View Full Version : Maher Doesnt Believe that Obama is a Christian
epicSocialism4tw
02-12-2011, 11:31 PM
The liberal nutzos aren't any different than conservative nutzos.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/02/12/maher_questions_obamas_christianity_i_just_dont_be lieve_it.html
Requiem
02-13-2011, 12:22 AM
Secular humanism works for me. Could care less.
cutthemdown
02-13-2011, 01:15 AM
Well I would care in the sense it proves he would fake his ideals and what he really believes in. But I mean the guy goes to church, says he is a Christian, that is enough for me. It's not for us to judge people when it come to that.
Requiem
02-13-2011, 01:23 AM
If I labled myself it'd be seulor humost oo
Obama admits that he was raised by an atheist. When working around the community in Chicago he noted that he did not go to any church. He went largely because of political suggestions. I honestly don't think he really understood the "God damn America" stuff because he probably had no concept of what church was even supposed to be like (and I still don't get how he politically survived that nuclear bomb). He looks awkward during religious ceremony of different sorts. I simply think he's not religious. Maybe he is a Christian, maybe not, but he does not come across as a remotely religious person in the traditional, or usual, sense.
mhgaffney
02-13-2011, 04:30 AM
Another epic waste of time.
Who cares what Maher thinks? Who cares what epic thinks?
TailgateNut
02-13-2011, 05:04 AM
Another epic waste of time.
Who cares what Maher thinks? Who cares what epic thinks?
^5
and who the **** cares if he's christian or not. It would be a plus if he didn't believe in fairy tales.
ant1999e
02-13-2011, 10:23 AM
^5
and who the **** cares if he's christian or not. It would be a plus if he didn't believe in fairy tales.
But he believes in global warming so there goes that.
orinjkrush
02-13-2011, 10:34 AM
he is certainly not what he has portrayed himself to be. on many levels. but that's politics for you. at least he's not into men's rooms or interns. (that we know of.)
epicSocialism4tw
02-13-2011, 12:06 PM
Churches like Jeremiah Wright's church are usually networking places for people with community or political aspirations. I dont see Wright as a spiritual man at all. But Obama isnt some subordinate to Wright. He could very well be genuine in his beliefs. His reverse Robin Hoodsims like Obamacare (rob from the poor to give to the rich) arent Christian principles, they're his political philosophies. While they may stand in odds with Christian principles sometimes, I wouldnt expect Obama to be a highly educated Christian...he's a politician and his life has been developed along those lines. It takes a highly educated theologian to formulate a crystal clear, educated set of values and principles. Obama is a lawyer, not a theologian. He's a Christian liberal lawyer.
epicSocialism4tw
02-13-2011, 12:08 PM
^5
and who the **** cares if he's christian or not. It would be a plus if he didn't believe in fairy tales.
TailgateNut/Gaffney/LABF
Three sides of the same turd.
TonyR
02-13-2011, 01:38 PM
It takes a highly educated theologian to formulate a crystal clear, educated set of values and principles.
So only "highly educated theologians" have a "clear, educated set of values and principles"? That's really what you think? Certainly one can benefit greatly from religious knowledge but at the same time I think people can have strong values and principles without such knowledge. In other words, you can be a "good person" but not be religious or religiously educated. And to think otherwise is both arrogant and ignorant. But of course that's just what you are, so what did I expect?!?
epicSocialism4tw
02-13-2011, 01:48 PM
So only "highly educated theologians" have a "clear, educated set of values and principles"? That's really what you think? Certainly one can benefit greatly from religious knowledge but at the same time I think people can have strong values and principles without such knowledge. In other words, you can be a "good person" but not be religious or religiously educated. And to think otherwise is both arrogant and ignorant. But of course that's just what you are, so what did I expect?!?
Use context clues, rabbit ears. I was talking about Wright, Obama, and Christianity.
You really should think more.
Obushma
02-13-2011, 01:52 PM
I don't think he's a Christian either, but does it really matter? Bush wasn't a Christian, hell, half the Christians in this country aren't Christians. To be Christian is to be Christ like as far as i'm concerned, good luck finding those people.
TonyR
02-13-2011, 01:53 PM
Use context clues, rabbit ears. I was talking about Wright, Obama, and Christianity.
You really should think more.
So the words below aren't yours? Were you misquoted? Did you misspeak? Or did you just confuse yourself? It's very clear what you said, I'm asking you if you really meant it.
