We don't need no learnin' here son

[Mile High Shack]

So House Republicans are against Science and Education

good to know

http://chronicle.com/article/House-Republicans-Spending/126356/

[Spider]

who needs learnin when you got god to lead u through life ? ;D ........ I mean look at Drama Lama , it has worked for him just ask him

[cutthemdown]

We can bring stuff back when the economy picks up. Right now we have to make tough choices. Soon the liberals will be giving us the Washington Monument strategy.

[cutthemdown]

God will lead you through life but that doesn't mean college not a good idea. Plus all this says is maybe people will have to work harder to pay for college. Then when economy picks up the govt can spend more on education.

[cutthemdown]

If someone wants it bad enough they will find a place to go to college and figure out how to pay for it.

[Mile High Shack]

again, they have an edit button, you can post further thoughts without spamming

so if tough choices are to be made, why not cut the military budget instead of education (which is by FAR more important)

and your solution is "God will lead them"

wow, "I'll pray for you son" as you stare at a poor beggar on the street when you have a fat wad of cash in your pocket.

WWJD indeed

[Spider]

again, they have an edit button, you can post further thoughts without spamming

so if tough choices are to be made, why not cut the military budget instead of education (which is by FAR more important)

and your solution is "God will lead them"

wow, "I'll pray for you son" as you stare at a poor beggar on the street when you have a fat wad of cash in your pocket.

WWJD indeed^5

[Rigs11]

gotta love the christians and "their fend for yourself" philosophy

[W*GS]

God will lead you through life [...]

That's one of the biggest loads of horse**** I've ever read.

Get a ****ing clue, idiot.

[elsid13]

"The bill includes no earmarks—the noncompetitive grants that members of Congress direct to favored constituents, including universities (http://chronicle.com/article/Banning-Congressional-Earmarks/125685/)—and would recall all earmarked funds that were awarded in stopgap spending measures for the current fiscal year."

I hate to break it to the Representatives, but the CR had no earmarks in it. That would have been a new start and those aren't allowed in CR. 1% of the budget and they make it sound like it the biggest problem in the world. Maybe they should instead focus on tax loopholes and solve that problem first.

[Fedaykin]

We can bring stuff back when the economy picks up. Right now we have to make tough choices. Soon the liberals will be giving us the Washington Monument strategy.

You don't cut investment in the future -- it's suicide.

[cutthemdown]

I was only responding to Spider saying you got god to lead you through life, you dont need learning. I responded to say that although Christians do believe god will guide you through life, that doesn't mean they say you don't need an education. Once again the liberals on the board are using a crappy argument to try and slam religion.

Besides this is about how much help the federal govt can give to help people pay for college. All i said is the economy is down right now we are going to have to cut things.

[cutthemdown]

You don't cut investment in the future -- it's suicide.

Who says people can't go to school? Just work your way through like everyone in my family did. My brother put himself through law school without a pell grant. It's not like they are closing the schools.

[W*GS]

I was only responding to Spider saying you got god to lead you through life, you dont need learning. I responded to say that although Christians do believe god will guide you through life, that doesn't mean they say you don't need an education. Once again the liberals on the board are using a crappy argument to try and slam religion.

Don't blame me for your asinine and clumsy commentary. Backpedaling any faster will get you into the Guinness Book of World Records.

Besides this is about how much help the federal govt can give to help people pay for college. All i said is the economy is down right now we are going to have to cut things.

Yes, and education isn't the place to cut.

If this was your family budget, would you tell your wife to drop the candy bar per month habit, or would you cut your $500/month online porno problem?

[W*GS]

Who says people can't go to school? Just work your way through like everyone in my family did. My brother put himself through law school without a pell grant. It's not like they are closing the schools.

Gutting Pell Grants won't change a damned thing.

[cutthemdown]

Don't blame me for your asinine and clumsy commentary. Backpedaling any faster will get you into the Guinness Book of World Records.



Yes, and education isn't the place to cut.

