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epicSocialism4tw
02-15-2011, 02:09 PM
Okay...so last year sucked. It sucked so bad that the team somehow found a way to drive Denver Broncos fans out of the stadium in droves. I havent seen that before personally. It was pathetic. It looked like most of the team quit after the loss to the Jets. I dont know what was going on in the locker room (other than some videotaping), but from the ouside it looked like most of the Broncos were ready to hit the links on some Carribean island. Not that I wouldnt look forward to the same thing. But this is football...serious business. When it cost that dang much to get into the stadium, and even more to have a beer and a carton of garbage nachos, you hope that the players show up. That beating at the hands of Weekend at Bernies' Little Demons was downright embarrassing. Bowlen's lucky he didnt have the EPA out there after that many Broncos players soiled themselves repeatedly on the field over the span of 3 hours. The carbon signature would have bankrupted Bowlen.

But take heart, Broncos fan...there are reasons to hope.

1) New coach smell.
All of the blunders, mismanagement, and mistakes of the McD era can finally begin to be put to bed. McD is replaced by Fox, who if past experience tells us anything, will begin to address the problem spots on defense. Its like getting into that new car and driving it right out of the dealership. You arent thinking about payments yet...you're just taking in the smooth ride. Fox's defenses in Carolina have been consistently the focal point of the team. There's a very real possibility that this will be the case in Denver.

2) The turd will be polished. It might even be traded in for something cooler than a polished turd.
Expect the Broncos to revamp their defense with high draft picks and possibly even a free agent player or two. Please, Elway...bring in Brandon Mebane or Charles Johnson.

3) Doom II
Elvis returns from the grave. Seriously...this is huge. Instant boost to the defense.

3) The Holy Rollout.
Tebow is the kind of guy that Broncos fans will grow to love. His will to win and his heart are unmatched around the league. Up next, his arm and his mind. Tebow encourages belief just because of who he is and how he goes about his business. He instills belief in his teammates and in the fans. He showed alot over his final three games, and he's perfect for a team trying to climb out of a hole.

3) Feet of Clay-dy.
The empire crumbled when the left tackle suffered an injury. Clady went from being impossible to beat to beaten regularly. His injury typically takes a year to heal from, and this next year should be the year that he returns to form.

4) Youth Movement.
Expect some young players to become contributors this season. Walton, Beadles, and Decker are my picks. Cox and Sid'quan could develop as well. If McIceBath could ever stay in the 52, he might be able to do something. Quinn could end up being aweso............gotcha!


4 realz.

I think that the offensive and defensive lines will both be better. How much better is anyones guess. But Dumervil is a significant addition on his own. If you put another stud player on that line, you're getting closer to having (gasp!) a good defense. If the Broncos make those two aspects of the team better and Tebow plays at least like he did last season, the Broncos will win some games.

Jetmeck
02-15-2011, 02:13 PM
Yes we will be better, nowhere to go but up......for real. For the most part the level of competition we play will be less than last year so our record should improve from that alone. See the paper tiger Chefs of last year.

TheReverend
02-15-2011, 02:29 PM
I have concerns that Elvis will never be the same.

bendog
02-15-2011, 02:40 PM
props for the effort, but the team sucks. And D.Thomas is out and so is Royal at least till minicamp ... if there even is any minicamp.

Cmac821
02-15-2011, 02:46 PM
I will not listen to naysayers, the team will improve

Why would some one be so "realistic" and pessimistic about a team you love, where is the fun in that? Makes this site hard with all the negativity

bendog
02-15-2011, 02:53 PM
Well, I think the chances are good we won't have the first or second overall picks. But, I wouldn't say it's impossible.

But Tebow is not going to be a better qb than was orton at least in the beginning. There's less WR depth than last year. Harris has has ONE healthy year in his career. One draft isn't going to fix that front 7. Champ is even money to walk at this pt. The odds of Burkhalter, LenDale or Morony contributing are iffy at best.

cmhargrove
02-15-2011, 03:00 PM
I have concerns that Elvis will never be the same.