It takes a highly educated theologian to formulate a crystal clear, educated set of values and principles.
epicSocialism4tw
02-13-2011, 01:55 PM
I don't think he's a Christian either, but does it really matter? Bush wasn't a Christian, hell, half the Christians in this country aren't Christians. To be Christian is to be Christ like as far as i'm concerned, good luck finding those people.
Its a continuum, and I wont question either Obama or Bush's commitment to their personal faith. That's between them and God.
Being fully Christlike is literally impossible. However...growing in Christ is entirely possible.
epicSocialism4tw
02-13-2011, 01:56 PM
So the words below aren't yours? Were you misquoted? Did you misspeak? Or did you just confuse yourself? It's very clear what you said, I'm asking you if you really meant it.
Context clues. Why would I be referring to another philosophy when its 100% clear that I was talking about Christianity?
Obushma
02-13-2011, 01:58 PM
Being fully Christlike is literally impossible. However...growing in Christ is entirely possible.
That's where I have a problem with you Lama, you actually think Bush was "growing in Christ"? Sorry man, there is no way on God's green earth you can convince me of that. I don't judge him or his faith, i'm just not stupid.
epicSocialism4tw
02-13-2011, 02:01 PM
That's where I have a problem with you Lama, you actually think Bush was "growing in Christ"? Sorry man, there is no way on God's green earth you can convince me of that. I don't judge him or his faith, i'm just not stupid.
You certainly are judging Bush and Obama.
You dont know Bush or Obama personally. I wouldnt feel comfortable judging someone that I knew extremely well in those regards, much less two people that I dont know at all.
Things are usually more complicated than they seem.
DenverBrit
02-13-2011, 02:03 PM
The liberal nutzos aren't any different than conservative nutzos.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/02/12/maher_questions_obamas_christianity_i_just_dont_be lieve_it.html
It's perspective. He probably wouldn't think you a Christian either. ;D
epicSocialism4tw
02-13-2011, 02:05 PM
It's perspective. He probably wouldn't think you a Christian either. ;D
I think that Maher is just smart enough to not know what he's talking about, but not smart enough to leave the debate to those who can handle it.
Obushma
02-13-2011, 02:10 PM
You certainly are judging Bush and Obama.
You dont know Bush or Obama personally. I wouldnt feel comfortable judging someone that I knew extremely well in those regards, much less two people that I dont know at all.
Things are usually more complicated than they seem.
Religion plays a role in politics, that's why both of them are Christian. Do you honestly believe people in the bible belt will vote for Romney or Huntsman?
epicSocialism4tw
02-13-2011, 02:13 PM
Religion plays a role in politics, that's why both of them are Christian. Do you honestly believe people in the bible belt will vote for Romney or Huntsman?
Yes.
And who are you to question any of their faith or their relationships with God?
Obushma
02-13-2011, 02:17 PM
And who are you to question any of their faith or their relationships with God?
I'm not questioning, i'm telling you.
epicSocialism4tw
02-13-2011, 02:18 PM
I'm not questioning, i'm telling you.
..and you dont know jack squat about either Obama or Bush and where they are spiritually.
Hogan11
02-13-2011, 02:20 PM
I think that Maher is just smart enough to not know what he's talking about, but not smart enough to leave the debate to those who can handle it.
I thought you didn't watch Real Time
Obushma
02-13-2011, 02:21 PM
..and you dont know jack squat about either Obama or Bush and where they are spiritually.
I'm not going to argue with you about it Lama. You believe they are good Christians, I do not believe they are...Lets leave it at that
epicSocialism4tw
02-13-2011, 02:28 PM
I'm not going to argue with you about it Lama. You believe they are good Christians, I do not believe they are...Lets leave it at that
I never said I thought that they were "good Christians."
In fact, I believe the opposite. I believe that they are "bad Christians", because that's what every Christian is. A central understanding at the core of Christianity is the belief that men are mired in sin...that men by nature are bad and succumb to evil every day.
When I referred to a "continuum", I was referring to the ever-changing state of where a person is in their spiritual walk. Sometimes a person rises, sometimes a person falls. But with Jesus, you can still be tethered to God in the same way when you rise and when you fall. That's the "good news" of the Gospel. Your actions may cause you to distance yourself from God, but he doesnt distance himself from you. The bible describes God as someone who is always chasing after you, even when you arent doing so well.
Where Bush and Obama are in their personal faith is anyone's guess, and neither me or you are in a position to judge.