If this was your family budget, would you tell your wife to drop the candy bar per month habit, or would you cut your $500/month online porno problem?

whose backpeddling. Spider made a joke saying GOD WILL LEAD YOU YOU DONT NEED LEARNING. I responded he will lead you, but education still important. What in that don't you understand? You can try and spin it that I said you don't need a pell grant, god will lead you, whatever your an ass.

Funny because my chick is skinny and I only surf free porn.

[cutthemdown]

Gutting Pell Grants won't change a damned thing.

Exactly people will still go to college and get an education. Just a Washington Monument hoax. Oh the big bad repubs want to keep minorities and poor people from getting an education. Its BS they can save and pay for there own school. They are what 5000 bucks? over 60% has to get paid back because they drop out? Pell Grants not even effective just more govt waste.

[W*GS]

whose backpeddling. Spider made a joke saying GOD WILL LEAD YOU YOU DONT NEED LEARNING. I responded he will lead you, but education still important. What in that don't you understand? You can try and spin it that I said you don't need a pell grant, god will lead you, whatever your an ass.

God won't lead you ****ing anywhere, asshole.

You'd cut off your dick to spite your face.

Funny because my chick is skinny and I only surf free porn.

You got bony fingers.

[W*GS]

Exactly people will still go to college and get an education. Just a Washington Monument hoax. Oh the big bad repubs want to keep minorities and poor people from getting an education. Its BS they can save and pay for there own school. They are what 5000 bucks? over 60% has to get paid back because they drop out? Pell Grants not even effective just more govt waste.

I have to spell it out for you - cutting Pell Grants won't make any difference in the budget.

Pell Grants are an investment in the future. You don't get it, because you're not educated enough.

Cutting the military and getting entitlement spending under control will make all the difference.

[Play2win]

Education some people get it, and some people just don't... (multiple levels... :) )

As I have been saying for years, its the best investment a nation can make for itself.

It is truly in its long-term best interest.

[cutthemdown]

People can still go to school? whose closing schools? This only says you can't get a freebie loan from the govt because they don't have the money.

I'm sure a future budget can restore it at some point.

This is always what happens when govt makes tough choices. I don't know anyone who went to college on Pell Grants. Who gets these things anyways? Most people have to get loans and pay them back when you graduate.

[Fedaykin]

Any budget cut proposal that doesn't include provisions for reducing the cost of our #1 expense, military, and our #2 expense, health care, is nothing more than political posturing.

It's like looking at your personal budget and proposing that stopping a once a month dinner+movie will make a difference when you're buying a new sports car every 6 months.

[cutthemdown]

I have to spell it out for you - cutting Pell Grants won't make any difference in the budget.

Pell Grants are an investment in the future. You don't get it, because you're not educated enough.

Cutting the military and getting entitlement spending under control will make all the difference.

Most of the military budget is maintaining the troops, paying them, giving them healthcare, if you cut military what are all the troops without jobs going to do? Also I would rather people go into military to pay for school then get a pell grant wouldn't you? Service for school, that makes sense.

What do you want to cut in the military specifically? From what I understand the biggest saving are in cutting troop levels. Is that smart when there are no jobs for them back home?

[cutthemdown]

Some of the big ticket stuff right now is the joint strike fighter, this other plane that is to hunt subs, the aegis cruisers that are geared for missile defense, I mean we need to work on stuff like that right? With CHina building advanced subs and missiles.

I think the solution is for Obama to end the war in Afghanistan and save that money. Then maybe slowly let troop levels dip some. But most of the big ticket military projects seem needed. What big ticket weapons do you all think we can do without?

[Fedaykin]

Most of the military budget is maintaining the troops, paying them, giving them healthcare, if you cut military what are all the troops without jobs going to do? Also I would rather people go into military to pay for school then get a pell grant wouldn't you? Service for school, that makes sense.

What do you want to cut in the military specifically? From what I understand the biggest saving are in cutting troop levels. Is that smart when there are no jobs for them back home?

Cutting Pell grants just dumps even more people into the worst performing job market.