A torn pectoral? While certainly a painful injury, he has had a looooooong time to heal, and his game has really been based on foot speed, not upper body power. Sure, it could put his bullrush behind schedule, but his sacks come from fast feet around (and under) the Tackle.

Let's get him some "beast" help on the inside, and he will be golden.

TheReverend
02-15-2011, 03:31 PM
A torn pectoral? While certainly a painful injury, he has had a looooooong time to heal, and his game has really been based on foot speed, not upper body power. Sure, it could put his bullrush behind schedule, but his sacks come from fast feet around (and under) the Tackle.

Let's get him some "beast" help on the inside, and he will be golden.

........his game is based on leverage. And how much do you know about torn pectorals? I'm not aware of anyone that's had one that's ever healed completely. Ask TheDave.

jhns
02-15-2011, 03:48 PM
Elway will turn this thing around. I'm not sure it will happen in a year but he seems to know what he is talking about based on what I have heard so far. Hopefully Fox was the right choice at head coach. We could be back in the playoffs in two years if they do this right. Really we could be there next season if they make smart decisions and have a little luck. This is the age of parity. I'm not expecting that though.

bendog
02-15-2011, 03:52 PM
it took Elway half a season to even have a clue. Tebow's gonna take awhile even if he can master the postion.

Popps
02-15-2011, 04:00 PM
I have concerns that Elvis will never be the same.

All the more reason to draft Bowers. :thumbsup:

TheReverend
02-15-2011, 04:19 PM
All the more reason to draft Bowers. :thumbsup:

Just underwent surgery on his knee (torn miniscus). Not severe enough to derail his career, but severe enough to keep him out of the combine and potentially his pro day and can plummet him to a mid-late round pick

Boobs McGee
02-15-2011, 04:41 PM
Well, I think the chances are good we won't have the first or second overall picks. But, I wouldn't say it's impossible.

But Tebow is not going to be a better qb than was orton at least in the beginning. There's less WR depth than last year. Harris has has ONE healthy year in his career. One draft isn't going to fix that front 7. Champ is even money to walk at this pt. The odds of Burkhalter, LenDale or Morony contributing are iffy at best.

I think (hope) lendale is a beast in short yardage this year. I was really bummed when he went down, because he actually looked like he gave a **** at that point.

He's definitely one I have high hopes for this year...coming back and playing for the home state, second chance, etc etc.

gunns
02-15-2011, 05:19 PM
I will not listen to naysayers, the team will improve

Why would some one be so "realistic" and pessimistic about a team you love, where is the fun in that? Makes this site hard with all the negativity

I have hope at the beginning of every year but it's a cautious optimism anymore. Kept hearing how Shanahan just needs this and that and it will be the year. After 10 years of that you get a little cynical. McD came in and blew everything up so I don't see where we have anywhere to go but up. I just hope there's a season.

gunns
02-15-2011, 05:21 PM
........his game is based on leverage. And how much do you know about torn pectorals? I'm not aware of anyone that's had one that's ever healed completely. Ask TheDave.

Where is he anyway? I love that guy!

Soul-Bronco
02-15-2011, 05:37 PM
Just underwent surgery on his knee (torn miniscus). Not severe enough to derail his career, but severe enough to keep him out of the combine and potentially his pro day and can plummet him to a mid-late round pick

Link?

Cant find this story anywhere

WABronco
02-15-2011, 05:46 PM
Link?

Cant find this story anywhere

Google/news: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/02/14/2063617/bowers-surgery-to-affect-combine.html

IIRC he had surgery right after their bowl game. He's not going to be plummeting down draft boards, however.

And as far as Doom's torn pec...well Lofa Tatupu had that injury a year or two ago and he's ****ing awful now (of course that was one of many injuries he's suffered).

ghwk
02-15-2011, 05:51 PM
Well, I think the chances are good we won't have the first or second overall picks. But, I wouldn't say it's impossible.

