringing products to millions of people, including thousands of construction workers, carpenters, wood workers, gardeners, installers, demolition crews, etc, etc.

If we want good teachers with high pay, we should require that all teachers have graduate degrees. Graduate degrees from competitive grad school environments with highly competitive admissions. We should also pitch tenure out the window.

i may be wrong, but i think there is very LITTLE correlation between who sits in the CEOs spot and corporate performance. so far its just the myth of the heroic sheriff.

[Boomhauer]

SAT/ACT rankings in states that DO NOT have collective bargaining. Wisconsin is #2.
...for those who think we are crappy teachers here in WI. oh, and we are NOT asking for more money. As I told Garcia earlier, I am more than happy to pay more into my benefits.

SAT/ACT rank is an irrelevent stat because students test independantly for them. A better guage of teaching quality is HS graduation rate, but even this offers little insight as median income, ethnicity, employment rate and other sociologic factors play a much larger role than teacher pay or union strength. Nationwide, HS graduation runs about 80-90% state by state where Wisconsin is tied for 15th and Colorado is 17th.
1. Minnesota (91.2%)
2. Wyoming (90.9%)
T3. Alaska & Montana (90.6%)
5. New Hampshire (90.4%)
6. Utah (90.3%)
7. Vermont (90.3%)
8. Iowa (89.7%)
10. Hawaii (89.5%)
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45. Alabama (80.9%)
46. Kentucky (80.4%)
47. Louisiana (80.3%)
48. California (80.2%)
49. Texas (79.1%)
50. Mississippi (78.7%)

Asian/Pacific Islander (91.4%)
White (81.0%)
Am.Indian/Alaskan Native (64.2%)
Hispanic (63.5%)
Black (61.5%)