[ant1999e]

How the Obama budget might fall on your shoulders

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_budget_individual_impact

WASHINGTON – Crumbling inner-city sidewalks, cleaner air, dirtier drinking water, more debt for some college students and higher heating costs for low-income families could be part of the legacy of President Barack Obama's proposed budget. One way or another, his effort to save money in hundreds of programs might touch every American.
No rewrite of the family budget is called for at this point. Obama's plan is little more than a wish list, certain to be reshaped by Congress if it even goes anywhere. (Last year's wish list didn't.)
But it shows where Obama wants to go, how he proposes to get there and, to some extent, what spending cuts and increases he is willing to fight for in a divided Congress where Republicans want to cut far more.
So if you are an older worker looking for the government's help training for a new job, for example, you might get a little nervous. Obama wants to halve a program that helps seniors with career or community service training.
Obama's budget would squeeze the poor on several fronts, the rich on one big front — their taxes — and others in scattered ways.
People living in or needing public housing will take a hit if he gets his way. Obama wants to spend much less to maintain public housing and to build new homes for the elderly and disabled. He also wants to cut by half the grants that provide poorer families with substantial help paying their energy bills.
And low-income students may feel a pinch with the president's plan to eliminate Pell grants for summer school. The savings would be used to keep the maximum Pell grant for the regular academic year uncut.
When a Democratic president and Republican lawmakers want to cut the same program, it's a safe bet that program is at risk. So it is with public housing, some environmental programs and certain other areas of spending.
Tax increases, though, are a much iffier proposition. In his budget, Obama proposes once more to raise taxes on the rich, not just increasing their rates but limiting their charitable, mortgage-interest and state-tax deductions. He gave up trying to increase taxes on the wealthy in the last round of wrangling but is trying again.
Government is so complex and sprawling that multiple spending programs are often aimed at the same problem, or very similar ones, and it can be a fool's game trying to see how it will all shake out. Sometimes, it depends where you live.
For example, Obama is seeking big cuts in grants that help states upgrade sewage treatment and drinking water systems. As well, he wants to do away with a clean-diesel program that his administration says removed tons of pollution and made people healthier. On the other hand, he wants to spend hundreds of millions more to help states meet sweeping air pollution regulations.
After expanding other programs that help students with their college debt, Obama wants to achieve some savings for the government from the same pot. He is proposing to reduce loan subsidies for graduate and professional students, exposing some of them to interest on their college loans while they are still in school.
In other ways, too, the government would give with one hand and take with the other.
Obama proposes a whopping 68 percent increase in Transportation Department spending, with much of the money geared to fixing highways and putting more people in high-speed trains.
Yet the vision of smoother blacktop appears not to extend to all roads. Obama is proposing cuts in community development grants that hard-pressed mayors use for streets, sidewalks, water and sewers in poor neighborhoods.
Many of the changes he wants to make would play out over time. His budget stuffs in billions to improve teaching in the years ahead and specifically to recruit 100,000 math and science teachers over a decade, as well as to bring high-speed wireless to more of rural America. Health research is a big priority, with dividends to come down the road.
Much closer to the here and now is the proposed halving of the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, back to its level of 2008. The program cut energy costs for more than 8 million families last year, and an estimated 3.2 million families could lose the subsidies.
"This is a very hard cut," said Jack Lew, Obama's budget director, who helped to create the program in the late 1970s. "This is a cut that has real impact."

[W*GS]

Most of the military budget is maintaining the troops, paying them, giving them healthcare, if you cut military what are all the troops without jobs going to do?

"If someone wants it bad enough they will find a place to go to college and figure out how to pay for it."

If that's good enough for civvies, it's good enough for GIs.

What do you want to cut in the military specifically?

For one thing, cut troop levels and close bases, particularly overseas. We can't afford the military we already have.

From what I understand the biggest saving are in cutting troop levels. Is that smart when there are no jobs for them back home?

How does keeping military spending as high as it is create jobs for anyone but defense contractors?

[W*GS]

How the Obama budget might fall on your shoulders

What would call the Republican response, which is to whack the least-responsible-for-the-deficit parts of the budget even more?