But Tebow is not going to be a better qb than was orton at least in the beginning. There's less WR depth than last year. Harris has has ONE healthy year in his career. One draft isn't going to fix that front 7. Champ is even money to walk at this pt. The odds of Burkhalter, LenDale or Morony contributing are iffy at best.

Tebow will never be as good as Elway UNTIL he lines up under guard. Then he's set.

gobroncos313
02-15-2011, 06:54 PM
Well the thing about the way the NFL is set up and the way things are the difference between the best and the worst is still a very thin line. Think about this, we were a very bad team last year. Even though if the ball would have bounced a little differently on about 5-10 plays we probably would have won the division and went to the playoffs.
So as bleak as things may seem, it doesn't take as much to turn things around in the NFL as it seems.

cmhargrove
02-15-2011, 07:22 PM
........his game is based on leverage. And how much do you know about torn pectorals? I'm not aware of anyone that's had one that's ever healed completely. Ask TheDave.

Bertrand Berry recovered from it and said he had no lasting effects.

Here's a link to the denverpost story:
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2010/08/05/former-broncos-de-knows-dumervils-pain-with-torn-muscle/4263/

Once again, I agree with the leverage concept, and a pro DE definitely uses all his muscle groups fighting past the line. I just think that Elvis' major asset is his explosion off the snap, and speed around the corner. The arms and chest are always used for leverage, but I don't think they will hold him back (as long as it doesn't pop again).

Wes Mantooth
02-15-2011, 07:22 PM
Until we can stop Jay Feely, this is a load of crap. Believe it when I see it.

cmhargrove
02-15-2011, 07:25 PM
Until we can stop Jay Feely, this is a load of crap. Believe it when I see it.

Don't forget John Skelton!

Wes Mantooth
02-15-2011, 07:28 PM
Don't forget John Skelton!

Crap. You're right. Because he is a turd, it actually adds to the amazing effort by Feely.

THE KICKER RAN IN A TD! ARE YOU KIDDING?

TheReverend
02-15-2011, 08:29 PM
Bertrand Berry recovered from it and said he had no lasting effects.

Here's a link to the denverpost story:
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2010/08/05/former-broncos-de-knows-dumervils-pain-with-torn-muscle/4263/

Once again, I agree with the leverage concept, and a pro DE definitely uses all his muscle groups fighting past the line. I just think that Elvis' major asset is his explosion off the snap, and speed around the corner. The arms and chest are always used for leverage, but I don't think they will hold him back (as long as it doesn't pop again).

Oh yeah? Berry went from back to back years of 11.5 sacks and 14.5 sacks to never surpassing 6 after the injury.

Also, Elvis uses his arms to lock out a LOT more than Berry did. Watch a highlight reel of him... on almost every sack hes locked out with his left wheeling around the blocker into the QB. I hope it's not the case, but this could very well cut massively into his production.

bombay
02-15-2011, 08:50 PM
This team will suck hard in the immediate future (if there is one). An NFL QB is just one of a long list of needs.

SoCalBronco
02-15-2011, 09:10 PM
I'd like to be optimistic but I'm worried about alot of things.

1. The WR position is suddenly precarious. Arguably our two most talented WR's, Royal and Thomas are out for a LONG time and its unlikely they will truly be 100% even at the end of their projected recovery time. Lloyd had a great season but he's more of a one year wonder in a system than anything else at this point. While we are keeping the same OC, Fox is a conservative coach and he'll want to rein it in more. They probably aren't going to lean on large parts of the McDaniels passing game. They'll be more of a meat and potatoes team, relying on the run and the playaction/bootleg passing game. Gaffney is also largely a system fit. There's alot of questions at this spot.

2. I'm very concerned about the FO and how it operates. It goes without saying that they don't exactly inspire a ton of confidence.