[Spider]

I was only responding to Spider saying you got god to lead you through life, you dont need learning. I responded to say that although Christians do believe god will guide you through life, that doesn't mean they say you don't need an education. Once again the liberals on the board are using a crappy argument to try and slam religion.



Yeah I know I am going to hell ( although u didnt mention Christians and I didnt mention religion just god , the 2 are separate) but the first thing I am doin is when I get there , I am hooking Hitler and Jeffery Dahlmer into a anything goes cage match , and your not invited .... Ha!

[Spider]

How the Obama budget might fall on your shoulders

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_budget_individual_impact

WASHINGTON – Crumbling inner-city sidewalks, cleaner air, dirtier drinking water, more debt for some college students and higher heating costs for low-income families could be part of the legacy of President Barack Obama's proposed budget. One way or another, his effort to save money in hundreds of programs might touch every American.
No rewrite of the family budget is called for at this point. Obama's plan is little more than a wish list, certain to be reshaped by Congress if it even goes anywhere. (Last year's wish list didn't.)
But it shows where Obama wants to go, how he proposes to get there and, to some extent, what spending cuts and increases he is willing to fight for in a divided Congress where Republicans want to cut far more.
So if you are an older worker looking for the government's help training for a new job, for example, you might get a little nervous. Obama wants to halve a program that helps seniors with career or community service training.
Obama's budget would squeeze the poor on several fronts, the rich on one big front — their taxes — and others in scattered ways.
People living in or needing public housing will take a hit if he gets his way. Obama wants to spend much less to maintain public housing and to build new homes for the elderly and disabled. He also wants to cut by half the grants that provide poorer families with substantial help paying their energy bills.
And low-income students may feel a pinch with the president's plan to eliminate Pell grants for summer school. The savings would be used to keep the maximum Pell grant for the regular academic year uncut.
When a Democratic president and Republican lawmakers want to cut the same program, it's a safe bet that program is at risk. So it is with public housing, some environmental programs and certain other areas of spending.
Tax increases, though, are a much iffier proposition. In his budget, Obama proposes once more to raise taxes on the rich, not just increasing their rates but limiting their charitable, mortgage-interest and state-tax deductions. He gave up trying to increase taxes on the wealthy in the last round of wrangling but is trying again.
Government is so complex and sprawling that multiple spending programs are often aimed at the same problem, or very similar ones, and it can be a fool's game trying to see how it will all shake out. Sometimes, it depends where you live.
For example, Obama is seeking big cuts in grants that help states upgrade sewage treatment and drinking water systems. As well, he wants to do away with a clean-diesel program that his administration says removed tons of pollution and made people healthier. On the other hand, he wants to spend hundreds of millions more to help states meet sweeping air pollution regulations.
After expanding other programs that help students with their college debt, Obama wants to achieve some savings for the government from the same pot. He is proposing to reduce loan subsidies for graduate and professional students, exposing some of them to interest on their college loans while they are still in school.
In other ways, too, the government would give with one hand and take with the other.
Obama proposes a whopping 68 percent increase in Transportation Department spending, with much of the money geared to fixing highways and putting more people in high-speed trains.
Yet the vision of smoother blacktop appears not to extend to all roads. Obama is proposing cuts in community development grants that hard-pressed mayors use for streets, sidewalks, water and sewers in poor neighborhoods.
Many of the changes he wants to make would play out over time. His budget stuffs in billions to improve teaching in the years ahead and specifically to recruit 100,000 math and science teachers over a decade, as well as to bring high-speed wireless to more of rural America. Health research is a big priority, with dividends to come down the road.
Much closer to the here and now is the proposed halving of the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, back to its level of 2008. The program cut energy costs for more than 8 million families last year, and an estimated 3.2 million families could lose the subsidies.
"This is a very hard cut," said Jack Lew, Obama's budget director, who helped to create the program in the late 1970s. "This is a cut that has real impact."
Idiot , you didnt check with your leader Drama Lama before posting this , it totally destroys the whole Obama is a socialist crap he has been peddling, ever since Obama took office

[ant1999e]

Idiot , you didnt check with your leader Drama Lama before posting this , it totally destroys the whole Obama is a socialist crap he has been peddling, ever since Obama took office

Lick my balls you inbred dip****. Go ahead and deflect from the real topic. Avoidance is your strong point.

[sirhcyennek81]

1.6 trillion dollar deficit...some things have to go. That includes military spending. Its going to suck, but we need to do it.


:Broncos:

[Spider]

Lick my balls you inbred dip****. Go ahead and deflect from the real topic. Avoidance is your strong point.

oh dont get all butt hurt , just trying to help keep you in the good graces of your leader , and this is the thanks I get ? ......... friggin ingrate ..... and there was no avoidance dumbass , just the opposite , put your big boy pants on and thinking cap , reread my post moron , if anything I validated your post you idiot

[Spider]

1.6 trillion dollar deficit...some things have to go. That includes military spending. Its going to suck, but we need to do it.


:Broncos:

but Egypt is eerily similar to Iran , according to you , so we cant cut the military :wiggle:

[sirhcyennek81]

but Egypt is eerily similar to Iran , according to you , so we cant cut the military :wiggle:


It is similar. And it could still end up the same way. Simply because you think it is ridiculous does not mean it lacks merit or possibility.

Three straight years of trillion dollar deficits. Everything is on the table for cuts.

:Broncos:

[ant1999e]

oh dont get all butt hurt , just trying to help keep you in the good graces of your leader , and this is the thanks I get ? ......... friggin ingrate ..... and there was no avoidance dumbass , just the opposite , put your big boy pants on and thinking cap , reread my post moron , if anything I validated your post you idiot

So, when someone makes a point that you agree with you usually call them an idiot? Go back to the trailerpark.

[Spider]

It is similar. And it could still end up the same way. Simply because you think it is ridiculous does not mean it lacks merit or possibility.

Three straight years of trillion dollar deficits. Everything is on the table for cuts.

:Broncos:

LOL keep repeating that goof http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=96984

[Spider]

So, when someone makes a point that you agree with you usually call them an idiot? Go back to the trailerpark.

LOL well at least you finally picked up on the no avoidance part , now the reason I called you an Idiot , u idiot wasnt the piece , it was u going against your leader the drama lama , try and go back and reread once again ......... you dope

[ant1999e]

LOL well at least you finally picked up on the no avoidance part , now the reason I called you an Idiot , u idiot wasnt the piece , it was u going against your leader the drama lama , try and go back and reread once again ......... you dope

How old are you really? Llama isn't my leader anymore than LABF is yours.

[Spider]

How old are you really? Llama isn't my leader anymore than LABF is yours.

it is obvious I have hurt your feelings , need a hug or something ?

[ant1999e]

it is obvious I have hurt your feelings , need a hug or something ?

Mature conversation wouldn't hurt every once in a while.

[Spider]

Mature conversation wouldn't hurt every once in a while.

LOL come on seriously ? look how bad you screwed up the simple post I put up .......u missed on every level , now you want a mature convo ? ...... up your comprehension skills .......

[ant1999e]

LOL come on seriously ? look how bad you screwed up the simple post I put up .......u missed on every level , now you want a mature convo ? ...... up your comprehension skills .......

Outside the trailerpark we don't call each other idiot in mature conversation. It's all good. I know it isn't your fault. :mullet1:

[Spider]

Outside the trailerpark we don't call each other idiot in mature conversation. It's all good. I know it isn't your fault. :mullet1:

LOL nice try , yet you failed again , but I learned a long time ago , dont waste time or energy on bedwetters , much better off insulting them and movin on .....And if you so called upper classed people called each other a moron instead of kissing each others ass all day , perhaps people would know they was idiots and take 5 to 10 minutes a day to educate themselfs .......... hmmmmm

[ant1999e]

LOL nice try , yet you failed again , but I learned a long time ago , dont waste time or energy on bedwetters , much better off insulting them and movin on .....And if you so called upper classed people called each other a moron instead of kissing each others ass all day , perhaps people would know they was idiots and take 5 to 10 minutes a day to educate themselfs .......... hmmmmm

Hilarious!