3. I'm very concerned that they're going to take the irrational and gutless (and hypocritical, on Bowlen's part) approach to DJ Williams. There have been alot of between the lines hints that we're going back to the 4-3 and he's an elite 4-3 WLB, with three more years left on his contract and he's still relatively young (28). He's likely to get a 2 game suspension for the recent allegation of a DUI. He's a kid who, like a far more prominent member of the organization, has an alcohol problem, but is otherwise a model citizen and a good influence on young players and a hard worker (See Woodyard's comments on his mentor and Josh's last year). I'm interested to see whether the Broncos are more concerned with PR, or whether they are more concerned with doing the right thing: Providing aggressive amounts of counseling and treatment to the ultimate team player who has loyally done what he's been told for 7 years, even when its been at his own detriment as as player. Dumping him (and his ability as a WLB) to score some cheap PR points would be gutless and would simply reflect continued stupidity that has become our MO as an organization. If the top of the organization had shown more leadership on this issue, maybe these kids would take alcohol abuse more seriously. We'll see if they go the gutless hypocrite route. I'm interested to see that.....it'll tell me alot about whether we're going to continue to descend into greater depths of hell or whether we're going to start to turn it around.

4. I'm very concerned and interested to see what happens on the OL. As an initial matter, I wonder how we are going to approach the running game. They seem to be totally souring on FA Ryan Harris, probably due to injury concerns, but he's an elite talent. If we go back to the ZBS, its probably worth it to bring him back. I think that would be helpful to Kuper and Clady as well. The problem here is that Moreno is not a ZBS back. He's a dancer. I want to see what kind of system they're going to construct to fit the talent they have. Not sure how Beadles and Walton fit in at this point, especially if there is a long lockout which may rob them of precious OTA's that they need as young players.

5. Obviously Dumervil has been mentioned, but I think a DE group of Doom and Ayers will be fine, the issue here is where are the DT's, especially if Fairley is taken by Carolina. You cannot be a good 4-3 team with no good DT's.

6. I actually have some confidence in John Fox. He's a good solid coach, who's defensive minded. Given that this job is no longer all that desireable (3 coaches declined requests to be interviewed, and the team iand its FO structure is kind of a mess), he was about as good as one could reasonably expect. There are some questions about the staff, though. I like the OL hire, but I'm not sure it was a good idea to move Gase from the WR's simply because they wanted to bring in a coach's buddy (Tolbert) to coach that group. Gase has shown he is a very good WR's coach. Nunnelly was kept but how much does he know about the 4-3?

7. Safeties and MLB, SLB- These are some pretty big holes. How are they going to be filled? What about TE's? You need a good TE as a safety valve for Tebow. I'm not concerned about Tebow himself. I know he will do whatever it takes to get better, whether he's allowed to come to the facility or whether he's locked out. He'll watch film on his own, he'll work out like a MOFO on his own. He's not a concern.

broncogary
02-16-2011, 04:53 AM
Where is he anyway? I love that guy!

He's out with a torn pec.

cmhargrove
02-16-2011, 06:16 AM
Oh yeah? Berry went from back to back years of 11.5 sacks and 14.5 sacks to never surpassing 6 after the injury.

Also, Elvis uses his arms to lock out a LOT more than Berry did. Watch a highlight reel of him... on almost every sack hes locked out with his left wheeling around the blocker into the QB. I hope it's not the case, but this could very well cut massively into his production.

I guess we'll see when we see...

The point is, the player (Berry) said it didn't influence his performance. Maybe he was just getting old, but what do I know?

Chris
02-16-2011, 06:34 AM
........his game is based on leverage. And how much do you know about torn pectorals? I'm not aware of anyone that's had one that's ever healed completely. Ask TheDave.

Michael Strahan had one in 2004.

TheReverend
02-16-2011, 07:36 AM
Michael Strahan had one in 2004.

That examples inspires a lot MORE confidence than Berry, but I'm still concerned. Hopeful, but concerned.