[JJJ]

Any budget cut proposal that doesn't include provisions for reducing the cost of our #1 expense, military, and our #2 expense, health care, is nothing more than political posturing.

It's like looking at your personal budget and proposing that stopping a once a month dinner+movie will make a difference when you're buying a new sports car every 6 months.

I fully agree.

Except that these facts are not correct. Number one cost is health care, number two is social security, and defense is third.

The first two are growing massively over the next several years, the third, not so much. The first two will dwarf the third.

It is expected that the first two alone that presently use up 8% of our GDP will account 18% of GDP by 2050. Currently we spend 18% of GDP on our entire budget.

What have we done about healthcare costs? Implement Obamacare. Yeah, that will bring the costs down right? Only fools have bought into that premise.

Medicare and Medicaid? Still waiting on all those fraud savings to start showing up.

The first guy man enough, or the first woman woman enough, on either side of the aisle that stands up and goes after modifying midterm social security benefits will get my vote.

[sirhcyennek81]

LOL keep repeating that goof http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=96984


We'll see. You dont really know what's going on over there any more than I do.


:Broncos:

[Odysseus]

We can bring stuff back when the economy picks up. Right now we have to make tough choices. Soon the liberals will be giving us the Washington Monument strategy.

I think we should sell our children outright and take the profits and to balance Social Security. Hell. Maybe we should make them suicide bombers just to lower our population numbers. I think we should empty the prison in Afghanistan and Iraq. They are not our problem. This worked in the past. We don't have the resources for genocide. Let's just dump huge sectors of our unwanted population on others and breed our enemies out of existance.

Screw initiatives where we create community, interaction, or dialog. How are we going to manipulate people if they are openly talking? We rob the true leaders of our nation of their ability to govern if we have people. How would we control whatever inventions or creations come from this? If I am not getting any money in my pockets then this is a waste of dollars.

---Honestly: I wish that business education were taught at the lowest levels of our education paradigm because we are creating a nation of idiots unable to think, speak, listen, or learn. I say business education because it would teach liberals to stop talking about goodness without attaching a cost and it would teach conservatives how to monetize doing the right thing instead of this rampant selfishness and greed. We have become our own worst enemy. No other country in the world could survive some of the problems we create for ourselves.

[Odysseus]

I fully agree.

Except that these facts are not correct. Number one cost is health care, number two is social security, and defense is third.

The first two are growing massively over the next several years, the third, not so much. The first two will dwarf the third.

It is expected that the first two alone that presently use up 8% of our GDP will account 18% of GDP by 2050. Currently we spend 18% of GDP on our entire budget.

What have we done about healthcare costs? Implement Obamacare. Yeah, that will bring the costs down right? Only fools have bought into that premise.

Medicare and Medicaid? Still waiting on all those fraud savings to start showing up.

The first guy man enough, or the first woman woman enough, on either side of the aisle that stands up and goes after modifying midterm social security benefits will get my vote.

We need better solutions and soon.

[cutthemdown]

People forget though that providing for defense is a role given specifically to the federal govt. I'm not saying we shouldn't cut defense, only that most of the programs we have seem needed. Things like anti submarine planes and missile defense.

If we do cut troops and bases we have to make sure we don't lose a foothold in any strategic areas. I do think most of the European stuff could be closed. Germany, Italy, countries like that don't seem to be places we need troops. No one is invading Germany IMO anytime soon. But the mideast, Kuwait, some of those ex soviet republics that will have us, etc etc seem to important to give up.

But if the military said we could lose some troops and still be a potent force I would probably go along with it. I'm not pretending to be some military expert. Obviously there is probably waste there also and fat we could trim.

I will always be for a strong national defense though. I think that is the most important role of the feds other then trying to foster a competitive, fair marketplace.

Things like Pell Grants are icing on the cake and should be first to go when things get tough.